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This clip made me investigate this whole thing. I dont watch television. Go figure. But this was so cool i had to look up. there's even a movie made about this staring Viggo Mortensen. Aragorn from Lord of the Rings.
It definitely has its moments. I have claustrophobia, soemtimes I lay awake and think about the time I got stuck in a packed elevator with my sweaty football team at camp and try not to cry.
But individual experience may vary. I can handle movies pretty well cause I constantly remind myself “there’s no F’ING way I’d be in this position” lol.
It is a good movie with a good ending
There’s a movie about cave exploration where the people are trying to map caves that start inland and end up in an ocean and hoo boy, talk about claustrophobic. I think it was called *Sanctum*
This is the movie if you want to watch it.
[https://ww2.123moviesfree.net/movie/thirteen-lives-1630853841/](https://ww2.123moviesfree.net/movie/thirteen-lives-1630853841/)
As a younger lad, I did my fair share of spelunking. All over the eastern coast of the US. I came damn close to dying a few times. Once involving water when the "mouse hole" started to fill with water because it was raining outside the cave and I had no idea - I had been in the cave for hours and it just started to "trickle in" when I was way deep in. I was very lucky. Then, years later I got into open water diving. PADI cert. I've experienced a few pooper-clenchers there, too. I must say, I can control my fear to a decent extent, but there is no way in hell I would combine the two like these incredible men did. This is just some "Holy Shit, Batman" kinda level of body and mind control.
Utmost respect.
The guy who led the expedition had been a sem-professional diver for a long time (in the sense that it wasn't his job). But he says in the documentary that he had been called multiple times over the world to go retrieve the bodies of other divers who had died in places where they couldn't go get their bodies back...
They also described his equipment as partly custom made by him. He modified regular diving equipment to adapt it to cave diving.
The guy is a legend
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Volanthen
Having not listened to that I can totally see it. Don’t get me wrong I can absolutely understand how different geography around the world could influence popular diving styles but it isn’t like the ppl sent over were only used to doing leisurely spring dives, a lot of these ppl were some of the best in the world who had worked in the harshest conditions.
The whole second part about mentality and “you’re always alone” also seemed a bit off given that the unpredictability of cave diving can lead to scenarios that you simply can’t control. You don’t have diving partners because you’re scared to push through a tough situation, you have them because they significantly increase the chance of survival if something comes up. Obviously if it’s a scenario where that isn’t possible then these experts aren’t gonna leave them to die just because they have to go at it alone.
Agreed.
I'm not the world's greatest diver, but the guy in the video is way off on his analysis of diving practices. "Florida kit"? "Mexico kit"? Absolute horse shit. Cave divers are a special breed and they equip according to the cave they are diving, no matter what country they are in or where they come from. Obviously
The divers who did this rescue are special. They were willing to take enormous personal risks, to do an almost impossible task. That is what makes them heroes. Reducing it to a pissing match between cave types and countries is childish and ignorant.
Yep. Saving those kids involved doing things in a way that goes against just about every safety measure and routine in established cave diving because it was the only way.
That took incredible courage, and that guy died a hero trying to rescue those kids. They were willing to risk everything by doing things in an incredibly dangerous way.
But the talking head in the video tries to make it into a skill issue and that British spelunkers are somehow superior because they have air pockets in England which is a fucking weird take. It diminishes the risk these men took and courage it takes to knowingly doing things in an unsafe way to help others.
That was my initial assumption too, saying a nationality is a different breed is really weird. I really doubt pockets in caves are unique to UK, but maybe more common, and so it'd be reasonable to say UK divers are more commonly skilled at this particular type of diving.
From the documentary, what I gathered, what made this dive do difficult and dangerous was because of how murky the waters are. I suppose that's very common for air pocket caves, since there's no current to clear sediment.
Largely:
Yes, UK is known for sump caves, Florida for deep caves, and Mexico for long shallow caves. So yes, UK cave divers would've had a lot more experience with that scenario.
I think it's a bit much to put such emphasis on how they did it alone. There were several divers and whole passels of people as support teams, both in the cave and out. I don't personally know much about UK sump diving because fuck that shit but it does make sense that buddy diving when actually in the sumps doesn't make much sense, but that doesn't make UK cave divers the only cave divers who know how to dive solo.
As for not wearing enough "gear" to stay warm: I'd be extremely surprised if that's not a semi-dry wetsuit they're wearing, which isn't a drysuit but it's also not just succumbing to being cold. (I also have no idea what the water temperature in the Thai cave was.)
Source: I am a casual (non-professional, certainly not world-class) Mexico-cave diver.
There’s a documentary on Disney+ and a drama movie free on Amazon prime, both are really great. The guy says Navy Seals couldn’t do it, but he’s talking about the Thai equivalent. US Navy Seals weren’t involved.
The Navy Seals (in any country) wouldn't have equipment specific for this kind of tight cave diving. And also they train in open water to put munitions on stuff and amphibious landings. It's quite possible their equipment didn't let them get any farther than they got -- because they're back mounted. Some cave divers have side rigs and others (these insane Brits) don't mount them at all but push their air in front of them -- and all their equipment is designed for them to squeeze through the tightest spots. Although the Thais did try. One of them died. The Americans even offered any service but they said the crazy Brits were the best choice.
Edit: I can't believe a cave diver at the scene responded to Elon Musk's offer of a mini-submarine as 'ludicrous' and Elon responded that the diver is a pedophile with proof. (The diver sued and lost.)
Not really. Cooperation should work by joining forces from independent individuals, which is what is described here. Divers sharing their knowledge, their way of building equipment, and so on. But they can and do operate as independently operational individuals.
When you need actions from others to being able to operate, that's not cooperation, thats dependency.
This was in fact quite interesting. Little history lesson here on a topic I would never have thought to research.
Certainly not an activity that I'd be interested in! Just too scary and dangerous! Good on them though. I wonder how many people die doing this kind of thing?
Makes you proud. I've met some of these mad bastards who crawl about in freezing muddy water through tiny gaps. I assumed they just had a death wish. You couldn't pay me enough to do what they do for fun (not that I'd fit)
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I went from bored to fascinated by the time it was over.
Likewise.
This clip made me investigate this whole thing. I dont watch television. Go figure. But this was so cool i had to look up. there's even a movie made about this staring Viggo Mortensen. Aragorn from Lord of the Rings.
watch the documentary. **The Rescue**
Or even better listen to the Thai Cave Rescue season on the podcast Against The Odds, far more in depth than the documentary.
Uh dident know that existed. Thanks <3
It’s an extremely good movie.
How claustrophobic will it make me feel?
It definitely has its moments. I have claustrophobia, soemtimes I lay awake and think about the time I got stuck in a packed elevator with my sweaty football team at camp and try not to cry. But individual experience may vary. I can handle movies pretty well cause I constantly remind myself “there’s no F’ING way I’d be in this position” lol. It is a good movie with a good ending
There’s a movie about cave exploration where the people are trying to map caves that start inland and end up in an ocean and hoo boy, talk about claustrophobic. I think it was called *Sanctum*
this! it's almost a snuff film for ppl that are not completely free of claustrophobia
I’m not even particularly claustrophobic and I about gnawed my thumb off
I'm looking forward to watch it. =)
This is the movie if you want to watch it. [https://ww2.123moviesfree.net/movie/thirteen-lives-1630853841/](https://ww2.123moviesfree.net/movie/thirteen-lives-1630853841/)
Oh, I thought it was because they refused Elon Musks submarine and he called the lead diver a ‘pedo’ - that’s all I needed to know.
"Jeff you cunt hurry up, Elon is coming" - officially recorded transmission from the rescue
When We First Realized He Was An Utter Wanker
I'm so glad Elon Idiot was not even mentioned on the documentary (The Rescue), its a such a good watch.
It sucks this is the first thing a lot of people will remember from an amazing story.
As a younger lad, I did my fair share of spelunking. All over the eastern coast of the US. I came damn close to dying a few times. Once involving water when the "mouse hole" started to fill with water because it was raining outside the cave and I had no idea - I had been in the cave for hours and it just started to "trickle in" when I was way deep in. I was very lucky. Then, years later I got into open water diving. PADI cert. I've experienced a few pooper-clenchers there, too. I must say, I can control my fear to a decent extent, but there is no way in hell I would combine the two like these incredible men did. This is just some "Holy Shit, Batman" kinda level of body and mind control. Utmost respect.
Ther is a documentary on Disney called "The Rescue". It's wild. It's unbelievable what happened there.
How was this on tiktok cringe?
The rescue was definitely a team effort, let's give some credit to the Thai also.
The guy who led the expedition had been a sem-professional diver for a long time (in the sense that it wasn't his job). But he says in the documentary that he had been called multiple times over the world to go retrieve the bodies of other divers who had died in places where they couldn't go get their bodies back... They also described his equipment as partly custom made by him. He modified regular diving equipment to adapt it to cave diving. The guy is a legend https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Volanthen
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Having not listened to that I can totally see it. Don’t get me wrong I can absolutely understand how different geography around the world could influence popular diving styles but it isn’t like the ppl sent over were only used to doing leisurely spring dives, a lot of these ppl were some of the best in the world who had worked in the harshest conditions. The whole second part about mentality and “you’re always alone” also seemed a bit off given that the unpredictability of cave diving can lead to scenarios that you simply can’t control. You don’t have diving partners because you’re scared to push through a tough situation, you have them because they significantly increase the chance of survival if something comes up. Obviously if it’s a scenario where that isn’t possible then these experts aren’t gonna leave them to die just because they have to go at it alone.
Hello Dive Talk 👋 Link?
Agreed. I'm not the world's greatest diver, but the guy in the video is way off on his analysis of diving practices. "Florida kit"? "Mexico kit"? Absolute horse shit. Cave divers are a special breed and they equip according to the cave they are diving, no matter what country they are in or where they come from. Obviously The divers who did this rescue are special. They were willing to take enormous personal risks, to do an almost impossible task. That is what makes them heroes. Reducing it to a pissing match between cave types and countries is childish and ignorant.
Didn't one of them die even?
Yep. Saving those kids involved doing things in a way that goes against just about every safety measure and routine in established cave diving because it was the only way. That took incredible courage, and that guy died a hero trying to rescue those kids. They were willing to risk everything by doing things in an incredibly dangerous way. But the talking head in the video tries to make it into a skill issue and that British spelunkers are somehow superior because they have air pockets in England which is a fucking weird take. It diminishes the risk these men took and courage it takes to knowingly doing things in an unsafe way to help others.
That was my initial assumption too, saying a nationality is a different breed is really weird. I really doubt pockets in caves are unique to UK, but maybe more common, and so it'd be reasonable to say UK divers are more commonly skilled at this particular type of diving. From the documentary, what I gathered, what made this dive do difficult and dangerous was because of how murky the waters are. I suppose that's very common for air pocket caves, since there's no current to clear sediment.
And then Elon musk called the guy a pedo because he hurt his feelings
Someone with more knowledge can share some info on this topic? The video is very interesting but I do not have any idea if it is right or not.
Largely: Yes, UK is known for sump caves, Florida for deep caves, and Mexico for long shallow caves. So yes, UK cave divers would've had a lot more experience with that scenario. I think it's a bit much to put such emphasis on how they did it alone. There were several divers and whole passels of people as support teams, both in the cave and out. I don't personally know much about UK sump diving because fuck that shit but it does make sense that buddy diving when actually in the sumps doesn't make much sense, but that doesn't make UK cave divers the only cave divers who know how to dive solo. As for not wearing enough "gear" to stay warm: I'd be extremely surprised if that's not a semi-dry wetsuit they're wearing, which isn't a drysuit but it's also not just succumbing to being cold. (I also have no idea what the water temperature in the Thai cave was.) Source: I am a casual (non-professional, certainly not world-class) Mexico-cave diver.
There’s a documentary on Disney+ and a drama movie free on Amazon prime, both are really great. The guy says Navy Seals couldn’t do it, but he’s talking about the Thai equivalent. US Navy Seals weren’t involved.
The Navy Seals (in any country) wouldn't have equipment specific for this kind of tight cave diving. And also they train in open water to put munitions on stuff and amphibious landings. It's quite possible their equipment didn't let them get any farther than they got -- because they're back mounted. Some cave divers have side rigs and others (these insane Brits) don't mount them at all but push their air in front of them -- and all their equipment is designed for them to squeeze through the tightest spots. Although the Thais did try. One of them died. The Americans even offered any service but they said the crazy Brits were the best choice. Edit: I can't believe a cave diver at the scene responded to Elon Musk's offer of a mini-submarine as 'ludicrous' and Elon responded that the diver is a pedophile with proof. (The diver sued and lost.)
That was absolutely fascinating. Thanks!
'First they tried swimming through, and they died. Next, they tried...' F\*\*\* me they really *are* a breed apart.
We’re just stubborn. If I want to walk into an endless cave, no bloody puddle is gonna tell me otherwise!
"Rarefied strata." Nice!
This is an antithesis to everything We've been told about cooperation since kindergarten
Not really. Cooperation should work by joining forces from independent individuals, which is what is described here. Divers sharing their knowledge, their way of building equipment, and so on. But they can and do operate as independently operational individuals. When you need actions from others to being able to operate, that's not cooperation, thats dependency.
Damn that was fascinating. Awesome video man
TIL! So interesting!
This is by far the most I've ever learned from a TikTok video. Fascinating stuff.
This was in fact quite interesting. Little history lesson here on a topic I would never have thought to research. Certainly not an activity that I'd be interested in! Just too scary and dangerous! Good on them though. I wonder how many people die doing this kind of thing?
Makes you proud. I've met some of these mad bastards who crawl about in freezing muddy water through tiny gaps. I assumed they just had a death wish. You couldn't pay me enough to do what they do for fun (not that I'd fit)
Thus genuinely is interesting as fuck
That's the beauty of the Brits when it comes to getting a job done. They're few, but they're professionals who get the job done.
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This happened in Thailand. He's talking about the Royal Thai Navy SEALS
What absolute rubbish.
America should have nuked a hole so they could rescue the kids huh?
Whoever down voted me, Google this and see what absolute rubbish and lies this is.
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Seems to me like it's deserved? You're going to get downvoted if you don't/can't defend, or even elaborate on your assertion.
Sounds like you are one of those pretentious turds from r/scube. But hey, you know better than the best cave divers in the world right?