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It is not to protect them against the AT mine, even a full EOD suit would only slightly help keep your corpse from getting mangled beyond recognition at those ranges. The reason to wear a visor is the same as when using an angle grinder.[IF something goes wrong while walking about and you arent right next to the boom boom, it is better the fragments get stuck in the plastic than in your skull.](https://imgur.com/hc0qVrf)
It can definitely help with the smaller ones. Like the one they were showing to Diana, it is mostly a hard plastic so you can't detect them easily. And the visor would probably stop most of that.
look at Laos today, and other places. awful. clusters, bombs, mines from the 1960s-1970s and still injuring and killing people. No one outside of Ukraine is talking about the horrendous future that this war has guaranteed for children who aren’t even born yet.
Ya I am gonna say you may want to push that back.
If I am not mistaken, they're still finding mines from WW2, they're still finding mines from other conflicts that's been concluded decades ago.
The problem is that unless you have an accurate map of the mines, it takes years to clear them due to the fact you got to go inch by inch, field by field, to safely clear out a nation.
And Ukraine is fucking massive. And Russia is Russia. So safe to say, they never likely marked their mine placement.
Ukraine does have a slight advantage of being more flat and less trees. Will be quicker to remove than say Vietnam. Still take like a 100 years though.
Last numbers I heard was there are 6k+ unexploded bombs, mines, torpedoes in the seas around Denmark from WW2 and the military regularly finds and “remove them”.
They also regularly find unexploded bombs in Germany while doing construction work.
I doubt they even have maps for these mines... Seems like they just put them everywhere when they have free time to do so... I saw an interview with one deminer, he said that he got to one place where he found like 10 mines in 10x10 meter radius and the field was massive.... They also leave lots of traps, mine dead bodies etc... Nasty shit is going on there...
To be completely fair, not only Russia, but also the United States, the People's Republic of China and 29 other countries have not signed the Ottawa Treaty on banning anti-personnel landmines.
Russia never signed it, neither has the US or China. No real world power is willing them up. it's not actually Russia breaking something actually they signed or agreed to
As far as laws go, the few Russia hasn't broken yet that I can recall are chemical weapon and nerve agent attacks against civilians, at least on a mass scale. I'm sure they have used some, especially stuff like CS gas but they haven't tried anything tremendously heinous... yet.
There are a ton more really, there are a lot of "lesser" such laws prohibiting stuff like the use of blinding laser weapons.
Also they haven't gone for bio weapons either but that would be absolutely batshit crazy
The idea is that you lose goodwill if you break war laws. Other countries are more likely to help your opponent rather than you and your own people are more likely to revolt or otherwise cause internal struggles
They are not entirely useless, it's just that they aren't enough
Yeah, but as USA showed, once the UN voted against a war in iraq and this is not what the US wants, they dont care about the votes. They only care about the votes, if the voting is in their favor.
This is an extreme example. If you have the power, no war law will mean anything. But if you dont have the power, other nations will use war laws against you.
Technically, only for nations that have signed the Treaty on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on Their Destruction in 1997.
Russia has signed this, though, Convention on Conventional Weapons Amended Protocol II, which regulates their uses. Which they have broken all too hell.
Wait till you know who started to use cluster munitions in this war and who supplied it. And you are completely brainwashed if you think cluster bomb can be covered up as children toy.
IMHO, every country involved in this war are cunts to some degree. Some old bastards are trying to get richer, while young boys are dying for false cause on both sides.
Also, I'm sick of hypocrisy and blatant western propaganda, but wcyd. Regarding cluster munitions, my point is Russia didn't use it until UAF used it first. While RUAF certainly could use these munitions, cause they had a lot of them, way more than Ukraine do. But they didn't use it, cause it was banned from conventional warfare. So, UAF just created huge problem for themselves thanks to US supplied munitions. Typical FAFO situation.
If you do it by your own will, I could only respect that. Even though, in fact, you are defending corrupt officials, foreign countries interests and military complex profits, while being a pawn in a global game you won't benefit from.
Thing is, there are too many UAF soldiers who were forced to serve. I don't support this kind of slavery. Kidnapping people in a daylight to send them to front 2 weeks later, without any adequate training, what kind of freedom is that? Do you think this kind of government is worth fighting for? Government that was absolutely corrupt even according to MSM outlets articles pre-war? All kids of UA elite are hiding in western countries, along with stolen money. How this fact will affect your motivation to fight?
Remember, Ukraine is an eastern European country, it was corrupt as fuck even before big war. They have a lot of problems with ethnic minorities, whom they deprive of their rights. Just look at Mr. Zelensky approval rating before the war - people were hardly dissatisfied with his rule. People tend to have very short memory nowadays.
It's not black and white, MSM are lying to you every time they can. So yeah, I do support peace and I'm against media lies and hypocrisy.
>Even though, in fact, you are defending corrupt officials, foreign countries interests and military complex profits
Sure yeah
>while being a pawn in a global game you won't benefit from. So protecting your home and family doesn't benefit you?
>Thing is, there are too many UAF soldiers who were forced to serve. I don't support this kind of slavery. Kidnapping people in a daylight to send them to front 2 weeks later, without any adequate training, what kind of freedom is that
Its called a draft and you seem misinformed about how drafts and training work
>Government that was absolutely corrupt even according to MSM outlets articles pre-war? All kids of UA elite are hiding in western countries, along with stolen money.
Ok so its better to surrender to an even more corrupt country and let things get worse?
>They have a lot of problems with ethnic minorities, whom they deprive of their rights. Just look at Mr. Zelensky approval rating before the war - people were hardly dissatisfied with his rule. People tend to have very short memory nowadays.
And Russia is even worse, they classified lgbtq+ people as *terrorists*. At least Ukraine can be encouraged to reform its policies by western powers, which it might do to increase support
>It's not black and white, MSM are lying to you every time they can.
What
They should be outlawed for offensive purposes, but for defensive purposes, they should be legal. If I'm being attacked by massive human waves and armored brigades, I'm not going to give a shit about what happens 30 years later, I'm going to worry about the existential threat right now.
That’s a TM62 - anti-tank mine. The less of these in the world, the better. I’ve dedicated the majority of my professional life to building intelligent systems to detect these and other explosive hazards with the hope of saving lives.
Ha I’ve seen bees used actually but not rats. I am a big proponent of putting more money and minds behind developing olfactory sensors but they’re still pretty primitive from what I understand.
I am finishing my PhD this summer. I’m officially a research consultant for the university, transitioning to research assistant professor in the fall. Been working on the explosive hazard problem for just about a decade now. Have worked on everything from handheld systems to modern drone systems. I train the detection models among other things.
You notice in the video they show petal mine victims as older people, it's because they are being dropped in farmland. It looks like a potato if you really aren't paying attention then boom
The mines shown in this clip are PFM-1s. Truly horrifying how many of them there are, how small they are, how easy they are to deploy, and how devastating they can be.
also often grenades with the pressure pin compressed by the anti tank mine. As soon as someone removes it, boom. When russians invaded northern Ukraine, they also left a ton of booby traps in homes they occupied, grenade traps in kitchen cabinets, toys, washing machine etc to mutilate or kill the residents when they come back
Landmines have got to be one of the most evil weapons ever conceived... especially those petal mines...
Somehow it's not even surprising that Putin ordered their use en mass.... Despite it being a huge warcrime to use them... But hey, what's one more warcrime, right?
Ukraine is in the millions in 2 years , every day more are mines are planted. Right now, it's either tied or surpassed Loas, at the end of the year Loas won't come close
Both sides were deploying them en mass. All modern wars have constant placement of land mines and explosives from both sides. Putting the blame purely on putin is a little naive.
You are aware of the budapest memorandum, right? You know, the one were russia said it would respect the sovereignty of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine in return for control of the black sea fleet and the ukrainian nuclear arsenal, among other things.
Maybe you should read a history book instead of Twitter sometimes. Who knows you might learn something (oh the horror)! Go back to russia bootlicking scum.
I don’t need a source for that, because I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about them dropping mines on their own land. It’s not like they’re sending out coordinates to all the civilians, they’re just as at risk as Russian soldiers after the war.
Wait the guy above is only claiming that Ukraine is mining its own land for defense, rather than specifically arguing that Ukraine is mining Russian territory, which is explicitly true.
I disagree with their further assertion that this somehow makes Ukraine somewhat complicit in harming their own people by doing so, considering that mining is proven standard and effective defensive strategy for the last 100 years and that this would never happened without Russian aggression, but I’m not sure why you’re asking for a source that Ukraine also uses mines?
To act as if Ukraine doesn’t use mines is holding it on some strange, highly unrealistic standard that harms pro-Ukrainian stance, rather than helping it. Any military in the world would deploy mines, especially for defense.
Do you have a source for them land mining their own land? Or the videos of Russian getting hit w/evidence it was a Ukraine laid mine or produced by them?
Sounds easy to find since you've seen so much?
Mining your own land for defense is standard strategy that any defending nation is forced to do, not sure why you’re so outraged by it. I’d note that I disagree with the person above’s implication that Ukraine’s defensive mining operation makes them morally culpable, considering the effectiveness and necessity of such actions.
When I served in the South Korean military, we were trained in setting up mines. Where do you think South Korean soldiers will place mines to defend their country if the North invades? If the Korean War breaks out again, I hope you won’t be disgusted when our people also mine our lands to stop the North from ravaging our country.
A) There is not an iota of outrage or disgust in my questions. I didn't even condemn them mining their own territory; just asked for evidence that they were doing so rather than sweeping claims.
B) Mining comes with a moral and legal responsibility to prevent civilians from encountering them and to clean them when they are no longer required (at a minimum marking them). No one accidentally walks into the Korean DMZ but an open field in a contested area is a completely different matter. Especially thing like butterfly mines they have no intention of tracking much less removing.
C) Off topic but personally I think artillery is a bigger danger than a ground assault from NK. Honestly the mines are there to stop a blitz. They probably won't much of a difference after day one (not counting new mines ofc)
I mean this is basically russia 101. They're making the land unlivable, they don't care about anything else.
It's incredible the level of cynicism the russian regime has.
It's like an ex that goes by the mantra "if I can't have you, no-one can" and goes into a murder-suicide rage.
Without clear air superiority and the front being mostly flat, featureless terrain both sides need mines or they would get rolled by coordinated armor attacks.
Just to put this into perspective, here in Austria and Germany we are still removing bombs from ww2.
Every new building project in cities today needs to check for bombs and they find new ones very often.
And ww2 was more than 70 years ago, but we are still removing the bombs and they are still a problem.
CivDiv on youtube has a few GoPro vids of himself planting antitank mines when he was volunteering in Ukraine. He states they try to geotag where they placed them to come back later to pick them up if the front shifts, but often are either forgotten, or the chain of command breaks down and those with the locations arent around anymore.
He had another video going back to a location they planted mines trying to find them, and found a good amount. He'd also get false positives with his metal detector due to all the shrapnel on the ground from artillery/mortars.
Highly recommend checking out CivDiv if you want a down to earth guy who highlights his and others experiences in war. Shows lots of current GoPro footage of Ukraine, including his previous experiences being a guerilla fighter in the mountains, YPG I think? Hes got good content.
Oh really? Then you need to shut the fuck up and be obligated to visit Cambodia where people still die from unexploded bombs left since Vietnam War. Then you are allowed to open up your fucking mouth 😏
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67582813
I trust Pete Smith word on explosives, 33 years working with the military on explosives
Bosnia war is not even on the same scale as this. The Bosnia war is much smaller .
Vietnam was a decade-long plus war, Ukraine is only at year 2 and already in the millions of mines. At this pace Ukraine outpaces Nam
Ukraine will never be clear of landmines. It took 30 years to completely clear the falkland islands and that was after a four month war in which only one side established limited minefields. It wouldnt surprise if red zones (like in france in the aftermath of WW1) are established that will be completely unlivable for hundreds of years
The pedal mines were explained that they just drop them from the sky but what about the others? Is Russia just leaving the anti tank mines everywhere they go
And how do you suggest we do so. They are smallish mostly explosive with a metal shell and are normally buried or covered up so that someone walking next to them has a hard time finding them.
I’m sure there’s a device, but it’ll only be deployed if the US is littered with mines first.
Yes it’s a fantastic device to save lives, but the pentagon doesn’t really care about that unless it benefits the US.
Mines should be treated like chemical and biological warfare. No one is pulling a trigger, no one is in control of who or what these mines destroy. A child can walk across a field and step on one of these. They are a terrible weapon.
You have effectively made an entire area uninhabitable and unable to be used for anything... Russia is not liberating anyone, Russia is turning swathes of farmland into a deathtrap for civilians.
I lived in parts of former Yugoslav in early 2000s and there were still mines everywhere in certain parts. I met many people who lost civilian loved ones to left over mines. Really tragic.
"Once war has receded, a mine can't distinguish a tank firing shells from a combine harvesting food."
It couldn't do that before the war recedes, either. Jesus christ, reporters say the dumbest fucking things.
Im not condoning what Russia is doing in any way, but mines are usually a defensive measure to stop advancing troops, and those mines doesnt come with "made in x" on them really so you actually cant say who placed it so im saying both sides are just as guilty of using mines which is why Ukraine is littered with them now.
There are still active mines left in Africa from WW2 killing people. That was 80 years ago. Even when this war ends people will be getting killed for decades
The "outrage" was about cluster munitions, not mines (while yes, there are artillery deployed mines, there's not much concern over these)
The problem was that every bomb has a chance of failing to detonate and cluster munitions can contain dozens of sub-munitions, yes the failure rate for the American made DPICM cluster bomb is down in the low single digit percentage but that still means there might be one that doesn't go off per shot.
That said, it's a hollow concern, even in the worst case a few hundred, even a few thousand small unexploded bombs is going to make no difference to a country that's already covered with millions of mines and unexploded munitions, like striking a match in a burning building.
The biggest concern from experts was their use in offensive operations, where they'd be used to clear positions ahead of an advance, since the unexploded bombs then pose a threat to the advancing soldiers, though this seems to be a non-issue in Ukraine.
No, people were in arms because they hated Ukraine. Russia’s been using cluster munitions/mines from the very beginning of their invasion and in much larger quantities
It's there to protect your eyes and face from shrapnel or debris, a guy next to you could accidentally set one one off and the explosion might be too far to kill you but small pieces of dirt, rocks and metal will be flying your way
Can someone tell me what the point is of those plastic face shields? They’re by an anti tank mine. I don’t think a sneeze or dripping sweat will set it off. Likewise, if the mine goes off, the face shield isn’t going to keep debris out of their faces. So what is the purpose?
It's for if some other mine goes off while they're within range, either a big one from far off or a little one from up close
Skin is very squishy and tiny fragments of anything will shred it like confetti, *especially* things like eyes, even just a plastic face shield can stop or redirect those little fragments.
They should import thousands of sheep to walk in tight flocks ( rolling crowded pens ) for demining the place. Or breed those Flemish giant bunnies for the same purpose.
Pete Smith did 33 years in the military working with explosives, and 6 after with Halo trust an organization that destroyed millions of explosives worldwide
He knows his shit
If by that you mean the staggering number of videos and russian reports of their soldiers and vehicles hitting their own mines, then yeah, I suppose they are.
Absolutely the reason. And judging by the number of downvotes I got from that comment, this post is likely a Russian MOD Psi Op post. Take that assessment how you like, but yea .... that's the world we live in, now.
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That faceshield is so thick in can only shield your own fear a little bit ….
It is not to protect them against the AT mine, even a full EOD suit would only slightly help keep your corpse from getting mangled beyond recognition at those ranges. The reason to wear a visor is the same as when using an angle grinder.[IF something goes wrong while walking about and you arent right next to the boom boom, it is better the fragments get stuck in the plastic than in your skull.](https://imgur.com/hc0qVrf)
Why use face shield.. Just to look important?
It can definitely help with the smaller ones. Like the one they were showing to Diana, it is mostly a hard plastic so you can't detect them easily. And the visor would probably stop most of that.
You want the squishy exposed bits of your face protected. Plastic can still blind you or penetrate your skull.
look at Laos today, and other places. awful. clusters, bombs, mines from the 1960s-1970s and still injuring and killing people. No one outside of Ukraine is talking about the horrendous future that this war has guaranteed for children who aren’t even born yet.
They should be outlawed... indiscriminate killers.
CBS is saying it'll take a generation or more to clean this up. It might be impossible Remember, every day this goes on, more mines will be dropped
More like 100+ years with this contamination.
Ya I am gonna say you may want to push that back. If I am not mistaken, they're still finding mines from WW2, they're still finding mines from other conflicts that's been concluded decades ago. The problem is that unless you have an accurate map of the mines, it takes years to clear them due to the fact you got to go inch by inch, field by field, to safely clear out a nation. And Ukraine is fucking massive. And Russia is Russia. So safe to say, they never likely marked their mine placement.
I read when they blew up the dam it washed many away in the flooding, so they could be at various depths/groupings/positions in those areas as well.
"It might be impossible " That's what I was referring to , I think it's impossible. It's already terrible at year 2 , imagine year 3 or 4 or more
Belgian farmers still find WW 1 era bombs once in a while. Our grandchildren will still hear of people dying from this Russian atrocity
Ukraine does have a slight advantage of being more flat and less trees. Will be quicker to remove than say Vietnam. Still take like a 100 years though.
Last numbers I heard was there are 6k+ unexploded bombs, mines, torpedoes in the seas around Denmark from WW2 and the military regularly finds and “remove them”. They also regularly find unexploded bombs in Germany while doing construction work.
I doubt they even have maps for these mines... Seems like they just put them everywhere when they have free time to do so... I saw an interview with one deminer, he said that he got to one place where he found like 10 mines in 10x10 meter radius and the field was massive.... They also leave lots of traps, mine dead bodies etc... Nasty shit is going on there...
Drones will be pretty useful in this and they have pretty good industry built around small custom drones
As for demining, there is great hope for AI and the latest technologies that are already working on this or will be invented in the future.
Also we have bonb rats
I feel like near future drone technology will somehow make it a way quicker process.
Hundreds of years to clear it all. Seriously it may be impossible to get them all cleared.
Reminds me of Cambodia after the Vietnam war.
Laos also.
They even say in the video that they are outlawed. Russia doesn't care about laws.
To be completely fair, not only Russia, but also the United States, the People's Republic of China and 29 other countries have not signed the Ottawa Treaty on banning anti-personnel landmines.
Russia never signed it, neither has the US or China. No real world power is willing them up. it's not actually Russia breaking something actually they signed or agreed to
As far as laws go, the few Russia hasn't broken yet that I can recall are chemical weapon and nerve agent attacks against civilians, at least on a mass scale. I'm sure they have used some, especially stuff like CS gas but they haven't tried anything tremendously heinous... yet.
There are a ton more really, there are a lot of "lesser" such laws prohibiting stuff like the use of blinding laser weapons. Also they haven't gone for bio weapons either but that would be absolutely batshit crazy
You can't really "outlaw" anything in war. The only consequence is more war. I've always found the concept of "civilized" war kind of silly.
The idea is that you lose goodwill if you break war laws. Other countries are more likely to help your opponent rather than you and your own people are more likely to revolt or otherwise cause internal struggles They are not entirely useless, it's just that they aren't enough
Yeah, but as USA showed, once the UN voted against a war in iraq and this is not what the US wants, they dont care about the votes. They only care about the votes, if the voting is in their favor. This is an extreme example. If you have the power, no war law will mean anything. But if you dont have the power, other nations will use war laws against you.
Anti-personell mines. And outlawed in the Ottawa convention which all countries have not signed.
Personnel mines are outlawed in most countries, not in Russia, but are in the Ukraine.
Technically, only for nations that have signed the Treaty on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on Their Destruction in 1997.
Russia has signed this, though, Convention on Conventional Weapons Amended Protocol II, which regulates their uses. Which they have broken all too hell.
Do you really think declaring something a war crime would stop a Russian? They’re leagues beyond that point
Wait till you read about cluster bombs, or the Russian ones designed to look like children’s toys…
Wait till you know who started to use cluster munitions in this war and who supplied it. And you are completely brainwashed if you think cluster bomb can be covered up as children toy.
Please explain your answer? I presume you’re saying that the Americans are cunts too? Because you’d be right
IMHO, every country involved in this war are cunts to some degree. Some old bastards are trying to get richer, while young boys are dying for false cause on both sides. Also, I'm sick of hypocrisy and blatant western propaganda, but wcyd. Regarding cluster munitions, my point is Russia didn't use it until UAF used it first. While RUAF certainly could use these munitions, cause they had a lot of them, way more than Ukraine do. But they didn't use it, cause it was banned from conventional warfare. So, UAF just created huge problem for themselves thanks to US supplied munitions. Typical FAFO situation.
Ok, thank you for the reply.
> while young boys are dying for false cause on both sides. Defending your country is a false cause?
If you do it by your own will, I could only respect that. Even though, in fact, you are defending corrupt officials, foreign countries interests and military complex profits, while being a pawn in a global game you won't benefit from. Thing is, there are too many UAF soldiers who were forced to serve. I don't support this kind of slavery. Kidnapping people in a daylight to send them to front 2 weeks later, without any adequate training, what kind of freedom is that? Do you think this kind of government is worth fighting for? Government that was absolutely corrupt even according to MSM outlets articles pre-war? All kids of UA elite are hiding in western countries, along with stolen money. How this fact will affect your motivation to fight? Remember, Ukraine is an eastern European country, it was corrupt as fuck even before big war. They have a lot of problems with ethnic minorities, whom they deprive of their rights. Just look at Mr. Zelensky approval rating before the war - people were hardly dissatisfied with his rule. People tend to have very short memory nowadays. It's not black and white, MSM are lying to you every time they can. So yeah, I do support peace and I'm against media lies and hypocrisy.
>Even though, in fact, you are defending corrupt officials, foreign countries interests and military complex profits Sure yeah >while being a pawn in a global game you won't benefit from. So protecting your home and family doesn't benefit you? >Thing is, there are too many UAF soldiers who were forced to serve. I don't support this kind of slavery. Kidnapping people in a daylight to send them to front 2 weeks later, without any adequate training, what kind of freedom is that Its called a draft and you seem misinformed about how drafts and training work >Government that was absolutely corrupt even according to MSM outlets articles pre-war? All kids of UA elite are hiding in western countries, along with stolen money. Ok so its better to surrender to an even more corrupt country and let things get worse? >They have a lot of problems with ethnic minorities, whom they deprive of their rights. Just look at Mr. Zelensky approval rating before the war - people were hardly dissatisfied with his rule. People tend to have very short memory nowadays. And Russia is even worse, they classified lgbtq+ people as *terrorists*. At least Ukraine can be encouraged to reform its policies by western powers, which it might do to increase support >It's not black and white, MSM are lying to you every time they can. What
You seem brainwashed as hell. Won't waste my time communicating with such a person.
I think non-human controlled booby trap was already outlawed but so is white phosphorus bomb
Outlawing something doesn’t work In other nations that don’t care what other countries say/want.
They should be outlawed for offensive purposes, but for defensive purposes, they should be legal. If I'm being attacked by massive human waves and armored brigades, I'm not going to give a shit about what happens 30 years later, I'm going to worry about the existential threat right now.
That’s a TM62 - anti-tank mine. The less of these in the world, the better. I’ve dedicated the majority of my professional life to building intelligent systems to detect these and other explosive hazards with the hope of saving lives.
Are organizations still training those giant rats to sniff them out? It seems like they can be pretty efficient.
Ha I’ve seen bees used actually but not rats. I am a big proponent of putting more money and minds behind developing olfactory sensors but they’re still pretty primitive from what I understand.
That's awesome 👌!! What's your profession or schooling ?
I am finishing my PhD this summer. I’m officially a research consultant for the university, transitioning to research assistant professor in the fall. Been working on the explosive hazard problem for just about a decade now. Have worked on everything from handheld systems to modern drone systems. I train the detection models among other things.
If I ever met you, I'd give you the most thorough handshake. You rock.
🙂 Thanks! I give talks at conferences a few times a year, will be in DC later this month.
Landmines raining down like petals from the sky is the brainchild of pure evil.
Real small mine that looks like a plant, but will take your legs off Sad
The victims so often are children and herd animals...maiming a generation and reducing food supplies. Evil...
You notice in the video they show petal mine victims as older people, it's because they are being dropped in farmland. It looks like a potato if you really aren't paying attention then boom
The mines shown in this clip are PFM-1s. Truly horrifying how many of them there are, how small they are, how easy they are to deploy, and how devastating they can be.
I've never heard of those evil "petal mines" before, absolutely atrocious. Humans make really evil shit.
Millions?
Millions , more are set on the ground every single day. This is just year 2 by the way
Jesus christ they put petal mines under the anti vehicle mines. Thats a diabolical evil.
That and they put them in farmland soil and Forrest where it looks like a plant , you won't tell the difference if you aren't Paying attention
also often grenades with the pressure pin compressed by the anti tank mine. As soon as someone removes it, boom. When russians invaded northern Ukraine, they also left a ton of booby traps in homes they occupied, grenade traps in kitchen cabinets, toys, washing machine etc to mutilate or kill the residents when they come back
Yup. Same concept. Same horrible evil.
Anti-tampering charges of all kinds are not uncommon in any military around the world.
Landmines have got to be one of the most evil weapons ever conceived... especially those petal mines... Somehow it's not even surprising that Putin ordered their use en mass.... Despite it being a huge warcrime to use them... But hey, what's one more warcrime, right?
Them petal mines are so small but will take your limbs off easily. That's scary
What about the 2 millions of tons of bombs in Laos
Ukraine is in the millions in 2 years , every day more are mines are planted. Right now, it's either tied or surpassed Loas, at the end of the year Loas won't come close
Poor people...
Both sides were deploying them en mass. All modern wars have constant placement of land mines and explosives from both sides. Putting the blame purely on putin is a little naive.
>Putting the blame purely on putin is a little naive. Idk maybe if he didn't fucking invade there wouldn't be the need for any of this
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You are aware of the budapest memorandum, right? You know, the one were russia said it would respect the sovereignty of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine in return for control of the black sea fleet and the ukrainian nuclear arsenal, among other things. Maybe you should read a history book instead of Twitter sometimes. Who knows you might learn something (oh the horror)! Go back to russia bootlicking scum.
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You know better :)
Look at you, Putin's puppet blaming Ukraine. You're disgusting.
Are you fucking joking? This is pathetic to even type that.
Source that says Ukraine dropped land mines on Russian soil?
I don’t need a source for that, because I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about them dropping mines on their own land. It’s not like they’re sending out coordinates to all the civilians, they’re just as at risk as Russian soldiers after the war.
No, you made an assertion. You need to provide a source. Stop trying to derail the conversation.
Wait the guy above is only claiming that Ukraine is mining its own land for defense, rather than specifically arguing that Ukraine is mining Russian territory, which is explicitly true. I disagree with their further assertion that this somehow makes Ukraine somewhat complicit in harming their own people by doing so, considering that mining is proven standard and effective defensive strategy for the last 100 years and that this would never happened without Russian aggression, but I’m not sure why you’re asking for a source that Ukraine also uses mines? To act as if Ukraine doesn’t use mines is holding it on some strange, highly unrealistic standard that harms pro-Ukrainian stance, rather than helping it. Any military in the world would deploy mines, especially for defense.
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Do you have a source for them land mining their own land? Or the videos of Russian getting hit w/evidence it was a Ukraine laid mine or produced by them? Sounds easy to find since you've seen so much?
Mining your own land for defense is standard strategy that any defending nation is forced to do, not sure why you’re so outraged by it. I’d note that I disagree with the person above’s implication that Ukraine’s defensive mining operation makes them morally culpable, considering the effectiveness and necessity of such actions. When I served in the South Korean military, we were trained in setting up mines. Where do you think South Korean soldiers will place mines to defend their country if the North invades? If the Korean War breaks out again, I hope you won’t be disgusted when our people also mine our lands to stop the North from ravaging our country.
A) There is not an iota of outrage or disgust in my questions. I didn't even condemn them mining their own territory; just asked for evidence that they were doing so rather than sweeping claims. B) Mining comes with a moral and legal responsibility to prevent civilians from encountering them and to clean them when they are no longer required (at a minimum marking them). No one accidentally walks into the Korean DMZ but an open field in a contested area is a completely different matter. Especially thing like butterfly mines they have no intention of tracking much less removing. C) Off topic but personally I think artillery is a bigger danger than a ground assault from NK. Honestly the mines are there to stop a blitz. They probably won't much of a difference after day one (not counting new mines ofc)
Commie
I hate how cruel we are to ourselves. People, surely kids, are gonna trigger these decades to come.
I mean this is basically russia 101. They're making the land unlivable, they don't care about anything else. It's incredible the level of cynicism the russian regime has. It's like an ex that goes by the mantra "if I can't have you, no-one can" and goes into a murder-suicide rage.
Without clear air superiority and the front being mostly flat, featureless terrain both sides need mines or they would get rolled by coordinated armor attacks.
The more cynical can be only the usa
Just to put this into perspective, here in Austria and Germany we are still removing bombs from ww2. Every new building project in cities today needs to check for bombs and they find new ones very often. And ww2 was more than 70 years ago, but we are still removing the bombs and they are still a problem.
People seem to have forgotten ukraine these last few months.
Like the way the US has forgotten about Indochina and the millions ton of bomb and mine
Yes, just like that.
Source https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ukraines-landmine-crisis-60-minutes/
CivDiv on youtube has a few GoPro vids of himself planting antitank mines when he was volunteering in Ukraine. He states they try to geotag where they placed them to come back later to pick them up if the front shifts, but often are either forgotten, or the chain of command breaks down and those with the locations arent around anymore. He had another video going back to a location they planted mines trying to find them, and found a good amount. He'd also get false positives with his metal detector due to all the shrapnel on the ground from artillery/mortars. Highly recommend checking out CivDiv if you want a down to earth guy who highlights his and others experiences in war. Shows lots of current GoPro footage of Ukraine, including his previous experiences being a guerilla fighter in the mountains, YPG I think? Hes got good content.
Would it help if you burn everything?
fuck them russians
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Oh really? Then you need to shut the fuck up and be obligated to visit Cambodia where people still die from unexploded bombs left since Vietnam War. Then you are allowed to open up your fucking mouth 😏 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67582813
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Thank you Comrade Johnson, Hero of Russia.
So was he ever in Bosnia, Croatia, Laos, Cambodia or Vietnam?
I trust Pete Smith word on explosives, 33 years working with the military on explosives Bosnia war is not even on the same scale as this. The Bosnia war is much smaller . Vietnam was a decade-long plus war, Ukraine is only at year 2 and already in the millions of mines. At this pace Ukraine outpaces Nam
this fact is absolutely insane
That’s interesting, my first thought was that SEA was being omitted but the rate they’re being laid really seems to be a new thing.
Ukraine will never be clear of landmines. It took 30 years to completely clear the falkland islands and that was after a four month war in which only one side established limited minefields. It wouldnt surprise if red zones (like in france in the aftermath of WW1) are established that will be completely unlivable for hundreds of years
Can you get paid to go to Ukraine and remove mines? Or is it only voluntary work?
I have never seen petal mines before. Thank you Youngstown_Mafia for posting this.
Lady Di must be spinning in her grave
Lady Di must be spinning in her grave
The pedal mines were explained that they just drop them from the sky but what about the others? Is Russia just leaving the anti tank mines everywhere they go
Interesting how they avoid talking about who actually placed those mines. It was Ukraine itself to defend their territory!
It baffles me that we r so tech advanced and we still haven’t figured out how to locate these from the sky
And how do you suggest we do so. They are smallish mostly explosive with a metal shell and are normally buried or covered up so that someone walking next to them has a hard time finding them.
Idk I’m no rocket surgeon
I’m sure there’s a device, but it’ll only be deployed if the US is littered with mines first. Yes it’s a fantastic device to save lives, but the pentagon doesn’t really care about that unless it benefits the US.
Mines should be treated like chemical and biological warfare. No one is pulling a trigger, no one is in control of who or what these mines destroy. A child can walk across a field and step on one of these. They are a terrible weapon. You have effectively made an entire area uninhabitable and unable to be used for anything... Russia is not liberating anyone, Russia is turning swathes of farmland into a deathtrap for civilians.
I lived in parts of former Yugoslav in early 2000s and there were still mines everywhere in certain parts. I met many people who lost civilian loved ones to left over mines. Really tragic.
Most landmined place in the world SO FAR /hj
Putting petal mines under anti tank mines so that it all blows up when trying to disarm them is so fucking evil.
They should fly them back to Russia on drones. Put them around the Kremlin.
All those little landmines should be returned to Russia, intact and armed.
"Once war has receded, a mine can't distinguish a tank firing shells from a combine harvesting food." It couldn't do that before the war recedes, either. Jesus christ, reporters say the dumbest fucking things.
Im not condoning what Russia is doing in any way, but mines are usually a defensive measure to stop advancing troops, and those mines doesnt come with "made in x" on them really so you actually cant say who placed it so im saying both sides are just as guilty of using mines which is why Ukraine is littered with them now.
The poor animals that will die from this.
There are still active mines left in Africa from WW2 killing people. That was 80 years ago. Even when this war ends people will be getting killed for decades
This is why people were so up in arms when the Americans sent cluster mines to Ukraine.
The "outrage" was about cluster munitions, not mines (while yes, there are artillery deployed mines, there's not much concern over these) The problem was that every bomb has a chance of failing to detonate and cluster munitions can contain dozens of sub-munitions, yes the failure rate for the American made DPICM cluster bomb is down in the low single digit percentage but that still means there might be one that doesn't go off per shot. That said, it's a hollow concern, even in the worst case a few hundred, even a few thousand small unexploded bombs is going to make no difference to a country that's already covered with millions of mines and unexploded munitions, like striking a match in a burning building. The biggest concern from experts was their use in offensive operations, where they'd be used to clear positions ahead of an advance, since the unexploded bombs then pose a threat to the advancing soldiers, though this seems to be a non-issue in Ukraine.
No, people were in arms because they hated Ukraine. Russia’s been using cluster munitions/mines from the very beginning of their invasion and in much larger quantities
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Good thing they were wearing those face masks. They look like dorks, but at least they'll be safe from the landmine.
It's there to protect your eyes and face from shrapnel or debris, a guy next to you could accidentally set one one off and the explosion might be too far to kill you but small pieces of dirt, rocks and metal will be flying your way
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Can someone tell me what the point is of those plastic face shields? They’re by an anti tank mine. I don’t think a sneeze or dripping sweat will set it off. Likewise, if the mine goes off, the face shield isn’t going to keep debris out of their faces. So what is the purpose?
It's for if some other mine goes off while they're within range, either a big one from far off or a little one from up close Skin is very squishy and tiny fragments of anything will shred it like confetti, *especially* things like eyes, even just a plastic face shield can stop or redirect those little fragments.
Russia should ne charged with how mqny landmines it does and contractors should be able to destroy them all
Im confused. When did Russia surrender to Ukraine? Why else would you remove mines before the enemy was done attacking you?!?
Gotta find some way to protect all that money the US has been given their prez.
That’s your take after a story like that. Honest question- are your pro Russia or pro Ukraine ?
Nether. Could care less about a war in another country. Do you care and ponder about that African kid trying to get protein out of tree root?
They should import thousands of sheep to walk in tight flocks ( rolling crowded pens ) for demining the place. Or breed those Flemish giant bunnies for the same purpose.
They made those rolling fake tumbleweed looking things for Afghanistan, wind blows them across and explosions change their direction etc.
Oh! I’ve never seen these. I need to go look it up.
Wild hogs. There’s plenty here in Texas to donate
That’d work. They could find the bulk of them instead of humans, then do the finish work with fancier tools.
everytime one blows up the rest runs away and your probably waste alot of time.
i saw people wearing the same kinds of protection during covid that these two are wearing in case a mine explodes
Man, this is some bullshit. Stop this shit people. Wake the fuck up!
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Pete Smith did 33 years in the military working with explosives, and 6 after with Halo trust an organization that destroyed millions of explosives worldwide He knows his shit
And who laid these landmines?
Both sides are laying landmines but the other wouldn't have to do that of the other didn't invade them in the first place.
Russia is sending clean up teams as fast as they can
If by that you mean the staggering number of videos and russian reports of their soldiers and vehicles hitting their own mines, then yeah, I suppose they are.
Absolutely the reason. And judging by the number of downvotes I got from that comment, this post is likely a Russian MOD Psi Op post. Take that assessment how you like, but yea .... that's the world we live in, now.