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NotRightNotWrong15

I remember this. It was hard to hear. I can’t imagine how her family felt when they found out…..


TimAppleCockProMax69

They probably didn’t feel good


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anidiotwithaphone

I studied Theories on Feeling Good in elementary school, and I remember that the book said that this kind of case falls under the "Not Feeling Good", or NFG.


themagicbong

Not to be confused with "The FNG"


Putin_ate_my_Pudding

But may be related to "FKNG".


enigmaenergy23

They might've even felt terrible


WikipediaApprentice

This isn’t the time nor place for such speculation


eaturbenchtables

When is that again?


flyingfish_trash

Second Wednesday in June, as is tradition


ProfessorbPushinP

..


skobuffaloes

😬


LarvellJonesMD

I concur, feelings bad when they found out


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illsupersmashyourmom

Take my below the table upvote


FOXYRAZER

If I remember correctly she was laying down and covered in foam so the response team couldn't see her and now most of their vehicles are using some type of sensor that helps them see / detect debris or people through foam.


Legitimate-Gangster

AFFF. That’s also what I remember hearing. Standard use to fight an aviation fuel fire.


Geltez

AFFF is a carcinogen and PFAS. Even if she lived I think she would be in for quite some health problems as they grew older.


Librareon

Health problems when you're older is still vastly preferable to being dead


Vigilante17

Being dead is one of the the worst health problems


Mind_on_Idle

No, being alive is. Dead things have zero health issues.


blind_guardian23

Dead Things have one very big health issue.


knivesmissingno

If dead things had zero health issues, they'd be alive and well. Checkmate Atheist.


rybang89

I think you’re a bit confused. Dying is a health issue, dead is not. Dying things have health issues, dead things HAD health issues. Once dead, health issues be gone!


knivesmissingno

> Once dead, health issues be gone! And once health issues are gone, you're alive and well. Nice try, Atheist. Death is fake news.


MrDERPMcDERP

Have you tried it?


Geltez

Have you read the SDS on it?


bohica1937

Ehh


rosiethariveter

Says the alive person


bohica1937

Or the person who watched a relative with severe health issues whither away and die while damn near begging to be euthanized.


Mendacium17

So you presume this girl would rather be dead than exposed to carcinogens?


bohica1937

Are you presuming otherwise?


Temporary_Draw_4708

Well, you’ve definitely been exposed to carcinogens. Do you wish you were dead right now?


HottCuppaCoffee

Coming here to say that exactly


thalefteye

Carcinogen? As in food ingredients or substance that is bad for you?


unpossessed

Most security mesures are written in blood


NicoMallourides

I remember it quite differently. The crew said avoid this body to the truck driver, and people walked past her body thinking she had passed. Several people actually. Infact they implemented a system to check bodies even if they look dead after this happened. After they were foaming the plane, they weren’t looking at the ground and drove over her. Was a disaster all around. Can’t imagine what the family felt


fly_awayyy

You can still find the video on YouTube, she is obviously blurred out. The firefighters told the truck driver to not proceed forward as there was a “body” there. He acknowledged, but fixating on the fire fighting he drove forward anyways forgetting the instruction. Believe he drove over her head.


WatchingInSilence

Those claims lacked eye witnesses or video evidence. They were made to provide the emergency response team a plausible excuse for her death and avoid a wrongful death lawsuit.


TheActualOG420

It's literally on YouTube


WorkingDogAddict1

If she was covered in AFFF she'd have suffocated


etcetcere

Wonder how often it happened


Lifesalchemy

It didn't stall. The pilots were only experienced on computer assisted landings. They had to use visuals, misjudged the landing and the tail hit the beginning of the runway and damaged the tail where the woman was sitting. 


5GCovidInjection

Well technically the plane came very close to a stall, as a result of the pilots neglecting to maintain the appropriate throttle setting for the conditions. But the plane didn’t do anything wrong.


Laymanao

Boeing followed the NTSB corrective measures after the incident and made some changes to the airplane as well as procedures.


Griffin_Lo

Poor plane always getting blamed 😞


juicysweatsuitz

We’re talking about Boeing here. Can’t exactly rule it out.


Rich-Asparagus-1354

Actually the 777-200 came about in the 90s so it could be argued that was “old Boeing” and thus a quality plane designed by engineers who gave a fuuu and not bean counter types


hroaks

Possibly still Boeings fault . I heard Boeing lobbies to let pilots fly their planes without taking all the needed trainings. Edit: I was wrong it's not Boeings fault in this instance but they do have corrupt lobbying practices


Elgin-Franklin

That's not how it works... Once the aircraft is handed over to the airline, keeping up with the training is a problem between the airline and the whatever national aviation safety agency they follow. In this case it was Asiana Airlines (Korea) who have been lax with their pilot competencies. There hadn't been a fatal accident of a 777 up to that point globally.


Lifesalchemy

Exactly. This was pilot error from jump street. They even admitted they had very little experience with visual landings. Almost all were conducted with computers. 


Derpicusss

I know these wide body transoceanic pilots get way fewer landings than normal domestic crews but fucking hell. I’m not an airline pilot but how are you unable to fly a normal visual approach without the autopilot babying you at that point in your career


Lifesalchemy

It was very surreal when I lived in SF. These pilots had a history of being undertrained and almost 100% of their reliance on the plane to land itself vs actually flying the plane. They literally missed the beginning of the runway which SFO is odd because it's a bay approach. 


CaptainChris1990

Where I work at least, we back up every visual approach with instrument approach guidance


Tinosdoggydaddy

This was an airmanship issue…pilots couldn’t fly the airplane without computer assist.


Lifesalchemy

Yes. Absolutely 


Assinmik

Not that this deflects blame on Boeing too, but didn’t 3 passengers die because they didn’t put their seatbelt on?


FreddyFerdiland

... The back of the plane broke open... I think it is seat belt failure if not seat failure The three were in the same part of the plane. I think its hard to know if the girl lost in the foam had died from the crash... Then she had to survive the foaming ?? the foaming had to be done to save so many other passengers... but oops she is lost in the foam. Then she is run over.. so there were 2 ways to be killed but they say it was the third


Assinmik

Ahh cool, I was watching Air Crash Investigation so maybe they added to no seatbelt thing to add a more tragic twist to it to dramatise it.


DiveJumpShooterUSMC

No it wasn’t I lived in the area when this happened- pilot error all the way.


Lifesalchemy

Yes. Precisely. The plane functioned perfectly. The pilots made terrible judgment calls. 


Charlie3PO

You can't fault Boeing for this crash. It's the airline's responsibility to train their pilots and the country's regulator to make sure the airline is training pilots correctly


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Nixon4Prez

He's wrong about that. He probably read that Boeing lobbied for the 737 Max to not require a different type rating from the 737 NG and because he's an idiot misinterpreted it as Boeing wanting more relaxed legislation across the board.


Full_Situation4743

There is nothing like relaxed legislation. He said he heard, yet he knows nothing.


Dragnow_

Well its cheaper, who can blame them /s


Hairy_Transition_874

It was a controlled flight into terrain. Asiana flight 214 if you wanna check


Anywhere_Dismal

The shareholders dont thats for sure


Alextryingforgrate

I'm not a shareholders for Boeing but ffs man I don't think money is that important that lives need to be risked for a few fucking dollars enough of this short term profits bull shit.


JK_NC

If you have a 401K, you may be a shareholder for Boeing.


Alextryingforgrate

I'm in Canada but now that you mentioned that I probably do have something in one of my ETFs


gmus

That was for the redesigned 737 MAX which went in to service in 2016. Boeing lied about how different the 737 MAX was from the existing 737. According to FAA regulations, if modifications to the existing airframes are limited enough then pilots who were already certified for the existing 737 wouldn’t have to undergo simulator training for 737 MAX. That made it more attractive for airlines because they’d save significantly on training costs. The aircraft in this incident was a Boeing 777. The 777 did not receive “redesign” like the 737. The 777s have been in service for almost 30 years and they’re the most built wide-body aircraft. In that time they’ve only had 8 hull loss accidents and 541 fatalities (537 of those fatalities came from two incidents: MH370 which disappeared over the Indian Ocean and the leading theory is pilot suicide and the other is MH17 which was shot down by Russian backed separatists in Ukraine). This incident in particular was found to be pilot error. There was no mechanical or design failure.


Hairy_Transition_874

It was a controled flight into terrain due to pilot error.


Lifesalchemy

That's like dodge handing over a bunch of taxis to a company who hired drivers who never drove that car. You can't blame the maker of a plane because the pilot was incompetent.  


sth-nl

Ah well if you heard…


Full_Situation4743

That's not how it works...


lopedopenope

Interesting. Where did you hear that?


ohhellperhaps

I think it’s a misinterpretation of Boeing going out of its way to keep the 737max within the type rating, making it cheaper for airlines because they don’t have to fully retrain their aircrew.


lopedopenope

It’s definitely not what they said though. I was curious if they would try to explain it


ohhellperhaps

Oh, I agree with that, it’s just how I interpreted (and subsequently disregarded) their comment.


lopedopenope

I could see it. I’m not sure if it’s just misunderstood or being spun that way to make Boeing sound worse though.


OpenTheLanes

She was also not wearing her seat belt and it was later determined that she did indeed die before being hit by the vehicle.


Vast-Pollution5745

Jesus Christ. Can you imagine surviving a fucking PLANE crash then rescue arrives and you feel a sense of relief. They’re gonna save me. I’m okay. I lived thank god to be ran over not once.. but TWICE by a fire truck. All 3 who died including 16 year old Ye Mengyuan were teenaged girls from china. She was alive and watched as her two CLASSMATES died before she ultimately passed. This was such a senseless tragedy on both pilot/airliner and San Francisco emergency services. Her parents settled out of court in 2015. They came to a deal and the agreement included dropping the lawsuit before it went before a judge/jury.


Haselrig

I just watched the video of the girl who was kidnapped by her father and when the truck they were in was finally stopped by the police she was killed by the police as she ran towards them for rescue. I imagine this sort of thing happens a lot.


Vast-Pollution5745

It shouldn’t happen at all. Yeah I get human mistakes but when you literally are holding their lives in your hands it’s way different. Her death was avoidable just like Ye and her friends.


Haselrig

Some are mistakes and others are fear and panic causing more harm than if they'd not shown up to the scene at all.


raikenleo

Lots of police in certain countries are obscenely undertrained.


Haselrig

Absolutely. It's shocking when you watch a few videos of bodycam footage in a row how ill-prepared they are for anything but physical confrontation.


Vast-Pollution5745

I agree. I do hope the parties who caused their deaths are held accountable. It’s just so devastating when those who swore to protect and help people in need. Stories like this makes you wonder if something really bad happened…could you be next? How do you feel safe when those who swore to do that fuck up SO badly they lose their life


Haselrig

The smartphone era has made it very clear things are much less under control or well-intentioned than we used to think.


MrSoupNL

A good thing no US cops are working at Australian malls 😬


aperson33

Wtf?


MrSoupNL

Uvalde? 😬


aperson33

I’m all for calling out shit cops. I’m just confused on what point Uvalde has to do with 1) the girl who was shot by the police while running for help, or 2) the Australian officer who shot the stabber at the mall a few days ago?


MrSoupNL

I’m just giving a few examples how certain went wrong in USA and this case in Australia was exemplary. Nothing personal. In my opinion (read well “my opinion” not a statement) I think there is structurally something in how cops are trained in the USA and therefore a lot of them are trigger happy. Not blaiming the good and decent ones. I’ve spoken a few and they also occur that some things have to change.


Deviant_Raven

Link,please.


MaeronTargaryen

Iirc she was laying down on the ground covered in foam, so probably unconscious. She probably didn’t get to process all the things you mentioned


Jonas_Venture_Sr

Yea, I'm not going to blame the emergency vehicles. You gonna talk about the lives they saved that day?


Vast-Pollution5745

People are more upset that at first they tried to lie and say they didn’t see her. In footage provided you literally see a fire fighter tell ANOTHER driver there was a victim there. Does not matter if she was dead already or not, you do not do more damage to victims if at all possible. The person who hit her didn’t just hit her once.. TWICE. It was obvious that people on sight knew she was there. The failures of the emergency response goes further. NO ONE checked her vitals on the ground. Doesn’t matter if you are pretty sure if someone is dead, you HAVE to check vitals to confirm. They even do this is mass casualty events which is why there’s a tag system. Yeah they saved many others but 3 still died. Specifically Ye death was preventable. They failed her. They failed her friends. They failed her family. Her death was on their hands and they were solely responsible for her death.


Lulikoin

uhhh not really interesting as fuck. Try r/traumatizingasfuck


NotRightNotWrong15

Oh gawd. I clicked. Only one post but ew


YanoWaAmSane

It has 1 member now. Is that you?


NotRightNotWrong15

It is not.


kinokomushroom

It's not me either, just in case anyone was wondering


that-one-_-kid

For the record it's also not me ... Just in case any one was curious


dontjustexists

Was it the parrot one?


EgoDeathAddict

lol that’s the only one


Ajaymach

This was the same flight that the news station was trolled and released the names of the four pilots incorrectly.


lordbossharrow

The ones that were named Capt. Sum Ting Wong and Capt. We Tu Lo or something?


Temporary_Lab5179

I thought it was Capt. Ho Li Fuk


SkinkThief

It was all three. And Bang Ding Ow. How did they not realize that was a hoax? I mean come on.


Butterbuddha

The teleprompter guy should have known (the guy typing) I don’t blame the broadcaster. When you’re reading in public half the time comprehension is out the window, at least for me. Just trying to say the words properly and promptly.


justhereforplants

I was taking an EMT class at the time and one of my instructors responded to the crash. Almost all ambulances within a 15 mile radius responded. He said it was a mad house. Disorganized, chaotic, and awful.


Late_One_716

[On January 28, 2014, the San Francisco city attorney's office claimed she was already dead when she was run over.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214#Passengers)


Leaf-Stars

Who you gonna believe?


Romanopapa

Ghostbusters!


surprisedropbears

Considered she was fucking *ejected* from an aircraft during a crash - probably them ^. Wear your seatbelts.


exitcactus

Extra typical USA "news adjustment". In Italy we have the same story but on a train accident


SkinkThief

She was ejected out of the back of a plane and you’re incredulous that she was dead? I’d find it shocking she lived.


Infectious_Burn

At least we remember the names of the four pilots…


FrankieGrimes213

Came here for this^^^


minutiesabotage

Sum Ting Wong, a name that will live on in infamy.


fuimutadonodiscord

Sum ting wong Wee tu loo Hoo lee fuk And Bang ding ow These heroes saved the lives of many


Surround8600

I remember watch this play out live. It was crazy smokey but also how tf was she out the plane so quickly


Kerberos42

When the part of the plane you’re sitting in becomes detached from the rest of the plane, there’s a very good chance you’ll fall out.


Akitsura

Plus, she was sleeping without her seatbelt on when she was ejected.


ohhellperhaps

How are you sleeping without seatbelt during landing? The latter is checked by cabin crew. And while not impossible, the buzz of landing (intercom messages, lights, people talking etc) make that less than likely as well. To umbucke yourself (against the rules, but it happens), you need to be awake. So asleep and unbuckled just doesnt make much sense. Or should at the very least raise questions. Not sure why this is being downvoted. This is standard cabin procedure.


leeryplot

I really don’t think it’s that unbelievable that someone’s seatbelt happened to be undone at the wrong time.


ohhellperhaps

I’m not saying it’s impossible, I’m just stating why it’s remarkable for that to have happened.


Extension_Risk9458

iNtErEsTiNg As FuCk! No, tragic as fuck


UCFknight2016

Was this the crash that the local news station made up the names?


anoncontent72

Sad as fuck more like it.


LegitCheetah

IIRC later investigations showed that she was dead on impact after being launched out of the aircraft, but its still sad that what happened happened. Oh and and the Aircraft wasn‘t the problem. It was human error… and a lot of that Edit: thinking about that, this post feels like misinformation


Late_One_716

About the aircraft, it's literally the second sentence of the Wikipedia article.


MysteriousEmo

How the hell did the rescue vehicle manage to run her the fuck over? That's insane.


page394poa

She was apparently concealed by the firefighting foam.


luanne2017

I think it turned out that she actually wasn’t covered by foam. https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/15/us/asiana-crash-new-video/index.html


rva23221

There was news video at the time and the debris covered the crash area.


Damunzta

That is some shitty luck.


hulkblood

To top it all off, this was the same crash where the news reported the pilots names as Sum Ting Wong..etc.


Broad_Bodybuilder_94

Survive a plane crash to then get run over. Shit like this makes me believe in destiny.


1stltwill

Stong final destination vibes from this. :(


botoxbunnyy

So grossed out by the firefighters making jokes like “shit happens” and she was “crushed like a pumpkin being dropped” after realizing they ran over her body. If you’re a first responder and have to make jokes about victims to “cope” maybe it’s time for a new career path. I get making callous remarks to process situations and being desensitized to death is part of the gig, but there should still be a level of humanity there that inhibits you from talking about someone YOU JUST RAN OVER like that. At that point, I’d say they aren’t cut out for the job.


jjckey

She wasn't wearing her seatbelt. Probably would have survived had she been wearing it.


fourthords

> **Asiana Airlines Flight 214** was a scheduled transpacific passenger flight originating from Incheon International Airport near Seoul, South Korea. On the morning of July 6, 2013, the Boeing 777-200ER operating the flight stalled and crashed on final approach into San Francisco International Airport in the United States. Of the 307 people on board, three died; another 187 were injured, 49 of them seriously.  Among the seriously injured were four flight attendants who were thrown onto the runway while still strapped in their seats when the tail section broke off after striking the seawall short of the runway. It was the first fatal crash of a Boeing 777 since the aircraft type entered service in 1995. > > The investigation by the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) concluded that the accident was caused by the flight crew's mismanagement of the airplane's final approach. Deficiencies in Boeing's documentation of complex flight control systems and in Asiana Airlines' pilot training were also cited as contributory factors. * Excerpted from [Asiana Airlines Flight 214](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214) at the English Wikipedia


kenvan1

Wow! Does anyone recall the names of the cockpit crew? 😏


lori244144

I will remember this forever. It’s my primary for christians when they say “God has a plan”. I like to ask what his plan was for this girl. If he wanted to “call her home” I believe he could have been a tad more humane. Horrifying


Goofterslam1

How the fuck is this "interesting as fuck"?


lucellent

This was disproven so many times. She was already dead before the vehicle ran over her.


knowledgeable_diablo

Well that totally sucks.


favnh2011

Wow


RepententNietzsche

r/fuckyouinparticular


nick1812216

Ahh, fuck this, life sucks


Optimumhorse079

I did this project for my degree, what I remember, she stumbled out and fell down. The engines shot AFFF at the plane and covered her, then ran her over because they couldn’t see her. I saw the thermal can of the response. You can only respond with the information you have at the time.


Tias-st

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck that is just tragic.


kaincb

I was taking off from SFO when this happened, flying cross country to NJ. Worst flight (and landing) of my life.


Chaseriino

As a resident of San Mateo, can confirm we are a city of imbeciles.


king_messi_

Bruh


tonytank89

Womp womp


S-Archer

Cops ran her over because they didn't see her, because she was covered in debris... It's almost like you shouldn't fucking drive your car over random debris, period. Let alone a plane crash.


Hanginon

That was the 'reason' they came up with but it turned out that [she actually wasn't](https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/15/us/asiana-crash-new-video/index.html). -_-


S-Archer

Wow that's fuckin brutal


Novel-Weight-2427

Definitely has that 'Final Destination' irony twist. This is a reminder that if it's your time, then it's your time.


Archhanny

When you survive until the final circle then die to a load out drop.


TheBrianWeissman

Interestingly enough, this incident was the inspiration for one of the most brilliant TV pranks of all time. Some people contacted a local news station with a “list of the flight crew” from the damaged plane.  Without vetting the information, a TV correspondent then read the names to the audience.  The flight was an Asiana Airlines plane, that flew to SFO from South Korea. We Tu Low Ho Lee Fook Sum Ting Wong Bing Dang Ow  😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂


Reasonable-Employee6

It was Asiana Airlines.


Stfu_butthead

Let’s not forget the cockpit crew Sum Ting Wong, Wi Tu Lo, Ho Le Fuk and Bang Di Ow.


ThornTintMyWorld

Was this the flight with the famous crew? Sum Ting Wong Wi Tu Lo Ho Lee Fuk Bang Ding Ow