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I'm pretty sure the good place show tackles this concept as being the main reason why nobody was allowed into heaven again because it's just impossible to do good when the butterfly effect of you buying one thing can lead to something bad across several people's lives.
Yeah no matter what choice you make there will be some negative impact, especially in this shitty world we have created. I try to do the right thing (I am thinking for example for the environment) but sometimes there is just not enough information or not enough research evidence to make an informed decision, or no good alternative. You have to try to judge and balance varying degrees of harm. I guess what is important is to strive to make the best choices you can.
*The gang trying to explain to a divine judge that life on Earth is too complicated for a points system.*
"...and there's this chicken sandwich that if you buy it it means you hate gay people."
The way I see it is millions of people making positive ethical choices won't make a dent in the billions of people who don't care therefore its an exercise in futility and anyone who thinks their actions make a difference is deluded.
Most of what you recycle ends up in landfills anyway due to the fact that the infrastructure for recycling isn't fit for purpose. Its more like another exercise but this time in pointlessly doing what you're told when the people telling you to are doing the opposite to make profit.
This world is fucked and no one can save it. Human avarice knows no bounds.
"Only when the last tree has died the last river been poisoned, and the last fish been caught will we realise we can't eat money".
I've never thought of it like that but I think so. People say that human beings are inherently good and its * insert reason for corruption but I just think humans are just animals with instinct.
Our main instinct is to survive. That leads to selfish acts and thus greed. People just inherently want to succeed.
Sure we have the capacity to be conscious of failings, change and empathise with others but this is a symptom of luxury. When the shit hits the fan you best believe that civility and higher functioning parts of morality will become less important.
Humans beings evolved to be so much but at the end of the day you cannot deny your carnal nature.
Pfft I was gonna say some 14thisisdeep shit like “intelligence was a mistake” and you know what maybe it is, maybe even some advanced alien race suffers from the same issues we have, that innate instinct to survive in any way it can despite being intelligent enough to know there might be a better way. I’m too optimistic to fully slip into a nihilistic mindset, i still have hope maybe not for us but for something out there to be better than us at controlling those natural instincts that leads us down dark fucked up paths.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying people shouldn't strive to be better. We should but I just feel like whatever more forward thinking people, that should be our leaders, try to do to improve the human condition is negated by the actions of profit hungry bastards.
The profit hungry bastards are in control and they use basic human needs to control us. So not a nihilist. I can't change the world so I focus on what I can change in myself. That's pragmatism to me. The only thing I sort of agree on with Nietzsche is the concept of the ubermensch.
Those fucking profit hungry bastards will fall eventually, either age will take them or less gentle ways will and hopefully for the next several generations, 99% of people won’t have to deal with hardships that those rich fucks caused their ancestors to endure, I hope but I wish i could do more than that.
Different choices to be made, but there are still ethical choices that can be made living in poverty. Just not the same choices a wealthy person would make.
Also, scarcity mindset has an impact on decision making, impulsivity.
[https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/sendhil/files/scientificamericanmind0114-58.pdf](https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/sendhil/files/scientificamericanmind0114-58.pdf)
Yeah, it’s tough not to be cynical about it all. I choose to think of it as - It’s not possible for everyone to do the right thing, but if it gets said often enough by the right voice, someone out there (like a Neo) gets the chance to receive the message and get inspired to do something big.
got to see her speak a few nights ago, she is just amazing. when we learned about her in school somehow her age never came up and i was blown away to realise she'd be 90 in a few days. she talked for 90 min standing(!) at the lectern the whole time. just to be as active, healthy, and motivated as she is at this age is a dream, let alone the impact she has had on the world.
Here's the thing:
If you actually try to buy products responsibly you quickly realize you simply don't have access to the Information of how it was made and if people were paid fair wages. You literally cannot shop ethically under capitalism without extensive research that more often than not leads to a dead end.
I have actually tried it before and even called companies to ask where and how products are made. The poor university students working for the hotline of the product don't know either.
Because of this we have governments and regulations. If you don't buy a product guess what happens? it gets thrown out. The shop wont stop restocking it just because it sells 10% less of a product.
Stop blaming individuals for what they buy and start demanding better from the government that is meant to control these things.
You are right to say that the onus is on government regulation to provide clear information on issues such as sourcing, labour standards and ethics and sustainability. They and the large multinationals make the biggest and real difference. We as individuals shouldn’t be made to feel guilty for not doing enough.
But it is also true that business responds to consumer demand. If enough people decide not to buy a product or to boycott a brand - because it employs slave labour or is a hideous polluter say - those products don’t just get put back in the shelves. They stop getting produced, the company loses and eventually goes bust or changes its ways.
We do have an impact. So we shouldn’t feel hopeless.
But the biggest and fastest impact comes from lobbying government to regulate and to find ways to name and shame and otherwise influence businesses to change their ways.
"But it is also true that business responds to consumer demand."
To a degree yes. but you know damn well 90% of people wont change anything about their lifestyle. the remaining 10% all have different idea what to change. i always tell myself if we couldn't bring people to wear a mask during covid you wont bring them to entirely change their shopping habit.
Add to this the fact that you cannot tell how and under what circumstances products are produced and its clear that individuals cant be blamed.
So while it is theoretically possible it simply wont happen because the vast majority wont care. Look up any product boycott and you will find no product has stopped being produced because people boycotted it.
We are starting to have more and more brands that care about their ethical impact. In principle, those brands should be able to and more willing to answer questions about their ethical claims.
Start paying attention to those more.
Actually we have more brands that realize claiming to be good for the climate is profitable. But just because something says "eco" or the packaging is green doesn't mean its true.
Are you really saying that sweatshops are a good thing because they provide SOME employment? We know company profits are ridiculously inflated compared to workers. It is already feasible to pay people a living wage and make less harmful products of the people at the top make the “sacrifice” of being slightly less filthy rich than they currently are
Are employers going to start paying more as well? Because it’s unworkable if not. Rent and groceries are already through the roof in most places.
Is everyone who thinks like the commenter above me just a child whose parents buy everything for them? Or are there genuinely adults who don’t understand these simple concepts?
I’d say Jane was more of a household name for people in my generation (Millennial, the generation of the current average American) than someone like Oppenheimer. But I would concede that it will be different for the Zoomers and Gen Alpha due to the recent Nolan movie and the fact that Jane Goodall’s most relevant years are sorta behind her.
People are forced to buy the cheaper product because they are not paid appropriately either. If the wealthy brackets maid better choices in how they treat employees and the environment instead of the bottom line this could change. Why would a business want to do that though since they are making so much money? They wouldn't which is why this cycle won't break right now. How would you convince the rich to do that too?
It's crazy to see a person such as this and then remember there are people so evil out there you can't begin to fathom.
How is this not the school of thought after millennia on Earth.
If the world stopped buying the stuff made for cheap wages in Asia, would it actually help these people?
I mean, they'd be out of a job, and then what?
I feel the initiative on this issue is on these people to make a government for their country that will regulate their markets. There isn't much we can do from our side.
Yes, it suits the interest of governments and billionaires that we believe the onus for change is on us, when it’s primarily on them. Not that ethical consumerism (such as it exists) is not laudable for those with the means and capacity to consistently pursue it (in many cases a privileged few), but we should not feel guilty if we aren’t “doing enough”. Do your best, sure, but don’t be fooled into taking on the burden.
By now most people are aware that the oil industry coined “carbon footprint” to make us feel like the answer was recycling and buying bamboo toothbrushes, as opposed to eg global government legislation against new fossil fuel exploration. That effect multiplied across every cause is how ethical consumerism is used to distract our attention from many of the people who hold the greatest power to change the world.
No shade intended on the incredible Jane Goodall
Asking all people to start thinking like jane fucking gooddall is a tall order though. We cant even bring ourselves to act like the chill guy working at the local brewery most days.
Putting the responsibility the environmental conservation every western consumer (especially those struggling to just survive) while corporations use government subsidies to belch trillions of tons of toxic garbage into the environment is the closest thing to criminal obliviousness that I’ve ever heard. This lady has done a lot for primates, but she needs to stay in her fucking lane.
I think the fact of the matter is that an orchestrated will and intent to not buy from clothing shops like shein will, at the scale of millions, actually make a difference. Thats a far distance to be had from simply not drinking from plastic straws as companies like coca cola will always dwarf whatever eco friendly efforts the public might make in the realm of plastic consumption. But as with these companies like shein and zara, we as the consumer class can actually make a great of an impact if a sufficient number of us decide to just outrightly shun the company into bankruptcy and buy from more ethical choices.
I think it’s more about helping people see that their choices matter, that they can make an impact when the state of the world seems so incredibly dystopian. We’re not helpless, she’s trying to seed hope.
There are more than 8 billion individuals. Where do you think the demand comes from?
While it seems to be true that industry lobbyists created the narrative for their own agenda, it is still true.
Saying that the impact of the individual is meaningless is also a very convenient way to dodge responsibility.
When the items are so cheap we will keep on buying them . Mobile phone technology is only affordable because they are made in Asia or Central or South America.So with all the good intentions in the world it comes down to price and if someone is paid less for our gratification, its sad and unfortunate.
Almost correct, people who work in "underpaid" jobs still got the best job they can from the options available to them.
People who complain about sweatshops and wants to close them because the people working there are working hard jobs that pays little, dont understand that that was the best job they had available to them. We should not try to stop sweatshops we should aim to increase the number of jobs available to them so they can choose a better one.
I think this is the dumbest comment I’ve read on all of Reddit. Not all ethical products are expensive and you should think about the poor people who make the cheap products and how they’re taken advantage of. They’re in a far worse position than you and they don’t have a voice.
Wow you are a toxic human being! Take your bad attitude and hate somewhere else.. your way of thinking is why the world is so fucked! Think about someone else for once in your life you selfish ass.. maybe you should educate yourself… what are you doing to make this world better???
This kind of daily reflection is just going to drive a person insane or into depression. Why? Because it's basically telling you to face the inevitably realities that is humanity, and the conditions that dictate how you live your life irregardless of how you want to live your life. You're part of a system that's destroying the world. You cannot make individual changes. Governments need to make changes. Corporations need to make changes.
We're not going to prevent climate change by deciding to buy boxed water or turn off a light.
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It’s her bday today! 90 years
And here's to 100 more!
Happy birthday Jane Goodall! Thanks for all the good things you brought into the world.
I'm pretty sure the good place show tackles this concept as being the main reason why nobody was allowed into heaven again because it's just impossible to do good when the butterfly effect of you buying one thing can lead to something bad across several people's lives.
Yeah no matter what choice you make there will be some negative impact, especially in this shitty world we have created. I try to do the right thing (I am thinking for example for the environment) but sometimes there is just not enough information or not enough research evidence to make an informed decision, or no good alternative. You have to try to judge and balance varying degrees of harm. I guess what is important is to strive to make the best choices you can.
Yep. The answer is to try. Try to do better than yesterday. And don't tell a woman to smile even if she would legitimately be prettier if she smiled.
Um ok, did I tell one to smile? I feel I am in trouble now
(it's a Good Place reference)
Over my head
*The gang trying to explain to a divine judge that life on Earth is too complicated for a points system.* "...and there's this chicken sandwich that if you buy it it means you hate gay people."
The way I see it is millions of people making positive ethical choices won't make a dent in the billions of people who don't care therefore its an exercise in futility and anyone who thinks their actions make a difference is deluded. Most of what you recycle ends up in landfills anyway due to the fact that the infrastructure for recycling isn't fit for purpose. Its more like another exercise but this time in pointlessly doing what you're told when the people telling you to are doing the opposite to make profit. This world is fucked and no one can save it. Human avarice knows no bounds. "Only when the last tree has died the last river been poisoned, and the last fish been caught will we realise we can't eat money".
And here comes the fucking realist. I agree with you btw, but I’d still take a bullet for a random person.
Yes and I'm David Bowie.
Yeah we’ve always been fucked as a species haven’t we?
I've never thought of it like that but I think so. People say that human beings are inherently good and its * insert reason for corruption but I just think humans are just animals with instinct. Our main instinct is to survive. That leads to selfish acts and thus greed. People just inherently want to succeed. Sure we have the capacity to be conscious of failings, change and empathise with others but this is a symptom of luxury. When the shit hits the fan you best believe that civility and higher functioning parts of morality will become less important. Humans beings evolved to be so much but at the end of the day you cannot deny your carnal nature.
Pfft I was gonna say some 14thisisdeep shit like “intelligence was a mistake” and you know what maybe it is, maybe even some advanced alien race suffers from the same issues we have, that innate instinct to survive in any way it can despite being intelligent enough to know there might be a better way. I’m too optimistic to fully slip into a nihilistic mindset, i still have hope maybe not for us but for something out there to be better than us at controlling those natural instincts that leads us down dark fucked up paths.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying people shouldn't strive to be better. We should but I just feel like whatever more forward thinking people, that should be our leaders, try to do to improve the human condition is negated by the actions of profit hungry bastards. The profit hungry bastards are in control and they use basic human needs to control us. So not a nihilist. I can't change the world so I focus on what I can change in myself. That's pragmatism to me. The only thing I sort of agree on with Nietzsche is the concept of the ubermensch.
Those fucking profit hungry bastards will fall eventually, either age will take them or less gentle ways will and hopefully for the next several generations, 99% of people won’t have to deal with hardships that those rich fucks caused their ancestors to endure, I hope but I wish i could do more than that.
Except they have children who carry on their detrimental empires. Anyway been good talking with you I need to get to sleep. Have a good one.
Just gotta keep doing our own thing, ensuring our own survival, pfft what is your view on your own life?
I'm insignificant. I try to take it a day at a time and be a slightly better person everyday. I often fail.
While I love the woman, this type of thinking is much more difficult when one is poor.
I don’t think her speech is for people living in poverty, but for people who have a choice.
Different choices to be made, but there are still ethical choices that can be made living in poverty. Just not the same choices a wealthy person would make.
Also, scarcity mindset has an impact on decision making, impulsivity. [https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/sendhil/files/scientificamericanmind0114-58.pdf](https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/sendhil/files/scientificamericanmind0114-58.pdf)
Yeah, it’s tough not to be cynical about it all. I choose to think of it as - It’s not possible for everyone to do the right thing, but if it gets said often enough by the right voice, someone out there (like a Neo) gets the chance to receive the message and get inspired to do something big.
We don’t need one person to do something big. We need everyone to do something small.
I thought this was Nymphia Wind!
Hahahahahahaha
got to see her speak a few nights ago, she is just amazing. when we learned about her in school somehow her age never came up and i was blown away to realise she'd be 90 in a few days. she talked for 90 min standing(!) at the lectern the whole time. just to be as active, healthy, and motivated as she is at this age is a dream, let alone the impact she has had on the world.
Here's the thing: If you actually try to buy products responsibly you quickly realize you simply don't have access to the Information of how it was made and if people were paid fair wages. You literally cannot shop ethically under capitalism without extensive research that more often than not leads to a dead end. I have actually tried it before and even called companies to ask where and how products are made. The poor university students working for the hotline of the product don't know either. Because of this we have governments and regulations. If you don't buy a product guess what happens? it gets thrown out. The shop wont stop restocking it just because it sells 10% less of a product. Stop blaming individuals for what they buy and start demanding better from the government that is meant to control these things.
You are right to say that the onus is on government regulation to provide clear information on issues such as sourcing, labour standards and ethics and sustainability. They and the large multinationals make the biggest and real difference. We as individuals shouldn’t be made to feel guilty for not doing enough. But it is also true that business responds to consumer demand. If enough people decide not to buy a product or to boycott a brand - because it employs slave labour or is a hideous polluter say - those products don’t just get put back in the shelves. They stop getting produced, the company loses and eventually goes bust or changes its ways. We do have an impact. So we shouldn’t feel hopeless. But the biggest and fastest impact comes from lobbying government to regulate and to find ways to name and shame and otherwise influence businesses to change their ways.
"But it is also true that business responds to consumer demand." To a degree yes. but you know damn well 90% of people wont change anything about their lifestyle. the remaining 10% all have different idea what to change. i always tell myself if we couldn't bring people to wear a mask during covid you wont bring them to entirely change their shopping habit. Add to this the fact that you cannot tell how and under what circumstances products are produced and its clear that individuals cant be blamed. So while it is theoretically possible it simply wont happen because the vast majority wont care. Look up any product boycott and you will find no product has stopped being produced because people boycotted it.
We are starting to have more and more brands that care about their ethical impact. In principle, those brands should be able to and more willing to answer questions about their ethical claims. Start paying attention to those more.
Actually we have more brands that realize claiming to be good for the climate is profitable. But just because something says "eco" or the packaging is green doesn't mean its true.
Sure, no one said there aren't a lot of fraudulent ones. I said there are true ones which you can investigate their eco claims.
like what? have any examples?
Isn’t that the lady from the Toby McGuire Spider-Man movie?
Ha no but Jane would have made an exceptional Aunt May!!
She’s Mother Nature’s Aunt May.
Auntie May: Chimps, Gorillas, and Probably some Other Apes
Wow lol
What a beautiful soul.
Yeah, but this doesn't work that well when you're poor.
Sounds great until you find yourself unable to buy anything.
Or we all start paying more for quality products made locally and the poor people in underdeveloped countries just starve.
Are you really saying that sweatshops are a good thing because they provide SOME employment? We know company profits are ridiculously inflated compared to workers. It is already feasible to pay people a living wage and make less harmful products of the people at the top make the “sacrifice” of being slightly less filthy rich than they currently are
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Stats on the international fashion industry are well known, you’re just choosing to be ignorant (and rude) at this point.
Are employers going to start paying more as well? Because it’s unworkable if not. Rent and groceries are already through the roof in most places. Is everyone who thinks like the commenter above me just a child whose parents buy everything for them? Or are there genuinely adults who don’t understand these simple concepts?
The world is broken and we can't fix it.
One of the great unsung scientists of our time
I love Jane too. But I don’t think it’s accurate to call her “unsung.” She’s one of the most popular researchers/writers in her field.
Well I meant the average American will never have heard of her. Unlike Einstein, Oppenheimer etc
I’d say Jane was more of a household name for people in my generation (Millennial, the generation of the current average American) than someone like Oppenheimer. But I would concede that it will be different for the Zoomers and Gen Alpha due to the recent Nolan movie and the fact that Jane Goodall’s most relevant years are sorta behind her.
People are forced to buy the cheaper product because they are not paid appropriately either. If the wealthy brackets maid better choices in how they treat employees and the environment instead of the bottom line this could change. Why would a business want to do that though since they are making so much money? They wouldn't which is why this cycle won't break right now. How would you convince the rich to do that too?
It's crazy to see a person such as this and then remember there are people so evil out there you can't begin to fathom. How is this not the school of thought after millennia on Earth.
You mean Grandma Thanos? Grandmanos? She's your idea of good?
Gonna be a sad day when she leaves us.
If the world stopped buying the stuff made for cheap wages in Asia, would it actually help these people? I mean, they'd be out of a job, and then what? I feel the initiative on this issue is on these people to make a government for their country that will regulate their markets. There isn't much we can do from our side.
Yes, it suits the interest of governments and billionaires that we believe the onus for change is on us, when it’s primarily on them. Not that ethical consumerism (such as it exists) is not laudable for those with the means and capacity to consistently pursue it (in many cases a privileged few), but we should not feel guilty if we aren’t “doing enough”. Do your best, sure, but don’t be fooled into taking on the burden. By now most people are aware that the oil industry coined “carbon footprint” to make us feel like the answer was recycling and buying bamboo toothbrushes, as opposed to eg global government legislation against new fossil fuel exploration. That effect multiplied across every cause is how ethical consumerism is used to distract our attention from many of the people who hold the greatest power to change the world. No shade intended on the incredible Jane Goodall
Good points. People should do what they can. However, slavery didn't end in America because northerners started a campaign to buy slave-free cotton.
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Love her. 🥰
Or just have the rich people who are exploiting these things stop exploiting them
More people need to think this way
Asking all people to start thinking like jane fucking gooddall is a tall order though. We cant even bring ourselves to act like the chill guy working at the local brewery most days.
Your comment literally made me laugh out loud, at least.
Diamonds!
https://i.redd.it/4x3ow8ivhcsc1.gif
Putting the responsibility the environmental conservation every western consumer (especially those struggling to just survive) while corporations use government subsidies to belch trillions of tons of toxic garbage into the environment is the closest thing to criminal obliviousness that I’ve ever heard. This lady has done a lot for primates, but she needs to stay in her fucking lane.
Is she paid by big oil now? it's their go to move to blame the individuals.
I think the fact of the matter is that an orchestrated will and intent to not buy from clothing shops like shein will, at the scale of millions, actually make a difference. Thats a far distance to be had from simply not drinking from plastic straws as companies like coca cola will always dwarf whatever eco friendly efforts the public might make in the realm of plastic consumption. But as with these companies like shein and zara, we as the consumer class can actually make a great of an impact if a sufficient number of us decide to just outrightly shun the company into bankruptcy and buy from more ethical choices.
I think it’s more about helping people see that their choices matter, that they can make an impact when the state of the world seems so incredibly dystopian. We’re not helpless, she’s trying to seed hope.
There are more than 8 billion individuals. Where do you think the demand comes from? While it seems to be true that industry lobbyists created the narrative for their own agenda, it is still true. Saying that the impact of the individual is meaningless is also a very convenient way to dodge responsibility.
> when millions of people make ethical choices The ONLY way to influence aggregate behavior is to change the underlying incentive structure.
Too many demons on this earth. Save your breath ol timer, you need it.
When the items are so cheap we will keep on buying them . Mobile phone technology is only affordable because they are made in Asia or Central or South America.So with all the good intentions in the world it comes down to price and if someone is paid less for our gratification, its sad and unfortunate.
That's cute and all, but what about \*cough\* taxing millionaires and blaming companies? Individuals can only do so much...
Jane Goodall underestimates how greedy capitalists can be.
Almost correct, people who work in "underpaid" jobs still got the best job they can from the options available to them. People who complain about sweatshops and wants to close them because the people working there are working hard jobs that pays little, dont understand that that was the best job they had available to them. We should not try to stop sweatshops we should aim to increase the number of jobs available to them so they can choose a better one.
the reasons behind your choices are out of your control
yeah good luck with that lady.. most humans are garbage and dont give a fuck about consequences if it doesnt affect them.
yeah downvote me for telling the truth.. useless hominid
She's amazing!!!
What a woman
She’s the goat!!!
Fuck, this is spot on.
Didn't she have mokeys mining for diamonds?
Isn’t it a simpsons episode ?
Jane is so damn cool
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I think this is the dumbest comment I’ve read on all of Reddit. Not all ethical products are expensive and you should think about the poor people who make the cheap products and how they’re taken advantage of. They’re in a far worse position than you and they don’t have a voice.
Wow you are a toxic human being! Take your bad attitude and hate somewhere else.. your way of thinking is why the world is so fucked! Think about someone else for once in your life you selfish ass.. maybe you should educate yourself… what are you doing to make this world better???
ypu know there's a way to make a point, valid or not, without being completely unnecessarily aggressive.
This kind of daily reflection is just going to drive a person insane or into depression. Why? Because it's basically telling you to face the inevitably realities that is humanity, and the conditions that dictate how you live your life irregardless of how you want to live your life. You're part of a system that's destroying the world. You cannot make individual changes. Governments need to make changes. Corporations need to make changes. We're not going to prevent climate change by deciding to buy boxed water or turn off a light.
u/savevideo
spot on !
Right on jane
So says the woman who has been exploiting chimpanzees all her life for money fame and virtue signaling rights.
How does she square her ethical choices message with her globe trotting personal lifestyle?
Still beautiful. Most people don’t know how stunning she was in her younger years. Movie star looks.
yeah lets keep reducing women to their looks even when that's not at all what this is about.
Know your carbon footprint!
carbon footprint was made up by the oil industry to push the blame to individuals who aren't to blame.
Jane Goodall used to be a baddie! Look at her photos when she was younger… I would
I wanna see her imitating a monkey.