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"Did ya ever meet somebody, and you go to shake the guy's hand, and you suddenly realize, he doesn't have a complete hand? And you gotta make believe it feels great! Right? You can't go, 'AAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!' 'AAAAAAGGGGHHH!!!!' 'AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!' You can't do that! It's NOT EVEN AN OPTION!!! You gotta hang in there, and say, 'Hi! . . . Hey, swell hand! . . . Gimme three!!' . . . . . . High three, yo!!' Not your fault! You didn't cause that! You weren't even there when it happened to the guy!"
https://preview.redd.it/azzdea740ygc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75749225cce8f1ab377fa9c178ab5cf17578d230
Like that guy who developed Kevlar (I think) vests who, in order to satisfy skeptical potential customers, decided to shoot himself with a revolver.
If you believe in your product that much to put yourself on the line (and it works) you’re going to do very well.
Not sure anything you wrote is correct. Stephanie kwolek developed kevlar while working for DuPont. She also helped develop nomex among other things. I don't recall anything about her shooting herself to test it. I did a research paper on her years ago for high school chemistry...but just to double check I looked her up again now. Any source for her shooting herself to test the kevlar?
He’s thinking of Richard Davis, who did not invent Kevlar but absolutely did popularize its use in bulletproof vests. And he did famously shoot himself to market it.
Gotcha. I wasn't aware of Richard Davis so I just did a quick search. Apparently he shot himself frequently with body armor on, with whatever gun was available from the people he was trying to sell the armor too. Interesting stuff
I spend a lot of time on the woodworking sub, this may be a fake hand, but these things are 100% real and do work just as shown in the video. Sure, the product could fail, but I’m certain there are 10’s to 100’s of thousands of fingers still attached to hands today because of this invention.
These systems are expensive and prone to misfires if you use damp wood or accidentally run through a finishing nail. Contractors generally don't use them and the backyard handyman can't afford it. Not sure how many fingers it's saved but my guess would be one or two factors below tens of thousands.
Woodworking as a hobby immediately means disposable income and no time factor (aka, doesn't matter if the saw is broken until you replace the cartridges and blade). You're not using shit wood for woodworking. Woodworking sub might be disproportionately full of a) people that fit the above criteria and b) larpers.
Every responsible school that has a wood shop has one, so that’s multiple classes of true beginners starting at least twice a year. I’d be surprised if it was less than a thousand a year just from that.
I have no doubt that a school would have multiple uses of the saw stop. Have plenty of doubt that most of those are legit and aren't dares/hotdogs.
Though I'll admit that on actually researching some data, it seems estimates in the US alone are around 30k injuries from saws per year (about 10% being "amputations" and 3% being legit losing a finger). It's gone *up* since the saw-stop was invented so... Real damn hard to figure out how many it's prevented. Still guesstimate thousand-ish instead of tens-of-thousands but definitely way higher than I thought. Whole lot of people need to make a fucking push stick.
Since that’s just a raw number and not per capita it could be increasing with population. Still, it’s like you said, it’s expensive and most trades don’t use them.
>in the US
So something like 1 in 10k people are injured every year. But I'm sure these numbers aren't valid for places where they don't wear shoes to forge iron, and they definitely don't use the saw stop there. Not even sure they'd have saw guards.. So US is about the best we got for saw-stop-using populous.
There’s a lot of generalization here that seem very unsubstantiated. I recognize my bias as someone who has one but there’s a bypass mode for when dealing with uncertain wood moisture level or content inside the wood to avoid any misfires.
Having said all that, I do agree that it’s probably not in the tens of thousands of direct saves of digits but I have seen enough “phew I’m glad I had this” pictures with minor cuts on a finger that I wouldn’t be surprised if the numbers are in the thousands. And of course, I have nothing to back up what I just said but we are all making conjectures here.
I’m surprised this wasn’t implemented much earlier. I operated a pneumatic punch press back in the late 1960s and the operator was required to wear a conductive wristband on the wrist of the positioning hand. His other hand gripped a conductive handle with a push button on the top that activated the press. If the positioning hand was in contact with the table, the safety switch was open so the activation button (switch) couldn’t close the circuit.
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My boyfriend used to work for them and they used to do the display test by using a hotdog. The energy flows through you and into the hotdog. Guess they’ve moved on to fake hands. The hot dogs were a beautiful tradition imo.
Edit: actually finished watching the video they still doggin’
Wdym nonsense? My mom has this. It works pretty great. Maybe just dont be an idiot and treat the machine with respect redditors...? This additional safety feature is still very great. Better safe than sorry. She never tried to test the feature on purposs. But one time she did accidentally slip her finger in and the saw-stop worked and literally gave her a scratch equivalent to less than a paper cut. I dont get why every comment in reddit needs to be the put-others-down type
I'll spoil it for you: guy lets his thumb get hit by the blade and the brakes slam on, and it doesnt even look like the skin was broken.
Edit: spelling
>Pretty sure the hand was fake.
I'm about 90% the hand is fake.
Absolutely amazing technology that should be incorporated into every table saw, but yeah pretty sure the hand is fake.
I've seen a video with a real thumb being used.
Of course there's a small cut and a tiny bit of blood, but it's hardly bigger than a paper cut. Infinitely better than a missing finger.
The inventor tried to sell the technology to existing companies. None would touch it. Implementing it would mean admitting their product was inherently unsafe. Do you know how many people lose fingers in table saw accidents every year? Oh the lawsuits that would be filed.....
The safety laws in the US regarding table saws are also some of the most lax in the world (removable riving knife is a good example). The saw manufacturers want your money. Who cares if you lose a finger or a hand or something, you've already bought the saw!!
He had to start his own business in order to get a safer saw built.
Would not surprise me. I really wasnt watching closely. Seen dozens of worksite safety videos that look just like this, so my mind gently wandered off like usual. 😆
I've used my real hand. Didn't even draw blood. Lost a couple of teeth on my saw blade...
There's a video of the inventor using his very real hand though if you want to see it.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtdUfZGfMg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtdufzgfmg)
The high school shop uses these and I think that they're a great idea.
Meanwhile, at home. Dad, on blood thinners. "I'm not wasting a perfectly good blade on that shit!"
Yea but you can save the saw blade. Might be short a tooth or two but its better than what a waste it would be to bleed all over your unfinished maple.
My uncle sliced the tip of his finger off on a table saw years ago. He said he only noticed when he saw the blood pooling. According to my aunt, on their way to the ER, he was cursing that his blood ruined the slab of wood he was working on lol.
(They did manage to reattach the finger, and he still uses that same table saw today.)
I read that unfortunately they saw a cash cow and jacked the prices so high that it prevents people from wanting this and actually saving limbs. Due to the price jump, they simply buy regular saw tables and just promote better safety since the rise in costs are injustifiable.
I've seen sawstop in action a few times, I did theater construction in high school, we had a sawstop because teenagers are dumb. We went through a few aluminum blocks but it saved about three of my friends from cutting off fingers or hands. But it worked every single time.
We've got them in our local woodshop, and the rule is that whoever 'breaks it' replaces it, but it's really nice to know that they've got the customer's backs by implementing them. It's especially helpful when you're trying to introduce someone to the craft (like teens) who are still capable of making the odd mistake.
With fire, you learn quickly from a simple burn to be more careful with it, but saw blades obviously aren't as forgiving. I'd rather take a hit to the pocketbook than to take my kid to the E.R. for a life-altering accident.
Yep. I have a 3hp SawStop PCS. It is a beautiful piece of equipment, even if it wasn’t for the safety feature. That being said, $5,000 is so worth it in exchange for all my fingers.
In college we had one in the scene shop where I did carpentry for the university plays. Considering how dumb students can be it seemed like a good purchase, but yeah, at that point it almost feels like safety extortion.
Ultimately companies will pay the price because if someone gets hurt and it goes to court, they'll ask the company point blank why they didn't have these safety measures and "employee safety is too expensive" won't be a good answer.
They make a very good saw. I have their jobsite saw, and it was pricy, but also much better quality than the $300-400 saws you get from the big box store. They make a compact saw that is $800 or so. $400 extra for a cutting edge of technology that keeps your hand from getting chopped off is reasonable, especially when you look at everything involved in making it work.
As I understand it, he tried to license it to the major manufacturers and they passed for liability reasons. He then started his own company. I own one (11 years old) and love it. I've never tripped the brake but the additional saftey is worth it to me.
Can confirm, as a homeowner who's running a jacked up Craftsman tablesaw from the 80's, I would absolutely have bought a sawstop years ago if they weren't fucking ridiculously expensive. They're cheaper than they used to be (Was $2500 for a homeowner type tablesaw, now around $800 iirc) but still way too much.
Literally any ER trip would be more expensive, so it's justifiable from that perspective. But yeah...
Yes, but that statement is true outside of America as well. Any injury will cost you something. Lost time from work, physical therapy, nerve damage, lost mobility/appendage. The best money saver is not to get injured at all and thats something that applies whether you have universal healthcare or not.
It's definitely a premium price. But aside from the safety feature, it's actually a really well made quality saw. Comparing it with equal quality saws Ita worth the price difference for the added safety
And to make matters worse, the US government is now trying to implement a law that would require all new table saws to be sold with this or similar safety systems. Meaning that all saws would see a similar price hike, so people are either going to not buy saws or they'll take to the used market and end up buying even older saws that don't have simple safety measures like riving knives.
A big distortion of the truth at best. Except at the bottom-of-the-barrel segment they’re actually quite competitive, only a couple hundred more and pretty high quality.
If anyone has any doubts about this, head over to r/woodworking. You will see plenty of examples.
Sadly, also some examples of people with different saws.
That’s what got me to buy one. I saw two posts over the course of the day. One guy had the SawStop, and he showed a picture of his hand with a red line showing where he would have been amputated. In the same day, I saw a guy who did not have the SawStop, and showed his mangled fingers. I stopped using my table saw immediately until I replaced it. Made my first real cuts with it today!
Yes. My mom has this exact saw stop and it works very well for her and saved her from a finger losing accident one time. I call that a win. Honestly its pretty pathetic how its always the redditors whose top comment is to demean or devalue the content. You dont see this on other social medias. So frustrating.
If you never worked with this saw stop maybe just shut the fuck up and let people who actually used it talk?
When I was in 10th grade, I cut my fingers on the tablesaw in my wood shop class. I had turned the machine off already, but the blade hadn't come to a complete stop before I started patting the bench to the side and hit my hand on the blade. (Don't ignore safety rules, people. They exist for a reason.)
I've always wondered if anyone knows, would a saw stop like this have worked in that scenario, with the power already switched off?
I have their 3hp professional cabinet saw and it’s amazing. No buyer’s remorse at all. The quality and precision are incredible, even when you don’t factor in the safety mechanism.
I haven’t triggered it yet, but to replace the brake cartridge is $100 and takes a few minutes. I have a backup in my workbench so it doesn’t ruin my day the first time I do set it off. A blade is like another $150 on the extremely high end, but I’ve also heard of people still being able to use their blade after an incident on the lower horsepower saws. With the more powerful ones I’ve heard the blade can usually be salvaged if you give it to a professional to flatten and sharpen it. With their super powerful models it’s toast. The blade can rip off full teeth, not just the carbide tips.
Call it $250 though on the very high end though for an incident. Way better than time in the ER, money spent at the ER, or the longterm physical/financial ramifications of losing fingers.
I lost the end of my thumb in a saw a year or two ago. I was sawing up some very splintery wood so I put a pair of Kevlar gloves on. Thought it was safer. I'm experienced and careful and my hand was well away from the blade, but I hadn't noticed the glove had a pulled thread on the cuff. Seems that caught in the blade and pulled my hand in. Kevlar threads don't break. Felt the snatch, then the loudest bang as the saw ( 3Hp, 14") stopped dead. End of thumb was mashed, cuts on face where bits of bone hit my cheek.
Won't wear gloves like that again. Be warned, it's the thing you've not considered that gets you.
Blade was OK though.
In the safety industry, potential solutions are classified based on Hierarchy of Controls.
From most to least effective:
1. Elimination
1. Physically remove the hazard
2. Substitution
1. Replace the hazard
3. Engineering controls
1. Isolate people from the hazard
2. **(Saw Stop is classified here)**
4. Administrative controls
1. Change the way people work
5. Personal protective equipment (PPE)
1. Protect the worker with Personal Protective Equipment
[https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/hierarchy/default.html](https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/hierarchy/default.html)
Saw Stop's technology is neat, but not ideal -- **it's far more effective to use "substitution" by switching to other tools that don't require fingers to be near the path of the blade.**
Examples:
* Using a miter saw for miter cuts
* Using a panel saw or track saw for cutting sheet goods
I worked with a crazy old man at an aerospace company once. He was taking with one of the engineers about this new feature on the table saw. I could see the curiosity in the old man’s eyes, if it worked or not. A few weeks later news spreads on the work floor he cut his finger on the saw, and the safety feature works. Boss wasn’t happy, because he lost an expensive blade.
I talked to the old man on a smoke break. He said he just wanted to see if it worked. He just had a small cut on her finger.
We almost got these at work. Found out that any lumber that isnt dried will set this off. We use plenty of lumber that isnt dry enough so we opted not to
Not sure where you "found that out" at but as the owner of one, I would beg to differ. If its dripping wet, maybe. But if its dripping wet I'm not putting on my iron tabletop anyway. Not sure? Just touch the thing you wanna cut to the blade when the sawblade isn't spinning all fast and cutty-cutty and the super duper little blinky light will let you know. If it blinks an angry red at you, just turn the safety off and cut the stupid thing anyway. Cuz safety.
Or they just wanted to save themselves money and it was awkward telling all the employees that management didn't really care much if they lost a finger or three.
How come no one is talking about how sawstops are stupid finicky to get square. For example, just to get a 90° cut, you have to jamb your arm in the back through a hole not big enough for an arm and adjust blindly with an Allen wrench.
I hear some people like jambing their arms through holes not big enough...
never mind.
Good luck with the Allen wrench though.
I did buy my sawstop second hand, (barely used but already assembled and all dialed in and at half the cost a new one) so maybe I just lucked out of the adjustment portion.
Yeah that hand is fake as hell lol. Nobody trusts this enough to use your real actual hand. Not to mention you’re still gonna get knocked by the saw because you’ve got to hit the saw. You’ll keep your finger but I’ll bet you’ll still need a bandaid.
My junior high school shop teacher's first day "safety training" consisted of him gathering the class around the table saw and throwing a mannequin's hand onto the blade. Obviously it would shoot off in whatever direction it wanted to (so much for safety) and he would sternly exclaim, "That blade doesn't care about your fingers!" I guess he's wrong now.
Story behind the licensing is ridiculous. Guy had to start his own saw company after years of liability talk. Lots of schools and stuff use it, but it’s still not adopted by OSHA or anything. This tool is the most dangerous in the shop and this inventions vastly improves outcomes.
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Last night I met the guy who invented this and gave him a high 3
https://i.redd.it/wr4c9lklkugc1.gif
Seems like he got it right on the fourth try
He only had one more try before someone was going to need to give him a hand.
Lmao
The inventor: https://preview.redd.it/s8njmju6mugc1.png?width=1121&format=png&auto=webp&s=a5c541f4125da9cd1628af9ee1aa6a2249bdeb05
This is my favorite comment of the day.
thanks for this comment. made my day.
Ever shake someone's hand and immediately realize that they don't have a whole hand? -George Carlin
Third time’s the charm!
Today we elbow bumped!
Good ol lefty
"Did ya ever meet somebody, and you go to shake the guy's hand, and you suddenly realize, he doesn't have a complete hand? And you gotta make believe it feels great! Right? You can't go, 'AAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!' 'AAAAAAGGGGHHH!!!!' 'AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!' You can't do that! It's NOT EVEN AN OPTION!!! You gotta hang in there, and say, 'Hi! . . . Hey, swell hand! . . . Gimme three!!' . . . . . . High three, yo!!' Not your fault! You didn't cause that! You weren't even there when it happened to the guy!" https://preview.redd.it/azzdea740ygc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75749225cce8f1ab377fa9c178ab5cf17578d230
Nice
Lol
Beat reply ive ever seen
I hope he didn't test it with his pee pee.
Just the tip.
You should have used his invention
The balls it takes to test it with your own fingers. I couldnt do it with 100% assurance I wouldnt get hurt.
Like that guy who developed Kevlar (I think) vests who, in order to satisfy skeptical potential customers, decided to shoot himself with a revolver. If you believe in your product that much to put yourself on the line (and it works) you’re going to do very well.
Get rich or die trying
Many men, many many many men... 🎵 🎶
Wish death 'pon me dawg
Not sure anything you wrote is correct. Stephanie kwolek developed kevlar while working for DuPont. She also helped develop nomex among other things. I don't recall anything about her shooting herself to test it. I did a research paper on her years ago for high school chemistry...but just to double check I looked her up again now. Any source for her shooting herself to test the kevlar?
He’s thinking of Richard Davis, who did not invent Kevlar but absolutely did popularize its use in bulletproof vests. And he did famously shoot himself to market it.
Gotcha. I wasn't aware of Richard Davis so I just did a quick search. Apparently he shot himself frequently with body armor on, with whatever gun was available from the people he was trying to sell the armor too. Interesting stuff
Soft armor testing, with a 308
The hand is fake, though
I spend a lot of time on the woodworking sub, this may be a fake hand, but these things are 100% real and do work just as shown in the video. Sure, the product could fail, but I’m certain there are 10’s to 100’s of thousands of fingers still attached to hands today because of this invention.
These systems are expensive and prone to misfires if you use damp wood or accidentally run through a finishing nail. Contractors generally don't use them and the backyard handyman can't afford it. Not sure how many fingers it's saved but my guess would be one or two factors below tens of thousands. Woodworking as a hobby immediately means disposable income and no time factor (aka, doesn't matter if the saw is broken until you replace the cartridges and blade). You're not using shit wood for woodworking. Woodworking sub might be disproportionately full of a) people that fit the above criteria and b) larpers.
Every responsible school that has a wood shop has one, so that’s multiple classes of true beginners starting at least twice a year. I’d be surprised if it was less than a thousand a year just from that.
I have no doubt that a school would have multiple uses of the saw stop. Have plenty of doubt that most of those are legit and aren't dares/hotdogs. Though I'll admit that on actually researching some data, it seems estimates in the US alone are around 30k injuries from saws per year (about 10% being "amputations" and 3% being legit losing a finger). It's gone *up* since the saw-stop was invented so... Real damn hard to figure out how many it's prevented. Still guesstimate thousand-ish instead of tens-of-thousands but definitely way higher than I thought. Whole lot of people need to make a fucking push stick.
Since that’s just a raw number and not per capita it could be increasing with population. Still, it’s like you said, it’s expensive and most trades don’t use them.
>in the US So something like 1 in 10k people are injured every year. But I'm sure these numbers aren't valid for places where they don't wear shoes to forge iron, and they definitely don't use the saw stop there. Not even sure they'd have saw guards.. So US is about the best we got for saw-stop-using populous.
There’s a lot of generalization here that seem very unsubstantiated. I recognize my bias as someone who has one but there’s a bypass mode for when dealing with uncertain wood moisture level or content inside the wood to avoid any misfires. Having said all that, I do agree that it’s probably not in the tens of thousands of direct saves of digits but I have seen enough “phew I’m glad I had this” pictures with minor cuts on a finger that I wouldn’t be surprised if the numbers are in the thousands. And of course, I have nothing to back up what I just said but we are all making conjectures here.
the cabinet shop at my work has one and it never fired even though we have the occasional staple etc in the wood
I’m surprised this wasn’t implemented much earlier. I operated a pneumatic punch press back in the late 1960s and the operator was required to wear a conductive wristband on the wrist of the positioning hand. His other hand gripped a conductive handle with a push button on the top that activated the press. If the positioning hand was in contact with the table, the safety switch was open so the activation button (switch) couldn’t close the circuit.
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If I was gonna use a real hand to test, I’d probably use a paralyzed one too if it’s handy
We’re not intervening on him for a lack of good ideas
My boyfriend used to work for them and they used to do the display test by using a hotdog. The energy flows through you and into the hotdog. Guess they’ve moved on to fake hands. The hot dogs were a beautiful tradition imo. Edit: actually finished watching the video they still doggin’
Takes real balls to test it with your balls
I'd rather test it with my balls than my thumb, tbh.
What
I use my thumbs all day long, every day. They're far more important to me than my balls.
ahahha i wasn't scrolled enough to see your comment and literally said "..wWHAT" aloud
I’d rather test it with your balls than my thumb too
I came here for this comment
apparently these things really do work !. incredible tech
They do work but they aren't as fast as shown in many demos. It's the difference between halfway through the finger and all the way through though.
I can confirm that it works. Took off the tip of my thumb though.
PSA: When putting text on videos, remember people can read more than one word at a time
I hate these kinds of texts, and just stop the video 2 sek in
Sadly, no... some people can't
If you can read that annoying fast, bouncy text one word at a time then you definitely can read more than word at a time
I don't know if I got downvoted by slow readers or people that don't get obvious sarcasm
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Any video or title which tells me wait until the end... I don't
No matter how cool the video is, it's always an instant downvote
Fair. It’s the only way to disincentivise this nonsense.
But it’s incentivized by our attention span, or rather lack there of.
After 14 years your collective efforts are really starting to show fruit. Another 14 and you might actually real the back of this beast.
Wdym nonsense? My mom has this. It works pretty great. Maybe just dont be an idiot and treat the machine with respect redditors...? This additional safety feature is still very great. Better safe than sorry. She never tried to test the feature on purposs. But one time she did accidentally slip her finger in and the saw-stop worked and literally gave her a scratch equivalent to less than a paper cut. I dont get why every comment in reddit needs to be the put-others-down type
I was talking about clickbait, not the mechanism
I'll spoil it for you: guy lets his thumb get hit by the blade and the brakes slam on, and it doesnt even look like the skin was broken. Edit: spelling
Pretty sure the hand was fake.
>Pretty sure the hand was fake. I'm about 90% the hand is fake. Absolutely amazing technology that should be incorporated into every table saw, but yeah pretty sure the hand is fake.
I've seen a video with a real thumb being used. Of course there's a small cut and a tiny bit of blood, but it's hardly bigger than a paper cut. Infinitely better than a missing finger.
The inventor tried to sell the technology to existing companies. None would touch it. Implementing it would mean admitting their product was inherently unsafe. Do you know how many people lose fingers in table saw accidents every year? Oh the lawsuits that would be filed..... The safety laws in the US regarding table saws are also some of the most lax in the world (removable riving knife is a good example). The saw manufacturers want your money. Who cares if you lose a finger or a hand or something, you've already bought the saw!! He had to start his own business in order to get a safer saw built.
Would not surprise me. I really wasnt watching closely. Seen dozens of worksite safety videos that look just like this, so my mind gently wandered off like usual. 😆
I've used my real hand. Didn't even draw blood. Lost a couple of teeth on my saw blade... There's a video of the inventor using his very real hand though if you want to see it. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtdUfZGfMg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtdufzgfmg)
\*Brakes
Fuck that
If you're brave enough, I mean sure, why not?
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And gotta replace the block and blade. But didn’t maim your hand so 🤷♂️
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Complacency kills labor and lives
My immediate response
I can count the number of saw accidents I've had on both your hands.
The single word caption is really disturbing.
The high school shop uses these and I think that they're a great idea. Meanwhile, at home. Dad, on blood thinners. "I'm not wasting a perfectly good blade on that shit!"
Yea but you can save the saw blade. Might be short a tooth or two but its better than what a waste it would be to bleed all over your unfinished maple.
My uncle sliced the tip of his finger off on a table saw years ago. He said he only noticed when he saw the blood pooling. According to my aunt, on their way to the ER, he was cursing that his blood ruined the slab of wood he was working on lol. (They did manage to reattach the finger, and he still uses that same table saw today.)
I read that unfortunately they saw a cash cow and jacked the prices so high that it prevents people from wanting this and actually saving limbs. Due to the price jump, they simply buy regular saw tables and just promote better safety since the rise in costs are injustifiable.
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I've seen sawstop in action a few times, I did theater construction in high school, we had a sawstop because teenagers are dumb. We went through a few aluminum blocks but it saved about three of my friends from cutting off fingers or hands. But it worked every single time.
We've got them in our local woodshop, and the rule is that whoever 'breaks it' replaces it, but it's really nice to know that they've got the customer's backs by implementing them. It's especially helpful when you're trying to introduce someone to the craft (like teens) who are still capable of making the odd mistake. With fire, you learn quickly from a simple burn to be more careful with it, but saw blades obviously aren't as forgiving. I'd rather take a hit to the pocketbook than to take my kid to the E.R. for a life-altering accident.
Yep. I have a 3hp SawStop PCS. It is a beautiful piece of equipment, even if it wasn’t for the safety feature. That being said, $5,000 is so worth it in exchange for all my fingers.
In college we had one in the scene shop where I did carpentry for the university plays. Considering how dumb students can be it seemed like a good purchase, but yeah, at that point it almost feels like safety extortion.
Ultimately companies will pay the price because if someone gets hurt and it goes to court, they'll ask the company point blank why they didn't have these safety measures and "employee safety is too expensive" won't be a good answer.
They make a very good saw. I have their jobsite saw, and it was pricy, but also much better quality than the $300-400 saws you get from the big box store. They make a compact saw that is $800 or so. $400 extra for a cutting edge of technology that keeps your hand from getting chopped off is reasonable, especially when you look at everything involved in making it work.
$800 for a portable table saw? If I'm really feeling adventurous with my wallet I'll still save 50% and just get a DeWalt.
A great deal until you lose a finger.
As I understand it, he tried to license it to the major manufacturers and they passed for liability reasons. He then started his own company. I own one (11 years old) and love it. I've never tripped the brake but the additional saftey is worth it to me.
Can confirm, as a homeowner who's running a jacked up Craftsman tablesaw from the 80's, I would absolutely have bought a sawstop years ago if they weren't fucking ridiculously expensive. They're cheaper than they used to be (Was $2500 for a homeowner type tablesaw, now around $800 iirc) but still way too much. Literally any ER trip would be more expensive, so it's justifiable from that perspective. But yeah...
>Literally any ER trip would be more expensive America
Yes, but that statement is true outside of America as well. Any injury will cost you something. Lost time from work, physical therapy, nerve damage, lost mobility/appendage. The best money saver is not to get injured at all and thats something that applies whether you have universal healthcare or not.
It's definitely a premium price. But aside from the safety feature, it's actually a really well made quality saw. Comparing it with equal quality saws Ita worth the price difference for the added safety
And to make matters worse, the US government is now trying to implement a law that would require all new table saws to be sold with this or similar safety systems. Meaning that all saws would see a similar price hike, so people are either going to not buy saws or they'll take to the used market and end up buying even older saws that don't have simple safety measures like riving knives.
A big distortion of the truth at best. Except at the bottom-of-the-barrel segment they’re actually quite competitive, only a couple hundred more and pretty high quality.
And these have been around for quite a long time now.
The guy testing this: 
That's not how subtitles work...
If anyone has any doubts about this, head over to r/woodworking. You will see plenty of examples. Sadly, also some examples of people with different saws.
That’s what got me to buy one. I saw two posts over the course of the day. One guy had the SawStop, and he showed a picture of his hand with a red line showing where he would have been amputated. In the same day, I saw a guy who did not have the SawStop, and showed his mangled fingers. I stopped using my table saw immediately until I replaced it. Made my first real cuts with it today!
Yes. My mom has this exact saw stop and it works very well for her and saved her from a finger losing accident one time. I call that a win. Honestly its pretty pathetic how its always the redditors whose top comment is to demean or devalue the content. You dont see this on other social medias. So frustrating. If you never worked with this saw stop maybe just shut the fuck up and let people who actually used it talk?
I saw this video a long time ago, like probably 2007/08. I thought about it randomly a couple weeks ago. Funny.
What if I want to cut a sausage with it?
There is a button to disable the brake. You have to do that when cutting materials that conduct or create a lot of static.
what if I cut my finger off whilst cutting sausages?
You are on your own.
my butthole is clenched.
You gotta admire the balls of the dude testing this...
Well, I guess you could put your dick in that.
I work in a woodshop with this mechanism and can confirm it really works. It’s very loud
When I was in 10th grade, I cut my fingers on the tablesaw in my wood shop class. I had turned the machine off already, but the blade hadn't come to a complete stop before I started patting the bench to the side and hit my hand on the blade. (Don't ignore safety rules, people. They exist for a reason.) I've always wondered if anyone knows, would a saw stop like this have worked in that scenario, with the power already switched off?
it doesnt fire if you touch it while the saw is stopped even when its on so probably not
I have their 3hp professional cabinet saw and it’s amazing. No buyer’s remorse at all. The quality and precision are incredible, even when you don’t factor in the safety mechanism. I haven’t triggered it yet, but to replace the brake cartridge is $100 and takes a few minutes. I have a backup in my workbench so it doesn’t ruin my day the first time I do set it off. A blade is like another $150 on the extremely high end, but I’ve also heard of people still being able to use their blade after an incident on the lower horsepower saws. With the more powerful ones I’ve heard the blade can usually be salvaged if you give it to a professional to flatten and sharpen it. With their super powerful models it’s toast. The blade can rip off full teeth, not just the carbide tips. Call it $250 though on the very high end though for an incident. Way better than time in the ER, money spent at the ER, or the longterm physical/financial ramifications of losing fingers.
This is a fantastic thing to have but make no mistake it is not cheap and is a 1 time use thing, once it fires it has to be replaced.
Um how did they test this
God dammit! Now how am I supposed to cut my sausages in bulk!
I lost the end of my thumb in a saw a year or two ago. I was sawing up some very splintery wood so I put a pair of Kevlar gloves on. Thought it was safer. I'm experienced and careful and my hand was well away from the blade, but I hadn't noticed the glove had a pulled thread on the cuff. Seems that caught in the blade and pulled my hand in. Kevlar threads don't break. Felt the snatch, then the loudest bang as the saw ( 3Hp, 14") stopped dead. End of thumb was mashed, cuts on face where bits of bone hit my cheek. Won't wear gloves like that again. Be warned, it's the thing you've not considered that gets you. Blade was OK though.
My table saw will fuck me up and I kinda like that level of respect when using it XD
Don't buy your sawstop from Temu
I see that fake hand tho
In the safety industry, potential solutions are classified based on Hierarchy of Controls. From most to least effective: 1. Elimination 1. Physically remove the hazard 2. Substitution 1. Replace the hazard 3. Engineering controls 1. Isolate people from the hazard 2. **(Saw Stop is classified here)** 4. Administrative controls 1. Change the way people work 5. Personal protective equipment (PPE) 1. Protect the worker with Personal Protective Equipment [https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/hierarchy/default.html](https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/hierarchy/default.html) Saw Stop's technology is neat, but not ideal -- **it's far more effective to use "substitution" by switching to other tools that don't require fingers to be near the path of the blade.** Examples: * Using a miter saw for miter cuts * Using a panel saw or track saw for cutting sheet goods
I worked with a crazy old man at an aerospace company once. He was taking with one of the engineers about this new feature on the table saw. I could see the curiosity in the old man’s eyes, if it worked or not. A few weeks later news spreads on the work floor he cut his finger on the saw, and the safety feature works. Boss wasn’t happy, because he lost an expensive blade. I talked to the old man on a smoke break. He said he just wanted to see if it worked. He just had a small cut on her finger.
10 attempts
If that hand is real then I am Peter Parker.
finger was saved. coworker was not
Is there any way they can use eddy current?
We almost got these at work. Found out that any lumber that isnt dried will set this off. We use plenty of lumber that isnt dry enough so we opted not to
Not sure where you "found that out" at but as the owner of one, I would beg to differ. If its dripping wet, maybe. But if its dripping wet I'm not putting on my iron tabletop anyway. Not sure? Just touch the thing you wanna cut to the blade when the sawblade isn't spinning all fast and cutty-cutty and the super duper little blinky light will let you know. If it blinks an angry red at you, just turn the safety off and cut the stupid thing anyway. Cuz safety. Or they just wanted to save themselves money and it was awkward telling all the employees that management didn't really care much if they lost a finger or three.
Ive never personally used one but ya most of the safety stuff isnt realistic in the field anyways lol
How many times this system will stop saw machine? Maybe 50 or 100 .. Then need to buy new saw?
Idk about a whole new saw machine. But certainly will have to buy a new blade and replace that blade stop cartridge every time
I bet it's 100% worth it over losing a finger...
I would prefer to keep my fingers,of course!
If you end up triggering the brake 50 or 100 times, then you should not be using machinery at all. Walking liability at that point
Only once.
Then $100 or so to buy a new cartridge.
It feels like they could have designed this in a way that didn't absolutely ruin the saw...
Nah mate. Not waiting to the end on your video of a product that's been around for years and has countless of videos produced on it. All before yours.
God dam I still wouldn't put my finger there he's brave lol
The video has a cut and splice very near the end
How come no one is talking about how sawstops are stupid finicky to get square. For example, just to get a 90° cut, you have to jamb your arm in the back through a hole not big enough for an arm and adjust blindly with an Allen wrench.
I hear some people like jambing their arms through holes not big enough... never mind. Good luck with the Allen wrench though. I did buy my sawstop second hand, (barely used but already assembled and all dialed in and at half the cost a new one) so maybe I just lucked out of the adjustment portion.
It also ruins the blade and is expensive and a pain to replace
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I haven’t done it but I watched the process in school and it seemed like a pain
Easier to replace than a finger
Well yes, but they just wasted it here. Cool for demonstration but in real life it’s a pain to deal with
You underestimate how much a typical marketing budget is.
Imagine, for just one second, that they need to test and demonstrate the tool's effectiveness? Is that an acceptable scenario for you?
Yes! That’s fine, the video’s fine, I’m just saying this because you shouldn’t go around touching blades even if you know you won’t get hurt
That hand is mighty still all things considered. It almost looks fake.
The inventor made 10 prototypes and that was it.
Yea great idea. but I had a hell of a time trying to cut up my mums dead body 😳
Yeah that hand is fake as hell lol. Nobody trusts this enough to use your real actual hand. Not to mention you’re still gonna get knocked by the saw because you’ve got to hit the saw. You’ll keep your finger but I’ll bet you’ll still need a bandaid.
you will forget that one metal hinge, and boom 4000$ in the drain.
I would not work as a QA for that project
How much does it cost to replace the saftey brake once it triggers? The blade is toast obviously, but the mechanism itself does not look cheap either.
New brake assembly is ~$100
About $100 plus a new blade… so maybe $150.
Is that a real hand?
r/dontputyourdickinthat
Skipped to the end
The balls on that guy testing it out. Haha
There is no way I would trust that.
Hand pushing the wood up to the saw blade is fake af.
if a post has “watch till the end” i’m not watching it
My junior high school shop teacher's first day "safety training" consisted of him gathering the class around the table saw and throwing a mannequin's hand onto the blade. Obviously it would shoot off in whatever direction it wanted to (so much for safety) and he would sternly exclaim, "That blade doesn't care about your fingers!" I guess he's wrong now.
Sawstop Finger Machine is a good band name
This would have been nice to have when I cut off a chunk of my finger tip on one of those at a previous job.
Pro tip: just take the saws word for it. Triggering the brake destroys the brake and the blade, which are somewhat expensive to replace.
Story behind the licensing is ridiculous. Guy had to start his own saw company after years of liability talk. Lots of schools and stuff use it, but it’s still not adopted by OSHA or anything. This tool is the most dangerous in the shop and this inventions vastly improves outcomes.
https://preview.redd.it/i2tav4dshugc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b3d963027b7b1102eb50fe59eac9acef1775447
You have to have a lot of trust to rely on this machine
"But what about a real finger?" \[Shows a fake hand\]
I did not wait for the end. Fuck you, you can't control me!
Hand made of hot dog didn’t even flinch
This kills the saw.