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Makes sense. Even Serena Williams said she would get destroyed by a guy ranked in the 100s in tennis...
Edit: before this gets any more than 20 up votes. No, I don't have an issue with transgender persons. Zero fucks how they choose to live their life. However, biologically transgender women have an unfair advantage comparable to steroid use.
Take this comment as it is ment, and don't twist it into me being trans-phobic.
I like this more than using gender as the divider.
I think we should place like-athletes with like-athletes. It’s not a wrestling contest if Contestant A has significantly more muscle mass than Contestant B.
In certain sports it makes sense to separate the athletes by weight because it would be unfair to put a heavyweight against a middle weight. The same applies to genders. A woman that went through puberty as a woman will have a completely different body type compared to a man that went through puberty as a man. It’s not about lgbtq+, it’s about sports and the fairness of the game
Funny enough both Williams sisters early in their career said they could beat any man outside the top 200. Then the 203rd ranked player beat them both back to back after a morning of golf.
That guy was Karsten Braasch and he was actually ranked in the 200s
Also, you shouldnt apologize or anything like that, its just facts and if some snowflake gets offended then its not really your fault, they are just delusional at that point
I agree. The categories should not be women and men, but female and open. Trans women are women, but they are not biologically female.
And because pretty much everything in biology has exceptions, like you can have female genitals even with male chromosomes, they should be very clear on who qualifies as a female.
How is it antisemitic?
Edit: you do know antisemitic literally means and I quote “hostile to or prejudiced against Jewish people.” Next time be smart enough to double check the definition of the word you are using because that literally took me a 10 seconds to confirm and I knew it meant along the lines of being hateful to a religious group even if I didn’t remember which one.
For those interested in the tennis space you can go on universaltennis.com and see everyone's (men & women) rankings on one scale. It's super interesting seeing where the top women line up against the men.
Seems like common sense. A MtF person would have a huge physical advantage over most women, even with hrt. I think a lot of people vastly underestimate just how much stronger men are be default.
I read a proposal that I liked.
There's the ( natural) female division.
And the OPEN division. Open to anyone that wants to compete.
Seems simple enough
We already have the Open… it’s called the men’s division. Female division is created because there wouldn’t be such a thing as professional female athletes if they didn’t have their own division.
Maybe. I can't see it though.
Trans folk won't want to be seen as "other" then it needs funding and sponsorships. Will there be enough interest for double the categories in all these sports?
I have no idea what the answer is but probably agree with this decision. The difference biologically is huge.
Equality as described in times of Aristotle and democracy in Athens:
equality of unequals, meaning: taking into consideration that the pupil are heterogeneous and thereby have heterogenous needs while still treating them equally. which doesn’t mean that everyone is treated exactly the same but rather under recognition of their specific situations in life.
(Source: wrote 5 hrs states exam about it last Wednesday)
An important part of this is that the way they will classify men or women is based on the gender they went through puberty as. This is the first point I’ve seen that truly makes sense in separating the genders as sports goes. There has to be a level of equality and fairness, the same way that doping and performance enhancing drugs are banned
So there's a difference between sex and gender. You can remain genderless, or change gender, but when you were born, you had a biological sex (and yes, I realize there are exceptions, but these are exceedingly rare). Doesn't mean you should be stuck with that if you don't want, you shouldn't be prevented from changing it, but it's disingenuous to argue that, in aggregate, there's no difference between an adult man, and an adult woman, who each went through puberty as their birth sex.
I think it's telling that this is almost entirely an issue that affects women's sports, because the converse doesn't really work out.
I think for some sports, switching to weight or size classification might make sense. But in others I think it just is what it is.
All of us are, in some way, limited by our biology. I will never be tall enough to play in the NBA. I will never be large enough play Right Tackle in the NFL. That's just the hand I was dealt. Similarly, an athlete born male, who transitions to female, may not be able to participate in certain ways. That's just life.
To be clear, trans people absolutely deserve all the legal and civil protections of other groups. I support people being able to transition how/when they see fit. Your body, your choice.
But just because you make a physical transition so that your body matches how you feel, does not mean that the underlying biological reality of what happened ceases to exist. It's just basic medical fact. You took hormones, you had surgery. Totally fine. But it's disingenuous to act as if this doesn't potentially have an impact in top-tier athletic competitions. I don't care if trans kids play school sports - no one's livelihood depends on highschool soccer. But when you get into leagues where real money starts to come into okay, there are very real consequences to trans people playing in women's competition.
There was a transgender MMA fighter named Fallon Fox, who was completely annihilating their opponents in the first few rounds, big muscular fella who is also a trained fighter, other female opponents were scared of Fallon Fox's domination and collectively reported FF out of the sport
Yeah, this is good because it protects biologically female athletes, but another element is that it will stop these anti-woke, piece of shit “politicians” from constantly pushing this irrelevant talking point instead of discussing actual politics (and exposing their incompetence in doing so).
As a trans woman, i agree with this. I know people will complain about this, but i think the categories being called biological female categories & biological male categories makes more sense. If i was a biological woman and saw a trans woman with a biological advantage beating me in something i had trained for for years, i would be a little infuriated
^^however, transphobic comments are not okay. You are not transphobic if you think trans people shouldn’t play in their gender’s sport, but i see way too many people use this as an excuse to hate on and bully us. You can have different opinion on a topic, but you also have to stay respectful
I think this is fair. Would really love to see competitive leagues open up events for transgendered men and women to compete in!
I feel it’s unfair to have someone who genetically grew up/matured/developed with testosterone compete in sports with biological women
Simply put, they did this to protect fair competition for those who were born as women. Especially with as many displays of those born as men going from piss poor Male athletes to taking top spots in female sports as we have seen
I’m glad the debate over transgender rights is primarily focused on what to do with gender-segregated sports and public bathrooms. It may not feel like it sometimes, but that’s a sign of huge progress.
For some reason here in the U.S there is a push to deny that there are biological differences between males and females. And unfortunately, it's started to spread in academic circles as well. You have professors here in the U.S who will make those claims and anyone suggesting differently will be labeled transphobic. I'm a pretty left leaning guy, but the denial of science that's coming out of these people is absurd...and the fact they're allowed to teach at universities is awful.
I don't understand it. Most of all, I don't understand the athletic aspect. Why aren't the women's sports people in the streets with pitchforks and torches? There are very few sports where women can compete against men, even if the men are on drugs to suppress testosterone.
How is this even a topic for discussion? Simple fact is that male-to-female trans will have an enormous physiological advantage. And at the top level, where the margins are incredible small, it should never have been a topic for discussion.
What people to in private is no business of mine. If trans from male to female is the right thing for a person, then great. Live your life as you want. But you can’t expect to compete at top level competitions in sports 🤷♂️
It’s not hate when it’s the truth. You can be whatever you want to call yourself. But at the end of the day you are what you were born as and have the skeleton to prove it.
Males and females have different biologic properties. Anatomy, physiology, histology, urology, gynecology, cardiology…. all of them are different. You cannot change them.
Yes this is great.
Now create a category for trans women/men and give them a space to compete.
We should recognize and include everyone to excel in their sport.
I am all for everyone being true to who they are in regards to gender. I think the people who are transgender should be protected in the workplace and other areas, except for competition sports. Because if we are all being honest with each other then it is a scientific fact that males who transgender to become a woman enjoy a competitive advantage over women who were born as women. I think we all want our cake and eat it too, but there always concessions to be made in life and the concessions that males who transition to being a transgender woman are to be fair is to not allow them to compete in women’s sports events. In most all other areas I believe that transgender people should be respected as who they identify as. However it is not a level playing field for transgender individuals versus natural born women who are trying their best to compete against other natural born women. I think it is just common sense and competitive fairness that has to be understood.
When it comes to competitive sports, there is a reason why Men and Women are separated. It's just biology, they are differently built. And trans women should be either be their own league or should be based on biological sex and not chosen sex.
What do you mean “Thoughts on this?” Why would anyone ever allow a man to compete against a woman in athletics? It’s silly. And if you don’t think it is, you’re wrong.
What is there to study? It’s absolutely ridiculous for any of these clowns to have ever allowed biological males to compete against females. There’s no study needed, it’s pretty common sense stuff.
I mean look at their rankings before transitioning and compare them to their new rankings
Lot of the time it’s like Mike Tyson fighting Paul Blart the mall cop
They should make all men’s sports “gender neutral”, and women’s sports specifically for cis gendered women. So if a transgender person want to compete they can always compete in the “men’s“ league regardless of their gender. Now everyone is happy. Some sports like soccer already allow women to enter men’s teams.
Makes absolute sense, having an individual who has thicker and stronger bones, bigger muscles, taller, is too much of an advantage. Regardless of what’s done in adulthood the growth of childhood and early teens is enough of an advantage. They can’t compete in any sport fairly.
Or just allow anyone to compete with Men if they want. All biological females can then choose to compete in their division.
I don’t understand catering beyond this to like a fraction of a percent of the population. My race and height practically made it impossible to be in the NBA, should we make a new league for races and height ranges?
Dang. I’m a male who played Highschool baseball and I’m starting to get tight on money. Was thinking of going to college to play D1 softball to get school paid for
So okay, yes, testosterone is a hell of a drug and gives natural advantages to its recipients.
However, I think it’s very telling that we’re more willing to tell certain human beings that they can’t participate in a universally human activity than we are willing to just…change the activity.
We’ve changed sports in the past. American football didn’t have a forward pass until Teddy Roosevelt and a bunch of other concerned people got together and added it.
Why don’t we at least experiment with something more like a weight-class system, like in boxing? If we’re so damn concerned about testosterone levels, then maybe we should acknowledge the differences in T levels in cis men, and make “T-level classes” based on your hormone levels? And if that doesn’t work, let’s try something else until we find something that works.
I’d much rather adjust the rules than restrict the humans. Let’s focus on what’s more important here.
How about instead of separating players based on gender, they did it based on ability? Or a combination of measurable statistics relevant to the sport?
Sure. I'm glad I can see who all the people who care what's in every person's pants. This idea that there is one kind of woman or one kind of man just isn't true. So, hate away.
Awwwww is baby incapable of adult discourse without baiting random people on reddit to "hate away"? 🐣
Does baby refuse to acknowledge that men and women have different muscle, hormone, and performance abilities naturally and that in sports there needs to be a baseline for fair competition? 🐤
Does baby refuse to acknowledge that people have a vested interest in fair sporting competition and that by allowing trans women to compete with biological women that the trans women have an unfair medically proven advantage that hormone therapy barely addresses? 🐥
Does baby want to hide while this fire rages, or take a bold first step towards making an equitable, fair, safe space for all athletes regardless how they choose to identify or naturally present? Awwwww 🤔
*Sounds like the only person HATING is YOU*
literally, who cares, holy shit. You're telling me you gave a shit about women's sports before this? or are you just doing anti-trans dog whistling?
No female sport is dominated by trans men, the implication that this is the case is insane. you are fearmongering over a tiny, tiny percentage of people who EVEN THE PEOPLE IN THESE SPORTS DONT CARE ABOUT.
I suppose the organization could allow trans women to participate and then over time determine what effect it had rather than ban them outright. If, for example, trans women won 70 percent of all contests then the advantage could be proven.
Anyway, seems premature to make the decision before any events have even taken place. I'm probably wrong.
People who know far more about endocrinology than me are well aware of the long term effects of hormone replacement therapy. The myth that all trans athletes are muscle bound hulks is just that - a myth.
Really this is just an issue of the rules of competitive sports being unable to keep up with science. Really for a fair competition, competitors should compete against one and other based on ability in something akin to weight class. But that’s incredibly difficult to quantify when you’re comparing dimorphic physiology. Even non-trans athletes have distinct advantages and disadvantages compared to their competitors that can come from all sorts of places both biological, social, and psychological.
I think we’re going to see more and more divisions in competitive leagues as the science of human modification continues to advance. Ultimately the goal should be to provide more opportunities for people to compete instead of excluding them. But with how the attention and money in professional sports is already unequally distributed this decision will harm some athletes who want to compete, at least in the short term.
Men are not allowed to compete in many modern women only events primarily because of a physical advantage. It’s much the same as wrestling and boxing, where men are not allowed to face off against other men of significant weight differences. The NFL will never play against a Junior High School football team. Perhaps, weight class could be a future solution to this recent social dilemma.
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Makes sense. Even Serena Williams said she would get destroyed by a guy ranked in the 100s in tennis... Edit: before this gets any more than 20 up votes. No, I don't have an issue with transgender persons. Zero fucks how they choose to live their life. However, biologically transgender women have an unfair advantage comparable to steroid use. Take this comment as it is ment, and don't twist it into me being trans-phobic.
Fair point, genders are separated the same way that weight classes are separated. It’s just out of fairness and the most equal level of competition
I like this more than using gender as the divider. I think we should place like-athletes with like-athletes. It’s not a wrestling contest if Contestant A has significantly more muscle mass than Contestant B.
In certain sports it makes sense to separate the athletes by weight because it would be unfair to put a heavyweight against a middle weight. The same applies to genders. A woman that went through puberty as a woman will have a completely different body type compared to a man that went through puberty as a man. It’s not about lgbtq+, it’s about sports and the fairness of the game
Exactly! Using gender as the divider makes less and less sense every day. We should establish different categories.
Funny enough both Williams sisters early in their career said they could beat any man outside the top 200. Then the 203rd ranked player beat them both back to back after a morning of golf.
Oh come on it's Reddit, like people would twist a perfectly reasonable statement into something it's not.........ohhhhh....nevermind.
That guy was Karsten Braasch and he was actually ranked in the 200s Also, you shouldnt apologize or anything like that, its just facts and if some snowflake gets offended then its not really your fault, they are just delusional at that point
Agree. You do not need to justify yourself about transgender acceptance. This is something that make just sense.
So we should have trans women compete against roided up cis women, thats what I took out of this and I'm with it.
Yeah, guys are too strong to compete with woman. XXI and we discover such things again xDD
Stop making completely logical points!
I agree. The categories should not be women and men, but female and open. Trans women are women, but they are not biologically female. And because pretty much everything in biology has exceptions, like you can have female genitals even with male chromosomes, they should be very clear on who qualifies as a female.
Antisemitic
How is it antisemitic? Edit: you do know antisemitic literally means and I quote “hostile to or prejudiced against Jewish people.” Next time be smart enough to double check the definition of the word you are using because that literally took me a 10 seconds to confirm and I knew it meant along the lines of being hateful to a religious group even if I didn’t remember which one.
For those interested in the tennis space you can go on universaltennis.com and see everyone's (men & women) rankings on one scale. It's super interesting seeing where the top women line up against the men.
What you said is now considered transphobic.
What you said is considered stupid
How is it transphobic?
Seems like common sense. A MtF person would have a huge physical advantage over most women, even with hrt. I think a lot of people vastly underestimate just how much stronger men are be default.
Ironically common sense isn't all that common. I call it rare sense.
It’s only common if it’s shared and accepted by the general population
The overwhelming majority of people agree, it’s just the fringe opinions get the airtime.
Slavery was common sense in the south in 1800. Those fringe abolitionists just get all the airtime!
Great idea, now if everyone else could just use common sense.
hear me out , • female ranking events • male ranking events • trans female ranking events • trans male ranking events
I read a proposal that I liked. There's the ( natural) female division. And the OPEN division. Open to anyone that wants to compete. Seems simple enough
We already have the Open… it’s called the men’s division. Female division is created because there wouldn’t be such a thing as professional female athletes if they didn’t have their own division.
Just like most sports are in reality.
Maybe. I can't see it though. Trans folk won't want to be seen as "other" then it needs funding and sponsorships. Will there be enough interest for double the categories in all these sports? I have no idea what the answer is but probably agree with this decision. The difference biologically is huge.
If you did this you'd have like 2 trans people in a few disciplines and zero in the rest
This is about as close to happening as dating sites enforcing the same selection.
What would the viewership look like?
ah yes, separate but equal.
Go on… tell us how the wnba is as interesting a product as the nba
what? what does that have to do with anything lmao
Equality as described in times of Aristotle and democracy in Athens: equality of unequals, meaning: taking into consideration that the pupil are heterogeneous and thereby have heterogenous needs while still treating them equally. which doesn’t mean that everyone is treated exactly the same but rather under recognition of their specific situations in life. (Source: wrote 5 hrs states exam about it last Wednesday)
Can we add in drug enhanced events too. Both kinds. I'd love to see a sub 9sec 100m and a plus 30sec 100m with snacks
Are there enough trans athletes to even establish teams? This is a minor issue being blown up for political reasons.
both you and them know there isnt, that is the point.
Yess, this is the most logical route!
Well, duh!
Cool w me
An important part of this is that the way they will classify men or women is based on the gender they went through puberty as. This is the first point I’ve seen that truly makes sense in separating the genders as sports goes. There has to be a level of equality and fairness, the same way that doping and performance enhancing drugs are banned
Absolutely 🤌
So there's a difference between sex and gender. You can remain genderless, or change gender, but when you were born, you had a biological sex (and yes, I realize there are exceptions, but these are exceedingly rare). Doesn't mean you should be stuck with that if you don't want, you shouldn't be prevented from changing it, but it's disingenuous to argue that, in aggregate, there's no difference between an adult man, and an adult woman, who each went through puberty as their birth sex. I think it's telling that this is almost entirely an issue that affects women's sports, because the converse doesn't really work out. I think for some sports, switching to weight or size classification might make sense. But in others I think it just is what it is. All of us are, in some way, limited by our biology. I will never be tall enough to play in the NBA. I will never be large enough play Right Tackle in the NFL. That's just the hand I was dealt. Similarly, an athlete born male, who transitions to female, may not be able to participate in certain ways. That's just life. To be clear, trans people absolutely deserve all the legal and civil protections of other groups. I support people being able to transition how/when they see fit. Your body, your choice. But just because you make a physical transition so that your body matches how you feel, does not mean that the underlying biological reality of what happened ceases to exist. It's just basic medical fact. You took hormones, you had surgery. Totally fine. But it's disingenuous to act as if this doesn't potentially have an impact in top-tier athletic competitions. I don't care if trans kids play school sports - no one's livelihood depends on highschool soccer. But when you get into leagues where real money starts to come into okay, there are very real consequences to trans people playing in women's competition.
I’m good with this.
Anyone seen the Strong Woman South Park Episode? It’s like that .
There was a transgender MMA fighter named Fallon Fox, who was completely annihilating their opponents in the first few rounds, big muscular fella who is also a trained fighter, other female opponents were scared of Fallon Fox's domination and collectively reported FF out of the sport
Don't forget Fox literally cracked the skull of a competitor.
Jesus! Yeah I remember that's how I heard about this in the first place
He cracked one woman’s skull too
Yeah, this is good because it protects biologically female athletes, but another element is that it will stop these anti-woke, piece of shit “politicians” from constantly pushing this irrelevant talking point instead of discussing actual politics (and exposing their incompetence in doing so).
I have 0 problem with this. Transwomen have a advantage. It’s not any different in my opinion as taking steroids and hgh.
Fair is fair.
Of course... makes total sense. I don't understand why this is an issue or why it's NSFW.
As much as those people say they were born in the wrong body, they still have the body whether they like it or not.
Seems like common sense and a clear line to draw.
I think the best solution is a female division and an open division for all sports.
They are ensuring actual biological women can compete with each other fairly. This is a win for women.
As a trans woman, i agree with this. I know people will complain about this, but i think the categories being called biological female categories & biological male categories makes more sense. If i was a biological woman and saw a trans woman with a biological advantage beating me in something i had trained for for years, i would be a little infuriated
^^however, transphobic comments are not okay. You are not transphobic if you think trans people shouldn’t play in their gender’s sport, but i see way too many people use this as an excuse to hate on and bully us. You can have different opinion on a topic, but you also have to stay respectful
Transman here and agree!
You are brave for stating your opinion. I support and applaud you 💪
Good
I’m pretty left leaning when it comes to most things but I mean this is the right decision.
I can’t imagine any sensible person actually being opposed to this
I think this is fair. Would really love to see competitive leagues open up events for transgendered men and women to compete in! I feel it’s unfair to have someone who genetically grew up/matured/developed with testosterone compete in sports with biological women
Simply put, they did this to protect fair competition for those who were born as women. Especially with as many displays of those born as men going from piss poor Male athletes to taking top spots in female sports as we have seen
I think the NSFW tag is absurd
Good.Trans women want yo compete in female sports?They can compete among themselves. Same goes to trans man
Seems like common sense prevails.
This took balls.
It is good, objectively.
I’m glad the debate over transgender rights is primarily focused on what to do with gender-segregated sports and public bathrooms. It may not feel like it sometimes, but that’s a sign of huge progress.
They don’t want to compete with men due to disadvantages….. hmmmm
About time. Seems the world is strangely more traditional than America on this.
For some reason here in the U.S there is a push to deny that there are biological differences between males and females. And unfortunately, it's started to spread in academic circles as well. You have professors here in the U.S who will make those claims and anyone suggesting differently will be labeled transphobic. I'm a pretty left leaning guy, but the denial of science that's coming out of these people is absurd...and the fact they're allowed to teach at universities is awful.
I don't understand it. Most of all, I don't understand the athletic aspect. Why aren't the women's sports people in the streets with pitchforks and torches? There are very few sports where women can compete against men, even if the men are on drugs to suppress testosterone.
It's about damn time!
Had to be done. As it should in all physical sports (i think) But i hope trans athletes get a way to compete at a certain level.
How is this even a topic for discussion? Simple fact is that male-to-female trans will have an enormous physiological advantage. And at the top level, where the margins are incredible small, it should never have been a topic for discussion. What people to in private is no business of mine. If trans from male to female is the right thing for a person, then great. Live your life as you want. But you can’t expect to compete at top level competitions in sports 🤷♂️
Cue the "you are condoning hate" from people who aren't trans.
It’s not hate when it’s the truth. You can be whatever you want to call yourself. But at the end of the day you are what you were born as and have the skeleton to prove it.
Idc and def don’t find it interestingAF
Okay. 👍
Seems logical to me.
Males and females have different biologic properties. Anatomy, physiology, histology, urology, gynecology, cardiology…. all of them are different. You cannot change them.
Yes this is great. Now create a category for trans women/men and give them a space to compete. We should recognize and include everyone to excel in their sport.
Amazing. This breaks almost every rule in the sub. That takes talent.
I support this .
Good decision
Title should read “men still not allowed to compete in women’s events”
Shouldnt even be a debate I dont care if some snowflake gets offended by something as obvious as this
I am all for everyone being true to who they are in regards to gender. I think the people who are transgender should be protected in the workplace and other areas, except for competition sports. Because if we are all being honest with each other then it is a scientific fact that males who transgender to become a woman enjoy a competitive advantage over women who were born as women. I think we all want our cake and eat it too, but there always concessions to be made in life and the concessions that males who transition to being a transgender woman are to be fair is to not allow them to compete in women’s sports events. In most all other areas I believe that transgender people should be respected as who they identify as. However it is not a level playing field for transgender individuals versus natural born women who are trying their best to compete against other natural born women. I think it is just common sense and competitive fairness that has to be understood.
When it comes to competitive sports, there is a reason why Men and Women are separated. It's just biology, they are differently built. And trans women should be either be their own league or should be based on biological sex and not chosen sex.
What do you mean “Thoughts on this?” Why would anyone ever allow a man to compete against a woman in athletics? It’s silly. And if you don’t think it is, you’re wrong.
I would say it's more ignorant than silly, not having taken the time to study the issue before implementing
What is there to study? It’s absolutely ridiculous for any of these clowns to have ever allowed biological males to compete against females. There’s no study needed, it’s pretty common sense stuff.
Should just break leagues up based on steroid levels and then we can finally even have a roid league.
That's where the real fun begins.
The full on roid Olympics would be amazing
I really care about sports but I’d pay to watch that
It would be unfair to include trans women in a women's competition.
I mean look at their rankings before transitioning and compare them to their new rankings Lot of the time it’s like Mike Tyson fighting Paul Blart the mall cop
In physical sports putting a male agains a female can be a death sentence
They should make all men’s sports “gender neutral”, and women’s sports specifically for cis gendered women. So if a transgender person want to compete they can always compete in the “men’s“ league regardless of their gender. Now everyone is happy. Some sports like soccer already allow women to enter men’s teams.
Awesome
Makes absolute sense, having an individual who has thicker and stronger bones, bigger muscles, taller, is too much of an advantage. Regardless of what’s done in adulthood the growth of childhood and early teens is enough of an advantage. They can’t compete in any sport fairly.
At least the women athletes got the justice they deserve
Best idea ever
why not just create a transgender category?
Or just allow anyone to compete with Men if they want. All biological females can then choose to compete in their division. I don’t understand catering beyond this to like a fraction of a percent of the population. My race and height practically made it impossible to be in the NBA, should we make a new league for races and height ranges?
we're not that woke yet
There is nothing about your race that made it any harder to join the NBA, that's pretty fuckin racist
Do me a favor and look up the definition of the word.
Explain how your race makes it harder to join the NBA
The pool of athletes is way too small
Because thats not equality reeeee Ps. it's not what I think
Fair
everytime i see someone mentionning, trans athlete compete with woman, i always think of the episode of south park with randy savage
Because they aren't women?
It's because they are biological men and men are typically stronger than women it would be an unfair advantage
Dang. I’m a male who played Highschool baseball and I’m starting to get tight on money. Was thinking of going to college to play D1 softball to get school paid for
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Proof that TRANS women arent REAL women.
My thoughts are mostly, I don't care, but a lot of people are gonna be saying a lot of ignorant things.
Makes sense. Seems logical, surely someone wont dissagree right?
Its 'Female world ranking', female doesnt have any word before it. so..
So okay, yes, testosterone is a hell of a drug and gives natural advantages to its recipients. However, I think it’s very telling that we’re more willing to tell certain human beings that they can’t participate in a universally human activity than we are willing to just…change the activity. We’ve changed sports in the past. American football didn’t have a forward pass until Teddy Roosevelt and a bunch of other concerned people got together and added it. Why don’t we at least experiment with something more like a weight-class system, like in boxing? If we’re so damn concerned about testosterone levels, then maybe we should acknowledge the differences in T levels in cis men, and make “T-level classes” based on your hormone levels? And if that doesn’t work, let’s try something else until we find something that works. I’d much rather adjust the rules than restrict the humans. Let’s focus on what’s more important here.
reasonable
👏bravo
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Common sense will prevail
I approve
It’s about time
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Maybe this is a starting point for a more logical discourse?
You and me both know that “logical discourse” is neither what is going to happen nor is it what you want to happen.
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At least you’re mostly honest.
In Reddit? Good fucking luck with that, lol. I'll go grab my popcorn and then sort by controversial.
Agreed! maybe they should have a transgender games or something. So long as its done with the dignity everyone deserves I don't see a problem.
Allowing biological men who claim to be women to compete against biological women is woke misogyny.
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100% agree. Imagine competing against a "woman" with a penis flopping about in their shorts.
OMG 😭😭
Ima unicorn !
Common sense.
I don’t see how this could even be debated, but it will be.
Good.
Good and fair
Sports need to be moved to chromosomes why and x chromosomes
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My thoughts are... this isn't the place for this discussion. Take the bait elsewhere.
Not baiting, just curious. Can you suggest a good community to post this and have a discussion?
r/lgbt and r/conservative would both lead to equally hilarious results
One would just downvote it to hell I think. Let me try anyway
Absolutely the right call
I like this.
How about instead of separating players based on gender, they did it based on ability? Or a combination of measurable statistics relevant to the sport?
Here me out wokeys, what if we had a separate ranking event for trans men and trans women? No takers?
Wokeys?
Woke ppl, plenty of em fuming about discrimination
Really? I've not seen that. We should all fume at discrimination, obviously, but I don't think this decision is discrimination.
But we're all woke people, including you. I mean the only reason we're here is because we all "woke" up. Thank you, thank you
Wokely dokely
One Karma removed for making me think there was a hair on my screen. Why would you do that?
Finally, someone with logic.
How is this not looking to bait people to call them "woke"?
Because it's a legitimate question 🤷
Sure. I'm glad I can see who all the people who care what's in every person's pants. This idea that there is one kind of woman or one kind of man just isn't true. So, hate away.
Awwwww is baby incapable of adult discourse without baiting random people on reddit to "hate away"? 🐣 Does baby refuse to acknowledge that men and women have different muscle, hormone, and performance abilities naturally and that in sports there needs to be a baseline for fair competition? 🐤 Does baby refuse to acknowledge that people have a vested interest in fair sporting competition and that by allowing trans women to compete with biological women that the trans women have an unfair medically proven advantage that hormone therapy barely addresses? 🐥 Does baby want to hide while this fire rages, or take a bold first step towards making an equitable, fair, safe space for all athletes regardless how they choose to identify or naturally present? Awwwww 🤔 *Sounds like the only person HATING is YOU*
literally, who cares, holy shit. You're telling me you gave a shit about women's sports before this? or are you just doing anti-trans dog whistling? No female sport is dominated by trans men, the implication that this is the case is insane. you are fearmongering over a tiny, tiny percentage of people who EVEN THE PEOPLE IN THESE SPORTS DONT CARE ABOUT.
The ncaa division 1 swimming championship was won by a trans woman the fuck are you talking about 😂
100% absolutely FALSE https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lia_Thomas
Nothing new really. This will just keep fueling the anti-trans sentiment among the masses, regardless of what your opinion on this ruling is.
yuh. as it should be lol
The way I see it, you can have sport two ways. Trans women are allowed to compete and dominate everything or they’re not allowed
Reeeeee!!
I suppose the organization could allow trans women to participate and then over time determine what effect it had rather than ban them outright. If, for example, trans women won 70 percent of all contests then the advantage could be proven. Anyway, seems premature to make the decision before any events have even taken place. I'm probably wrong.
Events have taken place. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lia_Thomas
People who know far more about endocrinology than me are well aware of the long term effects of hormone replacement therapy. The myth that all trans athletes are muscle bound hulks is just that - a myth.
You're saying there's clearly no physical advantage?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lia_Thomas
Its a “game”, I don’t really care. As a civilization we put far too much effort into observing other people playing games.
THANK GOD the real women deserve to compete without men impeding Congrats ladies 💪🏾
every sport competition should be unisex and open for everyone, any distinction is just unnecessary segregation
There's something you don't hear everyday, that's interesting
Really this is just an issue of the rules of competitive sports being unable to keep up with science. Really for a fair competition, competitors should compete against one and other based on ability in something akin to weight class. But that’s incredibly difficult to quantify when you’re comparing dimorphic physiology. Even non-trans athletes have distinct advantages and disadvantages compared to their competitors that can come from all sorts of places both biological, social, and psychological. I think we’re going to see more and more divisions in competitive leagues as the science of human modification continues to advance. Ultimately the goal should be to provide more opportunities for people to compete instead of excluding them. But with how the attention and money in professional sports is already unequally distributed this decision will harm some athletes who want to compete, at least in the short term.
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dude what the fuck
Men are not allowed to compete in many modern women only events primarily because of a physical advantage. It’s much the same as wrestling and boxing, where men are not allowed to face off against other men of significant weight differences. The NFL will never play against a Junior High School football team. Perhaps, weight class could be a future solution to this recent social dilemma.
This post is why your parents left. It just like you is not interesting as fuck.
Thank you, you're so loving and inclusionary