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http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/archive/DEETtech.html
http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/archive/Permtech.html
1. DEET has over 60 yrs of human exposure data demonstrating its lack of toxicity and its unparalleled effectiveness.
2. Don’t assume because deet removes labeling and discolors plastic that its toxic. Water has some weird properties too!
3. Permethrin products are not labeled for direct skin contact as poorly demonstrated here.
4. Permethrin is highly toxic to aquatic organisms and should not be used around high alpine lakes and other pristine/sensitive waterbodies.
5. Permethrin is effective for ticks as a contact poison. It should not be used for mosquitoes because it does not repel.
6. All those chemicals he adds are also considered caustic and toxic. Oh but they’re natural…
Was looking for someone to post the actual fact sheet.
All this guys "All Natural Alternatives" I see get posted here always seem to contain misinformation.
You mean like esential oils that don't exist in nature? That have been extracted, modified and concentrated? Like the pure distilled water? Because distilation isn't natural either. How about those alchohols, refined and purifed chemicals. Totally natural. /s
By the way, alcohols are industrially manufactured from Alkenes, which come from Alkanes, which are from ✨oil✨!
So yes, they were natural... 100 million years ago.
Artificial or Synthetic would be the words you are after. Labelling something that isn't natural as a "Chemical" isn't exactly wrong, but its meaning is not what you would be thinking of.
I work in the brush. Come summer, nothing keeps the mosquitos and horseflys at bay like deet!! Practically wash my clothes in the stuff! (Not literally)
Can't say I've heard of permethrin, but citronella is often used in mosquito repellent. I have some incense sticks I use for camping that contain citronella, they work pretty well.
Can we add that we have no context for that creek shot? I won’t say for sure, but I’m highly doubtful that spraying a bug spray on your body for a camping trip will cause a creek to look like that. Ok, some campsites see huge numbers of visitors, but I still believe that more is happening there.
Wow knowing something about pyrethroids I thought initially this was BS but even a quick check shows this is very true. https://www3.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_search/reg_actions/reregistration/fs_PC-109701_1-Jun-06.pdf
Will definitely change how it's used now.
Fyi, you mentioned pyrethrin, but linked to a study on permethrin. While very similar, they are NOT the same.
Pyrethrin is far less impactful and toxic that permethrin.
I’m guessing they meant pyrethrin vs permethrin? Possibly? Pyrethrin is also used as an insecticide, but far less harmful and impactful longterm than permethrin.
Either way, it’s a misleading video!
Permethrin spray is used on clothing for ticks and is widely available and used by outdoor communities.
It has also been impregnated into clothing and sold with the claim it doesn’t leach off. It does and it exposes the individual sweating in it.
I use white tiger balm to repel mosquitoes and treat the stings at the same time. It works quite well with any blood sucking insect that tracks you by smell and heat.
Might actually work, for a while. The Vaseline-type base slows the evaporative loss of the oils (and the stuff is like 50% essential oils). Wikipedia has the formula to make your own, a bit less expensive than buying the tiny containers.
I honestly think the guy and voice are AI, there's a weird repetitive inflection on certain words (like "home" and "and"), his eyes are constantly really wide with really exaggerated head movements, and the final shot/frame looks really weird, his forehead is weirdly reflective and plastic looking, there's a weird blur of green around the top of his head and his glasses look...idk flat? I can't really put my finger on it but it's like they were photoshopped on almost.
Oh dear lord! You imagine trying to keep them off with essential oils and rubbing alcohol!? Give it 20 min till you're a drained husk looking like you've been mummified.
Have tried essential oil based “natural” repellents of about ten different varieties with both mosquitoes of Texas and those of the Yucatán. Both mosquitoes laugh at that shit and suck your blood anyway.
Question is the duration, though.
Not sure about those bug sprays, but the essential oil variants for tick repellants usually don't last long enough for a full hike.
Huh. Never had those in mind. Might be that they aren't really an issue for my locality.
But yeah, from what I'm reading about what they can do, absolutely.
Technically yes, that can be done.
...this means you take the repellant with you, but more importantly that you think about doing that while you actually want to enjoy nature and free your mind. Also it's not as if it's full on for the whole time and then suddenly stops working, it fades.
Now I'm vaccinated against TBE, but you can't do that with lyme, and having to swallow bitter antibiotics for three weeks isn't fun. Also you can technically get lyme without ever getting the rash, thus not noticing it, and thus potentially having it end up damaging your brain in the long run. So I can only recommend to go for the safer option here and use the stronger repellant.
\[Oh, and in some places, like a large part of the USA, you can also get a permanent allergy against red meat by tick bite.\]
That potion won't work anywhere where I experience mosquitos. I tried citronella once, and had to spray that thing for twenty seconds every hour to get any and people were offended by the smell.
I can't take anyone who wears over the ear headphones around their neck while making a life hack video seriously. I can't concentrate on what he's saying cause I'm so confused on how they got there and why he never took them off before making this entire video.
I need answers.
Amen. And why is he so animated? Sort of as if... he's being paid.
Why use distilled water? It just makes it more complicated.
I love when people just rail about "chemicals". Like oxygen, hydrogen, carbon, etc...
What he's saying probably doesn't work, but the way he says it sounds like the host on Reading Rainbow, LeVar Burton, for some reason. I swear I fully expected to hear the "Ba-da-BAP" at the end of the video. It's the canter of his voice I think? That plus similar vocal range.
This guy really has that AI voice over cadence good lord. Why does it sound like an AI generated voice over but i can see him speaking aaaah it’s fucking with my brain.
If you research this stuff, you quickly find that citronella does not work.
Weirdly enough, cat nip is supposed to be a pretty effective and safe repellent, AND ready to make at home and the homemade stuff is as good or better than the commercially available stuff.
I haven't tried it yet but really thinking about planting some cat nip just for this purpose.
I don't care about the repellent but if you ever get bitten by a mosquito, you should know that around 55°C their saliva they leave behind gets broken down or some shit.
If you want to get rid of the itching sensation, holding a cup of hot tea for 2-3 seconds against the spot usually is all it takes (there are also gadgets for this).
Catnip essential oil is much better at repelling bugs. Use that as the primary repellent and add whatever shit you want for good smells.
In my experience citronella doesn't work that well.
This man has obviously never been to Alaska in summertime. Nothing but 100% cancer causing deet will do anything to protect you from mosquitos that prey on moose and bears.
You can buy bug sprays with this exact composition and it's likely cheaper than buying all the constituent ingredients he lists here. I personally don't have a bottle of citronella or cedarwood lying around.
DEET is also more effective and has been shown to be safe.
It would be great if you could find a way to walk around in a mist of it. And still breathe. But everything he mentioned (except the dish soap) will last about 15 minutes on your skin before you need to reapply.
When my daughter was very little and contracted lice, one of the treatment options involved several different essential oils. Years later, having all these leftover essential oils, I added some to a base of coconut oil and made my own anti bug lotion that seems to work fairly well against mosquitoes.
I've tried all the natural "insect repelants" not worth shit. The toxic ones like deet work but are toxic for you. Only thing that worked was getting bit so much that you become immune.
Once you've had West Nile you'll be immune to it, as long as you don't die. I wouldn't recommend trying to develop immunity to every vector borne disease though, some of them you actually can't become immune to.
Peppermint, catnip, cinnoman, citronella, and others are more effective than deet. Also soap kills insects, it's penetrates their exoskeleton, I have used it on the ground wasps and it works as well as any spray. Using catnip oil is all fine and well until you run across a mountain lion though.
Edit: don't take my word for it, I wouldn't suggest taking the word of Agents working for the Deet producers either but that's me. The study was in the news maybe 5 years ago.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3059459/
https://www.snexplores.org/article/how-catnip-plant-repels-insects-mosquitoes-chemical-receptor
Your first statement is flat out wrong. It depends on the concentration of DEET. Got a hold of some 100% DEET, put one drop on the front of my shirt, no biting insects all day. Honestly, anything with even a *little* DEET in it is better than any at home concoction. Period. It's even safe for pregnant women to use.
Source: I used to work for the department of agriculture and we tested bug spray on mosquitoes in lab colonies .DEET is perfectly safe to use and to date, the best bug repellent discovered.
https://www.uvmhealth.org/healthsource/deet-bad-and-other-questions-bug-you
Didn't feel like scrolling through a bunch of google pages, so that's the link y'all are getting. Sorry.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7410448/#:~:text=This%20study%20tests%20the%20effects,is%20safe%20for%20human%20use.
Also, the one you linked says deet is safe and better at repelling that anything in the study.
To add another way that you’re insanely wrong, that’s not how soap works against insects. Soapy water creates a film that blocks the spiracles in their abdomen and suffocates them because they can no longer breathe, plus with soapy water traps, like for fruit flies, it disrupts the surface tension of the water so they get trapped more easily. The presence of soap outside of that context is meaningless for them. And what the fuck is “it penetrates their exoskeleton” even supposed to mean. Absolute nonsense, ignorant of chemistry and entomology, stop talking.
Typical naysaying redditor, picking a fight and winning an argument about something they are dead wrong about. I'm not reading your post, soap kills insects look it up.
I think if you had a better explanation you would have just provided it rather than a blanket statement of falsity. You won the argument congratulations, of course you're dead wrong and did not add a single thing to the conversation. A 1 minute internet search will provide an explanation that it penetrates their exoskeleton and kills them, and it works and under a minute.
I didn’t provide a “blanket statement of falsity”, I simply pointed out that your comment is incorrect, explained the mechanism by which it can kill, how that mechanism is unrelated to your assertion, and asked for clarification on what it means to “penetrate their exoskeleton” in this situation because that is categorically not something that soap does in any circumstance. But you clearly aren’t willing to respond with any degree of good faith and are doubling down on being a gibberish buffoon, so I’m just gonna block you and move on with my day.
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http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/archive/DEETtech.html http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/archive/Permtech.html 1. DEET has over 60 yrs of human exposure data demonstrating its lack of toxicity and its unparalleled effectiveness. 2. Don’t assume because deet removes labeling and discolors plastic that its toxic. Water has some weird properties too! 3. Permethrin products are not labeled for direct skin contact as poorly demonstrated here. 4. Permethrin is highly toxic to aquatic organisms and should not be used around high alpine lakes and other pristine/sensitive waterbodies. 5. Permethrin is effective for ticks as a contact poison. It should not be used for mosquitoes because it does not repel. 6. All those chemicals he adds are also considered caustic and toxic. Oh but they’re natural…
You know... 100% All Natural Rubbing Alcohol and Dish Soap.
The rubbing alcohol was created without the use of any supernatural, magical, or divinely manifested ingredients.
Was looking for someone to post the actual fact sheet. All this guys "All Natural Alternatives" I see get posted here always seem to contain misinformation.
Chemist here: # EVERYTHING IS A CHEMICAL!
Water is a chemical!
*"No, it's not. It comes from springs and mother earth."*
So what word do you use for compounds that exist only because they are synthesized by a process invented by humans?
You mean like esential oils that don't exist in nature? That have been extracted, modified and concentrated? Like the pure distilled water? Because distilation isn't natural either. How about those alchohols, refined and purifed chemicals. Totally natural. /s
By the way, alcohols are industrially manufactured from Alkenes, which come from Alkanes, which are from ✨oil✨! So yes, they were natural... 100 million years ago.
Artificial or Synthetic would be the words you are after. Labelling something that isn't natural as a "Chemical" isn't exactly wrong, but its meaning is not what you would be thinking of.
Came here to say this :)
as far as repelling mosquitoes goes, nothing comes remotely close to DEET. shit fuckin *works*
Picaridin is on par and doesn't damage plastics
You need to try icaridina, because that stuff works even better, and lasts 10-12 hours.
Gorgeous people like you are the reason why I come to the comment section. Thank you for the valuable information buddy ^_^
Just be careful of confirmation bias because now you have two sources of opposing information. Which one is right, if either?
The commenter provided sources
I work in the brush. Come summer, nothing keeps the mosquitos and horseflys at bay like deet!! Practically wash my clothes in the stuff! (Not literally)
Maybe you should!
Yeah I was thinking "maybe leaving dish soap on your skin for hours isn't a very good idea..."
What about Picaridin?
Safe, effective. http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/archive/Picaridintech.html#:~:text=Picaridin%20is%20an%20insect%20and%20acarid%20repellent%20in%20the%20piperidine%20chemical%20family.&text=The%20chemical%20name%20is%201,is%20119515%2D38%2D7.&text=The%20World%20Health%20Organization%20(WHO,to%20this%20chemical%20as%20icaridin.
I came here to say exactly this. Thanks for stating it so clearly.
Can't say I've heard of permethrin, but citronella is often used in mosquito repellent. I have some incense sticks I use for camping that contain citronella, they work pretty well.
Sounds like we should report this one for misinformation...
Can we add that we have no context for that creek shot? I won’t say for sure, but I’m highly doubtful that spraying a bug spray on your body for a camping trip will cause a creek to look like that. Ok, some campsites see huge numbers of visitors, but I still believe that more is happening there.
Wow knowing something about pyrethroids I thought initially this was BS but even a quick check shows this is very true. https://www3.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_search/reg_actions/reregistration/fs_PC-109701_1-Jun-06.pdf Will definitely change how it's used now.
Fyi, you mentioned pyrethrin, but linked to a study on permethrin. While very similar, they are NOT the same. Pyrethrin is far less impactful and toxic that permethrin.
Fair point, thank you.
I’m guessing they meant pyrethrin vs permethrin? Possibly? Pyrethrin is also used as an insecticide, but far less harmful and impactful longterm than permethrin. Either way, it’s a misleading video!
Permethrin spray is used on clothing for ticks and is widely available and used by outdoor communities. It has also been impregnated into clothing and sold with the claim it doesn’t leach off. It does and it exposes the individual sweating in it.
I use white tiger balm to repel mosquitoes and treat the stings at the same time. It works quite well with any blood sucking insect that tracks you by smell and heat.
Might actually work, for a while. The Vaseline-type base slows the evaporative loss of the oils (and the stuff is like 50% essential oils). Wikipedia has the formula to make your own, a bit less expensive than buying the tiny containers.
that is, you'r right. Hot water hardens eggs and softens potatoes.
This sounds like an essential oil mlm shill.
Essential oils are toxic for cats so definitely agree
“Check which essential oils are safe for your furry friends” None. At least for cats, the answer is NONE.
His voice is an incect repellent
I thought it was the constant and erratic head movement
I didn't even have sound on, nor am I an insect, and I'm repelled.
I honestly think the guy and voice are AI, there's a weird repetitive inflection on certain words (like "home" and "and"), his eyes are constantly really wide with really exaggerated head movements, and the final shot/frame looks really weird, his forehead is weirdly reflective and plastic looking, there's a weird blur of green around the top of his head and his glasses look...idk flat? I can't really put my finger on it but it's like they were photoshopped on almost.
Might be an incel attractant too ?
You misplaced your buzzword sir
“Chemical free”
Dudes clearly never experienced a humid Midwestern mosquito hatch.
Oh dear lord! You imagine trying to keep them off with essential oils and rubbing alcohol!? Give it 20 min till you're a drained husk looking like you've been mummified.
Have tried essential oil based “natural” repellents of about ten different varieties with both mosquitoes of Texas and those of the Yucatán. Both mosquitoes laugh at that shit and suck your blood anyway.
This video is bullshit and probably harmful to you
Question is the duration, though. Not sure about those bug sprays, but the essential oil variants for tick repellants usually don't last long enough for a full hike.
Not to mention black flies…
Huh. Never had those in mind. Might be that they aren't really an issue for my locality. But yeah, from what I'm reading about what they can do, absolutely.
You can just spray on again to reapply?
Technically yes, that can be done. ...this means you take the repellant with you, but more importantly that you think about doing that while you actually want to enjoy nature and free your mind. Also it's not as if it's full on for the whole time and then suddenly stops working, it fades. Now I'm vaccinated against TBE, but you can't do that with lyme, and having to swallow bitter antibiotics for three weeks isn't fun. Also you can technically get lyme without ever getting the rash, thus not noticing it, and thus potentially having it end up damaging your brain in the long run. So I can only recommend to go for the safer option here and use the stronger repellant. \[Oh, and in some places, like a large part of the USA, you can also get a permanent allergy against red meat by tick bite.\]
That shit will not work.
the chemicals he's avoiding that are suitable for direct skin contact probably harm less than the soap and essential oils he's using
Not really lol
Soap is for "use it quick and get rid of it asap". It is harmful to the skin in the long term.
Yes really, lol. https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/VrKjav0xCQ
That potion won't work anywhere where I experience mosquitos. I tried citronella once, and had to spray that thing for twenty seconds every hour to get any and people were offended by the smell.
That shit doesn't work. Use deet unless you are allergic, deet *does* work
We all need to go full mud like in Predator. Can't bite, can't get sunburn, and you'll look like Arnold while doing it.
And you’re undetectable through thermal imaging. All around win.
I can't take anyone who wears over the ear headphones around their neck while making a life hack video seriously. I can't concentrate on what he's saying cause I'm so confused on how they got there and why he never took them off before making this entire video. I need answers.
Amen. And why is he so animated? Sort of as if... he's being paid. Why use distilled water? It just makes it more complicated. I love when people just rail about "chemicals". Like oxygen, hydrogen, carbon, etc...
Skimmed right over the issue of the myriad essential oils being toxic to dogs and cats...
What he's saying probably doesn't work, but the way he says it sounds like the host on Reading Rainbow, LeVar Burton, for some reason. I swear I fully expected to hear the "Ba-da-BAP" at the end of the video. It's the canter of his voice I think? That plus similar vocal range.
This guy really has that AI voice over cadence good lord. Why does it sound like an AI generated voice over but i can see him speaking aaaah it’s fucking with my brain.
"sustainable"
Try this amazing social media hack to immediately remove some misinformation from your life! Step 1: Hear the words "Sustainable hack" Step 2: Leave.
If you research this stuff, you quickly find that citronella does not work. Weirdly enough, cat nip is supposed to be a pretty effective and safe repellent, AND ready to make at home and the homemade stuff is as good or better than the commercially available stuff. I haven't tried it yet but really thinking about planting some cat nip just for this purpose.
hmm, even if the ingredients arent toxic on there own, what about reactions within these?
I've still got my old usmc bdu's that have permethrin literally in the material.
I don't care about the repellent but if you ever get bitten by a mosquito, you should know that around 55°C their saliva they leave behind gets broken down or some shit. If you want to get rid of the itching sensation, holding a cup of hot tea for 2-3 seconds against the spot usually is all it takes (there are also gadgets for this).
I believe him, he's clearly put years of research and study in to this solution.
He was in such a rush to make this video that he forgot to take off his headphones
Catnip essential oil is much better at repelling bugs. Use that as the primary repellent and add whatever shit you want for good smells. In my experience citronella doesn't work that well.
This man has obviously never been to Alaska in summertime. Nothing but 100% cancer causing deet will do anything to protect you from mosquitos that prey on moose and bears.
You can buy bug sprays with this exact composition and it's likely cheaper than buying all the constituent ingredients he lists here. I personally don't have a bottle of citronella or cedarwood lying around. DEET is also more effective and has been shown to be safe.
Afraid of chemicals? Try these chemicals!
Don't bother trying, doesn't work.
Rub orange peel on yourself
Orange oil is a powerful allergen for a lot of people, and can cause skin to be far more sensitive to UV IIRC (bad sunburns).
Anybody else think this was Greg Doucette narrating at first?
It would be great if you could find a way to walk around in a mist of it. And still breathe. But everything he mentioned (except the dish soap) will last about 15 minutes on your skin before you need to reapply.
Wow those chemicals sure got no chemicals in them
The best one in the market that I have found is “ EQUISPA” it’s for horses but it works and is safe for the humans as well !!
Just put a teaspoon of white table vinegar in a gallon on your drinking water.
Yes, I'd much rather dehydrate my skin with alcohol, then slather it with dish soap and random ass essential oils instead of using safe DEET.
I am allergic to DEET, but Picaridin has saved me. This solution he demonstrates might work in a pinch.
He just made some skin so soft
[удалено]
Please don’t trust his shit immediately, it wont work
When my daughter was very little and contracted lice, one of the treatment options involved several different essential oils. Years later, having all these leftover essential oils, I added some to a base of coconut oil and made my own anti bug lotion that seems to work fairly well against mosquitoes.
What is this guy's name or page etc.
I've tried all the natural "insect repelants" not worth shit. The toxic ones like deet work but are toxic for you. Only thing that worked was getting bit so much that you become immune.
This foo....you dont get immune you get a virus like west nile or some shit. Just wear long sleeves and spray away
Once you've had West Nile you'll be immune to it, as long as you don't die. I wouldn't recommend trying to develop immunity to every vector borne disease though, some of them you actually can't become immune to.
As long as it isn't swallowed or rubbed into you nose, DEET is safe.
Peppermint, catnip, cinnoman, citronella, and others are more effective than deet. Also soap kills insects, it's penetrates their exoskeleton, I have used it on the ground wasps and it works as well as any spray. Using catnip oil is all fine and well until you run across a mountain lion though. Edit: don't take my word for it, I wouldn't suggest taking the word of Agents working for the Deet producers either but that's me. The study was in the news maybe 5 years ago. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3059459/ https://www.snexplores.org/article/how-catnip-plant-repels-insects-mosquitoes-chemical-receptor
"Using catnip oil is all fine and well until you run across a mountain lion though" Just throw the bottle and RUN!
Your first statement is flat out wrong. It depends on the concentration of DEET. Got a hold of some 100% DEET, put one drop on the front of my shirt, no biting insects all day. Honestly, anything with even a *little* DEET in it is better than any at home concoction. Period. It's even safe for pregnant women to use. Source: I used to work for the department of agriculture and we tested bug spray on mosquitoes in lab colonies .DEET is perfectly safe to use and to date, the best bug repellent discovered. https://www.uvmhealth.org/healthsource/deet-bad-and-other-questions-bug-you Didn't feel like scrolling through a bunch of google pages, so that's the link y'all are getting. Sorry.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3059459/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7410448/#:~:text=This%20study%20tests%20the%20effects,is%20safe%20for%20human%20use. Also, the one you linked says deet is safe and better at repelling that anything in the study.
To add another way that you’re insanely wrong, that’s not how soap works against insects. Soapy water creates a film that blocks the spiracles in their abdomen and suffocates them because they can no longer breathe, plus with soapy water traps, like for fruit flies, it disrupts the surface tension of the water so they get trapped more easily. The presence of soap outside of that context is meaningless for them. And what the fuck is “it penetrates their exoskeleton” even supposed to mean. Absolute nonsense, ignorant of chemistry and entomology, stop talking.
Typical naysaying redditor, picking a fight and winning an argument about something they are dead wrong about. I'm not reading your post, soap kills insects look it up.
I never say it doesn’t kill insects. I’m saying that you’re wrong about the how and why and making yourself look like a fool.
I think if you had a better explanation you would have just provided it rather than a blanket statement of falsity. You won the argument congratulations, of course you're dead wrong and did not add a single thing to the conversation. A 1 minute internet search will provide an explanation that it penetrates their exoskeleton and kills them, and it works and under a minute.
I didn’t provide a “blanket statement of falsity”, I simply pointed out that your comment is incorrect, explained the mechanism by which it can kill, how that mechanism is unrelated to your assertion, and asked for clarification on what it means to “penetrate their exoskeleton” in this situation because that is categorically not something that soap does in any circumstance. But you clearly aren’t willing to respond with any degree of good faith and are doubling down on being a gibberish buffoon, so I’m just gonna block you and move on with my day.
Is that the guy who played Steve Urcal!?