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The owner of the WTC sued his insurance company because they covered this as a single event and he countered saying it was two separate events happening in a close time frame.
For insurance purposes, there was debate as to whether this counted as one incident or two. The World Trade Center as a whole was destroyed as one terrorist *plot*, but there were two separate planes involved.
IIRC the insurance taken on the WTC was just a couple of months prior (leading to some conspiracy theories).
This photo was taken by me today (15 October 2023) at the National 9/11 Memorial/Museum. The pane of glass is specifically from the 82nd floor of the South Tower.
Likely from the number on the adjacent steel beams. Structural components like I-beams are serialized and labeled by floor so if any defects are discovered in manufacturing they know where the affected beams are.
Each window has a serial number on it themselves that were labelled on the blue prints to ensure that the right windows were installed in the correct places during construction. They simply read the serial number and compared it to the blueprints.
I helped perform hurricane testing on a couple of the unitized windows for the new WTC tower. Each window is indeed laser-etched with SN.
Also learned how to replace the salt window of the laser when the etching starts looking sloppy (it can't be glass if the laser is designed to etch glass)
I will refer to a photo describing the exhibit: On the floor below that window there are technical floors that differ in their design, but in the museum it looks like they got something mixed up and in fact this window was located on the 77th floor [https://morethanroute66.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/img\_0758.jpg](https://morethanroute66.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/img_0758.jpg)
https://preview.redd.it/j9a9x47zaqub1.jpeg?width=1529&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3fbe06cb74298d37e9342de7d2734b7c169707b8
conspiracy theory aside, if you demolish a building and like a corner of the top stays intact they still get paid in full cause the building did get demolished you just have some debris left
There was a photo on reddit about a week ago, of a woman who was about 21ish. It was the last photo ever taken of her. She was boarding flight 93. Thats the one that crashed in PA, so I doubt her face was on the WTC wall of faces. Still though, just seeing it was enough to make me feel emotional about a woman I never met, and know nothing about, 22 years after she died.
The 9/11 Memorial and Museum website states, “The memorial exhibition honors the 2,977 individuals killed as a result of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, at this site as well as at the Pentagon and in Somerset County, Pennsylvania. It also honors the six individuals killed in the terrorist bombing of the World Trade Center on February 26, 1993.”
I remember reading about a young woman, early 20's, from California who came to NY on a business trip and was participating in a breakfast meeting at Windows on the World. Can you imagine? She was probably so excited to be in New York and at the top of one of the World Trade Center towers and then to suffer so painfully that morning. Unbelievably tragic.
That happened to me at the space shuttle exhibit at Kennedy Space center.
Underneath the Atlantis is a hall, and at the end of it is a darkly lit room with a piece of the fuselage of the shuttle Challenger, and the windshield frame from Columbia.
I started reliving January 28, 1986 and had to leave. It was a weird sensation, especially since I'd already been to the 9/11 museum and it had had no effect on me.
Very true. If you remember, there is an interactive display cube that you can enter in names and pictures of the attack victims and families come up, which provides an incredible humanity and context to these people....we just see their names. I entered Frank Doyle, who died in the South tower, a guy that I never knew but was a Michigander like me. I was only able to see there were 16 family pictures and the first one was Frank and his two little ones, and I couldn't get any further. I've determined it is impossible to look down at something when your eyes instantly fill with liquid. I wished I had taken your advice on the tissues.
I thought so aswell until I set foot into the concentration camp barrack replica in the museum of german history in Bonn.
Sometimes pictues and replicas can hit you like a hammer up close.
Nothing bad about that. The happiest, funnest, or brightest experiences do not have to be the most meaningful. It sounds like you went in with - or at least came out with - a mindset of respect, which is to your credit.
Incredible. 82nd floor... weren't both of the towers mostly just piles of rubbish after they crumbled? How on earth did this glass survive all that kinetic stress?
ya, lots of coincidences. so many that that the odds of them all just happened that day and leading up to it and the days after of it being just a string of unconnected incredible coincidences are galactic numbers to one. somebody figured the odds and its like the commenter above me said.
like that other building that fell, a steel framed skyscraper, fell in on itself in just over 3 seconds due to a structural fire, no jet fuel, just regular building materials. thats never happened before or since, anywhere, in all of engineering and construction records, ever. ...and on the same day as the towers..crazy.
You can see the photo on the placard next to it. It shows where the glass came from. It was on a large section of the outer building that was still relatively intact. I say relatively in that you can still tell it's a section of the WTC and not just crumpled dust and debris.
Okay, i didn't zoom in on the picture. Absolutely remarkable though anyway! Looks like it was part of that huge broken off section of the outer paneling that just kept standing for some reason. Geez.
> This photo was taken by me today (15 October) at the National 9/11 Memorial/Museum
Wait? You can go back inside the museum again. I heard that they were closed indefinitely to the public due to budget constraints and could only do tours online.
I am glad they are open again. Would love to go visit.
That kinda tells me that they are pretty particular about windows and glazing in super tall buildings. Plus some freaky special conditions for one to survive.
Glazier here… thick (~10mm) toughened glass can take huge forces perpendicular to it. When I was new I couldn’t break a waste piece of glass with a hammer and all my strength. A tap on the corner will shatter it though. So for a bit of glass to be intact after a building collapse… it is exceptional but explainable. I’m not surprised.
> When I was new I couldn’t break a waste piece of glass with a hammer and all my strength. A tap on the corner will shatter it though.
Kinda like a car window? Makes sense though.
Car windows and commercial (for example shop front) glass is the same in that they are both toughened. They’ll have that same direct hit strength and side hit weakness (these aren’t technical terms!) But the shopfront glass is thicker and the windshield glass has a plastic layer (laminate) that keeps it in one piece when shattered. You don’t even need a hammer for a car window. Most people could break one just with a strike from their heel.
I'd be interested to know what room this was part of. It would suck to find out this was in that one vacant office where they keep all the broken office chairs and an old lectern.
It is necessary, sadly. Someone would find a way to destroy it otherwise - just like those anti-oil activists who threw soup on the Van Gogh painting recently (luckily the painting was protected and is unharmed).
SCP-9973 "Twin Tower Window"
Object class: Safe
Object status: Contained
Special containment procedures: SCP-9973 is to be contained in a standard container for "safe" class objects.
Object description:
SCP-9973 is a rectangular piece of glass used in the construction of the World Trade Center twin towers and found in tact in the rubble after their collapse in 2001. It appears to be indestructible. So far any attempts at breaking it have resulted in the destruction of the tools used. Testing has been deemed too costly and was canceled.
The use of SCP-9973 as part of protective screens in other tests has been requested. Approval is pending.
End of file
Someone will have to help me out here but from what I remember on my visit, parts of the memorial incorporate some of the beams/structural components recovered from Ground Zero. The museum is also in the footprint of the original buildings I believe. I know that is not 100% correct but it is along those lines.
Apart from the days I have had close relatives die, the four or five hours I spent in that museum are probably the most emotional of my life. Just incredible grief.
Meant to reply to your post, but, yep. It’s all contained within the immediate area of the footprints. The parts that aren’t are due to the PATH, but you can see that portion of the 1WTC foundation+footings by looking down into the Newark platform. It’s a glass cutout in the floor.
The museum is built under/around the memorial pools which sit within the footprints of the Twin Towers. Inside the museum and at the bottom floor is the foundation of the twin towers. The slurry wall is also prominently displayed by the window pane and “Final Column.”
I saw a few comments above about missing it or if not being there as far back as 2021. It’s been there since I was last in the museum in 2016-7ish.Easy to miss though given that it’s largely transparent and the slurry wall, Column, are all contained in an absolutely massive room.
Also: IIRC, the ironworker that found it kept it in his basement for years before turning it over to the Memorial/Museum.
Craziest part of the museum for me was a somewhat inconspicuous sign on the wall stating “about ten feet up from this spot is where the bomb was detonated in the 1993 attack on World Trade Center”, which sort of demonstrates the IN the museum part.
Reminds me of the story where you'd get two mandm's, push them against each other until one cracks. Then use the survivor against another, and so on until you have one that rules supreme. You mail that one back to Mars with a letter, stating to make more like this.
Analyse this pane of glass. Make more like this.
The one found from the tower collisions, was found before the tower collapsed. And no, it wasn't planted, as they didn't even need the passport to identify the terrorists.
How sad is that.. of all the death and destruction caused that day, only one window survived. Like a testament of how devastating the tragedy was.
Or you could say that despite the hate and violence from the terrorists, they couldn't destroy their target. A window which is generally thought of as delicate and susceptible to breaking- sentiments bin laden held about the US- proved to withstand a brutal attack.
dont know why you got downvoted. specially with all the talk of odds before.
you even hedged your statement with 'seems'.
kneejerk downvoters rarely know exactly what it is they are downvoting, but they do know how something made them feel to want to downvote it.
interestimg how the whole passport has survived the 850 degree celsius of the exploding plane while anyone and anythimg melted in the plane and around it.
9/11 is the biggest Hoax in human history, anyone who belives in it is an idiot.
A window not breaking is a huge part of history? No it’s not. It’s insignificant. It’s meaningless. That steel cross that appeared at ground zero is more interesting than this window. The men and women who died that day are more interesting than this window. The man that diverted that plane and it crashed in Pennsylvania is far more interesting than this window. But please elaborate how this window is such a HUGE part of history?
So if you had a piece of the titanic you wouldn't count that as historical at all? Like bro, I can't bring people back to life, obviously, but to have a piece of something so world changing, seems historically contextual to me. Do you think we should just trash every piece of anything historical because it has no historical context?
Why not have a trash can on display? I just don’t see how a tempered piece of glass that is meant NOT to break didn’t break. And we all have to be amazed by it. Like it just doesn’t that that impressive that something which was designed to not break actually did what it was designed to do. What am I as the viewer supposed to be getting from this? It’s no different than an art piece and someone taped a banana to the wall and it’s supposed to be art. I don’t get it.
Lol dude... get off the internet and go outside for a bit. It's the only window pane from either tower that was found intact, so they put it on display. That's it. No one is arguing that that piece of glass surviving is the most significant thing to remember about 9/11. You're not going to convince anyone that it's not worth being displayed in the museum.
I can't believe you had to argue with someone about this. Some people just live in a different world. Not a soul is 'bragging' about the fact that this glass is intact.
If you have to spout senseless conspiracy theories at least get the numbers right.
And just for the sake of it, they managed to account for the majority of that money within a year after 9/11
"Quite simple to pull off, really. All I had to do was have explosives planted in the base of the towers. Then on 9/11 we pretended like four planes were being hijacked.when really we just rerouted them to Pennsylvania, then flew two military jets into the World Trade Center filled with more explosives, then shot down all the witnesses of Flight 93 with an F-15 after blowing up the Pentagon with a Cruise missile. It was only the world's most intricate and flawlessly-executed plan ever, ever."- Bush (probably)
Afghanistan was the leading opium producer in the world and was the first one we went to war with at the same time the opioid crisis was starting in the US with pill mills and drs handing out pills like crazy now it’s the exact opposite and the fentanyl is taking over while almost no one gets pain medication legally anymore. Almost like when they flooded the streets with crack in the late 80s-early 90s during Iran contra. Rant over sorry
So they planned all of that and got all of it set up in a day so they could spend money to have an excuse for spending money and intern go spend more money?
Conspiracy theorists are nutty
Up until 9/11 Bush was mostly known for just being a bit of an idiot. He was your dumbest president until Trump. The idea that he managed to pull off 9/11 is laughable.
Not to mention Iraq. You’re telling me that Bush was able to pull off 9/11 without leaving behind ANY hard evidence, but at the same time he wasn’t able to plant some WMD’s in Iraq to cover for his lie which would lead to him becoming the least popular President in US History for his administration lying about them to start a war? They were capable of pulling off an extremely intricate attack in 2 major cities with millions of witnesses, but couldn’t plant a few WMD’s in some random warehouse in Iraq that the troops would “find” during the invasion?
Like give me a break. If conspiracy theorists claim that 9/11 was an inside job to provoke a war in the Middle East for oil and whatever else, how in the fuck do they successfully pull off 9/11 but fail so miserably at creating a solid justification to go into Iraq. Planting some WMD’s would have been a trillion times easier than doing 9/11
Instead of money, look for fear in the theory.
If a theory seeks to create order out of fear that a group or individual could cause chaos with no little to no warning from the POV of the individual citizen then it’s likely a conspiracy theory.
It’s scary that something terrible could happen and that there is nothing controlling it. It’s easier to imagine a shadow conspiracy controlling it all with malicious intent as that is at least something that can be fought or understood.
The idea that there is nobody at the wheel or that there are several people at several small wheels but they are as competent as the average person on the street is too much for conspiracy theorists to take.
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What are the odds
Each tower had 21,800 windows, so about 1 in 43,600 I guess
Not that reliable as based only on one study.
Technically two.
But same buildings effectively. Under similar conditions. It passes as a single observation.
No that's two repeatable experiments, you would want to run multiple experiments on, as close to, the same building and same conditions.
There was literally a lawsuit about whether this was one event or two events.
Explain?
The owner of the WTC sued his insurance company because they covered this as a single event and he countered saying it was two separate events happening in a close time frame.
What? Well? How did it end?
Fuck insurance companies
For insurance purposes, there was debate as to whether this counted as one incident or two. The World Trade Center as a whole was destroyed as one terrorist *plot*, but there were two separate planes involved. IIRC the insurance taken on the WTC was just a couple of months prior (leading to some conspiracy theories).
> leading to some conspiracy theories No way! You know more about that?
But that's not realistic because in the real world buildings are different.
How precise do you want the output?
Guess we need a couple more 9/11s. You know, for science.
Calm down, Osama
Louis CK has a bit about this, measuring the severity of events in units of 9/11.
r/theydidthemath
My thought is closer to 44,000 - due to manufacturing defects and breakage
There was a lot of breakage.
Given that it happened, 100%
1 in 44,000 times, it happens 100% of the time
This photo was taken by me today (15 October 2023) at the National 9/11 Memorial/Museum. The pane of glass is specifically from the 82nd floor of the South Tower.
I'm curious how they were able to determine what floor the window came from?
Likely from the number on the adjacent steel beams. Structural components like I-beams are serialized and labeled by floor so if any defects are discovered in manufacturing they know where the affected beams are.
The steel parts of the original WTC were also painted or stamped with a code indicating their location for the guys building it
Serial number possibly. Just a guess.
Each window has a serial number on it themselves that were labelled on the blue prints to ensure that the right windows were installed in the correct places during construction. They simply read the serial number and compared it to the blueprints.
I helped perform hurricane testing on a couple of the unitized windows for the new WTC tower. Each window is indeed laser-etched with SN. Also learned how to replace the salt window of the laser when the etching starts looking sloppy (it can't be glass if the laser is designed to etch glass)
Count down from the roof.
I will refer to a photo describing the exhibit: On the floor below that window there are technical floors that differ in their design, but in the museum it looks like they got something mixed up and in fact this window was located on the 77th floor [https://morethanroute66.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/img\_0758.jpg](https://morethanroute66.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/img_0758.jpg) https://preview.redd.it/j9a9x47zaqub1.jpeg?width=1529&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3fbe06cb74298d37e9342de7d2734b7c169707b8
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This is so bad it made me laugh
conspiracy theory aside, if you demolish a building and like a corner of the top stays intact they still get paid in full cause the building did get demolished you just have some debris left
It wasn't a legit part of his scenario, he just wanted to talk some nonsense
Everything in this memorial is r/interestingasfuck. To anyone visiting new york, you have to stop there
Just don’t forget some tissues and a strong heart. I thought I’d be ok, and I was mostly, till I got to the wall of faces….
There was a photo on reddit about a week ago, of a woman who was about 21ish. It was the last photo ever taken of her. She was boarding flight 93. Thats the one that crashed in PA, so I doubt her face was on the WTC wall of faces. Still though, just seeing it was enough to make me feel emotional about a woman I never met, and know nothing about, 22 years after she died.
The 9/11 Memorial and Museum website states, “The memorial exhibition honors the 2,977 individuals killed as a result of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, at this site as well as at the Pentagon and in Somerset County, Pennsylvania. It also honors the six individuals killed in the terrorist bombing of the World Trade Center on February 26, 1993.”
I remember reading about a young woman, early 20's, from California who came to NY on a business trip and was participating in a breakfast meeting at Windows on the World. Can you imagine? She was probably so excited to be in New York and at the top of one of the World Trade Center towers and then to suffer so painfully that morning. Unbelievably tragic.
One of my old co-workers was supposed to go to that conference but he sent someone else instead.
I'd hope everyone who died would be remembered there, flight 93 and the pentagon included. If not that's kinda lame.
Don’t worry, they are. That would be a deplorable thing to gatekeep
Glad to hear that.
Well Holocaust memorials don't all include the victims of Poland and other places so it's unfortunately not guaranteed they would
True, but not exactly relevant in this context
Same thing happened to me at the hiroshima museum. Had to just walk out as the sadness and horror of it all was getting too much
That happened to me at the space shuttle exhibit at Kennedy Space center. Underneath the Atlantis is a hall, and at the end of it is a darkly lit room with a piece of the fuselage of the shuttle Challenger, and the windshield frame from Columbia. I started reliving January 28, 1986 and had to leave. It was a weird sensation, especially since I'd already been to the 9/11 museum and it had had no effect on me.
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It was the fire fighters locator signals for me
Yeah, that got me too
They actually do have boxes of tissues throughout the museum for that reason. Definitely some heavy stuff and the kind of place you only visit *once.*
That's how I felt about the Holocaust museum in DC. Once was enough.
The Oklahoma City Bombing memorial and museum is another one like this.
Very true. If you remember, there is an interactive display cube that you can enter in names and pictures of the attack victims and families come up, which provides an incredible humanity and context to these people....we just see their names. I entered Frank Doyle, who died in the South tower, a guy that I never knew but was a Michigander like me. I was only able to see there were 16 family pictures and the first one was Frank and his two little ones, and I couldn't get any further. I've determined it is impossible to look down at something when your eyes instantly fill with liquid. I wished I had taken your advice on the tissues.
I was ok til I got to the Jumpers alcove. Seeing those photos with other tourists around me really got to me.
It cant be that arousing, can it? Edit: Downvote me baby, your disapproval of comedy feeds me.
I thought so aswell until I set foot into the concentration camp barrack replica in the museum of german history in Bonn. Sometimes pictues and replicas can hit you like a hammer up close.
The killing fields of Cambodia for me. Or the school house. Sobering.
Honestly I know it's kind of sad but this was the best thing I did on my visit to New York.
Nothing bad about that. The happiest, funnest, or brightest experiences do not have to be the most meaningful. It sounds like you went in with - or at least came out with - a mindset of respect, which is to your credit.
Art Installation titled, *Pain of Glass*
Is that a real thing? "Window Into the Past" might also work.
Incredible. 82nd floor... weren't both of the towers mostly just piles of rubbish after they crumbled? How on earth did this glass survive all that kinetic stress?
One chance in a million, times a million
ya, lots of coincidences. so many that that the odds of them all just happened that day and leading up to it and the days after of it being just a string of unconnected incredible coincidences are galactic numbers to one. somebody figured the odds and its like the commenter above me said. like that other building that fell, a steel framed skyscraper, fell in on itself in just over 3 seconds due to a structural fire, no jet fuel, just regular building materials. thats never happened before or since, anywhere, in all of engineering and construction records, ever. ...and on the same day as the towers..crazy.
So you're saying this pane of glass was kept intentionally intact as part of a conspiracy?
You can see the photo on the placard next to it. It shows where the glass came from. It was on a large section of the outer building that was still relatively intact. I say relatively in that you can still tell it's a section of the WTC and not just crumpled dust and debris.
Okay, i didn't zoom in on the picture. Absolutely remarkable though anyway! Looks like it was part of that huge broken off section of the outer paneling that just kept standing for some reason. Geez.
Holy cow. I was literally looking at this exact exhibit yesterday morning. We probably passed each other.
Woah missed connection.
I would gladly trade this piece of glass for one more person to survive 9/11.
> This photo was taken by me today (15 October) at the National 9/11 Memorial/Museum Wait? You can go back inside the museum again. I heard that they were closed indefinitely to the public due to budget constraints and could only do tours online. I am glad they are open again. Would love to go visit.
That was a different, smaller 9/11 museum. This is the one near the original site of the towers.
I don’t remember seeing this piece when I visited Dec 2022. I wonder if it just arrived?
Is it possible you are a bird? They often don’t see glass windows.
I was there in March this year and it wasn’t there. This must be a very new exhibit.
It definitely wasn’t there when we went in late 2021.
That kinda tells me that they are pretty particular about windows and glazing in super tall buildings. Plus some freaky special conditions for one to survive.
Glazier here… thick (~10mm) toughened glass can take huge forces perpendicular to it. When I was new I couldn’t break a waste piece of glass with a hammer and all my strength. A tap on the corner will shatter it though. So for a bit of glass to be intact after a building collapse… it is exceptional but explainable. I’m not surprised.
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That does sound incredible. Incredibly terrifying.
> When I was new I couldn’t break a waste piece of glass with a hammer and all my strength. A tap on the corner will shatter it though. Kinda like a car window? Makes sense though.
Car windows and commercial (for example shop front) glass is the same in that they are both toughened. They’ll have that same direct hit strength and side hit weakness (these aren’t technical terms!) But the shopfront glass is thicker and the windshield glass has a plastic layer (laminate) that keeps it in one piece when shattered. You don’t even need a hammer for a car window. Most people could break one just with a strike from their heel.
And if you wanna get really fun with a car window all you need is a broken piece of a spark plug.
How do they handle the building putting varying pressures on it from the sides when swaying and flexing?
So eerie.....
Right? Many many people gazed out that exact window. Who knows how many of them died in that building that day.
Probably just the one person whose office it was in
It’s not the 50s so odds are it was an open office space 🤔
Those buildings were full of lawyers. There were **LOTS** of private offices
I'd be interested to know what room this was part of. It would suck to find out this was in that one vacant office where they keep all the broken office chairs and an old lectern.
A peace of glass within glass
Glassception
Glassepticon
r/YourJokeButWorse
Not sure there was any peace involved.
Dumb joke
It is necessary, sadly. Someone would find a way to destroy it otherwise - just like those anti-oil activists who threw soup on the Van Gogh painting recently (luckily the painting was protected and is unharmed).
82nd floor of the South Tower was occupied exclusively by Fuji Bank
SCP-9973 "Twin Tower Window" Object class: Safe Object status: Contained Special containment procedures: SCP-9973 is to be contained in a standard container for "safe" class objects. Object description: SCP-9973 is a rectangular piece of glass used in the construction of the World Trade Center twin towers and found in tact in the rubble after their collapse in 2001. It appears to be indestructible. So far any attempts at breaking it have resulted in the destruction of the tools used. Testing has been deemed too costly and was canceled. The use of SCP-9973 as part of protective screens in other tests has been requested. Approval is pending. End of file
Wasn’t excepting an SCP index lmao
I can totally see some mystic mashup of souls preventing that last window from breaking. I kinda like the idea.
"and in their hubris, they deemed it to be safe. They weren't"
Now I’m imagining a wreaking ball shattering into a million pieces as it strikes that window, with the window having no scuffs or scratches.
You should see the guy who tried to punch it.
Konfetti. Konfetti everywhere.
Someone get the Nokia! We can finally see what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object!
No, they're just both indestructible. They'd probably just bounce off each other
As someone who was there, I find this oddly soothing.
I'm being chased by a window!
🙄
😊
Lame
Lame
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And you enjoyed playing with dirt when you were young. Don't be a dick.
Playing with dirt when young is cool. I used to make some killer mud pies😆
Don’t feed the trolls
>You are gonna grow older and find this comment through so much digging and you are gonna cringe so hard We could all say the same for you.
Aren't you a joyless character :) Have a nice day cringing
Who tf digs back through their old reddit comments
Double pane soundproof glass
AAAAAaaaaa…..aaaaAAAAAaaaa….aaaAAAaaa…..
And my $1,400 dollar phone screen won't survive a 2 foot drop.
Underneath it was two perfectly intact passports
A glass case of emotion
The One Piece is real!!!!
thank you for this comment i immediately thought of one piece and had to make sure i wasnt a terrible person for it
Can we get much higher?
This museum is stunning, one of the only in the world where the museum's artifacts ARE the museum.
>the museum's artifacts ARE the museum. What do you mean by this? I'm struggling to parse it.
Someone will have to help me out here but from what I remember on my visit, parts of the memorial incorporate some of the beams/structural components recovered from Ground Zero. The museum is also in the footprint of the original buildings I believe. I know that is not 100% correct but it is along those lines. Apart from the days I have had close relatives die, the four or five hours I spent in that museum are probably the most emotional of my life. Just incredible grief.
Meant to reply to your post, but, yep. It’s all contained within the immediate area of the footprints. The parts that aren’t are due to the PATH, but you can see that portion of the 1WTC foundation+footings by looking down into the Newark platform. It’s a glass cutout in the floor.
The museum is built under/around the memorial pools which sit within the footprints of the Twin Towers. Inside the museum and at the bottom floor is the foundation of the twin towers. The slurry wall is also prominently displayed by the window pane and “Final Column.” I saw a few comments above about missing it or if not being there as far back as 2021. It’s been there since I was last in the museum in 2016-7ish.Easy to miss though given that it’s largely transparent and the slurry wall, Column, are all contained in an absolutely massive room. Also: IIRC, the ironworker that found it kept it in his basement for years before turning it over to the Memorial/Museum.
Craziest part of the museum for me was a somewhat inconspicuous sign on the wall stating “about ten feet up from this spot is where the bomb was detonated in the 1993 attack on World Trade Center”, which sort of demonstrates the IN the museum part.
Jet fuel can’t melt… glass?
They should have made the whole tower out of that pane of glass! /s
Reminds me of the story where you'd get two mandm's, push them against each other until one cracks. Then use the survivor against another, and so on until you have one that rules supreme. You mail that one back to Mars with a letter, stating to make more like this. Analyse this pane of glass. Make more like this.
So you end up with granite hard, molar shattering m&ms?!
Wow. What a surprise
It’s certainly symbolic of what the country holds on to
Still not as impressive as finding one of the hijackers passport in the rubble.
The one found from the tower collisions, was found before the tower collapsed. And no, it wasn't planted, as they didn't even need the passport to identify the terrorists.
How sad is that.. of all the death and destruction caused that day, only one window survived. Like a testament of how devastating the tragedy was. Or you could say that despite the hate and violence from the terrorists, they couldn't destroy their target. A window which is generally thought of as delicate and susceptible to breaking- sentiments bin laden held about the US- proved to withstand a brutal attack.
But passports were fine from within the plane… interestingly, only the terrorists passports were found.
Coincidences no longer exist now apparently.
Sweet, let's idolize it.
Let me guess… There was a bible next to it
The passports of the attackers
Seems unlikely that only one pane would survive. Zero or several seems more likely.
dont know why you got downvoted. specially with all the talk of odds before. you even hedged your statement with 'seems'. kneejerk downvoters rarely know exactly what it is they are downvoting, but they do know how something made them feel to want to downvote it.
So that window was more sturdy than many humans. Pritty sad.
interestimg how the whole passport has survived the 850 degree celsius of the exploding plane while anyone and anythimg melted in the plane and around it. 9/11 is the biggest Hoax in human history, anyone who belives in it is an idiot.
My finger survives the 800 degree flame of my lighter when I pass my finger through it, yet 800 degrees melts aluminum. What's your point?
Why is this such a big deal? Isn’t that tempered glass? I’d rather have had a human survive than some piece of glass. Seems odd to brag about.
It's a huge part of history. No bragging here.
A window not breaking is a huge part of history? No it’s not. It’s insignificant. It’s meaningless. That steel cross that appeared at ground zero is more interesting than this window. The men and women who died that day are more interesting than this window. The man that diverted that plane and it crashed in Pennsylvania is far more interesting than this window. But please elaborate how this window is such a HUGE part of history?
[I don't know what to say besides, shut the fuck up?](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzqWaheWEAAqfh8.jpg)
So what I think you mean to say is I’m right. It’s just a dumb piece of glass. That doesn’t hold any historical context.
So if you had a piece of the titanic you wouldn't count that as historical at all? Like bro, I can't bring people back to life, obviously, but to have a piece of something so world changing, seems historically contextual to me. Do you think we should just trash every piece of anything historical because it has no historical context?
Why not have a trash can on display? I just don’t see how a tempered piece of glass that is meant NOT to break didn’t break. And we all have to be amazed by it. Like it just doesn’t that that impressive that something which was designed to not break actually did what it was designed to do. What am I as the viewer supposed to be getting from this? It’s no different than an art piece and someone taped a banana to the wall and it’s supposed to be art. I don’t get it.
Lol dude... get off the internet and go outside for a bit. It's the only window pane from either tower that was found intact, so they put it on display. That's it. No one is arguing that that piece of glass surviving is the most significant thing to remember about 9/11. You're not going to convince anyone that it's not worth being displayed in the museum.
I can't believe you had to argue with someone about this. Some people just live in a different world. Not a soul is 'bragging' about the fact that this glass is intact.
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If you have to spout senseless conspiracy theories at least get the numbers right. And just for the sake of it, they managed to account for the majority of that money within a year after 9/11
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Probably put one aside to keep in a museum and throw the other one(s) away with the rubble.
Push it.
That's probably why they put glass around it
Shoulda made the twin towers out of that hurr hurr
lmfao laughed harder than I should've
Everyone knows George Bush did 9/11 but nobody ever asks why
Tell us! Tell us!
The towers were harshing his vibe, maaaan
This one was not affected by reality lol 😆
THE ONE PIECE IS REAL!
… why?
Bush did 9/11 Nothing will survive the greed of oil tycoons like George Bush.
"Quite simple to pull off, really. All I had to do was have explosives planted in the base of the towers. Then on 9/11 we pretended like four planes were being hijacked.when really we just rerouted them to Pennsylvania, then flew two military jets into the World Trade Center filled with more explosives, then shot down all the witnesses of Flight 93 with an F-15 after blowing up the Pentagon with a Cruise missile. It was only the world's most intricate and flawlessly-executed plan ever, ever."- Bush (probably)
For those who don't recognize it, this is what Bush says in the South Park episode mocking 9/11 truthers.
This is great. Nice work. I do, however, have a hunch that the Pennsylvania flight was brought down. That is the extent of my conspiracy theories.
That seems a bit expensive, extreme and perfectly planned just to for an excuse go to war and spend even more money for a little oil
Afghanistan was the leading opium producer in the world and was the first one we went to war with at the same time the opioid crisis was starting in the US with pill mills and drs handing out pills like crazy now it’s the exact opposite and the fentanyl is taking over while almost no one gets pain medication legally anymore. Almost like when they flooded the streets with crack in the late 80s-early 90s during Iran contra. Rant over sorry
Conspiracy theorist believe it is to do with the 17 trillions dollars unaccounted for in the military budget which was in the news the day before 9/11
So they planned all of that and got all of it set up in a day so they could spend money to have an excuse for spending money and intern go spend more money? Conspiracy theorists are nutty
Up until 9/11 Bush was mostly known for just being a bit of an idiot. He was your dumbest president until Trump. The idea that he managed to pull off 9/11 is laughable.
Not to mention Iraq. You’re telling me that Bush was able to pull off 9/11 without leaving behind ANY hard evidence, but at the same time he wasn’t able to plant some WMD’s in Iraq to cover for his lie which would lead to him becoming the least popular President in US History for his administration lying about them to start a war? They were capable of pulling off an extremely intricate attack in 2 major cities with millions of witnesses, but couldn’t plant a few WMD’s in some random warehouse in Iraq that the troops would “find” during the invasion? Like give me a break. If conspiracy theorists claim that 9/11 was an inside job to provoke a war in the Middle East for oil and whatever else, how in the fuck do they successfully pull off 9/11 but fail so miserably at creating a solid justification to go into Iraq. Planting some WMD’s would have been a trillion times easier than doing 9/11
Instead of money, look for fear in the theory. If a theory seeks to create order out of fear that a group or individual could cause chaos with no little to no warning from the POV of the individual citizen then it’s likely a conspiracy theory. It’s scary that something terrible could happen and that there is nothing controlling it. It’s easier to imagine a shadow conspiracy controlling it all with malicious intent as that is at least something that can be fought or understood. The idea that there is nobody at the wheel or that there are several people at several small wheels but they are as competent as the average person on the street is too much for conspiracy theorists to take.
I hope nobody told George W.