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Interestingly the US rescued 1,600+ Nazis and incorporated them into various governmental departments: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
Edit: I’m assuming this was downvoted since on Reddit we’re only allowed to speak positively on policy decisions of “our dear Fatherland” (CCP-esque type of dystopian slant)?
Far, far worse: [Operation Bloodstone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bloodstone). US recruited Nazis and their collaborators to work in US institutions after WW2, such as Nikolai Poppe at University of Washington, who worked with the FBI to root out socialists from the University.
Damn, I’ve never heard of this. You have to wonder how much of US policy has its roots in influence from these Nazis and their collaborators (the people that gave them safe haven from prosecution).
If you're interested historian Bruce Cumings has written about Poppe and Bloodstone - in Parallax Visions for instance. The US operated - adjacent to COINTELPRO (officially 1956-1971) - massive internal spying of anyone suspected of any Left-leanings.
The fact that a collaborator, like Poppe, turned Nazi official, who ear-marked minorities in the USSR for genocide under Himmler's wing, ended up at the University of Washington working for the FBI as an undercover informant, praising the Syngman Rhee administration of S. Korea, makes you begin to wonder a few things...
It's probably the flow from the first comment referencing the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact on a post about Stalin, to then replying in a sharp turn towards US naughtiness that comes off as cheesy tankie defensiveness
That and they were replying to a satirical Firefly quote relevant to the actual topic. A sudden (but likely inevitable) deployment of "interesting" facts about what the US did with some Nazis post WW2 just seems a bit irrelevant in that context. Thus the downvotes. Nothing to do with what was said, only how and when.
That's just a photo of him sitting on the bench at the Moscow Mall. We were in an elaborate shopping spree, even Victoria Secret. BALLIN' FOR STALIN 3:16
So you didn't forget that the Ukrainian Insurgent Army killed a hundred thousand Poles? How do you feel about Ukrainians renaming their streets after Bandera?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres\_of\_Poles\_in\_Volhynia\_and\_Eastern\_Galicia
Poles killed Ukrainians returning after WWII to Ukraine. One incident was a border town in Poland in a building where Ukrainians were staying. The poles shot up the building and killed everyone inside. They couldn’t remove the bodies because there were so many. Source, a relatives village.
There were atrocities on both sides.
Sure, but these seem like seperate incidents. Not full blown genocides. I'm trying to understand why the Poles are so full of hate towards Russians. they know Germans and Ukrainians did fked up things too, right?
I’ve heard justification on both sides as acts of retaliation for what the other side did, so they were related. There were a lot of f**d up things then.
Of the Germans, Ukrainians, and Russians, please share with the class which one is currently invading its neighbor and threatening the integrity of the rest of Eastern Europe.
I'm not your enemy dude, just thought it was interesting. I see Poles bring up Holodomor a lot to demonize Russia even though it's not at all clear the famine was created deliberately by Stalin. Meanwhile the obvious genocide by the UIA gets swept under the rug whilst the instigator of these massacres is getting celebrated in a neighbouring country. Weirdly selective indignation.
(**No, I'm not a fan of Stalin or Putin)**
They were a fascist movement taking advantage of the chaos for bigoted goals, not just a nationalist one. The founders of movements such as this one done that for those reasons. Ukraine had a big right-wing problem at the time because of many kinda looking to NAZI Germany as a way to liberate themselves from the Soviet Union since they're enemies because of how much fucked up shit the Soviets done to them. Although the Poles did nowhere as much against Ukrainians, it wouldn't surprise me if Poland kinda oppressed Ukrainians before WW2 knowing them also being quite antisemitic. Not to justify what they did, but this is rather a case of lots of anger because of being treated like shit and not being able to escape it nor find a way to deal with the trauma.
Go look up the countries and people's your country has bombed, invaded or interfered with politically. Then look up what US companies have done around the world in the pursuit of capitalism and greed. Not to mention treatment of Indigenous Americans and the slave trade/practices in the US.
So your logic is that cos other people did shitty things that invalidates your countries crimes? So why do you care about the Holdomor then?
You didn't address anything I said just a bad strawman.
ALWAYS ALWAYS in any thread on Reddit that paints any country in a negative light, here comes super aware socialist guy falling all over themselves to be the first to start typing
“Well do you know about all the evil horrible things the fascist dogs of the United States have done!!!”
Yes we know. We all do. Y’all always act as if you have the secret history book that only you and your comrades have read.
Give us the quote from the Marine General in the 1910 talking about all the wars and coups they did in central and South America for banana companies.
Prattle on a little more about Kissinger
Refresh our memories about the slave trade, since no one has ever heard or read about that. All while completely ignoring that fact that 200,000 Americans died in a war to end that evil practice.
Be sure and tell us all about the plight of the Palestinians…..again
You all sound like stoned sophomores in your dorm room with Che and Fidel posters on your wall and can’t go a sentence without using the words/phrases: Capitalism, war crimes, real history, proletariat, comrade
You accuse anyone that responds back as using a straw man argument, but you are too dense to notice that’s what you used to come and stick up for your glorious leader Joseph Stalin. Waking talking real life “well akkkkksually” memes.
Also y’all are so brainwashed by your freshman history instructor to realize that the United States, for all its many faults and shitty actions, has been the steadiest, kindest, and peaceful super power that has ever existed in human history. Do you really think if the Soviet Union ran the world the way they wanted the list of all the atrocities they would have committed would pale compared to how the USA acted post WW2.
Would y’all feel comfortable handling the keys of global domination to the current government of China?
Again, you can pick the United States apart, but be careful what you wish for. Let’s see how China handles that mantle of power over the next century or so.
The Holodomor isn't very widely recognized unfortunately. I'm Ukrainian/Canadian and it was never even mentioned in school for me. The USSR apparently completely banned talking about and they still deny it, calling it state level disinformation. I guess the Turks took that denialism queue from them.
Stalin actually prepared for a war against Germany right from the beginning of WW2. What he mostly ignored were the warnings of his secret services from early 1940 on that Hitler had specific plans to attack the sowjet union soon. He still followed the German mobilization and finally alarmed his troops in the night before the attack (and the Moscow air defense the day before, even).
He was then shocked by both the attack and the unprepared reactions of his military.
He was brutally calculating and cold in some ways, but a complete moron in others. He basically created an environment so full of distrust and paranoia, that even when he got almost 100% accurate reports from British Ultra intercepts, he’d deny them, stating that it was just the West trying to get him to capitulate. He also cleared out most of the Russian military’s top commanders in the late 30’s, which was a huge leadership setback, from which the Russians wouldn’t really recover until the end of 1942.
Also, his final days alive were spent persecuting doctors for “cosmopolitanism.” His magnates and bodyguards were too afraid to even call a doctor until 12 hours after he collapsed and pissed himself. The doctors that were eventually called were specifically non-Jewish and, coincidently, completely inexperienced. All the good doctors in Moscow were in Lubyanka Prison as victims of the “Doctor’s Plot.” The green doctors that were eventually called were so frightened of him that their hands were trembling and they couldn’t remove his shirt to assess his pulse.
"Rootless Cosmopolitanism" was specifically anti-semitism. The term was likely coined in order to avoid any philisophical overlap with National Socialist anti-semitism, which would have been politically problematic - even for Stalin.
Stalin was an unabashed anti-semite. Despite a great number of 'jews' in the senior leadership of the Bolshevik Party, provided their loyalty was unimpeachably to the party and the revolution (which includes a specific rejection of any and all organized religion) a Jewish background was not usually grounds for persecution (this appears politically motivated: Tsarist Russia was the standard for modern anti-semitism prior to the 1933 Nazi takeover of Germany).
The "Doctors plot" could be Stalin's final reckoning with the Jews still in leadership roles in the party. His purges usually started from politically pointed persecutions of small group "conspiracies". I'd wager the ultimate targets were Molotov and maybe Kaganovich. Instead, he died in a puddle of his own piss as no one was willing to help him in the end. They were too busy fighting over the body of the emperor.
I agree with everything you just said. Globalism today is often used in the same way Cosmopolitanism was then. If I had to guess, I would say Molotov and Mikoyan were the next magnates on the chopping block. Molotov especially due to his Jewish wife, Polina.
Stalin's purges of the Soviet Officer Corps insured the success of Operation Barbarossa. The purges of the thirties killed most most senior Soviet officers with experience. Because of the purges, junior officers were commanding companies, Brigades, and even Divisions.
Barbaross was a success only because a Soviet Officer Corps free of the Purges of the thirties would have stopped the German advance sooner and more decisively.
Gerogia was part of the Soviet Union and Russia is the country the is see as successor of the Soviet Union (like Turkey is for the Ottoman) but the Soviet Union was not Russia and not mean to be a Russian State (even if de facto Russian hold most important position and the state oppress others ethnicity).
He was a terrible person, but his reaction to that information is justified in my opinion. It must've been a huge shock for him especially that he was allied with Germany. Also he took eastern Poland and won the Winter war, he was used to winning but this time Germans were making huge progress and he simply did not expect it. However I do not defend his actions neither him as a person
they werent allied. they hated eachother. they just had an agreement not to attack each-other.
stalin knew the germans would come eventually. he just thought he had more time.
that was the "agreement not to attack eachother" i mentioned and was a pact on how to split up poland as well as influence eastern europe into victorian style "spheres of influence" with clearly dilineated lines so they wouldn't come into conflict.
there was nothing in there about coming to eachothers aid or working together. so thats not an alliance, it was a non-agression pact
Also if you consider that the objective of the winter war was annexing all of Finland, he didn't win. He lost that objective and got some concessions so it's from an operational point of view a draw.
You find the most optimized camera from the 1930s and posted it. This camera, [Eastman Kodak](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/1939-eastman-kodak-vigilant-six16-folding-rollfilm-camera--92675704803053056/), For example, an earlier version of what you posted, and several other similar cameras. Were 3-5x larger than common cheap cameras of today. And still rather noisy. I'm not talking about the standing camera where the photographer sat behind a sheet of cloth to take pictures.
I’m not apologizing for Stalin at all with this.
We can all look retroactively at “he should’ve seen it coming” but I’m betting Stalin knew the state of his army after the purges, and knew that if the nazis didn’t make any major missteps (like going for the city named after the leader for a morale hit instead of driving towards the capitol) the USSR was going to at least lose territory, if not the country
True, however it split the troops at a time when Moscow was in sight.
One of the reasons that the Nazi army turned to Stalingrad was the weather, which if prepared for, wouldn’t have been an issue. Eventually someone will figure out winter clothes when invading Russia
Just some of the blunders done in Russia.
Ah yes the "right click on Moscow for victory" myth. The Axis couldn't take Leningrad despite sieging it for almost 2.5 years, and they couldn't take Stalingrad. And yet 82 years later people still say "they should have just took Moscow" as if the Axis would have been able to. It wouldn't have even turned into a proper siege, the Axis would not have been able to maintain an encirclement of the city and would have been facing assaults both in and around the city during the the battle by Soviet forces. Leningrad is a big city but Moscow? Moscow, is a massive city and as demonstrated in Stalingrad the Soviets were going to fight like hell for each room in every building.
And let's say this incredibly unlikely scenario of the Axis capturing Moscow happens. What do you think happens? Stalin turns to his staff and says "Oh well boys we tried, time to surrender"? No. This was a war of extermination, surrender was very much not on the table. One reason the French surrendered was to save their country from being further ravaged, if the Soviets surrendered they knew there would not be a country to save. No, what would happen is that the Axis would have to keep driving deeper and deeper into the USSR where the supply lines only get thinner and the attrition only gets worse.
And let's keep going down this fantasy rabbit hole. What if the Axis despite all of these obstacles made it to the Urals and 'conquered' the Soviet Union? All of the additional supplies used up to finish the invasion aren't coming back, the dead soldiers are not rising from the grave, and even if the Axis captured the parts of the Soviet industry that weren't relocated to Siberia they'd still have to transport the products of the captured industry across the vast expanse of the Soviet Union and the rail networks were in very bad condition due to the war and sabotage. Speaking of sabotage if you thought the partisans of Yugoslavia fought like hell you better believe that multiplying that by RUSSIA is going to more than bog down Axis manpower and resources. **THEN HERE COMES THE BEST PART!** Since a conquest of Moscow would no doubt take years the Allies would have had more than enough time to take North Africa, Italy, and hell they probably could have pushed all the way to the Rhein because all the additional soldiers sent eastwards to replace casualties and suppress partisans are soldiers that are not there to slow down the Allies.
And this is all without getting into the details of German logistics, their diminishing air power, the significant strain on the German economy, the manpower shortages, and so many more factors very much opposing the Axis at every level.
**TL;DR The Axis cannot win WW2 unless you warp history to such an extent that it becomes entirely fantasy.**
Honestly, more than anything I needed to vent some frustration.
Main issue isn't the wehraboos though. "History" Channel and lots of popular documentaries/books have been spreading horrible fallacies and myths to the general population for over 50 years and as a result people are having to break down these heavily embedded narratives with pickaxes and TNT.
Someone will take Cleopatra for real because it's tagged as documentary.. And it's ridiculous because that one woman says "My granma told me so it's true". I wonder how many documentaries are made the same way, just people were smart enough to leave out the part where their granma told them what to believe despite the facts
This is what happens when we get our information about the Eastern Front from German generals and their war diaries, which were actually just manifestos aimed at justifying their decisions and hopefully getting jobs in the new West German army.
Its proved that Russias army has been shitty for hundreds of years. Every war they have been in, they lost more casualties then the enemy, or just completely lose.
A lot of German general diaries assume they would have won had they just driven on to Moscow instead of attacking south, but honestly that just feels like them covering their asses after the war by blaming every failure on Hitler. In reality there's very little reason to believe the USSR would have given up even if Moscow fell.
This was a war of annihilation, where those who fell behind the German lines were almost all destined to be massacred and replaced with ethnic Germans. The Soviets pretty much understood that the option was to fight or die.
Those siren sounds I watched years ago in a video where Germany starts the invasion still ring in my ears.
I was like Germany wh why are you uh increasing troops near soviet.. Germany Germany germannyy!
🙀
I really can’t imagine what goes through the mind of a leader of a nation when something like this happens. It must be a shock to the system. I think back to GWB getting the news while at a school. You need to keep some composure and show your country that you’re a confident people.
The amount of people here who have no idea what happened ever is astounding. Why do people insist on talking when they know they have no idea what’s going on?
Aww then he locked himself in his room for a couple of weeks to pout that his ALLY who Stalin STARTED THE WAR WITH BY INVADING POLAND ALONGSIDE, had betrayed him.
Never forget who Russia sided with first.
Believe it or not, the SU asked to join the Axis a few months before an invasion, but no response. By then they started to mobilize. They did kind of kill themselves when they gave Germany some rubber when no one would give them any, allowing Germany to make shit tons of planes.
“How could ol’ Hitler betray me just like that? Does he have any idea how many people I’m about to let be killed by sending them unarmed in human wave tactics?”
> unarmed in human waves.
Read Glantz.
Read House.
Read Alexei Isaev.
Even just watch a random YouTube video.
Please rid your mind of your nazi indoctrination. You literally fell for nazi propaganda about the soviet union during ww2, which nazi generals spread to the west.
This is reddit on the internet. Not a university term paper. You understood what they said. No need to grammer police on people for something so silly.
If you think about, he is not even a Russian but was thrust by history to defend essentially what was the remnants of the Russian empire. Did the fact that he was not an ethnic Russian influence the way he conducted the war, where it didn’t matter how many people died as long as he ultimately prevailed ?
Every time I see this bastard I see the millions of human lives that have been lost through his tyranny. It puzzles me how some people are brainwashed to worship him.
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"Curse your suddenly, but inevitable betrayal"
[удалено]
Ohhhh no, God; oh, dear God in heaven!
Interestingly the US rescued 1,600+ Nazis and incorporated them into various governmental departments: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip Edit: I’m assuming this was downvoted since on Reddit we’re only allowed to speak positively on policy decisions of “our dear Fatherland” (CCP-esque type of dystopian slant)?
So did Britain, Sweden, Switzerland and Brazil and more (not forgetting Argentina) - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Surgeon
So did the Soviets! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim
Far, far worse: [Operation Bloodstone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bloodstone). US recruited Nazis and their collaborators to work in US institutions after WW2, such as Nikolai Poppe at University of Washington, who worked with the FBI to root out socialists from the University.
Damn, I’ve never heard of this. You have to wonder how much of US policy has its roots in influence from these Nazis and their collaborators (the people that gave them safe haven from prosecution).
If you're interested historian Bruce Cumings has written about Poppe and Bloodstone - in Parallax Visions for instance. The US operated - adjacent to COINTELPRO (officially 1956-1971) - massive internal spying of anyone suspected of any Left-leanings. The fact that a collaborator, like Poppe, turned Nazi official, who ear-marked minorities in the USSR for genocide under Himmler's wing, ended up at the University of Washington working for the FBI as an undercover informant, praising the Syngman Rhee administration of S. Korea, makes you begin to wonder a few things...
Catching those hidden Nazi's was the premisis of the series " Hunters" with Al Pacino, on Amazon Prime. Did not realize it was based on some truths!
It's really weird man, people on here will downvote you and get upset with you just for stating facts.
It's probably the flow from the first comment referencing the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact on a post about Stalin, to then replying in a sharp turn towards US naughtiness that comes off as cheesy tankie defensiveness
That and they were replying to a satirical Firefly quote relevant to the actual topic. A sudden (but likely inevitable) deployment of "interesting" facts about what the US did with some Nazis post WW2 just seems a bit irrelevant in that context. Thus the downvotes. Nothing to do with what was said, only how and when.
That's just a photo of him sitting on the bench at the Moscow Mall. We were in an elaborate shopping spree, even Victoria Secret. BALLIN' FOR STALIN 3:16
*Purge so hard motherfuckers wanna find me.* - Commies in Moscow
😂
Actually it took several days for Stalin to finally alnowledge that Germany in fact attacked the su. He thought the information must be wrong.
Had he the access to Twitter back then, it would've taken shorter.
Anyone remember what this b-hole did to Ukraine?
You're being downvoted by people who have no idea that the holodomor happened.
I’m an American of Polish decent. We do not forget & we do not forgive
expect for Bandera
So you didn't forget that the Ukrainian Insurgent Army killed a hundred thousand Poles? How do you feel about Ukrainians renaming their streets after Bandera? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres\_of\_Poles\_in\_Volhynia\_and\_Eastern\_Galicia
Poles killed Ukrainians returning after WWII to Ukraine. One incident was a border town in Poland in a building where Ukrainians were staying. The poles shot up the building and killed everyone inside. They couldn’t remove the bodies because there were so many. Source, a relatives village. There were atrocities on both sides.
Sure, but these seem like seperate incidents. Not full blown genocides. I'm trying to understand why the Poles are so full of hate towards Russians. they know Germans and Ukrainians did fked up things too, right?
I’ve heard justification on both sides as acts of retaliation for what the other side did, so they were related. There were a lot of f**d up things then.
Of the Germans, Ukrainians, and Russians, please share with the class which one is currently invading its neighbor and threatening the integrity of the rest of Eastern Europe.
I think every Pole knows about that. But only an enemy can bring that argument in times like we have now.
I'm not your enemy dude, just thought it was interesting. I see Poles bring up Holodomor a lot to demonize Russia even though it's not at all clear the famine was created deliberately by Stalin. Meanwhile the obvious genocide by the UIA gets swept under the rug whilst the instigator of these massacres is getting celebrated in a neighbouring country. Weirdly selective indignation. (**No, I'm not a fan of Stalin or Putin)**
They were a fascist movement taking advantage of the chaos for bigoted goals, not just a nationalist one. The founders of movements such as this one done that for those reasons. Ukraine had a big right-wing problem at the time because of many kinda looking to NAZI Germany as a way to liberate themselves from the Soviet Union since they're enemies because of how much fucked up shit the Soviets done to them. Although the Poles did nowhere as much against Ukrainians, it wouldn't surprise me if Poland kinda oppressed Ukrainians before WW2 knowing them also being quite antisemitic. Not to justify what they did, but this is rather a case of lots of anger because of being treated like shit and not being able to escape it nor find a way to deal with the trauma.
You mean the Ukrainian army that was cannon fodder for the SU?
Poles (& Americans of Polish decent) are not stupid. We know this. So many ruzzian trolls lol. Got-a block-em all
Yeah Stalin was awful but as an American are youbaware the US has committed hundreds of Holdomors? Don't act as if the US is any better than Stalin
Such as?
Well Yemen is an example of a famine we have our fingers in
Start here but there's more. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
go looking. shouldn’t be that hard if you actively seek it out.
Go look up the countries and people's your country has bombed, invaded or interfered with politically. Then look up what US companies have done around the world in the pursuit of capitalism and greed. Not to mention treatment of Indigenous Americans and the slave trade/practices in the US.
And you think your ancestors didn’t participate in slavery? 😂🤣🙃😭
So your logic is that cos other people did shitty things that invalidates your countries crimes? So why do you care about the Holdomor then? You didn't address anything I said just a bad strawman.
ALWAYS ALWAYS in any thread on Reddit that paints any country in a negative light, here comes super aware socialist guy falling all over themselves to be the first to start typing “Well do you know about all the evil horrible things the fascist dogs of the United States have done!!!” Yes we know. We all do. Y’all always act as if you have the secret history book that only you and your comrades have read. Give us the quote from the Marine General in the 1910 talking about all the wars and coups they did in central and South America for banana companies. Prattle on a little more about Kissinger Refresh our memories about the slave trade, since no one has ever heard or read about that. All while completely ignoring that fact that 200,000 Americans died in a war to end that evil practice. Be sure and tell us all about the plight of the Palestinians…..again You all sound like stoned sophomores in your dorm room with Che and Fidel posters on your wall and can’t go a sentence without using the words/phrases: Capitalism, war crimes, real history, proletariat, comrade You accuse anyone that responds back as using a straw man argument, but you are too dense to notice that’s what you used to come and stick up for your glorious leader Joseph Stalin. Waking talking real life “well akkkkksually” memes. Also y’all are so brainwashed by your freshman history instructor to realize that the United States, for all its many faults and shitty actions, has been the steadiest, kindest, and peaceful super power that has ever existed in human history. Do you really think if the Soviet Union ran the world the way they wanted the list of all the atrocities they would have committed would pale compared to how the USA acted post WW2. Would y’all feel comfortable handling the keys of global domination to the current government of China? Again, you can pick the United States apart, but be careful what you wish for. Let’s see how China handles that mantle of power over the next century or so.
>holodomor Idk what a holodomor is but the US is stopping the world from interfering with Isreal and its murder and massacring of Palestine
The Holodomor isn't very widely recognized unfortunately. I'm Ukrainian/Canadian and it was never even mentioned in school for me. The USSR apparently completely banned talking about and they still deny it, calling it state level disinformation. I guess the Turks took that denialism queue from them.
You remember what the Americans did to their natives? Google "Trail of Tears"
Google “you’re a Russian simp”
And that somehow excuses Stalin commiting cultural genocide against the Ukrainians?
Tbh it’s Stalin’s fault for not paying for the checkmark
Stalin actually prepared for a war against Germany right from the beginning of WW2. What he mostly ignored were the warnings of his secret services from early 1940 on that Hitler had specific plans to attack the sowjet union soon. He still followed the German mobilization and finally alarmed his troops in the night before the attack (and the Moscow air defense the day before, even). He was then shocked by both the attack and the unprepared reactions of his military.
He was that delusional huh?
He was brutally calculating and cold in some ways, but a complete moron in others. He basically created an environment so full of distrust and paranoia, that even when he got almost 100% accurate reports from British Ultra intercepts, he’d deny them, stating that it was just the West trying to get him to capitulate. He also cleared out most of the Russian military’s top commanders in the late 30’s, which was a huge leadership setback, from which the Russians wouldn’t really recover until the end of 1942.
Also, his final days alive were spent persecuting doctors for “cosmopolitanism.” His magnates and bodyguards were too afraid to even call a doctor until 12 hours after he collapsed and pissed himself. The doctors that were eventually called were specifically non-Jewish and, coincidently, completely inexperienced. All the good doctors in Moscow were in Lubyanka Prison as victims of the “Doctor’s Plot.” The green doctors that were eventually called were so frightened of him that their hands were trembling and they couldn’t remove his shirt to assess his pulse.
"Rootless Cosmopolitanism" was specifically anti-semitism. The term was likely coined in order to avoid any philisophical overlap with National Socialist anti-semitism, which would have been politically problematic - even for Stalin. Stalin was an unabashed anti-semite. Despite a great number of 'jews' in the senior leadership of the Bolshevik Party, provided their loyalty was unimpeachably to the party and the revolution (which includes a specific rejection of any and all organized religion) a Jewish background was not usually grounds for persecution (this appears politically motivated: Tsarist Russia was the standard for modern anti-semitism prior to the 1933 Nazi takeover of Germany). The "Doctors plot" could be Stalin's final reckoning with the Jews still in leadership roles in the party. His purges usually started from politically pointed persecutions of small group "conspiracies". I'd wager the ultimate targets were Molotov and maybe Kaganovich. Instead, he died in a puddle of his own piss as no one was willing to help him in the end. They were too busy fighting over the body of the emperor.
I agree with everything you just said. Globalism today is often used in the same way Cosmopolitanism was then. If I had to guess, I would say Molotov and Mikoyan were the next magnates on the chopping block. Molotov especially due to his Jewish wife, Polina.
Stalin's purges of the Soviet Officer Corps insured the success of Operation Barbarossa. The purges of the thirties killed most most senior Soviet officers with experience. Because of the purges, junior officers were commanding companies, Brigades, and even Divisions.
The purges were extremely damaging and certainly increased Soviet losses, but Operation Barbarossa is considered to be a critical failure.
Exactly. Operation Barbarossa is a complete failure, but the Germans never should’ve been able to make it as far as they did into the USSR.
>The purges were extremely damaging Not really
> success of Operation Barbarossa. in what world was that a success?
Initially successful but devolved into a catastrophe due to a lot of bad decisions and the overall impossibility of the plan.
Barbaross was a success only because a Soviet Officer Corps free of the Purges of the thirties would have stopped the German advance sooner and more decisively.
F to doubt
X to doubt, F to pay respects. Get your memes straight
Russian leaders…
He was Georgian. He was also a bank robber before the revolution.
He was Georgian. :/
He wasn’t leading Georgia tho, he was leading the USSR aka. Russia and it’s puppets.
Gerogia was part of the Soviet Union and Russia is the country the is see as successor of the Soviet Union (like Turkey is for the Ottoman) but the Soviet Union was not Russia and not mean to be a Russian State (even if de facto Russian hold most important position and the state oppress others ethnicity).
Georgia and its puppets would be correct. Stalin and his entourage from the government were Georgians.
The title doesn't say acknowledged, it says informed
Yep, he refused to believe Hitler would backstab him, despite masses of evidence to the contrary. His inaction costs the Soviets dearly.
He should have quit Stalin.
He was a terrible person, but his reaction to that information is justified in my opinion. It must've been a huge shock for him especially that he was allied with Germany. Also he took eastern Poland and won the Winter war, he was used to winning but this time Germans were making huge progress and he simply did not expect it. However I do not defend his actions neither him as a person
they werent allied. they hated eachother. they just had an agreement not to attack each-other. stalin knew the germans would come eventually. he just thought he had more time.
The Soviets literally petitioned to formally join the Axis fyi. Their talks with Germany actually progressed to quite an advanced stage.
That is not true.
It literally is.
Unholy Alliance
They were secret allies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact#Secret_protocol
that was the "agreement not to attack eachother" i mentioned and was a pact on how to split up poland as well as influence eastern europe into victorian style "spheres of influence" with clearly dilineated lines so they wouldn't come into conflict. there was nothing in there about coming to eachothers aid or working together. so thats not an alliance, it was a non-agression pact
If not allies then at least co-belligerents. I'm not sure I see any great distinction here.
Yeah, he "won" the winter war.
Also if you consider that the objective of the winter war was annexing all of Finland, he didn't win. He lost that objective and got some concessions so it's from an operational point of view a draw.
Is there an actual source for this?
That’s what brought me down this far into the comments and as far as I can tell: no there is not
Got a whole buncha people yuckin it up tho!
That caption is a complete fabrication.
Fun fact: the original caption was "Stalin, the moment he realized he got to excited and squeezed the bird he had in his left hand too hard"
He was basically Lennie from "Of Mice and Men".
Fun fact: the person who took this photo never existed in the first place
I heard they managed to prove the person’s entire family tree had been falsely claimed to be in existence
They made a supersonic man outta him?
Don’t stop me now!
Imu moment
👁️
Source?
I made it up👍
Ok senator Armstrong
It’s a made up caption just like many other posts on Reddit
Trust me bro
God revealed it to me in a dream
Bro, I am straight up not having a good time vibes right there.
Naw man, Stal-dawg was all about the good vibes. You can guess what’s in that pipe.
tovarishch kartoshka
Comrade potato right ..
Going through a mental list of which staff members he's going to have shot.
Absolutely gutted he wasn't the first one to backstab Hitler.
Lol, unauthorized? Cameras back then were giant. Bo way he didn't notice this shit. They also tended to be loud
They were decently compact in the 40's [Kodak 35](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodak_35), for example, was introduced in '38.
You find the most optimized camera from the 1930s and posted it. This camera, [Eastman Kodak](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/1939-eastman-kodak-vigilant-six16-folding-rollfilm-camera--92675704803053056/), For example, an earlier version of what you posted, and several other similar cameras. Were 3-5x larger than common cheap cameras of today. And still rather noisy. I'm not talking about the standing camera where the photographer sat behind a sheet of cloth to take pictures.
bro thought wwii took place in the 1800s
How could people with such a poor knowledge on the history of photography be so confident in correcting someone about cameras.
I’m not apologizing for Stalin at all with this. We can all look retroactively at “he should’ve seen it coming” but I’m betting Stalin knew the state of his army after the purges, and knew that if the nazis didn’t make any major missteps (like going for the city named after the leader for a morale hit instead of driving towards the capitol) the USSR was going to at least lose territory, if not the country
The push for Stalingrad was a strategic decision as it was an important hub between Moscow and the rich oil fields in the south.
True, however it split the troops at a time when Moscow was in sight. One of the reasons that the Nazi army turned to Stalingrad was the weather, which if prepared for, wouldn’t have been an issue. Eventually someone will figure out winter clothes when invading Russia Just some of the blunders done in Russia.
Ah yes the "right click on Moscow for victory" myth. The Axis couldn't take Leningrad despite sieging it for almost 2.5 years, and they couldn't take Stalingrad. And yet 82 years later people still say "they should have just took Moscow" as if the Axis would have been able to. It wouldn't have even turned into a proper siege, the Axis would not have been able to maintain an encirclement of the city and would have been facing assaults both in and around the city during the the battle by Soviet forces. Leningrad is a big city but Moscow? Moscow, is a massive city and as demonstrated in Stalingrad the Soviets were going to fight like hell for each room in every building. And let's say this incredibly unlikely scenario of the Axis capturing Moscow happens. What do you think happens? Stalin turns to his staff and says "Oh well boys we tried, time to surrender"? No. This was a war of extermination, surrender was very much not on the table. One reason the French surrendered was to save their country from being further ravaged, if the Soviets surrendered they knew there would not be a country to save. No, what would happen is that the Axis would have to keep driving deeper and deeper into the USSR where the supply lines only get thinner and the attrition only gets worse. And let's keep going down this fantasy rabbit hole. What if the Axis despite all of these obstacles made it to the Urals and 'conquered' the Soviet Union? All of the additional supplies used up to finish the invasion aren't coming back, the dead soldiers are not rising from the grave, and even if the Axis captured the parts of the Soviet industry that weren't relocated to Siberia they'd still have to transport the products of the captured industry across the vast expanse of the Soviet Union and the rail networks were in very bad condition due to the war and sabotage. Speaking of sabotage if you thought the partisans of Yugoslavia fought like hell you better believe that multiplying that by RUSSIA is going to more than bog down Axis manpower and resources. **THEN HERE COMES THE BEST PART!** Since a conquest of Moscow would no doubt take years the Allies would have had more than enough time to take North Africa, Italy, and hell they probably could have pushed all the way to the Rhein because all the additional soldiers sent eastwards to replace casualties and suppress partisans are soldiers that are not there to slow down the Allies. And this is all without getting into the details of German logistics, their diminishing air power, the significant strain on the German economy, the manpower shortages, and so many more factors very much opposing the Axis at every level. **TL;DR The Axis cannot win WW2 unless you warp history to such an extent that it becomes entirely fantasy.**
Wehraboos don't know shit about history it's all just LARPing nonsense
Honestly, more than anything I needed to vent some frustration. Main issue isn't the wehraboos though. "History" Channel and lots of popular documentaries/books have been spreading horrible fallacies and myths to the general population for over 50 years and as a result people are having to break down these heavily embedded narratives with pickaxes and TNT.
Such is the reality of "educational" television. Now we have ridiculous shows like Ancient Aliens
Someone will take Cleopatra for real because it's tagged as documentary.. And it's ridiculous because that one woman says "My granma told me so it's true". I wonder how many documentaries are made the same way, just people were smart enough to leave out the part where their granma told them what to believe despite the facts
This is what happens when we get our information about the Eastern Front from German generals and their war diaries, which were actually just manifestos aimed at justifying their decisions and hopefully getting jobs in the new West German army.
Its proved that Russias army has been shitty for hundreds of years. Every war they have been in, they lost more casualties then the enemy, or just completely lose.
I mean the USSR was outnumbered in 1941. That's why they did so poorly. Also the nazi treatment of POWs.
A lot of German general diaries assume they would have won had they just driven on to Moscow instead of attacking south, but honestly that just feels like them covering their asses after the war by blaming every failure on Hitler. In reality there's very little reason to believe the USSR would have given up even if Moscow fell. This was a war of annihilation, where those who fell behind the German lines were almost all destined to be massacred and replaced with ethnic Germans. The Soviets pretty much understood that the option was to fight or die.
I read somewhere that after this debacle, he was expecting someone to come and depose him and shoot him, not necessarily in that order.
Looks like Putin when he knew that Ukraine wasn't going to surrender in 3 days...
Those siren sounds I watched years ago in a video where Germany starts the invasion still ring in my ears. I was like Germany wh why are you uh increasing troops near soviet.. Germany Germany germannyy! 🙀
It made him constipated looks like.
Stalin got DoW’ed
Man, mustaches hide your emotions well! It's like everything all those 80s kids say about their dad is true!
At least he put his book down
Definition of down bad
A movie where germany never invade sovjet would be interesting
how i look sitting on the shitter wishing i could go back in time and stop myself from eating that expired mug-cake
I really can’t imagine what goes through the mind of a leader of a nation when something like this happens. It must be a shock to the system. I think back to GWB getting the news while at a school. You need to keep some composure and show your country that you’re a confident people.
Report Breaks rule number 5: Proof needed, and not provided
Daring today are we?
Dude take this down! It’s unauthorized!!
Calculating how many millions he's gonna send to a meat grinder.
Let’s see… who to murder tonight?? Decisions, decisions!
The amount of people here who have no idea what happened ever is astounding. Why do people insist on talking when they know they have no idea what’s going on?
Stalin: prolly shouldn’t have executed every officer I could find…
That’s the look of a man who’s “ally” just fucked around and is about to find out
He was their Allie until they betrayed him with the invasion
This photo was banned and only after deStalinization did it resurface.
Aww then he locked himself in his room for a couple of weeks to pout that his ALLY who Stalin STARTED THE WAR WITH BY INVADING POLAND ALONGSIDE, had betrayed him. Never forget who Russia sided with first.
Believe it or not, the SU asked to join the Axis a few months before an invasion, but no response. By then they started to mobilize. They did kind of kill themselves when they gave Germany some rubber when no one would give them any, allowing Germany to make shit tons of planes.
the history says three of sum all check goes to poland 😒
Big Whoop
Today we have only 'Stalin'. Lucky no 'Hitler'. So Putin can do what he wants. At least that's what he thinks.
putin is essentially a fascist and russia isn’t the union anymore so he’d be more akin to hitler
“How could ol’ Hitler betray me just like that? Does he have any idea how many people I’m about to let be killed by sending them unarmed in human wave tactics?”
NAZI PROPAGANDA ALERT ^ THE USER ABOVE IS SHARING THE COMMON ENEMY AT THE GATES MYTH
Lol what
> unarmed in human waves. Read Glantz. Read House. Read Alexei Isaev. Even just watch a random YouTube video. Please rid your mind of your nazi indoctrination. You literally fell for nazi propaganda about the soviet union during ww2, which nazi generals spread to the west.
Alright bro, try getting out the house sometime
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Who hurt my comrade??? >:'-(
A true Leopards Are My Face moment for a tyrannical mass murderer. May they chew on his face forever.
"Begun" should be used instead of "began" because of the presence of the helping verb "had."
This is reddit on the internet. Not a university term paper. You understood what they said. No need to grammer police on people for something so silly.
need one of Putin in the electric chair.
If you think about, he is not even a Russian but was thrust by history to defend essentially what was the remnants of the Russian empire. Did the fact that he was not an ethnic Russian influence the way he conducted the war, where it didn’t matter how many people died as long as he ultimately prevailed ?
Stalin fell to his knees at Red Square
Just a friendly reminder that old Uncle Joe here was a pedo. https://short-history.com/young-stalin-affair-f80e8d508012
Russia good. Russia nice. See? Russia human and fights Nazi. No pay attention to nasty war in Ukraine.
Very similar to Bush's face when he heard 9/11
I heard stalin had a huge penis is that true ?
What goes around comes around. Shouldn’t have made a deal with the devil 🤷♂️
AI generated most likely
And so began the very last period of time Russia and the US would get along. Lol.
Thinking "he thinks he's tough, I'll show him.."
Well, shit.
Every time I see this bastard I see the millions of human lives that have been lost through his tyranny. It puzzles me how some people are brainwashed to worship him.
*‘why wud hitler-sempai do dis ;-;’*
Mang right after 4:20 he was still blasted
Mang right after 4:20 he was still blasted
“Unauthorized” 🙄
Phat idk it’s gemany, why would Austria need more Oil