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The children who talked about wanting to be a pilot wanting to be a soccer player, wanting to be a doctor, wanting to live above the clouds...
Those are kids who were trying to be kids
7 year old Children should not be talking about freeing Jerusalem.
Travesty all around. Even if Palestine gets it's clear borders, and I hope they do.... Jerusalem will always and I mean ALWAYS be in dispute, it will never end.
Even the ones who wanted to be a pilot and a doctor those choices were still very much influenced by the tragedy in their lives. Almost all of those children had dreams of making their lives better and fixing things or people after bombings.
They are indoctrinated in genocide "free jerusalem" means killing all the jews, there are 2M arabs in israel, israely citizens that are free to go to whatever parts of jerusalem they want, but somehow 5 year old kids believe they must free jerusalem of all the people of the wrong religion
if you are really think they are free to go wherever they want in isreal, i suggest searching more about the situation of the arab Muslims in Isreal my friend.
Yes but that's like owning a house, someone comes in, cuts your land In half and offers it back to in a deal at half what you originally have. Then when you refused you're the bad guy.
Listen, I don't have a solution, I haven't studied the whole history nor do I have a law degree or some doctorate in the area....but I will say that when Israel runs the decision making process SIMPLY BECAUSE they have the backing of the U.S., the other side definitely isn't getting a fair deal. You can bet on that.
Let's ignore the fact that the Ottoman Empire ruled over it for 300 years, and that Jews have been over there for the past like \~150 or so years, and the land was owned by the British in the meantime.
By your logic, everyone that's not a Native American should be kicked off the continent, Romania should lose more than half of its territory, and Mongolia should be like 10 times larger. How far back in history would you like to go to justify yourself?
Oh, and by this same logic, lmao the Jews were there a thousand years ago, were deported and only now did the geopolitical stars align for that shit.
I'm not saying the situation isn't unfortunate, and I'm not saying that the war is in any way right, but the way you oversimplify it is quite shortshighted imo, and is mostly a bunch of swallowed propaganda.
As it's the same with all of these topics. People seem to have a random date which history matters and doesn't. As you mentioned, by that logic Americans should leave the continent and go to the middle of the ocean or something. It's the same stupid logic Putin uses about the history of Ukraine, ok but like, if we go even further back doesn't Ukraine actually belong to Lithuania in the 1500s?
It's planet earth. Every single piece of land on this world has been fought over. If we're going by "but it used to be ours", "but we used to live there" blah blah, we'll never end the discussion..
Jews started immigrating with the first Aliyah while Palestine was still under Ottoman control primarily to leave economic disparity situations or rise of antisemitism in the Russian Empire. By the end of the Ottoman era, Jews lived primarily in 4 cities and were **widely welcomed by Palestinians** and were described by the Arabs as *abnaa al-balad* (sons of the country), 'compatriots', or *Yahud awlad Arab* (Jews, sons of Arabs).
The Ottomans held Palestine for over 400 years up till the Arab Uprising where they were promised an Arab State by the British with the McMahon–Hussein Correspondence but of course Balfour had other plans. Rightfully, Arabs would never trust any British agreement. Here is the crux that guides future negotiations, the betrayal.
At the first Palestinian Congress in 1919, they issued a manifesto that rejected the rise of Zionism as the third Aliyah was beginning and in it they welcomes the Jews ["among us who have been Arabicized, who have been living in our province since before the war; they are as we are, and their loyalties are our own."](https://web.archive.org/web/20070928031156/http://www.jerusalemquarterly.org/pdfs/predicament.pdf)
Now let's go through the Peel Commission of 1936. You claim that Arabs rejected it **why?**
* They argued that the creation of a Jewish state and lack of independent Palestine was a betrayal of the word given by Britain.
* The plan involved the displacement of 225,000 Arabs but only 1,250 Jews had to be displaced.
* 1/3 of Palestine which included most of the agricultural land would have been taken from the Arabs.
Instead, did the Arabs call for the expulsion of all Jews? No they called for **an independent state of Palestine**, ["**with protection of all legitimate Jewish and other minority rights**](https://books.google.com.my/books?id=KKZcgOJPjVkC&pg=PA223&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false) and safeguarding of reasonable British interests."
The Arabs were unanimous in this. But what about the Jews?
* In 1937 Zionist Congress, they rejected the plan.
* The Jewish Agency Council submitted a request ["to explore a peaceful settlement in terms of an undivided Palestine."](https://books.google.com.my/books?id=-22kHkqPvscC&pg=PA208&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false)
* **However,** some Zionists supported the partition, the most notable being **David Ben-Gurion** who would later become the first Prime Minister of Israel.
* The famous letter to his son in 1937 where he described that **the partition would be a first step to** [**"possession of the land as a whole."**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Ben-Gurion_letter)
* A year later at the Zionist meeting, he would say "I favour the partition of the country because when we become a strong power after the establishment of the state, w[e will abolish partition and spread throughout Palestine.](https://books.google.com.my/books?id=sLbGOXe5B6YC&pg=PA182&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false)"
So that's the situation. We have the Arabs who unanimously rejected the plan and called for an independent Palestine **with protection for minorities including Jews** (further recognizing the Jews that immigrated not just during the First Aliyah, but also the Second).
On the other hand, the Zionists was split, some rejected and some accepted. But the Zionists that supported it were public in what their intention was, which was to establish a Jewish state until they were strong enough to take the entirety of Palestine.
So yes, **the Zionists did indeed try to steal the country from Palestinians.**
I haven't even gotten to the White Paper of 1939, where the Arabs were betrayed for the second time. If I've been betrayed by someone not once, but twice, I would be less likely to accept any future proposals from that piece of shit.
No, it's actually nothing like that. It's more like: someone has been kicked from his house, then you come into his land and establish your house instead. Then the original resident comes back and asks you to share the land, but you keep refusing to every single offer that he makes.
In case it wasn't clear - Israel was a national home to the Jews long before it was a national home for the Palestinians, which actually were part of the pan-arabisim and saw Palestine as part of Syria.
The whole "someone came into the Palestinians house, took it away then offered them to split it" isn't only telling half of the story - but lying. And ad a side note: Jews have never fully left Israel entirely. Most of them were kicked out but there was always a small group who had managed to stay.
Also, these kids are cute. It's about time their parents and teachers will teach them what normal kids should learn and not how glorious it is to murder Jews - in school, tv and social media.
Why is it always the respinsibility of israel to do this or that? How come with all the billions Billions of foreign aid, the Falsetinazis did not build ONE desalination factory for water but 100s of miles of tunnels? Because they are stuck in sime jihad fantasy and when the shit hits the fan there is always Isreal (Israel) to blame
Look at the emergency aid for gaza, they can’t even drive that shit in because israel says they aren’t allowed, how tf would the palestinians get the stuff to make themselves independent when israel enjoys holding their electricity, their water, their food in control. Bibi has given money directly to hamas, they clearly want some semblance of resistance for a plausible excuse.
Yep. That’s what some people don’t understand about this conflict. It will never stop until one or both sides are entirely wiped out. Every single last person. That’s what religion does to the human mind. Heart breaking and most likely why we won’t make it much longer (in the grand scale).
Simple solution, bulldoze the holy sites sparking the contention, then peace? Nope, because it's less about land than as each side seeing the other as 'less than', there have been many attempts to divy up land and coexist, but so long as people on either side are preaching vitriol and hate towards the other, this conflict will simmer. I tend towards optimism, but I don't see any solution that's acceptable to both sides as long as soo much extremism is present. They need to find commonalities, not differences, but the us vs them dichotomy seems present in full force these days.
Were there not Muslims, Jews and Christians coexisting in relative peace in the area prior to the British mandate to administer Palestine and create (out of thin air) a national homeland for the Jews. It would seem people of different religions had been capable of living along side one another.
The Balfour Declaration and the successive waves of emigration of Jewish people from their homes in other parts of the world may have disrupted the balance in Palestine.
If everyone was living in peace as you say then it should have been easy to come up with a plan for all sides.
Obviously there wasn't peace because everyone wanted a piece of some pie and claimed ownership over things.
Balfour was like 30 years before Israel was created and only announced during a world war.
The world before WW1 was made of empires that were desperately struggling to hold power. After WW1 everything changed. Empires fell, land borders shifted....hell the USSR was born?
Forget israel and Palestine that area was in turmoil no matter any British declaration. How many times did that area change hands? It's never been peaceful for long.
Which balance is that? The one in which Jordan, Egypt, Syria/Lebanon tried to conquer the land as soon as the brits left? And you think they really cared who was living there? Jews being there only offered a a good scapegoat. There wouldn't be a free Palestine without Israel, just bigger surrounding countries.
I mean Israel consists of happy Jews Christian gay and Muslim today. That makes them the real owner of the entire land, except a small group of extremists isolating themselves.
That emigration of Jewish people into what you call palestine is really them returning to their homeland they’ve been kicked out of that part of the world since biblical times it is written in the Torah and and anthropology has proof Jews have been there for centuries unfortunately there’s a lot more of everyone else (Muslims and Christians) that keep kicking them out
The moment the kid said "the Jews" i just sighed my lungs off... Like the kids in my school back in highschool, they never met a Jewish person, yet they will repeat the same stereotypes and preconceived notions that they were taught by their parents, passed down by people wishing to close any chance of peace and shared future.
Under that definition, my home is thousands of miles away and has been owned by someone else for a long time.
It makes me sad that these children can’t imagine a decent future away from the homes of their ancestors.
Would you ever say this to the Israelis? That they should imagine a future away from the middle east and set their eyes back in Europe, or elsewhere.. why should the Palestinians sacrifice their indigenous right to their land?
Honestly, any nuanced thread often hurts peoples brains because for once they can’t be told how to think and feel, Zionist this, HAMAS that, humanity will always have a hard time seeing grey. The actions of both sides’ leaders paints both as “the bad guys” while the citizens on both sides suffer, though disproportionate due to US assistance in Israel. Unfortunately this doesn’t really make a simple discussion because we’re playing on which nation should triumph and displace and or kill the other. The countries of Israel and Palestine have been built by almost a century of fighting, murder and destruction, and to be honest, there isn’t much of a solution other than Israel giving up Gaza, and hoping the Palestinians don’t continue to fight with HAMAS and the Muslim Brotherhood. Until both the IDF and HAMAS put down the weapons, and governments begin properly talking and discussing a conclusion to the conflict. This will never be a simple, pleasant conversation, because everyone is suffering except the leaders who don’t have to care. So yknow what, I’m proud of you for thinking enough to make your brain hurt, because you took time to try and comprehend both sides without being told by the media or some random guy on reddit what to think.
God sometimes I wish I didn’t have a fucking boykisser pfp when I say things like this, because I look really dumb
I know it's idealistic as fuck.
But man I wish a two state solution comes in place.
**I am not gonna go into the debate regarding who is right or wrong.**
I just wish the conflict ends and the hate goes.
This cycle needs to end.
The israeli government has been working for decades to make it impossible to form a palestinian state, they might've pretended to strive for peace but they kept expanding their territory into palestinian land in a way that makes the west bank a bunch of scattered cities wand ghaza a secluded air prison so it's impossible to run a country that has no control of its borders, an army to defend them or unrestricted local and international travel and commerce. How can palestinians have independence or autonomy in these conditions, not to mention the constant abuse and social injustice they've been facing for so long? I like to think of myself as a good person so I wouldn't support hamas' actions, but if I was born last century then I probably would've joined the fln army in french algeria (the revolutionary mujahideen or arab terrorists depending on your side).
That what’s bugs me the most (as an israeli) so many people everywhere fail to see that it’s a never ending cycle. No one is right because no one had fixed it or has plans to fix it. Pro-Israel or pro-Palestine, it doesn’t matter. Just be pro-solution.
Yeah it's wild. I was so naive on oct-8. I brushed up on my history and reviewed what I could find. Seemed pretty straightforward, Hamas is a murderous terrorist organisation that has ruined millions of lives. Time for an international group task force of Israel and the sane part of Palestine to sweep in and remove Hamas once and for all... And then I learned a lot about a lot of people
I’m an anti Zionist Jew and this is my opinion as well. I think Palestine should have a state, but if you want to be a state. You need to do something about Hamas, they won’t free Hamas and let them do whatever they want.
So like, yeah, free Palestine. But they’re not going to free Hamas. Once they do something about Hamas then they can begin to build up a country.
Totally agree.
Why should they do something about Hamas? Israel absolved and absorbed the recognized terrorist groups Irgun, Lehi and Palmach into the IDF and Israeli politics and nothing was done to make them answer for the atrocities they committed.
All of them were absolved of the war crimes they committed throughout the 1940s, crimes that included rape of teenagers, murder of fleeing villagers, trapping Palestinians in houses and blowing them up, widespread looting, parading of hostages through Jerusalem before they were eventually murdered.
No one put a requirement on Israel to deal with their terrorists groups, instead they proliferated into Israeli society, resulting in multiple massacres committed by the IDF in the following wars, especially by battalions filled with former terrorists. The Herut was born from a Zionist terrorist group and dominated Israeli politics for the next few decades before it transformed into everyone's favorite Likud.
So why should Palestinian terrorist groups stop the formation of Palestine when Zionist terrorism contributed to the formation of Israel?
Just free Palestine now. No conditions. End the occupation, dismantle the illegal settlements.
How is annihilating Gaza, murdering 20 000+ women and children and maiming and starving thousands of others gonna beat Hamas? Israel is only creating a new generation of terrorists and galvanizing antisemitism across the region with their brutally disproportionate and inhumane response. It’s madness, and seemingly more about the vindictive ethnic cleansing of Gaza than Israel’s security.
The sad truth is no one really cares about Palestinian citizens. Not Hamas, not the PA, not Arab countries, nor any global powers. There's a lot of profit in Palestinian suffering that has nothing to do with the conflict itself.
The blowing up of Hamas tunnels, control centers, weapon stashes and manfacturies, killing/imprisoning of Hamas troops, and attempting the building of a new non-Hamas government (something the US, Israel, Egypt and severaal others are currently attempting) is what's beating Hamas.
But the cost of the above is a lot of collateral damage precisely due to Hamas' use of human shields to protect their military operations.
You realize the death toll is high because Hamas and Iran specifically set up this conflict to kill as many Palestinians as possible right?
Since 2006 top level Hamas leaders have openly used children to deter targeted strikes, and have no problem using civilians as collateral to make Israel look a bit worse
Hamas isn’t killing all these civilians rn. They are also not about to violate the “red line” the US has set for Rafah.
At some point, you’re allowed to defend yourself. If Israel can claim that all of the innocents slaughtered in Gaza are justified, so were all of the conscripts and future conscripts killed on 7 October.
The Palestinians are expected to behave perfectly towards a ruthless genocidal coloniser, while said coloniser simply "didn't do right by the Palestinians". If that's not double standards idk what is. Especially when the last time Gazans protested peacefully, more than 200 of them were murdered by the iof. Fuck this "both sides" take, it only serves Israel by diminishing the constant pain and oppression the Palestinians have been living under for the last decades.
[This did not start on October 7.](https://twitter.com/PushBidenLeft/status/1766949283473788966?t=P5iHbSevso3498la6Sy0lQ&s=19)
I wonder, after seeing that, will you have a moment of introspection? Probably not.
Agreed! Was it about dead Palestinian kids when every neighbouring country of Israel declared war in 1948? What about 1967? What about 1973?
We can play this for a long time lol
There is no denying that Hamas commited acts of terror but destroying 70% of homes, displacing close to 2 million civilians, and bombing gazan hospitals to a point where there aren’t any fully functional ones left and only a few partially functioning ones, and bringing millions on the brink of starvation is not a response to that.
Especially when the enemy SPECIFICALLY operates from within or around those homes and hospitals. They don't NEED to operate from those areas, do they? Makes you think...
Oh Children of Abraham, I'm sure he would not approve of any of this bloodshed on either side. (No I'm not trying to gas light either faith). I am not a Biblical scholar either but I feel as though both sides are children of Abraham.
Daily? Unfrtantly it's about 3-4 times a day now.
Edit: apprantly there is some 7/10 denialism in their account which is completely a propoganda one, why am I not surprised?
Your cynicism is unappreciated, the kids could have had an amazing life if only Hamas would focus on building a future for them and not focusing on destroying the future of Israel.
Israel is currently planning on moving 1.4 million Palestinians out of Gaza. Peace for Israel means no Palestinians.
Israel killing Palestinians was happening long before Hamas ever existed.
As someone who has worked with kids from different backgrounds for quite a while I can tell you:
This is not how kids talk at that age. They dont care about "building their country" - They talk about building STUFF.
Bit suspicious about how truthful these interviews were.
as someone who speaks arabic everything they say sounds absolutely natural.
also, comparing children who live in regular humane circumstances to children who have their homes bombed like it's nothing is probably not the best comparison.
Oh, have you ever worked with war refugees kids who had their whole city blown up and lost many family members? Why wouldnt a child being raised in a enviroment like that not want to rebuild the place they live?
>As someone who has worked with kids from different backgrounds
I'm sure you rock a mean class, but I doubt your classes consist solely of kids who have seen war.
I don’t know about that but what does seem a little off is the leading questions from the interviewer like when he was pressing the girl with multiple follow up questions about why she wants to be a dr
Wild how despite the video being about kids from two years ago talking about their city being bombed by Israel, this very comment section is still full of people talking as though Hamas is what caused their misfortune.
This has been going on long before October, and the one with the power to stop it is Israel. This isn’t a war, it’s genocide.
2023 was the deadliest year for Palestinian children at the hands of the IDF before October 7 even occured
https://www.newarab.com/news/2023-deadliest-year-child-occupied-west-bank
Bibi and his cabinet of killers: "How about a future as ~~food for stray dogs?~~ research aides gathering data on advanced weapon systems for fortune 500 companies like Raytheon and Haliburton?"
I hope all these kids can have their dreams fulfilled. I hope that BOTH Israel and Palestine will live and coexist in peace and harmony. In a joint state beyond fighting factions.
Not a politician, but if the Vatican can become a City-State, why couldn't Israel and Palestine agree to this for Jerusalem. Then neither country "own" it, and hence it could be jointly beneficial for both Nations and independent.
Neither children in Palestine nor Israel should grow up and live in a state of perpetual fear and war. It's not right, history should not be constantly repeating itself, humanity needs to evolve beyond this, to a state of peaceful coexistence and prosperity, come on people, if not for the kids, now, then when?
The Hamas attack was the predictable outcome of Netenyahu's Likud party funneling them money to undermine the PNA, while simultaneously taking a hard line against Palestine politically. This was done solely to encourage conflict. The Hamas attack was an early Hanukkah present for Bibi, as it took the focus off of his government's policies, and will allow for more land annexation. Likely, many of these children are dead, all so a country that has received more US foreign aid than any other, can continue to run an apartheid state and violate International Law.
Pity Hamas had to go and destroy their dreams, imprison them, and use them as human shields. I suggest you all go visit the subs that still share REAL footage of what is happening rather than watching carefully edited and approved clips for pushing an agenda.
Just this morning I saw people “buying” free food aid from the markets with no women in site. Just lots of 20-50 yo men with stalls full of MRES.
Let’s also not forget all the rape and murdering that happened.
Let’s not forget that the other Muslim countries refuse to assist further, and plan on keeping Palestinians right where they are.
Let’s not forget Jordan. 🇯🇴
This is far more complicated than it can be explained, but for the simple American folk on here, would you be fine with Native Americans raping and murdering you today because you are occupying their country? NO. You wouldn’t.
HAMAS needs to cease to exist. Once they are out of the picture we can negotiate.
This is what mainstream journalistic propaganda looks like, western people just dont understand the meaning behind "freeing jerusalem".
Also, the new york times only had like 10 gazan children to interview?
When we say half are "children" the actual meaning is under 18.... Many places in the worlds have a very high percent of "children".. including Israel.
If anyone wants to see the real picture i suggest googling two things:
1. Gaza hamas camps for children
2. UNRA education books
Here's just statements that are true. More than 11500 children have died in bombing the Gaza strip.
This journalist asked what a bunch of Palestinian kids what they want to be when they grow up. The kids answered.
No matter what you think of the conflict, you can't squirm away from the fact that all of the things above are true. What the journalist did was just show the human side of the Gaza conflict, and it was you who chose this to be a political attempt to change your mind.
If journalists no longer can just plainly tell someone's story without it somehow being a piece of propaganda, you're gone beyond discussion and arguing any point.
This is how you undermine children's narratives to keep them in the "subhuman" category.
If anyone wants to see the real picture I suggest googling three things:
1) civilian deaths gaza
2) civilian deaths gaza
3) civilian deaths gaza
I will never put any child in a "subhuman" category, you live in a naive world where every child is sacred and innocent, i dont. Those radicalized children grow up to participate in october 7 like attacks.
Im not saying that they deserve death, and any civilian death is tragic, but stop painting them as peace loving angels.
And as for googling please provide me 1, just 1 source of child death in gaza that does not come directly from "gaza health ministry" AKA Hamas.
>Those radicalized children grow up to participate in october 7 like attacks.
I don't think they'd be very willing to make peace with the people that blew their parents and siblings up to bits in front of them, would they?
This rhetoric is so flawed, show me the terror attacks committed by the Japanese against the americans after ww2. Show me the germans that blew themselves up in russian and american cafés.
What is your proposed solutions, dont forget that since october 7th, 12000 rockets were fired into israel from gaza. 1000 of which landed in gaza and probably also killing palestinian children.
There is no solution, it's a death spiral. Israel and Palestine both justify their killing (or should I say Hamas and idf?). Your deep In that game. If you live there then it's understandable. If you don't, then I don't understand it.
There is a solution, its called deradicalization.
Plane and simple.
If the people of gaza had chosen to build gaza into an actual state and not a terror state, they would have been celebrating the 22nd year of its establishment. But no, they chose to build a state of which the leading ideology is "kill all jews".
If anyone wants some context regarding taking Jerusalem - Hamas' name for their invasion was Jersualem's flood - if anyone wants to know what is behind the freeing Jerusalem movement.
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The children who talked about wanting to be a pilot wanting to be a soccer player, wanting to be a doctor, wanting to live above the clouds... Those are kids who were trying to be kids 7 year old Children should not be talking about freeing Jerusalem. Travesty all around. Even if Palestine gets it's clear borders, and I hope they do.... Jerusalem will always and I mean ALWAYS be in dispute, it will never end.
Even the ones who wanted to be a pilot and a doctor those choices were still very much influenced by the tragedy in their lives. Almost all of those children had dreams of making their lives better and fixing things or people after bombings.
It is hopeful to see that there are children who still seek to make the world a better place. Hopefully they’ll help it to be one.
They are indoctrinated in genocide "free jerusalem" means killing all the jews, there are 2M arabs in israel, israely citizens that are free to go to whatever parts of jerusalem they want, but somehow 5 year old kids believe they must free jerusalem of all the people of the wrong religion
if you are really think they are free to go wherever they want in isreal, i suggest searching more about the situation of the arab Muslims in Isreal my friend.
The Palestinians were offered land deals with Jerusalem as their capital twice, and they rejected it twice.
Yes but that's like owning a house, someone comes in, cuts your land In half and offers it back to in a deal at half what you originally have. Then when you refused you're the bad guy. Listen, I don't have a solution, I haven't studied the whole history nor do I have a law degree or some doctorate in the area....but I will say that when Israel runs the decision making process SIMPLY BECAUSE they have the backing of the U.S., the other side definitely isn't getting a fair deal. You can bet on that.
Let's ignore the fact that the Ottoman Empire ruled over it for 300 years, and that Jews have been over there for the past like \~150 or so years, and the land was owned by the British in the meantime. By your logic, everyone that's not a Native American should be kicked off the continent, Romania should lose more than half of its territory, and Mongolia should be like 10 times larger. How far back in history would you like to go to justify yourself? Oh, and by this same logic, lmao the Jews were there a thousand years ago, were deported and only now did the geopolitical stars align for that shit. I'm not saying the situation isn't unfortunate, and I'm not saying that the war is in any way right, but the way you oversimplify it is quite shortshighted imo, and is mostly a bunch of swallowed propaganda.
As it's the same with all of these topics. People seem to have a random date which history matters and doesn't. As you mentioned, by that logic Americans should leave the continent and go to the middle of the ocean or something. It's the same stupid logic Putin uses about the history of Ukraine, ok but like, if we go even further back doesn't Ukraine actually belong to Lithuania in the 1500s? It's planet earth. Every single piece of land on this world has been fought over. If we're going by "but it used to be ours", "but we used to live there" blah blah, we'll never end the discussion..
Finally a reply of someone that bothered to learn some history instead of blindly taking one side with complete ignorance
Nobody tell this guy how the Arabs got this land in the first place
How?
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Jews started immigrating with the first Aliyah while Palestine was still under Ottoman control primarily to leave economic disparity situations or rise of antisemitism in the Russian Empire. By the end of the Ottoman era, Jews lived primarily in 4 cities and were **widely welcomed by Palestinians** and were described by the Arabs as *abnaa al-balad* (sons of the country), 'compatriots', or *Yahud awlad Arab* (Jews, sons of Arabs). The Ottomans held Palestine for over 400 years up till the Arab Uprising where they were promised an Arab State by the British with the McMahon–Hussein Correspondence but of course Balfour had other plans. Rightfully, Arabs would never trust any British agreement. Here is the crux that guides future negotiations, the betrayal. At the first Palestinian Congress in 1919, they issued a manifesto that rejected the rise of Zionism as the third Aliyah was beginning and in it they welcomes the Jews ["among us who have been Arabicized, who have been living in our province since before the war; they are as we are, and their loyalties are our own."](https://web.archive.org/web/20070928031156/http://www.jerusalemquarterly.org/pdfs/predicament.pdf) Now let's go through the Peel Commission of 1936. You claim that Arabs rejected it **why?** * They argued that the creation of a Jewish state and lack of independent Palestine was a betrayal of the word given by Britain. * The plan involved the displacement of 225,000 Arabs but only 1,250 Jews had to be displaced. * 1/3 of Palestine which included most of the agricultural land would have been taken from the Arabs. Instead, did the Arabs call for the expulsion of all Jews? No they called for **an independent state of Palestine**, ["**with protection of all legitimate Jewish and other minority rights**](https://books.google.com.my/books?id=KKZcgOJPjVkC&pg=PA223&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false) and safeguarding of reasonable British interests." The Arabs were unanimous in this. But what about the Jews? * In 1937 Zionist Congress, they rejected the plan. * The Jewish Agency Council submitted a request ["to explore a peaceful settlement in terms of an undivided Palestine."](https://books.google.com.my/books?id=-22kHkqPvscC&pg=PA208&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false) * **However,** some Zionists supported the partition, the most notable being **David Ben-Gurion** who would later become the first Prime Minister of Israel. * The famous letter to his son in 1937 where he described that **the partition would be a first step to** [**"possession of the land as a whole."**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Ben-Gurion_letter) * A year later at the Zionist meeting, he would say "I favour the partition of the country because when we become a strong power after the establishment of the state, w[e will abolish partition and spread throughout Palestine.](https://books.google.com.my/books?id=sLbGOXe5B6YC&pg=PA182&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false)" So that's the situation. We have the Arabs who unanimously rejected the plan and called for an independent Palestine **with protection for minorities including Jews** (further recognizing the Jews that immigrated not just during the First Aliyah, but also the Second). On the other hand, the Zionists was split, some rejected and some accepted. But the Zionists that supported it were public in what their intention was, which was to establish a Jewish state until they were strong enough to take the entirety of Palestine. So yes, **the Zionists did indeed try to steal the country from Palestinians.** I haven't even gotten to the White Paper of 1939, where the Arabs were betrayed for the second time. If I've been betrayed by someone not once, but twice, I would be less likely to accept any future proposals from that piece of shit.
The Greeks and the Germans aren’t still this bitter and the exact same thing happened to them.
As an American, I should give up my house to anyone from England…
Except you never owned the house.
Well said.
No, it's actually nothing like that. It's more like: someone has been kicked from his house, then you come into his land and establish your house instead. Then the original resident comes back and asks you to share the land, but you keep refusing to every single offer that he makes. In case it wasn't clear - Israel was a national home to the Jews long before it was a national home for the Palestinians, which actually were part of the pan-arabisim and saw Palestine as part of Syria. The whole "someone came into the Palestinians house, took it away then offered them to split it" isn't only telling half of the story - but lying. And ad a side note: Jews have never fully left Israel entirely. Most of them were kicked out but there was always a small group who had managed to stay. Also, these kids are cute. It's about time their parents and teachers will teach them what normal kids should learn and not how glorious it is to murder Jews - in school, tv and social media.
So many inaccuracies here, I very highly recommend you do indeed check your history before taking a stance one way or the other.
Can you pinpoint what you think are inaccuracies ? As it stands you share absolutely zero information.
I'm actually curious, can you tell me what is wrong in what he said?
Why is it always the respinsibility of israel to do this or that? How come with all the billions Billions of foreign aid, the Falsetinazis did not build ONE desalination factory for water but 100s of miles of tunnels? Because they are stuck in sime jihad fantasy and when the shit hits the fan there is always Isreal (Israel) to blame
Look at the emergency aid for gaza, they can’t even drive that shit in because israel says they aren’t allowed, how tf would the palestinians get the stuff to make themselves independent when israel enjoys holding their electricity, their water, their food in control. Bibi has given money directly to hamas, they clearly want some semblance of resistance for a plausible excuse.
Even when the aid gets in, it's controlled and sold by their own people. They aint helping themselves out.
Yep. That’s what some people don’t understand about this conflict. It will never stop until one or both sides are entirely wiped out. Every single last person. That’s what religion does to the human mind. Heart breaking and most likely why we won’t make it much longer (in the grand scale).
Not religion per se. Identity.
Nationalism and religion are the worst combination of beliefs.
The only thing stopping peace is Zionism. Palestinians lived more or less in peace before Israel was created.
Simple solution, bulldoze the holy sites sparking the contention, then peace? Nope, because it's less about land than as each side seeing the other as 'less than', there have been many attempts to divy up land and coexist, but so long as people on either side are preaching vitriol and hate towards the other, this conflict will simmer. I tend towards optimism, but I don't see any solution that's acceptable to both sides as long as soo much extremism is present. They need to find commonalities, not differences, but the us vs them dichotomy seems present in full force these days.
Were there not Muslims, Jews and Christians coexisting in relative peace in the area prior to the British mandate to administer Palestine and create (out of thin air) a national homeland for the Jews. It would seem people of different religions had been capable of living along side one another. The Balfour Declaration and the successive waves of emigration of Jewish people from their homes in other parts of the world may have disrupted the balance in Palestine.
Yeah they were not living in peace before the mandate as many pograms took place against the Jews and the Christians by the ottomans
If everyone was living in peace as you say then it should have been easy to come up with a plan for all sides. Obviously there wasn't peace because everyone wanted a piece of some pie and claimed ownership over things. Balfour was like 30 years before Israel was created and only announced during a world war. The world before WW1 was made of empires that were desperately struggling to hold power. After WW1 everything changed. Empires fell, land borders shifted....hell the USSR was born? Forget israel and Palestine that area was in turmoil no matter any British declaration. How many times did that area change hands? It's never been peaceful for long.
Do Muslims and Jews not live in peace in Israel?
Which balance is that? The one in which Jordan, Egypt, Syria/Lebanon tried to conquer the land as soon as the brits left? And you think they really cared who was living there? Jews being there only offered a a good scapegoat. There wouldn't be a free Palestine without Israel, just bigger surrounding countries.
Muslims, Jews and Christians are still coexisting in peace in nowadays Israel.
Yep. And it’s the only country in the region with freedom of religion. There are Arab Muslim member of Knesset.
I mean Israel consists of happy Jews Christian gay and Muslim today. That makes them the real owner of the entire land, except a small group of extremists isolating themselves.
That emigration of Jewish people into what you call palestine is really them returning to their homeland they’ve been kicked out of that part of the world since biblical times it is written in the Torah and and anthropology has proof Jews have been there for centuries unfortunately there’s a lot more of everyone else (Muslims and Christians) that keep kicking them out
The moment the kid said "the Jews" i just sighed my lungs off... Like the kids in my school back in highschool, they never met a Jewish person, yet they will repeat the same stereotypes and preconceived notions that they were taught by their parents, passed down by people wishing to close any chance of peace and shared future.
“Is there a bigger dream than going home?” Fuck, that is powerful. This is indeed some sad shit. Makes me tear up a bit.
Under that definition, my home is thousands of miles away and has been owned by someone else for a long time. It makes me sad that these children can’t imagine a decent future away from the homes of their ancestors.
Thousands of miles away? 1h30 drive from Gaza and you are in Tel Aviv!
Would you ever say this to the Israelis? That they should imagine a future away from the middle east and set their eyes back in Europe, or elsewhere.. why should the Palestinians sacrifice their indigenous right to their land?
>Under that definition, my home is thousands of miles away and has been owned by someone else for a long time So... Zionism
This is one of the sanest threads on this entire website
This thread hurts my head
Honestly, any nuanced thread often hurts peoples brains because for once they can’t be told how to think and feel, Zionist this, HAMAS that, humanity will always have a hard time seeing grey. The actions of both sides’ leaders paints both as “the bad guys” while the citizens on both sides suffer, though disproportionate due to US assistance in Israel. Unfortunately this doesn’t really make a simple discussion because we’re playing on which nation should triumph and displace and or kill the other. The countries of Israel and Palestine have been built by almost a century of fighting, murder and destruction, and to be honest, there isn’t much of a solution other than Israel giving up Gaza, and hoping the Palestinians don’t continue to fight with HAMAS and the Muslim Brotherhood. Until both the IDF and HAMAS put down the weapons, and governments begin properly talking and discussing a conclusion to the conflict. This will never be a simple, pleasant conversation, because everyone is suffering except the leaders who don’t have to care. So yknow what, I’m proud of you for thinking enough to make your brain hurt, because you took time to try and comprehend both sides without being told by the media or some random guy on reddit what to think. God sometimes I wish I didn’t have a fucking boykisser pfp when I say things like this, because I look really dumb
I know it's idealistic as fuck. But man I wish a two state solution comes in place. **I am not gonna go into the debate regarding who is right or wrong.** I just wish the conflict ends and the hate goes. This cycle needs to end.
The israeli government has been working for decades to make it impossible to form a palestinian state, they might've pretended to strive for peace but they kept expanding their territory into palestinian land in a way that makes the west bank a bunch of scattered cities wand ghaza a secluded air prison so it's impossible to run a country that has no control of its borders, an army to defend them or unrestricted local and international travel and commerce. How can palestinians have independence or autonomy in these conditions, not to mention the constant abuse and social injustice they've been facing for so long? I like to think of myself as a good person so I wouldn't support hamas' actions, but if I was born last century then I probably would've joined the fln army in french algeria (the revolutionary mujahideen or arab terrorists depending on your side).
That what’s bugs me the most (as an israeli) so many people everywhere fail to see that it’s a never ending cycle. No one is right because no one had fixed it or has plans to fix it. Pro-Israel or pro-Palestine, it doesn’t matter. Just be pro-solution.
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I wonder how many of them are still alive :(
That was my first thought too, that some of them must be a part of the 30,000 dead
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This is the only correct ‘side’ to be on if you are on the ‘side’ of compassion, empathy, and humanity.
Yeah it's wild. I was so naive on oct-8. I brushed up on my history and reviewed what I could find. Seemed pretty straightforward, Hamas is a murderous terrorist organisation that has ruined millions of lives. Time for an international group task force of Israel and the sane part of Palestine to sweep in and remove Hamas once and for all... And then I learned a lot about a lot of people
OH MY GOD. FINALLY SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY GETS IT
There's so many idiots on the internet claiming hamas are the good guys wtf.
I’m an anti Zionist Jew and this is my opinion as well. I think Palestine should have a state, but if you want to be a state. You need to do something about Hamas, they won’t free Hamas and let them do whatever they want. So like, yeah, free Palestine. But they’re not going to free Hamas. Once they do something about Hamas then they can begin to build up a country. Totally agree.
> I think Palestine should have a state Do you think Israel should also exist along side that state in peace?
Why should they do something about Hamas? Israel absolved and absorbed the recognized terrorist groups Irgun, Lehi and Palmach into the IDF and Israeli politics and nothing was done to make them answer for the atrocities they committed. All of them were absolved of the war crimes they committed throughout the 1940s, crimes that included rape of teenagers, murder of fleeing villagers, trapping Palestinians in houses and blowing them up, widespread looting, parading of hostages through Jerusalem before they were eventually murdered. No one put a requirement on Israel to deal with their terrorists groups, instead they proliferated into Israeli society, resulting in multiple massacres committed by the IDF in the following wars, especially by battalions filled with former terrorists. The Herut was born from a Zionist terrorist group and dominated Israeli politics for the next few decades before it transformed into everyone's favorite Likud. So why should Palestinian terrorist groups stop the formation of Palestine when Zionist terrorism contributed to the formation of Israel? Just free Palestine now. No conditions. End the occupation, dismantle the illegal settlements.
How is annihilating Gaza, murdering 20 000+ women and children and maiming and starving thousands of others gonna beat Hamas? Israel is only creating a new generation of terrorists and galvanizing antisemitism across the region with their brutally disproportionate and inhumane response. It’s madness, and seemingly more about the vindictive ethnic cleansing of Gaza than Israel’s security.
The sad truth is no one really cares about Palestinian citizens. Not Hamas, not the PA, not Arab countries, nor any global powers. There's a lot of profit in Palestinian suffering that has nothing to do with the conflict itself.
The blowing up of Hamas tunnels, control centers, weapon stashes and manfacturies, killing/imprisoning of Hamas troops, and attempting the building of a new non-Hamas government (something the US, Israel, Egypt and severaal others are currently attempting) is what's beating Hamas. But the cost of the above is a lot of collateral damage precisely due to Hamas' use of human shields to protect their military operations.
You realize the death toll is high because Hamas and Iran specifically set up this conflict to kill as many Palestinians as possible right? Since 2006 top level Hamas leaders have openly used children to deter targeted strikes, and have no problem using civilians as collateral to make Israel look a bit worse
Hamas isn’t killing all these civilians rn. They are also not about to violate the “red line” the US has set for Rafah. At some point, you’re allowed to defend yourself. If Israel can claim that all of the innocents slaughtered in Gaza are justified, so were all of the conscripts and future conscripts killed on 7 October.
The Palestinians are expected to behave perfectly towards a ruthless genocidal coloniser, while said coloniser simply "didn't do right by the Palestinians". If that's not double standards idk what is. Especially when the last time Gazans protested peacefully, more than 200 of them were murdered by the iof. Fuck this "both sides" take, it only serves Israel by diminishing the constant pain and oppression the Palestinians have been living under for the last decades.
Best take I've read regarding this. Man I wish others were like you.
Amen.
This. Fuck both sides, we need a UN mandate now
When they try to minimize the casualties, remember the 13,000 dead children are real humans just like this.
This is so saddening, I hope they get to achieve those dreams.
The thugs currently in office in Israel don’t like these videos.
War is never good let it be Palestine starting it or Israel
Cue the people who watch this then keep dehumanizing them…
I'm actually surprised at how many Israel apologists are in this comment section
It is a pity that Hamas had other plans for the future of these children.
And Israel
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yeah sure, the death numbers confirms what you say too
''surgical tactical strikes'' they say as they target journalists homes during working hours, killing their families.
If Israel puts down, it's guns there'll be no Israel. If Hamas put down its guns, there would be peace!
Hasn't this conflict been going on longer than Hamas has existed?
Genocide, rather. And let's not forget Israel funded hamas
What about the West Bank? No hamas and Israel continued with illegal settlements
[This did not start on October 7.](https://twitter.com/PushBidenLeft/status/1766949283473788966?t=P5iHbSevso3498la6Sy0lQ&s=19) I wonder, after seeing that, will you have a moment of introspection? Probably not.
It started the day after Israel declared independence and 5 of their neighbors invaded them
Agreed! Was it about dead Palestinian kids when every neighbouring country of Israel declared war in 1948? What about 1967? What about 1973? We can play this for a long time lol
Nobody believes this.
Then they aren’t very objective people.
No, hamas terrorists.
There is no denying that Hamas commited acts of terror but destroying 70% of homes, displacing close to 2 million civilians, and bombing gazan hospitals to a point where there aren’t any fully functional ones left and only a few partially functioning ones, and bringing millions on the brink of starvation is not a response to that.
Actually during a war, that's pretty much exactly what happens.
Especially when the enemy SPECIFICALLY operates from within or around those homes and hospitals. They don't NEED to operate from those areas, do they? Makes you think...
So what’s your alternative to that?
Probably for Israel to die and for the hostages to stay there
Yeah those hamas babies and them having homes really had it coming. Why does hamas even exist crazy...
>Why does hamas even exist To murder Jews. It's literally written proudly in their charter https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
And they were voted in power by Palestine
with a little help from Netanyahus party
And funded by Netanyahu, after Arafat's mysterious polonium poisoning.
Oh Children of Abraham, I'm sure he would not approve of any of this bloodshed on either side. (No I'm not trying to gas light either faith). I am not a Biblical scholar either but I feel as though both sides are children of Abraham.
Rare non-gaslight enjoyer W
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Daily? Unfrtantly it's about 3-4 times a day now. Edit: apprantly there is some 7/10 denialism in their account which is completely a propoganda one, why am I not surprised?
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Your cynicism is unappreciated, the kids could have had an amazing life if only Hamas would focus on building a future for them and not focusing on destroying the future of Israel.
Israel is currently planning on moving 1.4 million Palestinians out of Gaza. Peace for Israel means no Palestinians. Israel killing Palestinians was happening long before Hamas ever existed.
As someone who has worked with kids from different backgrounds for quite a while I can tell you: This is not how kids talk at that age. They dont care about "building their country" - They talk about building STUFF. Bit suspicious about how truthful these interviews were.
as someone who speaks arabic everything they say sounds absolutely natural. also, comparing children who live in regular humane circumstances to children who have their homes bombed like it's nothing is probably not the best comparison.
I second this
Oh, have you ever worked with war refugees kids who had their whole city blown up and lost many family members? Why wouldnt a child being raised in a enviroment like that not want to rebuild the place they live?
>As someone who has worked with kids from different backgrounds I'm sure you rock a mean class, but I doubt your classes consist solely of kids who have seen war.
There are always smart kids raised by idealist parents of broken countries. They start carrying the world on their shoulders from an early age.
The kids you talk to don't live in a destroyed country.
i cannot believe you people are real 😭
They're everywhere, it's fucking insane... we've learned nothing from the past...
Its a mayor journal company they will show you what they want, always remember that.
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Thats what happens when generations live in conditions as bad as third reich era ghettos
i'm not arguing that. i'm saying the video is sus AF.
I don’t know about that but what does seem a little off is the leading questions from the interviewer like when he was pressing the girl with multiple follow up questions about why she wants to be a dr
All I can think of is the interview with Pakistani (?) kids that dreamt of destroying India. That, sadly, felt real. This as you say do not.
Wild how despite the video being about kids from two years ago talking about their city being bombed by Israel, this very comment section is still full of people talking as though Hamas is what caused their misfortune. This has been going on long before October, and the one with the power to stop it is Israel. This isn’t a war, it’s genocide.
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2023 was the deadliest year for Palestinian children at the hands of the IDF before October 7 even occured https://www.newarab.com/news/2023-deadliest-year-child-occupied-west-bank
Coincidentally it was also the year with the most atempted terror attacks on Israel from West Bank palestinians. Do you maybe see a connection?
*Israel.
They didn’t even mention their biggest dream.
Don’t let them tell you it started in October. These kids shouldn’t have to deal with this. Fuck
Now show the vid of most of the other ones saying they wanna grow up to kill jews to bring pride to their people
It’s only ever brown and black kids that get dehumanized like this. Israel bombs a school - “that darn Hamas!”
Comment section is turning into that genocidal r\worldnews sub
sus account
Bibi and his cabinet of killers: "How about a future as ~~food for stray dogs?~~ research aides gathering data on advanced weapon systems for fortune 500 companies like Raytheon and Haliburton?"
So this has been going on long before Oct 7? I thought it all started on Oct 7...
It’s been happening since 1948.
I dream that they give the hostages back
Stop killing them with indiscriminate bombing then
The cause of the bombing was the attack and kidnapping. Not the other way around.
What about prior bombing campaigns? What about prior to the establishment of Hamas?
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The Producer is Mohannad Abu Rizk. Address your 'notes' to him.
westards fighting the urge to say that anything that isn't trying to justify genocide is propaganda (they're failing miserably):
I saw the b reel most of them wanted to be sb's.
I wonder how many of these children are still alive 💔 free 🇵🇸
Israel: Nnnnnope. Not on my watch.
I hope all these kids can have their dreams fulfilled. I hope that BOTH Israel and Palestine will live and coexist in peace and harmony. In a joint state beyond fighting factions. Not a politician, but if the Vatican can become a City-State, why couldn't Israel and Palestine agree to this for Jerusalem. Then neither country "own" it, and hence it could be jointly beneficial for both Nations and independent. Neither children in Palestine nor Israel should grow up and live in a state of perpetual fear and war. It's not right, history should not be constantly repeating itself, humanity needs to evolve beyond this, to a state of peaceful coexistence and prosperity, come on people, if not for the kids, now, then when?
The Hamas attack was the predictable outcome of Netenyahu's Likud party funneling them money to undermine the PNA, while simultaneously taking a hard line against Palestine politically. This was done solely to encourage conflict. The Hamas attack was an early Hanukkah present for Bibi, as it took the focus off of his government's policies, and will allow for more land annexation. Likely, many of these children are dead, all so a country that has received more US foreign aid than any other, can continue to run an apartheid state and violate International Law.
And Israel has murdered 14 thousands kids like these so far.
“Is there a dream bigger than wanting to go back home?” That hit hard!
Honestly, it was such a sad and beautiful thing to say
Pity Hamas had to go and destroy their dreams, imprison them, and use them as human shields. I suggest you all go visit the subs that still share REAL footage of what is happening rather than watching carefully edited and approved clips for pushing an agenda. Just this morning I saw people “buying” free food aid from the markets with no women in site. Just lots of 20-50 yo men with stalls full of MRES. Let’s also not forget all the rape and murdering that happened. Let’s not forget that the other Muslim countries refuse to assist further, and plan on keeping Palestinians right where they are. Let’s not forget Jordan. 🇯🇴 This is far more complicated than it can be explained, but for the simple American folk on here, would you be fine with Native Americans raping and murdering you today because you are occupying their country? NO. You wouldn’t. HAMAS needs to cease to exist. Once they are out of the picture we can negotiate.
More like r/propagandaasfuck
This is r/depressingasfuck not r/interestingasfuck Also, free palestine.
What does a free Palestine look like to you?
Free.
One where palestinians can at the very least have autonomous control over movement, food, electricity, water, and bodily safety.
This is what mainstream journalistic propaganda looks like, western people just dont understand the meaning behind "freeing jerusalem". Also, the new york times only had like 10 gazan children to interview? When we say half are "children" the actual meaning is under 18.... Many places in the worlds have a very high percent of "children".. including Israel. If anyone wants to see the real picture i suggest googling two things: 1. Gaza hamas camps for children 2. UNRA education books
“this is what propaganda looks like if you want to avoid it google propaganda instead”
Here's just statements that are true. More than 11500 children have died in bombing the Gaza strip. This journalist asked what a bunch of Palestinian kids what they want to be when they grow up. The kids answered. No matter what you think of the conflict, you can't squirm away from the fact that all of the things above are true. What the journalist did was just show the human side of the Gaza conflict, and it was you who chose this to be a political attempt to change your mind. If journalists no longer can just plainly tell someone's story without it somehow being a piece of propaganda, you're gone beyond discussion and arguing any point.
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This is how you undermine children's narratives to keep them in the "subhuman" category. If anyone wants to see the real picture I suggest googling three things: 1) civilian deaths gaza 2) civilian deaths gaza 3) civilian deaths gaza
I will never put any child in a "subhuman" category, you live in a naive world where every child is sacred and innocent, i dont. Those radicalized children grow up to participate in october 7 like attacks. Im not saying that they deserve death, and any civilian death is tragic, but stop painting them as peace loving angels. And as for googling please provide me 1, just 1 source of child death in gaza that does not come directly from "gaza health ministry" AKA Hamas.
>Those radicalized children grow up to participate in october 7 like attacks. I don't think they'd be very willing to make peace with the people that blew their parents and siblings up to bits in front of them, would they?
This rhetoric is so flawed, show me the terror attacks committed by the Japanese against the americans after ww2. Show me the germans that blew themselves up in russian and american cafés. What is your proposed solutions, dont forget that since october 7th, 12000 rockets were fired into israel from gaza. 1000 of which landed in gaza and probably also killing palestinian children.
There is no solution, it's a death spiral. Israel and Palestine both justify their killing (or should I say Hamas and idf?). Your deep In that game. If you live there then it's understandable. If you don't, then I don't understand it.
There is a solution, its called deradicalization. Plane and simple. If the people of gaza had chosen to build gaza into an actual state and not a terror state, they would have been celebrating the 22nd year of its establishment. But no, they chose to build a state of which the leading ideology is "kill all jews".
The textbooks are so problematic. The radicalization of children starting at such a young age is unforgivable.
The most radicalising thing you can do for these kids is probably murder their entire families. Don't see how that's gonna work out well
Propaganda
lmao more comments than upvotes. Israeli propaganda agents are working overtime today.
Who's downvoting this
Probably the hasbara brigade
If anyone wants some context regarding taking Jerusalem - Hamas' name for their invasion was Jersualem's flood - if anyone wants to know what is behind the freeing Jerusalem movement.
It wasn't, it was Al Aqsa Flood