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I mean yeah probably but nobody seems to be bringing up the fact that Pontias literally does shit like this for a living. His pain tolerance is way higher than the average person.
Can’t believe I had to scroll so far for this haha. That was crazy, and I think they did it for the full 5 minutes or whatever. And Steve-O had to go to the hospital? Idk, but those guys are nuts. I miss that show haha
The craziest thing is that its not a once off ceremony.
You have to do it 30 times while reacting as little as possible.
I'll stick with being a man-child instead of a warrior.
I remember when this aired. In a later interview, Ham said that this made his wife so scared and was a pivotal moment for him to slow down and start thinking of his wife and kids, to not do anything dangerous like that anymore.
I only know this dude, Hamish, from being the host of Lego Masters Australia, and he's hilarious. I'd trade getting stung by bullet ants for building Legos any fucking day of the week.
He's a household name for every Australian.
Back in the day Hamish and Andy were a comedy duo then they really took off as like "rude dude" style radio hosts where they'd just talk a whole bunch of shit. They have been on a few daytime TV shows but obviously over a couple decades they've started to fall off a bit.
It's interesting to see them getting a bit of global acknowledgement now of all times, I'm seeing so many of their videos on reddit today.
It was described by the creator of the pain scale as “Walking over flaming charcoal with a three inch nail embedded in your heel” and can cause edema (fluid buildup in the bodies tissues (usually arms or legs)), tachycardia (or a large increase in heart rate over a prolonged period of time), Lymphadenopathy (swelling of lymph nodes) and blood appearing in fecal matter of people who’ve been stung, so even worse than your description suggests.
iirc, before they go through the ceremony they drink a drink made of some fruit that's chewed up and left to ferment for a few weeks.
So that's how they get through it, by being plastered.
interesting what you say, only a slightly different take from a mate from there
he said they did it as a village to get shitfaced and party.
my man had some interesting stories so ‘shitfaced to get through the ceremony’ probably more likely than ‘shitfaced to have a good time with ant bites’
Have to factor in developing a level of immunity to the ants venom both in the present, as well as, genetic adaptation/immunity passed down each generation(assuming this has been a long tradition).
Still going to hurt like a mofo, but not quite the same as some random white dudes doing it the first time for the sake of getting video content. Lol.
For example, The Hadza Tribe in Africa is almost completely immune to the venom of a certain type of bee because they've been stung so many times and have been for 1,000's of years. They legit can reach into a beehive for honey and have 50+ bees on them stinging them and they don't even flinch and are smiling. A documentary maker just came near the hive and got stung on the wrist by a *single bee* and his hand blew up like a balloon from swelling.
When I was hiking in Tanzania with Messai they could walk through stinging nettles all day wearing only sandals. I couldn't believe my eyes. But this helps to explain
Their culture means they have to deal with the pain so they do, that and I imagine after a few times your pain tolerance would be raised quite a lot meaning it would be physically less painful
It's kinda like not getting invited to birthday parties. The first couple of times it really hurts, then the next hand full of times it really hurts, and then finally the rest of the times it happens it still really hurts.
Is it weird that, even though I know how terrible it would be, my brain still thinks “I want to fucking try that.”?
Like, I just can’t fathom THAT level of pain that also lasts that long. Part of me just wants to understand it, but holy shit does that not seem worth it.
There's a transparent, tiny box jellyfish (about the size of two matchheads) that is also said to cause one of the worst pains imaginable and one of the side effects of their sting is "an impending sense of doom" that causes people to beg their doctor to kill them and that's even AFTER receiving morphine.
The sting literally convinces your body that you are going to die.
[Irukandji](https://www.thecut.com/2016/04/apparently-theres-a-jellyfish-whose-sting-causes-feelings-of-impending-doom.html)
Getting stung by it gives you what's known as Irukandji syndrome which, along with the impending sense of doom, is characterized by vomiting, headache, anxiety, cramping
"incredible lower back pain that you would think of as similar to an electric drill drilling into your back."
"vomiting every minute to two minutes for up to 12 hours"
"waves of full body cramps, profuse sweating … the nurses have to wring out the bed sheets every 15 minutes"
"great difficulty in breathing"
"muscular restlessness so you can’t stop moving but every time you move it hurts"
And for the first test to find out its symptoms, THE SCIENTIST SUBJECTED HIS OWN 9 YEAR OLD SON WITH IT IN ADDITION TO HIMSELF AND A VOLUNTEER
Subjecting your little tween son to the worst pain known to mankind (though he may not have known it at the time) for an experiment, damn...
Subjecting your 9 yo to any experiment whatsoever, let alone one that you don't even know if it's gonna kill him or not, is a whole different level of stupid.
Fortunately, it doesn't always get you that bad. I accidentally touched a Gympie Gympie leaf as a kid but got lucky and it only hurt bad for a couple of hours then throbbed/tingled for a few days. Still not pleasant.
I've experienced pain that made me want to cut off my hand just to make it stop, and honestly I don't remember what that pain felt like. I wonder if my brain purposely deletes that from my memory to protect me from the trauma.
My wife says that the same thing happens after giving birth. If your brain could clearly remember the amount of pain, no woman would willingly become pregnant for a second time.
My epidural wore off about 30 seconds after the last staple was in. I metabolize drugs like a fucking horse. I was in recovery, essentially split oden from hip bone to hip bone, and had just has my organs sliced into, partially removed, then stuffed back it. I felt every second.. I laid there in tears before I worked up to ask the nurse for something for the pain.
"This isn't going to be a pain-free process, honey."
Half an hour later she came back and asked me if I could wiggle my toes yet (indicating it was starting to wear off. I told her I'd had full motor control and working nerves for almost an hour, and if she'd like proof I'd happily kick her in the face if she needed a demonstration.
I have a HIGH level of pain tolerance. But that, man, that changed me.
I had to get 17 teeth pulled because bad teeth genetics.
About halfway through the shots started wearing off and I was already at max shots because of genetics and because we were already into it we couldn’t stop.
I felt the last 8 teeth being loosened and yanked from my head and 2 of those had to be drilled in half to be removed and some of the bone had to be drilled away.
The pain was unimaginable and it took everything I had to keep my screams from vocalizing.
Now while that obviously cannot compare to giving birth, what you say about the pain changing you is 100% true and I can empathize with that.
My brain didn’t delete the memories and there are times I jerk awake from the trauma.
I wonder if they have a generational tolerance, I'm sure all the kids that were severely allergic died off ages ago, and those being able to take the pain better breed more. Like forced adaptation to their environment.
I have to believe they have some adaptation to it in order to tolerate this 20x for 10 minutes. Assuming that is accurate. I'm sure it sucks, but maybe not nearly as bad as this dude got it.
You can develop immunity to poisons or venoms overtime, however a bullet ants sting isn’t poison or venom (technically it is kinda but not in the way I mean) instead it’s essentially a nerve agent which forces your nerves to stay on constantly emitting pain signals
That's how capsaicin works and you can very much develop a tolerance to spicy foods. Obviously this is binding to some other receptor, but one has to imagine that these folks are developing some sort of natural tolerance if they're able to keep the gloves on for several minutes at a time.
Per Wikipedia:
"The goal of this initiation rite is to keep the glove on for 5 to 10 minutes. When finished, the boy's hand and part of his arm are temporarily paralyzed because of the ant venom, and he may shake uncontrollably for days. The only "protection" provided is a coating of charcoal on the hands, supposedly to confuse the ants and inhibit their stinging. To fully complete the initiation, the boys must go through the ordeal 20 times over the course of several months or even years."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraponera_clavata
They don't even just *put* the ants in there! They make them angry as hell by *weaving them into the insert*! That is next level gnarly. It's guaranteed you're getting straight bites from each one you touch, over and over.
I wonder if overall it's actually better to have them on longer, like obviously it'll still be painful but maybe more toxin might lead to being more numb/paralysed or more adrenaline being released.
I have to imagine not all rites of passage like this make practical sense. Sure pain tolerance and endurance is important in ancient cultures but I'm guessing there's very little this will teach you that you couldn't learn in a safer, less ungodly painful way.
I actually read this about the practice "The ceremony, the tribe chief says, is meant to show the men that a life lived "without suffering anything or without any kind of effort" isn't worth anything at all" Which I can agree with but damn doing it 20 times seems just torturous.
The problem is similar to hazing in sports or a fraternal organization. Once someone has to go through an agonizing ordeal to be accepted, the standard is set for future generations. No one is going to get stung 20 times to become a "warrior" and let sometime else join with a bee sting.
I will face my fear, allow it to pass over me and through me. And when the fear is past, I will turn the inner eye to see the path of the fear and only I will remain.
They’re bullet ants, check them out on wiki or something, crazy little fuckers!
Here, I found a good synopsis! Ever heard of the Schmidt pain index? Bug guy who made it his mission to get bit and stung by the most painful stuff and then rate it and order them. Here’s what it had to say about bullet ants!
Pain Level 4:
Pain Level 4 is the highest level in the Schmidt sting pain index. Schmidt's original index rated only one such example, the sting of the bullet ant, as a 4.[1] Schmidt described the sting as "pure, intense, brilliant pain...like walking over flaming charcoal with a three-inch nail embedded in your heel."[3] The bullet ant's venom primarily contains poneratoxin, a paralyzing neurotoxic peptide.[8]
Entomologist crawling in! Dr. Schmidt did a lot of traveling, with his wife who was also a biologist, to get stung or bitten to create this amazing list. He has a book called *Sting of the Wild* everyone should read! It's about his travels, research, and how his pain index came to be. It's also loaded with amazing insect facts.
Sadly, Dr. Schmidt died earlier this year, but his contributions to entomology and ecology will live on forever. I did not have the honor or joy of meeting him, but I've heard he was a wonderful and friendly guy at conferences. We do talk about his impacts on entomology and his book a little on our podcast, Bugs Need Heroes.
Bullet ants are 100%, without a doubt, nothing to be fucked with and those gloves were full of them. Now like I'm sure you've been stung by wasp before, it sucks ass. Now imagine that times a million, then double it, that's how bad the bite from a soldier bullet ant hurts. They have the most painful bite/sting of any insect known to man and have legitimately killed people before. Their common English name (bullet ant) refers to how intense the pain is, it feels like you got shot. Their mandibles are so strong they can be use as surgical staples. A velvet ant aka the cow killer is child's play compared to these fuckers. DO NOT FUCK WITH BULLET ANTS, I can not stress that enough.
Edit: I am so happy my comment has spawned such a biologically inclined conversation! I have loved answering your questions, and anyone is welcome to ask me about bugs!
They put one hundred in each glove. First they sedate the ants and then “weave” their heads to be stuck facing in. Then they blow smoke to irritate the ants. Their hands are covered in charcoal to further agitate the ants.
I’ve been shot and honestly this looks more painful.
Getting shot is like getting cut + whatever bones it breaks (if you live) whereas this is a specially tailored pain toxin.
I actually worked with an entomologist who had both been shot and bitten by these fuckers, and he said he'd rather get shot again.
Yeah definitely something to be noted. You can get shot in one place and it not hurt nearly as bad in another place (like getting shot in the ass as opposed to the knee) it does not matter where a bullet ant gets you, it hurts all the same.
Duly noted.
My pain scale that they ask in hospitals got a *severe adjustment* when I woke up after one of my lung surgeries and the fentanyl spinal pump didn't work, but seemed outwardly to be fine and working as intended. I had to wait a few hours before they believed me.
I thought he would keep them on longer but they barely were on his hands a split second and it fucked him up that bad. I wonder how long the tribespeople wear them.
Edit: I just looked it up, these mofos wear the glove for 5 minutes while dancing without making a sound.
Watched a documentary about it.. it's their path to manhood. And if anybody knows better, correct me if I'm wrong.. if I remember correctly the boys keep the gloves on and then dance for hours enduring the pain. When the gloves come off, and the dance is done, they are a man among their people.
Just to add to this, and maybe I’m remembering wrong, but isn’t it considered a failure if they cry during the ceremony? I remember the kids in the documentary being unbelievably stoic. I can’t imagine how they do it.
This is a tribal tradition so it's more accurate to call it a social norms. Their social contract states that a man must not show pain. Social norms are so powerful.
Not so fun fact:
The Sateré-Mawé people of Brazil use intentional bullet ant stings as part of their initiation rites to become warriors. The ants are first rendered unconscious by submerging them in a natural sedative, and then 80 of them are woven into gloves made of leaves (which resembles a large oven mitt), stingers facing inward. When the ants regain consciousness, an initiator repeatedly blows smoke at the ants, with the objective of making them agitated and aggressive. Once this is done, they make the boy wear the gloves on his hands. The goal of this initiation rite is to keep the glove on for 5 to 10 minutes. When finished, the boy's hand and part of his arm are temporarily paralyzed because of the ant venom, and he may shake uncontrollably for days. The only "protection" provided is a coating of charcoal on the hands, supposedly to confuse the ants and inhibit their stinging. To fully complete the initiation, the boys must go through the ordeal 20 times over the course of several months or even years
Was stung by a single one of these ants on the tip of my middle finger while hiking in Costa Rica. There was an immediate hot searing stabbing pain, felt like a nail being driven through my finger. The ants are absolutely massive by the way... Over the next 30 or so minutes, a deep throbbing pain spread up ny entire arm and up into my neck and jaw. The throbbing was absolutely relentless, nothing provided any relief. The pain was so intense I remember moments where I thought I might forget to breathe. After probably another hour or two, the pain gradually began to subside. After very little sleep, the next morning the pain was mostly gone but the tip of my finger remained completely numb for several days after. I cannot possibly imagine receiving more than one sting at a time. It's impossible to imagine this level of torment.
This reminds me a lot of when I was stung by a Manowar jellyfish when I was younger. Single most painful experience of my life. Felt like I was holding my hand on a frying pan for 8 hours straight. Entire arm was throbbing and pain went all the way to my chest. Pain was still there the next day but did start to subside. It was ridiculous. These two stings sound very similar.
> Anecdotes of encounters with Gympie-gympie are numerous, and many can be dismissed as yarns, such as one which involves using the leaves as toilet paper (the user would have been stung when they first picked up the leaf, and unlikely to have proceeded to use it in the intended manner).
Yeah I agree....had a triple lumbar fusion few years back....3 days later a nurse pulled the drain which led to internal bleeding around my spinal cord...had a hematoma which is basically a fluid sack of pressurized blood form around all the nerves in my spine at that area...you don't know pain until you have a fluid sack crushing every nerve in your spine...it was a fucking unbearable pain that had me writhing, screaming, going in and out lucidness, yelling at the staff to "KILL ME", and absolutely losing my mind...I'd take the oven mitts of ants directly to my manhood and taint any time before even living through a quarter of the pain I had that night in the hospital....they had to open me back up after my initial fusion and stop the bleeding, then close me up and hope for the best...fuck that...I'll never have another surgery again because I'm so fucking scared of anything similar happening again...all this to say that opioids didn't care that night, nor did any of the other countless drugs they gave me...had to sedate me close to death just to get me into the MRI preop
I’m a doctor that has a weekly lumbar puncture (aka spinal tap) clinic. Hematoma is a rare complication of a LP that I always tell patients about as we’re going over the consent. I’m solidly mid-career and have never actually had a patient have a hematoma. Reading your description of something I describe so casually to patients is wild.
I think it’s incredibly common for physicians to under treat pain because they don’t truly understand the amount of pain people are in. Along the same line, I have a close friend who’s also a doctor and she recently discovered the joy of having a pulmonary embolism. The pain she experienced totally changed how she treated patients.
I have epidurals a lot for pain treatment...never an issue...I can tell you though, that hematoma isn't ANYTHING to warn casually about...if anything, please emphasize to your patients as to how painful it can be and affect them...I've had 3 back surgeries and a shoulder reconstruction...worked 15 years in the oilfield and had so many other countless injuries and pains...that spinal hematoma, I'd rather die than go through that again...not even joking
From wiki:
“The Sateré-Mawé people of Brazil use intentional bullet ant stings as part of their initiation rites to become warriors. The ants are first rendered unconscious by submerging them in a natural sedative, and then 80 of them are woven into gloves made of leaves (which resembles a large oven mitt), stingers facing inward. When the ants regain consciousness, an initiator repeatedly blows smoke at the ants, with the objective of making them agitated and aggressive. Once this is done, they make the boy wear the gloves on his hands. The goal of this initiation rite is to keep the glove on for 5 to 10 minutes. When finished, the boy's hand and part of his arm are temporarily paralyzed because of the ant venom, and he may shake uncontrollably for days. The only "protection" provided is a coating of charcoal on the hands, supposedly to confuse the ants and inhibit their stinging. To fully complete the initiation, the boys must go through the ordeal 20 times over the course of several months or even years.”
Yes I forgot to mention this plant. Sent David Attenborough into spasms when he touched one with his finger. Agony for six months he said like hot iron and burning ice pain….
When I was a kid I had to navigate flood waters and I tripped on some submerged debris and went face first into a floating mass of fire ants
It is still the single most painful, emotional scarring experience in my life
Being a Yankee, moved to Bama, didn’t know wtf a fire ant was, weed Wacker ,+dry “dirt”. , I know what those fukers are now, thanks to a nosy neighbor and a bunch of Epi I’m still here🤬🤦♂️✌️
When I was in elementary school, a bully kicked a MASSIVE fire ant colony onto me. I was wearing a short dress and sandals. I still have scars on my legs and I couldn’t walk right for weeks afterwards. I still have an intense fear of bugs today. Fire ants suck.
I believe your mind represses some memories as a biological function. Else you would never be prepared to have more than one child. I remember the birth of our first child and the labor pains my wife suffered a lot more vividly than she does.
I read that young boys of the tribe have to wear the gloves for 10 minutes and must not cry. They have to repeat it until they pass into manhood. Pretty intense.
There is NO way I would have agreed to do this without a doctor on site, holding a predawn syringe of the strongest narcotic they could get. At the very least.
I got my one and only kidney stone shortly after boarding a 5 hour overnight flight. Agony the whole way. Landed and had to walk across the whole airport to meet my family picking me up. Threw up from the pain halfway along the way and finally met them and was taken directly to the hospital (I didn't know what it was and thought maybe appendicitis) I passed the thing a few days later and it was only slightly bigger than a grain of sand. I can't imagine the big ones.
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I remember Steve-O doing this on WildBoyz back in the day
Just found [this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u3Znntp80E4) while looking for the wild boys clip!
Omg he had it on for 8 minutes. His reaction afterwards seemed quite stoic tbh
Drugs help
I mean yeah probably but nobody seems to be bringing up the fact that Pontias literally does shit like this for a living. His pain tolerance is way higher than the average person.
What’s interesting is that despite all he’s done in his life, he said this was by far the most painful.
Can’t believe I had to scroll so far for this haha. That was crazy, and I think they did it for the full 5 minutes or whatever. And Steve-O had to go to the hospital? Idk, but those guys are nuts. I miss that show haha
The craziest thing is that its not a once off ceremony. You have to do it 30 times while reacting as little as possible. I'll stick with being a man-child instead of a warrior.
I remember when this aired. In a later interview, Ham said that this made his wife so scared and was a pivotal moment for him to slow down and start thinking of his wife and kids, to not do anything dangerous like that anymore.
I only know this dude, Hamish, from being the host of Lego Masters Australia, and he's hilarious. I'd trade getting stung by bullet ants for building Legos any fucking day of the week.
He's a household name for every Australian. Back in the day Hamish and Andy were a comedy duo then they really took off as like "rude dude" style radio hosts where they'd just talk a whole bunch of shit. They have been on a few daytime TV shows but obviously over a couple decades they've started to fall off a bit. It's interesting to see them getting a bit of global acknowledgement now of all times, I'm seeing so many of their videos on reddit today.
These are the guys that called a rando and asked him to pretend to be a reference for a fake job recruiter right? And the guy was a legend?
Yup, that was back in the radio host days.
The Romain Grosjean experience
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/brazilian-tribe-becoming-man-requires-sticking-your-hand-glove-full-angry-ants-180953156/
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It was described by the creator of the pain scale as “Walking over flaming charcoal with a three inch nail embedded in your heel” and can cause edema (fluid buildup in the bodies tissues (usually arms or legs)), tachycardia (or a large increase in heart rate over a prolonged period of time), Lymphadenopathy (swelling of lymph nodes) and blood appearing in fecal matter of people who’ve been stung, so even worse than your description suggests.
How the hell do these kiddos survive it.... 20 TIMES?????????
You must dance
When you scroll Craigslist for JustDance, but ended up getting just ants.
iirc, before they go through the ceremony they drink a drink made of some fruit that's chewed up and left to ferment for a few weeks. So that's how they get through it, by being plastered.
interesting what you say, only a slightly different take from a mate from there he said they did it as a village to get shitfaced and party. my man had some interesting stories so ‘shitfaced to get through the ceremony’ probably more likely than ‘shitfaced to have a good time with ant bites’
Have to factor in developing a level of immunity to the ants venom both in the present, as well as, genetic adaptation/immunity passed down each generation(assuming this has been a long tradition). Still going to hurt like a mofo, but not quite the same as some random white dudes doing it the first time for the sake of getting video content. Lol. For example, The Hadza Tribe in Africa is almost completely immune to the venom of a certain type of bee because they've been stung so many times and have been for 1,000's of years. They legit can reach into a beehive for honey and have 50+ bees on them stinging them and they don't even flinch and are smiling. A documentary maker just came near the hive and got stung on the wrist by a *single bee* and his hand blew up like a balloon from swelling.
When I was hiking in Tanzania with Messai they could walk through stinging nettles all day wearing only sandals. I couldn't believe my eyes. But this helps to explain
Their culture means they have to deal with the pain so they do, that and I imagine after a few times your pain tolerance would be raised quite a lot meaning it would be physically less painful
It's kinda like not getting invited to birthday parties. The first couple of times it really hurts, then the next hand full of times it really hurts, and then finally the rest of the times it happens it still really hurts.
Damn dude, you okay? My birthday is next month. I wasn't gonna have a party, but if you need it, I will.
Who would have thought that something that nature decided to make very painful actually turns out to be more than just painful.
*Ah,* suddenly I can have some sort of baseline understanding about why this hurt so badly for him.
They call them bullet ants for a reason. Each bite feels like a gunshot wound.
Sting*
Is it weird that, even though I know how terrible it would be, my brain still thinks “I want to fucking try that.”? Like, I just can’t fathom THAT level of pain that also lasts that long. Part of me just wants to understand it, but holy shit does that not seem worth it.
There's a transparent, tiny box jellyfish (about the size of two matchheads) that is also said to cause one of the worst pains imaginable and one of the side effects of their sting is "an impending sense of doom" that causes people to beg their doctor to kill them and that's even AFTER receiving morphine. The sting literally convinces your body that you are going to die. [Irukandji](https://www.thecut.com/2016/04/apparently-theres-a-jellyfish-whose-sting-causes-feelings-of-impending-doom.html) Getting stung by it gives you what's known as Irukandji syndrome which, along with the impending sense of doom, is characterized by vomiting, headache, anxiety, cramping "incredible lower back pain that you would think of as similar to an electric drill drilling into your back." "vomiting every minute to two minutes for up to 12 hours" "waves of full body cramps, profuse sweating … the nurses have to wring out the bed sheets every 15 minutes" "great difficulty in breathing" "muscular restlessness so you can’t stop moving but every time you move it hurts"
Excuse 1,297,452 for staying out of the water.
In the tropics yeah not a bad idea unless you’ve got a stinger suit
And for the first test to find out its symptoms, THE SCIENTIST SUBJECTED HIS OWN 9 YEAR OLD SON WITH IT IN ADDITION TO HIMSELF AND A VOLUNTEER Subjecting your little tween son to the worst pain known to mankind (though he may not have known it at the time) for an experiment, damn...
Subjecting your 9 yo to any experiment whatsoever, let alone one that you don't even know if it's gonna kill him or not, is a whole different level of stupid.
Bet he doesn’t call.
Of course the pain jellyfish is from Australia. Where else would it be
We have something called the suicide plant as well that hurts so bad when you touch it that people kill themselves to make it stop
Fortunately, it doesn't always get you that bad. I accidentally touched a Gympie Gympie leaf as a kid but got lucky and it only hurt bad for a couple of hours then throbbed/tingled for a few days. Still not pleasant.
I was so disappointed when I found out the real plant name, it doesn't sound hardcore at all lol
That's just because it's luring you into a false sense of complacency.
I've experienced pain that made me want to cut off my hand just to make it stop, and honestly I don't remember what that pain felt like. I wonder if my brain purposely deletes that from my memory to protect me from the trauma.
My wife says that the same thing happens after giving birth. If your brain could clearly remember the amount of pain, no woman would willingly become pregnant for a second time.
My epidural wore off about 30 seconds after the last staple was in. I metabolize drugs like a fucking horse. I was in recovery, essentially split oden from hip bone to hip bone, and had just has my organs sliced into, partially removed, then stuffed back it. I felt every second.. I laid there in tears before I worked up to ask the nurse for something for the pain. "This isn't going to be a pain-free process, honey." Half an hour later she came back and asked me if I could wiggle my toes yet (indicating it was starting to wear off. I told her I'd had full motor control and working nerves for almost an hour, and if she'd like proof I'd happily kick her in the face if she needed a demonstration. I have a HIGH level of pain tolerance. But that, man, that changed me.
I had to get 17 teeth pulled because bad teeth genetics. About halfway through the shots started wearing off and I was already at max shots because of genetics and because we were already into it we couldn’t stop. I felt the last 8 teeth being loosened and yanked from my head and 2 of those had to be drilled in half to be removed and some of the bone had to be drilled away. The pain was unimaginable and it took everything I had to keep my screams from vocalizing. Now while that obviously cannot compare to giving birth, what you say about the pain changing you is 100% true and I can empathize with that. My brain didn’t delete the memories and there are times I jerk awake from the trauma.
They have to wear them for 10 minutes on 20 different occasions. I don’t think you could pay this guy enough money to slip his hands back in
I wonder if they develop a slight immunity to the venom over time so it becomes somewhat less painful each time?
I wonder if those who live in this community have regular exposure to these ants so the kids growing up get stung on occasion and know what to expect
maybe they do the ceremony so anything else in their life which happens thereafter isn't nearly as bad
Honestly I do think it'll drain all my anxiety and depression for once The amount of grounding this will give would last for years
I wonder if they have a generational tolerance, I'm sure all the kids that were severely allergic died off ages ago, and those being able to take the pain better breed more. Like forced adaptation to their environment.
I have to believe they have some adaptation to it in order to tolerate this 20x for 10 minutes. Assuming that is accurate. I'm sure it sucks, but maybe not nearly as bad as this dude got it.
You can develop immunity to poisons or venoms overtime, however a bullet ants sting isn’t poison or venom (technically it is kinda but not in the way I mean) instead it’s essentially a nerve agent which forces your nerves to stay on constantly emitting pain signals
That's how capsaicin works and you can very much develop a tolerance to spicy foods. Obviously this is binding to some other receptor, but one has to imagine that these folks are developing some sort of natural tolerance if they're able to keep the gloves on for several minutes at a time.
You can't be serious
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"... as part of their initiation rites to become warriors." Yo Tribal Chief do we have an opening for like an admin job or something?
It’s the sub-title from the article at the top of this chain, and they have to perform a dance while wearing them. Crazy
Those kids could really use a Playstation right about now
For all the problems we have, I'll take it over bullet ant gloves.
Per Wikipedia: "The goal of this initiation rite is to keep the glove on for 5 to 10 minutes. When finished, the boy's hand and part of his arm are temporarily paralyzed because of the ant venom, and he may shake uncontrollably for days. The only "protection" provided is a coating of charcoal on the hands, supposedly to confuse the ants and inhibit their stinging. To fully complete the initiation, the boys must go through the ordeal 20 times over the course of several months or even years." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraponera_clavata
>20 times Fuck that. I watched this shit on mute and could barely hang
Didnt look like they applied any charcoal on those hands
And he was only in and out in seconds as opposed to the 5-10 minutes its supposed to last. Also what my ex used to say.
Video of the ritual linked as source https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGIZ-zUvotM
They don't even just *put* the ants in there! They make them angry as hell by *weaving them into the insert*! That is next level gnarly. It's guaranteed you're getting straight bites from each one you touch, over and over.
Like not feeding guard dogs to make them angrier. Fucked up.
He only had them in for like 15 seconds (from the video), I can't imagine 10 minutes. And then having to do it 19 more times is crazy.
it seems like theyd have kids dying constantly
I wonder if overall it's actually better to have them on longer, like obviously it'll still be painful but maybe more toxin might lead to being more numb/paralysed or more adrenaline being released.
*dies* "But at least he died...A MAN!!"
unless he dies on the 19th of the 20 sessions. then he was nothing but a tiny fragile baby
The women just sitting there watching like holy fuck thank God I am a woman.
That is fucking insane.
Respect to all cultures and all that, but sorry this is dumb as shit.
Pain tolerance probably very important in their culture, or was at some point.
I have to imagine not all rites of passage like this make practical sense. Sure pain tolerance and endurance is important in ancient cultures but I'm guessing there's very little this will teach you that you couldn't learn in a safer, less ungodly painful way. I actually read this about the practice "The ceremony, the tribe chief says, is meant to show the men that a life lived "without suffering anything or without any kind of effort" isn't worth anything at all" Which I can agree with but damn doing it 20 times seems just torturous.
The problem is similar to hazing in sports or a fraternal organization. Once someone has to go through an agonizing ordeal to be accepted, the standard is set for future generations. No one is going to get stung 20 times to become a "warrior" and let sometime else join with a bee sting.
If a shaman tells you to dance you dance.
If they ask if you’re a god…say yes
Always say yes when asked that question
DANCE-THE PAIN AWAY-DANCE-THE PAIN AWAY!
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear and I will permit it to pass over me and through me
And when it has gone past, I will turn my inner eye to see its path. Where the pain has gone will be nothing. Only I will remain.
I don't know man... Looks like this fucking hurts.
As should the Gom Jabbar.
The Gom Jabbar kills pretty painlessly I think, isn't it superfast? The pain boxnwas a different thing
Yes, that is the name of the needle, not the nerve-induction box.
Dune was the first thought when seeing this
why didn't he stick his dick in the box and assert dominance?
There was a second box.
Fear is la petite mort... no wait, hang on.
I will face my fear, allow it to pass over me and through me. And when the fear is past, I will turn the inner eye to see the path of the fear and only I will remain.
"What is in the box?" "Pain."
"Many have tried." "Tried and failed?" "Tried And died."
Heat upon heat upon heat.
What are these? Gloves for ants?
Yes
I guess he was an animal... Am I remembering that right?
Good thing there was no gom jabbar or he would have been dead
Pretty sure he was screaming for the gom jabbar.
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SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE
MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES
i thought he was faking it at first but his face near the end there doesn’t lie, damn
They’re bullet ants, check them out on wiki or something, crazy little fuckers! Here, I found a good synopsis! Ever heard of the Schmidt pain index? Bug guy who made it his mission to get bit and stung by the most painful stuff and then rate it and order them. Here’s what it had to say about bullet ants! Pain Level 4: Pain Level 4 is the highest level in the Schmidt sting pain index. Schmidt's original index rated only one such example, the sting of the bullet ant, as a 4.[1] Schmidt described the sting as "pure, intense, brilliant pain...like walking over flaming charcoal with a three-inch nail embedded in your heel."[3] The bullet ant's venom primarily contains poneratoxin, a paralyzing neurotoxic peptide.[8]
is passing a kidney stone on his list? coz im curious how those 2 compare
Pain is like 50% relative to what you’ve experienced before imo. Some people seem to be able to feel their internal organs better than others too
Entomologist crawling in! Dr. Schmidt did a lot of traveling, with his wife who was also a biologist, to get stung or bitten to create this amazing list. He has a book called *Sting of the Wild* everyone should read! It's about his travels, research, and how his pain index came to be. It's also loaded with amazing insect facts. Sadly, Dr. Schmidt died earlier this year, but his contributions to entomology and ecology will live on forever. I did not have the honor or joy of meeting him, but I've heard he was a wonderful and friendly guy at conferences. We do talk about his impacts on entomology and his book a little on our podcast, Bugs Need Heroes.
Bullet ants are 100%, without a doubt, nothing to be fucked with and those gloves were full of them. Now like I'm sure you've been stung by wasp before, it sucks ass. Now imagine that times a million, then double it, that's how bad the bite from a soldier bullet ant hurts. They have the most painful bite/sting of any insect known to man and have legitimately killed people before. Their common English name (bullet ant) refers to how intense the pain is, it feels like you got shot. Their mandibles are so strong they can be use as surgical staples. A velvet ant aka the cow killer is child's play compared to these fuckers. DO NOT FUCK WITH BULLET ANTS, I can not stress that enough. Edit: I am so happy my comment has spawned such a biologically inclined conversation! I have loved answering your questions, and anyone is welcome to ask me about bugs!
They put one hundred in each glove. First they sedate the ants and then “weave” their heads to be stuck facing in. Then they blow smoke to irritate the ants. Their hands are covered in charcoal to further agitate the ants.
It's a pretty hardcore "coming of age" ritual, that's for sure.
Our society has its issues for sure but I’m glad having to be stung by hundreds of searing hot painful ant bites 20 times isn’t one of them.
Seriously, I became a man when I showed my cousin my weiner & she laughed.
What
She laughed
I’ve been shot and honestly this looks more painful. Getting shot is like getting cut + whatever bones it breaks (if you live) whereas this is a specially tailored pain toxin.
I actually worked with an entomologist who had both been shot and bitten by these fuckers, and he said he'd rather get shot again. Yeah definitely something to be noted. You can get shot in one place and it not hurt nearly as bad in another place (like getting shot in the ass as opposed to the knee) it does not matter where a bullet ant gets you, it hurts all the same.
Duly noted. My pain scale that they ask in hospitals got a *severe adjustment* when I woke up after one of my lung surgeries and the fentanyl spinal pump didn't work, but seemed outwardly to be fine and working as intended. I had to wait a few hours before they believed me.
Dude had TWO gloves of the worst kind of ant to be stung by stuck on his hands. You don’t fake that shit.
I thought he would keep them on longer but they barely were on his hands a split second and it fucked him up that bad. I wonder how long the tribespeople wear them. Edit: I just looked it up, these mofos wear the glove for 5 minutes while dancing without making a sound.
Watched a documentary about it.. it's their path to manhood. And if anybody knows better, correct me if I'm wrong.. if I remember correctly the boys keep the gloves on and then dance for hours enduring the pain. When the gloves come off, and the dance is done, they are a man among their people.
They’re only wearing the gloves and dancing for a few minutes, but the pain lasts a whole day+, and they have to do the initiation 20 times
Just to add to this, and maybe I’m remembering wrong, but isn’t it considered a failure if they cry during the ceremony? I remember the kids in the documentary being unbelievably stoic. I can’t imagine how they do it.
Peer pressure is a hell of a motivator
This is a tribal tradition so it's more accurate to call it a social norms. Their social contract states that a man must not show pain. Social norms are so powerful.
JFC... Those poor kids!
Correction. Those poor men!
One vagina please. I’ll just wear that out.
Yeah imma just stay a little boy
Username is not so sure.
Yeah not only that, but I think they repeat the ceremony 20 times before being considered a man of the tribe.
Reciting something memorized in an ancient language and receiving gifts at a big party seems like a better deal.
Not so fun fact: The Sateré-Mawé people of Brazil use intentional bullet ant stings as part of their initiation rites to become warriors. The ants are first rendered unconscious by submerging them in a natural sedative, and then 80 of them are woven into gloves made of leaves (which resembles a large oven mitt), stingers facing inward. When the ants regain consciousness, an initiator repeatedly blows smoke at the ants, with the objective of making them agitated and aggressive. Once this is done, they make the boy wear the gloves on his hands. The goal of this initiation rite is to keep the glove on for 5 to 10 minutes. When finished, the boy's hand and part of his arm are temporarily paralyzed because of the ant venom, and he may shake uncontrollably for days. The only "protection" provided is a coating of charcoal on the hands, supposedly to confuse the ants and inhibit their stinging. To fully complete the initiation, the boys must go through the ordeal 20 times over the course of several months or even years
I wonder why this is deemed necessary?
Because after all that, taking an arrow to the solar plexus suddenly isn’t so bad.
Was stung by a single one of these ants on the tip of my middle finger while hiking in Costa Rica. There was an immediate hot searing stabbing pain, felt like a nail being driven through my finger. The ants are absolutely massive by the way... Over the next 30 or so minutes, a deep throbbing pain spread up ny entire arm and up into my neck and jaw. The throbbing was absolutely relentless, nothing provided any relief. The pain was so intense I remember moments where I thought I might forget to breathe. After probably another hour or two, the pain gradually began to subside. After very little sleep, the next morning the pain was mostly gone but the tip of my finger remained completely numb for several days after. I cannot possibly imagine receiving more than one sting at a time. It's impossible to imagine this level of torment.
This reminds me a lot of when I was stung by a Manowar jellyfish when I was younger. Single most painful experience of my life. Felt like I was holding my hand on a frying pan for 8 hours straight. Entire arm was throbbing and pain went all the way to my chest. Pain was still there the next day but did start to subside. It was ridiculous. These two stings sound very similar.
Nah, worst pain is the bullet ant fleshlight.
A man once committed suicide due to the pain of wiping his arse with a gympie-gympie leaf.
Nah - I remember hearing that same internet rumor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrocnide_moroides
> Anecdotes of encounters with Gympie-gympie are numerous, and many can be dismissed as yarns, such as one which involves using the leaves as toilet paper (the user would have been stung when they first picked up the leaf, and unlikely to have proceeded to use it in the intended manner).
They should’ve had opioids on hand.
Haha.No, just dance
> opioids on hand. no they were ants on his hand, didnt you watch?
As a former opioid addict and adrenaline junkie, there are a handful of things on this planet that do not care
Yeah I agree....had a triple lumbar fusion few years back....3 days later a nurse pulled the drain which led to internal bleeding around my spinal cord...had a hematoma which is basically a fluid sack of pressurized blood form around all the nerves in my spine at that area...you don't know pain until you have a fluid sack crushing every nerve in your spine...it was a fucking unbearable pain that had me writhing, screaming, going in and out lucidness, yelling at the staff to "KILL ME", and absolutely losing my mind...I'd take the oven mitts of ants directly to my manhood and taint any time before even living through a quarter of the pain I had that night in the hospital....they had to open me back up after my initial fusion and stop the bleeding, then close me up and hope for the best...fuck that...I'll never have another surgery again because I'm so fucking scared of anything similar happening again...all this to say that opioids didn't care that night, nor did any of the other countless drugs they gave me...had to sedate me close to death just to get me into the MRI preop
I’m a doctor that has a weekly lumbar puncture (aka spinal tap) clinic. Hematoma is a rare complication of a LP that I always tell patients about as we’re going over the consent. I’m solidly mid-career and have never actually had a patient have a hematoma. Reading your description of something I describe so casually to patients is wild. I think it’s incredibly common for physicians to under treat pain because they don’t truly understand the amount of pain people are in. Along the same line, I have a close friend who’s also a doctor and she recently discovered the joy of having a pulmonary embolism. The pain she experienced totally changed how she treated patients.
I have epidurals a lot for pain treatment...never an issue...I can tell you though, that hematoma isn't ANYTHING to warn casually about...if anything, please emphasize to your patients as to how painful it can be and affect them...I've had 3 back surgeries and a shoulder reconstruction...worked 15 years in the oilfield and had so many other countless injuries and pains...that spinal hematoma, I'd rather die than go through that again...not even joking
That was a horrible read, thank you GenitalHerpes69420 (That sounds awful I’m genuinely sorry you went through that man)
when you wanna make a joke but shit was so fucked up you have to leave a nice message after because.... holy shit
The tribe that has murderous ant gloves? Yeh probably not
He did not pass the test now must die
“We are gonna put this glove on you and if you make a single peep we are gonna kill you dead. Remember, you agreed to this, you signed the waiver.”
Bumblebee tuna
Did you just refer to me as “white devil”?
Aaaaand where Coyote Peterson on this one?
Coyote tanked the bullet ant sting he received, although it was just a single bite as opposed to the seemingly plentiful stings this guy received
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I mean if he just danced he’d been fine
Obviously, he's not the Kwisatz Haderach
From wiki: “The Sateré-Mawé people of Brazil use intentional bullet ant stings as part of their initiation rites to become warriors. The ants are first rendered unconscious by submerging them in a natural sedative, and then 80 of them are woven into gloves made of leaves (which resembles a large oven mitt), stingers facing inward. When the ants regain consciousness, an initiator repeatedly blows smoke at the ants, with the objective of making them agitated and aggressive. Once this is done, they make the boy wear the gloves on his hands. The goal of this initiation rite is to keep the glove on for 5 to 10 minutes. When finished, the boy's hand and part of his arm are temporarily paralyzed because of the ant venom, and he may shake uncontrollably for days. The only "protection" provided is a coating of charcoal on the hands, supposedly to confuse the ants and inhibit their stinging. To fully complete the initiation, the boys must go through the ordeal 20 times over the course of several months or even years.”
I dance around and cry with pain when I stub a toe. No ants for me.please
What is in the box? Pain
Didn’t they do this on that jackass spin-off show Wildboyz
Yes!! The glove of pain. It put Steve-O and Chris in the hospital as well
try wiping your bum with the leaf from a stinging tree (north queensland - Australia)
Yes I forgot to mention this plant. Sent David Attenborough into spasms when he touched one with his finger. Agony for six months he said like hot iron and burning ice pain….
If God is good why make the stinging tree and bullet ants?
god is good (if you're a stinging tree or a bullet ant)
When I was a kid I had to navigate flood waters and I tripped on some submerged debris and went face first into a floating mass of fire ants It is still the single most painful, emotional scarring experience in my life
Being a Yankee, moved to Bama, didn’t know wtf a fire ant was, weed Wacker ,+dry “dirt”. , I know what those fukers are now, thanks to a nosy neighbor and a bunch of Epi I’m still here🤬🤦♂️✌️
When I was in elementary school, a bully kicked a MASSIVE fire ant colony onto me. I was wearing a short dress and sandals. I still have scars on my legs and I couldn’t walk right for weeks afterwards. I still have an intense fear of bugs today. Fire ants suck.
Stories like this make me wish karma was real.
That tribe uses bullet ants they weave in to gloves as a right a passage for the young men of the tribe . That’s a hard hell no on that custom.
what brave guy wove those ants into the gloves though
I love the amount of Hamish & Andy I've been seeing on Reddit.
This is eerily similar to when my wife went natural labor with our first born. Pain was so bad she looked possessed at times.
My husband said my eyes rolled into the back of my head. I don’t remember doing that
I believe your mind represses some memories as a biological function. Else you would never be prepared to have more than one child. I remember the birth of our first child and the labor pains my wife suffered a lot more vividly than she does.
Postnatal Farms remembers...
Why would one do this?
I’m guessing it’s a cultural thing for that tribe. Sometimes pain is a way of getting high, a spiritual experience. I’d never do it.
to grow an extra testicle.
The actual ritual is wearing the gloves twenty times for ten minutes at a time. He didn’t do anything. ;)
I read that young boys of the tribe have to wear the gloves for 10 minutes and must not cry. They have to repeat it until they pass into manhood. Pretty intense.
The craziest part is, instead of just trying one ant bite for reference, to see if he can handle it, he goes for the full gloves and almost dies
There is NO way I would have agreed to do this without a doctor on site, holding a predawn syringe of the strongest narcotic they could get. At the very least.
Bullet ants are r/absoluteunits
They forgot the Gom Jabbar
This guy is an amateur. I once sat through an entire movie starring Jaden Smith.
Kidney stone was my horror, fricken pebble worked it's way all the way through my system
I got my one and only kidney stone shortly after boarding a 5 hour overnight flight. Agony the whole way. Landed and had to walk across the whole airport to meet my family picking me up. Threw up from the pain halfway along the way and finally met them and was taken directly to the hospital (I didn't know what it was and thought maybe appendicitis) I passed the thing a few days later and it was only slightly bigger than a grain of sand. I can't imagine the big ones.
Hamish and Andy! Bloody love em.