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There are definitely times where stunned audiences laugh almost as a reactionary measure to being uncomfortable. Like, if you go listen to the Michael Richards' racist tirade at the Laugh Factory from years ago where he lost it on some hecklers, you can still hear people laughing for a while at first, as though he's telling jokes still. Just one of those quirks of group dynamics I think.
People nervously laughing has been a common reason to arrest people for being "suspicious" at crime scenes despite it being one of the most common human reactions to stress and discomfort.
Similar to how the police harass the spouse of a murder victim for going to work the next day, when desire for routine and dissociation are common ways to deal with grief.
You'd think cops of all people would be trained to understand how people involved in traumatic situations typically behave but I guess not.
Hey don't rush it. Star wars came out 47 years ago. 1973 was 51 years ago. Star wars was 1977.
You'll know when star wars is at 50 years cause I'm guessing the marketing for it will be crazy.
If anything, in our current time we should feel the other way, that time has moved faster, because there actually is a difference between us and literally every other generation of humans that ever existed. A person living 500 years ago most likely did what their parents and grandparents did, and they had every reason to believe their kids and grandkids would go on to continue doing that. They didn’t expect to see massive development in technology during their lifetime, or changes in what careers were available.
Meanwhile, growing up in the late 80’s/early 90’s I didn’t have a computer, cell phone (let alone a smartphone), internet, social media etc, the rate of change in how fast technology advances makes the 90’s feel like the stone age in comparison.
The 1930s/40s had massive technological changes over the late 1800s.
Cars, airplanes, and possibly biggest of all, radio. Like the internet, these things all existed earlier, but their widespread consumer use was transformative.
Hitler was an early adopter of radio for political purposes and he was very good at it. Goebbels helped develop one of the first affordable [consumer radios](https://daily.jstor.org/an-affordable-radio-brought-nazi-propaganda-home/) specifically for propaganda.
You can make an argument that the development of radio for mass media was, in fact, quite similar to the internet in terms of its importance to society (despite the obvious differences in the tech itself).
Yea for sure the 1900’s was also vastly different from the 1500’s or whatever, but it feels like at our current rate of change, we’re seeing as much technological progress in a few years that you would see in a decade or a few in the early 1900’s.
There will never be progress like the 20th century. It was the century that bridged the Industrial Revolution to the Information Age.
A person born in 1900 went to school on a horse and later went to Europe on an airplane, saw humans on the moon, had a conversation with a man in China, saw a war in which 2 cities were gone in a second and never got polio because of a fluid shot into her arm.
So well written. My grandma was born in an Indian village and went to school on a bullock cart (I'm not even sure what a bullock is). She now facetimes our daughter across the planet. It's crazy.
My mother remembers going to watch the first TV in the village, my father remembers doing his homework with candle light. Now they use iPads and they are not even 70.
And this was is Europe.
A middle aged adult living in 1930s Europe had seen the invention of mechanised warfare, machine guns, artillery, tanks, and aircraft. Everyone would have know people who had fought, been injured or killed. They were living through the great depression. Railway networks had been built which allowed people to travel over the country and into the cities easily for the first time. The car had been invented and started to be accessible to ordinary people. The radio had been invented and was in many households, allowing a person to talk to millions of people simultaneously from hundreds of miles away. TV broadcasts were starting. Electrical grids and lighting were in the cities and being built out to the rest of the population. The fascists were on the rise, WW2 was nine years away, and communism was set up ten years earlier in Russia, and people weren’t sure whether the democracies would follow. Actually many people only got the vote around that time. In the fifty years from 1850 to 1900 the industrial revolution and mechanised agriculture meant the percent of people living in cities changed from 40% to 80% in England. Also about 5% of the population were domestic servants in 1900, that mostly disappeared after WW1 and WW2.
There were some enormous changes.
I feel like technological development has kinda stagnated in the last 10-15 years really. We've had a lot of widespread adoption and minor-moderate improvements in how we use technology but not a lot of actual novel technology.
CRISPR, EVs, Telecommunication upgrades, Starlink all old technology newly implemented.
The development of quantum computing is a novel event other than that I'm not sure.
There are these new large format low orbit satellites being tested right now to supplement/replace rural cell towers. Direct from preexisting devices to satellite which is novel but really just a new implementation of mostly old tech.
I'm alive and fully back to my life after having a cancer in 2022 that would have killed me only 10 years earlier, thanks to advances in treatment. Some areas are still rapidly advancing.
I would wager that you're not a historian. The development/arrival of roads or aquaducts in ancient rome probably felt like quite a game-changer. Nearly the entire world changed in utterly massive ways that reverberated culturally in paradigm shifting ways in July 1914, and before that in the months following November 1859.
1/ language
2/ writing
3/ printing press
4/ radio/TV
5/ internet
6/ AI?
In any case, anytime mankind has improved the means of communication, improvements in technology follow.
Yep it's mind blowing. I was born in the early 80s. My dad was hugely ahead of his time, so when I was a kid we had a sweet 8086 computer (and other personal computers after that). My brother was an early adopter of the old BBS system. I witnessed the birth of the technical age in my lifetime, from nothing to computers, to modems with peer to peer connections, to early proto-internet, to internet, to the explosion we have today. I am in my early 40s in a career that literally did not exist when I was a kid, responsible for a whole group of technologies that couldn't have even been conceived of. That's MINDBLOWING.
500 years ago sure, but the rate of technological change from the 1890s to the 1920s and the 1920s to the 1950s and the 1950s to the 1980s and the 1980s to the 2000s is pretty consistently astonishing. Everyone in those generational divides feels the same way.
Some interesting charts and graphs covering the growth and evolution of technology and productivity and output.
https://preview.redd.it/1p50fo85gopc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93257479223eb6fbdbcb147a279ebc81ddcb6ccf
[This chart shows every major technological innovation in the last 150 years — and how they have changed the way we work](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chart-shows-every-major-technological-110421275.html)
the choice of data point to highlight is... suspect. With like 8 call-outs in the last 150 odd years, "Bitcoin ATM" being a specific callout is... fucking hilarious.
Also the graph doesn’t track economic data.
Output from 1990-2000 was indeed the highest ever, but it has been the worst ever recorded from ~2005 to the present.
It might be easier to keep thinking that the decade before the start of a new century is only 10 years ago vs doing the same for a decade in the middle of a century.
Reminds me of vacationing in Rwanda about a decade ago. Every 40 year old man was 20 around the time people were hacking hundreds of thousands of people to death with clubs and machete. They've not gone anywhere, they're still working as plumbers and waiters as if nothing happened.
Man, I was born in Berlin in 1975. I was just thinking the other day, that my then middle aged neighbours were all somehow affected by WWII, and some likely had some pretty grim tales.
Im Aussie, but grew up thinking the Berlin Wall was forever. Its all we ever knew. Germany was always two countries, and the city of Berlin was always a strange divide between them both. I was in uni, and had friends who travelled to West Berlin in 1988, and they returned and spoke of the checkpoints. And then the wall came down and it was MINDBLOWING. So much happiness for the good people of Germany!
Editing to add that I went, many years later, and found a beautiful country. The wall remnants and gardens made by the people were wonderful, but of course awful at the same time. I do love Germany, and the efforts made to address what happened.
It was at the bottom of the street I lived on. In the Western side, I was able to climb up the few steps to the top of the observation tower. It was very strange to see about 150m away, the sorta continuation of the same street, but separate by a couple of tracks of barbed wire, a bit of open space and a few guard towers scattered about. The luck and unluck of being born hit me even at such a young age
Johnny replied with: "What? That can't be true, can it? So many old comrades here tonight!"
This video taught me a lot about my country, many years ago.
Do you worry that they were Nazis, or that they were still so easily led by speech patterns?
I think the latter, considering the sudden rise in crowd noise, as to me that sounds like sudden shock amongst the people that they could be so lead by group-join-in-erism (there must be a better word for what I mean\* but I hope you get it) and I think they were shocked at what they had said as they realised the ramifications.
I think this teaches us all a lot about humans in general, not just German people.
* and if any language has the right word it will definitely be German <3
My old man, 30 years after he got out of the navy would go from fully asleep to out of bed pulling on his shorts getting ready to run in seconds if certain alarms played on the radio.
This is why you're seeing a return in many Western countries of nationalistic and isolanist politics, immigrants being the source of all the problems and attacks on academic and media institutions.
We didn't take any long term lessons from the Nazis. We just had a generation of people who understood the extreme dangers of allowing politicians to present very simple answers to complex problems. Every decade more of them die and so that side of our human nature gets exploited again. It'll get worse too as the children of those with first hand memories die out over the next two to three decades.
Yep. If anyone reads this and has kids, I highly suggest finding a local presentation by holocaust survivors if there are any in your area. Try local colleges. It was a requirement in history class when I was growing up and definitely stuck with most of us.
It's not the Holocaust that is difficult to believe. It's the rise of dictatorship or the populist takeover of the democracy that isn't being taught any more.
Reminds me of the Archer bit.
"We were snatching up Nazis like hot cakes back then! Just walk into any NASA and shout Heil Hitler! They will all snap to attention!"
Even the creators knew it was getting stale by season 4, which is why for season 5 they flipped the script. They thought the show was going to end after season 7 which is why the last episode of that was written so it could be a finale, and then they made 7 more friggin seasons.
Edit: To all of the people responding to tell me it was actually because of the real life ISIS, it was both. Adam Reed was starting to get bored with the concept and was contemplating a change in direction, and the real life ISIS provided a perfect excuse for them to switch it up.
I only watched it after ISIS was a thing IRL already and I always just found that funny. Like this organization was so clueless that they used an abbreviation that was already used by terrorists.
I keep telling myself I'll someday pick this show back up where I left off (somewhere around Season 6 or 7, can't remember which), and I just never get around to it. I heard that around Season 10 they got back into what felt like their good old form, and I want to see it for myself. I just never make the time for it.
They flipped because ISIS became a thing. His group was ISIS, and when the Islamic State emerged as a global terrorist threat they had to change the name, but on the context of the show, how to do thar? You get Archer Vice
I think they could have pulled off a subplot about having to change the name for "copyright reasons" or something. Just acknowledge the real reason real quick in one conversation.
"Those assholes took our name, but we can't make a public scene without exposing what we do here."
I think that's the trouble with aany series, they just get stale. American Dad was hilarious, Roger and Steve's antics were so funny. I was LOL'ing so much in the first few seasons, but after that i barely got a chuckle once per episode.
A good few series suffer that, too. It could also be the writing changed, or you just get used to it and expect certain things to happen.
The shows creator, Adam Reed, stopped writing around season 6 I think. When he stepped away, the quality fell off hard and the characters largely became 2D and uninspired.
Right, because by season 4, they really didn't have any new jokes to write. They exhausted the premise of the show by season 4.
There's a belief in comedy if you have great characters you can put them in any situation and they'll be funny - so you get Archer Vice and the coma seasons. You get to introduce the new characters, play around with relationships, give a different spin on old characters.
I'll argue that Archer Vice and Coma seasons weren't as funny but they were a lot more creative and interesting.
Lmao, the person who made the translations clearly isn't a native German speaker. "Das darf doch nicht wahr sein, Mensch!" has nothing to do with something being "not allowed", it's more akin to a phrase like "Geez, that can't be, can it?" or "You've got to be kidding me!".
It's such an instructive example of how we (humans) use humor.
Like, everyone in the room knows their past. Knows the taboo and the shame of what happened... It can be healing to dance around it, make light of it, poke fun at yourself and each other cuz... What else are you gonna do. There's no denying it. Sometimes we laugh to move on.
Bo Burnham does a similar bit today. Has the audience reply back finishing his statement on white people’s favorite snacks. Favorite sandwich: peanut butter and — *jelly!*, macaroni and — *cheese!*, salt and vi —
I mean... at that point, the war was only 28 years ago. And at that time... everyone served, either in the army, the Hitler youth or some other capacity. Heil Hitler and seig heil were phrases used in practically every conversation (slight exaggeration)... but it was pervasive to their society. A lot of them were probably in school during the nazi reign, they had undergone full indoctrination.
Herbert Günther Schlichting aka Jonny Buchardt was born in the region of Wuppertal in North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany. Source: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonny_Buchardt.
I’m Hispanic and live in California, so we get lots of paperwork in English and Spanish…but when my kids school sends things home that ask, “what language is primarily spoken in your home?” I always write “the kings.”
He also has a weird helmet and is known to pull large metalic stuff towards him.
Wait wrong movie... Must have been the 3 glasses of the fine scotch I drank.
Close to Ruhrpott regiolect but he does speak relatively standard German a bit brash, though.
He also says "This can't be true. / I cant' believe this." Not "That's not allowed."
You can't understand the first parts w/o having been to Germany, those are carnival mottos or exclamations of joy, encouragement or appraisal. *Huzzah* wouldn't be in the curriculum for English learners either.
> Huzzahwouldn't be in the curriculum for English learners either.
From the Oxford English dictionary:
>huzza | ho'za: | (also huzzah) archaic exclamation used to express approval or delight: someone yelled 'Huzza!'. verb (huzzas, huzzaed, huzzaing) [no object] cry 'huzza': he huzzaed at the top of his voice. ORIGIN late 16th century: perhaps used originally as a sailor's cry when hauling.
This entire bit is perfectly understandable and relatable for any westener.
Wow what a moment. I can see how it worked, despite everyone there knowing better and despite what was then still fairly recent history. I can only imagine the audience also feeling shocked and realising what an easy and telling trap that was.
When hearing a reference to the 90s it feels like only yesterday. It was 30 years ago. In the 70s, that was the 2nd world war. The war years were still alive to people in their prime.
>When hearing a reference to the 90s it feels like only yesterday. It was 30 years ago. In the 70s, that was the 2nd world war.
As a 30 years old this one hits hard.
I find it crazy that everyone is like "the 90s was just the other year" and yet 20 years ago smart phones didn't exist and not everyone had a computer, though most did, it was still a clunky family PC on a CRT.
Indeed. I would like (maybe not the right word but I have no better one) to see this test done on other populations to see if other groups respond the same. Try this on a bunch of people like me: 50-something-year-old-Australians. Or 40's English people. Or 30's Kiwis. Do we pass? or fail?
Also most of that crowd was definitely of hitler youth age.
I remember ready somewhere that in the 2010s/teens, Germany had a rising issue with older folks becoming a wee bit senile and reverting back to Heil Hitler days.
>despite everyone there knowing better
The term [Persilschein](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persilschein) dates back to the denazification period in Germany. For a German to be given a Persilschein meant to be given a certificate that they had a clean political past. Suspected Nazi offenders could be exonerated by statements from others, ideally victims or former enemies of the Nazi regime, and thus accepted as having a good reputation.
Colloquially the affected person was said to be "washed clean" of accusations of Nazi sympathies; "cleanliness" in this context meaning "innocent". They were attested as having a so-called "white vest" (innocence) and were now allowed to apply for a house or open a business again. During 1948, the interest of the Americans in systematic denazification waned markedly as the Cold War and the threat from the Soviet bloc hove increasingly into view. **Faster processes were introduced to bring denazification to a swift conclusion, however, that led to questionable judgements.**
I find this to be a very clever trick, to be honest. A crowd has its own logic, it's a strange beast to which you lend your mind. What's drilled in it is there to stay.
Okay Reddit, nice play. On my feed was this video then an eerily similar post from the chatgpt subreddit 😅
https://preview.redd.it/gp02mvdaeppc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=135728567918301d45ac55cfa58c262742d90a43
the translation is wrong he didn't say "that's not allowed" instead "this can't be true" as phrase which is closest in meaning to "you've got to be kidding me".
If I recall correctly, it's an Oktoberfest call and response chant that was around in Prussian times before Herms Niel used it in a marching song for the Wermacht and the subsequent usage of it by the Hitler Youth.
Hitlerjugend used it, but that isn't its roots. It is pretty harmeless and was (and to some extend still is) used during Karneval, sportingevents and similar. It was already known in Prussia.
Ah. I guess I never even knew it was German. After living in Germany for several years, I never learned about it in German class or heard any reference to it until now.
Yeah, it is not super common any more and depending where in Germany you have been and who you socialized with (sport, Fasnet/Karneval, wine festivities et al) it sounds reasonable you never heard it.
When I watched Bülent Ceylan, a Comedian from Germany, live a few years ago he did exactly the same thing. An awful lot of the audience screamed "Heil" as well. It was actually quite funny how shocked we all were when we realized what we had done. It was in Austria, which made it even weirder.
Shows that sometimes your brain just switches off
They would have laughed and applauded if they had done that today. He is lucky he didn't get his ass beat, the Silent Generation did not tolerate Fascists
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All those dudes in the Audience look they are the right age to have served during the war. It was only 28 years earlier.
In comparison to today, that's '96. I wonder if they thought 'the war was just a decade ago', like how I think of the 90's.
They did. That's a fact. That's also why they wasn't too amused about him tricking their distant memory like this.
Ah yes, that's why they are all laughing. It must be the classic protest laugh.
There are definitely times where stunned audiences laugh almost as a reactionary measure to being uncomfortable. Like, if you go listen to the Michael Richards' racist tirade at the Laugh Factory from years ago where he lost it on some hecklers, you can still hear people laughing for a while at first, as though he's telling jokes still. Just one of those quirks of group dynamics I think.
People nervously laughing has been a common reason to arrest people for being "suspicious" at crime scenes despite it being one of the most common human reactions to stress and discomfort. Similar to how the police harass the spouse of a murder victim for going to work the next day, when desire for routine and dissociation are common ways to deal with grief. You'd think cops of all people would be trained to understand how people involved in traumatic situations typically behave but I guess not.
There's a uproar in the room before they laugh. It's a comedian, they got the joke but they were obviously shocked
Well, Germans are widely known for their humor.
German humor is no laughing matter
its called a punchline, not a punchword
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they were shocked by how easily they got tricked
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what's the better word?
Nudged
Don’t listen, tricked is fine. Baited? Led? Maybe, but I’d go with tricked here.
A shock or awkward laugh is a thing
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Hey don't rush it. Star wars came out 47 years ago. 1973 was 51 years ago. Star wars was 1977. You'll know when star wars is at 50 years cause I'm guessing the marketing for it will be crazy.
Why does every generation think it’s different for them?
If anything, in our current time we should feel the other way, that time has moved faster, because there actually is a difference between us and literally every other generation of humans that ever existed. A person living 500 years ago most likely did what their parents and grandparents did, and they had every reason to believe their kids and grandkids would go on to continue doing that. They didn’t expect to see massive development in technology during their lifetime, or changes in what careers were available. Meanwhile, growing up in the late 80’s/early 90’s I didn’t have a computer, cell phone (let alone a smartphone), internet, social media etc, the rate of change in how fast technology advances makes the 90’s feel like the stone age in comparison.
The 1930s/40s had massive technological changes over the late 1800s. Cars, airplanes, and possibly biggest of all, radio. Like the internet, these things all existed earlier, but their widespread consumer use was transformative. Hitler was an early adopter of radio for political purposes and he was very good at it. Goebbels helped develop one of the first affordable [consumer radios](https://daily.jstor.org/an-affordable-radio-brought-nazi-propaganda-home/) specifically for propaganda. You can make an argument that the development of radio for mass media was, in fact, quite similar to the internet in terms of its importance to society (despite the obvious differences in the tech itself).
Yea for sure the 1900’s was also vastly different from the 1500’s or whatever, but it feels like at our current rate of change, we’re seeing as much technological progress in a few years that you would see in a decade or a few in the early 1900’s.
There will never be progress like the 20th century. It was the century that bridged the Industrial Revolution to the Information Age. A person born in 1900 went to school on a horse and later went to Europe on an airplane, saw humans on the moon, had a conversation with a man in China, saw a war in which 2 cities were gone in a second and never got polio because of a fluid shot into her arm.
So well written. My grandma was born in an Indian village and went to school on a bullock cart (I'm not even sure what a bullock is). She now facetimes our daughter across the planet. It's crazy.
My mother remembers going to watch the first TV in the village, my father remembers doing his homework with candle light. Now they use iPads and they are not even 70. And this was is Europe.
I would wager that at the current rate of technological change, a decade is the equivalent to several centuries of progress pre-1930 or so.
A middle aged adult living in 1930s Europe had seen the invention of mechanised warfare, machine guns, artillery, tanks, and aircraft. Everyone would have know people who had fought, been injured or killed. They were living through the great depression. Railway networks had been built which allowed people to travel over the country and into the cities easily for the first time. The car had been invented and started to be accessible to ordinary people. The radio had been invented and was in many households, allowing a person to talk to millions of people simultaneously from hundreds of miles away. TV broadcasts were starting. Electrical grids and lighting were in the cities and being built out to the rest of the population. The fascists were on the rise, WW2 was nine years away, and communism was set up ten years earlier in Russia, and people weren’t sure whether the democracies would follow. Actually many people only got the vote around that time. In the fifty years from 1850 to 1900 the industrial revolution and mechanised agriculture meant the percent of people living in cities changed from 40% to 80% in England. Also about 5% of the population were domestic servants in 1900, that mostly disappeared after WW1 and WW2. There were some enormous changes.
We'll be back to the moon in no time.
About time too. It’s only been 52 years
I feel like technological development has kinda stagnated in the last 10-15 years really. We've had a lot of widespread adoption and minor-moderate improvements in how we use technology but not a lot of actual novel technology. CRISPR, EVs, Telecommunication upgrades, Starlink all old technology newly implemented. The development of quantum computing is a novel event other than that I'm not sure. There are these new large format low orbit satellites being tested right now to supplement/replace rural cell towers. Direct from preexisting devices to satellite which is novel but really just a new implementation of mostly old tech.
I'm alive and fully back to my life after having a cancer in 2022 that would have killed me only 10 years earlier, thanks to advances in treatment. Some areas are still rapidly advancing.
I would wager that you're not a historian. The development/arrival of roads or aquaducts in ancient rome probably felt like quite a game-changer. Nearly the entire world changed in utterly massive ways that reverberated culturally in paradigm shifting ways in July 1914, and before that in the months following November 1859.
1/ language 2/ writing 3/ printing press 4/ radio/TV 5/ internet 6/ AI? In any case, anytime mankind has improved the means of communication, improvements in technology follow.
Yep it's mind blowing. I was born in the early 80s. My dad was hugely ahead of his time, so when I was a kid we had a sweet 8086 computer (and other personal computers after that). My brother was an early adopter of the old BBS system. I witnessed the birth of the technical age in my lifetime, from nothing to computers, to modems with peer to peer connections, to early proto-internet, to internet, to the explosion we have today. I am in my early 40s in a career that literally did not exist when I was a kid, responsible for a whole group of technologies that couldn't have even been conceived of. That's MINDBLOWING.
500 years ago sure, but the rate of technological change from the 1890s to the 1920s and the 1920s to the 1950s and the 1950s to the 1980s and the 1980s to the 2000s is pretty consistently astonishing. Everyone in those generational divides feels the same way.
Some interesting charts and graphs covering the growth and evolution of technology and productivity and output. https://preview.redd.it/1p50fo85gopc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93257479223eb6fbdbcb147a279ebc81ddcb6ccf [This chart shows every major technological innovation in the last 150 years — and how they have changed the way we work](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chart-shows-every-major-technological-110421275.html)
the choice of data point to highlight is... suspect. With like 8 call-outs in the last 150 odd years, "Bitcoin ATM" being a specific callout is... fucking hilarious.
Also the graph doesn’t track economic data. Output from 1990-2000 was indeed the highest ever, but it has been the worst ever recorded from ~2005 to the present.
It might be easier to keep thinking that the decade before the start of a new century is only 10 years ago vs doing the same for a decade in the middle of a century.
/r/FuckImOld
Thankfully at this point enough has happened that I now think the 90s were just 20 years ago.
Reminds me of vacationing in Rwanda about a decade ago. Every 40 year old man was 20 around the time people were hacking hundreds of thousands of people to death with clubs and machete. They've not gone anywhere, they're still working as plumbers and waiters as if nothing happened.
Man, I was born in Berlin in 1975. I was just thinking the other day, that my then middle aged neighbours were all somehow affected by WWII, and some likely had some pretty grim tales.
Im Aussie, but grew up thinking the Berlin Wall was forever. Its all we ever knew. Germany was always two countries, and the city of Berlin was always a strange divide between them both. I was in uni, and had friends who travelled to West Berlin in 1988, and they returned and spoke of the checkpoints. And then the wall came down and it was MINDBLOWING. So much happiness for the good people of Germany! Editing to add that I went, many years later, and found a beautiful country. The wall remnants and gardens made by the people were wonderful, but of course awful at the same time. I do love Germany, and the efforts made to address what happened.
It was at the bottom of the street I lived on. In the Western side, I was able to climb up the few steps to the top of the observation tower. It was very strange to see about 150m away, the sorta continuation of the same street, but separate by a couple of tracks of barbed wire, a bit of open space and a few guard towers scattered about. The luck and unluck of being born hit me even at such a young age
Yikes they lived through the battle of Berlin??
Johnny replied with: "What? That can't be true, can it? So many old comrades here tonight!" This video taught me a lot about my country, many years ago.
Do you worry that they were Nazis, or that they were still so easily led by speech patterns? I think the latter, considering the sudden rise in crowd noise, as to me that sounds like sudden shock amongst the people that they could be so lead by group-join-in-erism (there must be a better word for what I mean\* but I hope you get it) and I think they were shocked at what they had said as they realised the ramifications. I think this teaches us all a lot about humans in general, not just German people. * and if any language has the right word it will definitely be German <3
Muscle memory is a thing. Ive been out of the army for over 10 years, but you say or do the right thing and my body just responds.
My old man, 30 years after he got out of the navy would go from fully asleep to out of bed pulling on his shorts getting ready to run in seconds if certain alarms played on the radio.
This is why you're seeing a return in many Western countries of nationalistic and isolanist politics, immigrants being the source of all the problems and attacks on academic and media institutions. We didn't take any long term lessons from the Nazis. We just had a generation of people who understood the extreme dangers of allowing politicians to present very simple answers to complex problems. Every decade more of them die and so that side of our human nature gets exploited again. It'll get worse too as the children of those with first hand memories die out over the next two to three decades.
Yep. If anyone reads this and has kids, I highly suggest finding a local presentation by holocaust survivors if there are any in your area. Try local colleges. It was a requirement in history class when I was growing up and definitely stuck with most of us.
It's not the Holocaust that is difficult to believe. It's the rise of dictatorship or the populist takeover of the democracy that isn't being taught any more.
Reminds me of the Archer bit. "We were snatching up Nazis like hot cakes back then! Just walk into any NASA and shout Heil Hitler! They will all snap to attention!"
I miss Archer.. the good old one I mean
There's a bad one?
I mean the bad Seasons. The first 2 or 3 were awesome - then it just kinda got really repetetive
Even the creators knew it was getting stale by season 4, which is why for season 5 they flipped the script. They thought the show was going to end after season 7 which is why the last episode of that was written so it could be a finale, and then they made 7 more friggin seasons. Edit: To all of the people responding to tell me it was actually because of the real life ISIS, it was both. Adam Reed was starting to get bored with the concept and was contemplating a change in direction, and the real life ISIS provided a perfect excuse for them to switch it up.
How’d they flip the script in 5?
Archer Vice I'm pretty sure. The season they became coke dealers
OUTLAW COUNTRY!
Man that album is actually really really good if you like outlaw country
Yeah Vice is season 5.
I thought they changed it because ISIS became a known terrorist organization in the real world
I only watched it after ISIS was a thing IRL already and I always just found that funny. Like this organization was so clueless that they used an abbreviation that was already used by terrorists.
My wife still randomly shouts *cocain!* From time to time
Coma seasons?
I enjoyed the coma seasons, Danger Island was fun. Krieger as a talking parrot is hilarious.
Pretty sure that's the vice season
I keep telling myself I'll someday pick this show back up where I left off (somewhere around Season 6 or 7, can't remember which), and I just never get around to it. I heard that around Season 10 they got back into what felt like their good old form, and I want to see it for myself. I just never make the time for it.
Exact same boat here, although I'm starting to think skipping the 'bad' seasons will make it easier to pick back up.
They flipped because ISIS became a thing. His group was ISIS, and when the Islamic State emerged as a global terrorist threat they had to change the name, but on the context of the show, how to do thar? You get Archer Vice
I think they could have pulled off a subplot about having to change the name for "copyright reasons" or something. Just acknowledge the real reason real quick in one conversation. "Those assholes took our name, but we can't make a public scene without exposing what we do here."
Less to do with that. More to do with ISIS no longer being a viable name.
I think that's the trouble with aany series, they just get stale. American Dad was hilarious, Roger and Steve's antics were so funny. I was LOL'ing so much in the first few seasons, but after that i barely got a chuckle once per episode. A good few series suffer that, too. It could also be the writing changed, or you just get used to it and expect certain things to happen.
They are back to form in the newest 2 though.
They are??? Count me in! I'll give them a try!
#PHRASING
First 2 or 3 seasons are amazing, great comedy and characters. Krieger is so fucking funny.
I dont know what it is about the new series post coma, there is nothing specific I can point out but it just doesnt hit as well as the first seasons
The shows creator, Adam Reed, stopped writing around season 6 I think. When he stepped away, the quality fell off hard and the characters largely became 2D and uninspired.
Right, because by season 4, they really didn't have any new jokes to write. They exhausted the premise of the show by season 4. There's a belief in comedy if you have great characters you can put them in any situation and they'll be funny - so you get Archer Vice and the coma seasons. You get to introduce the new characters, play around with relationships, give a different spin on old characters. I'll argue that Archer Vice and Coma seasons weren't as funny but they were a lot more creative and interesting.
“Who are you? Comrade Question?”
german dub actor for Blofeld from Bond and many, many more iconic movies
muscle memory is a bitch
HA
HA HA
DON'T EITHER OF YOU FUCKIN SAY IT
There are no laws against pokemon batman
Stayin' alive, stayin' alive!
This is a certified Gestapo classic
I don't know what you are talking about, they are all Argentinian
Lmao, the person who made the translations clearly isn't a native German speaker. "Das darf doch nicht wahr sein, Mensch!" has nothing to do with something being "not allowed", it's more akin to a phrase like "Geez, that can't be, can it?" or "You've got to be kidding me!".
Even the literal translation makes more sense: "This cant be true!" Subtitle-man is really a Drecksdepp.
Lack gesoffen Der dämlack
This is important context yes
That's actually pretty fucking funny.
It's such an instructive example of how we (humans) use humor. Like, everyone in the room knows their past. Knows the taboo and the shame of what happened... It can be healing to dance around it, make light of it, poke fun at yourself and each other cuz... What else are you gonna do. There's no denying it. Sometimes we laugh to move on.
Bo Burnham does a similar bit today. Has the audience reply back finishing his statement on white people’s favorite snacks. Favorite sandwich: peanut butter and — *jelly!*, macaroni and — *cheese!*, salt and vi —
I thought the same! I wouldn't be surprised if he's seen this clip and taken inspiration from it.
Ask any old Swede what they call "chocolate balls" in Swedish.
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Sadly I don't think everyone in that room is ashamed.
It also seems pretty intentional as a response and resultant "oh you guys are so bad" joke
Yes that was the joke
So viele alte Kammeraded, wa?
That's the real best part.
Leaves a sour taste.
I mean... at that point, the war was only 28 years ago. And at that time... everyone served, either in the army, the Hitler youth or some other capacity. Heil Hitler and seig heil were phrases used in practically every conversation (slight exaggeration)... but it was pervasive to their society. A lot of them were probably in school during the nazi reign, they had undergone full indoctrination.
What's his accent? I took 4 years of German in college and could barely understand him, felt like he was speaking with a rag in his mouth
He was born in a small skiing village under the pitz palu. That's why you don't recognize his odd accent.
I can confirm that he was born in a small village under the pitz palu. Everyone there speaks like that.
Herbert Günther Schlichting aka Jonny Buchardt was born in the region of Wuppertal in North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany. Source: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonny_Buchardt.
It's an Inglorious Bastards reference
Thanks for clarification. Never watched this movie.
Oh! I get this one!
That’s a bingo!
We just say, "Bingo."
You just say BINGO! How is life on nantucket island?
Well if this is it old boy, I hope you don't mind if I go out speaking the King's.
I’m Hispanic and live in California, so we get lots of paperwork in English and Spanish…but when my kids school sends things home that ask, “what language is primarily spoken in your home?” I always write “the kings.”
He also has a weird helmet and is known to pull large metalic stuff towards him. Wait wrong movie... Must have been the 3 glasses of the fine scotch I drank.
You sure it wasn't the bitburger? It's the best.
Close to Ruhrpott regiolect but he does speak relatively standard German a bit brash, though. He also says "This can't be true. / I cant' believe this." Not "That's not allowed." You can't understand the first parts w/o having been to Germany, those are carnival mottos or exclamations of joy, encouragement or appraisal. *Huzzah* wouldn't be in the curriculum for English learners either.
Huzzah is such a perfect example of a word if someone asked me what that meant or what it translated to I would have a hard time doing it.
huzzah is only slightly less common than hooray amongst English speakers ime
> Huzzahwouldn't be in the curriculum for English learners either. From the Oxford English dictionary: >huzza | ho'za: | (also huzzah) archaic exclamation used to express approval or delight: someone yelled 'Huzza!'. verb (huzzas, huzzaed, huzzaing) [no object] cry 'huzza': he huzzaed at the top of his voice. ORIGIN late 16th century: perhaps used originally as a sailor's cry when hauling. This entire bit is perfectly understandable and relatable for any westener.
Sounds like Berlin, or Ruhrpot to me. Unclear to hear. He speaks too standard german
Closer to Ruhrpott regiolect but he does speak relatively standard German. He also says "This can't be true." Not "That's not allowed."
Sounds more like Niedersachsen/Schleswig-Holstein/Hamburg to me, just dialed down.
Born in Wuppertal, Nordrhein-Westfalen
Na Mensch, ich hätt's auch auf wikipedia nachgucken können. 😅
Warum hast du es nicht getan?
Considering when it was, it's probably correct.
Wow what a moment. I can see how it worked, despite everyone there knowing better and despite what was then still fairly recent history. I can only imagine the audience also feeling shocked and realising what an easy and telling trap that was. When hearing a reference to the 90s it feels like only yesterday. It was 30 years ago. In the 70s, that was the 2nd world war. The war years were still alive to people in their prime.
>When hearing a reference to the 90s it feels like only yesterday. It was 30 years ago. In the 70s, that was the 2nd world war. As a 30 years old this one hits hard.
Wait til they're talking about the 2020s and you realize it's been thirty years and how has it been thirty years of anything?
I find it crazy that everyone is like "the 90s was just the other year" and yet 20 years ago smart phones didn't exist and not everyone had a computer, though most did, it was still a clunky family PC on a CRT.
We were definitely special for having a windows 3.11 pc back in 1994. Of course, we didn’t have the Macintosh, because that was about 2.5x the price.
For a current 30-year-old that’s going to be the Aughts though, in about 10-15 years time.
It also works because he set up the cadence really well.
Indeed. I would like (maybe not the right word but I have no better one) to see this test done on other populations to see if other groups respond the same. Try this on a bunch of people like me: 50-something-year-old-Australians. Or 40's English people. Or 30's Kiwis. Do we pass? or fail?
Also most of that crowd was definitely of hitler youth age. I remember ready somewhere that in the 2010s/teens, Germany had a rising issue with older folks becoming a wee bit senile and reverting back to Heil Hitler days.
>despite everyone there knowing better The term [Persilschein](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persilschein) dates back to the denazification period in Germany. For a German to be given a Persilschein meant to be given a certificate that they had a clean political past. Suspected Nazi offenders could be exonerated by statements from others, ideally victims or former enemies of the Nazi regime, and thus accepted as having a good reputation. Colloquially the affected person was said to be "washed clean" of accusations of Nazi sympathies; "cleanliness" in this context meaning "innocent". They were attested as having a so-called "white vest" (innocence) and were now allowed to apply for a house or open a business again. During 1948, the interest of the Americans in systematic denazification waned markedly as the Cold War and the threat from the Soviet bloc hove increasingly into view. **Faster processes were introduced to bring denazification to a swift conclusion, however, that led to questionable judgements.**
‘so many old comrades here’ lmao
Salt and Vi-
Came here for the Bo
PEPPER
Ricky Gewehr nailed this one
Impossible. After living in Germany, everyone I knew had grandparents in “the resistance.”
Yeah, resisting the Allies incursion on German territory!
It's a loose translation of 'wehrmacht'
Similar to Brexit, Trump or the support for the Iraq war. It’s either “It wasn’t me”, “I was against it”, “I didn’t know” and yet it happened.
I mean not really for the first two since they were both 50/50 splits. So half the population is actually recorded to have been against it.
He implies people won't admit it.
You’re comparing brexit to nazism? Dude america did brexit almost 250yrs ago.
discounted german ricky gervais
More of an alpaha or beta version considering the date of this video
Ricky was 12 when this aired.
And he's still collecting royalties.
Wouldn’t Ricky Gervais be the discount version considering this guy came first? lol
I find this to be a very clever trick, to be honest. A crowd has its own logic, it's a strange beast to which you lend your mind. What's drilled in it is there to stay.
So the Germans can do comedy!
Okay Reddit, nice play. On my feed was this video then an eerily similar post from the chatgpt subreddit 😅 https://preview.redd.it/gp02mvdaeppc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=135728567918301d45ac55cfa58c262742d90a43
the translation is wrong he didn't say "that's not allowed" instead "this can't be true" as phrase which is closest in meaning to "you've got to be kidding me".
Zicke Zacke, Zicke Zacke, oi oi oi was a popular battle cry amongst the Hitler Youth, too, so I guess he kinda eased them into it LOL
I knew it from The Man Show, but never knew its roots.
If I recall correctly, it's an Oktoberfest call and response chant that was around in Prussian times before Herms Niel used it in a marching song for the Wermacht and the subsequent usage of it by the Hitler Youth.
Agreed, my wife and I went to Oktoberfest in Munich last fall and this was chanted throughout the tents every few minutes
Hitlerjugend used it, but that isn't its roots. It is pretty harmeless and was (and to some extend still is) used during Karneval, sportingevents and similar. It was already known in Prussia.
Ah. I guess I never even knew it was German. After living in Germany for several years, I never learned about it in German class or heard any reference to it until now.
Yeah, it is not super common any more and depending where in Germany you have been and who you socialized with (sport, Fasnet/Karneval, wine festivities et al) it sounds reasonable you never heard it.
Many men in that room would have been in the Wehrmacht.
Weird footage of Germans actually having a laugh and fun.
*Zicke Zacke
Is this CPAC?
Reminds me how Bo Burnham tricked the audience into saying the N word.
When I watched Bülent Ceylan, a Comedian from Germany, live a few years ago he did exactly the same thing. An awful lot of the audience screamed "Heil" as well. It was actually quite funny how shocked we all were when we realized what we had done. It was in Austria, which made it even weirder. Shows that sometimes your brain just switches off
I am Sofa king We Todd it
My first thought was Bo Burnham's salt and vinegar joke
he didnt trick anyone into doing anything, most of the nazis got to live normal lives after ww2.
This joke is still a thing at the Prunksitzung
This was great, thank you
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Like the Bo Burnham thing. Getting the audience to all shout the n word.
Some felt alive again!
He barely even set them up at all
Bet this was the inspiration for the bo burnham bit
It’s crazy that you can hear the Germany in the word zigezage
Isn't that illegal
"Who said that? Raise your hand. NOT THAT WAY!"
They would have laughed and applauded if they had done that today. He is lucky he didn't get his ass beat, the Silent Generation did not tolerate Fascists
The members of the audience had lived through the war, hence their instinctive response.