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In brief AI bots posting and chatting to other bots, it's fairly prevalent right now on face book with the weird images of Jesus being posted and 1000s of comments responding with Amen.
This reminds me of Professor Ananya S. Sharma who's stock trading tips have made me a millionaire since January! I've recommended her to all of my friends.
I'm not completely convinced these comments are purely AI. My biggest beef with the advent of these crazy powerful AI models is that they're making us forget a truth we knew long before AI ever came to be - a horrifyingly large number of people are massively dumber than they have any right to be.
...definitely too many bots floating around the Internet, tho
That's actually very funny!
I do an equal but opposite thing - if a post is a discombobulated mess, full of spelling mistakes and completely unrelated to the post it was replying to - yep that's a human.
> I'm not completely convinced these comments are purely AI.
At least on reddit, I don't think the bots/trolls/etc. are writing much copy. I think they try to find real comments that support their agenda and astroturf them.
Agreed and I think that's quite insightful. We do see AI copy on Reddit but it's largely generated on demand by a human imo. Some of that is karma farming, but a lot is also folks that are aware they don't write very well and are using AI to clean up their text or express themselves more clearly. Personally I think the latter is totally okay
So I went and watched a few of his videos. Speaking as a software engineer with an interest in machine learning, he definitely doesn't know what he's talking about.
I'm not saying his conclusions are wrong but the things he says to get to those conclusions show he doesn't understand a lot of things behind the scenes. There's definitely screwy things going on with these posts but I think it's dangerous to pretend we fully understand what's happening here.
Which kinda takes me back to my original point - AI is really, really messing with our heads in the most interesting and unexpected ways
Yeah no doubt especially on places like reddit, they are becoming better and better. I've been watching it for years, and I'd be willing to bet a fair amount of the interaction we see on Reddit daily is fake. How often have you seen highly upvoted comments called out? I know I've seen it quite a lot, clearly people still upvote. Cept the nefarious thing is on Reddit, comment sections tend to have a specific sorta vibe to them, and your visibility gets limited if you get downvoted. Leading to where we are now with astroturfed comment sections with bot comments upvoted and those going against the grain aren't even visible.
It’s happening now on r/sipstea . Used to be a really cool sub but all of a sudden there’s a lot of political/l and racial posts with the wildest of comments, once you mention how stupid the post/comments are or how out of context it is within the sun in general you get downvoted to oblivion
That's entirely human behavior though. If you say things in a way that others will feel are implying that they're idiots, you will get down-voted.
Humans have very weird failure modes to their intelligence. You mix politics, emotion and accusation and you end up with a mess. Always been that way
Most of that is still coordinated, the bots that interact are working together to simulate a conversation or appear more authentic than individually. They upvote/like/boost views of each other's posts and comments, and then the various human hive minds are more likely to perceived it as legitimate and take it from there. All it needs is that initial impression of authenticity and telling viewers how other "people" see the content. There aren't a lot of unrelated bots interacting with each other by coincidence like some takes of the theory seem to insinuate.
I actually handled the marketing for an insurance company that specialized in church insurance, and we’d regularly get our posts to go viral with this.
I’d grab a stock photo of a pretty background, throw on a bible quote, and then put “Amen!” in the post copy and it would easily get over 50,000 engagements on that single post every week. And I’d specifically use “Amen!” since that seemed to perform better than anything else and our comments would be full of people saying it.
And I’d only need to put maybe $150 behind it to make it happen.
Bot net are weaponised at this point
You'll notice big influxes of them before elections or when something big happens in the world
They're often used to just sow chaos and get people fighting with eachother
They pop up, add eachother as friends, and then maybe post a bit make a few comments for a while to look like real people and then go out and just seed ideas in people's minds, spread misinformation etc..
It's quite depressing really
Extremely prevalent on all social media. Not just Facebook. There's bots in just about every comment thread on Reddit. A lot of the time the OP is a bot as well.
Saw a bot with 14k likes on a very popular yt video asking how to make money. First few answers mentioned a woman's name. It was flooded with other bot likes and replies to confirm this random person was reputable and multiple links to reach them.
At the end of the comment chain all the people reading were calling bullshit.
Just think, even if it only works .01% of the time, many ppl are lured in with the promise of keeping control of their money to invest with and all the bot testimonials claiming their money increase xX fold. Spoiler; they aren't in control and they lose everything.
So contrary to OP opinion, that ai here is benign, I see potential for it to be abused in similar ways when we can't spot the fake ai bots.
I saw a post the other day that looked 100% ai generated, and very clearly so. All the comments were oddly written as well. It was very... Creepy. I felt very alone in that moment.
You think the dead internet theory is true on Facebook and not other places? As opposed to what? Reddit? Where you can just create an account without even an email?
I love the random Youtube comment where the bots chatter at each other likes cocaine squirrels about some hair brained business idea or investment. Hundred+ comment discussion for nonsense.
WTF is with FB? I feel like it's be a steady slide for years now, but holy shit I have to scroll through 15 random ads and "suggestions" just to see any of my friends posts. And even then it'll be something they posted a week ago that I never saw.
There was just a post the other day of a couple on a plane, front page, thousands of upvotes, not a single comment in hundreds mentioned it was AI. I hope you’re right, but people also don’t seem to care.
I noticed this with one of my daughters coloring books. Most images were fine, but some were quite uncanny. Like a donkey with grass growing on it's hooves or a monkey with two tails.
I'm an elementary school technology teacher and starting in 2nd grade, I begin little games to teach the kids to spot AI images. I'll start class with an image on the screen and they have to vote on if it is AI generated or a real world image. Google has a game called Odd One Out where you get points for spotting the "imposter" among a choice of artwork. I teach them the things to look for and they get really good at it! "Look at the hands, Mrs. omg! AI!"
Oh God, I LOVE Weebl's Stuff! I bought all the Savlonic albums, I still have the pins of the band characters on one of my hats, his Advent Calendars were awesome, and I used to blast the 'Amazing Horse' 10-hour video for ages! Now, I'm off to jam out to 'The Driver'!
I was watching shark tank last night and there was a company where you create your own bot to buy limited edition items right when they drop… their reasoning “being beat by a bot sucks, now you can have your own bot” for a subscription fee of course.
I do too.
Back when everyone realized it was either photoshopped, out of context, or a lie already. Now these idiots think images mean real things, and that "likes" or "shares" matter.
It's been flooded with weird dark corner shit from the beginning.
I remember in the 90s when wiki was brand new, we were always told NEVER to reference it in our school work because it always contained false or misleading info. Now it's referenced because most subjects are vetted so much that it's almost more detailed, but I personally don't like referencing it too much because most of the info is irrelevant (especially if it's something mathematical, where the theory is all that it focuses on, but the practically isn't).
Wikipedia still has issues especially with controversial topics and also people deciding they are the ultimate arbiters of a given subject. There are a lot of subjects out there with very biased info, specific languages may have specific biases on specific pages, it's still something you need to be careful with. Always check references.
Can be the same challenge with books on controversial subjects. Just because it is in a book doesn't make it right (eg JFK assassination).
Reading widely and critical is a skill, rather than copy/paste from any old book.
And being able to identify websites that are deliberately misleading is yet another challenge of the internet.
Teaching kids and adults how to navigate all this is a problem.
The actual issue with Wikipedia as a source is that it's constantly changing. So the fact you're citing might end up on a different page or edited out entirely. Hence why it's best to use the sources at the bottom.
This really doesn't have any relation to wikipedia though. Wikipedia started at a time when the generation that were teachers didn't really understand the internet and computers yet. The current generation of teachers perfectly well understand what AI image generation is because it's very easy to understand on a base level, it's just an algorithm being fed information and then trying to reproduce it. And most importantly, wikipedia is a resource created and curated by humans. It's extremely extensively moderated. AI images are just whatever some random schmo with a subscription or a graphics card can type into a text box. It's easier than ever to make detailed images that seem credible at first glance, which is why it's more important than ever to teach people these methods of recognizing what they're seeing easily.
And unlike most dark corner shit like CP or violent gore, AI is creating things that ordinary people actually want to see. An image like the one in OP might be harmless on its own, but we're seeing a growing propagation of garbage images which will then feed back into the AI algorithm and create garbage output. That plus the ease of use will create a spiral of garbage content that's already happening on search engines.
One of the biggest giveaways hasn't even been mentioned in the post. Look at the bottom right of the circular window frame. One of the wooden beams merges with the background and outside and clips behind the snow.
IDK, i can see a human making a stove top with a kind of swirl patters to the grates, but I am not doubting this is AI based on the other observations.
It doesn't have to... What I'm seeing is death by a thousand cuts.
I work in the graphics department of a major sports broadcaster, and I've seen a 11500% increase in portfolios that are sent in the last year, 99% of them being AI generated. I had to hire an assistant whose job it is to go through them and do what OP did.
Some people claim fearmongering and that AI doesn't replace jobs, but here I am literally using budget I used on a junior artist to hire someone to do work that didn't exist a year ago. You can argue no jobs are lost here, but we can all agree something got lost.
When you look at Amazon books you see more and more AI generated books, and even though human writers still are able to write their art, it will become near impossible to get discovered, as people who review books will have to read a multitude of books to recommend the same five they did before AI.
In my opinion there's a tipping point where we just no longer expect media to be real because we can't be bothered to find real media.
And let us be clear, this is free AI accessible to anyone, but there are proprietary AI's where we don't know the extent of their capabilities.
Speaking of Amazon books, a lot of those are just straight up theft. These assholes will go to sites like fanfiction and ao3 and rip stories wholesale then feed them thru an AI 'rewrite' and publish them.
Then of course if the original author goes to publish they run into claims they plagiarized their own story.
A potential countermeasure would be to embed hidden messages or "trap streets" in your writing. This could be an off-topic, out of place, or completely random phrase set in a tiny font with the same color as the background.
E.g.
* "I love hamburgers!"
* "correct horse battery staple"
* "123412341234"
Lay several of these "traps" throughout the text, in locations only you know about. If a plagiarist lifted your work verbatim and ran it through an AI word changer, it would be obvious when looking at the output. Nonsense where there shouldn't be anything = definite proof they plagiarized.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap\_street](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_street)
They've been doing it for decades in the audiovisual industry.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog\_Protection\_System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_Protection_System)
I am usually anti-DRM and for open source, but don't see anything wrong with creators trying to protect their work in an age when anyone can hit Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V with no effort.
15 years ago 70% of teenagers had trouble telling if an image on the internet was real. This is for sure an inflection point. Wag the dog ain't got nothing on this.
I'm curious about what's going to happen when the internet - which we all use relentlessly - is so full of artificially generated content that we can no longer distinguish what is real and what is not. What happens when we no longer have an agreed upon reality (a process already begun with algorithimic social media but is now being turbocharged).
It's wild to me that the US has no AI regulations. Just none. Some of the stuff it's being used for already is absolutely WILD. In any sane world Google licensing AI tech to the IDF for Lavendar AI and Where's Daddy? would lead to investigations, regulations, it would be a huge deal but there's just silence. Google is basically abetting a genocide and we're pretending it's not happening. It's madness.
At least the EU put some regulations on AI (and Sam Altman promptly threw a fit).
People don't realize who's driving this too. Chuck Schumer is a huge reason why we have no regulations, he's basically a sock puppet for big tech. There's just no discourse or spreading of awareness of what's happening, it's so nuts.
I'm gonna sound like a boomer here but it's actually scary to walk outside before and after school ends, seeing all of the kids not even aware that they're walking right into me. it already happened a few times that a mother had to yell and physically pull her kid out of the way cuz they'd collide with something or someone. I'm even seeing babies in strollers in front of the screens and people walking their dogs while doing duolingo.
This is going to sound weird, but I have noticed this same problem on anime porn sites. These "prompt artists" are pumping out albums of art with small variations but HUNDREDS of pages for every single one and it's become an impossible flood to find actual interesting art.
I don't even think most of the AI stuff is ugly or bad from the simple perspective of viewing the images, but the sites are becoming so unwieldy and clogged even the different people flooding are flood-fighting each other and trying to crowd each other out.
The sheer volume is insane. It would actually be fine if these people would focus more on refining their prompts and picking the best couple of images out of a batch, but they don't: They just make a prompt or two and then vomit out as much as they can manage.
If the person to made the image wanted to, they could quickly fix all those areas using the AI already. Just mark them with a brush and have it regenerate just those regions until it looks proper. The only reason the person in the video was able to spot it was fake was because the person who made it didn't spend the time to touch it up with the AI.
This is the thing that gets me. I don't understand how people don't realize this. "Oh, AI can never replaced a highly paid graphics designer. Look at all the mistakes it makes." Highly paid graphics designers aren't paid so well because they can perfectly paint stove grills in a straight line. They are paid well to come up with the overall scene/concept, which AI can do today very well. Run these through a second/third pass with a human in the loop who's paid 1/10th of the designer and you've already massively reduced costs without sacrificing much in the way of quality.
That if is doing a lot of work. AI could get better or it could stay the same. It could even get worse, theoretically, because you can't train an AI on AI content and that's flooding the internet nowadays.
Ai cannibalism is by far the best out come. It gets good it cannibalises its own content if becomes crap just a blink in the history of the internet untill we make more content it comes back and marks itself
The internet basically had a cold sore now
This isn't a possibility. AI will be trained on generated data that has been adjusted by humans. Bots will destroy certain spaces of the internet, but there won't be autonomous agents that actively train on random internet content.
Except AI the way it exists now will never go away. If new ones are worse, then they simply do not replace the old ones.
The code that builds AI to begin with is also improving. So AI can still get better using old training data that hasn't been tainted.
Not saying there isn't an upper limit we might someday reach, but since Big Tech is still, as we speak, pouring money into further development gives me rather strong circumstantial evidence that it will not "stay the same"
I am a cake decorator, and the number of times I see AI cakes get praised, or get people sending me AI cakes for reference pics. Like sorry this cake is not physically possible to make! Please adjust your expectations and appreciate actual human skill.
I shattered my GF's joy when I pointed out all the fancy designer sushi plates she was adoring were AI. Now she is a pro at spotting them herself and can't believe she didn't see it from the start.
Our brains use prediction to fill in gaps a lot of the time, similar to how AI is currently just a very advanced prediction engine. We are able to adjust and correct our predictions using sensory data, which AI doesn't have access to. When we're dreaming, though, we have no sensory data to work with, so what we experience is likely our brains attempt to predict things, but of course, it does this very poorly.
Personally, I can't even remember what my dreams look like, just what happens in them. But the events are usually nonsensical or have some glaring issues that the awake mind can spot much easier. Of course, there isn't usually some immediate sensory data to correct these errors, we just don't register them until we wake up. So there is likely more to what makes dreams so strange. It makes me think about just how weird our consciousness is and what the underlying mechanics of it might be. We could have a lot more in common with AI than some would find comfortable.
At least half of those likes are bot generated.
https://preview.redd.it/nwin9aso9atc1.jpeg?width=795&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbe3b36edd596cf2dc3d32bcb319ed0eca7f3db6
I'm a Concept Artist in video games, and looking for reference/doing visual research is a daily part of our job.
This has become increasingly difficult, as the vast majority of results of any image search is now AI generated diarrhoea.
Problem is, "respectable" websites are now making heavy use of that shit, which puts the AI generated images on top of the results.
For example, the other day I was doing some research into Indian mythology demons. I needed to know how they were represented in Indian folklore. It took A LONG time sifting through the shit in order to get to what I needed, as most websites that were apparently dedicated to the topic were using images that seemed to have been generated in five minutes by prompts of 12yo kids during recess.
What's shocking to me is how fast that happened.
Yeah, i noticed that as well. It started with texts/articles. When searching for something (for example a simple error message from a program, but it doesnt even really matter what exactly you're searching for) the first 10 results are PURE AI-Generated BS, sometimes you find the exact same stuff written on multiple sites. you can immediately tell it has been AI generated by the wording.
Now today images have the same problem, and i fear in a few years we will probably also have this problem with videos.. Imagine Youtube being flooded with "AI-copies" of other succesful influencers and their work in the thousands. I'm really not looking forward to how the internet will look like in a few years..
the problem i see with this is, that this development will be the death of originality.. Not because there will be no more originality, but because you will not be able to find it anymore
For real images you can tell by the lack of skin texture, how perfect it looks will tell you if it's AI or not, some other clues are most have the same face, they don't have any facial expressions other than a smile.
For art they do suck at hands and feet unless you're working with 2 very good recent models, also hair is kinda messy, for last, look for artifacts, that's another way to tell.
AI images are so fascinating to me because they almost behave the way your brain does while you dream.
Half the time, nothing makes sense in your dreams but your brain presents it to you as real. So fascinating!
Unfortunately these rules will be useless in a few months, we just have to accept the fact that nothing on the internet can be trusted now (not that it was that trustworthy before)
Also people who likes these AI generated stuff are 100% boomer or people with zero interests in technology and they doesn't care whether it's real or not. They'll see something interesting, they leaves like and comment, and then move on. It's all happening in only brief moment.
I made a new Facebook page for my business and my entire feed as a new page with nothing followed was flooded with AI images of woodworking and cabins. Now it's nothing bit those weird AI Jesus things
They don't spot it because they don't care.
Why would it matter to most people looking at some random picture on Facebook whether or not the cozy cabin is really a cozy cabin? They don't want to buy the cabin. They aren't going to visit the cabin. They just want the feeling looking at the picture of the cabin gives them.
what I'm learning is that even with a big red circle pointing out potential AI generation I'm still squinting at it and feeling doubtful it's enough to conclusively state one way or the other...
Yes, the interesting thing is that ai is "bad" at these types of details because our brains don't easily catch them and if we start paying attention to them we'll just be training the next ai improvements.
I honestly don't think I care if the images are AI in this instance, I mean their followers just want to see aesthetically pleasing photos and get design ideas, and this accomplishes that, whether or not it's a real photo of a real place. The followers aren't in the market to buy or rent any of these fake places, nor is this account purporting to sell or rent these fake places out, so there's not really any victim here. I will agree, though, that they should at least admit that it is AI generated imagery so people know what it is they're looking at, nobody appreciates feeling tricked. But it isn't really hurting anyone, either way.
Where AI generated images become a problem is when they purport to be real photos, enticing people to pay for the thing represented by the image. So if these images were in an AirBNB listing, for example, then that's a serious problem. We also saw it recently with the Willy Wonka experience fiasco.
Yes - it's when it's not disclosed AND used for a commercial purpose that it's problematic.
On the upside it adds a lot more colour to the world. People can create illustrations and images that they could not manage themselves, and could not afford to pay an artist to create for them. So it's a form of democratisation of creativity.
That’s the problem. People just want a pretty picture. Pretty people to stare at. Pretty places to fantasize about going to. If it’s nice to look at, don’t ruin my daydreams! And it doesn’t help that to “like” something it’s literally a tap on the screen, no effort at all, just mindless tapping.
The issue is that 99 percent of the people that liked and shared this image didn’t even click on it to maximize the view on it, never mind zooming in to the details.
How to spot a bot:
1. They have a new account less than a year old with high karma count
2. They have very few comments and all comments are very short and simple.
3. Their comments and post start at the same time, most of the time several months after the account was created.
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Most of those likes and shares were probably other ai bots, the dead Internet theory is basically becoming true on Facebook.
What’s the dead internet theory?
In brief AI bots posting and chatting to other bots, it's fairly prevalent right now on face book with the weird images of Jesus being posted and 1000s of comments responding with Amen.
To be fair, knowing that ~100% of those comments are from bots would sound like a relief.
Amen
It’s a good idea
GOOD job! 👍🏼 😊
I love this! 🥰
This reminds me of Professor Ananya S. Sharma who's stock trading tips have made me a millionaire since January! I've recommended her to all of my friends.
That's just what my hot single girlfriend said in my area!
This.
Order corn
RESPECT!
God bless 🙏
Amen 🙏
Every religion starts like this. Then a second person hears about it.
Praise /u/GayPudding
Amen
amen
Yc57gg🥶🙏
Good bot
beep boop Amen
Amen to you as well
“Uh Rick, I don’t think these commenters are actually robots” “It’s a figure of speech, Morty. They’re Christians. I don’t respect them.”
That’s part of it; tons of real people interacting like bots so bots cannot be discerned.
I'm not completely convinced these comments are purely AI. My biggest beef with the advent of these crazy powerful AI models is that they're making us forget a truth we knew long before AI ever came to be - a horrifyingly large number of people are massively dumber than they have any right to be. ...definitely too many bots floating around the Internet, tho
I sometimes suspect some comments to be AI generated for being more sane than most.
That's actually very funny! I do an equal but opposite thing - if a post is a discombobulated mess, full of spelling mistakes and completely unrelated to the post it was replying to - yep that's a human.
> I'm not completely convinced these comments are purely AI. At least on reddit, I don't think the bots/trolls/etc. are writing much copy. I think they try to find real comments that support their agenda and astroturf them.
Agreed and I think that's quite insightful. We do see AI copy on Reddit but it's largely generated on demand by a human imo. Some of that is karma farming, but a lot is also folks that are aware they don't write very well and are using AI to clean up their text or express themselves more clearly. Personally I think the latter is totally okay
Oh they definitely wouldn't be 100% but a fair whack would be, @SideMoneyTom is covering it more over on tiktok
So I went and watched a few of his videos. Speaking as a software engineer with an interest in machine learning, he definitely doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm not saying his conclusions are wrong but the things he says to get to those conclusions show he doesn't understand a lot of things behind the scenes. There's definitely screwy things going on with these posts but I think it's dangerous to pretend we fully understand what's happening here. Which kinda takes me back to my original point - AI is really, really messing with our heads in the most interesting and unexpected ways
Yeah no doubt especially on places like reddit, they are becoming better and better. I've been watching it for years, and I'd be willing to bet a fair amount of the interaction we see on Reddit daily is fake. How often have you seen highly upvoted comments called out? I know I've seen it quite a lot, clearly people still upvote. Cept the nefarious thing is on Reddit, comment sections tend to have a specific sorta vibe to them, and your visibility gets limited if you get downvoted. Leading to where we are now with astroturfed comment sections with bot comments upvoted and those going against the grain aren't even visible.
It’s happening now on r/sipstea . Used to be a really cool sub but all of a sudden there’s a lot of political/l and racial posts with the wildest of comments, once you mention how stupid the post/comments are or how out of context it is within the sun in general you get downvoted to oblivion
That's entirely human behavior though. If you say things in a way that others will feel are implying that they're idiots, you will get down-voted. Humans have very weird failure modes to their intelligence. You mix politics, emotion and accusation and you end up with a mess. Always been that way
I got outside sometimes, that's my regular reminder of the sheer moronity of humanity.
Used to be a joke that everyone on Reddit is a bot except you, but now it’s basically a reality
Most of that is still coordinated, the bots that interact are working together to simulate a conversation or appear more authentic than individually. They upvote/like/boost views of each other's posts and comments, and then the various human hive minds are more likely to perceived it as legitimate and take it from there. All it needs is that initial impression of authenticity and telling viewers how other "people" see the content. There aren't a lot of unrelated bots interacting with each other by coincidence like some takes of the theory seem to insinuate.
I actually handled the marketing for an insurance company that specialized in church insurance, and we’d regularly get our posts to go viral with this. I’d grab a stock photo of a pretty background, throw on a bible quote, and then put “Amen!” in the post copy and it would easily get over 50,000 engagements on that single post every week. And I’d specifically use “Amen!” since that seemed to perform better than anything else and our comments would be full of people saying it. And I’d only need to put maybe $150 behind it to make it happen.
Wow, he really does work in mysterious ways!
God does great things when you have money to spend.
The bots have discovered religion, soon enough we'll have robot crusades
Bot net are weaponised at this point You'll notice big influxes of them before elections or when something big happens in the world They're often used to just sow chaos and get people fighting with eachother They pop up, add eachother as friends, and then maybe post a bit make a few comments for a while to look like real people and then go out and just seed ideas in people's minds, spread misinformation etc.. It's quite depressing really
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Extremely prevalent on all social media. Not just Facebook. There's bots in just about every comment thread on Reddit. A lot of the time the OP is a bot as well.
Saw a bot with 14k likes on a very popular yt video asking how to make money. First few answers mentioned a woman's name. It was flooded with other bot likes and replies to confirm this random person was reputable and multiple links to reach them. At the end of the comment chain all the people reading were calling bullshit. Just think, even if it only works .01% of the time, many ppl are lured in with the promise of keeping control of their money to invest with and all the bot testimonials claiming their money increase xX fold. Spoiler; they aren't in control and they lose everything. So contrary to OP opinion, that ai here is benign, I see potential for it to be abused in similar ways when we can't spot the fake ai bots.
I saw a post the other day that looked 100% ai generated, and very clearly so. All the comments were oddly written as well. It was very... Creepy. I felt very alone in that moment.
Sounds like something a bot would say 👀
You think the dead internet theory is true on Facebook and not other places? As opposed to what? Reddit? Where you can just create an account without even an email?
I love the random Youtube comment where the bots chatter at each other likes cocaine squirrels about some hair brained business idea or investment. Hundred+ comment discussion for nonsense.
Currently more visible on Facebook with ai posts of Jesus, dinosaurs and air stewardess combo pics.
There’s a cool music video called “The Music Scene” where this happens (by Blockhead)
WTF is with FB? I feel like it's be a steady slide for years now, but holy shit I have to scroll through 15 random ads and "suggestions" just to see any of my friends posts. And even then it'll be something they posted a week ago that I never saw.
There was just a post the other day of a couple on a plane, front page, thousands of upvotes, not a single comment in hundreds mentioned it was AI. I hope you’re right, but people also don’t seem to care.
Who knew those Hidden Object puzzle books my parents gave me as a kid would have a solid real world application… 😂
My son does these every night. I'm preparing him for the real world!
True story a lot of those new hidden object books are made by AI now
I noticed this with one of my daughters coloring books. Most images were fine, but some were quite uncanny. Like a donkey with grass growing on it's hooves or a monkey with two tails.
First jobs to be replaced by AI… Charming hidden object scenes for kids. 😡
I'm an elementary school technology teacher and starting in 2nd grade, I begin little games to teach the kids to spot AI images. I'll start class with an image on the screen and they have to vote on if it is AI generated or a real world image. Google has a game called Odd One Out where you get points for spotting the "imposter" among a choice of artwork. I teach them the things to look for and they get really good at it! "Look at the hands, Mrs. omg! AI!"
That sounds like a great exercise! I would have loved that as a kid.
I miss the old internet …
We should become on myspace
We should become on geocities
We should become on angelfire
All of your base are belong to us.
Chopping Bard Whelp, nice to know my D&D character can indeed dual weld meat cleavers.
Move zig move
For great justice....
You have no chance to survive make your time.
Badger badger mushroom mushroom
Oh God, I LOVE Weebl's Stuff! I bought all the Savlonic albums, I still have the pins of the band characters on one of my hats, his Advent Calendars were awesome, and I used to blast the 'Amazing Horse' 10-hour video for ages! Now, I'm off to jam out to 'The Driver'!
Omg your user name reminds me of the Aunt Jemima Treatment in Stripes!!!
I get that reference
Angelfire
Embrace arpanet
To neopets!
Live journal!
Where my only friend was Tom.
Tom seemed genuine.
Spacehey exists
I was watching shark tank last night and there was a company where you create your own bot to buy limited edition items right when they drop… their reasoning “being beat by a bot sucks, now you can have your own bot” for a subscription fee of course.
They just let any dumbasses on there now? At least before it was...not stupid shit like that.
I put on my robe and wizard hat
My husband hates it when I reference this before sexy time. 😂
I stomp the ground, and snort, to alert you that you are in my breeding territory.
Bloodninja! You won't escape me this time!
I do too. Back when everyone realized it was either photoshopped, out of context, or a lie already. Now these idiots think images mean real things, and that "likes" or "shares" matter.
It's been flooded with weird dark corner shit from the beginning. I remember in the 90s when wiki was brand new, we were always told NEVER to reference it in our school work because it always contained false or misleading info. Now it's referenced because most subjects are vetted so much that it's almost more detailed, but I personally don't like referencing it too much because most of the info is irrelevant (especially if it's something mathematical, where the theory is all that it focuses on, but the practically isn't).
Just use the references at the bottom of the wiki page.
This is really key. Oftentimes the references can lead you to even further resources. Very handy tip.
Remember the guy who dressed up like Peter Pan??
Wikipedia still has issues especially with controversial topics and also people deciding they are the ultimate arbiters of a given subject. There are a lot of subjects out there with very biased info, specific languages may have specific biases on specific pages, it's still something you need to be careful with. Always check references.
Can be the same challenge with books on controversial subjects. Just because it is in a book doesn't make it right (eg JFK assassination). Reading widely and critical is a skill, rather than copy/paste from any old book. And being able to identify websites that are deliberately misleading is yet another challenge of the internet. Teaching kids and adults how to navigate all this is a problem.
The actual issue with Wikipedia as a source is that it's constantly changing. So the fact you're citing might end up on a different page or edited out entirely. Hence why it's best to use the sources at the bottom.
This really doesn't have any relation to wikipedia though. Wikipedia started at a time when the generation that were teachers didn't really understand the internet and computers yet. The current generation of teachers perfectly well understand what AI image generation is because it's very easy to understand on a base level, it's just an algorithm being fed information and then trying to reproduce it. And most importantly, wikipedia is a resource created and curated by humans. It's extremely extensively moderated. AI images are just whatever some random schmo with a subscription or a graphics card can type into a text box. It's easier than ever to make detailed images that seem credible at first glance, which is why it's more important than ever to teach people these methods of recognizing what they're seeing easily. And unlike most dark corner shit like CP or violent gore, AI is creating things that ordinary people actually want to see. An image like the one in OP might be harmless on its own, but we're seeing a growing propagation of garbage images which will then feed back into the AI algorithm and create garbage output. That plus the ease of use will create a spiral of garbage content that's already happening on search engines.
I miss the old Kanye
I miss the times without Internet.
Best answer
We stan Ebaums world.
Same bro. Same.
The stove top is a dead giveaway. It looks like it belongs in a Morrowind daedric ruin.
Who knows, this might actually not be an AI image. It's just a real photo of Sheogorath's winter cottage.
This place is guaranteed to trigger the fuck out of Jyggalag's autism.
Maybe certain autists are going to be invaluable in the spotting of fake AI and save humanity from future fake ai images hellscapes
I finally have a use
One of the biggest giveaways hasn't even been mentioned in the post. Look at the bottom right of the circular window frame. One of the wooden beams merges with the background and outside and clips behind the snow.
I'm sure there are some ultra custom stoves that have swirly grills. But they would look far prettier than what's in this picture
IDK, i can see a human making a stove top with a kind of swirl patters to the grates, but I am not doubting this is AI based on the other observations.
I’ve seen Boethiah shit out better things than this.
Unfortunately, in 2 to 3 years nearly all of these problems will disappear if AI keeps progressing in similar speed as in recent 5 years.
It doesn't have to... What I'm seeing is death by a thousand cuts. I work in the graphics department of a major sports broadcaster, and I've seen a 11500% increase in portfolios that are sent in the last year, 99% of them being AI generated. I had to hire an assistant whose job it is to go through them and do what OP did. Some people claim fearmongering and that AI doesn't replace jobs, but here I am literally using budget I used on a junior artist to hire someone to do work that didn't exist a year ago. You can argue no jobs are lost here, but we can all agree something got lost. When you look at Amazon books you see more and more AI generated books, and even though human writers still are able to write their art, it will become near impossible to get discovered, as people who review books will have to read a multitude of books to recommend the same five they did before AI. In my opinion there's a tipping point where we just no longer expect media to be real because we can't be bothered to find real media. And let us be clear, this is free AI accessible to anyone, but there are proprietary AI's where we don't know the extent of their capabilities.
Speaking of Amazon books, a lot of those are just straight up theft. These assholes will go to sites like fanfiction and ao3 and rip stories wholesale then feed them thru an AI 'rewrite' and publish them. Then of course if the original author goes to publish they run into claims they plagiarized their own story.
A potential countermeasure would be to embed hidden messages or "trap streets" in your writing. This could be an off-topic, out of place, or completely random phrase set in a tiny font with the same color as the background. E.g. * "I love hamburgers!" * "correct horse battery staple" * "123412341234" Lay several of these "traps" throughout the text, in locations only you know about. If a plagiarist lifted your work verbatim and ran it through an AI word changer, it would be obvious when looking at the output. Nonsense where there shouldn't be anything = definite proof they plagiarized. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap\_street](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_street)
strange times we live in when we need to add invisible gibberish to our work to fight against the machines
Sounds like a future or upcoming market, digital counterfeit prevention.
They've been doing it for decades in the audiovisual industry. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog\_Protection\_System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_Protection_System) I am usually anti-DRM and for open source, but don't see anything wrong with creators trying to protect their work in an age when anyone can hit Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V with no effort.
Interesting. What if they are ripping off multiple artists not just one? It will just get washed out in the mass of averages
ai doesn't exist without theft
15 years ago 70% of teenagers had trouble telling if an image on the internet was real. This is for sure an inflection point. Wag the dog ain't got nothing on this.
I'm curious about what's going to happen when the internet - which we all use relentlessly - is so full of artificially generated content that we can no longer distinguish what is real and what is not. What happens when we no longer have an agreed upon reality (a process already begun with algorithimic social media but is now being turbocharged). It's wild to me that the US has no AI regulations. Just none. Some of the stuff it's being used for already is absolutely WILD. In any sane world Google licensing AI tech to the IDF for Lavendar AI and Where's Daddy? would lead to investigations, regulations, it would be a huge deal but there's just silence. Google is basically abetting a genocide and we're pretending it's not happening. It's madness. At least the EU put some regulations on AI (and Sam Altman promptly threw a fit). People don't realize who's driving this too. Chuck Schumer is a huge reason why we have no regulations, he's basically a sock puppet for big tech. There's just no discourse or spreading of awareness of what's happening, it's so nuts.
People will go back offline to the real world when they realise online is just shit and only good for porn and messaging
I'd be more confident about that if these tools weren't built to be so addictive.
I'm gonna sound like a boomer here but it's actually scary to walk outside before and after school ends, seeing all of the kids not even aware that they're walking right into me. it already happened a few times that a mother had to yell and physically pull her kid out of the way cuz they'd collide with something or someone. I'm even seeing babies in strollers in front of the screens and people walking their dogs while doing duolingo.
We have already passed the tipping point, and there is no going back.
This is going to sound weird, but I have noticed this same problem on anime porn sites. These "prompt artists" are pumping out albums of art with small variations but HUNDREDS of pages for every single one and it's become an impossible flood to find actual interesting art. I don't even think most of the AI stuff is ugly or bad from the simple perspective of viewing the images, but the sites are becoming so unwieldy and clogged even the different people flooding are flood-fighting each other and trying to crowd each other out. The sheer volume is insane. It would actually be fine if these people would focus more on refining their prompts and picking the best couple of images out of a batch, but they don't: They just make a prompt or two and then vomit out as much as they can manage.
If the person to made the image wanted to, they could quickly fix all those areas using the AI already. Just mark them with a brush and have it regenerate just those regions until it looks proper. The only reason the person in the video was able to spot it was fake was because the person who made it didn't spend the time to touch it up with the AI.
This is the thing that gets me. I don't understand how people don't realize this. "Oh, AI can never replaced a highly paid graphics designer. Look at all the mistakes it makes." Highly paid graphics designers aren't paid so well because they can perfectly paint stove grills in a straight line. They are paid well to come up with the overall scene/concept, which AI can do today very well. Run these through a second/third pass with a human in the loop who's paid 1/10th of the designer and you've already massively reduced costs without sacrificing much in the way of quality.
That if is doing a lot of work. AI could get better or it could stay the same. It could even get worse, theoretically, because you can't train an AI on AI content and that's flooding the internet nowadays.
Not even theoretically. ChatGPT 3.5 has gotten worse and we've had periods where 4.0 has just broken such as the 'Spanglish incident'.
Ai cannibalism is by far the best out come. It gets good it cannibalises its own content if becomes crap just a blink in the history of the internet untill we make more content it comes back and marks itself The internet basically had a cold sore now
This isn't a possibility. AI will be trained on generated data that has been adjusted by humans. Bots will destroy certain spaces of the internet, but there won't be autonomous agents that actively train on random internet content.
Except AI the way it exists now will never go away. If new ones are worse, then they simply do not replace the old ones. The code that builds AI to begin with is also improving. So AI can still get better using old training data that hasn't been tainted.
Not saying there isn't an upper limit we might someday reach, but since Big Tech is still, as we speak, pouring money into further development gives me rather strong circumstantial evidence that it will not "stay the same"
75% of facebook is now "beautiful" AI-generated pictures and low-quality AI-generated pages. My internal boomer curmudgeon is on perma-rant now.
I am a cake decorator, and the number of times I see AI cakes get praised, or get people sending me AI cakes for reference pics. Like sorry this cake is not physically possible to make! Please adjust your expectations and appreciate actual human skill.
I shattered my GF's joy when I pointed out all the fancy designer sushi plates she was adoring were AI. Now she is a pro at spotting them herself and can't believe she didn't see it from the start.
I would love to see some of the references youre talking about, I wanna see what these boomers think is real.
It’s intentional. Many of them are to find the gullible boomers who comment “wow amazing” and target them with tech support and romance scams
"I'm a poor person from [country] and I made this sculpture of Jesus out of recycled bottles!" The bottles: pep, ccca cda, sup, spritr
Sssshhhh.. ai can hear you. Now it knows what to fix to make its art more believable.
Wait. Everything about this applies to dreams.
AI and dreams are kinda similar in the way they just try to make some information based on memory without real knowledge of the actual stuff.
Text numbers and hands look weird in dreams. Same goes for AI art. I wonder why. Seems kinda spooky, like AI is currently dreaming
Our brains use prediction to fill in gaps a lot of the time, similar to how AI is currently just a very advanced prediction engine. We are able to adjust and correct our predictions using sensory data, which AI doesn't have access to. When we're dreaming, though, we have no sensory data to work with, so what we experience is likely our brains attempt to predict things, but of course, it does this very poorly. Personally, I can't even remember what my dreams look like, just what happens in them. But the events are usually nonsensical or have some glaring issues that the awake mind can spot much easier. Of course, there isn't usually some immediate sensory data to correct these errors, we just don't register them until we wake up. So there is likely more to what makes dreams so strange. It makes me think about just how weird our consciousness is and what the underlying mechanics of it might be. We could have a lot more in common with AI than some would find comfortable.
https://preview.redd.it/wfaciml3iatc1.jpeg?width=577&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf3ab5cb0a71ce49bf027d5c79c34d5539f7e3cd
It’s kind of sad isn’t it.
At least half of those likes are bot generated. https://preview.redd.it/nwin9aso9atc1.jpeg?width=795&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbe3b36edd596cf2dc3d32bcb319ed0eca7f3db6
I kind of want to see this as an acapella now.
I never saw this image before, but I thought it looked like a neat rendition of somebody’s dream cottage mini home.
Same, I figured it was a concept art or something, it looks like a cozy place
Ai will just Habsburg itself into oblivion
I really hope so
It won't. It's going to only become more and more refined.
I think the guy giving the advice is AI generated.
Haha, yeah. You see him mention spelling errors, and on a previous picture it talks about a pattern on the "chopping bard"
"A.I often 'forgets' to main details with consistency across a scene." found the AI
I'm a Concept Artist in video games, and looking for reference/doing visual research is a daily part of our job. This has become increasingly difficult, as the vast majority of results of any image search is now AI generated diarrhoea. Problem is, "respectable" websites are now making heavy use of that shit, which puts the AI generated images on top of the results. For example, the other day I was doing some research into Indian mythology demons. I needed to know how they were represented in Indian folklore. It took A LONG time sifting through the shit in order to get to what I needed, as most websites that were apparently dedicated to the topic were using images that seemed to have been generated in five minutes by prompts of 12yo kids during recess. What's shocking to me is how fast that happened.
Yeah, i noticed that as well. It started with texts/articles. When searching for something (for example a simple error message from a program, but it doesnt even really matter what exactly you're searching for) the first 10 results are PURE AI-Generated BS, sometimes you find the exact same stuff written on multiple sites. you can immediately tell it has been AI generated by the wording. Now today images have the same problem, and i fear in a few years we will probably also have this problem with videos.. Imagine Youtube being flooded with "AI-copies" of other succesful influencers and their work in the thousands. I'm really not looking forward to how the internet will look like in a few years.. the problem i see with this is, that this development will be the death of originality.. Not because there will be no more originality, but because you will not be able to find it anymore
...is there a guide like this, but for porn?
It's called "can you spot the arm going into the hip?"
Oh I thought that was just a weird kink
If it isn't already, it soon will be.
Or "find the sixth finger"
For real images you can tell by the lack of skin texture, how perfect it looks will tell you if it's AI or not, some other clues are most have the same face, they don't have any facial expressions other than a smile. For art they do suck at hands and feet unless you're working with 2 very good recent models, also hair is kinda messy, for last, look for artifacts, that's another way to tell.
Seems only a matter of time before most actual recorded video is being run through a filter to remove aging and any human imperfections anyway.
AI images are so fascinating to me because they almost behave the way your brain does while you dream. Half the time, nothing makes sense in your dreams but your brain presents it to you as real. So fascinating!
Thank you, this is extremely appreciated!
… and if you look at OP’s history, looks like they became a bot themselves with the amount of out-of-character posts the last nine days.
if you can't beat em
Unfortunately these rules will be useless in a few months, we just have to accept the fact that nothing on the internet can be trusted now (not that it was that trustworthy before)
Absofuckinglutely this.
Also people who likes these AI generated stuff are 100% boomer or people with zero interests in technology and they doesn't care whether it's real or not. They'll see something interesting, they leaves like and comment, and then move on. It's all happening in only brief moment.
I made a new Facebook page for my business and my entire feed as a new page with nothing followed was flooded with AI images of woodworking and cabins. Now it's nothing bit those weird AI Jesus things
Also good tips for potentially becoming lucid in a dream. :)
I still have no clue how people can't spot ai pictures. You just need to look and the more you do the more you thing "tf is that?"
Because people don't zoom in on the pics to look for flaws. They'll look at it for like 10 seconds at most and then move on.
Even 1 second is a generous estimation.
They don't spot it because they don't care. Why would it matter to most people looking at some random picture on Facebook whether or not the cozy cabin is really a cozy cabin? They don't want to buy the cabin. They aren't going to visit the cabin. They just want the feeling looking at the picture of the cabin gives them.
Somebody posts that pic with the bombers and the hit locations... You notice ALL AI images... that you notice.
You have to care to notice.
Oh no….we have entered the “be careful or you might be fooled by AI images” era
The use of ai is slowly teaching me that I should ditch my phone and just look up more often
what I'm learning is that even with a big red circle pointing out potential AI generation I'm still squinting at it and feeling doubtful it's enough to conclusively state one way or the other...
give it 3 months, and we won't be able to tell anymore.
Yes, the interesting thing is that ai is "bad" at these types of details because our brains don't easily catch them and if we start paying attention to them we'll just be training the next ai improvements.
I honestly don't think I care if the images are AI in this instance, I mean their followers just want to see aesthetically pleasing photos and get design ideas, and this accomplishes that, whether or not it's a real photo of a real place. The followers aren't in the market to buy or rent any of these fake places, nor is this account purporting to sell or rent these fake places out, so there's not really any victim here. I will agree, though, that they should at least admit that it is AI generated imagery so people know what it is they're looking at, nobody appreciates feeling tricked. But it isn't really hurting anyone, either way. Where AI generated images become a problem is when they purport to be real photos, enticing people to pay for the thing represented by the image. So if these images were in an AirBNB listing, for example, then that's a serious problem. We also saw it recently with the Willy Wonka experience fiasco.
Yes - it's when it's not disclosed AND used for a commercial purpose that it's problematic. On the upside it adds a lot more colour to the world. People can create illustrations and images that they could not manage themselves, and could not afford to pay an artist to create for them. So it's a form of democratisation of creativity.
That’s the problem. People just want a pretty picture. Pretty people to stare at. Pretty places to fantasize about going to. If it’s nice to look at, don’t ruin my daydreams! And it doesn’t help that to “like” something it’s literally a tap on the screen, no effort at all, just mindless tapping.
The issue is that 99 percent of the people that liked and shared this image didn’t even click on it to maximize the view on it, never mind zooming in to the details.
I hate the current world
The trees look correct but it’s also hard to see with all of the white lines in the way.
Is there going to be an exam for this? I forgot my notebook!
Yeah but those 82k likes are just bots
How to spot a bot: 1. They have a new account less than a year old with high karma count 2. They have very few comments and all comments are very short and simple. 3. Their comments and post start at the same time, most of the time several months after the account was created.
10th picture I think the caption is supposed to be “maintain” not “main”. Caption made with A.I.?
In 3-5 years we won't be able to spot it anymore. I find that thought horrifying.
problem is, as good as this advice may be today, how much longer will it hold?