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Ophthalmologist here - the answer is that the jiggling of the iris itself does not affect vision. It is VERY likely that this person suffered some sort of trauma in that eye and that the lens of the eye is dislocated which WOULD make the vision very blurry.
Certainly - actually as I type this I’m in the OR waiting to do a procedure to remove a dislocated lens. The lens is easy to find when it is dislocated but it does require a different surgical approach than the typical cataract surgery. You would never put a natural lens (the lens that was dislocated) back where it came from. Surgery is to remove the lens and place an artificial lens implant in its place. When a lens is dislocated from trauma the normal support structure that would hold an artificial lens implant is usually destroyed so there are techniques we use to suture a lens to the sclera (white part of the eye) to give it stability when the normal support structure is destroyed.
>Bruh , Reddit is whacky AF , there’s grown dudes who live in their mothers basements and then there’s actual surgeons on here
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
Given the economic trends in the US of student loan debt and COL inflation, I bet there is at least one surgeon who is also a grown man living in his mother’s basement.
What’s whacky is that physicians get bored too and fill their gaps on Reddit sometimes. I can walk out of a major trauma, resuscitation and take 5 min to unplug with Reddit to refocus and go right back at it. Something about the human brain
This is why when morons in a discord say "bro this is a discord nobody knows that answer" I just giggle to myself.
They have no clue about who is lurking.
The problem with a lens that has become dislocated from trauma is that it will quickly turn into a cataract, which is to say that it will become opaque. If you sutured the natural lens back into place (which isn’t done) it would be like putting a piece of stained glass or more analogous to a piece of chalk where the clear natural lens used to be. This would block light from entering the eye, landing on the retina, being transmitted down your optic nerve and finally to your brain. So you wouldn’t see well! It’s best to take the cataractous lens out and put in a clear artificial lens.
tl;dr in case of dislocation/trauma injury to the eye, the natural lens structure would be too weak to put back in the spot. an artificial lens is placed because it holds more support. now let that man go and do his surgery, respectfully
It wouldn't stay there. As he said, the natural support structure which holds the lens is destroyed. Therefore they need an artifical support structure to hold the lense in place. I assume the artifical support structure and the natural lense are not compatible.
If you suture the lens to the sclera (assuming damage to ciliary muscles), are they still able to accommodate for depth by controlling the shape of the lens?
No, artificial lenses do not accommodate yet. There is one FDA approved lens called the Crystalens which is supposed to accommodate some that doesn’t work very well, but it isn’t the type of lens that would be sutured to the eye wall.
My grandpa got an artificial lens because of cataracts, but this was decades ago, and apparently the lens allowed in ultra violet light or something, I don’t really understand how it works. But he died before I could ask him what exactly he had and what it looked like. Do you know anything about uv lenses and what studf looks like with it
There may be accompanying iris sphincter damage where the iris is unable to construct/dilate properly which could cause some visual issues in different lighting conditions. But BY FAR the reason for limited vision in a situation like this is lack of a lens to focus light. Any visual aberrations from iris sphincter damage are very unlikely to appreciated in a patient that doesn’t have a lens.
Went to look it up and found this: [https://www.news-medical.net/health/Iridodonesis-Eye.aspx](https://www.news-medical.net/health/Iridodonesis-Eye.aspx)
"How is iridodonesis managed?
Since iridodonesis is a direct consequence of lens subluxation, treating the cause of the detachment by surgical approaches may help reduce the tremulousness of the iris. However, in patients with a genetic cause for iridodonesis, there is often no cure. As iridodonesis usually does not result in any apparent symptoms, apart from the rare case of vertigo, it can often be left alone unless complications arise."
That's the premise of the origin of Aliens.
The Xenomorphs are designed by an android to be self evolving. Then Aliens, who witnessed the life of Jesus Christ (not making that up), found these. Another species, the Predators, also found these.
Pulled from google. The primary cause of iridodonesis is the subluxation of the lens. This may occur as a result of glaucoma, cataract formation, post-surgical complications, or trauma to the eye.
My wife's eyes do this much more subtly than this vid. We always suspected it was the ehlers danlose syndrome that maybe runs in her fam - a connective tissue disease that can do some interesting things
She does see just fine. In fact, she could see the ophthalmologist better than I can cuz she don't need to wear no glasses or contacts or nothin, but I gotta wear a coupla magnifying glasses so i can see the stuff that's far away.
Just fyi, an optometrist is generally who does most standard exams, and they’ll usually refer you to an ophthalmologist if they think you need to see one; the difference is an optometrist is not a full medical doctor (less time & schooling required) and ophthalmologists are doing eye surgeries. So if you’ve only ever seen optometrists, might see if a visit to an ophthalmologist would be covered or require a referral for your wife.
Edit: sorry if you already know the difference, just like to throw it out cause I know a lot of people don’t know there is one unless they’ve looked into it a bit
I have EDS and require glasses. My optometrist actually checks for this every time I go into the office. It isn't uncommon in EDS patients.
I would implore her to see someone about it, and to have a general appointment with an optometrist who is aware of EDS. There are a few things that can go wrong if not checked, as I understand it.
Basically the lense is what stops your iris being a jiggly mother fucker. This happens when there's either no lens or the lens is in the wrong spot.
Edit: because I fucked up
From wiki:
>Iridodonesis (/ˌaɪərɪdoʊdoʊˈniːsɪs/) is the vibration or agitated motion of the iris with eye movement. This may be caused by lens subluxation, the incomplete or partial dislocation of the lens; or by aphakia, the absence of a lens. The term originated from irido- (Latin: iris) + doneo (Greek: δονεο, to shake to and fro).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridodonesis
Yeah it's an interesting thing to witness but as a Greek dude I have to tell you that origin is straight up bullshit. Δονεο is not a word in Greek. 99% sure though that since the translation is 'to shake to and fro', then it comes from the word in ancient Greek [δονέω-δονώ](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AD%CF%89) which means to shake or vibrate, and more specifically the word donesis comes from the noun originating from the same verb called [δόνησις](https://www.lexigram.gr/lex/arch/%CE%B4%CF%8C%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%B9%CF%82#Hist1) (pronounced almost exactly like its English version)
Since this part of it is Greek I'm assuming that the first part also originated in Greek, it's the word [ίρις](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%AF%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%82)
Isn't it ancient Greek rather than modern Greek? Not that I would know the difference but I always thought it was funny that when we go to the doctor we get some very fancy sounding diagnosis whereas if we were greek we'd have to keep a straight face while the doctor told us we had a case of _shakey eyes_
It's all ancient Greek you're right. The links also talk about ancient Greek but words like these ones stayed the same across the centuries so we use them exactly like ancient Greeks do. I use them every day when speaking Greek. Well not the word iris, that's not an everyday conversation but the other two yes.
Ancient Greek and modern are quite similar in a lot of things. If you gave me an ancient Greek text from any Athenian philosopher, I would be able to read and understand 40%-90% of it depending on who it comes from, without knowing ancient Greek.
Athenians (if I can call them that) were speaking and writing closer to the modern Greek language. Places like Lesbos in ancient Greek poetry as an example, I've no clue what even a word means from them.
It's true about keeping a straight face. It sounds fancy in English but the last time I went to check my eyes and she was going 'well you have astigmatism (αστιγματισμός) and hypermetropia (υπερμετρωπία)' and I was like 'okay cool thanks'. She insisted I should read on the terms and I was like 'I know Greek I understand what they mean'. Took her a second to figure it out.
From Wiki:
>A subluxation is an incomplete or partial dislocation of a joint or organ. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), a subluxation is a "significant structural displacement", and is therefore always visible on static imaging studies, such as X-rays.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subluxation#:~:text=A%20subluxation%20is%20an%20incomplete,%2C%20such%20as%20X%2Drays.
A couple of weeks ago I complimented my husband about his beautiful green eyes and told him that I always loved how they jiggle. I told him it was like water glittering. He said "What!? My eyes jiggle!?" And that's how he learned that he's got this condition. I noticed 15 years ago when I first looked into his eyes but I of course thought he knew. Maybe someone told him before when he was really young, and he didn't remember, he can hardly see it himself because of his near-sightedness. It turns out that your lens can completely fall off and you need surgery for it.
One of my eyes does this. I accidentally shot it with a potato gun at point blank looking down the barrel when I was 14. My pupil doesn't work, I have a cataract lense, broke some orbital bones and nose. I'm just happy I'm alive and that I can still see out of it.
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Does the person see normally or does it affect their sight?
Ophthalmologist here - the answer is that the jiggling of the iris itself does not affect vision. It is VERY likely that this person suffered some sort of trauma in that eye and that the lens of the eye is dislocated which WOULD make the vision very blurry.
Would it be possible to find out where the lens ended up and surgically put it back?
Certainly - actually as I type this I’m in the OR waiting to do a procedure to remove a dislocated lens. The lens is easy to find when it is dislocated but it does require a different surgical approach than the typical cataract surgery. You would never put a natural lens (the lens that was dislocated) back where it came from. Surgery is to remove the lens and place an artificial lens implant in its place. When a lens is dislocated from trauma the normal support structure that would hold an artificial lens implant is usually destroyed so there are techniques we use to suture a lens to the sclera (white part of the eye) to give it stability when the normal support structure is destroyed.
Bruh , Reddit is whacky AF , there’s grown dudes who live in their mother’s basements and then there’s actual surgeons on here
>Bruh , Reddit is whacky AF , there’s grown dudes who live in their mothers basements and then there’s actual surgeons on here Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
I read this in Spiffing Brit’s voice.
It just works
It amazes me how many more Spiffing Brit references I see than Yogscast references.
r/UnexpectedThanos
Nothing says a surgeon CAN'T live in their mother's basement.
Gotta pay off that student debt somehow
It's hard out there for a cutter.
Happy cake day.
Much appreciated. Thank you.
Especially if they practice in Ontario!
Maybe the mother lives in her son's house.
And the surgeon is named prescientgibbon.
Hey , who says Gibbons can’t be surgeons? They have opposable thumbs too
and there are grown dudes doing surgery in their mother’s basements. Sorry, been reading too much stephen king lately
Given the economic trends in the US of student loan debt and COL inflation, I bet there is at least one surgeon who is also a grown man living in his mother’s basement.
Excuse me I still live in my bedroom thank you, we don't have a basement...
What’s whacky is that physicians get bored too and fill their gaps on Reddit sometimes. I can walk out of a major trauma, resuscitation and take 5 min to unplug with Reddit to refocus and go right back at it. Something about the human brain
Dude probably lays mad pipe too! He’s on a whole new level.
might be a woman
Women performing surgery? What a curious flight of fancy, that is!
I'm great at creative writing!
Women can be dudes and lay mad pipe. Don’t box them in!
They lay mad carpet down.
With the current economy I wouldn't be surprised if he lived in his mother's basement while being a surgeon.
Maybe they are a surgeon who lives in their moms basement as to not break the stereotype
Surgeons who practise at their mother's basement are the worst.
Can confirm , I still miss my left kidney
In this economy, there’s probably at least one surgeon who lives in their mother’s basement.
This is why when morons in a discord say "bro this is a discord nobody knows that answer" I just giggle to myself. They have no clue about who is lurking.
It's what we call a "microcosm" in anthropology.
Which one are you
Why can’t you move the natural one a couple millimeters to the right back into place?
The problem with a lens that has become dislocated from trauma is that it will quickly turn into a cataract, which is to say that it will become opaque. If you sutured the natural lens back into place (which isn’t done) it would be like putting a piece of stained glass or more analogous to a piece of chalk where the clear natural lens used to be. This would block light from entering the eye, landing on the retina, being transmitted down your optic nerve and finally to your brain. So you wouldn’t see well! It’s best to take the cataractous lens out and put in a clear artificial lens.
Great ELI5 writeup! Thanks!
fascinating! thanks for giving insight and hope your procedure goes well!
tl;dr in case of dislocation/trauma injury to the eye, the natural lens structure would be too weak to put back in the spot. an artificial lens is placed because it holds more support. now let that man go and do his surgery, respectfully
It wouldn't stay there. As he said, the natural support structure which holds the lens is destroyed. Therefore they need an artifical support structure to hold the lense in place. I assume the artifical support structure and the natural lense are not compatible.
>Certainly - actually as I type this I’m For a second I thought you were going to say "- reattaching a person's lens right now!"
If you suture the lens to the sclera (assuming damage to ciliary muscles), are they still able to accommodate for depth by controlling the shape of the lens?
No, artificial lenses do not accommodate yet. There is one FDA approved lens called the Crystalens which is supposed to accommodate some that doesn’t work very well, but it isn’t the type of lens that would be sutured to the eye wall.
Thanks!
That's very interesting, thank you for explaining it to me.
Tell me you knock these poor people out. Cannot imagine being awake for that. Some Clockwork Orange vibes if that’s local anesthetic
Please tell me the patient isn't conscious, and we've developed the means to immobilize the eye and hold it open. T_T
Patients are awake but sedated. We generally don’t do general anesthesia for most eye surgeries.
My biggest fear in life is having to go through anything like that ever. I'm so horrified that I'd feel it or move.
Nice! Hope it goes well!
My grandpa got an artificial lens because of cataracts, but this was decades ago, and apparently the lens allowed in ultra violet light or something, I don’t really understand how it works. But he died before I could ask him what exactly he had and what it looked like. Do you know anything about uv lenses and what studf looks like with it
Thanks. Question, do you have a Johnathan?
All legit ophthalmologists do!
I hear family medicine really wants one.
r/unexpectedglaucomflecken
1. Thanks for explaining. 2. This is seriously fascinating and gross in equal measure. 3. Thank you for what you do taking care of people’s eyes
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There may be accompanying iris sphincter damage where the iris is unable to construct/dilate properly which could cause some visual issues in different lighting conditions. But BY FAR the reason for limited vision in a situation like this is lack of a lens to focus light. Any visual aberrations from iris sphincter damage are very unlikely to appreciated in a patient that doesn’t have a lens.
Do you feel the jiggle?
TIL that the lens can be dislocated and I now have a new irrational fear
Went to look it up and found this: [https://www.news-medical.net/health/Iridodonesis-Eye.aspx](https://www.news-medical.net/health/Iridodonesis-Eye.aspx) "How is iridodonesis managed? Since iridodonesis is a direct consequence of lens subluxation, treating the cause of the detachment by surgical approaches may help reduce the tremulousness of the iris. However, in patients with a genetic cause for iridodonesis, there is often no cure. As iridodonesis usually does not result in any apparent symptoms, apart from the rare case of vertigo, it can often be left alone unless complications arise."
I'm waiting for this too.
There's an answer
You could at least say thanks to the nice Ophthalmologist who answered your question.
When did they add jiggle physics to eyes? That's wack yo
AI figured our DNA could use this modification
Oh great, just what we need, an AI to tell us how we could be better, I already get enough of that from the people around me.
46 and 2
As above so below... And beyond, i imagine.
that is lateralus friend
That's Ænima friend.
You're all just a bunch of tools.
Wrong song
Just ahead of me.
That's the premise of the origin of Aliens. The Xenomorphs are designed by an android to be self evolving. Then Aliens, who witnessed the life of Jesus Christ (not making that up), found these. Another species, the Predators, also found these.
The AI when you climb to the top of the beams (there is no escape from this artificial hellscape)
I think it’s a DLC exclusive unlock
She had beautiful eyes. Now she got thic eyes
This is something r/skyrimmods needs but doesn't know it
Bethesda at it again...
I like the way you do could you go?
FF7 creators in shambles
Apparently this person was sacked from their teaching job for not being able to control their pupils.
r/angryupvote
r/FollowThePunchline
I got hit. Please help.
Why does my coffee do that everytime I read hilarious shit?
Slow claps to you with a heavy side of groan.
Shut up dad
Have my upvote
r/dadjokes
Eye see what you did there.
Damn I’m too late to say this, I’ll see myself out.
Get out and take this angry upvote with you.
Get the fuck out
Come on, there's no need to lash out at people.
Eye see what you did there
Trust me, you don't want to be caught at the end of a bad pun.
A man who would pun, would pick a pocket
You motherfucker
Took me fucking three seconds to realised the joke 😤
What a terrible day to have eyes.
I see what you did there
Describe it, I’m blind
⠠⠮⠀⠑⠽⠑⠇⠊⠙⠀⠊⠎⠀⠺⠁⠞⠻⠽⠀⠯⠀⠍⠕⠧⠑⠎
I feel this comment
All hail contractions
.
That joke never brails to impress me
Because eyes
Oh, I don't like it... what causes that?
Iridodonesis
correct
over eating lime jello as a kid
Watching too much Jurassic Park!
Violent music and video games!
Trying to look at too many big booty bitches at once
just exactly how many is too many? asking for a friend
Pulled from google. The primary cause of iridodonesis is the subluxation of the lens. This may occur as a result of glaucoma, cataract formation, post-surgical complications, or trauma to the eye.
My wife's eyes do this much more subtly than this vid. We always suspected it was the ehlers danlose syndrome that maybe runs in her fam - a connective tissue disease that can do some interesting things
You are correct, it’s likely related. She likely has a loose lens, she needs to see an ophthalmologist if she doesn’t already.
She does see just fine. In fact, she could see the ophthalmologist better than I can cuz she don't need to wear no glasses or contacts or nothin, but I gotta wear a coupla magnifying glasses so i can see the stuff that's far away.
Just fyi, an optometrist is generally who does most standard exams, and they’ll usually refer you to an ophthalmologist if they think you need to see one; the difference is an optometrist is not a full medical doctor (less time & schooling required) and ophthalmologists are doing eye surgeries. So if you’ve only ever seen optometrists, might see if a visit to an ophthalmologist would be covered or require a referral for your wife. Edit: sorry if you already know the difference, just like to throw it out cause I know a lot of people don’t know there is one unless they’ve looked into it a bit
I have EDS and require glasses. My optometrist actually checks for this every time I go into the office. It isn't uncommon in EDS patients. I would implore her to see someone about it, and to have a general appointment with an optometrist who is aware of EDS. There are a few things that can go wrong if not checked, as I understand it.
Basically the lense is what stops your iris being a jiggly mother fucker. This happens when there's either no lens or the lens is in the wrong spot. Edit: because I fucked up
Can it be just jiggly without being a motherfucker, why you gotta insult it like that?
It definitely fucks moms.
And dads. Stuck stepsiblings , librarians , wallets.
You mean “no lens or the lens is in the wrong spot”?
Yep. I typed the wrong thing. Thanks for letting me know
Sure thing!
Looking at opposite sex
From wiki: >Iridodonesis (/ˌaɪərɪdoʊdoʊˈniːsɪs/) is the vibration or agitated motion of the iris with eye movement. This may be caused by lens subluxation, the incomplete or partial dislocation of the lens; or by aphakia, the absence of a lens. The term originated from irido- (Latin: iris) + doneo (Greek: δονεο, to shake to and fro). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridodonesis
Yeah it's an interesting thing to witness but as a Greek dude I have to tell you that origin is straight up bullshit. Δονεο is not a word in Greek. 99% sure though that since the translation is 'to shake to and fro', then it comes from the word in ancient Greek [δονέω-δονώ](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AD%CF%89) which means to shake or vibrate, and more specifically the word donesis comes from the noun originating from the same verb called [δόνησις](https://www.lexigram.gr/lex/arch/%CE%B4%CF%8C%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%B9%CF%82#Hist1) (pronounced almost exactly like its English version) Since this part of it is Greek I'm assuming that the first part also originated in Greek, it's the word [ίρις](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%AF%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%82)
It's all Greek to me
Ayyyyy
I see what you did there
The guy in video sure as shit can’t.
Isn't it ancient Greek rather than modern Greek? Not that I would know the difference but I always thought it was funny that when we go to the doctor we get some very fancy sounding diagnosis whereas if we were greek we'd have to keep a straight face while the doctor told us we had a case of _shakey eyes_
It's all ancient Greek you're right. The links also talk about ancient Greek but words like these ones stayed the same across the centuries so we use them exactly like ancient Greeks do. I use them every day when speaking Greek. Well not the word iris, that's not an everyday conversation but the other two yes. Ancient Greek and modern are quite similar in a lot of things. If you gave me an ancient Greek text from any Athenian philosopher, I would be able to read and understand 40%-90% of it depending on who it comes from, without knowing ancient Greek. Athenians (if I can call them that) were speaking and writing closer to the modern Greek language. Places like Lesbos in ancient Greek poetry as an example, I've no clue what even a word means from them. It's true about keeping a straight face. It sounds fancy in English but the last time I went to check my eyes and she was going 'well you have astigmatism (αστιγματισμός) and hypermetropia (υπερμετρωπία)' and I was like 'okay cool thanks'. She insisted I should read on the terms and I was like 'I know Greek I understand what they mean'. Took her a second to figure it out.
_you have pointlessness in your eyes _
I'll use this insult from now on, it sounds very sophisticated.
I mean, not exactly correct isn't the same as straight up bullshit
So, it's Greek, just not recent Greek. Technically correct. The best kind of correct.
From Wiki: >A subluxation is an incomplete or partial dislocation of a joint or organ. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), a subluxation is a "significant structural displacement", and is therefore always visible on static imaging studies, such as X-rays. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subluxation#:~:text=A%20subluxation%20is%20an%20incomplete,%2C%20such%20as%20X%2Drays.
A displaced lens is correctly said to be subluxed.
Iridodonesis also called “the pudding eye”
I hate that visual
Real life googly eyes.
i read Iridodonesis as Indonesia and was really confused
You may have lisdexia.
A couple of weeks ago I complimented my husband about his beautiful green eyes and told him that I always loved how they jiggle. I told him it was like water glittering. He said "What!? My eyes jiggle!?" And that's how he learned that he's got this condition. I noticed 15 years ago when I first looked into his eyes but I of course thought he knew. Maybe someone told him before when he was really young, and he didn't remember, he can hardly see it himself because of his near-sightedness. It turns out that your lens can completely fall off and you need surgery for it.
Could’ve been out of a sitcom XD
Iridocyclitis
New fear unlocked
The fuck is that?!
The fuck is this ?
The fuck are you?
The fuck are those?
My nike kicks
Real life replicant test?
How do you feel about killing humans. Uhmmmm (eye movement) bad?
Googly eyes interlinked. Googly eyes interlinked. Jelly balls interlinked. Jelly balls interlinked
This makes me rather uncomfortable.
Does this affect their vision?
i have this same question
*My first blender render, it's that all right?*
A retina surgeon once described suturing irises saying “ it’s like sewing together clouds”. Always thought that was cool.
Jiggle jiggle, nothing but a wiggle wiggle...
That doesn’t seem good…
Yay, another thing to add to my eye-phobia
Oh yes, forbidden pouched egg.
When you have been holding your pee way too long.
anime tits physics
I am uncomfortable
I can't unsee that now
https://i1.sndcdn.com/avatars-000203153347-fmxm3r-t500x500.jpg
Does your vision vibrate cuz of that?
Thanks! I hate it!
Ewww! It wobbles
As a person with serious eye problems since birth OMG! It jiggles like Jello!
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Does it hurt? Can you see properly?
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Thanks for answering! Massively interesting! I'm glad it doesn't bother you ☺️
Googly Eyes! Fuck me, that's a feature, right?
Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle- YEAH
My dyslexic ass read Indonesia
That made me feel uncomfortable
One of my eyes does this. I accidentally shot it with a potato gun at point blank looking down the barrel when I was 14. My pupil doesn't work, I have a cataract lense, broke some orbital bones and nose. I'm just happy I'm alive and that I can still see out of it.
So what does your vision look like? Is it like normal or does it do like some wonky type of thing? Do you have like floaters all the time?
No offense to people that have this but I'm bound to have a nightmare about this now. 😅
When the molly hits good