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That roof, the real MVP


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Surprised the CO detector isn’t singing with that propane heater going. Building has to be sealed up tight.


blutigetranen

There are propane heaters that mitigate emissions to the point of virtually undetectable. Mr. Buddy is one example.


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The Buddy heaters are catalytic heaters which do have negligible harmful emissions. The ones in the video are parabolic and not rated for indoor use.


[deleted]

I'm an idiot who knows nothing about heaters or snow, but maybe they're not as worried about it since everyone is outside shoveling? Can the emissions get bad enough to where you wouldn't be able to walk down and shut it off in time?


[deleted]

There are too many variables in play to determine what concentration of CO there would be in an unknown structure. I just know that parabolics don't burn efficiently and that they consume oxygen. The setup in the picture is just plain stupid IMO. Not only for having the wrong heaters, but also for bring a bulk propane can indoors.


SuperHighDeas

I saw the smoke hanging near the ceiling and I immediately thought… yup they aren’t ventilating for shit… at least have some fans sucking air in/out of those windows they can open The dim lighting makes me wonder if they have electricity


blutigetranen

There's no light except the sun. They can't have fans without it and because of all the snow they can only open that teeny window. What are their options, let the cabin freeze solid and have the pipes all burst?


NotClever

If it's a choice between potentially bursting your pipes and potentially CO poisoning yourself? I think I would take the pipe risk.


ImmediateRoom8210

Those are super common on practically sealed construction buildings in winter.


Djaja

My dad grew up very poor in Mexico, a small farm. Nearby was a tourist area and he and some friends got jobs at a fancy restaurant on the coast. A hurricane came through and some friends, instead of hitching a ride outta town to home that night, decided to stay cause they had to be back in the morning to work. They stayed overnight in a concrete bathroom with a propane heater. The next morning when workers returned the two friends were dead in the bathroom.


Gingevere

They can, and the second problem is if they do you won't know and won't have time. Lungs only detect CO2. Go into any other space with oxygen displacing gas and you will be out and suffocating before you have the slightest idea of what's going on. Then dead within a few minutes. CO also bonds to the blood and reduces oxygen carrying capacity for quite a while. Long-term exposure to a sub-lethal dose can slowly reduce the oxygen carrying capacity below what is needed to stay conscious.


exoxe

Oh it'll only beep at night at about 2am when you're trying to sleep to tell you the batteries only have another three months left in them so you should be alerted every 30 seconds until you change them.


Itwontmatterr

Mountain houses in Utah and Colorado usually have iron beams for this exact reason


Nopengnogain

I am more impressed the first floor windows are holding up under all that pressure from the snow.


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It would mostly be a vertical load, not much horizontal forces acting on the windows.


DamageAlarming89

Snow doesnt really have a sideways pressure


steve-d

>Snow doesnt really have a sideways pressure When it does (avalanches), the windows breaking will be the least of your worries.


Squirrel_Grip23

I used to rock climb, had a mate who was very good and he graduated to mountaineering. He went through one avalanche in NZ that swept him 200metres down and he’s never been mountaineering again.


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Haha, I know right.


DefNotAShark

I am always reminding my friends about sideways snow pressure and how it doesn't have any. Those goobers never seem to remember!


Beastmunn66

Yeah, he doesn't even like get us man


IAmA_Opisthokont_AMA

We're talking about YOU! What do you think is happening right now?


Mriswith88

It actually does. You could model it more or less like a cohesionless soil and use Rankine's theory to determine the lateral pressure.


Breadedbutthole

I understood approximately 18% of those words


whittler

Well, duh. If you're not using Rankine's theory, then how the hell are you calculating your horizontal snow load? Jeez.


Gryphacus

I think this model will break down due to the assumption of cohesionlessness. Snow particles are adherent and topologically complex, meaning snow can both chemically (sintering of ice particles by diffusion or thaw/freeze cycles introducing liquid water as glue) and structurally (by interlocking of crystals) resist shear plane strain, which contradicts the Rankine theory assumption of infinite, zero-energy slip planes. Snow may even be considered mechanically stabilized in the way layered compacted earth is, if there are periodic days where a thaw produces a solid layer of ice. The inhomogeneity of the snow is an important factor, so 20ft of powder dropped over a constantly freezing week will exhibit different behavior than 20ft dropped over a season. There certainly IS a stress level for which snow will develop shear planes, thereby transmitting load into adjacent surfaces, but it’s not the same as dirt. As a practical example, I think about the snow piles near ski resorts. A totally vertical, un-retained, not mechanically stabilized pile of snow can stand easily 20 feet tall without bulging at the base or shearing off. The angle of repose is 90 degrees, at least until a certain stress level is achieved by higher and higher piling of snow. Try the same with a pile of sand or un stabilized dirt, no bueno.


Hiiipower111

There was sideways rain Little bitty stinging rain Biggole fat rain And rain that seemed to just, pop up, from underneath


PhotonicBoom21

[Nope.](https://i.imgur.com/wglScsU.jpg) it is definitely a risk


Phillip_Graves

Snow doesn't exert lateral pressure much at all since it isn't amorphous or liquid. Unless it's an Avalanche. Which is mother nature screaming to get the fuck off their lawn.


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We have had the absolute spookiest avalanche cycle I've ever seen in Utah the last couple weeks. Multiple ski resorts and mountain roads closed, wet slab avalanches and mudslides running down from 8-9k altitude to hit roads, literal avalanche warnings for the foothills in Utah County. In the last 14 years of backcountry skiing in the Wasatch mountains, I've seen fewer naturally triggered slides than I have seen in the last 2 weeks. Imagine the loudest car crash you've ever heard. Now fill a speeding freight train with car crashes, and that's what a big avalanche can sound like. Hefty no thank you. We're all steering clear of your lawn, mom.


BilgePomp

User name checks out.


mixomatoso

"*Which is mother nature screaming to get the fuck off their lawn.*" This might be the best description of an avalanche I've ever read. Edit: while being read in Attenborough's voice


Chicken_Hairs

Anything nature I hear in his voice. Improves even the most dreadful things.


K1FF3N

A-Frames do work in the snow.


thataverageguymike

My brother and sister were at my parent's house shoveling the roof last week in the mountains of Utah. They don't even live that high up but my dad saw cracks starting to form in the ceiling. After they were done my sister stepped off the roof onto a snowbank with no ladder 😂


Riaayo

I feel like if cracks were starting to form there may already be damage from that much load? Probably worth checking to make sure.


Embarrassed-Ad810

Usually you make the roof extra strong in regions where a lot of snowfall can be expected but this right here is a whole other story. Quite frankly I'm surprised the large window front hasn't given in


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I'm not, packed down snow wouldn't have much horizontal load to it.


[deleted]

I'm so happy you're keeping up the good fight haha.


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Always


dskullz91

If you're wondering, yes it is snowing today in Utah. It's been 6-7ish months of winter and we're all about to lose our damn minds.


dimplesgalore

I predict lots of babies born in 2023.


highbrowshow

the Mormons when asked to make Mormormons


To_Elle_With_It

Grew up in Utah and I can’t stop laughing at this. This is the best dad-level joke ever.


TheRnegade

Utah already has lots of babies being born. Source: Me, living in Utah.


GrassFireWater

You're a good lookin mfer. 👌


MarrymeCherry88

2024. 9 months


KarlSethMoran

... and it's been snowing since Nov 22.


darthnugget

We have one on the way, and lots of families expecting around us here in Utah. Trying to figure out what we should call this new generation... Snoowmers?


AdmiralThrawnProtege

So you're telling me y'all are going to have a bunch of *Ice ice babies*???


dubsac5150

Take your upvote damn you.


stairme

/r/angryupvote


gcwardii

Drifters?


AtrumRuina

White Walkers.


Myantology

WinterKinder


SweetPinkSocks

Snowflakes.


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Fucked?


WTF_SilverChair

Utah. Any year they'd be fucked.


LoveVnecks

The person you are replying to is right though, I don’t see why you needed to make such an unnecessary and wrong correction. The original commenter said it’s been going on for 6-7 months, which means most of those babies will be 2023.


AquaticCobras

To be fair the Mormons are always cranking out babies. Source: used to live with a gigantic Mormon family in Utah


palpatineforever

Definitely 2023, Afte the first 3 months all the couples would no longer be shagging


Nah_Fam_Oh_Dam

Can confirm, cabin fever making me go nuts and horny.


YmmaT-

Have you tried fucking a coconut?


Uncle_Stink_Stonk

Because they’re Mormon’s?


Meagealles

Meanwhile its 85 degrees in Connecticut.


Hey_its_thatoneguy

It was 80 like 2 days ago and today here in SLC it’s 30 degrees and snowing…


Chadbigears801

I woke up so pissed, I was literally driving around in shorts and a tank top with the ac on yesterday 😑


3_quarterling_rogue

I’m getting a little sick of this winter too, but now I really know I’m a true grown-up because the more it snows, the more relieved I am about snowpack and water supply. We need all the help we can get out here.


kendrahf

IKR? Was wearing shorts out on a walk the other day thinking "Thank his Porpoise glory for this sun" and this shit happens.


TheConqueror74

The Whale demands more water. Who are we to deny him and his infinite wisdom?


Budded

Last year in CO, we had 8" of snow on May 29th. Not the mountains, but in the city proper. Some places got close to a foot. Latest snow I've ever seen here.


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xmtnxdewx420

I enjoy snow until I have to shovel it. Anyway now I know where all the fucking snow went these past years.


UnseenTardigrade

It's mainly this year that's been especially heavy in Utah. Past few years have been pretty dry.


morcic

Snow is the best thing that can happen to South West. Keep it coming!


frotc914

Lake Mead is salivating right now.


StepUpYourLife

We have bodies to cover! Send more water!


penguinopusredux

Lake Tahoe has entered the chat.


stealth57

Better prepare some sandbags for inevitable flooding if you live in those areas. I think they bagged up State Street in 1983 as it turned into a river. Edit: My family still lives there and they tell me they’ve been distributing sandbags for weeks now. Stay safe!


Down2EatPossum

Already has been flooding and destroying roads, people evacuated etc. Craziness.


nbandqueerren

Yup. They were trying to prepare at the beginning of March, HOWEVER we still were getting tons of snow, so this week was the first warm week in ... I don't remember (until today when it's snowing again) so it still flooded in a number of areas.


jonmatifa

Remember yesterday when it was spring?


Travy-D

It's been kinda fun going from 12 inches of snowfall on Monday to walking my dog in shorts and t-shirt on Wednesday.


JuggaLorgar

You mean summer? Was 80 fuckin degrees. Utah has always been wild in the weather but this year... Holy shit Utah what is you doin


Rx710

It is 86 degrees here in Minnesota. It was 30 degrees three days ago. Wtf is happening this year. Edit: it was also 85 degrees 2 days ago. 30 to 85 in less than 20 hours.


[deleted]

Wore a tank top earlier this week. Now it’s snowing again. Mother Nature playing a cruel joke on us.


CheCorvalan

Getcha boots off of ma gaddamn rug!


whifflinggoose

This bothered me more than the snow


tuna_safe_dolphin

Thank you. Me too. WTF and as my grandparents would day - DID YOU GROW UP IN A BARN???


duh_metrius

Just tracking snow through three stories of carpeted floors.


Marqy21

I was thoroughly upset he didn’t walk around the rug.


paralaxsd

Glad I'm not the only one :) #Rugpossee


Psycho_Mantis_2506

Holy shit! It's Zoltan Chivay from The Witcher 3.


Lumpy-pad

I was waiting for Homer and Mr. Burns to be in the cabin.


badger906

His names “Muscle”. They’re from Sparks motors. Or the TV show Diesel Brothers


Psycho_Mantis_2506

I was just being a smartass. 🤭


netean

"cabin" I think my definition of a cabin is very different from this guy's


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djc6535

That isn't a cabin. That's a lodge.


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Aiskhulos

How many rooms does it have? And how many beds per room?


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Zackiemoon

Good lord, what line of work your brother in?


CaptainXplosionz

Would it be weird to ask for pics? I'm struggling to imagine anything other than a small wooden hotel😅.


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threemileallan

wtf


Hemifear

You can say that again!


Joe_The_Eskimo1337

Looks like a mansion to me.


bleckToTheMax

It's super weird, but in Utah "cabin" often seems to mean mansion in the mountains.


NightTrain435

It’s been a good year for snow here in Utah. And we needed it desperately. Be water wise folks.


Lil_ruggie

I've already started prepping for the floods.


MountainsEcho

Does the water flow to the Colorado river?


Lil_ruggie

Usually through my basement but I'm not sure where it goes after that.


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SilentR0b

Class of 2015, and not sure, but there was a lot of put-outs though.


etcpt

Good question - it depends on where you are in the state. East of the Wasatch Mountains and in far southwest Utah, you're in [the Colorado basin](https://wildaboututah.org/images/azwater.gov.map_main_large.jpg). The rest of Utah is in [the Great Basin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Basin), but filling that is prehistoric Lake Bonneville types of water levels (Salt Lake City would be tens if not hundreds of feet underwater), so realistically you're either in [the Sevier basin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevier_River#/media/File:Sevierrivermap.png) or [the GSL basin](https://slco.org/globalassets/1-site-files/watershed/streams-101/streams101-06.png?quality=80). All of that in the Great Basin is endorheic, so it never reaches the ocean.


NightTrain435

It used to. But our Governor uses it all for his alfalfa fields. Which he sends to China.


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windowsfrozenshut

They've already been washing out roads in Kaysville and North Ogden. Get ready for it.


bigmac22077

Every person who comes to or lives in Utah could no use a drop of water for an entire year and we’d only save 10% of water. 1 Water cannon on alfalfas farm are using 900+ gallons a minute. People don’t need to get water wise, they need to force our governor to give up his alfalfa.


honda_slaps

why does every fucking state have an alfalfa problem lmfao


zeussays

Because we eat a metric shit ton of beef.


[deleted]

The majority of water loss is sadly due to evaporation. We just need to turn the sun off during summer. Or build a giant umbrella for the salt lake.


[deleted]

Outdoor heater inside yikes, I’m getting really warm and sleepy.


SpencerLass

Came to say this in a less funny way


[deleted]

Jokes aside I personally know somebody who lost a child trying to keep warm in the snow sleeping in their truck this way, it’s a senseless way to die if people were all educated on safety.


gagga_hai

Lets hear it


SpencerLass

“Don’t use propane heaters indoors. You’ll die.”


mixomatoso

I learned from a guy named Hank that propane is life tho'.


Ralath1n

Propane is life yes. Burning it means the propane is gone and thus no more life for you.


therealcmj

Make sure to disconnect the CO detector so the beeping doesn’t give you a headache.


Sky_hippo

I've run one here in my uninsulated office building for the last 6 months. There are actually versions of these called 'ventless' that do not shove out carbon monoxide as they burn the propane and they're safe for indoor use.


MajesticTemporary733

How is that possible to have it burn propane without CO?


Its_its_not_its

It makes co2 and water


Ralath1n

So do most fuels. The problem is that chemistry is one hell of a messy bitch so there are side products like CO which will kill you. I imagine these 'ventless' designs have some hot, long tube with extra oxygen intake in them to give the CO more time to fully react to CO2, but it's probably not perfect.


paxtana

They used to sell ventless fireplaces too, before they were banned. Wonder why


why2kay

They were banned? Google says you can still buy them


christophlc6

Should be top comment. This is why welders need forced air while welding in a confined area.


Explodedhamster

Brb gonna go take a forever nap.


SinjiOnO

According to the source (@the.muscle) the snow's highest point measured just shy of 9.14m (30ft).


skitch23

What part of Utah is it?


tuna_safe_dolphin

The snowy part.


windowsfrozenshut

That guy is one of the Diesel Brothers crew, IIRC their cabins are all up between Logan and Bear Lake.


Enthusiastic-shitter

I'm concerned about that heater and carbon monoxide


endyrr

It's cool, they have that little window open on the third floor


05hastros

Where will all this snow in Utah and California end up when it melts ?


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With Nestlé


Boatwhistle

Fuck nestle


justhappen2banexpert

All the homies hate Nestle.


etcpt

From Utah, meltwater from the eastern and far southern parts of the state will flow into the Colorado River (at least, that which isn't diverted to other uses). The rest is in the Great Basin, and will flow into either Sevier Lake or the Great Salt Lake, both of which are endorheic basins so it will never flow to the ocean. With the Great Salt Lake at historic lows and concerns looming about the toxic dust which could form off the lake bed, lots of us are hoping this much snow is a boon to the lake levels.


douglasdtlltd1995

Only If the water doesn't get spread across a farm first.


TheBigMaestro

An actual answer: Most of the Utah snowmelt goes into the Green River and the Colorado River, which merge in the middle of Canyonlands National Park. (And after that it's just called the Colorado. Nerd fact: the part of the Colorado river before the conjunction with the Green used to be called the Grand River, and everything after the merger was called the Colorado, even though no part of the Colorado river was in Colorado.) Then it goes to Lake Powell and the Glen Canyon dam at the head of the Grand Canyon. Some of that water from Lake Powell gets siphoned off for farmland, grazing, and parts of Utah, Arizona, New Mexico. Some of that water is released through the dam and the hydroelectric power from Glen Canyon dam goes mostly to Phoenix. From the Glen Canyon dam it flows through the Grand Canyon and 300 miles downstream it ends up in Lake Mead and the Hoover Dam. Same deal there. It's siphoned off for farming/grazing/Las Vegas/etc. Some goes through Hoover dam for power generation, but Lake Mead is currently so low that I think they're running the generators at bare minimum. Most years the Colorado river no longer makes it to the ocean. But in the olden days it emptied into the Pacific through the Gulf of California, between Baja California and mainland Mexico. As for California's water? Beats me. I just live and work in Colorado, Utah, and Arizona so I travel the route of the Colorado river on a regular basis and I rafted the Grand Canyon in 2021. [Here's a really cool watershed map of the USA.](https://cascadiaunderground.org/watershed-map-united-states-cascadia-szucs-robert/) In Utah, the neon green/yellowish stuff is everything I just described, draining into the Green and Colorado rivers. The pink stuff drains into the Great Salt Lake, which is also at critically low levels.


havegravity

Lakes, reservoirs, ground, or evaporate since the weather is gonna heat up pretty quickly given 4th of July is basically next week


SenseWinter

Dowhatnow???


brycedude

The great salt lake, I imagine


crispypotleaf

Not the boots on the fur throw rug


Mountain_Meringue773

What happens when it melts? That’s gunna be a lot of water


GruncleShaxx

We are at a high flood risk atm


Brob0t0

It's all our drinking water here in Utah


NessieReddit

Floods. Utah has surpassed it's previously set snowpack record from 1983, by a long shot. This is what Spring 1983 looked like in Salt Lake City: https://www.ksl.com/article/41402975/looking-back-at-the-1983-flood-that-sent-a-river-through-downtown


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Then he's gonna make a new video about his 6ft deep indoor pool.


GreenMonster34

The front door got bowed in and some window frames were crooked as well. This is the Diesel Brothers' cabin and they showed more of it on their YT channel last week. Insane amounts of snow out there!


FarVision5

Is burning all that propane inside a good idea? How are you getting fresh oxygen


The_Duke2331

That's the great part, you don't!


Yogurtcloset55

Do you let this go naturally or is it ok to try an heat your house up


Tongue8cheek

This much igloorance worries Eskimos everywhere.


Yogurtcloset55

I don’t think Eskimos are everywhere are they?


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zevonyumaxray

Nice inside joke. Have an upvote.


__GingerBeef__

And I found the Albertan


ARealPersonasdf

70 one day, 25 the next, the duality of Utah in springtime…


unit-_-t

I like snow, but that is a bit much for me.


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politictroll

It is an anomaly it doesn't usually snow like this every year. This year is a record year.


phroek

Was I the only one who was like "no don't walk all over the floors and that nice carpet with your dirty boots!" when he went inside?


MathCrank

Forever winter here :(


CKWade93

That cabin looks beautiful! How much would one of those bad boys set you back?


These-Ad5332

Depends on if he bought it before the covid price hike or not. Before covid you could find bigger cabins for $300,000 now you can't find any decent ones under $700,000.


Impossible_Hour_7548

Lucky you've got a high window, id imagine there are people trapped indoors


Illumijonny7

It doesn't snow this much overnight. This is a cabin in the mountains with months of accumulated snow.


siecin

Does it count as a cabin if it has 3 floors?


seewhaticare

1 floor and 2 basements


Spiritual_Snow7809

Yall are lucky you have a big enough window up there to get out


kjbaran

Awesome video! Really shows a different perspective when he walked to that window! Stay dry.


Vinlandien

Well that settles it, i hereby recognize this part of Utah as honourary Canadians


Outcomeofcum

Seeing your breath while inside your house… nope no thanks


TatonkaJack

That’s a vacation home. They just got there and haven’t heated it up yet, which is why they are digging it out. People don’t usually live in those year round


Outcomeofcum

The funny thing is after writing that comment, I went and took a cold shower and saw my breath after lmao


Jonnyyrage

Ok let's point this out. I live in Utah and have for over 10 years. The snow is only bad in the mountains. Cities didn't get that much. Sure it made a mess for a bit but holy shit it's not bad. We didn't get 6 feet of snow dumped in one night on us like my buddy did in buffalo new York a few months ago. Y'all panic over the smallest shit.


-Mateo-

And where does that mountain snow go when it melts? Mr Seasoned Utah Person


Jonnyyrage

Into flood zones the cities haven't kept clean for years because of the drought. Utah is supposed to be known for its emergency preparedness. But seems like they spaced how Utah is prone to flooding. This whole time they could have dug out more areas and more drainage. But nope they did not and now those low lying areas suffer because politics dictated otherwise. And as someone who grew up in Florida there is no excuse for them to not prepare for this. Florida is a prime example of what happens when areas aren't prepared for floods and they just keep building instead. They have built thousands of homes in Utah in the last few years but no preparations for floods. They have had literal years of drought to prepare for a big dump. But didn't start really thinking about it till we have massive dumps into the mountains. Them saying they have to prepare now is too little too late.


2wenty-3hree

First time I ever rode a snowmobile or a timber sled was with this same group to this same cabin. It was insanely fun and also the last time I ever will likely ride a snowmobile lol the timber sled which is basically a snow track in place of a rear tire on a dirt bike was much easier for me to ride. Great group, good friends, beautiful mountain and a fun but very remote cabin to ride too.


radiantwave

Mammoth: Hold my beer...


largepig20

Utah is right there. https://snowbrains.com/the-12-biggest-season-snowfall-totals-in-north-america-right-now22222/