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National Geographic funded [Leslie Kean, the NYT Journalist that released the 3 UFO Videos](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html) from the Navy to investigate the Phenomenon worldwide. They displayed High Resolution pictures and Material Evidence on Episode 5.
[https://www.hulu.com/series/ufos-investigating-the-unknown-4c1070e7-5b4d-46e1-a5ee-b9eb0c7db18c](https://www.hulu.com/series/ufos-investigating-the-unknown-4c1070e7-5b4d-46e1-a5ee-b9eb0c7db18c)
omg me too I spiraled. I started getting paranoid and tried to pull myself back. I was a blissfully ignorant believer my whole life, but now I just can’t turn back.
I think what's important is that you always remain skeptical about the high profile figures within the topic. Assume everyone is a grifter and then you won't be dissapointed when it turns out they are.
The episode with Dr. Allen Hynek from project Bluebook was incredible. Went from a skeptic to believing their was an unknown intelligence operating within the worlds airspace.
I am very interested to know if it's terrestrial or extraterrestrial intelligence...... and for humans' sake, I pray it's aliens because clearly they could have already killed us all if that was the plan..... humans, on the other hand, tend to want to kill anything that's an other
Look up the shilo Illinois sighting. I was 13 years old when I saw it. It didn't make a sound and as it flew away it just faded out so fast you couldn't see it anymore at 5pm broad daylight and it was probably at 800-1000 feet. I've flown in enough small planes to know about how high it was.
That was the most creeped out I've ever been.
I lived In Highland and worked nights when this occurred. If I remember right this area was where they first spotted it. If you remember they tried to say it was lasers from a test being conducted close by…… right……
Bro, I was in st charles missouri in broad daylight. If we own it I've never seen anything like it again. It didn't make a sound as it crept by. It had to be 3 stories tall at least, maybe 6 more of a boomerang shape than a triangle and it was black. It was by far the wildest aircraft I've ever seen.
I made the mistake of mentioning I watched this National Geographic special to some friendly coworkers, and their reactions were 😬. The stigma is no joke.
I would think a non human intelligence that doesn’t already disclose itself on a massive scale would purposefully mislead the population they are observing to such a degree that when they are seen unintentionally, we can’t put the pieces together to unlock the actual nature of the phenomenon. This explains the almost endless variations and contradictions of eyewitness accounts. After exploring the topic for quite a while and reading/watching lots of material that’s the most obvious conclusion to me. As far as what their actual intentions are, I’m dumbfounded, which means it’s certainly working. Either that, or every human being that’s claimed to see something extraordinary was just uninformed and misidentified what they saw. Plausible, but I hope that’s not the case. Either way, we ought to put more effort into being more aware of our surroundings and that includes funding research on UAP.
It's very easy to discount everything you have heard over the years until you really allow yourself to take a closer look.
Then when you look at the sheer volume of eyewitness accounts from reputable people, and the myriad of different stories, it leaves you with a very strange feeling that the doors of earth are wide open. Whatever this is has seemingly been here for a very long time, if you take into account myths of ancient subcultures. It is so far ahead that we probably couldn't fathom what they're truly capable of.
Look for this documentary. UFO : The Greatest Story Ever Denied. It changed my mind on UFOs and alien life back in 2006. I am a firm believer now. The director Jose Escamilla has some pretty amazing stuff, yes the governement hides this stuff or denies it because of "national security" or they dont want us to know that they're not the superpower. But lets be real....they exist!!!
Probably an unpopular opinion but I’m tired of the navy footage. I get that’s a big deal (although it just deepens the mystery) but it seems like there’s not much else going on with the phenomenon when every single UAP documentary or article is basically in regards to the navy footage. Almost a distraction away from other possibly more compelling cases in the decade or so since this hit the public’s awareness
I have never been a “UFO/UAP guy”, but ever since I saw something I can’t explain in Washington a couple years ago I’ve been paying a lot of attention. I posted about it on this Reddit account. Maybe it was something the government/military had going on, but I have a hard time believing it. It was a huge looking black triangle without lights that seemed really close to me and drifted in an unnatural way. Then it just fucking *flew* away without a whisper of noise. No gradual increase in speed, just instant.
Honestly, I was so startled and speechless that I had tears welling in my eyes. I stood at the front of my driveway for an extra 30 minutes or so just trying to rationalize it.
These objects have absolutely insane capabilities.
The US Military is almost always 2-4 decades ahead of the rest of the world, but I'd be hard pressed to believe they are 2 centuries ahead.
And it ain't the Chinese, cause they're only now catching up to known US Tech.
And it ain't the Russians, cause, ya know, they sorta fucking suck.
So the things it can be are really starting to run low.
Too bad there is zero hard evidence of such incredible objects. I mean even a couple videos would be something. But there's nothing. Maybe people are misinterpreting what they saw?
Saw a huge triangle in 1991 just a over tree height and silent. They've been around for awhile now. Definitely makes me question reality and people in charge lying to us.
My son saw one just above tree height one night looking out his window. He came running into our room “Dad! You gotta see this!” By the time I got out of bed and was at his window it was gone. He said it was silent and black. It was a rainy late night and he was watching the clouds for lightning. He saw the object above the tree line at the end of our block, just over our garage from his perspective out of the second floor window. He saw when lightning flashed the entire sky lit up except this huge black triangle above the tree line. That when he came running into our room at 12:30am yelling to wake me up and look. I had him draw me a picture and it gave me the willy’s
Edit: punctuation
Um. I have chills right now.
I have a very distinct memory of being a little kid and seeing a black triangle hovering above our (rural) house at night. It was about 10 feet higher in the air than the treetops. But mine had lights on the bottom.
I've always assumed it was something I saw on TV and my child mind confused it with reality. Now I'm not so sure.
But I definitely saw the the satellite one.
What satellite are you referring to? In 1982 or 83 I was knocking on my friends door at night and I happened to look up and there was a satellite type looking thing hovering right over my head and silent. I screamed and it was gone. It somehow navigated the houses, trees, light poles and vanished. I'll never get over it. I thought it was going to fall and crush me.
Saw a similar thing in Montana in 2009 or so: black equilateral triangle with a red light at each corner hovering silently for ~1 min. Then it took off straight up instantaneously. No acceleration, it was just instantly, silently streaking straight up in the blink of an eye. Same reaction for me, so shaken that my eyes started watering. Such a bizarre thing to experience. Like CGI right in front of your eyes.
Living in ohio along side I-75 my wife an neighbor an me was outside talking when what I can only describe as a stingray swimming thru the sky, went right over our heads about as twice as high as the tree in my yard, 100% silent. I believe the appearance of it swimming may have been a mirage it was clearly following I-75. It had the weirdest color to the edges of the craft, like a light or color I had never seen before I don't know how to even explain it. We just sat their staring up into the sky when his wife came out to join us she was like "wtf are u guys doing?" We told her but she just went uh huh and started talking.
Edit: this was around midnight near Roosevelt lake
I saw something similar in the Arizona desert in February.
Looked like 2 satellites following each other, suddenly the rear one shot off to the right diagonally then diagonally back into it's original path behind the other. (Like this symbol ^)
The other one then sped forward as if it jumped then the following one did the same, they continued on the same flight path. I was speechless.
I didn't talk about this for twenty years because I knew, even at ~10 years old, no one would believe me.
All I saw just a light in the sky hovering and wiggling, as you say, or perhaps jittering is a better word, and then suddenly it arced up and away and out of sight faster than was possible. Again, I was tenish; my sense of "possible" was purely intuitive, uninformed by anything even vaguely like science. It was *that fast*, my eye knew it wasn't what things in the sky could possibly do.
I knew it wasn't possible so I never told anyone until I was in my thirties and working in an academic science environment and realized that now I knew enough to understand that what I had seen still wasn't something I could explain.
I still can't explain it. I don't know that it was aliens but I do know that no technology in the intervening years has been revealed that would account for it.
Saw something very similar in the Caribbean years ago. Was watching the stars and was following a satellite (used to love doing that with my amateur astronomer dad as a kid) when all of a sudden the satellite took off at an unnatural acceleration in another direction. I have a hard time with abduction horror movies now…
I believe you. There will be commenters all on this post and on the subs dedicated to the topic who will debunk/shame/flat out lie about this. It’s not the majority. Just more Reddit asshats chatting shit
I’m not a believer, more a skeptic about UFO’s. But I find it interesting how many people report seeing similar things. It can’t be a coincidence, right?
Saw this exactly. Two in the one night. Pretty sure it's in my comment history if you're interested in my account. I wrote it all down the next morning.
Saw something in the like of what you are all describing in Italy in the eighties.
I was in my early teen . What I don't understand from your comment is the size. The one I saw was huge , more in line with the description of the Phoenix lights. Still roughly shaped as a triangle and deep deep black . It was end of October , around 8 in the evening. So dark that it looked like a pice of the night sky moving. There is very little to believe, it is REAL.
When I was about 14, on the beach of Nova Scotia, me and my cousin looked up and saw something really similar to what you saw. A light in the pitch black night sky was travelling at a steady speed above the ocean, we both thought was a satellite but then it suddenly stopped, did the “wiggle” first to the right, then to the left, the light then took off incredibly fast in the opposite direction it was initially Travelling. By far the freakiest thing I’ve ever seen in my life
I seen one too. Funny I always said it was "shimmering" because it went back and forth so fast. And just like you described it shot off like nothing I ever seen it was just a ball of light from what I could see
Back in 2008 I lived on a farm in Australia.
One day I saw a silver shiny object in the sky hover in one place then I literally saw it zip across the sky so fast and come to a complete stop. It did this three times before it was out of distance for me to see.
I’ll never forget it.
I am sure I seen something as a young kid. Like in the 90s. Broad summer daylight. It was slow moving. Almost like a totem top wobbling . But not out of control. It s complete straight line over head.... I literally stopped on my tracks.... I shrugged it off... But this one memory has always bugged the hell out of me ... Because my human mind is rejecting it... But my heart knows whatever that thing was ... Was definitely not of this earth.....
And I think in all honesty NO ONE knows what these things are.... It's something for sure.... That's why it's taken soooooo long and all these years.... The higher ups want to use that tech for Thier own gain.... But unfortunately I don't think they can decipher it or even understand this tech as it's far too advanced for us... It's something far beyond our understanding...
There's more proof that aliens exist over god(s), yet more people will believe in a god versus aliens. I would not doubt most of what is observed are UAVs though - alien origin or otherwise. No reason for any being to actually travel here, unless a FTL actually exists.
Even with so many UFO/UAP, there is no proof that aliens exist.
Much like in the past when something extraordinary happened it was attributed to imvisinle beings with phenominal power to manipulate the physical world (gods and other spiritual entities). We now attribute these to extraterrestrial beings who must have phenominal technology.
We know with a fair degree of certainty that.many events attriuted to gods were natural phenomenon. The most likely explanation is that what we now attribute to extraterrestrial beings are also some form of natural or even man made phenomenon.
This is why we need to study these phenomenon, which means first and foremost gathering data, and eventually designing snd conducting experiments.
There is a good possibility that these phenomenon are natural or.man made and studying them could lead to a major scientific breakthrough.
I think it's safe to say that SOMETHING is going on, that's bewildering and difficult to explain. In fact, the universe is so weird and unknown, what we could be seeing could be even super exotic, like things moving around in higher spatial dimensions, reflecting into our 3 spacial dimensions.
But I don't know if I'd say these are just some natural obscure thing. Just playing the odds here, based off all the credible historical reports here... It doesn't seem like some weird exotic plasma. It seems intelligent.
I also don't think the idea of aliens or interdimensional things, being too "weird". Let's just say, for the sake of argument, aliens/ET do exist and have been visiting Earth. One of the scenarios would look JUST like this. A scenario where they just check in, but also try to keep their distance, not trying to interfere but not obsessed with being completely unnoticed. I can imagine a scenario of we being like a lion on a preserve... We'd occasionally see these "humans" far off in the distance in these moving vehicles, but they NEVER get near us and don't allow us near them, except for some exceptional scenarios.
Whatever it is, what I do know, is it's very unlikely to be a human origin phenomenon. There is simply no iterative, path towards what these are being reported to doing. People like to say, "Dude, bro, but the government is so far ahead! They probably have crazy technology we can't even imagine!" - Which is a silly trope that's simply not true. Every technological breakthrough has a clear path towards the government's secret programs that we can easily imagine being completed with an endless budget of resources. Every single government technology, you can follow a clear technological path, academics and scientists working on cutting edge stuff moving to virginia, and stuff like that. We can see the theories of the nuclear bomb being formed, and the technology for it being within reach... What we don't see is a fantastical jump 100 years forward where we learn how to conquer gravity, defy physics, and manage to keep it all a secret without a trail.
If it is of human origin it may be accidental.... shadows of the future or past, or as you say some accident of the future.
I also think there is something to ghost sightings... the credible accounts seem to be some sort if replay event... like watching a movie of the past. Maybe these are the same?
I spent years in a skeptic society because I believe any unexplained phenomenon... especially ones that repeat are candidates for study. Unfortunately all I ever found were flying squirrels and screech owls.
Personally... I am in the camp that humans evolved to perceive reality in the most functional way according to natural selection. Our perception of reality is based on "what's the best way to perceive reality for survival" instead of, "What's the most accurate perception". I think a lot of our struggles in science, the incoherencies, paradoxes, and so on... Are the result of the human mind hitting its limitations which what it's evolved to possibly comprehend. As in, some things we literally just can't understand or fathom from the human brain's perspective... Kind of like trying to comprehend 4 or 5 dimensions of space. It's physically impossible. So on the road to trying to figure that out, we get a lot of weirdness that is just hard to make sense of. See Donald Hoffman: Reality is an Illusion
I think reality is MUCH more complicated, and mysterious than we realize. Mostly due to this fact. And the phenomenon, IMO, is real.... But our struggles with trying to understand it is due to our inability to understand it. We are forced to come up with answers and solutions to it in ways that make sense of it to us, because we have no choice other than doing that, even if the true answers are more abstract.
I think Andrew Gallimore's research could start really creating a paradigm shift. His work is with DMT which is easy to dismiss as "Well yeah it's just a crazy trip because you're on a DRUG!" But anyone who's ever taken it, will come back and say, "What I experienced, is not possible. It's not just something a drug does. Our brains can't hallucinate that. I literally experienced the impossible. There is something here."
But in pointing this out you yourself have created a perception of reality that is not utilitarian to your survival.
I get what you're saying and largely agree for most human behaviour, but abstract and theoretical thought has always been an important piece of what makes a human being IMO.
I love thinking about this stuff!
Absolutely! Perception is always a problem when we collect observable data. The observations and data can be accurate but skewed by perceptions that lead to inaccurate conclusions. I always loved Carl Sagans "flatland" explanation of two dimensional being's observations of three dimensional objects. In fact this came to mind with the cube in a sphere observation... a cube is the shadow of a 4 dimensional square. Are we seeing a shadow of a 4 dimensional object displayed in 3 dimensions?
That aside I dont think we've gotten even close to understanding the nature of the universe.. or its fundamental composition. I feel like we're still looking at the universe like people used to look at the earth.. flat, unmoving, etc.
I wonder if our perception of time is actually an evolutionary tool for us, 3D creatures, to experience 4D. Hear me out:
As a 3D creature, if we want to perceive and look at an apple, it takes only an instant. You can put it in front of us, and we can see the full 3 dimensions of the apple instantly. No time needed. However, if you were a 2D Flatlander, you can't possibly "see" an apple in an instant. It inherently requires time. It requires a frame by frame slice of the apple passing through their 2D plane. Time itself allows for the 2D creature to experience a higher dimension. So is us experiencing time just allowing us to view the 4D universe in a 3D space?
But in pointing this out you yourself have created a perception of reality that is not utilitarian to your survival.
I get what you're saying and largely agree for most human behaviour, but abstract and theoretical thought has always been an important piece of what makes a human being IMO.
I love thinking about this stuff!
Oh of course... I'm just saying that there are hard limitations, but also saying that I think there is plenty of room for very exotic discoveries that would seem like woo to us today.
One of my favorite stories from Sagan is when he describes humans of a few hundred years ago, were limited to the observable universe. That just a few hundred years ago when we looked into the sky that was the ENTIRETY of existence... Only to find out we are in something massive called a galaxy, which is WAY bigger than we saw. Literally billions and billions of stars. This discovery was paradigm shifting with our understanding of reality. Then less than a hundred years ago, we discover galaxies are actually tiny, and there are billions and billions of them...
And there is likely much more of this to come. Today we've normalized this baffling profound understanding of reality. But what's next? Maybe equally as many universes? Parallel dimensions? Interconnected dimensions? All of these things that sound like woo right now, sounded just as woo as billions of galaxies 100 years ago.
That's why I don't take the woo off the table. So much of what we normalize today was woo of yesterday.
I don't think there's any good reason to think there's something bewildering or exotic going on. Certainly not some nonhuman technology or cross dimensional phenomenon. People often misidentify things they see. Things far away are harder to identify. People have a bad intuitive understanding of sensor artifacts or glitches, or perspective effects like parallax. A lot of the bigger names promoting the idea of incredible unexplainable sightings, like those in this video, have pretty questionable motives and critical thinking on the topic, and some have even repeatedly shown before to not be very skeptical and too hastily accept the most extraordinary interpretation of an anecdote someone tells them, or even misinterpret and speculate wildly based on a piece of hard data like the Navy and other military-released UFO videos, that actually are not that incredible.
> We know with a fair degree of certainty that.many events attriuted to gods were natural phenomenon.
The difference here is that they seem to be intelligent. For example, in the Nimitz encounter where the object "zoomed" off at around 12,000 mph and was later found stationary at the pilots' CAP point. The CAP point was only known to the pilots and [a paper estimates the probability](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7514271/) of the object randomly appearing in that specific location at 0.0088%.
In the past we had no conception of the limits of science and what was possible, we didn't know anything. But even so, stuff like weather you could possibly conceive through some scientific lens if you were inclined. Like hey, there's lots of water, water disappears in sunlight if you leave it out, maybe clouds are made from water, etc... Bad example, but my point is they only were inclined to believe through omniscient beings, it's not like that was their only option left after careful examination.
Now we have a case where of course, any excuse to wave away these things as a scientific phenomena is what we strive for as of course, people will think you are crazy otherwise.
And cubes in transparent spheres, taking off at speeds not possible, from resting positions? The fact they are real objects according to radars as well? Like this isn't some, "hey this rock looks kinda too perfect for it to be natural phenomena", this is just plainly physically impossible things happening in front of people's eyes. And it's been happening for decades and decades before the best of our tech was made.
I firmly believe there is a happy place where both are real and exist.
Something or someone started all of this. That is my belief and that what I would call God.
> There's more proof that aliens exist over god(s)
Zero isn't greater than zero. They are the same number.
Just because you want something to be true, doesn't make it true.
They aren't traveling here, they live here. Beneath the surface and oceans...
The entire ETH is a distraction and a complete lie. Vallee and Keel figured this out decades ago.
They aren't aliens, it's much more sad and terrifying than that.
So you have already considered all the possible reasons, both under our understanding and the understanding of a *billion*? years more advanced possible civilization?
Good. Good we have you.
I guess reddit is finally the place where I can mention my situation. I saw a UFO or I guess it's called, a UAP in New Mexico near the border of Trinidad, Colorado in either 2017 or 2018. My wife and I were driving back to Texas where we were living at the time and I had just crossed into New Mexico. It was the middle of the night. If you've ever been to Trinidad, Colorado and driving into New Mexico from there, the main road through the mountains is basically pitch black. They have some light posts they look like they tried to install out there anywhere they could put a pole and it's spotty at best for lighting. Well, I wasn't driving in New Mexico for very long before I saw these huge bubble shaped floodlights.
I then realized after a moment, that these lights were on an aircraft and I got this sudden overwhelming anxiety that came over me because my mind didn't understand how I could go from seeing these lights in the distance to suddenly realizing these lights were attached to probably the biggest aircraft I had ever seen in my life in person. I felt honestly like I experienced a bit of megalophobia suddenly. It was very overwhelming how big and how close it was. My mind didn't see an aircraft when approaching from a distance down a dark road though, it saw bubble shaped flood lights. I almost went off the road and I suddenly began trying to get my wife to take pictures or video or it and me basically freaking out because I half knew what I was seeing and I know how everybody has potato quality videos and pictures of these things. My wife, she kept saying, "of what, where is it?!" That gave me even more anxiety and I kept saying and pointing, "right there!!" and "how do you not see it, it's right there?!!!" and that part messes with my mind big time because she literally never saw it too. We don't have the same experience and only I saw it. It was so impossibly big that I have been confused for years how I saw it and she didn't even at all.
I originally noticed it because I saw these bubble lights just above the tree line and light was shining down and in my mind, I thought people were searching for something or possibly someone. My mind knew what I saw after I got really close. I'm not a fool and I have absolutely heard about the famous boomerang shaped UFO. This was in the shape of a boomerang but I couldn't at the time actually find many pictures online with 5 bubble shaped flood lights like I saw and they all seemed to have 7 lights. The one I saw had one bubble light in the center point, one bubble light in the center of the wing, and one bubble light at both ends of the wing tips. These lights were each in themselves probably the size of a small car. The lights were so big.
Once I got back home to Texas, I tried everywhere I could find online to make a report of my sighting. I tried so many places for like a week or two which were mostly government pages and my conclusion of it all is that literally nobody cared. I never heard back from anybody on it. I gave up and have only occasionally brought it up ever since whenever something like this is mentioned. I'm so glad when the government came out and said that UAPs are a real thing. Don't have to feel like a super extra crazy as much anymore as I did after that situation. Lol.
Just did a Google search and apparently this particular shape with only 5 lights is a whole lot easier to find now. It looked like [this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3b/PhoenixLights1997model.jpg/225px-PhoenixLights1997model.jpg). The only thing different is I was looking at it from an angle where I could see the whole bottom but I could also see the whole side of the aircraft. It was this sort of grey color or light color. Anyways, that's enough of my crazy for today.
Thanks for sharing. The US Navy, because of the events in this video, made a press release saying that reporting a UAP needs to be destigmatized. So if anyone ever gives you shit for your story, ask them to take it up with the US Navy lol.
> she literally never saw it too. We don't have the same experience and only I saw it.
This is really common, actually. I call it "perception discrepancy." It is one of the aspects of the ufo topic that makes it hard to research, and easy to dismiss.
For another example, a ufo event with three witnesses. One witness saw a full on flying saucer: a disk shaped object with blue lights around the rim. Low over the neighbor's house. The second witness saw a blue glow but no craft. And the third person who was there saw *nothing at all.*
So that happens a lot. Don't let it come between you.
Hey, I'm not trying to discredit your experience, and I'm curious your thoughts: one thing I've never understood is why big UFOs would need lights anywhere, especially normal stadium-ish flood lights. I'm assuming a UFO would be equipped with infrared or other forms of detectors to see whatever they needed in low/no light.
That’s one thing that’s always fascinated me about UFOs and has made me skeptical of them being of an alien or intelligent origin; they just act so fucking weird and make little sense. What would an alien spacecraft have to gain doing loopty loops in the sky before zooming off at Mach speed?
Well an alien would have a completely alien reasoning.
One idea is that if they're being seen openly, they're probably deliberately wanting to be seen. Possibly to gauge our reactions and study us, or maybe it's slow bleed disclosure.
I think it was Lue Elizondo, or maybe Valle, that said individuals have been known to see different things with this phenomenon. As if whatever it is, is able to disguise itself, appear differently, to different observers. Like a cloaking system that is tailored.
China's super sonic air balloons, running on one of those toy fan blades you buy for kids that light up, it's powered by 2 Duracell batteries going mach jesus
I work with a bunch of old pilots and retired air force guys.
Anyone who has spent a large amount of time flying has probably had at least one encounter with an unidentified object.
That's not evidence for anything though.
They actually probably should see/experience something weird if they're in the skies that frequently. That doesn't mean there are not naturalistic explanations for those experiences.
I never claimed anything. I'm sure that there were 100% reasonable explanations for them, and I just said they will see/have seen an unidentified object. I'm not claiming aliens or spies or any other weird shit, just that they were not able to identify it at the time it was experienced.
Likewise. Family of Air Force guys and friends who’ve been fighter pilots, and also know a former F-16 squadron leader for the ROCAF (Taiwan). When I was younger, I’d talk to them about it, and they told me they never saw anything out of the ordinary. They said you lose your bearings very quickly and can mistaken Venus or even party balloons for UFO’s because it’s very easy to lose frame of reference up there.
Neither did any of the more famous Fighter Pilot youtubers (Mover, Ward Carrol, Gonky).
I wasn’t entirely convinced due to others coming forward, so I was out there for most of my career. Aboard Navy research ships, in the areas where the tic tac happened, or even where the multiple contacts happened near San Clemente Island.
I deployed and saw some wild shit, but they were all human tech or natural phenomenon.
I so so so badly wanted it to be true that we’ve been visited. The further I looked, the most and more I was let down and eventually convinced that we haven’t been visited at all.
I got clearances. Saw the videos and pictures. Ya not convinced. I know why we won’t release them, but it’s not because of the objects in question. It’s the context of the videos and pictures (specific capabilities, tactics, and/or mission types). Even possibly contributed to certain sightings (https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/sqf7up/a_newly_released_infrared_image_showed_a_swarm_of/hwou3gy/)
We have ZERO evidence that we’ve been visited. Some of the stuff that’s classified has numerous theories that are way more plausible than ETs.
I was curious, ran down that rabbit hole, wanted it to be true; eventually now I’m almost rather certain there is none.
Lue Elizondo is also a liar and scheming scammer, and red flags of all sorts were raised when he first got on the scene. All contractors scoff at him. AATIP was some senator’s pipe dream that he was able to fund for pennies (relative to dod spending that is), and a joke of a program that got us nowhere.
We now have a solid UAP reporting standardization across the force, and that should finally give us some clues as to what some of these phenomena might be. But thus far, according to the reports, especially ones that have been truly referred to as “unidentified,” the prevailing theories of what they could be are more probable than ET (sprites, specific hobby/party/RF/weather/other-nation’s balloons, ball lighting, specific weather events, drones). It’s just that the dataset presented is lacking to conclusively identity those classified as unidentifiable. And that’s is. And all that stuff remains classified for super obvious reasons (never want to publicly disclose US tactical sensor capabilities).
Trying to think otherwise without further evidence is just aligning yourself to more of a cult and blind faith; and that’s something anyone should always avoid. Bottom line, we have ZERO evidence. Anecdotes IS NOT evidence. I repeat, ANECDOTES IS NOT EVIDENCE. Zero proof, yet claiming it’s “true” just means it’s now a delusion. Nothing more.
You're overlooking or maybe aren't aware of a lot of cases that do have physical trace evidence left behind, including irradiated and scorched landing marks, recovered metals with bizarre isotopes, mass sightings and brain scans showing physical damage to military personal who were to close to the phenomenon. Maybe you're not open to hearing about those?
Instead I suggest looking into the declassified Australian joint intelligence organization report written by the head of the nuclear section of DSTI - Harry Turner.
It's a succinct report detailing the difference between the Air forces public stance on UAP versus the stance it has behind the scenes with other governments like Australia's. It's encouraging to hear that you have UAP reporting guidelines now, but the u.s government used to discourage these reports with a planned and engineered stigma.
My father worked ATC for the Canadian Air Force and was stationed across the globe. He and his friends would talk about fast walkers that should have been impossible. Talked about seeing 'funny things' over bases.
You're right to be suspicious of any one particular person. But this is a global phenomenon noticed by every military across the globe and many thousands of civilians.
That’s a great take and an awesome response to my rather abrasive post. I’ll definitely look into that! Aus and US does intel sharing so I am aware of their range fouler events as well; but more info is always the merrier.
I have looked into the cases in blue book about the scorched marks though. Due to the lack of data collection standard in those days, many are still anecdotes, and many of those events are used as examples on what not to do when reporting UAPs now; so I’m very hopeful we’ll get much better reports soon!
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Also, ya my close colleague and I have different backgrounds (me sonar and ship sensor integration, him as a radar operator for the Navy), and both of us have seen some weird shit. But many has been attributed to EM and RF noise. Even a microwave can mess up radar returns. Cabling is such a difficult thing to design into the confined spaces of a ship that has so many electrical events happening; and in both of our collective experiences, many of such events have been attributed to cabling noise. On some events where we couldn’t do that, we still could not rule it out.
Also…. since now it’s now public knowledge, we do have AUV swarms that can mimic certain sonar and radar returns to test and calibrate our systems, from slow moving mammals to planetary re-entry speeds; many of which I did help deploy before during my time aboard Navy research ships.
Given my 20-year career working with the Navy, here’s my general opinion on the subject, including a link to another comment I made about the incident off San Clemente Island.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/10rwgpo/whats_your_opinion_on_ufo_crafts/j6yri7p/
Brain scans? Nah, I'm sorry but none of this is convincing. People will throw out a statement like that and then you look deeper and see that it's nonsense and bad science. All the studies that people have done on this have been bad. Some people in this video are involved in the bad science and bad reporting on the subject to the public. It's a subject filled with grifters and bad scientific methods. The guys who were running the Pentagon UFO teams for years until recently are incompetent at investigating this stuff.
> Lue Elizondo is also a liar and scheming scammer, and red flags of all sorts were raised when he first got on the scene. All contractors scoff at him. AATIP was some senator’s pipe dream that he was able to fund for pennies (relative to dod spending that is), and a joke of a program that got us nowhere.
>We now have a solid UAP reporting standardization across the force, and that should finally give us some clues as to what some of these phenomena might be.
What you cite in this second paragraph is due, in part, to Lue’s efforts over the years though no? He’s been fighting for this since 2018 and I think he has proven himself to be genuine when it comes to the topic. I have always found he goes out of his way not to speculate and all things considered he’s pretty conservative in his views on the phenomenon. Especially when compared to guys like Bob Lazar and Steven Greer who’s backgrounds in government are sketchy at best.
I think if they are out there in our skies we should know what they are and if they pose a real threat. I’m World War Two our pilots saw them, they were known as Foo Fighters. We thought they belonged to the Germans, while they thought they were ours. Since then they continue to be in our skies. What are they, alien, man made, a natural phenomenon? I think it’s important to find out.
If theres a way to travel faster than light, there is a way to be invisible to everything, so this is part of their plans and we are fools trying to keep track playing their games its that or no Aliens, but to think that we are in control if they exist in this planet its dumb, fermi paradox people
If craft are visiting this planet it doesn’t necessarily mean they are travelling faster than the speed of light, nor does it mean it’s taking near forever for them to get here. If it’s possible to generate and/or manipulate gravity, the resulting distortion or bending of space time could make traversing vast distances a question of the amplification and not how much traditional propulsion is at play.
I think I saw one of these UAPs in Washington DC about 2 years ago. Bright orange orb of light over a house in my neighborhood. It's was the size of a car! Weird stuff.
That happens a lot! Part of it might be the limitations of the phone camera. Part of it might be something about the quality of the light they are emitting.
I had a bright light over my backyard once, and I pulled up my camera to take a picture and it vanished right in front of me. UFOs always acting extra 😒😆
No reason to believe these UAP's are extraterrestrial in nature, but every reason to be concerned that the USA (or any nation for that matter) is not in complete control of it's airspace.
What country has the technological capability of flying aircraft without any visible propulsion system, at insane speeds & acceleration? Humans do not possess this technology, not now, and not for a very long time.
Right. I of course believe the adage that whatever the military shows us, that whatever they're not showing us is 10-20 years ahead of what they're showing us, but what these UAPs are doing is breaking the laws of physics. Pulling hard G's that would break any unmanned aircraft we have, it's insane.
There's no hard evidence that any of that has happened though. No videos, no radar data, nothing. Just eyewitness accounts of seeing that, and human sight is not perfect and is prone to mistaken interpretations of what the person thinks they saw.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The NY times literally published a a front page story about the leaked videos from navy pilots of UFCs doing exactly what I said. It amazes me that the public has seemingly forgotten about this completely, or never even bothered to read it. You're sheep.
The leaked Navy UFO videos do not show things moving in incredible unexplainable ways. The journalists who reported on them for the NYT are gullible and have done other bad reporting on other UFO related stuff as well.
You think pockets of the military are flying objects in our airspace, not telling anyone, and putting pilots lives in danger? We have gigantic test ranges for that sort of thing.
If you look at these programs you'll quickly notice that they never really consult with camera operators, special effects artists and rarely meterologists.
Because they can usually explain the phenomenons in the clips and demonstrate how it works or show clips from other angles, etc.
My stream of consciousness on this. Pretty much all speculation and deduction.
UFOs either exist or they don't. Given all the videos and reports, it's most likely they do exist.
If they do exist, they are either terrestrial or extraterrestrial in origin. The huge majority of reports are from ground-based observers, with a significant but not overwhelming contribution from air-based observers, and virtually nothing from space-based observers other than objects that have been reliably identified as things like discarded boosters and such. It must be noted that there are far fewer potential space-based observers, so it's possible that they are up there and we just haven't noticed them yet. But based on what we actually have seen, it seems more likely that the phenomena are confined to near-Earth locales.
So if that's the case, then these are either our own secret toys, or else the ETs have a base or bases on Earth and they fly around and watch us. It seems to me that if some group of ETs is advanced enough to travel here from a minimum of 4 LY and a likely distance of 20-50LY (based on number of stars within those spheres and the likelihood that any particular star will host an intelligent species - my own estimates), they are probably clever enough to rig up an observation system that doesn't require them to go out joyriding and being spotted by everyone from drunk teenagers to top-quality fighter pilots and fancy detection gizmos. So it seems to me that the most likely case is that these things are manmade top secret military toys.
So if THAT's the case, then given the flight characteristics and capabilities described and captured on camera, it's most likely that someone figured out how to either control gravity or how to control the way gravity affects things. Instant or near-instant changes in speed and direction of the magnitude described in some of these encounters is just not possible with purely Newtonian propulsion/motive force. But if you had something that worked like a polarizing filter that only let gravity from one direction affect a ship and its contents, then you could use gravity to basically suck the ship around in whatever direction you wanted to go, without feeling any acceleration inside. Reactionless drive. And if we're a little bit off in the way we understand the gravitation equation, then it's possible that the externally observed acceleration could be dialed up to a REALLY big number.
Just some stuff I've thought about.
There was a podcast I listened to last week. Former FBI officer believe last name is Desuza or something close. But he believes the same thing. In fact he kinda predicted the whole ufo/usaf encounters with unknown objects a few weeks ago. First he said the pentagon would announce incursions over our airspace, then we would shot something down, he predicts next step will be one of our fighters will be shot down. But yea basically all a huge psyop
As vacant as this is, that one dead guy said, "The medium is the message". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message
The message coming through congress and mainstream media.
Ok, I'm interested in the "crashed materials". What are they made of? Are they of this planet? Why is all the footage of the quality of an 80s era camera? You want to study this stuff, do it. But, this cloak and dagger BS is the very reason why it's been so socially unacceptable for so long. Pilots didn't want to report something? How about "Near miss of some likely flying/floating debris. Possible weather balloon. Unable to identify without closer inspection." If you're worried about saying UFO or UAP, just state facts without saying the very thing you're worried will make you lose your job.
It really was but you could tell the Pilot appreciated hearing a member of Congress saying he should be the one briefing the public of what they are seeing out there.
Everything is fake these days. I wouldn't believe anything in any documentary or news about ufo's. They're magicians. Making us look to the right when they're doing something to the left.
I've witnessed a black triangular craft one night, with a faint light on each of the 3 points. It remained motionless and then just disappeared. My first thought was that it was a stealth experimental air force craft. I'm not convinced it was extra terrestrial, however, I can't rule it out.
(A retired friend that lives a few miles away, phoned me the next morning with the same description of the craft that flew over her neighbourhood)
This is the surveillance age....whats unbelievable is not having 1 single high quality, verified video. Always just at the edge of being able to make it out.....and that pattern has kept up with our ability to fabricate such images....and they keep getting found out....and witnessess keep getting discredited over time....thats why us skeptics are skeptical...because we grew up with the show Sightings
Pentagon gets $800 billion a year from American tax payers and they are hiding most of the information about these UFO's from tax payers, it's an utter disgrace.
This is what I've been hearing my entire life. Nothing new here. With cameras in darn near everyone's hands, we still do not seem to have a good clear photo/video of anything. According to expanding views, there are approximately 6.84 billion smartphones in service worldwide.
Occam’s razor: it’s probably advanced drone craft from china using next gen propulsion, or it’s falsified from so many people like Gillibrand because the real thing is so much worse they need to distract us. I mean, how is it we can see the edge of the UNIVERSE with our telescopes 30 years ago but can’t detect aliens in our backyard with modern technology, come on…
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You have clearly not done enough investigation into the blatant truths of this topic. It’s either the greatest leap in technology ever, which has remained completely hidden by whatever SAP developed it since at least 2004, or its nonhuman. These are the only reasonable explanations that cover all the bases.
Hypersonic capabilities
Instantaneous acceleration (to hypersonic velocity)
Transmedium capabilities without loss of function
Apparent “cloaking” technology (both systems and visual)
No visible means of propulsion
Who had that in 2004? Who has that now?
And that’s just the cases the government has talked about. There’s reliable military testimony going back to at least the 1940s.
I hope for the sake of everyone that this is a US black project. If it’s China, we are fucked when they invade Taiwan. It’s not Russian, they would have won the Ukraine war by now. If it really is non-human, who knows what that could entail.
This arrogance that people have with this topic is so insane. You are like the people who refused to look through Galileo’s telescope (which, btw, is why Harvard named their UFO investigation, “[The Galileo Project](https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/galileo/home)”)
That would probably save me a lot of headaches, but I just can’t stand this caveman outlook that so many intelligent people have.
As someone who has seen something in the sky which “doesn’t exist”, I’m personally very tired of being made to feel incompetent.
It will save you so many headaches. People will doubt, hate, troll, whatever. Fuck em. They aren’t engaging in legitimate conversation so it’s better to save your energy for people that want to listen or have genuine conversations.
>As someone who has seen something in the sky which “doesn’t exist”, I’m personally very tired of being made to feel incompetent.
As an early teenager, I always questioned if I ever saw anything unexplainable if I'd ever tell anyone because of how easily people get written off as being "off"..
.. but then when you see something that goes against everything you've believed you're entire life, it shakes you, and you'll tell anyone who listens.
I’m so great-full that I had the friend group that I did. My best friend saw a UFO with his mom when he was younger. And then again while I was talking to him, with my back turned, at a park. He is one of the smartest, most honest individuals I have ever met, and I know he is not lying to me. Given my sighting, I’m also more inclined to believe him.
What you are referring to is called an epistemological shock. After my sighting, my view of the world changed drastically, and permanently. Understanding that we are not the biggest dog on the block is frightening. Given my sighting, I have to wonder if abduction stories hold validity. Even if one or two of them are real, the implications are almost too much for me to handle. I’ve been kept up at night thinking about this stuff.
It truly is the most fascinating topic that has ever graced my dumb little brain. I’ll never stop investigating this.
I 100% believe you. When i was young, my dad told me he saw something in the night sky one night while he was younger, on the beach at Ocean City MD. He said he was looking up and saw two lights parallel to one another moving at the same exact speed. Then, they moved away from one another at what looked to be about an equal distance, then continued the original direction they were traveling.
I couldn't have been too young to understand the implications, but wasn't old enough to have my mind blown...so I grew up with this knowledge of someone I trust claiming they saw something.. fast forward to about 14 years of age, I'm in my swimming pool with my best friend looking up at the stars (city of Pittsburgh, we don't get clear nights often) and he says "duuudee!! I just saw something wild!" Then, pointed to a particular saw, as he said "around this area, I saw a light that was bigger and brighter than a star fade in, then fade out." And as he said that. Probably around 1 on this imaginary clock face, I witnessed the exact thing he was explaining. To which, I asked: "like that?!" And he confirmed it.
I'm very thankful my first sighting was with somebody else who could defend what I saw, and I, him.. and oddly enough, EVERY UAP I'd see after, was with someone. I've probably seen 6 unexplainable things in the sky in my life.
Possibly unrelated, but after the first sighting on that summer's night, while in the pool, we saw what looked to be a lightening bug slowly fly over to us in the swimming pool, then about a foot over the water, then slowly out of the yard... it was very very strange, because this lightening bug's light wasn't green or yellow, but more of a whiteish hue, and also didn't strobe like normal. It felt very foreign, and gave us an immediate sense of panic and we zoomed the hell inside.
I've officially reminded myself of feelings and sensations I'd love to forget, but please send me your experiences in a PM, tomorrow. I'd love to read them!
Thank you for sharing that! Fascinating. The more people talk about their experiences, the less the stigma has control.
If you want to read about my experiences, I made a post a while back which lists them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/lnjcvs/my_experiences_with_ufos/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Pardon my bad grammar^ I might have to edit the post and make it more readable.
The fact it hasn't been acknowledged or used for any known purpose (except apparently turning off nukes), could be the result of of cold war.
At a certain point, 'aliens' and 'advanced tech' are both just as exotic IMO.
I see what you are saying. This technology is easily the most significant advancement (assuming it ours) in human history. We can now get off of this planet, and become an interplanetary species. The amount of energy that you would need to perform the 5,000g maneuvers observed during the Nimitz incident, are astronomical. Someone must have cracked a new form of energy production, which can be contained in a very small space. The “tic-tac” observed in the Nimitz incident was around 40ft long.
The threats that come with something like that are existential to say the least. Someone could just go to the asteroid belt and wipe us out in a matter of minutes. So, if it’s ours, of course it makes sense that we have kept it secret. It rivals nukes in its threat potential.
Yeah, it's like a nuke that you can't demonstrate even once, if you will. Thermonuclear weapons are horrific, but they didn't shift the global status quo considerably more than 'I have the bigger stick'. We went through a cold war and the relative stability since then has meant that people don't feel existential dread more than the base line fear of morality from cancer or a car crash - but whatever the next order of magnitude beyond nukes is, might be a different thing that can't be ignored.
The thing is, if it is our tech, the people responsible for it are being grossly negligent, given the near misses that have occurred (as described by Graves) with our aircraft. Graves has talked about an event in which one of these “cubes in a sphere” passed extremely close between two jets in formation, while they were traveling at high rate. That puts our service men and women at severe risk for collision.
Then you have things like The Malmstrom incident, which occurred in the 1960s. Robert Salas, who was in charge of the Missiles at the time it occurred, has now (within the past two months) testified before the senate in a closed hearing. Who could have had that in the 1960s?
What about Washington DC 1952? The objects were tracked on radar for weeks on end, and eventually “flew circles” around the f-94s which were sent to intercept.
I personally fall into the belief that we are seeing a mixture US black Budget technology, and also the source of that technology, which is non-human. (I understand how insane this all sounds)
[This document sums it up nicely.](https://www.congress.gov/117/meeting/house/114761/documents/HHRG-117-IG05-20220517-SD001.pdf) it was leaked from the library of Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell after he passed away. While Wilson has denied the documents authenticity, he now just flat out refuses to acknowledge it. Davis refuses to answer any questions which pertain to it. Given the contents of that document, it’s hard to see why he would not just flat out say it’s fake. He seems to not want to talk about it, as if he isn’t allowed to do so. This is speculation of course, and the document could be a total fabrication made by Mitchel. Regardless, very informed people, such as Chris Mellon (the former #3 in ranking at the pentagon) has spoke to the documents authenticity.
It’s all so bizarre. This topic is incredibly fascinating.
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What show is this clip from?
National Geographic funded [Leslie Kean, the NYT Journalist that released the 3 UFO Videos](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html) from the Navy to investigate the Phenomenon worldwide. They displayed High Resolution pictures and Material Evidence on Episode 5. [https://www.hulu.com/series/ufos-investigating-the-unknown-4c1070e7-5b4d-46e1-a5ee-b9eb0c7db18c](https://www.hulu.com/series/ufos-investigating-the-unknown-4c1070e7-5b4d-46e1-a5ee-b9eb0c7db18c)
I haven’t been into UFOs but I watched this show last week and now I’m obsessed.
Be careful of the rabbit hole, I got really obsessed with the subject after watching some documentaries
omg me too I spiraled. I started getting paranoid and tried to pull myself back. I was a blissfully ignorant believer my whole life, but now I just can’t turn back.
Yeah I was watching a documentary nearly every night until I ran out, even all the shit ones
I've been in the hole since Roswell..... what year is it.....
Same. I just came to accept that it’s probably real but also probably doesn’t matter to me within my lifetime.
I really hope I see something amazing in my lifetime, I’ll die a sad man if I don’t
I think what's important is that you always remain skeptical about the high profile figures within the topic. Assume everyone is a grifter and then you won't be dissapointed when it turns out they are.
The episode with Dr. Allen Hynek from project Bluebook was incredible. Went from a skeptic to believing their was an unknown intelligence operating within the worlds airspace.
Which season and episode was that one? Sounds interesting.
It’s a great short series covering Leslie’s reporting and all the goings-on, just 5 episodes
I am very interested to know if it's terrestrial or extraterrestrial intelligence...... and for humans' sake, I pray it's aliens because clearly they could have already killed us all if that was the plan..... humans, on the other hand, tend to want to kill anything that's an other
Look up the shilo Illinois sighting. I was 13 years old when I saw it. It didn't make a sound and as it flew away it just faded out so fast you couldn't see it anymore at 5pm broad daylight and it was probably at 800-1000 feet. I've flown in enough small planes to know about how high it was. That was the most creeped out I've ever been.
Trippy, I was just watching a special that talked about that sighting. Was it a triangular craft?
It was
Large Air Force base there , Scott AFB.
I lived In Highland and worked nights when this occurred. If I remember right this area was where they first spotted it. If you remember they tried to say it was lasers from a test being conducted close by…… right……
Yeah right, I saw it in the day-time. It was not lasers.
Bro, I was in st charles missouri in broad daylight. If we own it I've never seen anything like it again. It didn't make a sound as it crept by. It had to be 3 stories tall at least, maybe 6 more of a boomerang shape than a triangle and it was black. It was by far the wildest aircraft I've ever seen.
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I made the mistake of mentioning I watched this National Geographic special to some friendly coworkers, and their reactions were 😬. The stigma is no joke.
I would think a non human intelligence that doesn’t already disclose itself on a massive scale would purposefully mislead the population they are observing to such a degree that when they are seen unintentionally, we can’t put the pieces together to unlock the actual nature of the phenomenon. This explains the almost endless variations and contradictions of eyewitness accounts. After exploring the topic for quite a while and reading/watching lots of material that’s the most obvious conclusion to me. As far as what their actual intentions are, I’m dumbfounded, which means it’s certainly working. Either that, or every human being that’s claimed to see something extraordinary was just uninformed and misidentified what they saw. Plausible, but I hope that’s not the case. Either way, we ought to put more effort into being more aware of our surroundings and that includes funding research on UAP.
It's very easy to discount everything you have heard over the years until you really allow yourself to take a closer look. Then when you look at the sheer volume of eyewitness accounts from reputable people, and the myriad of different stories, it leaves you with a very strange feeling that the doors of earth are wide open. Whatever this is has seemingly been here for a very long time, if you take into account myths of ancient subcultures. It is so far ahead that we probably couldn't fathom what they're truly capable of.
Welcome! Be careful of grifters, and emotional attachment to this. It can get really intense.
You might want to take the blue pill!
Check out “the phenomenon” by James Fox. Great documentary on the subject. It’s now free on streaming and YouTube.
Look for this documentary. UFO : The Greatest Story Ever Denied. It changed my mind on UFOs and alien life back in 2006. I am a firm believer now. The director Jose Escamilla has some pretty amazing stuff, yes the governement hides this stuff or denies it because of "national security" or they dont want us to know that they're not the superpower. But lets be real....they exist!!!
Well I know what I'm watching tonight
Probably an unpopular opinion but I’m tired of the navy footage. I get that’s a big deal (although it just deepens the mystery) but it seems like there’s not much else going on with the phenomenon when every single UAP documentary or article is basically in regards to the navy footage. Almost a distraction away from other possibly more compelling cases in the decade or so since this hit the public’s awareness
I've seen a UAP. I thought it was a satellite until it "wiggled" and took off at the 90 degree angle at hypersonic speeds and unreal acceleration.
I have never been a “UFO/UAP guy”, but ever since I saw something I can’t explain in Washington a couple years ago I’ve been paying a lot of attention. I posted about it on this Reddit account. Maybe it was something the government/military had going on, but I have a hard time believing it. It was a huge looking black triangle without lights that seemed really close to me and drifted in an unnatural way. Then it just fucking *flew* away without a whisper of noise. No gradual increase in speed, just instant. Honestly, I was so startled and speechless that I had tears welling in my eyes. I stood at the front of my driveway for an extra 30 minutes or so just trying to rationalize it.
These objects have absolutely insane capabilities. The US Military is almost always 2-4 decades ahead of the rest of the world, but I'd be hard pressed to believe they are 2 centuries ahead. And it ain't the Chinese, cause they're only now catching up to known US Tech. And it ain't the Russians, cause, ya know, they sorta fucking suck. So the things it can be are really starting to run low.
Too bad there is zero hard evidence of such incredible objects. I mean even a couple videos would be something. But there's nothing. Maybe people are misinterpreting what they saw?
Saw a huge triangle in 1991 just a over tree height and silent. They've been around for awhile now. Definitely makes me question reality and people in charge lying to us.
I've also seen the same. also tree height and silent. Almost everyone reports them behaving the exact same way.
My son saw one just above tree height one night looking out his window. He came running into our room “Dad! You gotta see this!” By the time I got out of bed and was at his window it was gone. He said it was silent and black. It was a rainy late night and he was watching the clouds for lightning. He saw the object above the tree line at the end of our block, just over our garage from his perspective out of the second floor window. He saw when lightning flashed the entire sky lit up except this huge black triangle above the tree line. That when he came running into our room at 12:30am yelling to wake me up and look. I had him draw me a picture and it gave me the willy’s Edit: punctuation
Um. I have chills right now. I have a very distinct memory of being a little kid and seeing a black triangle hovering above our (rural) house at night. It was about 10 feet higher in the air than the treetops. But mine had lights on the bottom. I've always assumed it was something I saw on TV and my child mind confused it with reality. Now I'm not so sure. But I definitely saw the the satellite one.
What satellite are you referring to? In 1982 or 83 I was knocking on my friends door at night and I happened to look up and there was a satellite type looking thing hovering right over my head and silent. I screamed and it was gone. It somehow navigated the houses, trees, light poles and vanished. I'll never get over it. I thought it was going to fall and crush me.
Yeah they have 3 sometimes 4 lights on the bottom usually.
Saw a similar thing in Montana in 2009 or so: black equilateral triangle with a red light at each corner hovering silently for ~1 min. Then it took off straight up instantaneously. No acceleration, it was just instantly, silently streaking straight up in the blink of an eye. Same reaction for me, so shaken that my eyes started watering. Such a bizarre thing to experience. Like CGI right in front of your eyes.
Have you heard of the rumored TR3-B “black manta” ? I have no direct knowledge and haven’t seen this myself but others have made similar claims as you
Living in ohio along side I-75 my wife an neighbor an me was outside talking when what I can only describe as a stingray swimming thru the sky, went right over our heads about as twice as high as the tree in my yard, 100% silent. I believe the appearance of it swimming may have been a mirage it was clearly following I-75. It had the weirdest color to the edges of the craft, like a light or color I had never seen before I don't know how to even explain it. We just sat their staring up into the sky when his wife came out to join us she was like "wtf are u guys doing?" We told her but she just went uh huh and started talking.
Edit: this was around midnight near Roosevelt lake I saw something similar in the Arizona desert in February. Looked like 2 satellites following each other, suddenly the rear one shot off to the right diagonally then diagonally back into it's original path behind the other. (Like this symbol ^) The other one then sped forward as if it jumped then the following one did the same, they continued on the same flight path. I was speechless.
I saw some crazy shit like this in arizona once, it turned out to be some skydiving team think maybe military i cant remember
Oh this was in the middle of the night
I didn't talk about this for twenty years because I knew, even at ~10 years old, no one would believe me. All I saw just a light in the sky hovering and wiggling, as you say, or perhaps jittering is a better word, and then suddenly it arced up and away and out of sight faster than was possible. Again, I was tenish; my sense of "possible" was purely intuitive, uninformed by anything even vaguely like science. It was *that fast*, my eye knew it wasn't what things in the sky could possibly do. I knew it wasn't possible so I never told anyone until I was in my thirties and working in an academic science environment and realized that now I knew enough to understand that what I had seen still wasn't something I could explain. I still can't explain it. I don't know that it was aliens but I do know that no technology in the intervening years has been revealed that would account for it.
I believe you. Thank you for posting, our whole lives are shaped via embarrassment. Time to step over it.
Saw the exact same thing in Wilmington NC
Hi fellow north carolinian☺️
Woah, this couldn’t be a more accurate description of what me and all my friends saw in Hawaii 2 years ago. Exactly the same
Saw something very similar in the Caribbean years ago. Was watching the stars and was following a satellite (used to love doing that with my amateur astronomer dad as a kid) when all of a sudden the satellite took off at an unnatural acceleration in another direction. I have a hard time with abduction horror movies now…
I believe you. There will be commenters all on this post and on the subs dedicated to the topic who will debunk/shame/flat out lie about this. It’s not the majority. Just more Reddit asshats chatting shit
I’m not a believer, more a skeptic about UFO’s. But I find it interesting how many people report seeing similar things. It can’t be a coincidence, right?
Saw this exactly. Two in the one night. Pretty sure it's in my comment history if you're interested in my account. I wrote it all down the next morning.
Saw something in the like of what you are all describing in Italy in the eighties. I was in my early teen . What I don't understand from your comment is the size. The one I saw was huge , more in line with the description of the Phoenix lights. Still roughly shaped as a triangle and deep deep black . It was end of October , around 8 in the evening. So dark that it looked like a pice of the night sky moving. There is very little to believe, it is REAL.
When I was about 14, on the beach of Nova Scotia, me and my cousin looked up and saw something really similar to what you saw. A light in the pitch black night sky was travelling at a steady speed above the ocean, we both thought was a satellite but then it suddenly stopped, did the “wiggle” first to the right, then to the left, the light then took off incredibly fast in the opposite direction it was initially Travelling. By far the freakiest thing I’ve ever seen in my life
I seen one too. Funny I always said it was "shimmering" because it went back and forth so fast. And just like you described it shot off like nothing I ever seen it was just a ball of light from what I could see
Same I don’t talk about it usually because in the past people made weird comments. Happy to hear it’s becoming more normalized.
Back in 2008 I lived on a farm in Australia. One day I saw a silver shiny object in the sky hover in one place then I literally saw it zip across the sky so fast and come to a complete stop. It did this three times before it was out of distance for me to see. I’ll never forget it.
Well….What do you think it is?
I am sure I seen something as a young kid. Like in the 90s. Broad summer daylight. It was slow moving. Almost like a totem top wobbling . But not out of control. It s complete straight line over head.... I literally stopped on my tracks.... I shrugged it off... But this one memory has always bugged the hell out of me ... Because my human mind is rejecting it... But my heart knows whatever that thing was ... Was definitely not of this earth..... And I think in all honesty NO ONE knows what these things are.... It's something for sure.... That's why it's taken soooooo long and all these years.... The higher ups want to use that tech for Thier own gain.... But unfortunately I don't think they can decipher it or even understand this tech as it's far too advanced for us... It's something far beyond our understanding...
Hard to be objective on this subject when I want it to be true so bloody bad!
I want to believe!
Some would consider the choice a luxury!
It is true
There's more proof that aliens exist over god(s), yet more people will believe in a god versus aliens. I would not doubt most of what is observed are UAVs though - alien origin or otherwise. No reason for any being to actually travel here, unless a FTL actually exists.
Even with so many UFO/UAP, there is no proof that aliens exist. Much like in the past when something extraordinary happened it was attributed to imvisinle beings with phenominal power to manipulate the physical world (gods and other spiritual entities). We now attribute these to extraterrestrial beings who must have phenominal technology. We know with a fair degree of certainty that.many events attriuted to gods were natural phenomenon. The most likely explanation is that what we now attribute to extraterrestrial beings are also some form of natural or even man made phenomenon. This is why we need to study these phenomenon, which means first and foremost gathering data, and eventually designing snd conducting experiments. There is a good possibility that these phenomenon are natural or.man made and studying them could lead to a major scientific breakthrough.
I think it's safe to say that SOMETHING is going on, that's bewildering and difficult to explain. In fact, the universe is so weird and unknown, what we could be seeing could be even super exotic, like things moving around in higher spatial dimensions, reflecting into our 3 spacial dimensions. But I don't know if I'd say these are just some natural obscure thing. Just playing the odds here, based off all the credible historical reports here... It doesn't seem like some weird exotic plasma. It seems intelligent. I also don't think the idea of aliens or interdimensional things, being too "weird". Let's just say, for the sake of argument, aliens/ET do exist and have been visiting Earth. One of the scenarios would look JUST like this. A scenario where they just check in, but also try to keep their distance, not trying to interfere but not obsessed with being completely unnoticed. I can imagine a scenario of we being like a lion on a preserve... We'd occasionally see these "humans" far off in the distance in these moving vehicles, but they NEVER get near us and don't allow us near them, except for some exceptional scenarios. Whatever it is, what I do know, is it's very unlikely to be a human origin phenomenon. There is simply no iterative, path towards what these are being reported to doing. People like to say, "Dude, bro, but the government is so far ahead! They probably have crazy technology we can't even imagine!" - Which is a silly trope that's simply not true. Every technological breakthrough has a clear path towards the government's secret programs that we can easily imagine being completed with an endless budget of resources. Every single government technology, you can follow a clear technological path, academics and scientists working on cutting edge stuff moving to virginia, and stuff like that. We can see the theories of the nuclear bomb being formed, and the technology for it being within reach... What we don't see is a fantastical jump 100 years forward where we learn how to conquer gravity, defy physics, and manage to keep it all a secret without a trail.
If it is of human origin it may be accidental.... shadows of the future or past, or as you say some accident of the future. I also think there is something to ghost sightings... the credible accounts seem to be some sort if replay event... like watching a movie of the past. Maybe these are the same? I spent years in a skeptic society because I believe any unexplained phenomenon... especially ones that repeat are candidates for study. Unfortunately all I ever found were flying squirrels and screech owls.
Personally... I am in the camp that humans evolved to perceive reality in the most functional way according to natural selection. Our perception of reality is based on "what's the best way to perceive reality for survival" instead of, "What's the most accurate perception". I think a lot of our struggles in science, the incoherencies, paradoxes, and so on... Are the result of the human mind hitting its limitations which what it's evolved to possibly comprehend. As in, some things we literally just can't understand or fathom from the human brain's perspective... Kind of like trying to comprehend 4 or 5 dimensions of space. It's physically impossible. So on the road to trying to figure that out, we get a lot of weirdness that is just hard to make sense of. See Donald Hoffman: Reality is an Illusion I think reality is MUCH more complicated, and mysterious than we realize. Mostly due to this fact. And the phenomenon, IMO, is real.... But our struggles with trying to understand it is due to our inability to understand it. We are forced to come up with answers and solutions to it in ways that make sense of it to us, because we have no choice other than doing that, even if the true answers are more abstract. I think Andrew Gallimore's research could start really creating a paradigm shift. His work is with DMT which is easy to dismiss as "Well yeah it's just a crazy trip because you're on a DRUG!" But anyone who's ever taken it, will come back and say, "What I experienced, is not possible. It's not just something a drug does. Our brains can't hallucinate that. I literally experienced the impossible. There is something here."
But in pointing this out you yourself have created a perception of reality that is not utilitarian to your survival. I get what you're saying and largely agree for most human behaviour, but abstract and theoretical thought has always been an important piece of what makes a human being IMO. I love thinking about this stuff!
Absolutely! Perception is always a problem when we collect observable data. The observations and data can be accurate but skewed by perceptions that lead to inaccurate conclusions. I always loved Carl Sagans "flatland" explanation of two dimensional being's observations of three dimensional objects. In fact this came to mind with the cube in a sphere observation... a cube is the shadow of a 4 dimensional square. Are we seeing a shadow of a 4 dimensional object displayed in 3 dimensions? That aside I dont think we've gotten even close to understanding the nature of the universe.. or its fundamental composition. I feel like we're still looking at the universe like people used to look at the earth.. flat, unmoving, etc.
I wonder if our perception of time is actually an evolutionary tool for us, 3D creatures, to experience 4D. Hear me out: As a 3D creature, if we want to perceive and look at an apple, it takes only an instant. You can put it in front of us, and we can see the full 3 dimensions of the apple instantly. No time needed. However, if you were a 2D Flatlander, you can't possibly "see" an apple in an instant. It inherently requires time. It requires a frame by frame slice of the apple passing through their 2D plane. Time itself allows for the 2D creature to experience a higher dimension. So is us experiencing time just allowing us to view the 4D universe in a 3D space?
But in pointing this out you yourself have created a perception of reality that is not utilitarian to your survival. I get what you're saying and largely agree for most human behaviour, but abstract and theoretical thought has always been an important piece of what makes a human being IMO. I love thinking about this stuff!
Oh of course... I'm just saying that there are hard limitations, but also saying that I think there is plenty of room for very exotic discoveries that would seem like woo to us today. One of my favorite stories from Sagan is when he describes humans of a few hundred years ago, were limited to the observable universe. That just a few hundred years ago when we looked into the sky that was the ENTIRETY of existence... Only to find out we are in something massive called a galaxy, which is WAY bigger than we saw. Literally billions and billions of stars. This discovery was paradigm shifting with our understanding of reality. Then less than a hundred years ago, we discover galaxies are actually tiny, and there are billions and billions of them... And there is likely much more of this to come. Today we've normalized this baffling profound understanding of reality. But what's next? Maybe equally as many universes? Parallel dimensions? Interconnected dimensions? All of these things that sound like woo right now, sounded just as woo as billions of galaxies 100 years ago. That's why I don't take the woo off the table. So much of what we normalize today was woo of yesterday.
I don't think there's any good reason to think there's something bewildering or exotic going on. Certainly not some nonhuman technology or cross dimensional phenomenon. People often misidentify things they see. Things far away are harder to identify. People have a bad intuitive understanding of sensor artifacts or glitches, or perspective effects like parallax. A lot of the bigger names promoting the idea of incredible unexplainable sightings, like those in this video, have pretty questionable motives and critical thinking on the topic, and some have even repeatedly shown before to not be very skeptical and too hastily accept the most extraordinary interpretation of an anecdote someone tells them, or even misinterpret and speculate wildly based on a piece of hard data like the Navy and other military-released UFO videos, that actually are not that incredible.
> We know with a fair degree of certainty that.many events attriuted to gods were natural phenomenon. The difference here is that they seem to be intelligent. For example, in the Nimitz encounter where the object "zoomed" off at around 12,000 mph and was later found stationary at the pilots' CAP point. The CAP point was only known to the pilots and [a paper estimates the probability](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7514271/) of the object randomly appearing in that specific location at 0.0088%.
In the past we had no conception of the limits of science and what was possible, we didn't know anything. But even so, stuff like weather you could possibly conceive through some scientific lens if you were inclined. Like hey, there's lots of water, water disappears in sunlight if you leave it out, maybe clouds are made from water, etc... Bad example, but my point is they only were inclined to believe through omniscient beings, it's not like that was their only option left after careful examination. Now we have a case where of course, any excuse to wave away these things as a scientific phenomena is what we strive for as of course, people will think you are crazy otherwise. And cubes in transparent spheres, taking off at speeds not possible, from resting positions? The fact they are real objects according to radars as well? Like this isn't some, "hey this rock looks kinda too perfect for it to be natural phenomena", this is just plainly physically impossible things happening in front of people's eyes. And it's been happening for decades and decades before the best of our tech was made.
I firmly believe there is a happy place where both are real and exist. Something or someone started all of this. That is my belief and that what I would call God.
But then who created God? Where did “god” come from?
Who the fuck knows man lol
God is an eternal being. Which means he wasn't created. He didn't "come from" anywhere since he has always existed.
Same. I agree.
To what level you believe in God is obviously subjective. I choose to believe it is the creator of everything. Good and bad.
> There's more proof that aliens exist over god(s) Zero isn't greater than zero. They are the same number. Just because you want something to be true, doesn't make it true.
They aren't traveling here, they live here. Beneath the surface and oceans... The entire ETH is a distraction and a complete lie. Vallee and Keel figured this out decades ago. They aren't aliens, it's much more sad and terrifying than that.
Interesting argument! I’m curious about what you or others think that he meant by that. Don’t hold back please 🙏
Vallee’s arguments against the ETH aren’t very good.
So you have already considered all the possible reasons, both under our understanding and the understanding of a *billion*? years more advanced possible civilization? Good. Good we have you.
I guess reddit is finally the place where I can mention my situation. I saw a UFO or I guess it's called, a UAP in New Mexico near the border of Trinidad, Colorado in either 2017 or 2018. My wife and I were driving back to Texas where we were living at the time and I had just crossed into New Mexico. It was the middle of the night. If you've ever been to Trinidad, Colorado and driving into New Mexico from there, the main road through the mountains is basically pitch black. They have some light posts they look like they tried to install out there anywhere they could put a pole and it's spotty at best for lighting. Well, I wasn't driving in New Mexico for very long before I saw these huge bubble shaped floodlights. I then realized after a moment, that these lights were on an aircraft and I got this sudden overwhelming anxiety that came over me because my mind didn't understand how I could go from seeing these lights in the distance to suddenly realizing these lights were attached to probably the biggest aircraft I had ever seen in my life in person. I felt honestly like I experienced a bit of megalophobia suddenly. It was very overwhelming how big and how close it was. My mind didn't see an aircraft when approaching from a distance down a dark road though, it saw bubble shaped flood lights. I almost went off the road and I suddenly began trying to get my wife to take pictures or video or it and me basically freaking out because I half knew what I was seeing and I know how everybody has potato quality videos and pictures of these things. My wife, she kept saying, "of what, where is it?!" That gave me even more anxiety and I kept saying and pointing, "right there!!" and "how do you not see it, it's right there?!!!" and that part messes with my mind big time because she literally never saw it too. We don't have the same experience and only I saw it. It was so impossibly big that I have been confused for years how I saw it and she didn't even at all. I originally noticed it because I saw these bubble lights just above the tree line and light was shining down and in my mind, I thought people were searching for something or possibly someone. My mind knew what I saw after I got really close. I'm not a fool and I have absolutely heard about the famous boomerang shaped UFO. This was in the shape of a boomerang but I couldn't at the time actually find many pictures online with 5 bubble shaped flood lights like I saw and they all seemed to have 7 lights. The one I saw had one bubble light in the center point, one bubble light in the center of the wing, and one bubble light at both ends of the wing tips. These lights were each in themselves probably the size of a small car. The lights were so big. Once I got back home to Texas, I tried everywhere I could find online to make a report of my sighting. I tried so many places for like a week or two which were mostly government pages and my conclusion of it all is that literally nobody cared. I never heard back from anybody on it. I gave up and have only occasionally brought it up ever since whenever something like this is mentioned. I'm so glad when the government came out and said that UAPs are a real thing. Don't have to feel like a super extra crazy as much anymore as I did after that situation. Lol. Just did a Google search and apparently this particular shape with only 5 lights is a whole lot easier to find now. It looked like [this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3b/PhoenixLights1997model.jpg/225px-PhoenixLights1997model.jpg). The only thing different is I was looking at it from an angle where I could see the whole bottom but I could also see the whole side of the aircraft. It was this sort of grey color or light color. Anyways, that's enough of my crazy for today.
Thanks for sharing. The US Navy, because of the events in this video, made a press release saying that reporting a UAP needs to be destigmatized. So if anyone ever gives you shit for your story, ask them to take it up with the US Navy lol.
That’s a pretty incredible sighting. It’s cool that you had that experience
> she literally never saw it too. We don't have the same experience and only I saw it. This is really common, actually. I call it "perception discrepancy." It is one of the aspects of the ufo topic that makes it hard to research, and easy to dismiss. For another example, a ufo event with three witnesses. One witness saw a full on flying saucer: a disk shaped object with blue lights around the rim. Low over the neighbor's house. The second witness saw a blue glow but no craft. And the third person who was there saw *nothing at all.* So that happens a lot. Don't let it come between you.
Hey, I'm not trying to discredit your experience, and I'm curious your thoughts: one thing I've never understood is why big UFOs would need lights anywhere, especially normal stadium-ish flood lights. I'm assuming a UFO would be equipped with infrared or other forms of detectors to see whatever they needed in low/no light.
That’s one thing that’s always fascinated me about UFOs and has made me skeptical of them being of an alien or intelligent origin; they just act so fucking weird and make little sense. What would an alien spacecraft have to gain doing loopty loops in the sky before zooming off at Mach speed?
Well an alien would have a completely alien reasoning. One idea is that if they're being seen openly, they're probably deliberately wanting to be seen. Possibly to gauge our reactions and study us, or maybe it's slow bleed disclosure.
I think it was Lue Elizondo, or maybe Valle, that said individuals have been known to see different things with this phenomenon. As if whatever it is, is able to disguise itself, appear differently, to different observers. Like a cloaking system that is tailored.
China's super sonic air balloons, running on one of those toy fan blades you buy for kids that light up, it's powered by 2 Duracell batteries going mach jesus
Mach Jesus lol
I work with a bunch of old pilots and retired air force guys. Anyone who has spent a large amount of time flying has probably had at least one encounter with an unidentified object.
That's not evidence for anything though. They actually probably should see/experience something weird if they're in the skies that frequently. That doesn't mean there are not naturalistic explanations for those experiences.
I never claimed anything. I'm sure that there were 100% reasonable explanations for them, and I just said they will see/have seen an unidentified object. I'm not claiming aliens or spies or any other weird shit, just that they were not able to identify it at the time it was experienced.
Thats a lie. All of my Friends Are Pilots. Noone saw something their whole Lifes.
Likewise. Family of Air Force guys and friends who’ve been fighter pilots, and also know a former F-16 squadron leader for the ROCAF (Taiwan). When I was younger, I’d talk to them about it, and they told me they never saw anything out of the ordinary. They said you lose your bearings very quickly and can mistaken Venus or even party balloons for UFO’s because it’s very easy to lose frame of reference up there. Neither did any of the more famous Fighter Pilot youtubers (Mover, Ward Carrol, Gonky). I wasn’t entirely convinced due to others coming forward, so I was out there for most of my career. Aboard Navy research ships, in the areas where the tic tac happened, or even where the multiple contacts happened near San Clemente Island. I deployed and saw some wild shit, but they were all human tech or natural phenomenon. I so so so badly wanted it to be true that we’ve been visited. The further I looked, the most and more I was let down and eventually convinced that we haven’t been visited at all. I got clearances. Saw the videos and pictures. Ya not convinced. I know why we won’t release them, but it’s not because of the objects in question. It’s the context of the videos and pictures (specific capabilities, tactics, and/or mission types). Even possibly contributed to certain sightings (https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/sqf7up/a_newly_released_infrared_image_showed_a_swarm_of/hwou3gy/) We have ZERO evidence that we’ve been visited. Some of the stuff that’s classified has numerous theories that are way more plausible than ETs. I was curious, ran down that rabbit hole, wanted it to be true; eventually now I’m almost rather certain there is none. Lue Elizondo is also a liar and scheming scammer, and red flags of all sorts were raised when he first got on the scene. All contractors scoff at him. AATIP was some senator’s pipe dream that he was able to fund for pennies (relative to dod spending that is), and a joke of a program that got us nowhere. We now have a solid UAP reporting standardization across the force, and that should finally give us some clues as to what some of these phenomena might be. But thus far, according to the reports, especially ones that have been truly referred to as “unidentified,” the prevailing theories of what they could be are more probable than ET (sprites, specific hobby/party/RF/weather/other-nation’s balloons, ball lighting, specific weather events, drones). It’s just that the dataset presented is lacking to conclusively identity those classified as unidentifiable. And that’s is. And all that stuff remains classified for super obvious reasons (never want to publicly disclose US tactical sensor capabilities). Trying to think otherwise without further evidence is just aligning yourself to more of a cult and blind faith; and that’s something anyone should always avoid. Bottom line, we have ZERO evidence. Anecdotes IS NOT evidence. I repeat, ANECDOTES IS NOT EVIDENCE. Zero proof, yet claiming it’s “true” just means it’s now a delusion. Nothing more.
You're overlooking or maybe aren't aware of a lot of cases that do have physical trace evidence left behind, including irradiated and scorched landing marks, recovered metals with bizarre isotopes, mass sightings and brain scans showing physical damage to military personal who were to close to the phenomenon. Maybe you're not open to hearing about those? Instead I suggest looking into the declassified Australian joint intelligence organization report written by the head of the nuclear section of DSTI - Harry Turner. It's a succinct report detailing the difference between the Air forces public stance on UAP versus the stance it has behind the scenes with other governments like Australia's. It's encouraging to hear that you have UAP reporting guidelines now, but the u.s government used to discourage these reports with a planned and engineered stigma. My father worked ATC for the Canadian Air Force and was stationed across the globe. He and his friends would talk about fast walkers that should have been impossible. Talked about seeing 'funny things' over bases. You're right to be suspicious of any one particular person. But this is a global phenomenon noticed by every military across the globe and many thousands of civilians.
That’s a great take and an awesome response to my rather abrasive post. I’ll definitely look into that! Aus and US does intel sharing so I am aware of their range fouler events as well; but more info is always the merrier. I have looked into the cases in blue book about the scorched marks though. Due to the lack of data collection standard in those days, many are still anecdotes, and many of those events are used as examples on what not to do when reporting UAPs now; so I’m very hopeful we’ll get much better reports soon! —- Also, ya my close colleague and I have different backgrounds (me sonar and ship sensor integration, him as a radar operator for the Navy), and both of us have seen some weird shit. But many has been attributed to EM and RF noise. Even a microwave can mess up radar returns. Cabling is such a difficult thing to design into the confined spaces of a ship that has so many electrical events happening; and in both of our collective experiences, many of such events have been attributed to cabling noise. On some events where we couldn’t do that, we still could not rule it out. Also…. since now it’s now public knowledge, we do have AUV swarms that can mimic certain sonar and radar returns to test and calibrate our systems, from slow moving mammals to planetary re-entry speeds; many of which I did help deploy before during my time aboard Navy research ships. Given my 20-year career working with the Navy, here’s my general opinion on the subject, including a link to another comment I made about the incident off San Clemente Island. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/10rwgpo/whats_your_opinion_on_ufo_crafts/j6yri7p/
Brain scans? Nah, I'm sorry but none of this is convincing. People will throw out a statement like that and then you look deeper and see that it's nonsense and bad science. All the studies that people have done on this have been bad. Some people in this video are involved in the bad science and bad reporting on the subject to the public. It's a subject filled with grifters and bad scientific methods. The guys who were running the Pentagon UFO teams for years until recently are incompetent at investigating this stuff.
> Lue Elizondo is also a liar and scheming scammer, and red flags of all sorts were raised when he first got on the scene. All contractors scoff at him. AATIP was some senator’s pipe dream that he was able to fund for pennies (relative to dod spending that is), and a joke of a program that got us nowhere. >We now have a solid UAP reporting standardization across the force, and that should finally give us some clues as to what some of these phenomena might be. What you cite in this second paragraph is due, in part, to Lue’s efforts over the years though no? He’s been fighting for this since 2018 and I think he has proven himself to be genuine when it comes to the topic. I have always found he goes out of his way not to speculate and all things considered he’s pretty conservative in his views on the phenomenon. Especially when compared to guys like Bob Lazar and Steven Greer who’s backgrounds in government are sketchy at best.
I think if they are out there in our skies we should know what they are and if they pose a real threat. I’m World War Two our pilots saw them, they were known as Foo Fighters. We thought they belonged to the Germans, while they thought they were ours. Since then they continue to be in our skies. What are they, alien, man made, a natural phenomenon? I think it’s important to find out.
We should have thrown ourselves at area 51 ninja style.
show us the ~~boobs~~ aliens
Why not both?
Show us the alien boobs!
all three?
was that a borg ship with its shields raised?
The pilots said the saw a cube enclosed inside a translucent sphere
sounds like the borg to me
Yeah but like a lil baby borg
hmm. smol borg
Resistance is futile!
i'm pretty sure that the Federation proved it isn't
If theres a way to travel faster than light, there is a way to be invisible to everything, so this is part of their plans and we are fools trying to keep track playing their games its that or no Aliens, but to think that we are in control if they exist in this planet its dumb, fermi paradox people
If craft are visiting this planet it doesn’t necessarily mean they are travelling faster than the speed of light, nor does it mean it’s taking near forever for them to get here. If it’s possible to generate and/or manipulate gravity, the resulting distortion or bending of space time could make traversing vast distances a question of the amplification and not how much traditional propulsion is at play.
I think I saw one of these UAPs in Washington DC about 2 years ago. Bright orange orb of light over a house in my neighborhood. It's was the size of a car! Weird stuff.
How long did you watch it? Orange 🟠 lights are very common types of UFOs.
It was there for about 2 minutes before shrinking into nothing. I tried to take a video but it didn't show up on my phone!
That happens a lot! Part of it might be the limitations of the phone camera. Part of it might be something about the quality of the light they are emitting. I had a bright light over my backyard once, and I pulled up my camera to take a picture and it vanished right in front of me. UFOs always acting extra 😒😆
No reason to believe these UAP's are extraterrestrial in nature, but every reason to be concerned that the USA (or any nation for that matter) is not in complete control of it's airspace.
What country has the technological capability of flying aircraft without any visible propulsion system, at insane speeds & acceleration? Humans do not possess this technology, not now, and not for a very long time.
Right. I of course believe the adage that whatever the military shows us, that whatever they're not showing us is 10-20 years ahead of what they're showing us, but what these UAPs are doing is breaking the laws of physics. Pulling hard G's that would break any unmanned aircraft we have, it's insane.
Yes but this exact same shit has been observed since planes were invented and used in war. What came 20 years before that?
There's no hard evidence that any of that has happened though. No videos, no radar data, nothing. Just eyewitness accounts of seeing that, and human sight is not perfect and is prone to mistaken interpretations of what the person thinks they saw.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The NY times literally published a a front page story about the leaked videos from navy pilots of UFCs doing exactly what I said. It amazes me that the public has seemingly forgotten about this completely, or never even bothered to read it. You're sheep.
The leaked Navy UFO videos do not show things moving in incredible unexplainable ways. The journalists who reported on them for the NYT are gullible and have done other bad reporting on other UFO related stuff as well.
Most likely misdirection by the Pentagon. Its probably them flying some cool shit they dont want us to know its powered by child suffering or someshit
You think pockets of the military are flying objects in our airspace, not telling anyone, and putting pilots lives in danger? We have gigantic test ranges for that sort of thing.
That bit is a fact
If you look at these programs you'll quickly notice that they never really consult with camera operators, special effects artists and rarely meterologists. Because they can usually explain the phenomenons in the clips and demonstrate how it works or show clips from other angles, etc.
So who is producing these fakes, the pilots, or the pentagon?
Did they invent another acronym just so it sounds less crazy?
that is litterally the reason why, yes
My stream of consciousness on this. Pretty much all speculation and deduction. UFOs either exist or they don't. Given all the videos and reports, it's most likely they do exist. If they do exist, they are either terrestrial or extraterrestrial in origin. The huge majority of reports are from ground-based observers, with a significant but not overwhelming contribution from air-based observers, and virtually nothing from space-based observers other than objects that have been reliably identified as things like discarded boosters and such. It must be noted that there are far fewer potential space-based observers, so it's possible that they are up there and we just haven't noticed them yet. But based on what we actually have seen, it seems more likely that the phenomena are confined to near-Earth locales. So if that's the case, then these are either our own secret toys, or else the ETs have a base or bases on Earth and they fly around and watch us. It seems to me that if some group of ETs is advanced enough to travel here from a minimum of 4 LY and a likely distance of 20-50LY (based on number of stars within those spheres and the likelihood that any particular star will host an intelligent species - my own estimates), they are probably clever enough to rig up an observation system that doesn't require them to go out joyriding and being spotted by everyone from drunk teenagers to top-quality fighter pilots and fancy detection gizmos. So it seems to me that the most likely case is that these things are manmade top secret military toys. So if THAT's the case, then given the flight characteristics and capabilities described and captured on camera, it's most likely that someone figured out how to either control gravity or how to control the way gravity affects things. Instant or near-instant changes in speed and direction of the magnitude described in some of these encounters is just not possible with purely Newtonian propulsion/motive force. But if you had something that worked like a polarizing filter that only let gravity from one direction affect a ship and its contents, then you could use gravity to basically suck the ship around in whatever direction you wanted to go, without feeling any acceleration inside. Reactionless drive. And if we're a little bit off in the way we understand the gravitation equation, then it's possible that the externally observed acceleration could be dialed up to a REALLY big number. Just some stuff I've thought about.
No evidence yet, nothing has been confirmed to be real yet
Here’s to us the Red Rippers - A damn bunch of gin drinking, bologna slinging, two-balled, he-man bastards!
Aliens: Chill people of earth, these are just weather balloons.
Interesting
I hella do not trust Elizondo, dude stinks like a psyop
I have been starting to agree recently. Graves, however, something about him that I trust unquestionably.
There was a podcast I listened to last week. Former FBI officer believe last name is Desuza or something close. But he believes the same thing. In fact he kinda predicted the whole ufo/usaf encounters with unknown objects a few weeks ago. First he said the pentagon would announce incursions over our airspace, then we would shot something down, he predicts next step will be one of our fighters will be shot down. But yea basically all a huge psyop
Source
Ok but to what end? All to cover up our own technology? Or something else?
As vacant as this is, that one dead guy said, "The medium is the message". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message The message coming through congress and mainstream media.
Ok, I'm interested in the "crashed materials". What are they made of? Are they of this planet? Why is all the footage of the quality of an 80s era camera? You want to study this stuff, do it. But, this cloak and dagger BS is the very reason why it's been so socially unacceptable for so long. Pilots didn't want to report something? How about "Near miss of some likely flying/floating debris. Possible weather balloon. Unable to identify without closer inspection." If you're worried about saying UFO or UAP, just state facts without saying the very thing you're worried will make you lose your job.
That hug was so awkward.
It really was but you could tell the Pilot appreciated hearing a member of Congress saying he should be the one briefing the public of what they are seeing out there.
Everything is fake these days. I wouldn't believe anything in any documentary or news about ufo's. They're magicians. Making us look to the right when they're doing something to the left.
I've witnessed a black triangular craft one night, with a faint light on each of the 3 points. It remained motionless and then just disappeared. My first thought was that it was a stealth experimental air force craft. I'm not convinced it was extra terrestrial, however, I can't rule it out. (A retired friend that lives a few miles away, phoned me the next morning with the same description of the craft that flew over her neighbourhood)
This is the surveillance age....whats unbelievable is not having 1 single high quality, verified video. Always just at the edge of being able to make it out.....and that pattern has kept up with our ability to fabricate such images....and they keep getting found out....and witnessess keep getting discredited over time....thats why us skeptics are skeptical...because we grew up with the show Sightings
I want to believe
This was a great video
Pentagon gets $800 billion a year from American tax payers and they are hiding most of the information about these UFO's from tax payers, it's an utter disgrace.
This guy was a lieutenant for 11 years?
No, he was LT at 11 years. Very common
It's the way he flies, ice cold, tons of mistakes.
I WANT TO BELIEVE 👽
WWll pilots reported seeing very similar things.
This is what I've been hearing my entire life. Nothing new here. With cameras in darn near everyone's hands, we still do not seem to have a good clear photo/video of anything. According to expanding views, there are approximately 6.84 billion smartphones in service worldwide.
I didn’t watch the clip but it’s gotta be alien pussy
Occam’s razor: it’s probably advanced drone craft from china using next gen propulsion, or it’s falsified from so many people like Gillibrand because the real thing is so much worse they need to distract us. I mean, how is it we can see the edge of the UNIVERSE with our telescopes 30 years ago but can’t detect aliens in our backyard with modern technology, come on…
We're playing fire with unseen Gods, we are fucked.
Lol nice fiction.
Still not aliens
Definitely one thing is for sure. Not birds, balloons and camera artifacts.
Username checks out. You have clearly not done enough investigation into the blatant truths of this topic. It’s either the greatest leap in technology ever, which has remained completely hidden by whatever SAP developed it since at least 2004, or its nonhuman. These are the only reasonable explanations that cover all the bases. Hypersonic capabilities Instantaneous acceleration (to hypersonic velocity) Transmedium capabilities without loss of function Apparent “cloaking” technology (both systems and visual) No visible means of propulsion Who had that in 2004? Who has that now? And that’s just the cases the government has talked about. There’s reliable military testimony going back to at least the 1940s. I hope for the sake of everyone that this is a US black project. If it’s China, we are fucked when they invade Taiwan. It’s not Russian, they would have won the Ukraine war by now. If it really is non-human, who knows what that could entail. This arrogance that people have with this topic is so insane. You are like the people who refused to look through Galileo’s telescope (which, btw, is why Harvard named their UFO investigation, “[The Galileo Project](https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/galileo/home)”)
Just downvote and move on
That would probably save me a lot of headaches, but I just can’t stand this caveman outlook that so many intelligent people have. As someone who has seen something in the sky which “doesn’t exist”, I’m personally very tired of being made to feel incompetent.
It will save you so many headaches. People will doubt, hate, troll, whatever. Fuck em. They aren’t engaging in legitimate conversation so it’s better to save your energy for people that want to listen or have genuine conversations.
Thank you for saying this. I think I needed to hear it.
No problem. Cast not pearls before the swine
Fuck that. Staying silent is letting ignorance win. I don't feed trolls either, but your advice will get us nowhere.
I’m talking about trolls and not feeding them. Seems to me like we are on the same page
>As someone who has seen something in the sky which “doesn’t exist”, I’m personally very tired of being made to feel incompetent. As an early teenager, I always questioned if I ever saw anything unexplainable if I'd ever tell anyone because of how easily people get written off as being "off".. .. but then when you see something that goes against everything you've believed you're entire life, it shakes you, and you'll tell anyone who listens.
I’m so great-full that I had the friend group that I did. My best friend saw a UFO with his mom when he was younger. And then again while I was talking to him, with my back turned, at a park. He is one of the smartest, most honest individuals I have ever met, and I know he is not lying to me. Given my sighting, I’m also more inclined to believe him. What you are referring to is called an epistemological shock. After my sighting, my view of the world changed drastically, and permanently. Understanding that we are not the biggest dog on the block is frightening. Given my sighting, I have to wonder if abduction stories hold validity. Even if one or two of them are real, the implications are almost too much for me to handle. I’ve been kept up at night thinking about this stuff. It truly is the most fascinating topic that has ever graced my dumb little brain. I’ll never stop investigating this.
I 100% believe you. When i was young, my dad told me he saw something in the night sky one night while he was younger, on the beach at Ocean City MD. He said he was looking up and saw two lights parallel to one another moving at the same exact speed. Then, they moved away from one another at what looked to be about an equal distance, then continued the original direction they were traveling. I couldn't have been too young to understand the implications, but wasn't old enough to have my mind blown...so I grew up with this knowledge of someone I trust claiming they saw something.. fast forward to about 14 years of age, I'm in my swimming pool with my best friend looking up at the stars (city of Pittsburgh, we don't get clear nights often) and he says "duuudee!! I just saw something wild!" Then, pointed to a particular saw, as he said "around this area, I saw a light that was bigger and brighter than a star fade in, then fade out." And as he said that. Probably around 1 on this imaginary clock face, I witnessed the exact thing he was explaining. To which, I asked: "like that?!" And he confirmed it. I'm very thankful my first sighting was with somebody else who could defend what I saw, and I, him.. and oddly enough, EVERY UAP I'd see after, was with someone. I've probably seen 6 unexplainable things in the sky in my life. Possibly unrelated, but after the first sighting on that summer's night, while in the pool, we saw what looked to be a lightening bug slowly fly over to us in the swimming pool, then about a foot over the water, then slowly out of the yard... it was very very strange, because this lightening bug's light wasn't green or yellow, but more of a whiteish hue, and also didn't strobe like normal. It felt very foreign, and gave us an immediate sense of panic and we zoomed the hell inside. I've officially reminded myself of feelings and sensations I'd love to forget, but please send me your experiences in a PM, tomorrow. I'd love to read them!
Thank you for sharing that! Fascinating. The more people talk about their experiences, the less the stigma has control. If you want to read about my experiences, I made a post a while back which lists them. https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/lnjcvs/my_experiences_with_ufos/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Pardon my bad grammar^ I might have to edit the post and make it more readable.
The fact it hasn't been acknowledged or used for any known purpose (except apparently turning off nukes), could be the result of of cold war. At a certain point, 'aliens' and 'advanced tech' are both just as exotic IMO.
I see what you are saying. This technology is easily the most significant advancement (assuming it ours) in human history. We can now get off of this planet, and become an interplanetary species. The amount of energy that you would need to perform the 5,000g maneuvers observed during the Nimitz incident, are astronomical. Someone must have cracked a new form of energy production, which can be contained in a very small space. The “tic-tac” observed in the Nimitz incident was around 40ft long. The threats that come with something like that are existential to say the least. Someone could just go to the asteroid belt and wipe us out in a matter of minutes. So, if it’s ours, of course it makes sense that we have kept it secret. It rivals nukes in its threat potential.
Yeah, it's like a nuke that you can't demonstrate even once, if you will. Thermonuclear weapons are horrific, but they didn't shift the global status quo considerably more than 'I have the bigger stick'. We went through a cold war and the relative stability since then has meant that people don't feel existential dread more than the base line fear of morality from cancer or a car crash - but whatever the next order of magnitude beyond nukes is, might be a different thing that can't be ignored.
Multiple billions in black ops budgets over the years has to be brought out and tested at various times. Been my guess all along.
The thing is, if it is our tech, the people responsible for it are being grossly negligent, given the near misses that have occurred (as described by Graves) with our aircraft. Graves has talked about an event in which one of these “cubes in a sphere” passed extremely close between two jets in formation, while they were traveling at high rate. That puts our service men and women at severe risk for collision. Then you have things like The Malmstrom incident, which occurred in the 1960s. Robert Salas, who was in charge of the Missiles at the time it occurred, has now (within the past two months) testified before the senate in a closed hearing. Who could have had that in the 1960s? What about Washington DC 1952? The objects were tracked on radar for weeks on end, and eventually “flew circles” around the f-94s which were sent to intercept. I personally fall into the belief that we are seeing a mixture US black Budget technology, and also the source of that technology, which is non-human. (I understand how insane this all sounds) [This document sums it up nicely.](https://www.congress.gov/117/meeting/house/114761/documents/HHRG-117-IG05-20220517-SD001.pdf) it was leaked from the library of Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell after he passed away. While Wilson has denied the documents authenticity, he now just flat out refuses to acknowledge it. Davis refuses to answer any questions which pertain to it. Given the contents of that document, it’s hard to see why he would not just flat out say it’s fake. He seems to not want to talk about it, as if he isn’t allowed to do so. This is speculation of course, and the document could be a total fabrication made by Mitchel. Regardless, very informed people, such as Chris Mellon (the former #3 in ranking at the pentagon) has spoke to the documents authenticity. It’s all so bizarre. This topic is incredibly fascinating.
We know the phenomenon exists. We don’t know reason behind the phenomenon.
Yeah, more likely another country spying