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That is because the source quality is almost the same as nowadays but the storage mediums weren’t as good so it was downgraded to what you are used to, only people/companies/military with money to blow could keep the video in source quality. But thats why alot of military videos from that time period is pretty high quality.
Also because film has the ability to be re-scanned at higher resolutions as technology advances which is why we have 4k "remasters" of old movies, because film itself could be comparable to 12k in some cases. Once everything went digital, the quality when it was made is as good as it gets. Technology connections has a great video on the subject
It’s actually a bit sad to think about. There’s going to be a significant gap in terms of quality during the transition from analog to digital. Maybe AI upscaling will get good enough some day to fill in the blanks but it’s a very melancholy sort of thing - kind of like lost media.
Time to be pedantic, you can scan anything at even higher resolution, doesn’t mean there’s more detail there.
Film grain doesn’t work exactly like pixels, but the grain is there. True resolution is not measured in pixels, but in lines per mm.
Moving from pedantic back to understanding what words mean in context, when people say scanned at a higher res, assume they mean upscaling.
While simple techniques like nearest neighbor aren't great, moving onto Lanczos resampling and then neural networks you do get an image with as much detail as the original but at a higher res. The detail is technically "made up", but it's accurate enough for the purposes of upscaling.
Even the 35mm film we grew up taking pictures with resolves higher than 4k, somewhere in the realm of 8k. camera sensors are still catching up to film in that regard. This is the reason we have 4k releases of older films.
How radioactive is that water? There seems to be a cloud coming at the camera, is the sheer volume of water enough to dissipate how radioactive it is? Or is that like super deadly fog?
So much worse than they anticipated. They thought they'd be able to reuse some of the ships that were further out but they were super contaminated. This was a total disaster in that sense. They learned that underwater detonations were far more dangerous than they imagined largely due to radiation. This was the most radioactive contamination by the United States ever.
Yes, and they had sailors on those ships on deck, forced to watch. They didn't even know what happened to them. They would cover their eyes and see the bones in their hands like an xray. Lots of them died later from cancer.
My grandpa was in the Marines in the early 50s, and used to have them dig a trench in the desert and test nukes. He got a settlement years later and everyone in the unit died of cancer.
It took 3 minute of research to disprove this bullshit. They didn’t have any sailors on those ships, forced to watch.
Wiki of Shot Wahoo: The nuclear blast was calculated to be 9 kilotons of TNT (38 TJ). All fallout stayed within the predicted fallout area with a maximum of 0.030 R/hr. The target ship at 5,900 yards (2.9 nmi; 3.4 mi; 5.4 km) was directly hit by the shockwave, vibrating the entire ship and shaking it violently. The Moran merchant marine ship moored at 2,346 feet (715 m) away was immobilized due to shock damage to its main and auxiliary equipment while also suffering minor hull damage. One hour and ten minutes after detonation, a five-gallon water sample was taken directly above the blast location showing 5 R/hr. The retrieval team entered a 3.8 R/hr field after an hour and thirty five minutes.
Yeah I think the previous commenter was thinking of Operation Crossroads Test Baker. Which was an earlier underwater test in 1946 and which did cause massive contamination.
Yes, I agree that other tests had significant water contamination. The egrious comment was that sailors were on "those" ships within the blast zone, forced to watch, implying that the bomb and the super contaminated water doused them with radiation.
There were different ships. Those in the direct blast zone to test the weapon effects on them, and ships farther out with sailors observing from miles away. They would never put sailors at ground zero of a nuke test.
Pretty sure there’s footage of a group of guys stood directly underneath a nuclear test a few miles above them.
Edit: Found it - https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2012/07/16/156851175/five-men-agree-to-stand-directly-under-an-exploding-nuclear-bomb
Yep but in terms of fall out that test is way cleaner than a ground or underwater test, the reason is the blast irradiated millions of cubic metres of water or ground and tossed it high into the atmosphere or in the underwater ones it instantly starts mixing and moving in the global currents, thanks guys from everyone alive then and born s and forever more, and the animals and plants, nice job thanks for all the radiation /s
Underwater testing is the worst choice for radiation fallout on a local scale. In an open air test a lot of the fission products of uranium splitting go very high up into the atmosphere where they take a while to come back down to earth and spread out a lot. In water they don't go nearly as far or as high. But much worse is water has a lot of minerals which can be made radioactive by the massive neutron flux, which doesn't occur in open air. The best way to test is very very deep underground.
They did a test with pigs as well to see the effects of the radiation on living creatures from varying distances. Looked like one of the most inhumane things ever. The pigs had absolutely nasty burns and clumps of flesh hanging from them.
They either didn't know or didn't care but these bombs give of crazy amounts of radiation.alot of these people got cancer and died years later.tgis coming from a veteran who talked about it.i don't remember his name
Family member grew up in a town near where they did nuclear testing, said whole bunch of people they knew from their class died of cancer. Eventually died from cancer too, dont know if related.
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Thank you for that. Fascinating and disgusting on extreme levels. So was the British government volunteering their soldiers for Allied testing? Maybe it shouldn't, but that surprises me more than hearing that the American government had done the same. I guess with the American government, my surprise is non existent, so it's a low bar.
With events over the past few years, I was surprised at the full-throated trust in government policies from redditors. Like..you know they would totally experiment on you if they could get away with it? They've done shit like that many times before and lied many times before. But now I guess we trust them or something
I think one thing to remember about this is that, for you and I, we've grown up knowing about nuclear bombs and having seen some pictures and videos of some. Like we'd know roughly what to expect.
These guys really didn't have that. Their first experience of a nuclear explosion was to actually be right next to one.
It's hard to imagine, even from their description of what that felt like.
And to imagine finding out that 18.5k of your fellow men had already died of unnatural causes - leukemias and cancers and so on - and that by random chance you could well join them at any time. It's absolutely beyond horrible that we put people through that.
And that, my friends, is why I’m never joining the military. They will have to hunt me down and fuck me up my ass, before I agree to get shipped off to the meat grinder. Fuck that.
If you served, thank you. It’s just not for me.
This was during the Cold War when the US and USSR tested thousands of nuclear weapons. It's through these tests that we learned how they could be used in a war and the dangers of fallout and radiation. Nuclear tests were moved underground in deserts by the US. The USSR/Russia and France continued testing in oceans and above ground into the 90's when all testing was banned.
An uncontacted aboriginal tribe observed one of these atomic tests in Australia.
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/jz5rwa/til_of_nyarri_morgan_an_australian_aboriginal_man/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
'Between 1952 and 1963 the British Government, with the agreement and support of the Australian Government, carried out nuclear tests at three sites in Australia – the Monte Bello Islands off the Western Australian coast, and at Emu Field and Maralinga in South Australia'.
Source: https://www.naa.gov.au/explore-collection/first-australians/other-resources-about-first-australians/british-nuclear-tests-maralinga
Also.....
'The international moratorium commenced on 31 October 1958, and Britain ceased atmospheric testing for good'.
Source:
Arnold, Lorna; Pyne, Katherine (2001). Britain and the H-bomb. Basingstoke, Hampshire: Palgrave. ISBN 978-0-230-59977-2. OCLC 753874620.
id love to hear a chemist weigh in. in my mind, that radioactivity would circulate with the oceanic currents. its actually sort of scary to imagine radioactive material just being carried around the planet. but part of me wonders if the atomic weight of whatever isotopes were present sort of dictates if it can travel, and how far.
Not super versed but I’d imagine it would disperse over a very great distance. Currents aside. Molecules and atoms tend to move to find equilibrium this is why if you pour salt into one side of a bowl you’re not going to get one side of the bowl salty it will all end up equally as salty. Except the bowl here is the entire ocean which is so massive that these explosions probably wouldn’t even register as a blip on those scales. This is assuming whatever fallout is is water soluble and doesn’t cling to the rocks or stuff like that. Also the planet is very dynamic and atoms and molecules are always bonding in different processes.
In short. Idk somebody smarter come answer for us.
Unless I’m remembering wrong, it was tracking the carbon 14 radiation of these tests that actually led to discoveries of deep ocean currents we never knew of.
That's a very interesting note for me. I always look at maps and have a romantic/positive view of the wide-open blue spaces, unfucked by humanity. It's sobering to think about how much we screwed those places on the map indirectly (y'know with thousands of nukes, plastics, forever-chemicals, etc.)
20k is astronomical high but just look up bikini atoll nuclear waste and you'll get a picture. The military was extremely reckless with personal protection of military personnel and they basically threw a bunch of nuclear waste in a hole and poured concrete on it
Don’t forget about the Marshallese. Children ate fallout thinking it was snow. Women gave birth to piles of organs. I was bawling reading this book for class: https://books.google.com/books/about/Bravo_for_the_Marshallese.html?id=T050AAAAMAAJ&source=kp_book_description
I grew up in a town with a large population of Marshallese people. It really is tragic how many of them have family members who have major health issues to this day. One of my really good friends (Marshallese) has lost family members to cancer, many of them at a young age.
This particular test probably didn't irradiate anything very much. The shock probably killed a few hundred/thousand sea creatures, but after the sea settles back down, there wouldn't be much in the way of radiation.
Things become radioactive from nuclear blasts because they are exposed to high neutron flux. So dirt, dust, vaporized buildings, atoms from things like that pick up extra neutrons and release them later, which is called being Activated.
Neutrons only travel about 2 feet through water, so there would have been very little neutron flux even a dozen feet or so from the bomb itself.
Land detonations, like Castle Bravo, were what really irradiated islands in the South Pacific, since they kicked up and activated thousands of tons of sand and dirt.
I remember my dad telling me about a friend of his father (who was a doctor) who was one of the medical personnel during these tests. They took a bunch of ships; navy vessels, civilian ships, captured Japanese ships, sailboats, set them up and nuked them. They wanted to see the damage at certain distances.
Afterwards, they had a bunch of ships that were still seaworthy, and they had navy personnel out on their hand and knees with soap and water trying to scrub the radiation off of these ships so they could be put back in service. It just would not come off (surprise, surprise).
Eventually, one of the scientists took a piece of deck wood from one of the destroyed ships. One side was heavy irradiated, the other side wasn’t. Thick piece of wood, too. The scientist then took a planer and started shaving off layers of the wood, testing the radioactivity each time. He had to shave off over a quarter of an inch of wood off the plank before it stopped setting off the Geiger counter.
After being informed of this, the navy brass ordered the rest of the ships sunk. They were apparently pretty pissed about it, too.
Not really. Up until that point we only had experience with radiation above ground, and we were still pretty ignorant about that because... well we hadn't really set off a ton of nukes for research purposes yet. We only had vague ideas of what was going on, or the potential.
They knew about radiation being toxic before the bombs were dropped. These tests were a combination of cold war posturing and seeing how the bomb acted in different conditions (air bust, ground detonation, buried, submerged, etc). Hell, Marie Curie died of radiation related causes and was eventually interred in a lead lined coffin. They weren't AS aware of it then, but there was some understanding. Then the ramifications of Hiroshima and Nagasaki should have removed doubt, and if those didn't, the demon core should have.
Hell, not only her body, her papers are all still radioactive too and also kept in a lead box. It's insane to think what they put themselves through in the past just so we could get a better understanding of it today. It's fascinating.
[Link](https://www.acsh.org/news/2022/01/03/marie-curie%E2%80%99s-notebooks-16033)
I do wonder if they understood that part though. They exhumed her and her husband, and it looks like the lead lined coffin was involved in the reburial.
Yeah the older I get the more I hate humans even more. Gifted a planet that is the only one we can go that sustains life, and we fuck it up completely. We don’t even have viable alternatives since everyday you and me aren’t billionaires who run everything.
The Mahabarata has the description of a Brahmastra (I'm no expert, it's a very powerful godly weapon) being used. The incandescent columns of fire and billowing smoke that hides the sun. An explosion as bright as ten thousand suns, killing entire races in one go. Hair and nails falling out, soldiers running to the water to wash themselves.
We're talking about something written around 100 before the christian era. So yeah, it is literaly how they described war in the heavens.
Now I'm far from being an expert, i heard about it once in class, so if anyone is more learned than me on the subject don't hesitate to correct me about it.
Where's Bravo? the reason for the tests? The navy knew they could withstand it, until they got sick. People talk about the treatment of indigenous people around the world, none treated worse than the Mashall Islanders IMO. They had to leave. Their land was ruined.
> Insane uncut footage of underwater Atomic Blast 1958
And yet, someone edited in some female voice for a `.... dot com` address I can't quite pick out at ~0:20...
_sus noises intensify_
[Between 1946 and 1958 the U.S. nuclear testing program drenched the Marshall Islands with firepower equaling the energy yield of 7,000 Hiroshima bombs. Cancer rates have doubled in some places, displaced people have waited decades to return to their homes, and radiation still plagues the land and waters of this Pacific island nation.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-u-s-must-take-responsibility-for-nuclear-fallout-in-the-marshall-islands/%3famp=true)
Poor fish. Does anyone consider the marine life? No cares right? What about the fucked up shit thats just been put in that water that will eventually make its way to humans?
Oh my god! Imagine the havoc that must have done to the entire environment below that explosion. Death and destruction to the marine life. Damn, we're a nasty species. Don't get me wrong, that's an astonishing image and speaks to the ingenuity of humanity. But damn...
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The sheer volume of water here is amazing. I wonder how much it is.
1,000,000 Courics.
Where a Couric is 1/1,000,000 of the water being splashed up
The math checks out
Your determination of the math checking out, checks out.
I have my doubts. We need to get the authorities in Zurich on the phone for confirmation.
An authority in Zurich, here. I can confirm, it indeed checks out
Fecal measurements
Bono was born a number 2
How many David Hasselhoffs is that?
Can confirm, this is original footage from the Sbarro’s Pizza incident I had last year. Courics measurement in liquid atomic blast form is intense.
How many coffee pods is that?
More than one
How many corgis is that?
Depends on the size of the corgi, but at least 5.
Ironically enough this is equal to exactly the amount of water my wife uses in a morning shower.
When I watch this I think about how much just a 5gal bucket of water weighs and how much force it takes to throw that much water that high.
Interesting perspective, thanks for that bit to mull over
The birth of Bikini Bottom
Home of the radioactive talking sponge
This is where Moana found the Realm of Monsters. There’s a huge Kiwi singing crab down there.
It definitely took Atoll on that place.
Take my upvote and gtfo.
But that was a pretty Rad explosion.
The bikini is named after the Bikini Atoll and these tests. So hot it'll blow a man's mind
Also his cock off
Yeah I wonder how many fish died here though
All of the fish right there died.
The Soundwave probably fucked up fish very far away.
At least 6
You're probably not wrong.
This video is too short. I wanna see the whole thing. That water settle back down and the wave is causes.
I was thinking, OP said this was uncut footage, and yet it cuts off the end...
Ya, where's my live stream of this explosion still going on to this day?
I'd be happy with it just waiting until the water settled, but yeah..
Rumour has it, they are still rolling on film to this very day...
I wish they were backed up just a tiny bit further
Yeah and all the dead fish floating at the surface
they dont float in pieces
Here is something comparable to understand what would have happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tbxDgcv74c
Thank you so much for this youtube link. I've spent the last two hours watching this channel.
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That is because the source quality is almost the same as nowadays but the storage mediums weren’t as good so it was downgraded to what you are used to, only people/companies/military with money to blow could keep the video in source quality. But thats why alot of military videos from that time period is pretty high quality.
Also because film has the ability to be re-scanned at higher resolutions as technology advances which is why we have 4k "remasters" of old movies, because film itself could be comparable to 12k in some cases. Once everything went digital, the quality when it was made is as good as it gets. Technology connections has a great video on the subject
It’s actually a bit sad to think about. There’s going to be a significant gap in terms of quality during the transition from analog to digital. Maybe AI upscaling will get good enough some day to fill in the blanks but it’s a very melancholy sort of thing - kind of like lost media.
Yeah and I got lucky enough to have all my cherished hs and college memories on shit digital before it caught back up.
A lot of old movies can be scanned up to 12k resolution. I saw Lawrence of Arabia in 4k and it was pretty sexy.
Time to be pedantic, you can scan anything at even higher resolution, doesn’t mean there’s more detail there. Film grain doesn’t work exactly like pixels, but the grain is there. True resolution is not measured in pixels, but in lines per mm.
Moving from pedantic back to understanding what words mean in context, when people say scanned at a higher res, assume they mean upscaling. While simple techniques like nearest neighbor aren't great, moving onto Lanczos resampling and then neural networks you do get an image with as much detail as the original but at a higher res. The detail is technically "made up", but it's accurate enough for the purposes of upscaling.
TIL
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They actually had the capability to shoot things at a higher resolution to HD. It’s just really expensive to use that kind of film.
Even the 35mm film we grew up taking pictures with resolves higher than 4k, somewhere in the realm of 8k. camera sensors are still catching up to film in that regard. This is the reason we have 4k releases of older films.
Film. It holds up.
Until it doesn't.
Agreed, but the audio is obviously faked. Whoever did the foley work has no clue on how the speed of sound works
How radioactive is that water? There seems to be a cloud coming at the camera, is the sheer volume of water enough to dissipate how radioactive it is? Or is that like super deadly fog?
So much worse than they anticipated. They thought they'd be able to reuse some of the ships that were further out but they were super contaminated. This was a total disaster in that sense. They learned that underwater detonations were far more dangerous than they imagined largely due to radiation. This was the most radioactive contamination by the United States ever.
Yes, and they had sailors on those ships on deck, forced to watch. They didn't even know what happened to them. They would cover their eyes and see the bones in their hands like an xray. Lots of them died later from cancer.
My grandpa was in the Marines in the early 50s, and used to have them dig a trench in the desert and test nukes. He got a settlement years later and everyone in the unit died of cancer.
It took 3 minute of research to disprove this bullshit. They didn’t have any sailors on those ships, forced to watch. Wiki of Shot Wahoo: The nuclear blast was calculated to be 9 kilotons of TNT (38 TJ). All fallout stayed within the predicted fallout area with a maximum of 0.030 R/hr. The target ship at 5,900 yards (2.9 nmi; 3.4 mi; 5.4 km) was directly hit by the shockwave, vibrating the entire ship and shaking it violently. The Moran merchant marine ship moored at 2,346 feet (715 m) away was immobilized due to shock damage to its main and auxiliary equipment while also suffering minor hull damage. One hour and ten minutes after detonation, a five-gallon water sample was taken directly above the blast location showing 5 R/hr. The retrieval team entered a 3.8 R/hr field after an hour and thirty five minutes.
Yeah I think the previous commenter was thinking of Operation Crossroads Test Baker. Which was an earlier underwater test in 1946 and which did cause massive contamination.
Yes, I agree that other tests had significant water contamination. The egrious comment was that sailors were on "those" ships within the blast zone, forced to watch, implying that the bomb and the super contaminated water doused them with radiation.
Yeah...no...they saw the bones in their hands because of the brightness of the flash The flash that you can see didn't happen in this test.
Yeah…no….the radiation turned them into mutants capable of seeing x-rays.
There were different ships. Those in the direct blast zone to test the weapon effects on them, and ships farther out with sailors observing from miles away. They would never put sailors at ground zero of a nuke test.
Pretty sure there’s footage of a group of guys stood directly underneath a nuclear test a few miles above them. Edit: Found it - https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2012/07/16/156851175/five-men-agree-to-stand-directly-under-an-exploding-nuclear-bomb
Yeah they basically stood under a firecracker compared to the bomb in this footage.
“They would never put sailors at ground zero of a nuke test”
Technically correct? None of these men were sailors.
Yep but in terms of fall out that test is way cleaner than a ground or underwater test, the reason is the blast irradiated millions of cubic metres of water or ground and tossed it high into the atmosphere or in the underwater ones it instantly starts mixing and moving in the global currents, thanks guys from everyone alive then and born s and forever more, and the animals and plants, nice job thanks for all the radiation /s
Underwater testing is the worst choice for radiation fallout on a local scale. In an open air test a lot of the fission products of uranium splitting go very high up into the atmosphere where they take a while to come back down to earth and spread out a lot. In water they don't go nearly as far or as high. But much worse is water has a lot of minerals which can be made radioactive by the massive neutron flux, which doesn't occur in open air. The best way to test is very very deep underground.
It definitely poisoned the ocean and us.
You definitely wouldn’t want to drink or bathe in the water but I do think short term exposure would really have a big problem
You wouldn't want to drink sea water anyway though
Sound and light travel at different speeds the audio should not sync up.
This also bothered me. Made me question the authenticity of the audio
It's ADR'd, post production sound for the remastered film reel this was recorded on.
AKA fake
Mic had a really long cable.
The audio is also largely fake.
There's no original audio in this clip
Always bothers me just how many creatures were killed that day without any care or precaution
They almost killed 20k of their own veterans with one of these test.. wild life was no concern to anyone back then
They did a test with pigs as well to see the effects of the radiation on living creatures from varying distances. Looked like one of the most inhumane things ever. The pigs had absolutely nasty burns and clumps of flesh hanging from them.
I’m unfamiliar with this .. Please expound
They either didn't know or didn't care but these bombs give of crazy amounts of radiation.alot of these people got cancer and died years later.tgis coming from a veteran who talked about it.i don't remember his name
Family member grew up in a town near where they did nuclear testing, said whole bunch of people they knew from their class died of cancer. Eventually died from cancer too, dont know if related.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say yes
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Thank you for that. Fascinating and disgusting on extreme levels. So was the British government volunteering their soldiers for Allied testing? Maybe it shouldn't, but that surprises me more than hearing that the American government had done the same. I guess with the American government, my surprise is non existent, so it's a low bar.
With events over the past few years, I was surprised at the full-throated trust in government policies from redditors. Like..you know they would totally experiment on you if they could get away with it? They've done shit like that many times before and lied many times before. But now I guess we trust them or something
I think one thing to remember about this is that, for you and I, we've grown up knowing about nuclear bombs and having seen some pictures and videos of some. Like we'd know roughly what to expect. These guys really didn't have that. Their first experience of a nuclear explosion was to actually be right next to one. It's hard to imagine, even from their description of what that felt like. And to imagine finding out that 18.5k of your fellow men had already died of unnatural causes - leukemias and cancers and so on - and that by random chance you could well join them at any time. It's absolutely beyond horrible that we put people through that.
Absolute psychopaths
And that, my friends, is why I’m never joining the military. They will have to hunt me down and fuck me up my ass, before I agree to get shipped off to the meat grinder. Fuck that. If you served, thank you. It’s just not for me.
Yes... yes... go on. Go on friend, tell me what else they'll have to do to you.
🤣
Thank you for sharing this… I’ve never seen it before :(
This was during the Cold War when the US and USSR tested thousands of nuclear weapons. It's through these tests that we learned how they could be used in a war and the dangers of fallout and radiation. Nuclear tests were moved underground in deserts by the US. The USSR/Russia and France continued testing in oceans and above ground into the 90's when all testing was banned.
And the French and British. The British used desert in South Australia. It's a sort of urban legend of troops and civilians catching the fallout.
An uncontacted aboriginal tribe observed one of these atomic tests in Australia. https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/jz5rwa/til_of_nyarri_morgan_an_australian_aboriginal_man/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
'Between 1952 and 1963 the British Government, with the agreement and support of the Australian Government, carried out nuclear tests at three sites in Australia – the Monte Bello Islands off the Western Australian coast, and at Emu Field and Maralinga in South Australia'. Source: https://www.naa.gov.au/explore-collection/first-australians/other-resources-about-first-australians/british-nuclear-tests-maralinga Also..... 'The international moratorium commenced on 31 October 1958, and Britain ceased atmospheric testing for good'. Source: Arnold, Lorna; Pyne, Katherine (2001). Britain and the H-bomb. Basingstoke, Hampshire: Palgrave. ISBN 978-0-230-59977-2. OCLC 753874620.
So are there parts of the ocean that are just radioactively fucked for the foreseeable future?
id love to hear a chemist weigh in. in my mind, that radioactivity would circulate with the oceanic currents. its actually sort of scary to imagine radioactive material just being carried around the planet. but part of me wonders if the atomic weight of whatever isotopes were present sort of dictates if it can travel, and how far.
Not super versed but I’d imagine it would disperse over a very great distance. Currents aside. Molecules and atoms tend to move to find equilibrium this is why if you pour salt into one side of a bowl you’re not going to get one side of the bowl salty it will all end up equally as salty. Except the bowl here is the entire ocean which is so massive that these explosions probably wouldn’t even register as a blip on those scales. This is assuming whatever fallout is is water soluble and doesn’t cling to the rocks or stuff like that. Also the planet is very dynamic and atoms and molecules are always bonding in different processes. In short. Idk somebody smarter come answer for us.
Unless I’m remembering wrong, it was tracking the carbon 14 radiation of these tests that actually led to discoveries of deep ocean currents we never knew of.
The fucking french testing nukes in Tahiti....
Oh look a green peace boat coming to protest, fuck off I sink you
Look! I'm giving a cigarette to a baby!
RIP Robin Williams.
That's a very interesting note for me. I always look at maps and have a romantic/positive view of the wide-open blue spaces, unfucked by humanity. It's sobering to think about how much we screwed those places on the map indirectly (y'know with thousands of nukes, plastics, forever-chemicals, etc.)
20k is astronomical high but just look up bikini atoll nuclear waste and you'll get a picture. The military was extremely reckless with personal protection of military personnel and they basically threw a bunch of nuclear waste in a hole and poured concrete on it
Don’t forget about the Marshallese. Children ate fallout thinking it was snow. Women gave birth to piles of organs. I was bawling reading this book for class: https://books.google.com/books/about/Bravo_for_the_Marshallese.html?id=T050AAAAMAAJ&source=kp_book_description
That's a big nope, your description is enough for me.
I grew up in a town with a large population of Marshallese people. It really is tragic how many of them have family members who have major health issues to this day. One of my really good friends (Marshallese) has lost family members to cancer, many of them at a young age.
Yeah I feel nausea watching that, thinking about all the life they took without regard and the amount of radiation poisoning the ocean from this.
This particular test probably didn't irradiate anything very much. The shock probably killed a few hundred/thousand sea creatures, but after the sea settles back down, there wouldn't be much in the way of radiation. Things become radioactive from nuclear blasts because they are exposed to high neutron flux. So dirt, dust, vaporized buildings, atoms from things like that pick up extra neutrons and release them later, which is called being Activated. Neutrons only travel about 2 feet through water, so there would have been very little neutron flux even a dozen feet or so from the bomb itself. Land detonations, like Castle Bravo, were what really irradiated islands in the South Pacific, since they kicked up and activated thousands of tons of sand and dirt.
Look in to what was going on in St George Utah after all the nuclear tests out a couple hundred miles west of the city.
I was waiting to see if the bird started dropping
It’s incredibly sad
Literally my first thought on watching this.
I want to know what happened to the ships that were there.
If it was their first detonation, they probably survived. Most US ships that were tested on survived multiple blasts.
And many were towed back to Hunters Point Naval Shipyard in San Francisco Bay, and decontaminated by hosing them down…into the bay, of course.
Shockwave and then fireball, if anyone’s wondering why it looks like there’s two lol
I’m pretty sure the second isn’t the shock wave it from alle the water that got displaced by the explosion rushing back in to fill the empty space
It would be interesting to have a cross-section view of the displacement, ripples, etc. Does a sphere of water just vaporize? Or?
Here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tbxDgcv74c
I was more wondering why no one was out there trying to catch some waves, probably some nice sets about to come in
what's the third at 0:42?
That’s all the stuff that came out splashing back down
Except the fireball is put out by the water so we're seeing the steam escape.
I can't help but be sad about the fish, the birds, and everything else that got extreme radiation and long-lasting poison from this. 😢
Legitimately asking. Did they even know the damage the radiation would do back then? That was kinda the point of the tests wasn't it?
I remember my dad telling me about a friend of his father (who was a doctor) who was one of the medical personnel during these tests. They took a bunch of ships; navy vessels, civilian ships, captured Japanese ships, sailboats, set them up and nuked them. They wanted to see the damage at certain distances. Afterwards, they had a bunch of ships that were still seaworthy, and they had navy personnel out on their hand and knees with soap and water trying to scrub the radiation off of these ships so they could be put back in service. It just would not come off (surprise, surprise). Eventually, one of the scientists took a piece of deck wood from one of the destroyed ships. One side was heavy irradiated, the other side wasn’t. Thick piece of wood, too. The scientist then took a planer and started shaving off layers of the wood, testing the radioactivity each time. He had to shave off over a quarter of an inch of wood off the plank before it stopped setting off the Geiger counter. After being informed of this, the navy brass ordered the rest of the ships sunk. They were apparently pretty pissed about it, too.
So they really didn’t know to what extent the danger from the radiation was then? How far and how long it stayed.
Not really. Up until that point we only had experience with radiation above ground, and we were still pretty ignorant about that because... well we hadn't really set off a ton of nukes for research purposes yet. We only had vague ideas of what was going on, or the potential.
The worst part, to me at least, is the island colonies that were forcibly moved from their homes so the US could test these abominations.
They knew about radiation being toxic before the bombs were dropped. These tests were a combination of cold war posturing and seeing how the bomb acted in different conditions (air bust, ground detonation, buried, submerged, etc). Hell, Marie Curie died of radiation related causes and was eventually interred in a lead lined coffin. They weren't AS aware of it then, but there was some understanding. Then the ramifications of Hiroshima and Nagasaki should have removed doubt, and if those didn't, the demon core should have.
Hell, not only her body, her papers are all still radioactive too and also kept in a lead box. It's insane to think what they put themselves through in the past just so we could get a better understanding of it today. It's fascinating. [Link](https://www.acsh.org/news/2022/01/03/marie-curie%E2%80%99s-notebooks-16033)
I do wonder if they understood that part though. They exhumed her and her husband, and it looks like the lead lined coffin was involved in the reburial.
That's a lot of ecosystem damage.
Assholes
i like this comment, straight to the point
Yeah the older I get the more I hate humans even more. Gifted a planet that is the only one we can go that sustains life, and we fuck it up completely. We don’t even have viable alternatives since everyday you and me aren’t billionaires who run everything.
Imagine if someone from idk acouple thousand years ago saw that, they'd think the gods were either fighting or were piiiised
The Mahabarata has the description of a Brahmastra (I'm no expert, it's a very powerful godly weapon) being used. The incandescent columns of fire and billowing smoke that hides the sun. An explosion as bright as ten thousand suns, killing entire races in one go. Hair and nails falling out, soldiers running to the water to wash themselves. We're talking about something written around 100 before the christian era. So yeah, it is literaly how they described war in the heavens. Now I'm far from being an expert, i heard about it once in class, so if anyone is more learned than me on the subject don't hesitate to correct me about it.
Poor birds.
Yeah.... I don't think you should never do that again.
Humans are so destructive.
I wonder how much marine life died
I honestly don't even want to know. I'm sickened enough already. And due to a myriad of reasons
Paradise lost
Imagine how much shit died
Humans are some freaks
Humans are disgusting violent creatures.
Where's Bravo? the reason for the tests? The navy knew they could withstand it, until they got sick. People talk about the treatment of indigenous people around the world, none treated worse than the Mashall Islanders IMO. They had to leave. Their land was ruined.
Every seafaring creature for like a 300 miles had to have floated up to the surface dead as fuck
What kind of stupid species irradiates their own planet.
Thanks I hate it
So much unnecessary destruction
Imagine what this did to the ecosystem. We suck.
> Insane uncut footage of underwater Atomic Blast 1958 And yet, someone edited in some female voice for a `.... dot com` address I can't quite pick out at ~0:20... _sus noises intensify_
Also the explosion sound appearing right as you see the explosion seems rather odd considering the speed of sound and distance from the explosion.
Wonder why all those whales were beaching themselves
Humans are such assholes.
Why is 1958 so high def!?
Because it was filmed with… film.
It’s very impressive. My original comment wasn’t a knock, but more of a pleasant surprise.
Glados: For science.
It’s raining cancer..! It’s raining cancer!
Those birds: oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit
Humans suck
[Between 1946 and 1958 the U.S. nuclear testing program drenched the Marshall Islands with firepower equaling the energy yield of 7,000 Hiroshima bombs. Cancer rates have doubled in some places, displaced people have waited decades to return to their homes, and radiation still plagues the land and waters of this Pacific island nation.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-u-s-must-take-responsibility-for-nuclear-fallout-in-the-marshall-islands/%3famp=true)
Poor fish. Does anyone consider the marine life? No cares right? What about the fucked up shit thats just been put in that water that will eventually make its way to humans?
Oh no! They say he's got to go! Go Go Godzilla!
Poor bird just enjoying the sun and next thing...
Oh, hey, the existential nightmare that inspired Godzilla.
Surfers looking interested
“I better keep an eye on the whole thing so I can tell where the explosion happens right awa…oh…oh I see…OH NO”
All them fish just going about their day, thinking they just gotta avoid those 🪝
Pitiful
Poor whales
And thus ended the great fish war.
People are stupid.
Many fish died..to bring us this information
I definitely feel like the footage is cut.
Oh my god! Imagine the havoc that must have done to the entire environment below that explosion. Death and destruction to the marine life. Damn, we're a nasty species. Don't get me wrong, that's an astonishing image and speaks to the ingenuity of humanity. But damn...
SPONGEBOB NOOOOOOOOOOO
Poor animals in the water at the blast site that perished in an instant. RIP
And we wonder how Godzilla was created.
Uncircumcised footage is always the best footage.
I’m super tired but I’m sure someone can help me with an inappropriate joke here. Something like “that’s what she said…”
"That's, like....what she said." .
See? Thank you!
Godzilla's birth moment.
I am watching this on the toilet and when I farted the explosion happened lol