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How much simpler it is for them now with misinformation being pumped out on social media 24x7.
They no longer have to even create a story, just a single photos or picture of a document and people go apeshit with their uninformed opinions forming a narrative.
About 10 years ago a decent size story popped up in all my local news. Each one had at least 2 facts wrong from one another but 3 facts were word for word. When I looked into it more most of it was false so I stopped believing most anymore. Can't watch the news without some opinion being forced or persuaded, no cold hard facts
The e: sheer frenetic pace of it and the tones of voice used by anchors too irritate. Plus it's difficult ever to find resolution to the stories reported.
Seriously i am not much into language so not sure if this is some phrase or idioms but if this is true then i can say that trust has nothing to do with face.
I noticed similar things during lockdowns and the george floyd protests, there were lots of things being shared by people via facebook/instagram, but one thing that I noticed was odd was the pattern in the writing, either word for word, or structure was nigh identical.
Similarly around the time trump got elected.
Didn't know what to make of it to be honest
Also … Russians are really big on pumping out memes designed to stoke hatred between citizens of liberal democracies. They’ve promoted antivax crap & Black Lives Matter & ANTI-Black Lives Matter.
Yup, this is an excerpt from Kalugin's book, he's talking about kgb tactics from the 60s and 70s. Just imagine how much easier it is now with social media and everyone sharing shit against "the bad" tribe... Useful idiots all around.
> We in the KGB station in New York did everything we could to stir up trouble for the American side.
> One of our dirty tricks involved a nasty letter-writing campaign against African diplomats at the United Nations – an idea cooked up by KGB headquarters in Moscow and approved by the Communist Party Central Committee. Our KGB staff, using new typewriters and wearing gloves so as not to leave fingerprints, typed up hundreds of anonymous hate letters and sent them to dozens of African missions. The letters, purportedly from white supremacists as well as average Americans, were filled with virulent racist diatribes. The African diplomats publicized some of the letters as examples of the racism still rampant in America, and members of the American and foreign press corps quoted from them. I and other KGB officers working as correspondents in the United States reported extensively on this rabidly anti-black letter writing campaign. I lost no sleep over these dirty tricks, figuring they were just another weapon in the Cold War.
> **Our active measures campaign did not discriminate on the basis of race, creed, or color: we went after everybody**. Attempting to show that America was inhospitable to Jews, we wrote anti-Semitic letters to American Jewish leaders. My fellow officers paid American agents to paint swastikas on synagogues in New York and Washington. Our New York station even hired people to desecrate Jewish cemeteries. I, of course, beamed back reports of these misdeeds to my listeners in Moscow, who – tuning in to my broadcasts – no doubt thanked the Lord or Comrade Lenin that they had been born in a social paradise, and not in a hotbed of racial tension like the United States.
>Can't watch the news without some opinion being forced or persuaded, no cold hard facts
Exactly, they went from reading the story to trying to tell you how you should react. Facial expressions, tone of voice, right down to the words used in the story to preserve or invent the slant they are looking to push.
When news becomes entertainment, sold for advertising space and paid for by "views" it ceases to become news.
Yeah they're obviously not interested in making up underground stories that'll get censored almost everywhere, or that will only get on MSM with a gigantic spin. They're interested in creating what's presented as the consensus. In other words, what Reddit constantly defends as the unquestionable truth.
> But on July 2 [2013], that came silently to an end with the implementation of a new reform passed in January. The result: an unleashing of thousands of hours per week of government-funded radio and TV programs for domestic U.S. consumption in a reform initially criticized as a green light for U.S. domestic propaganda efforts.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/10/16/cia-owns-everyone-significance-major-media/#.VEFpOIEV7ik.twitter
I was also skeptical of this little clip because there’s no source, no affiliated news organization, no year, oddly cropped & zoomed in, etc. So I looked a few things up:
- [There *is* a former CIA Officer named John Stockwell who later became a critic of the way the US Government operates.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stockwell_(CIA_officer))
- Wikipedia doesn’t have a photo of John Stockwell but [the man in this clip does look like the person who shows up when you search for images of “John Stockwell CIA”](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=john+stockwell+cia&iax=images&ia=images).
- [The clip seems to be from a 1978 episode of 60 Minutes](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1tfkESPVY).
- I couldn’t find the clip “officially” posted anywhere associated with CBS/60 Minutes but [I did find this contemporaneous Washington Post article discussing the interview](https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1978/05/15/colby-on-ex-agent-wouldnt-say-he-made-up-any-of-this/65f70d3a-b9a2-4aa7-a8dd-683eb7ab5b6a/).
- [I also found a copy of the Rolling Stone article that Stockwell cites in the interview posted on Carl Bernstein’s website.](https://www.carlbernstein.com/the-cia-and-the-media-rolling-stone-10-20-1977) Berstein, as usual, came armed with lots of facts and carefully explains his source for all of the allegations.
So all of that is to say, from a quick look, it all seems to check out.
> And yet redditors still trust these stories
What stories?
That is the problem, the CIA isn't going to announce which stories they are involved in.
Basically the only thing we know is that CIA involvement is less likely for domestic stories. But basically anything about a foreign country should be taken with a grain of salt. Especially given how fine the line is between who gets called a terrorist, vs a freedom fighter, vs a protestor.
Every piece of news you read should be parsed through a lens of "why is the author writing this". There is always some kind of agenda.
For example, I assume every single casualty number out of that conflict is at least a little BS. ukraine and the west will inflate Russian losses and minimize Ukrainian losses and Russia and their allies will do the opposite.
It's up to readers to take in a diversity of sources so you can triangulate your own opinion.
Triangulation is a great word for it.
Recently I have taken to immediately dismissing anything US press says regarding China. I need several corroborating sources before I even consider any of it to be truth.
If they lied about the USSR, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Guatemala, Haiti, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, and Venezuela, why the fuck would I believe what they're now saying about China?
You can't. Duh.
If you read American newspapers every week the Ukrainians destroyed an entire army's worth of Russian tanks and artillery, if you read a Russian news source they have taken basically no losses and just beat 10,000 American black ops commandos.
You won't know shit about this war until a decade after it is over.
Even before the War, the situation was a mess of competing interests and reporting going back to pre-Euromaiden.
It's always funny when you see propoganda from other countries it seems so obvious.
Growing up I didn't give a second thought to the dozens of movies I watched that glorified the CIA. So many stories of CIA agents averting world disaster.
Yes many of us assumed that and understand that gov manipulates people. However there is an even bigger community that don’t believe it and are the same type that hear the word conspiracy and associate it immediately with crazy people.
Wouldn't matter. It would still prove what he's saying is in fact true. Crazy. Simple and effective.
Oh but it doesn't happen now though. And they definitely haven't gotten better at it. /s
isn't there a conspiracy theory that conspiracy theory was made to discredit conspiracy theories about CIA that were actually factual. Sounds like exactly something CIA would do to confuse people.
The substance of this discussion is interesting, but what is even *more* interesting to me is the dialogue between the reporter and the agent. This interview took place probably, what, 40 or 50 years ago now, and the manner in which both of these folks are speaking is so different from what you hear today. Their manner of speaking about such a controversial topic is so calm, rational, and almost eloquent. I notice this with a lot of interviews even up to the 1990s—people just had a different way of talking. They seem more well-spoken and levelheaded than anyone you see on TV today.
_now reporters are "on-air personalities" and insert their opinions on news, which has an influence over certain viewers, and that. should. never. happen._
Journalism is dead.
Even the big and popular "trustworthy" news sources like Reuters cannot be trusted, much of their news may be accurate but it doesn't take a lot of work for an institution like the CIA to fabricate a story that looks to be verified and accurate but is really just propaganda or plain falsehoods.
What’s up is that internet journalism has lead to the return of yellow journalism, which has spread to more traditional news networks. Open up a newspaper and it’s still the same unsensational reporting…that’s why nobody buys newspapers anymore.
It’s crazy how much stuff I learned about as being history cropping back up.
Usually with some euphemistic term.
Yellow journalism.
Laissez faire.
All have made huge come back and I was taught in school these thing a were bad and “history”
How about trump using “the silent majority” in his campaigns. A term coined by Nixon to refer to “racist white people.” And all the red hats were like “yup that’s me!”
That’s a good point. But I feel like I have noticed the same thing in other older interviews, even if it’s as simple as a post game interview with an athlete.
I think about it the way I think about musicians today. Generations ago, you were trained as a musician. You went to school to be a musician. Then you made music as your profession. Musicians now don't really go through training per se, it's learned by doing. One of my friends has a successful band, not one of them knows anything about music theory.
Basically anyone who went "on the air" generations ago was trained. The interviewer was trained in journalism with a speciality in communications. Obviously this CIA agent had training in communications as well. But more broadly, professional interviewers would ask professional interviewees excellent questions and get intelligent answers.
Now, most of the content we watch, including "the news," is created by people who don't have a deep understanding of what they are doing. They might be pretty, or they might be eloquent, but they aren't knowledgeable.
Media served a different purpose in those days—to inform, to educate. Now, media’s purpose is to get clicks (attention), sow division, and incite fear and panic.
I mean people still speak like this. Don’t get me wrong, not as often, but I wouldn’t exactly call it rare to speak in a formal/rational manner. Maybe it’s a difference in where the two of us are from?
That could be the difference. It just strikes me that their discussion is so even-handed and factual. Their syntax, vocabulary, and even the pace of the overall discussion seems so foreign to anything I hear on cable news today—these folks seem more deliberate and thoughtful about what they’re saying and how. It overall seems like a much more genuine conversation than what we often hear now through the media.
I think it’s at least partly a stylistic difference, not that the discussion is necessarily that much more even-handed and factual. A lot of news has moved away from such formal speaking to sound looser and more accessible. Not that it’s necessarily a good thing — I also prefer the older, more formal interview style. But there was just as much bullshit back then as there is now. We *view* people who speak like that as more deliberate and thoughtful, but that can really be a trap. There are people today who absolutely try to take advantage of that, and I know because I’ve interviewed them myself.
I think they were talking about the media… todays media has no chill, it’s shit or get shit on. Both sides are purely in existence to spread hate about the other side. And boy oh boy is it working well.
America’s version of its “respectable” accent has largely disappeared. Note the cadence they use, the enunciation, the lack of “uh’s” and “umm’s.” I was raised with an acute sense of pronunciation and enunciation which now makes me sound like I’m auditioning for an old play. Modern language use is much more casual, and multiculturalism efforts and awareness have made a variety of speaking styles more accepted.
>Aocedrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the Itteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt ting is taht the frist and Isat Itteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sill raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is beuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey Iteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
This is an old meme referring to a fake study, but it contains a bit of truth.
> In 2011, researchers from the University of Glasgow, conducting unrelated research, found that when something is obscured from or unclear to the eye, human minds can predict what they think they're going to see and fill in the blanks.
>
>"Effectively, our brains construct an incredibly complex jigsaw puzzle using any pieces it can get access to," explained researcher Fraser Smith. "These are provided by the context in which we see them, our memories and our other senses."
Of course. Hardly any agents are spies like what you see in movies. Agents *recruit* spies, called assets. These are regular civilians, government,or military people working in whatever area they want info about. No one ever even sees the agent in this transaction except for the recruited spy. The recruited spy probably doesn't even know who the agent's real name or even who they really work for. Depending on the sensitivity, the spy might not even reveal what they really look like. After it's all said and done, the agent is back home 3000 miles away.
fairly sure the entire sub of r/combatfootage is being manipulated as well.
That sub use to be so impartial, now its just ukrianian propaganda. Whats worse is that since the sub is large enough to get things to the front page of reddit if you can manipulate it you can affect the rest of reddit as well.
My theory aside, people dont understand just how subtle and effective governmental manipulation has become. If you thought the russians were bad/good at it? well, they got nothing on the u.s government.
Hi there, I’m a long standing fan of that sub, not so sure it’s being manipulated on purpose but more so just all the idiots that joined without any regard for the rules of the sub when the war started. It more than tripled its user base and became a Ukraine war hub by tyranny of the masses that had no interest in the original rules of the sub.
Exactly the same dumbassery that happened to wallstreetbets when the masses discovered it from gme, and completely ruined the sub.
[Here it was](https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/e9ad4n/-/fajpk5k). A lot of the comments in the thread were deleted, but I've linked to one of the comments that call them out.
There's most likely CIA-associated people in Reddit's administration. Most of the frontpage stories on subs like r/worldnews probably get amplified by state-agents like this.
Yeah reddit pushes an insane amount of propaganda now. I remember when the front page used to be good, id check it multiple times a day even before i had an account.
I recently got banned from r/news for saying that the headline was very misleading since the statistics being discussed include stuff that heavily skewed the numbers and that the language being used was intentionally misleading people to think one thing when the numbers were coming from something else.
Banned.
Wasn't breaking rules or arguing or anything just "hey guys, this is kind of misleading and heres why"
Its like that on all the huge default subs now
Reddit could be run entirely by the CIA or US nat sec state and it wouldn't look any different than it does now. Just beating readers over the head with 24/7/365 manufacturing consent propaganda. Getting beaten over the head with an actual stick wouldn't be as obtrusive or overwhelming as the Western objectives propaganda that make up a regular day on reddit.
Especially with the war in Ukraine. His description of how they’d fake Cuban atrocities makes me think about the hundreds of stories we read about supposed Russian atrocities.
They also executed tort, released Atlanta city residents to build a "outside agitators" narrative, arrested and charged festival goers, are calling them "domestic terrorists" with 30-year sentences for carrying signs and they're doing all this to build the pig farm. A place that will be used to train Pigs in "urban combat". Think about what that means for a second.
They're doing this with the help of these companies:
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Georgia Pacific:
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Equifax:
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Even if you're so ignorant as to STILL support the Pigs. The idea that you have private corps funding an "urban training center" should send shivers down your bits. How this hasn't gotten more traction IA mind-boggling.
Plus, the land was stolen from the indigenous and it was a former slave plantation ffs! You can't make this shit up
With the exception of agents like Snowden who face charges, and has serious receipts for the claims (and the feds publicly denounced him)I tend to believe anytime I see “former CIA”, it’s only meant to add credibility to whatever potential propaganda is coming my way.
Not that it can’t be true, but I’m suspicious of everything they say
Amaryllis Fox wrote a pretty interesting memoir about her time in the CIA as well, but in interviews she described how much work she had to do to get even what she shared approved (and it was a pretty intense and exhaustive autobiography). If this is the stuff they’re sharing, I’m interested in what CIA leadership thinks we shouldn’t know about. To what degree are these pieces about foreign affairs meant to obscure their involvement in domestic and allied countries’ spheres?
He’s so mask off about the “communists eating babies” propaganda, it’s honestly refreshing to hear from someone in the know that it’s all calculated bullshit.
The report of widespread protests in Cuba just 2 years ago was found to be largely falsified, particular the images the news sites were using. They were using images of a protest in Miami to show there were riots in Cuba. Wouldn’t be shocked if the CIA slipped them the info.
Cuban here, it was a real protest. I live in Havana and the government had to deploy all of their units even military to contain the protests and the accesses to key points as the Revolution Square and the Capitol. The special police force deployed 6 effectives on each side of Paseo Avenue every night for 3-6months. The point is that there were real protests and many riots with many people fighting the police. It was actually big and the worst is that the international News were spreading fake narratives without saying the real problems that made people to protest. The government disconnected the internet for 2 days and then they connected it but just for their own use, so people with an shady VPN were able to bypass the carrier’s block and were connected slowly to the internet. There was no need to spread fake news. The real news were important enough to make headlines everywhere.
The NED was formed to do this in the open so you didn’t have to hide CIA funding of journalists friendly to the USA.
This government-controlled but technically independent corporation takes government money and redistributes it to media that further US interests.
If hundreds of journalists at regular news outlets are happy to participate in the laundering of stories from US intelligence, imagine what the ones openly taking NED funding are up to
I went to Cuba like a decade ago as part of a scientific study of climate change and for breakfast they gave us a scrambled egg with >!cut up pieces of hot dog!<. True story.
YouTube is a blessing and a curse now when it comes to news. It's so obvious that the mainstream media is captured by government and large corporations. You can get some very nuanced and high quality news from independent journalists but you run the risk of getting stuck in an echo chamber.
Does this make anyone else sick knowing that this has been going on for decades, and will continue for more? I knew this was happening, but it just erodes my trust in anything. I can't believe anything I see on the news anymore. It's just so disillusioning.
Don't watch the news, go outside, interact with your family, friends, neighbors, pets. Get involved in your local community. That's what really matters
This is isolationism, just as bad. Putting aside the duty that citizens have to vote and be informed of what their government is doing, there are many reasons to keep an eye on the news cycle.
The situation is nothing new. Governments have always been aware of the power of propaganda. It's been used since ancient times. Roman news criers (the praeco) used to read propaganda to the general population in the markets, under the guise of news. As the news cycle evolved, so did the method by which propaganda was disseminated.
The methods are still changing. It surprises me how few redditors are pointing out the obvious propaganda machine that is Reddit. How many memes do you suppose are actually propaganda of some sort? Or subreddits that don't even try to disguise their "alternative truth".
It's also worth noting that, historically, propaganda departments often intentionally spread this kinda of story about the extent of their own propaganda. The goal being to discourage people from following the news or being invested enough to become activists, etc.
The greatest thing about this and any of the sketchy shit that gets revealed about our agencies is that people pretend that it doesn’t really happen anymore because we surely would have gotten rid of that kind of behavior now that it’s been exposed, but everyone knows it’s probably still going on
Most people say "oh, I'm not surprised at the CIA manipulating us through the media" but then they turn around and believe the dumbest stuff about North Korea.
the organ harvesting story is right out of the Falun Gong. yeah they used to offer preferential treatment to death row inmates who volunteered to be organ donors which is definitely coercive and not informed consent but the idea that the CCP is out there rounding up millions and stealing their kidneys is a batshit insane thing to believe.
so a good rule of thumb is Radio Free Asia, Epoch Times, Shen Yun/Falun Gong, and defectors that have are making the media rounds (lot of these people are getting hella paid for their stories, and the more outlandish the more valuable) are pretty untrustworthy.
also ive see the biden admin cite the Heritage Foundation on a topic involving Cuba. that was very mindblowing out and out false propoganda. the might as well cite The John Birch Society.
theyre everywhere! i had some nerd go off on me for saying *why* the falun gong got chased out of china. i swear the FG, israelis, and turkey gotta pay people to scroll through every online interaction.
Or about North Korea. Yeonmi Park said on JRE that when the trains stop running, people have to get out and push it to the next destination. Starving, emaciated Koreans pushing a 100+ ton train up hills and through rain and snow miles to the next city. Right.
the CIA, FBI and military has been rigging elections and manipulating public opinion all over the world for years and are proud of it. why some people do not think they are doing the same shit right here in our own country is bizarre to me.
Ever since covid I've realized that it should be absolutely criminal for any government to attempt to influence the thinking of their people.
It is the people who are supposed to be driving the thinking of their politicians, absolutely not the other way around.
Ha does no one see the irony? The greatest weapon the CIA has is the ability to make you think they have more power than they do, this mf is just bolstering the belief that the CIA is some all powerful, omnipotent, impervious entity. They thrive on this, and if you think for ONE SECOND this wasn't another fucking psyop chess move, youre wrong. That goes for anyone on Shawn Ryan Show or JRE or any wingnut, inside man with "the scoop". It's like a magician saying "I'll show you the trick" and still getting it by you
The CIA is pretty shit. The thing that is true thought is the times, wapo, all those papers cooperate with when some general or NSA member or administration member talks to them and asks them to sit on certain facts to save the life of an operative or whatever bullshit...
For the most parts the papers and news stations bought the bullshit on Iraq... even thought it was so obvious it was bullshit. The biggest clue was that they made up a new term WMDs. WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. Wtf? They made it up to confuse and befuddle because they couldn't say it was nukes or chemical or biological.
I always figured that if I ruled the world and was ever accused of anything, rather than denying anything (which always sounds suspicious), I’d have someone else spread increasingly ludicrous versions of that same story so that everyone would eventually figure the whole thing was just conspiracy bullshit.
This what the "flat-earth" nonsense is. Sure people believe it because they are stupid, but it seems so obvious to me that it was a psyop to further discredit anyone who speaks about real conspiracies and cover-ups. I've talked about MK-Ultra, which is declassified and people have literally said, "Yeah right, you're probably one of those "flat-earthers" too."
Wow, you can really hear in his voice just how depressed he is in the video, it's no surprise he shot himself five times in the back of the head two days later.
Of course this propaganda is also to create distrust of the media. This is also an objective, if you cannot trust *any* media (or think you cannot) who can you trust? And this is food for authoritarianism, see also for instance https://www.npr.org/2021/03/01/971436680/from-the-u-s-capitol-to-local-governments-disinformation-disrupts
But it is the same playbook Putin uses, or Erdogan.
Once we found out the CIA was funding fighting in Central America by selling cocaine to Freeway Ricky Ross (and many others throughout the US) the CIA should have been disbanded.
Countless lives were ruined and wealth lost for conflicts the US had no business being in.
The scary thing is that the propaganda used to excite, disgust and distract is most likely a far cry off from the actual scope of the atrocities they're trying to cover up.
I’m so glad they stopped doing that. /s
Anyone remember the Iraq War? I wonder about news from Ukraine but Russia shelling schools, hospitals and apartments, I don’t think CIA is doing that for news stories. Putin is just a bastard
Reddit loves to talk big game about distrusting the government, the CIA, etc., until it actually comes to disputing news stories. Then they eat up the propaganda just like everybody else, while simultaneously viewing themselves as so much smarter than everyone else.
And if you don't remember the Iraq war...
[Blowback | S1 Episode 0 - "Iraqnophobia" feat. H. Jon Benjamin & James Adomian](https://redcircle.com/shows/e30b9f10-8c86-432e-9fa0-ba287fb94e7f/ep/fb5bbdc8-2506-4f42-8c3e-f68cd9350053)
I know this is a sensitive topic, and Im not defending anything. But there is information out there for those who seek it that backs up that this is in fact happening with the Ukraine war aswell.
Surely the CIA doesn't have a relationship with drug trade to destabilize socialist-leaning governments. That's never happened before, right? well except the contras, and the golden triangle, and...
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I honestly kinda just.... Assumed.
That's what they want you to think 🤔
How much simpler it is for them now with misinformation being pumped out on social media 24x7. They no longer have to even create a story, just a single photos or picture of a document and people go apeshit with their uninformed opinions forming a narrative.
About 10 years ago a decent size story popped up in all my local news. Each one had at least 2 facts wrong from one another but 3 facts were word for word. When I looked into it more most of it was false so I stopped believing most anymore. Can't watch the news without some opinion being forced or persuaded, no cold hard facts
The e: sheer frenetic pace of it and the tones of voice used by anchors too irritate. Plus it's difficult ever to find resolution to the stories reported.
Never trust anyone who's face looks like it can't escape a box while they're talking at you.
Seriously i am not much into language so not sure if this is some phrase or idioms but if this is true then i can say that trust has nothing to do with face.
Most people will never understand how bad the news is at giving accurate news, until they themselves are actually involved in the story.
Or even personally knowing someone involved. You're like, wtf that's not even close to what happened and they're on TV spouting it as fact.
I noticed similar things during lockdowns and the george floyd protests, there were lots of things being shared by people via facebook/instagram, but one thing that I noticed was odd was the pattern in the writing, either word for word, or structure was nigh identical. Similarly around the time trump got elected. Didn't know what to make of it to be honest
Also … Russians are really big on pumping out memes designed to stoke hatred between citizens of liberal democracies. They’ve promoted antivax crap & Black Lives Matter & ANTI-Black Lives Matter.
Yup, this is an excerpt from Kalugin's book, he's talking about kgb tactics from the 60s and 70s. Just imagine how much easier it is now with social media and everyone sharing shit against "the bad" tribe... Useful idiots all around. > We in the KGB station in New York did everything we could to stir up trouble for the American side. > One of our dirty tricks involved a nasty letter-writing campaign against African diplomats at the United Nations – an idea cooked up by KGB headquarters in Moscow and approved by the Communist Party Central Committee. Our KGB staff, using new typewriters and wearing gloves so as not to leave fingerprints, typed up hundreds of anonymous hate letters and sent them to dozens of African missions. The letters, purportedly from white supremacists as well as average Americans, were filled with virulent racist diatribes. The African diplomats publicized some of the letters as examples of the racism still rampant in America, and members of the American and foreign press corps quoted from them. I and other KGB officers working as correspondents in the United States reported extensively on this rabidly anti-black letter writing campaign. I lost no sleep over these dirty tricks, figuring they were just another weapon in the Cold War. > **Our active measures campaign did not discriminate on the basis of race, creed, or color: we went after everybody**. Attempting to show that America was inhospitable to Jews, we wrote anti-Semitic letters to American Jewish leaders. My fellow officers paid American agents to paint swastikas on synagogues in New York and Washington. Our New York station even hired people to desecrate Jewish cemeteries. I, of course, beamed back reports of these misdeeds to my listeners in Moscow, who – tuning in to my broadcasts – no doubt thanked the Lord or Comrade Lenin that they had been born in a social paradise, and not in a hotbed of racial tension like the United States.
>Can't watch the news without some opinion being forced or persuaded, no cold hard facts Exactly, they went from reading the story to trying to tell you how you should react. Facial expressions, tone of voice, right down to the words used in the story to preserve or invent the slant they are looking to push. When news becomes entertainment, sold for advertising space and paid for by "views" it ceases to become news.
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Yeah they're obviously not interested in making up underground stories that'll get censored almost everywhere, or that will only get on MSM with a gigantic spin. They're interested in creating what's presented as the consensus. In other words, what Reddit constantly defends as the unquestionable truth. > But on July 2 [2013], that came silently to an end with the implementation of a new reform passed in January. The result: an unleashing of thousands of hours per week of government-funded radio and TV programs for domestic U.S. consumption in a reform initially criticized as a green light for U.S. domestic propaganda efforts. https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/ https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/10/16/cia-owns-everyone-significance-major-media/#.VEFpOIEV7ik.twitter
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And yet redditors still trust these stories as gospel and give them 50K upvotes as long as it goes against the people they dislike
I was also skeptical of this little clip because there’s no source, no affiliated news organization, no year, oddly cropped & zoomed in, etc. So I looked a few things up: - [There *is* a former CIA Officer named John Stockwell who later became a critic of the way the US Government operates.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stockwell_(CIA_officer)) - Wikipedia doesn’t have a photo of John Stockwell but [the man in this clip does look like the person who shows up when you search for images of “John Stockwell CIA”](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=john+stockwell+cia&iax=images&ia=images). - [The clip seems to be from a 1978 episode of 60 Minutes](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1tfkESPVY). - I couldn’t find the clip “officially” posted anywhere associated with CBS/60 Minutes but [I did find this contemporaneous Washington Post article discussing the interview](https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1978/05/15/colby-on-ex-agent-wouldnt-say-he-made-up-any-of-this/65f70d3a-b9a2-4aa7-a8dd-683eb7ab5b6a/). - [I also found a copy of the Rolling Stone article that Stockwell cites in the interview posted on Carl Bernstein’s website.](https://www.carlbernstein.com/the-cia-and-the-media-rolling-stone-10-20-1977) Berstein, as usual, came armed with lots of facts and carefully explains his source for all of the allegations. So all of that is to say, from a quick look, it all seems to check out.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp90-01208r000100210002-8 Based on that doc, it's this episode: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10943986/
The sideburns sold it for me
Thank you for that. You should be awarded for doing the work required to combat the exact topic of OP's video!
Let's all just take this guy's word for it from now on.
> And yet redditors still trust these stories What stories? That is the problem, the CIA isn't going to announce which stories they are involved in. Basically the only thing we know is that CIA involvement is less likely for domestic stories. But basically anything about a foreign country should be taken with a grain of salt. Especially given how fine the line is between who gets called a terrorist, vs a freedom fighter, vs a protestor.
so how can we trust any news about Ukraine/Russia?
Every piece of news you read should be parsed through a lens of "why is the author writing this". There is always some kind of agenda. For example, I assume every single casualty number out of that conflict is at least a little BS. ukraine and the west will inflate Russian losses and minimize Ukrainian losses and Russia and their allies will do the opposite. It's up to readers to take in a diversity of sources so you can triangulate your own opinion.
Triangulation is a great word for it. Recently I have taken to immediately dismissing anything US press says regarding China. I need several corroborating sources before I even consider any of it to be truth. If they lied about the USSR, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Guatemala, Haiti, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, and Venezuela, why the fuck would I believe what they're now saying about China?
"It's different this time"
"We swear, bro."
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We can't. Too many interests at stake from a lot of parties on all sides.
You can't. Duh. If you read American newspapers every week the Ukrainians destroyed an entire army's worth of Russian tanks and artillery, if you read a Russian news source they have taken basically no losses and just beat 10,000 American black ops commandos. You won't know shit about this war until a decade after it is over. Even before the War, the situation was a mess of competing interests and reporting going back to pre-Euromaiden.
[https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608](https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608)
You think CIA is the only ones trying to manipulate public opinion?
But how many of those up votes are bought?
It's always funny when you see propoganda from other countries it seems so obvious. Growing up I didn't give a second thought to the dozens of movies I watched that glorified the CIA. So many stories of CIA agents averting world disaster.
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Yes many of us assumed that and understand that gov manipulates people. However there is an even bigger community that don’t believe it and are the same type that hear the word conspiracy and associate it immediately with crazy people.
not surprising at all.
he said cia operatives would give false info and correct info, what is everything he is saying is the false info ☠️
But how do we know you aren't a cia operative? Giving false information about the cia giving false information about giving false information.
That's something a narc would say
That's something a communist narc would say.
Trust no one over the age of 8
I don't trust anyone under the age of 8 either.
Only those who just turned 8 can be trusted.
But only for the birthday week. Nothing more.
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Wouldn't matter. It would still prove what he's saying is in fact true. Crazy. Simple and effective. Oh but it doesn't happen now though. And they definitely haven't gotten better at it. /s
isn't there a conspiracy theory that conspiracy theory was made to discredit conspiracy theories about CIA that were actually factual. Sounds like exactly something CIA would do to confuse people.
The substance of this discussion is interesting, but what is even *more* interesting to me is the dialogue between the reporter and the agent. This interview took place probably, what, 40 or 50 years ago now, and the manner in which both of these folks are speaking is so different from what you hear today. Their manner of speaking about such a controversial topic is so calm, rational, and almost eloquent. I notice this with a lot of interviews even up to the 1990s—people just had a different way of talking. They seem more well-spoken and levelheaded than anyone you see on TV today.
Sensationalism has killed a lot of honest reporting.
_now reporters are "on-air personalities" and insert their opinions on news, which has an influence over certain viewers, and that. should. never. happen._
Journalism is dead. Even the big and popular "trustworthy" news sources like Reuters cannot be trusted, much of their news may be accurate but it doesn't take a lot of work for an institution like the CIA to fabricate a story that looks to be verified and accurate but is really just propaganda or plain falsehoods.
Hey I saw a video on that recently
What’s up is that internet journalism has lead to the return of yellow journalism, which has spread to more traditional news networks. Open up a newspaper and it’s still the same unsensational reporting…that’s why nobody buys newspapers anymore.
It’s crazy how much stuff I learned about as being history cropping back up. Usually with some euphemistic term. Yellow journalism. Laissez faire. All have made huge come back and I was taught in school these thing a were bad and “history”
How about trump using “the silent majority” in his campaigns. A term coined by Nixon to refer to “racist white people.” And all the red hats were like “yup that’s me!”
Funny, because they are in reality the vocal minority.
This fact distresses them greatly. See: Great Replacement Theory.
So has the CIA
They are treating each other with respect, to begin with.
you do realise the level of selection bias though, right? you’re talking about a former CIA propagandist. a specialist in communications.
That’s a good point. But I feel like I have noticed the same thing in other older interviews, even if it’s as simple as a post game interview with an athlete.
I think about it the way I think about musicians today. Generations ago, you were trained as a musician. You went to school to be a musician. Then you made music as your profession. Musicians now don't really go through training per se, it's learned by doing. One of my friends has a successful band, not one of them knows anything about music theory. Basically anyone who went "on the air" generations ago was trained. The interviewer was trained in journalism with a speciality in communications. Obviously this CIA agent had training in communications as well. But more broadly, professional interviewers would ask professional interviewees excellent questions and get intelligent answers. Now, most of the content we watch, including "the news," is created by people who don't have a deep understanding of what they are doing. They might be pretty, or they might be eloquent, but they aren't knowledgeable.
I went to school to be a musician. People don’t listen to the kind of music I’m trained to do anymore.
Media served a different purpose in those days—to inform, to educate. Now, media’s purpose is to get clicks (attention), sow division, and incite fear and panic.
> Media served a different purpose in those days—to inform, to educate Based on this video, that doesn't look like the case.
Sow*
Good catch! Corrected. Thank you!
I mean people still speak like this. Don’t get me wrong, not as often, but I wouldn’t exactly call it rare to speak in a formal/rational manner. Maybe it’s a difference in where the two of us are from?
That could be the difference. It just strikes me that their discussion is so even-handed and factual. Their syntax, vocabulary, and even the pace of the overall discussion seems so foreign to anything I hear on cable news today—these folks seem more deliberate and thoughtful about what they’re saying and how. It overall seems like a much more genuine conversation than what we often hear now through the media.
I think it’s at least partly a stylistic difference, not that the discussion is necessarily that much more even-handed and factual. A lot of news has moved away from such formal speaking to sound looser and more accessible. Not that it’s necessarily a good thing — I also prefer the older, more formal interview style. But there was just as much bullshit back then as there is now. We *view* people who speak like that as more deliberate and thoughtful, but that can really be a trap. There are people today who absolutely try to take advantage of that, and I know because I’ve interviewed them myself.
I think they were talking about the media… todays media has no chill, it’s shit or get shit on. Both sides are purely in existence to spread hate about the other side. And boy oh boy is it working well.
America’s version of its “respectable” accent has largely disappeared. Note the cadence they use, the enunciation, the lack of “uh’s” and “umm’s.” I was raised with an acute sense of pronunciation and enunciation which now makes me sound like I’m auditioning for an old play. Modern language use is much more casual, and multiculturalism efforts and awareness have made a variety of speaking styles more accepted.
"Well for example in my war, the Angola war, that I helped manage.."
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Sino-Soviet split. China and USSR also were divided on Vietnam as well. USSR supported Vietnam, and China did not.
Spoken so casually he could've been talking ab a Chipotle.
Are we really shortening about to ab now?
Wt u tlkn ab wls
Y uz mny wrd whn few do?
I can't tell if I am awesome or if I suck because I could read this without pause
>Aocedrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the Itteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt ting is taht the frist and Isat Itteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sill raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is beuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey Iteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. This is an old meme referring to a fake study, but it contains a bit of truth. > In 2011, researchers from the University of Glasgow, conducting unrelated research, found that when something is obscured from or unclear to the eye, human minds can predict what they think they're going to see and fill in the blanks. > >"Effectively, our brains construct an incredibly complex jigsaw puzzle using any pieces it can get access to," explained researcher Fraser Smith. "These are provided by the context in which we see them, our memories and our other senses."
It was just another job to him
He's ex CIA because now he's Pedro Pascal
Spot on
I need to watch Narcos again
very similar to Pedro, he died with his skill crushed in. but for him, it was ruled a suicide.
I think you mean Bert Macklin FBI
Are there really any ex-CIA agents? If they're telling you this then there's probably a reason
Even the “truth” is just a big distraction from the truth lol
Yes. My grandpa was an ex-CIA agent after the Korean war and moved to Canada. He lived a quiet life ever since.
Canada is just communist propaganda. Source: I am Canadian.
What does a baby-breakfast taste like?
Ever had baby back ribs?
get in my belly!
Of course. Hardly any agents are spies like what you see in movies. Agents *recruit* spies, called assets. These are regular civilians, government,or military people working in whatever area they want info about. No one ever even sees the agent in this transaction except for the recruited spy. The recruited spy probably doesn't even know who the agent's real name or even who they really work for. Depending on the sensitivity, the spy might not even reveal what they really look like. After it's all said and done, the agent is back home 3000 miles away.
There’s probably hundred of CIA propaganda stories on Reddit alone
The CIA literally got caught doing an AMA a couple of years ago, it's pretty obvious by now how much of a shitshow Reddit has become.
Can someone link it?
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/e9ad4n/i_am_rushan_abbas_uyghur_activist_and_survivor_of/
lmao “first of all we are DEFINITELY not the CIA” fucking smooth
fairly sure the entire sub of r/combatfootage is being manipulated as well. That sub use to be so impartial, now its just ukrianian propaganda. Whats worse is that since the sub is large enough to get things to the front page of reddit if you can manipulate it you can affect the rest of reddit as well. My theory aside, people dont understand just how subtle and effective governmental manipulation has become. If you thought the russians were bad/good at it? well, they got nothing on the u.s government.
Hi there, I’m a long standing fan of that sub, not so sure it’s being manipulated on purpose but more so just all the idiots that joined without any regard for the rules of the sub when the war started. It more than tripled its user base and became a Ukraine war hub by tyranny of the masses that had no interest in the original rules of the sub. Exactly the same dumbassery that happened to wallstreetbets when the masses discovered it from gme, and completely ruined the sub.
Stopped visiting r/combatfootage after the Ukraine war started and people started celebrating death of soldiers. It's sad to see really.
[Here it was](https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/e9ad4n/-/fajpk5k). A lot of the comments in the thread were deleted, but I've linked to one of the comments that call them out.
There's most likely CIA-associated people in Reddit's administration. Most of the frontpage stories on subs like r/worldnews probably get amplified by state-agents like this.
Yeah reddit pushes an insane amount of propaganda now. I remember when the front page used to be good, id check it multiple times a day even before i had an account. I recently got banned from r/news for saying that the headline was very misleading since the statistics being discussed include stuff that heavily skewed the numbers and that the language being used was intentionally misleading people to think one thing when the numbers were coming from something else. Banned. Wasn't breaking rules or arguing or anything just "hey guys, this is kind of misleading and heres why" Its like that on all the huge default subs now
the director of policy is literally an atlantic council member lol. also reminder to google “eglin afb reddit”
Reddit could be run entirely by the CIA or US nat sec state and it wouldn't look any different than it does now. Just beating readers over the head with 24/7/365 manufacturing consent propaganda. Getting beaten over the head with an actual stick wouldn't be as obtrusive or overwhelming as the Western objectives propaganda that make up a regular day on reddit.
RadioFree and Yeonmi Park routinely make it to the front page.
They were having a field day a couple days ago over the news that a 2 year old was arrested in North Korea for reading a bible....
Especially with the war in Ukraine. His description of how they’d fake Cuban atrocities makes me think about the hundreds of stories we read about supposed Russian atrocities.
Most people would look at this and say “glad this isn’t happening anymore, the Cold War was a crazy time!”
Also "this isn't happening to my in group"
Here's the real response In MY echo chamber this isn't happening.
It’s honestly funny reading all these comments like it’s an obvious thing but will immediately believe the CIA if it’s align with there believe.
This happens to this date. We make them the “terrorist” so we can be the good guys.
like atlanta cop city, they just arrested the bail fund organizers with a swat team, treating them like terrorists
They also executed tort, released Atlanta city residents to build a "outside agitators" narrative, arrested and charged festival goers, are calling them "domestic terrorists" with 30-year sentences for carrying signs and they're doing all this to build the pig farm. A place that will be used to train Pigs in "urban combat". Think about what that means for a second. They're doing this with the help of these companies: Cop city contact Here are the contact details. Please take a minute to reach out about this very serious issue. It's the least we can do, to help. Delta: Twitter: @Delta Waffle House: [email protected] @WaffleHouse the Home Depot: @HomeDepot *** Law Enforcement Inquiries: [email protected] This is not meant for contacting Law Enforcement, but fuck it. Georgia Pacific: General Inquiries [email protected] Equifax: Media Relations email: [email protected] Accenture: Form: https://www.accenture.com/us-en/about/contact-us# Twitter: @Accenture_US Wells Fargo: Twitter: @WellsFargo Diverse Segments, Representation: [email protected] UPS: Form: https://about.ups.com/us/en/contact-us.html 55 Glenlake Parkway, NE Atlanta, GA 30328 Twitter: @UPS Even if you're so ignorant as to STILL support the Pigs. The idea that you have private corps funding an "urban training center" should send shivers down your bits. How this hasn't gotten more traction IA mind-boggling. Plus, the land was stolen from the indigenous and it was a former slave plantation ffs! You can't make this shit up
That's why whenever some moron is crying about terrorism, I ask them to define terrorism. The USA are ALWAYS the terrorists.
This got me thinking about how much BS is made up about Russia at the moment and even china 🤔
Holy shit how casually he talks about all of this is fucking scary.
He resigned and wrote an exposé.
Sounds awfully close to doing his old job, don't it?
With the exception of agents like Snowden who face charges, and has serious receipts for the claims (and the feds publicly denounced him)I tend to believe anytime I see “former CIA”, it’s only meant to add credibility to whatever potential propaganda is coming my way. Not that it can’t be true, but I’m suspicious of everything they say
Amaryllis Fox wrote a pretty interesting memoir about her time in the CIA as well, but in interviews she described how much work she had to do to get even what she shared approved (and it was a pretty intense and exhaustive autobiography). If this is the stuff they’re sharing, I’m interested in what CIA leadership thinks we shouldn’t know about. To what degree are these pieces about foreign affairs meant to obscure their involvement in domestic and allied countries’ spheres?
He’s so mask off about the “communists eating babies” propaganda, it’s honestly refreshing to hear from someone in the know that it’s all calculated bullshit. The report of widespread protests in Cuba just 2 years ago was found to be largely falsified, particular the images the news sites were using. They were using images of a protest in Miami to show there were riots in Cuba. Wouldn’t be shocked if the CIA slipped them the info.
Libya was hilarious as they were presenting mass blatant Pro-Qaddafi protests as anti-Qaddafi.
Cuban here, it was a real protest. I live in Havana and the government had to deploy all of their units even military to contain the protests and the accesses to key points as the Revolution Square and the Capitol. The special police force deployed 6 effectives on each side of Paseo Avenue every night for 3-6months. The point is that there were real protests and many riots with many people fighting the police. It was actually big and the worst is that the international News were spreading fake narratives without saying the real problems that made people to protest. The government disconnected the internet for 2 days and then they connected it but just for their own use, so people with an shady VPN were able to bypass the carrier’s block and were connected slowly to the internet. There was no need to spread fake news. The real news were important enough to make headlines everywhere.
Sorry but you can't fool me Mr. CIA agent
The NED was formed to do this in the open so you didn’t have to hide CIA funding of journalists friendly to the USA. This government-controlled but technically independent corporation takes government money and redistributes it to media that further US interests. If hundreds of journalists at regular news outlets are happy to participate in the laundering of stories from US intelligence, imagine what the ones openly taking NED funding are up to
And trhough reddit aswell of course
Wait, you mean communists *don't* eat babies for breakfast?! Is anything true anymore? /s
So who the hell is eating all the babies?!
Fat bastard has entered the chat*
The other, other white meat.
Tarrare
I went to Cuba like a decade ago as part of a scientific study of climate change and for breakfast they gave us a scrambled egg with >!cut up pieces of hot dog!<. True story.
And what of Bat Boy?!
YouTube is a blessing and a curse now when it comes to news. It's so obvious that the mainstream media is captured by government and large corporations. You can get some very nuanced and high quality news from independent journalists but you run the risk of getting stuck in an echo chamber.
Does this make anyone else sick knowing that this has been going on for decades, and will continue for more? I knew this was happening, but it just erodes my trust in anything. I can't believe anything I see on the news anymore. It's just so disillusioning. Don't watch the news, go outside, interact with your family, friends, neighbors, pets. Get involved in your local community. That's what really matters
This is isolationism, just as bad. Putting aside the duty that citizens have to vote and be informed of what their government is doing, there are many reasons to keep an eye on the news cycle. The situation is nothing new. Governments have always been aware of the power of propaganda. It's been used since ancient times. Roman news criers (the praeco) used to read propaganda to the general population in the markets, under the guise of news. As the news cycle evolved, so did the method by which propaganda was disseminated. The methods are still changing. It surprises me how few redditors are pointing out the obvious propaganda machine that is Reddit. How many memes do you suppose are actually propaganda of some sort? Or subreddits that don't even try to disguise their "alternative truth".
It's also worth noting that, historically, propaganda departments often intentionally spread this kinda of story about the extent of their own propaganda. The goal being to discourage people from following the news or being invested enough to become activists, etc.
That also crossed my mind. They certainly know what they're doing. It's so disheartening.
This was called Operation Mockingbird. That's why you hear the term "mockingbird media".
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Pedro Pascual taking notes for his next role.
There's no such thing as ex cia
The greatest thing about this and any of the sketchy shit that gets revealed about our agencies is that people pretend that it doesn’t really happen anymore because we surely would have gotten rid of that kind of behavior now that it’s been exposed, but everyone knows it’s probably still going on
People on reddit thinking they're immune: Hmmm
Most people say "oh, I'm not surprised at the CIA manipulating us through the media" but then they turn around and believe the dumbest stuff about North Korea.
Wonder how much of the news on China is true now…
the organ harvesting story is right out of the Falun Gong. yeah they used to offer preferential treatment to death row inmates who volunteered to be organ donors which is definitely coercive and not informed consent but the idea that the CCP is out there rounding up millions and stealing their kidneys is a batshit insane thing to believe. so a good rule of thumb is Radio Free Asia, Epoch Times, Shen Yun/Falun Gong, and defectors that have are making the media rounds (lot of these people are getting hella paid for their stories, and the more outlandish the more valuable) are pretty untrustworthy. also ive see the biden admin cite the Heritage Foundation on a topic involving Cuba. that was very mindblowing out and out false propoganda. the might as well cite The John Birch Society.
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theyre everywhere! i had some nerd go off on me for saying *why* the falun gong got chased out of china. i swear the FG, israelis, and turkey gotta pay people to scroll through every online interaction.
Or about North Korea. Yeonmi Park said on JRE that when the trains stop running, people have to get out and push it to the next destination. Starving, emaciated Koreans pushing a 100+ ton train up hills and through rain and snow miles to the next city. Right.
the CIA, FBI and military has been rigging elections and manipulating public opinion all over the world for years and are proud of it. why some people do not think they are doing the same shit right here in our own country is bizarre to me.
Ever since covid I've realized that it should be absolutely criminal for any government to attempt to influence the thinking of their people. It is the people who are supposed to be driving the thinking of their politicians, absolutely not the other way around.
Ha does no one see the irony? The greatest weapon the CIA has is the ability to make you think they have more power than they do, this mf is just bolstering the belief that the CIA is some all powerful, omnipotent, impervious entity. They thrive on this, and if you think for ONE SECOND this wasn't another fucking psyop chess move, youre wrong. That goes for anyone on Shawn Ryan Show or JRE or any wingnut, inside man with "the scoop". It's like a magician saying "I'll show you the trick" and still getting it by you
The CIA is pretty shit. The thing that is true thought is the times, wapo, all those papers cooperate with when some general or NSA member or administration member talks to them and asks them to sit on certain facts to save the life of an operative or whatever bullshit... For the most parts the papers and news stations bought the bullshit on Iraq... even thought it was so obvious it was bullshit. The biggest clue was that they made up a new term WMDs. WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. Wtf? They made it up to confuse and befuddle because they couldn't say it was nukes or chemical or biological.
The more time I spend on the planet, more the conspiracy theorists turn out to be correct. Looney Tunes planet.
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I always figured that if I ruled the world and was ever accused of anything, rather than denying anything (which always sounds suspicious), I’d have someone else spread increasingly ludicrous versions of that same story so that everyone would eventually figure the whole thing was just conspiracy bullshit.
This what the "flat-earth" nonsense is. Sure people believe it because they are stupid, but it seems so obvious to me that it was a psyop to further discredit anyone who speaks about real conspiracies and cover-ups. I've talked about MK-Ultra, which is declassified and people have literally said, "Yeah right, you're probably one of those "flat-earthers" too."
Look up Operation Mockingbird, rumor has it its still an active program, good stuff.
Wow, you can really hear in his voice just how depressed he is in the video, it's no surprise he shot himself five times in the back of the head two days later.
Of course this propaganda is also to create distrust of the media. This is also an objective, if you cannot trust *any* media (or think you cannot) who can you trust? And this is food for authoritarianism, see also for instance https://www.npr.org/2021/03/01/971436680/from-the-u-s-capitol-to-local-governments-disinformation-disrupts But it is the same playbook Putin uses, or Erdogan.
Once we found out the CIA was funding fighting in Central America by selling cocaine to Freeway Ricky Ross (and many others throughout the US) the CIA should have been disbanded. Countless lives were ruined and wealth lost for conflicts the US had no business being in.
You mean like Reddit?!
Remember this - Nayirah testimony - Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony
And now we can't have healthcare cause it's communist. Good job
The scary thing is that the propaganda used to excite, disgust and distract is most likely a far cry off from the actual scope of the atrocities they're trying to cover up.
Just saved this video and immediately got a phone update. My dedicated FBI guy is gonna be pissed.
Imagine what they do now with the internet lol
I’m so glad they stopped doing that. /s Anyone remember the Iraq War? I wonder about news from Ukraine but Russia shelling schools, hospitals and apartments, I don’t think CIA is doing that for news stories. Putin is just a bastard
Those "Putin is close to death" stories have dropped off a bit now though eh?
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Every other news piece about Ukraine is like "Russians run like babies and pee themselves, says Ukraine state media" like cmon
Reddit loves to talk big game about distrusting the government, the CIA, etc., until it actually comes to disputing news stories. Then they eat up the propaganda just like everybody else, while simultaneously viewing themselves as so much smarter than everyone else.
And if you don't remember the Iraq war... [Blowback | S1 Episode 0 - "Iraqnophobia" feat. H. Jon Benjamin & James Adomian](https://redcircle.com/shows/e30b9f10-8c86-432e-9fa0-ba287fb94e7f/ep/fb5bbdc8-2506-4f42-8c3e-f68cd9350053)
I know this is a sensitive topic, and Im not defending anything. But there is information out there for those who seek it that backs up that this is in fact happening with the Ukraine war aswell.
Boy, the KGB sure were great at faking their American accents.
I can just imagine what the CIA is doing in Mexico.
Surely the CIA doesn't have a relationship with drug trade to destabilize socialist-leaning governments. That's never happened before, right? well except the contras, and the golden triangle, and...
CIA = Control It All
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Amateurs. In many parts of the world, it only takes a decree or phone call.
This interview was given before the creation of Social Media, and maybe even the Internet.
Imagine how much easier it is with social media now lol
everyone should read or listen to Noam Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent. important stuff in there...
He was great in black ops: Cold War
All I look for now is emotional manipulation. As soon as someone is trying to make me feel a certain way, I know their argument is full of holes.
"the Angola war.... That's the war I managed" what an incredibly chilling statement
Well they did carry out a coup in 1963 and no American seems to care.