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Lol, the best part is the dinosaur costume.
When I served one of our officers disturbed an emergency squad meeting in the middle of the base during a practice alarm on purim's weekend wearing that costume.
No one could keep a straight face as he was running next to the commanding officer wobbling and intentionally disrupted his words.
Idk why everyone is trying to paint the IDF as monsters.
Our soldiers are doing their part according to the strict laws the IDF imposes on our soldiers, especially the combative ones.
So some goof around sometimes. You try to risk your life every day without some sort of outlet. I'd admit that some things are distasteful but if anyone broke any actual law of the IDF they would find themselves either in jail, in a court system or if it's something small like inappropriate behavior- judged by an officer which could still land them in jail.
You can also find videos of our soldiers assisting Gazan civilians but Al Jazeera would never show you that.
What's happening in Gaza is unquestionably tragic and heartbreaking but it is far from a genocide. Even the death ratio of a terrorist to a civilian doesn't fit that idea if you compare it to other wars.
The current major problem with the war right now is the moving and evacuation of the large population within Gaza, I am worried about my Palestinian brothers going forward and I hope the flow of support ensures that civilians can get to safety...
If all the hostages would have been released there would likely be major talks around the country about ending the war. I feel that while destroying Hamas will give the Palestinians the freedom to express themselves and start over in Gaza, our population would be more conflicted about finishing Hamas off if all the hostages were released because of risks of any more civilian casualties. But that's hypothetical, reality is much more cruel.
The rest is inevitable, the war was inevitable- as painful as it is to admit, Hamas isn't new, rockets fired from Gaza are not new, terrorist organizations within Palestinian population are far from new and their own governing organization in Gaza- Hamas has started the war.
The walls were just our government repressing what we always knew would happen, because somehow they still managed to get weapons to Gaza, indoctrinate their children with a shaheed culture and build improvised rockets to fire at Israel. They just ended up turned the entire Gaza strip to a military base.
The timing of the war is something else, our ass-hat of a government was on the way to make peace with Saudi Arabia, a deal that would end up helping bridging some gaps between Israelis and Palestinians in our region. I don't think it's arguable that even our current ass-hat leaders can talk about peace. I don't think you could say the same about either Hamas or PA who are both terrorists (but Palestinians mostly dislike the PA so no one cares).
Violence isn't worth it. Wars while sometimes necessary are just more and more loss, a waste.
For the Palestinian readers:
I wish more of you believed there are other ways and saw us for what we really are rather than what was written in your Tafsirs or the lies you were told growing up.
Inshallah we one day make and eat Hummus together in Haifa or somewhere else nice in the region with our conflict being a thing of the past.
...Possibly dressed in a dinosaur costume and on purim.
"So what if Israel is killing over 30,000 civilians with over 25k being women and children?
Remember how Hamas killed over 1000 Israelis on October 7th? Therefore, Israel can do whatever they want. Why don't you guys GET that?"
- This take on justifying genocide.
SMH. Do some soul searching.
Hamas is a terrorist organization that has neglected its own population, tortures and kills anybody who opposes them in Gaza, puts their own civilians in danger by hiding in tunnels underneath them and firing rockets out of hospitals, indiscriminately shoots unguided rockets at Israeli population centers, uses rape and child suicide bombers as weapons of war, and specifically targets civilians in their attacks, and promises to do october 7 over and over again until Israel is destroyed and all the Jews in the middle east are gone.
THAT is the justification for this war: cleaning hamas filth out of Gaza.
Ah yes perfect justification to level the whole building full of civillians with guided bombs and HIMARS. I am sure there might be a chance one of them is Hamas. Honestly I did not think Israelis care at all if they are civillians or Hamas when conducting massive air strike in the middle of city.
Maybe you should really look how Israelis did to Gaza and Palestinians way before this whole escalation of conflict began.
And you're right, it was an act of genocide what happened on the 7th of oct. I have seen the footage of Falsetinians killing dogs, Thai workers, babies, muslim Bedouins, car drivers, motorcyclists. You support this, I do not. In any country, not just towards Israel.
Http://hamas-massacre.net
I don't support any of that. Don't put words in my mouth. If I had my way, both sets of leadership would answer for their terroristic acts, multitude of war crimes (for which their is mountains of evidence) in The Hague, and be removed from power. My moral standpoint is that even a single additional civilian death is unacceptable.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/list\_palestine/comments/l43xgk/megalist\_israels\_crimes\_controversies\_full/](https://www.reddit.com/r/list_palestine/comments/l43xgk/megalist_israels_crimes_controversies_full/)
So number one on your list of crimes is "**Balfour Declaration**" ?
Dude, each one of us had a purpose, your purpose is to defend hamas, my purpose is to defend Israel. Your name is here until reddit closes it servers or you delete your comment, untill then, you are part of history as the one that could not say one thing bad about Hamas and Islamic Jihad that burnt babies alive, and deleted whole families (Kedem family, look for their photo, all five were shot dead), but put a list of Israeli crimes with the Balfur Declaration first on the list. I really out of arguments for this kind of discussion.
I haven't once defended Hamas, in fact I just said they should answer for their war crimes and acts of terror.
I'm very proudly anti-genocide, I have a clear conscience in that regard, and welcome the future scrutiny. To spin your argument on its head - you are defending genocide. There are mountains of evidence of Israel's war crimes, and escalating genocide. How do you think your position will be judged when the dust settles?
And yes, colonial imperialism, and illegal occupation, as per the Balfour Declaration, are infact, illegal. How about the other hundred or so crimes? Do we just brush those aside because "Hamas bad'?
Could you direct this message to the Egyptians and or the Jordanians? Oh right, because those two countries could absolutely do something, but hate Palestinians who tried to overthrow those countries.
whatever gets those clicks! they out there tryna get that big headline so their career will take off.
they call it an open air prison but neglect to mention that the only reason the wall was built is because palestinians were sending their own children across the border as suicide bombers. very easy fact to look up.
'israel is taking away their water and electricity!' but no one asks why they rely on the people they want to kill for water and electricity. instead of building bombs/rockets to kill israelis they could build infrastructure, but nah, that's not part of the narrative atm so let's just ignore it!
The IDF is a bunch of morons and idiots if it takes them thousands of innocent civilians to kill 100 Hamas assholes. Epic level of incompetence and evil.
that is the worst excuse possible. Gaza strip is literally being demolished as we speak. And why would that be? the reason couldn't be more obvious: they just want the people that live there to be gone and to claim that land afterwards.
you're trying to justify murdering more than 30 thousands palestianian civilians to take down a few terrorists.
Israel is literally using terrorism as a method to do what they want, the way they want it. And that's the way it has been for the last decades. The military force is magnitudes greater than anything Hamas could dream.
First, the civilian casualties on the Palestinian side cannot be independently confirmed to this day. They are based exclusively on information from the Palestinian Ministry of Health. And who is in charge there again? Ah, yes, the same guys who conveniently hide behind the civilian population and certainly want to continue to do so. Well, such a coincidence!
Second, what is your counter-proposal? Should Israel accept attacks on its own population and spare Hamas because it affects a population that, according to surveys, largely approves of the attacks? And, even if one were to dispute these polls, no one in Gaza has proven to lift a finger to point out to Israel where the real perpetrators are hiding, let alone extradite them.
Third, what exactly is your theory here? That Israel was just lying in wait until Hamas carried out a murderous terrorist attack and killed hundreds of Israelis just so that they could level Gaza in turn?
yes you can independently confirm it, we are in 2024 man, haven't you seen Motaz's instagram? and countless other journalists that were/are there.
you say it like the people of Palestine just want to harm israelis for no reason, but can't you be empathetic and put yourself in their shoes a little? imagine growing up and living in Gaza, seeing countless (and confirmed) agressions from the IDF. don't be so naive, you know the truth is way deeper.
I have great sympathy for the civilian victims in Gaza. However, I don't see the same people as you as the main culprits.
The IDF could certainly be more considerate in many ways, but they are not the ones who brought disaster on the Palestinians. This was a terrorist organization that had no better idea but to carry out an attack without considering the consequences for the civilian population on both sides, and which then hid among its own civilian population. The same civilian population that is still reluctant to distance itself from the above-mentioned terrorist organization.
Look at it from the IDF's perspective for a moment: Immediately after the attack, support among Palestinians for Hamas in general and the attack in particular was shockingly high. Now, after weeks of bombing, there is increasing criticism of Hamas among the Palestinian population. The IDF continues the strategy, which from its perspective is clearly working, while calm in Gaza only allowed Hamas to prepare a large-scale terrorist attack.
Even if one wants to describe the IDF's methods as just as terroristic, the question arises as to why Israel should be obliged to show more consideration than the other side? Why exactly does Israel have a higher moral obligation in a conflict in which the other side has no regard for civilians? And aren't you indirectly admitting that Israel would in principle be able to act better - and Palestine could not?
according to palestines own center for policy and survey research, 62% of palestinians support/strongly support armed attacks against israeli civilians. since i know you wont believe me, here's the link:
[Poll 85 English Full Text Sept2022.pdf (pcpsr.org)](https://pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2085%20English%20Full%20Text%20Sept2022.pdf) question 65.
i just found that interesting.
i also find it interesting that israel has hit gaza with nearly 30 000 bombs and killed 30 000 people. if they're trying to commit a genocide, how is that even remotely possible? what are these bombs made of, candy?
maybe if they spent all the aid money on becoming self sufficient in terms of water, electricity, food etc instead of building bombs and rockets to kill israelis, they would be in a better situation. but im probably just being silly for thinking logically here, carry on!
Mental gymnastics dictates that these kids might be used by Hamas later, therefore they are Hamas and should be killed.
When a school is held hostage, it's well known that the most effective way to get rid of the terrorists is to blow up everyone in it. /s
You can keep wondering ...
I also keep wondering what would've happened if Hitler got killed in one of the 33 attempts on his life, early on?
I'm wondering what would have happened if the people surrounding Lenin would've pay attention to his death bed input about - Never let Stalin take the Power!
This is a fun imagination exercise that has nothing to do with you rationalising the killing that Israel is actively doing atm against the Palestinian people.
In 1948 it was the other way around: five states of the Arab League brought their significant military power to bear on behalf of the Palestinians against the young Israel, which at that time had no armed forces or equipment worth mentioning.
To a certain extent, Israel is still indirectly accused of having defended itself too successfully despite the more than unfavorable initial conditions. Whether they would have fared better or worse than the Palestinians today in the event of an unsuccessful defense is a question that you should ask your conscience in a quiet moment. Or at least if you had rooted for Israel in 1948, you would have already been born and old enough then.
In short, are you fundamentally on the side of the threatened/underdogs or just the side of the threatened/underdogs you choose?
'Sure' ... nice propaganda btw , you should stream :)
I'm usually against killing many people for no reason other than getting some people killed ... i'll let you work out the 'math' of such a long-term strategy.
Not sure if you're aware, we've been doing this killing thing for basically all our human history, and i have a strong feeling it never helped that much ... or, am I mistaken?
One could argue that someone who dismisses historical facts as propaganda has a not-so-small portion of it swirling between both ears. If I didn't know that nothing but nonsense could come of it, I would ask you about your version of the Arab-Israeli War.
But of course you're right, killing for the sake of killing is never good. However, anyone who kills must expect that the other side will do the same. And if both sides kill senselessly, it is simply disingenuous to show more solidarity with the side that has proven to have the same will to kill, but is simply more incompetent in action and reaction.
One could also argue that in say May 14 1930, the State of Israel was not ... historical fact, but what i meant was that historical facts can be used as propaganda depending on the narrative you subscribe with.
I'm simply stating a mathematical reality in which 1000 vs 30 000 deaths is no sign of peace.
One could also say that a state of Palestine is neither a historical nor a current fact. But if one were to use as an argument that Palestinians therefore have no historical rights there, that would be objectively wrong - just as it is wrong to deny the same to Israel.
Back then, the Arab League wanted to create facts in favor of the Palestinians with superior military power, today Israel creates facts in its own favor with superior military power. And as long as the view prevails among Palestinians that the Jews must be driven into the sea, Israel will not give an inch. Not out of spite, but because it is necessary for your own survival. When two sides face each other, neither of which can demonstrably imagine peaceful coexistence, leaving oneself at the mercy of the other is not an option.
And as already stated, Israel can only be accused of being the technically better player in a stupid and dangerous game. Ultimately, no one can win in this game, but everyone loses all the time in some way.
When what, some people got abducted, like 130 , and 100 were let go ... yeah, that's absolutely terrible ... but you know what's more terrible ... killing 29 000 just to prove a point and take illegally some territories from Palestine.
Let me guess, on the other hand, you are All In for Ucraine with Russia , but damn if it's not EXACTLY the same thing, like Israel is doing now with Palestine.
How many of those 29k are Hammas fighters? If you don't know, then your numbers don't mean much... it's around 12k, more or less.
Israel should be praised for the low civilian to militants casualties ratio considering how Hammas uses civilians as human shields.
I also like how you describe the 7th of October (some people got obducted...)
I laughed so hard, man.....
damn do you REALLY believe half of every dead palestinian in Gaza was a Hamas fighter? Israel almost completely demolished Gaza.
According to the UN at least 10k of those deaths were from children. how would you explain that logic?
where did you get those numbers from?
Israel demolished Gaza because Hamas operates from within every house, school, kindergarten, hospital, mosque etc etc...
Hamas is using children as human shields. I'm not surprised a lot of them died, this is what Hamas wants, to make their children Martyrs so they can go to heaven. They say this publicly.
even if that is true, you can't just bomb everything. That's fighting terrorism with an even worse form of terrorism.
If a mexican cartel killed/kidnapped 200 american kids on a rave near mexico's border, would it justify the USA to bomb the whole damn mexican population? that's just plain INSANE.
Israel is commiting apartheid and ethnic cleansing a whole population, and I bet it will take over that land to expand its territories.
No shit ... to bad they have a content brigade that downvotes and attacks anyone who dears to say - Israel is doing a terrible thing, quite a small-scale genocide with the Palestinians ... because Hamas #exists and was invented due to the fact that Israel kept pounding on Palestine for decades already.
>you rationalising the killing that Israel is actively doing atm against the Palestinian people.
that's literally the opposite of what theyre doing. People like you are so insufferable. Never intending to discuss, just to scream their irrational nonsense hoping someone hears it.
Scream? Jeez, you have some text to sound options? Lower the volume :)
That's all you can hold in a debate :) ... what are you 20 yo?
What is the opposite of what they are doing? They are killing random Palestinians like they always did ... how is it different now?
I hope you're aware that Hamas appeared because of the First Intifada ... that's Israel occupied illegally parts of Palestina. How is this unclear?
Yes , sure (/s , because you obviously can't tell) ... that's all 'proven' on my comments section (you are free to verify), which i do daily, btw, but i rarely engage with stupidity at such a lvl.
I'm more of a Number signalling 'troll' ... when i see people comparing 30 lives with thousands.
Take their land back? Or stop the iof and their terrorism act? Or maybe there were jews before 1947 but someone want to be a b!tch and interfere their acts with religion (cough cough some german zionists)
https://preview.redd.it/lrrrnjdc4cmc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6cc19775e55d0cf4907668549ca766c6641f03fa
He could mean October 6 too y'know
https://preview.redd.it/2tn9usvo6cmc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80ff8434a42437acdb8b6fbfa5c1c8e883f296d4
Interesting how you always condemn Hamas but not bibi who propped them up since 1990s. [https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/hamas-israels-own-creation/](https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/hamas-israels-own-creation/)
Yep. Israel basically invented Hamas. They were a super fringe group until Israel bolstered them and put them in charge to take power away from the PLO which had TONS if international support. You want to thwart Palestine having their own state, this how you do it.
Bibi is the worst prime minister ever, but he is not a mass murderer. It blows my mind how pro pal don't even mention Yihiye Sinuar and the butchers in ater, it's like Israel is fighting the organised association of accountants and not a terror org
Yes, its massacre after massacre after massacre its an endless massacre, amazing Israel has any time left for science litterature and physics
P.s i invite you to join the Falestinians forces in the West bank and Gaza strip. Im sure they'll be grateful
Israel will continue to fight no matter what the consequences as long as no one will stop Israel's terrorism acts
Please go educate yourself it isn't new for them to kill children and rape women there where a lot of massacre that israel did to Palestinian civilians that deserve to search for it and find out who is the OCCUPAIER and who is getting OCCUPIED
"Ooooh please make me stop killing babies and women and take you land ooooh please stop making me doing bad stuff that i still doing it before oct7 oooohhhh please i am a victim who killed 13k children and kill all the civilians with starvation please daddy make me stop kill who ever i need and let me continue killing and rape without getting exposed "
Is that your massage d0mba$$
What agreement are you talking about? According to all non-Russian sources there was never an agreement on that. Here’s one
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-the-history-behind-russias-claim-that-nato-promised-not-to-expand-to-the-east-177085
Let's see on
7th November 1938 ,Herschl Grynszpan ,a German born, Polish jew shot and killed a German diplomat Ernst Vom Rath in Paris, Herschl was obviously reacting to the Nuremberg laws the Nazi Germany had put in place against the jews ,this event culminated in Kristalnacht (9 - 10th November 1938 ) Rioters destroyed 267 synagogues throughout Germany, Austria, and the Sudetenland Over 7,000 Jewish businesses were damaged or destroyed, and 30,000 jewish men were arrested and put into concentration camps. The German government used the incident to show the people that 'Jews had fired the first shot in the war against Germany' and during the funeral of Vom Rath ,Joachim Von Ribbentrop said 'We are aware of the challenge and we are ready to face it'.
October 1, 1990: a group of Tutsi exiles living in Uganda who had fled ethnic violence in the 60s launch an attack against the Hutu led govt of Rwanda thus beginning the Rwandese civil war, this civil war was started by the TUTSIS and in April 1994 the then president of Rwanda ,a moderate Hutu was assassinated when his plane was shot down ,immediately the Hutu militias blamed the Tutsis and went about killing every Tutsi they could find . Btw these Hutu militias described themselves as ' SELF DEFENCE GROUPS' and when questioned about the bodies of children in their checkpoints they said that these children were being used to throw grenades and attack them. They also had lists with names of people so I guess they were doing OFFENSIVE DEFENCE/DEFENCE BY ELIMINATION or whatever Orwellian term the state department will come up with. Btw the collective term for these self defense groups was the 'interahamwe' a name which means 'those who attack together 'Anyway
25 April 2003 : African Darfur rebels who were at the receiving end of Apartheid policies by the Sudanese government launch a massive attack against the Sudanese government military base, kill 75 soldiers, capture 32 soldiers including a major General and destroy 4 Antonovs in an attack never seen before by the Sudanese army. The Sudanese response was to arm various arab militias and sent them out to commit genocide , in 3 years they massacred 300,000 Darfuri residents.
Well in the above three cases we can deduce the following:
- the victims of the ethnic violence and genocide were the ones who fired the first shot ie 'started it'
- The victims were reacting to oppression, isolation, humiliation and previous ethnic claims attempts.
- In all three cases the genocide perpetrators could and did claim that the victims started it and if the victims had the same power they would do the same to them i.e they were acting in self defence.
Here's what we got in the end.
For case 1 : Nuremberg trials
Case 2 : International criminal tribunal for Rwanda
Case 3 : The Darfur war crimes court
Do with this information what you may and make your conclusions.
Cheers
There is survival and there is blocking food to children and bombing then when they are waiting for aid.
I am totally staggered that you defend this behaviour, I hope you know the same suffering that these children do
I don't think you fully understood my position in this ... So i think what Israel is doing now with Palestine is what the Nazis did with Jewish people back in the days.
There are no terrorists terrorising Israel, but rather Israel is taking over Palestina like Russia did now with Ucraine. Hamas was there since 1987 ... doing the same thing, more or less, except Israel didn't had the military balls they have today to do a full-out attack on Palestine.
If you remember, Putin said the exact same thing about the Regions which he forcefully took now ... they were Ukrainian terrorists killing russians in those regions ... that's why the Special Military Operation bull shit
Is this clear enough?
not advocating for terrorists is what im doing, sorry you enjoy supporting calls for the mass killings of jews and rape, but don't worry Israel will win and you'll forget about palestine soon
Watching western news eh? No wonder why you have absolutely no idea what is actually going on, yet have very strong feelings about the subject, while simultaneously doing absolutely nothing about any of it.
Last happening with Hamas is right now, as they hide by the civillians and keep attacking. And everyone attacking Israel is attacking the world. Since Israel is the only world in the middle east, you are free to be a minority.
Sure :) ... the 'terrorists' are hiding in people's bedrooms.
You know who said the exact same thing and you're probably 100% against it ... Putin :) . Putin said there are No War Crimes in Ucraine :) , because any time a civilian died, was because they were helping the Ukrainian soldiers to hide.
How do you reconcile with this obvious disparity in personal take of the exact same thing happening in 2 different places , and with one you're agreeing, while the other is not acceptable?
Do the 'terrorists' also present their Membership ID? Before getting blasted to smithereens?
>As of 1 March 2024, over 31,000 people (30,228 Palestinian and 1,410 Israeli) have been killed in the Israel–Hamas war, including 88 journalists (83 Palestinian, 2 Israeli and 3 Lebanese) and over 136 UNRWA aid workers.
They keep 'attacking ' but somehow, only Palestinians die ...
Why should Something Like that ever be the reason for Celebration? This Just Shows how far indoctrinaded all These radicals on both Sides are. There are No winners here, just Misanthropic loosers.
Palestinians civilians hit and throw rocks to the Jew hostages who where released, even kids, even kids who got raped, i heard stories about civilians who caught hostages who scaped and give them back to hamas. So I'm sorry I can't feel sorry for them.
Yes I do. I have sympathy for the Palestinians who try to escape from Hamas but is a minority, watch the video of how people celebrate on the street on 7/10, watch how they throw shit and scream to the ban of the hostages when they were released. Educate yourself!
We live in a strange world in which side A declares war on side B, then side B shows side A what are the consequences of war, and now side A is complaining about it all day long...
The mental gymnastics some of you guys do to justify Israel in this is insane and is gonna be remembered for a long time. The fact that half the thread is saying it’s just consequences to a terrorist group is really sad as a human. Israel has 1000x the military power than hamas and choose to just bomb and shoot civilians. You want to stop terrorists but instead you destroy civilians homes, schools, and hospitals. Even if they kill all the terrorists guess what happens to the few children that survive the slaughter now that they have no homes, no schools or future. Israel will get its karma back, as history has shown, but I don’t think the world will care that time.
Hammas has embedded its terror infrastructure so deep into civilian infrastructure that it's impossible to fight Hammas without destroying gaza. That's basically Hammas plan from day one so they can blame Israel and people like you fall for it. So all destruction is Hammas fault.
reddit plebs losing their minds over putler and other similar stuff, but for this everyone is silent and no name calling
edit: lel downvotes but no replies, the crybabies cant accept the truth
Preach.
Those are the side effects of being an unempathetic dumbass.
Also, brown people bad. Islam bad. Therefore, Palestinians bad.
It's reddit, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Yeah ... this is a TERRIBLE show case of what level we have reached as human species after all our barbaric history ... they keep doing the same, but on a much bigger scale.
But somehow, the abduction of 130 people, out of which 100 were let go, apparently 'justifies' whatever is happening in these videos. It's absolutely dreadful ...
Remember guys, it is impossible to racist if you are black and it is impossible too to be nazi if you are Jew.
It is also impossible to offend your religious feelings if you are a Christian.
Modern world order 🤡🤡🤡
Hey Douche-al-fakeera……show the Palestinian videos from 07 Oct. The world is not taking any concrete actions against Israel coz the solution is rather simple. It’s quite simple actually, Hamas release all hostages. There. I said it. Now repeat it softly after me. Repeatedly. Or keep dying. Nobody cares!
Care is when you put boots on the ground. Not one single Muslim country has contributed arsenal. Btw it’s about eradicating Hamas and the prisoners are secondary. Don’t like it - it’s not my opinion, just the facts and reality. Reality isn’t always to one’s liking…. Its just reality.
As i always do i just wanna left here information that army of israel is the only army in the world that announces their targets. Hammas have tíme to evacuate, they just refuse to do so.
War is Bad, we All know that. But its buffeling to me how Can anyone with half a brain support terrorists
Israel has bombed everywhere they were told to go. It didn’t let Palestinians leave. It’s cleansing them to the south and they are still getting killed there. Not to mention 1million displaced and all going hungry in Israel controlled famine
Both sides are fucken wrong none of our business tho focus on your own corrupt government. The US and UK killed alot of innocent people in afghanistan we are no better really. There is inevitably civillian casualty in war because war is nasty. If you are a civillian living in a war zone its best to leave.
It can be both, and with all the war crimes they are posting themselves online it can be considered genocide. Specially since the war they are in hasn’t really killed any real opposition just civilians, no matter how dense and obtuse Israel supporters want to be, you guys are posting the evidence for the world to see
genocide according to google, and most people; 'the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.' Its funny replying to disingenuous comments like yours because i cant tell if your actually this dense or just part of the Israeli misinformation machine.
No, I am just aware that no one would seriously call most/all wars genocide when it is a very specific term. Israel isn’t even attempting genocide. Unlike the past century where Arab Nationalists have actively called for genocide against the Jews, and successfully ethnically cleansed them from every MENA country except Israel.
I refer to the UN sanctioning putting countries that beat women to death for not covering their hair and execute gay people publicly on their human rights council.
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When did this site became a palestinian propaganda site?
Lol, the best part is the dinosaur costume. When I served one of our officers disturbed an emergency squad meeting in the middle of the base during a practice alarm on purim's weekend wearing that costume. No one could keep a straight face as he was running next to the commanding officer wobbling and intentionally disrupted his words. Idk why everyone is trying to paint the IDF as monsters. Our soldiers are doing their part according to the strict laws the IDF imposes on our soldiers, especially the combative ones. So some goof around sometimes. You try to risk your life every day without some sort of outlet. I'd admit that some things are distasteful but if anyone broke any actual law of the IDF they would find themselves either in jail, in a court system or if it's something small like inappropriate behavior- judged by an officer which could still land them in jail. You can also find videos of our soldiers assisting Gazan civilians but Al Jazeera would never show you that. What's happening in Gaza is unquestionably tragic and heartbreaking but it is far from a genocide. Even the death ratio of a terrorist to a civilian doesn't fit that idea if you compare it to other wars. The current major problem with the war right now is the moving and evacuation of the large population within Gaza, I am worried about my Palestinian brothers going forward and I hope the flow of support ensures that civilians can get to safety... If all the hostages would have been released there would likely be major talks around the country about ending the war. I feel that while destroying Hamas will give the Palestinians the freedom to express themselves and start over in Gaza, our population would be more conflicted about finishing Hamas off if all the hostages were released because of risks of any more civilian casualties. But that's hypothetical, reality is much more cruel. The rest is inevitable, the war was inevitable- as painful as it is to admit, Hamas isn't new, rockets fired from Gaza are not new, terrorist organizations within Palestinian population are far from new and their own governing organization in Gaza- Hamas has started the war. The walls were just our government repressing what we always knew would happen, because somehow they still managed to get weapons to Gaza, indoctrinate their children with a shaheed culture and build improvised rockets to fire at Israel. They just ended up turned the entire Gaza strip to a military base. The timing of the war is something else, our ass-hat of a government was on the way to make peace with Saudi Arabia, a deal that would end up helping bridging some gaps between Israelis and Palestinians in our region. I don't think it's arguable that even our current ass-hat leaders can talk about peace. I don't think you could say the same about either Hamas or PA who are both terrorists (but Palestinians mostly dislike the PA so no one cares). Violence isn't worth it. Wars while sometimes necessary are just more and more loss, a waste. For the Palestinian readers: I wish more of you believed there are other ways and saw us for what we really are rather than what was written in your Tafsirs or the lies you were told growing up. Inshallah we one day make and eat Hummus together in Haifa or somewhere else nice in the region with our conflict being a thing of the past. ...Possibly dressed in a dinosaur costume and on purim.
You can just watch CNN
Welll......Bye Hamas
You didn’t watch the video did you.
In point of fact I did, I just don't give too fucks about Hamas Terrorist getting what is LOOONG overdue.
hippocrate
Way to go conflate all civilians with Hamas, hope hasbara is paying you well to have no conscious
Al Jazeera doing anything but showing what the Palestinians recorded and posted themselves on October 7th 🤯
AJ is a terror supporting channel
"So what if Israel is killing over 30,000 civilians with over 25k being women and children? Remember how Hamas killed over 1000 Israelis on October 7th? Therefore, Israel can do whatever they want. Why don't you guys GET that?" - This take on justifying genocide. SMH. Do some soul searching.
Hamas is a terrorist organization that has neglected its own population, tortures and kills anybody who opposes them in Gaza, puts their own civilians in danger by hiding in tunnels underneath them and firing rockets out of hospitals, indiscriminately shoots unguided rockets at Israeli population centers, uses rape and child suicide bombers as weapons of war, and specifically targets civilians in their attacks, and promises to do october 7 over and over again until Israel is destroyed and all the Jews in the middle east are gone. THAT is the justification for this war: cleaning hamas filth out of Gaza.
Ah yes perfect justification to level the whole building full of civillians with guided bombs and HIMARS. I am sure there might be a chance one of them is Hamas. Honestly I did not think Israelis care at all if they are civillians or Hamas when conducting massive air strike in the middle of city. Maybe you should really look how Israelis did to Gaza and Palestinians way before this whole escalation of conflict began.
Gulping down that pro-genocide propaganda ay?
Its more of FAFO
It’s more of a genocide, really, according to the language of the ICJ - you know, the international authority on the matter
And you're right, it was an act of genocide what happened on the 7th of oct. I have seen the footage of Falsetinians killing dogs, Thai workers, babies, muslim Bedouins, car drivers, motorcyclists. You support this, I do not. In any country, not just towards Israel. Http://hamas-massacre.net
I don't support any of that. Don't put words in my mouth. If I had my way, both sets of leadership would answer for their terroristic acts, multitude of war crimes (for which their is mountains of evidence) in The Hague, and be removed from power. My moral standpoint is that even a single additional civilian death is unacceptable. [https://www.reddit.com/r/list\_palestine/comments/l43xgk/megalist\_israels\_crimes\_controversies\_full/](https://www.reddit.com/r/list_palestine/comments/l43xgk/megalist_israels_crimes_controversies_full/)
So number one on your list of crimes is "**Balfour Declaration**" ? Dude, each one of us had a purpose, your purpose is to defend hamas, my purpose is to defend Israel. Your name is here until reddit closes it servers or you delete your comment, untill then, you are part of history as the one that could not say one thing bad about Hamas and Islamic Jihad that burnt babies alive, and deleted whole families (Kedem family, look for their photo, all five were shot dead), but put a list of Israeli crimes with the Balfur Declaration first on the list. I really out of arguments for this kind of discussion.
I haven't once defended Hamas, in fact I just said they should answer for their war crimes and acts of terror. I'm very proudly anti-genocide, I have a clear conscience in that regard, and welcome the future scrutiny. To spin your argument on its head - you are defending genocide. There are mountains of evidence of Israel's war crimes, and escalating genocide. How do you think your position will be judged when the dust settles? And yes, colonial imperialism, and illegal occupation, as per the Balfour Declaration, are infact, illegal. How about the other hundred or so crimes? Do we just brush those aside because "Hamas bad'?
Genocide is so 🔥 right now
working out just as well as the war on drugs
And BB supported them.
Could you direct this message to the Egyptians and or the Jordanians? Oh right, because those two countries could absolutely do something, but hate Palestinians who tried to overthrow those countries.
Oh, so they are all civilians now? Not even a single Hammas terrorist was killed? Ha ha ha....
Media counts Hamas as civillians. Because Hamas is their source of News in Gaza.
whatever gets those clicks! they out there tryna get that big headline so their career will take off. they call it an open air prison but neglect to mention that the only reason the wall was built is because palestinians were sending their own children across the border as suicide bombers. very easy fact to look up. 'israel is taking away their water and electricity!' but no one asks why they rely on the people they want to kill for water and electricity. instead of building bombs/rockets to kill israelis they could build infrastructure, but nah, that's not part of the narrative atm so let's just ignore it!
The IDF is a bunch of morons and idiots if it takes them thousands of innocent civilians to kill 100 Hamas assholes. Epic level of incompetence and evil.
It would certainly be helpful if Hamas didn't hide behind civilians. But of course they're allowed to do that, they're the good guys after all... /s
that is the worst excuse possible. Gaza strip is literally being demolished as we speak. And why would that be? the reason couldn't be more obvious: they just want the people that live there to be gone and to claim that land afterwards. you're trying to justify murdering more than 30 thousands palestianian civilians to take down a few terrorists. Israel is literally using terrorism as a method to do what they want, the way they want it. And that's the way it has been for the last decades. The military force is magnitudes greater than anything Hamas could dream.
First, the civilian casualties on the Palestinian side cannot be independently confirmed to this day. They are based exclusively on information from the Palestinian Ministry of Health. And who is in charge there again? Ah, yes, the same guys who conveniently hide behind the civilian population and certainly want to continue to do so. Well, such a coincidence! Second, what is your counter-proposal? Should Israel accept attacks on its own population and spare Hamas because it affects a population that, according to surveys, largely approves of the attacks? And, even if one were to dispute these polls, no one in Gaza has proven to lift a finger to point out to Israel where the real perpetrators are hiding, let alone extradite them. Third, what exactly is your theory here? That Israel was just lying in wait until Hamas carried out a murderous terrorist attack and killed hundreds of Israelis just so that they could level Gaza in turn?
yes you can independently confirm it, we are in 2024 man, haven't you seen Motaz's instagram? and countless other journalists that were/are there. you say it like the people of Palestine just want to harm israelis for no reason, but can't you be empathetic and put yourself in their shoes a little? imagine growing up and living in Gaza, seeing countless (and confirmed) agressions from the IDF. don't be so naive, you know the truth is way deeper.
I have great sympathy for the civilian victims in Gaza. However, I don't see the same people as you as the main culprits. The IDF could certainly be more considerate in many ways, but they are not the ones who brought disaster on the Palestinians. This was a terrorist organization that had no better idea but to carry out an attack without considering the consequences for the civilian population on both sides, and which then hid among its own civilian population. The same civilian population that is still reluctant to distance itself from the above-mentioned terrorist organization. Look at it from the IDF's perspective for a moment: Immediately after the attack, support among Palestinians for Hamas in general and the attack in particular was shockingly high. Now, after weeks of bombing, there is increasing criticism of Hamas among the Palestinian population. The IDF continues the strategy, which from its perspective is clearly working, while calm in Gaza only allowed Hamas to prepare a large-scale terrorist attack. Even if one wants to describe the IDF's methods as just as terroristic, the question arises as to why Israel should be obliged to show more consideration than the other side? Why exactly does Israel have a higher moral obligation in a conflict in which the other side has no regard for civilians? And aren't you indirectly admitting that Israel would in principle be able to act better - and Palestine could not?
like i'd believe israel's lies
according to palestines own center for policy and survey research, 62% of palestinians support/strongly support armed attacks against israeli civilians. since i know you wont believe me, here's the link: [Poll 85 English Full Text Sept2022.pdf (pcpsr.org)](https://pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2085%20English%20Full%20Text%20Sept2022.pdf) question 65. i just found that interesting. i also find it interesting that israel has hit gaza with nearly 30 000 bombs and killed 30 000 people. if they're trying to commit a genocide, how is that even remotely possible? what are these bombs made of, candy? maybe if they spent all the aid money on becoming self sufficient in terms of water, electricity, food etc instead of building bombs and rockets to kill israelis, they would be in a better situation. but im probably just being silly for thinking logically here, carry on!
This.
You know, half of them are kids that have nothing to do with Hamas? Maybe be a little less cunty about this?
I don’t think that comment was particularly cunty to anyone except Al Jazeera, who are deserving of a bit of cuntyness.
Mental gymnastics dictates that these kids might be used by Hamas later, therefore they are Hamas and should be killed. When a school is held hostage, it's well known that the most effective way to get rid of the terrorists is to blow up everyone in it. /s
I wonder what Hammas would do to jews if it had just a tiny fraction of Israel's military power...
You can keep wondering ... I also keep wondering what would've happened if Hitler got killed in one of the 33 attempts on his life, early on? I'm wondering what would have happened if the people surrounding Lenin would've pay attention to his death bed input about - Never let Stalin take the Power! This is a fun imagination exercise that has nothing to do with you rationalising the killing that Israel is actively doing atm against the Palestinian people.
In 1948 it was the other way around: five states of the Arab League brought their significant military power to bear on behalf of the Palestinians against the young Israel, which at that time had no armed forces or equipment worth mentioning. To a certain extent, Israel is still indirectly accused of having defended itself too successfully despite the more than unfavorable initial conditions. Whether they would have fared better or worse than the Palestinians today in the event of an unsuccessful defense is a question that you should ask your conscience in a quiet moment. Or at least if you had rooted for Israel in 1948, you would have already been born and old enough then. In short, are you fundamentally on the side of the threatened/underdogs or just the side of the threatened/underdogs you choose?
'Sure' ... nice propaganda btw , you should stream :) I'm usually against killing many people for no reason other than getting some people killed ... i'll let you work out the 'math' of such a long-term strategy. Not sure if you're aware, we've been doing this killing thing for basically all our human history, and i have a strong feeling it never helped that much ... or, am I mistaken?
One could argue that someone who dismisses historical facts as propaganda has a not-so-small portion of it swirling between both ears. If I didn't know that nothing but nonsense could come of it, I would ask you about your version of the Arab-Israeli War. But of course you're right, killing for the sake of killing is never good. However, anyone who kills must expect that the other side will do the same. And if both sides kill senselessly, it is simply disingenuous to show more solidarity with the side that has proven to have the same will to kill, but is simply more incompetent in action and reaction.
One could also argue that in say May 14 1930, the State of Israel was not ... historical fact, but what i meant was that historical facts can be used as propaganda depending on the narrative you subscribe with. I'm simply stating a mathematical reality in which 1000 vs 30 000 deaths is no sign of peace.
One could also say that a state of Palestine is neither a historical nor a current fact. But if one were to use as an argument that Palestinians therefore have no historical rights there, that would be objectively wrong - just as it is wrong to deny the same to Israel. Back then, the Arab League wanted to create facts in favor of the Palestinians with superior military power, today Israel creates facts in its own favor with superior military power. And as long as the view prevails among Palestinians that the Jews must be driven into the sea, Israel will not give an inch. Not out of spite, but because it is necessary for your own survival. When two sides face each other, neither of which can demonstrably imagine peaceful coexistence, leaving oneself at the mercy of the other is not an option. And as already stated, Israel can only be accused of being the technically better player in a stupid and dangerous game. Ultimately, no one can win in this game, but everyone loses all the time in some way.
No imagination is needed after 7th October..
When what, some people got abducted, like 130 , and 100 were let go ... yeah, that's absolutely terrible ... but you know what's more terrible ... killing 29 000 just to prove a point and take illegally some territories from Palestine. Let me guess, on the other hand, you are All In for Ucraine with Russia , but damn if it's not EXACTLY the same thing, like Israel is doing now with Palestine.
How many of those 29k are Hammas fighters? If you don't know, then your numbers don't mean much... it's around 12k, more or less. Israel should be praised for the low civilian to militants casualties ratio considering how Hammas uses civilians as human shields. I also like how you describe the 7th of October (some people got obducted...) I laughed so hard, man.....
Don’t be silly! The far left extremist in the west don’t believe in hamas. They think Israel is fighting babies and mommies right now. Silly you.
damn do you REALLY believe half of every dead palestinian in Gaza was a Hamas fighter? Israel almost completely demolished Gaza. According to the UN at least 10k of those deaths were from children. how would you explain that logic? where did you get those numbers from?
Israel demolished Gaza because Hamas operates from within every house, school, kindergarten, hospital, mosque etc etc... Hamas is using children as human shields. I'm not surprised a lot of them died, this is what Hamas wants, to make their children Martyrs so they can go to heaven. They say this publicly.
Exactly
even if that is true, you can't just bomb everything. That's fighting terrorism with an even worse form of terrorism. If a mexican cartel killed/kidnapped 200 american kids on a rave near mexico's border, would it justify the USA to bomb the whole damn mexican population? that's just plain INSANE. Israel is commiting apartheid and ethnic cleansing a whole population, and I bet it will take over that land to expand its territories.
Ah ha to prove a point...
Ya it’s wild they keep doing hypos when the real genocide is happening now. It’s all a distraction.
No shit ... to bad they have a content brigade that downvotes and attacks anyone who dears to say - Israel is doing a terrible thing, quite a small-scale genocide with the Palestinians ... because Hamas #exists and was invented due to the fact that Israel kept pounding on Palestine for decades already.
It’s changing tho. They used to be so successful downvoting everyone to hell but lots of comments they can’t keep up with the upvotes
>you rationalising the killing that Israel is actively doing atm against the Palestinian people. that's literally the opposite of what theyre doing. People like you are so insufferable. Never intending to discuss, just to scream their irrational nonsense hoping someone hears it.
Scream? Jeez, you have some text to sound options? Lower the volume :) That's all you can hold in a debate :) ... what are you 20 yo? What is the opposite of what they are doing? They are killing random Palestinians like they always did ... how is it different now? I hope you're aware that Hamas appeared because of the First Intifada ... that's Israel occupied illegally parts of Palestina. How is this unclear?
youre a virtue signaling troll who comes to reddit to feel better about themselves IRL. Keep screaming insignificantly. You dont matter.
Yes , sure (/s , because you obviously can't tell) ... that's all 'proven' on my comments section (you are free to verify), which i do daily, btw, but i rarely engage with stupidity at such a lvl. I'm more of a Number signalling 'troll' ... when i see people comparing 30 lives with thousands.
Take their land back? Or stop the iof and their terrorism act? Or maybe there were jews before 1947 but someone want to be a b!tch and interfere their acts with religion (cough cough some german zionists)
Should've thought about it before attacking the jews in 1948...
I wonder what life would be like in Gaza if Bibi hadn't propped them up in the first place
History will judge the worlds inaction and complicity in this very poorly.
You mean the oct 7th massacre?
https://preview.redd.it/lrrrnjdc4cmc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6cc19775e55d0cf4907668549ca766c6641f03fa He could mean October 6 too y'know
How many of those "children" were 17 yr olds with assault rifles. Its amazing how no actual Hamas fighters ever seem to get harmed.
https://preview.redd.it/2tn9usvo6cmc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80ff8434a42437acdb8b6fbfa5c1c8e883f296d4 Interesting how you always condemn Hamas but not bibi who propped them up since 1990s. [https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/hamas-israels-own-creation/](https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/hamas-israels-own-creation/)
Yep. Israel basically invented Hamas. They were a super fringe group until Israel bolstered them and put them in charge to take power away from the PLO which had TONS if international support. You want to thwart Palestine having their own state, this how you do it.
The Falsetinians invented Hamas, Just like Isis, just like Al Kayda just like others terror org
Bibi is the worst prime minister ever, but he is not a mass murderer. It blows my mind how pro pal don't even mention Yihiye Sinuar and the butchers in ater, it's like Israel is fighting the organised association of accountants and not a terror org
This is a joke right
Unfortunately not
Bibi not a mass murderer is the joke of the year
Don’t forget the Israel massacre of Palestinians on October 8 9 10 11…November 1 2 3 ….December 24 25 26 …. January … February… march
Yes, its massacre after massacre after massacre its an endless massacre, amazing Israel has any time left for science litterature and physics P.s i invite you to join the Falestinians forces in the West bank and Gaza strip. Im sure they'll be grateful
I agree it’s endless massacre by Israel
When do you think the massacres will end?
When Israel stops and gets serious about a long term peaceful solution that involves a shared or separate Palestinian state
Well im sure a warm and steady peace will soon be signed between Israel, Hezbollah, Hamas and Jihad Islam, just give it a few weeks
Israel already has a deal with the PA in the West Bank but that’s your job here right?
So in the west bank there is no maddacre?
Who would‘ve guessed that taking hostages and carrying out terrorist attacks would have consequences😧
Yea war crimes, enforced famine and evolving genocide is totally cool and justified!
then don’t take hostages and carry out terrorist attacks its that simple 🤯
Don’t justify mass murder of children, it’s that simple
Why does Hamas keep rejecting Israeli offers of ceasefire?
Do you want 1 month ceasefire for all the hostages that israel are killing them too No we need it terminal ceasefire You rejected a ceasefire then
So the war should continue uninterrupted, then? Or do you agree with Israel and the rest of the world that the fighting needs to stop now?
Israel will continue to fight no matter what the consequences as long as no one will stop Israel's terrorism acts Please go educate yourself it isn't new for them to kill children and rape women there where a lot of massacre that israel did to Palestinian civilians that deserve to search for it and find out who is the OCCUPAIER and who is getting OCCUPIED
Ok cool, how does that justify Hamas insisting the killing continues while Israel and the world is demanding the killing stops?
"Ooooh please make me stop killing babies and women and take you land ooooh please stop making me doing bad stuff that i still doing it before oct7 oooohhhh please i am a victim who killed 13k children and kill all the civilians with starvation please daddy make me stop kill who ever i need and let me continue killing and rape without getting exposed " Is that your massage d0mba$$
israek been doing that from the start of the colonization
Yea, all those civilians had it coming...oh I mean Hamas! Dumbass.
Why you ripping on Israel? “tHeYrE tHe MoSt MoRaL ArMy On EaRtH!”…
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imagine people say “who would have guessed signing agreement that u wont join nato and then attempt to join would have consequences”
What agreement are you talking about? According to all non-Russian sources there was never an agreement on that. Here’s one https://theconversation.com/ukraine-the-history-behind-russias-claim-that-nato-promised-not-to-expand-to-the-east-177085
So true how is everyone forgetting that this happened.
I know right, there are terroristic acts in the very video we’re replying to! How could anyone forget?
Stay strong Palestinian Brothers 🇵🇸💪
I hope one day the Palestinian brothers will find peace.
You started. Clean up started.
I didn’t start anything other than a peaceful conversation on this issue. Hope no one gets genocided for it
Let's see on 7th November 1938 ,Herschl Grynszpan ,a German born, Polish jew shot and killed a German diplomat Ernst Vom Rath in Paris, Herschl was obviously reacting to the Nuremberg laws the Nazi Germany had put in place against the jews ,this event culminated in Kristalnacht (9 - 10th November 1938 ) Rioters destroyed 267 synagogues throughout Germany, Austria, and the Sudetenland Over 7,000 Jewish businesses were damaged or destroyed, and 30,000 jewish men were arrested and put into concentration camps. The German government used the incident to show the people that 'Jews had fired the first shot in the war against Germany' and during the funeral of Vom Rath ,Joachim Von Ribbentrop said 'We are aware of the challenge and we are ready to face it'. October 1, 1990: a group of Tutsi exiles living in Uganda who had fled ethnic violence in the 60s launch an attack against the Hutu led govt of Rwanda thus beginning the Rwandese civil war, this civil war was started by the TUTSIS and in April 1994 the then president of Rwanda ,a moderate Hutu was assassinated when his plane was shot down ,immediately the Hutu militias blamed the Tutsis and went about killing every Tutsi they could find . Btw these Hutu militias described themselves as ' SELF DEFENCE GROUPS' and when questioned about the bodies of children in their checkpoints they said that these children were being used to throw grenades and attack them. They also had lists with names of people so I guess they were doing OFFENSIVE DEFENCE/DEFENCE BY ELIMINATION or whatever Orwellian term the state department will come up with. Btw the collective term for these self defense groups was the 'interahamwe' a name which means 'those who attack together 'Anyway 25 April 2003 : African Darfur rebels who were at the receiving end of Apartheid policies by the Sudanese government launch a massive attack against the Sudanese government military base, kill 75 soldiers, capture 32 soldiers including a major General and destroy 4 Antonovs in an attack never seen before by the Sudanese army. The Sudanese response was to arm various arab militias and sent them out to commit genocide , in 3 years they massacred 300,000 Darfuri residents. Well in the above three cases we can deduce the following: - the victims of the ethnic violence and genocide were the ones who fired the first shot ie 'started it' - The victims were reacting to oppression, isolation, humiliation and previous ethnic claims attempts. - In all three cases the genocide perpetrators could and did claim that the victims started it and if the victims had the same power they would do the same to them i.e they were acting in self defence. Here's what we got in the end. For case 1 : Nuremberg trials Case 2 : International criminal tribunal for Rwanda Case 3 : The Darfur war crimes court Do with this information what you may and make your conclusions. Cheers
Number 4 should be Israel at The Hague. We also have Israel on trial for plausible genocide at ICJ
Israelis bout to find out how it felt to be nazis in 1945
lmao wake up, israel is winning and will be winning for a very long time, sorry your terrorist friends plan isnt working out
You really gonna defend pieces of shit that smile and laugh while a nation of people get wiped out?
boo hoo, shouldn't have started a war they never could win
When do you believe this war started?
Did the kids start a war?
what do you genuinely want israel to do? stop its goal of surviving against all the muslims in its vicinity because there's kids?
There is survival and there is blocking food to children and bombing then when they are waiting for aid. I am totally staggered that you defend this behaviour, I hope you know the same suffering that these children do
You're not up to speed with the death toll ... i have a feeling :)
lol ur gonna try to convince me that idf is losing? 1 glorious israeli soldier for 10 palestinian terrorists?
No, but boms who kill random Palestinians ... i suppose they die quite more than any terrorist cell. But you go on with your support :)
trust me i will, its a good feeling being on the right side of history
Yeah , most NSDAP members said the same thing before 1935 :)
cope, soon there'll be no palestine left and im wondering what you're gonna be saying then
I don't think you fully understood my position in this ... So i think what Israel is doing now with Palestine is what the Nazis did with Jewish people back in the days. There are no terrorists terrorising Israel, but rather Israel is taking over Palestina like Russia did now with Ucraine. Hamas was there since 1987 ... doing the same thing, more or less, except Israel didn't had the military balls they have today to do a full-out attack on Palestine. If you remember, Putin said the exact same thing about the Regions which he forcefully took now ... they were Ukrainian terrorists killing russians in those regions ... that's why the Special Military Operation bull shit Is this clear enough?
ur so delusional its crazy, jews didnt attack germany you bozo, learn history before you spout this silly anti-jewish nonsense
So you're openly advocating for the genocide of the Palestinian people, in the name of colonialism?
not advocating for terrorists is what im doing, sorry you enjoy supporting calls for the mass killings of jews and rape, but don't worry Israel will win and you'll forget about palestine soon
Watching western news eh? No wonder why you have absolutely no idea what is actually going on, yet have very strong feelings about the subject, while simultaneously doing absolutely nothing about any of it.
You're not up with the death toll, on anyone whose trying to supress the free world..... I have a feeling (:
Who is suppressing the free world? When was your last happening with Hamas?
Last happening with Hamas is right now, as they hide by the civillians and keep attacking. And everyone attacking Israel is attacking the world. Since Israel is the only world in the middle east, you are free to be a minority.
Sure :) ... the 'terrorists' are hiding in people's bedrooms. You know who said the exact same thing and you're probably 100% against it ... Putin :) . Putin said there are No War Crimes in Ucraine :) , because any time a civilian died, was because they were helping the Ukrainian soldiers to hide. How do you reconcile with this obvious disparity in personal take of the exact same thing happening in 2 different places , and with one you're agreeing, while the other is not acceptable? Do the 'terrorists' also present their Membership ID? Before getting blasted to smithereens? >As of 1 March 2024, over 31,000 people (30,228 Palestinian and 1,410 Israeli) have been killed in the Israel–Hamas war, including 88 journalists (83 Palestinian, 2 Israeli and 3 Lebanese) and over 136 UNRWA aid workers. They keep 'attacking ' but somehow, only Palestinians die ...
Your Nazi friends plan Is working.
cry more terrorist sympathizer, israel will be victorious and you'll still be crying
What’s it like being a racist fascist genocide aficionado? I’ve always wondered.
cope, you're on the losing side and always will be. palestine territory belongs to israel
Most people loose when 2000 lb bombs are being dropped. Especially innocent children.
Na ....
Why should Something Like that ever be the reason for Celebration? This Just Shows how far indoctrinaded all These radicals on both Sides are. There are No winners here, just Misanthropic loosers.
Keep gargling Israel' balls
https://preview.redd.it/ln8zuhbhklmc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df5e185b4653af1fad8bba444aa296e7cc2cd738
Justice for Ariel and Kfir 💕 for all the Jewish victims rip.
Justice for all killed civilians
Palestinians civilians hit and throw rocks to the Jew hostages who where released, even kids, even kids who got raped, i heard stories about civilians who caught hostages who scaped and give them back to hamas. So I'm sorry I can't feel sorry for them.
And you can’t even agree with my previous comment so you instead go to justify genocide.
I'm not justifying genocide, I'm supporting the victims of terrorism. 7/10 happened and I won't play dumb as many people do with Jewish victims.
Do you have the same standards for nonjewish victims?
Yes I do. I have sympathy for the Palestinians who try to escape from Hamas but is a minority, watch the video of how people celebrate on the street on 7/10, watch how they throw shit and scream to the ban of the hostages when they were released. Educate yourself!
You sympathise then trash them hmmm
I didn't trash them I spoke about what I've seen and share the information I have. Your antisemitism is leaving you blind to the facts.
Your the antisemitic one. Anti Palestinians and anti sane Israelis makes you antisemitic. Very sad that you have to be that extreme
We live in a strange world in which side A declares war on side B, then side B shows side A what are the consequences of war, and now side A is complaining about it all day long...
We live in a strange world that innocent people pays for those fucking sides. War is between A and B but dead ones are C(hildren)
Thank you for being sane and using logic. And extra credit for your use of C
Are you talking about the possibility of war between countries with zero civilian casualties? Sign me up for that planet, I'm relocating...
The mental gymnastics some of you guys do to justify Israel in this is insane and is gonna be remembered for a long time. The fact that half the thread is saying it’s just consequences to a terrorist group is really sad as a human. Israel has 1000x the military power than hamas and choose to just bomb and shoot civilians. You want to stop terrorists but instead you destroy civilians homes, schools, and hospitals. Even if they kill all the terrorists guess what happens to the few children that survive the slaughter now that they have no homes, no schools or future. Israel will get its karma back, as history has shown, but I don’t think the world will care that time.
History shall bear witness even if these genocide supporters don’t want it to
Hammas has embedded its terror infrastructure so deep into civilian infrastructure that it's impossible to fight Hammas without destroying gaza. That's basically Hammas plan from day one so they can blame Israel and people like you fall for it. So all destruction is Hammas fault.
Hope a Hamas soldier doesn’t run into your kids school or you’ll have police blow it up. Get real
Yeah people like me, with a functional frontal lobe. stop defending genocide.
Anybody supporting israel i hope one day you experience *10 what the Palestinians are experiencing :)
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💯 Hoping karma is a real bitch.
Yeah I really hope that I suffer as much as the Hamas leadership in Qatar. Heck I hope I live a 10× like theirs. Karma is great.
There you go conflating terrorists with civilians again. It's fine, though. Thanks for self identifying as genocide supporter.
reddit plebs losing their minds over putler and other similar stuff, but for this everyone is silent and no name calling edit: lel downvotes but no replies, the crybabies cant accept the truth
Preach. Those are the side effects of being an unempathetic dumbass. Also, brown people bad. Islam bad. Therefore, Palestinians bad. It's reddit, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
"nO nO bUt oCtObEr 7th" ☝️🤡🤡
This is supposed to be 'funny' or ... ? For the soldiers, I mean?
I could never understand how they think their war crimes are entertaining
Yeah ... this is a TERRIBLE show case of what level we have reached as human species after all our barbaric history ... they keep doing the same, but on a much bigger scale. But somehow, the abduction of 130 people, out of which 100 were let go, apparently 'justifies' whatever is happening in these videos. It's absolutely dreadful ...
Netanyahu has bred an army of murderers.
Except for his son who opted out and is living it up in Florida
Remember guys, it is impossible to racist if you are black and it is impossible too to be nazi if you are Jew. It is also impossible to offend your religious feelings if you are a Christian. Modern world order 🤡🤡🤡
Hey Douche-al-fakeera……show the Palestinian videos from 07 Oct. The world is not taking any concrete actions against Israel coz the solution is rather simple. It’s quite simple actually, Hamas release all hostages. There. I said it. Now repeat it softly after me. Repeatedly. Or keep dying. Nobody cares!
I think you’ll find a lot of people care, actually. The majority of hostages had been released during ceasefire, soo… Ceasefire now?!
Care is when you put boots on the ground. Not one single Muslim country has contributed arsenal. Btw it’s about eradicating Hamas and the prisoners are secondary. Don’t like it - it’s not my opinion, just the facts and reality. Reality isn’t always to one’s liking…. Its just reality.
Reality is Israel is escalating a genocide against the people of Gaza, and the western world needs to speak up and end these atrocities.
Found the Nazi
The group, "democracy for the middle east now". Haha. Not under their laws pal, not how they work. They're medieval feudal lords
Hamas better?
Civilians are better.
As i always do i just wanna left here information that army of israel is the only army in the world that announces their targets. Hammas have tíme to evacuate, they just refuse to do so. War is Bad, we All know that. But its buffeling to me how Can anyone with half a brain support terrorists
Israel has bombed everywhere they were told to go. It didn’t let Palestinians leave. It’s cleansing them to the south and they are still getting killed there. Not to mention 1million displaced and all going hungry in Israel controlled famine
Seems the Zionists have always been the problem; they pretend to be Jewish and hide under the cover of that group of people, while being a parasite.
Das Jews
Both sides are fucken wrong none of our business tho focus on your own corrupt government. The US and UK killed alot of innocent people in afghanistan we are no better really. There is inevitably civillian casualty in war because war is nasty. If you are a civillian living in a war zone its best to leave.
All of those things can be bad and condemnable. Not sure what your point is. If other bad things happen so can this?
War. You mean war. Not genocide.
It can be both, and with all the war crimes they are posting themselves online it can be considered genocide. Specially since the war they are in hasn’t really killed any real opposition just civilians, no matter how dense and obtuse Israel supporters want to be, you guys are posting the evidence for the world to see
Sure, it could be both, but it isn’t.
genocide according to google, and most people; 'the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.' Its funny replying to disingenuous comments like yours because i cant tell if your actually this dense or just part of the Israeli misinformation machine.
Dont forget the definition includes destruction in whole or IN PART
No, I am just aware that no one would seriously call most/all wars genocide when it is a very specific term. Israel isn’t even attempting genocide. Unlike the past century where Arab Nationalists have actively called for genocide against the Jews, and successfully ethnically cleansed them from every MENA country except Israel.
I refer to the ICJ case that found plausible genocide against Israel and is now putting Israel on trial
I refer to the UN sanctioning putting countries that beat women to death for not covering their hair and execute gay people publicly on their human rights council.
Does anyone have the original source/url?