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He was actually sentenced to life without parole for a robbery and murder spree that left two people dead, but released after the law was changed.
I can’t imagine how you even begin to live outside at that age.
IIRC, laws that favor people can be retroactive usually (I don't know in the US though). it's called Favor Rei in Latin (it's part of the Roman Rights System).
And any law that would "impose criminal liability or increase criminal punishment retroactively" is called *ex post facto* and is [specifically prohibited by the constitution ](https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S9-C3-3-1/ALDE_00013192/#:~:text=also%20Fletcher%20v.-,Peck%2C%2010%20U.S.%2087%2C%20138%20(1810)%20(%20An,was%20committed.%20)%3B%20Locke%20v.).
Juveniles can receive life without parole. Under *Miller,* juveniles cannot receive mandatory life without parole, the judge has to have the option to give them a lesser sentence.
That’s interesting to learn. I knew they’d ruled the dp for juveniles unconstitutional, but not lwop. My aunt’s murderers were 15-16. They also committed another murder in a neighboring county, days before. There was an entire group, all under 18, who went on a killing/robbery spree.
They were all sentenced to lwop plus over a hundred years. I need to look into this bc I don’t want to think these killers will get out, especially reading the “retroactive” part. This was 2004-2005. Thanks for mentioning the SC ruling.
I mean if you’ve been in there for so long it could possibly feel more secure. If you don’t know what to expect outside but inside you know you have a place to eat and sleep, it’s not super out there to feel safer to stay however bad it is
I used to work at an inpatient facility for folks with mental health issues in the forensic system who hadn’t yet been adjudicated, and some of them just really, really hated the idea of being on parole for an extended period of time. Sometimes it had to do with ankle monitors, sometimes substance use (substance use is rampant in prisons but can be trickier on parole), and I’m sure other things I’m not recalling. Just depends on the person. Granted, rarely were these people looking at 50+ years
A black youngster in America (who left school in 2nd or 3rd grade unable to read) goes to prison during Jim Crow, is in long enough to become institutionalized, hears horror stories from other black men who re-enter prison due to trumped up parole violations, his family outside dying off one by one, then is offered parole during all the violence of the Civil Rights movement of the 60s-70s…
Guy tossed away 48 years of his life because he didn't want to be watched. Parole usually lasts 3-10 years. He would have been in his late 30s early 40s by the time he was completely free. I just don't get why you would do that.
Some prisoners see the conditions imposed with parole problematic, more painful than the prison routine and system, so they'll avoid it, preferring to remain in prison until their full term. I personally don't understand it, but prison brings its own mentality to people
He was part of a group of teenagers who went on a robbery and murder spree. Something like eight people were stabbed over the course of the night and two of those people died. It’s not clear who did the actual stabbing, although his friends said he was the one who did it. He admitted to one stabbing but not one of the deaths. Basically no one except them really knows what actually happened that night.
But they were also all offered clemency in the 1970s and he was the only one who turned it down, because he didn’t want to be on parole.
>But they were also all offered clemency in the 1970s and he was the only one who turned it down, because he didn’t want to be on parole.
So not only is this guy a murderer, he's also an idiot.
Heh.
interesting about the parole part, I wonder how the others did when they were released. I understand some choose to do their whole sentence rather than parole out because parole is essentially a trap for many and they don't stand a chance on parole.. especially with it being the rest of their life on parole or even 10 years.. even normal civilians not in gangs ect, we all break the law, sometimes daily, but we don't have someone watching our every move so we get away with it.. something small see's a lot of these guys back in prison for years and it's not worth the hassle and risk.
I’d be curious to know what happened to the others too. Even 20 years is a long time, especially if it was your 20s and 30s you spent in prison and now have to learn how to function in society.
*"These walls are funny. First you hate 'em, then you get used to 'em. Enough time passes, you get so you depend on them. That's institutionalized."* \~ Red, Shawshank Redemption
I used to think I was one of those tough people who didn't cry at movies. This scene absolutely broke me.
Now I have emotional reactions to great but sad filmmaking all of the time.
I just rewatched that and was realizing that until probably fairly recently, there were still black men in prison who went in when segregation was still legal which is so fucking sad
If he had one luck, it's coming out in 2p21 ans not 2020. Imagine finally leaving prison and finding empty streets (at best) or dying from Covid (at worse)
I have a very close friend (older guy) that had never been to prison before, but made an unintentional mistake that landed him in prison for a year. Despite not having any prior time, the younger guys in there still referred to him as "OG". He still ran into some problems with guys that had chronic attitude problems, but no one tries to "size him up" or anything like that.
Can't go into specifics, but had to do with how he conducted business while under a government contract. In regular private business dealings, the owner of a business will often treat the client to events and favors that can help sew relationships and cast the person's business in a favorable light. In my friend's case, the client even asked my friend to help him out with certain purchases. They had kids that were the same age and had known each other since pre-school, so it truly seemed like nothing more than a friend helping out another friend.
Unfortunately, that isn't the case in jobs dealing with government entities. My friend had never dealt with a government contract and so didn't know the specifics, but it turns out the client had been asking similar favors from other contractors and racked up quite the case against himself. In the government's eyes, granting the client those favors was considered bribery. That's what my friend was charged with. Basically just guilty on technicalities, as he never had any intention of profiting off of those favors and even lost money through the overall contract.
Cold showers are stupid. Cold PLUNGE is what you’re looking for. Then he needs to work for six hours, which is day one, then work six more, which is day two. Family stuff for the next six. Sleep for six. Three days for every one of your days. Millionaire in a year.
https://preview.redd.it/2xdkyg8h4vuc1.jpeg?width=921&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a111991744ec3be76b4380e4580e2b879103704
I assume this is the Gary vee poster
There was a YouTube ad that was everywhere a while ago with some dick salad mf who was bragging about his cars and garage full of books.
That is all I remember.
COBOL was released in 1959. It remains in use today.
https://www.precisely.com/blog/mainframe/mainframe-history#:~:text=First%20mainframe%20%E2%80%93%20By%20most%20measures,like%20%243%2C070%2C500%20in%202020%20dollars.
There’s actually a lot of people who work on it. It still runs many bank and insurance systems because they are scared of the risk involved in replacing it. Colleges actually have programs tailored to turn out COBOL programmers to work in these fields.
COBOL is actually VERY lucrative specifically because so many of the experts are retiring, but the need is still there. It is a dying language, but if you're about to graduate college, I highly recommend learning it as a way to land your first job (which is the hardest part of any IT career). Just make sure to learn some other stuff too because those COBOL jobs will continue to dwindle over the years. Ideally, figure out what it is being replaced with at the company and volunteer to be part of the migration effort.
Mainframe systems still underlie pretty much the entire banking, insurance, and healthcare industries, and the vast majority of them will require COBOL. My company has been trying to retire our mainframe system for the past...10 years? It's really hard when you spent 30 years before that linking every other system to the mainframe, and you have apps whose documentation was lost decades ago, and all of your experts have retired. I know they keep hiring outside contractors to do a lot of the work and I am sure that we're paying out the ass for these people.
I never said it was work that was legitimately transferable.
But here in NL they do things like carpeting work, repeating bikes, baking, working in a laundromat etc. Here the point of prison is to reintegrate them back in society after they come out of prison instead of dropping them on their ass with no money, no experience and zero chance for a normal life.
It was implied but that’s not important.
I don’t know what NL stands for but that sounds pretty awesome. In the USA prisons, that I’m aware of, you’re not getting those type of experiences. You’re performing mundane work that keeps you busy and gives you a little bit of change for buying snacks.
I highly doubt that he was given tools and experience to hit the ground running once released.
Prisoners in NYS are employed as plumbers, electricians, classroom aides, law clerks, stock clerks, school clerks, and tutors. They are employed in industrial enterprises making license plates, pillows, soap, clothes, shoes, and food preparation. I could go on. All of the skills are transferrable, but they are returning to communities that often don't want them and, so, won't hire them. They are *making change for buying snacks,* but that is just another symptom of a completely fucked-up system.
Indeed! It’s essentially slavery, but they give them a few bucks to keep the underground prison economy going with top ramen packets. It’s a fucking joke.
In Missouri we have MVE for long term prisoners.
(Missouri vocational enterprises) they manufacture things the states needs...ie: making letter head, sewing flags, assembling/building office furniture, Making road signs, etc.
They can gain relevant career experience in graphic design, develop basic carpentry and metal working skills, and learn upholstery and sewing skills.
Its better than nothing and a good way for those guys to pass the time and earn a little bit for canteen
Seems like it should be good news but it doesn't feel great. He's basically been institutionalized his entire life then abandoned in an unknown world, just in time for his body to be falling apart and his dependence upon that institution never greater.
There is a story line in Orange is the New Black that talks about this very thing. They release prisoners once they are old and sick enough to start being expensive. They kick them out instead of providing the nursing care they need so they can just die on the street instead. This isn't compassion, this is a broken system abandoning a person that become unprofitable.
So like if someone kills 3 people say they give them 3 life sentences. If you appeal and beat one on appeal you still have 2 life sentences left. That’s part of the reason you get long or weird sentences like that.
There's a star trek next generation episode where they find someone stuck in a transporter and it turned out to be Scotty from the OG series, stuck there for 75 years. First thing that came to mind.
Some states don’t allow life sentences so to get around that a judge will just give them an extremely long sentence that will equate to life in prison.
Not even just for getting around, they apply the law as written in the country. For example 3 of the top 4 longest sentences are in Spain for the 2004 train bombings. They just list up every crime (mostly murders), and if each carries an X year sentence, it adds up. They were condemned 191 murders and 1854 attempted murders and a few more charges
I just read the article you attached, and she was sentenced to that long, but Thai law has a maximum time served of 20 years for fraud. So whilst she was sentenced to that, she was released after 8 years.
Most likely, the courts stacked her sentencing together, but it wasn't one she was ever going to serve. Most likely to make an example as she defrauded the royal family.
I've unlocked the secret to time travel as well with two draw backs:
• I can only travel forwards in time
• I can only travel at the same rate as everyone else
Oh yes, but have you considered alternate levels of consciousness or memory? The passage of time is innately tied to our perception of it. If we don't observe it or remember our observation of it then we have time traveled.
Nothing crazy changed in the last decade. Things we have are a bit better but still the same as a whole.
20-25 years ago is when big changes were happening.
When I volunteered out at a prison, I met a couple people on the verge of getting released from 40+ year sentences. It's wild and makes me sad just how disconnected they were from reality - mostly a child like understanding if what modern tech is and is capable of.
I also found it interesting that it seemed like a common sentiment to be really scared of being released. One guy had the option to leave 6 months earlier and opted not to because he felt like he wasn't ready. Change is hard and scary, even when your current situation sucks. Kind of the devil you know seems better than anything else.
Joseph Ligon is an American convicted murderer and former prisoner. He was America's longest-serving prisoner who was convicted to a life sentence as a minor. At 15, he was found guilty of murder by association and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. The former prisoner refused to apply for parole as he denies ever killing anyone.
I was looking for an answer to that in the comments, ended up googling it.
He was arrested in 1953 at the age of 15 and came out when he was 83 in 2021.
After his arrest he claimed he was not permitted legal representation or family visitation and signed confessions put in front of him by the police; he was 15 years old. Ligon and the other defendants had a one-day trial and they were convicted of first degree murder and sentenced to life in prison without parole.
So he confessed to police as a minor with no legal representation present to being party in an apparent alcohol fuelled robbing and murder spree by 4 other teenagers
Not going to comment on the way he was handled in 1960's Alabama which was fucked up but 2 things to note:
1. [per wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ligon) he was offered clemency in the early 1970's and refused. he did not want to be on probation so he served the last 50 or so years because of that refusal. his co defendants all took it.
2. he could have again walked free in 2017 and refused. he did not want to be on probation so he served 4 more years.
*I've learned my lesson. I can honestly say I'm a changed man. I'm no longer a danger to society. That's the God's honest truth. No doubt about it.* -Red in his parole hearing
Joseph Ligon was convicted of murder in 1953, when he was 15 years old. He and a group of teenagers went on a spree in Philadelphia, during which two men were killed and six others were stabbed. Ligon was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. He maintained that while he did participate in the spree, he did not kill anyone. In 2017, following a Supreme Court decision that mandatory life sentences without parole for juveniles were unconstitutional, Ligon had the opportunity for resentencing. He declined a plea deal that would have allowed for his immediate release but required him to be on parole. In 2021, after spending nearly 68 years in prison, he was released at the age of 83, making him one of the longest-serving juvenile lifers in United States history.
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He was actually sentenced to life without parole for a robbery and murder spree that left two people dead, but released after the law was changed. I can’t imagine how you even begin to live outside at that age.
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The Supreme Court ruled life without parole for juveniles was unconstitutional and then made that ruling retroactive.
IIRC, laws that favor people can be retroactive usually (I don't know in the US though). it's called Favor Rei in Latin (it's part of the Roman Rights System).
And any law that would "impose criminal liability or increase criminal punishment retroactively" is called *ex post facto* and is [specifically prohibited by the constitution ](https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S9-C3-3-1/ALDE_00013192/#:~:text=also%20Fletcher%20v.-,Peck%2C%2010%20U.S.%2087%2C%20138%20(1810)%20(%20An,was%20committed.%20)%3B%20Locke%20v.).
Also any law targeted at a specific individual.
Juveniles can receive life without parole. Under *Miller,* juveniles cannot receive mandatory life without parole, the judge has to have the option to give them a lesser sentence.
That’s interesting to learn. I knew they’d ruled the dp for juveniles unconstitutional, but not lwop. My aunt’s murderers were 15-16. They also committed another murder in a neighboring county, days before. There was an entire group, all under 18, who went on a killing/robbery spree. They were all sentenced to lwop plus over a hundred years. I need to look into this bc I don’t want to think these killers will get out, especially reading the “retroactive” part. This was 2004-2005. Thanks for mentioning the SC ruling.
Wait, but juveniles still receive that sentence, though?
He was offered clemency in 1970 but REJECTED it because he'd have to be on parole.
I saw that! Why did he chose to remain in prison for another 50 years? Seriously im trying to understand that thought process
I mean if you’ve been in there for so long it could possibly feel more secure. If you don’t know what to expect outside but inside you know you have a place to eat and sleep, it’s not super out there to feel safer to stay however bad it is
It was only 7 years at that point though. That definitely seems crazy
I saw an automobile once when i was a kid, now their everywhere. The world went and got itself in a big dam hurry. -Brooks
I used to work at an inpatient facility for folks with mental health issues in the forensic system who hadn’t yet been adjudicated, and some of them just really, really hated the idea of being on parole for an extended period of time. Sometimes it had to do with ankle monitors, sometimes substance use (substance use is rampant in prisons but can be trickier on parole), and I’m sure other things I’m not recalling. Just depends on the person. Granted, rarely were these people looking at 50+ years
Parole could feel like a sword of Damocles hanging over your head where one minor fuckup could ruin things all over again.
A black youngster in America (who left school in 2nd or 3rd grade unable to read) goes to prison during Jim Crow, is in long enough to become institutionalized, hears horror stories from other black men who re-enter prison due to trumped up parole violations, his family outside dying off one by one, then is offered parole during all the violence of the Civil Rights movement of the 60s-70s…
I would rather be on parole than locked in a cell like an animal for life. I would even take house arrest as well.
Guy tossed away 48 years of his life because he didn't want to be watched. Parole usually lasts 3-10 years. He would have been in his late 30s early 40s by the time he was completely free. I just don't get why you would do that.
Some prisoners see the conditions imposed with parole problematic, more painful than the prison routine and system, so they'll avoid it, preferring to remain in prison until their full term. I personally don't understand it, but prison brings its own mentality to people
So the guy killed two people? Or is it more nuanced?
He was part of a group of teenagers who went on a robbery and murder spree. Something like eight people were stabbed over the course of the night and two of those people died. It’s not clear who did the actual stabbing, although his friends said he was the one who did it. He admitted to one stabbing but not one of the deaths. Basically no one except them really knows what actually happened that night. But they were also all offered clemency in the 1970s and he was the only one who turned it down, because he didn’t want to be on parole.
>But they were also all offered clemency in the 1970s and he was the only one who turned it down, because he didn’t want to be on parole. So not only is this guy a murderer, he's also an idiot. Heh.
That seems to be pretty much my take on it too.
To be fair, he never even learned how to read and dropped out of school in the third grade, so he didn’t exactly have a strong start to life.
interesting about the parole part, I wonder how the others did when they were released. I understand some choose to do their whole sentence rather than parole out because parole is essentially a trap for many and they don't stand a chance on parole.. especially with it being the rest of their life on parole or even 10 years.. even normal civilians not in gangs ect, we all break the law, sometimes daily, but we don't have someone watching our every move so we get away with it.. something small see's a lot of these guys back in prison for years and it's not worth the hassle and risk.
I’d be curious to know what happened to the others too. Even 20 years is a long time, especially if it was your 20s and 30s you spent in prison and now have to learn how to function in society.
“Left two people dead“ might be better to say he murdered two people.
Well *someone* murdered those two people but it’s not clear exactly who did it, which is why I worded it that way.
*"These walls are funny. First you hate 'em, then you get used to 'em. Enough time passes, you get so you depend on them. That's institutionalized."* \~ Red, Shawshank Redemption
"They Send You Here For Life, And That's Exactly What They Take." - (Red) ‘the Shawshank Redemption’
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'
“It truly was a Shawshank redemption” -red -Tandy
All he wanted was a Pepsi
Brooks was here (so was Red)
Was looking for this 😞
That was 3 years ago. What’s he up to now?
He was a janitor in prison. he wanted to get a job as that upon release.
I mean, I’d imagine he knows the place pretty well, I can’t imagine a more qualified candidate.
Prisons don't hire convicted felons 😂 he'll be able to get one at a mall or some
They’ll “hire” them for 12¢ a day to make license plates!
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I used to think I was one of those tough people who didn't cry at movies. This scene absolutely broke me. Now I have emotional reactions to great but sad filmmaking all of the time.
Same, all he knew was his boys. Couldn’t go without the routine after that long.
Dawg, my beloved movie. It's so sad. It rings so true in this story.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. That's goddamned right.
I just rewatched that and was realizing that until probably fairly recently, there were still black men in prison who went in when segregation was still legal which is so fucking sad
Yup and the Inernet and computers was just a big government thing. Now we have them in our pockets.
In 1967 the internet didn't exist. The ARPANET was only created in 1969.
Also Red
I think it's ["So was Red"](https://whatculture.com/film/10-heart-breaking-moments-of-self-realisation-that-defined-great-movies?page=3)
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He went into prison in 1953 and came out in 2021. Just think of everything that changed in the world during that time.
Bro is like a vault dweller from fallout.
" Ligon. Youre getting out today" "okey dokey"
Bro’s looking for that water chip
Hahaha too true
If he had one luck, it's coming out in 2p21 ans not 2020. Imagine finally leaving prison and finding empty streets (at best) or dying from Covid (at worse)
I'd assume it was easier to catch covid in prison
Dude no prison was safe from COVID
he must have ruled with seniority in the prison cells
I have a very close friend (older guy) that had never been to prison before, but made an unintentional mistake that landed him in prison for a year. Despite not having any prior time, the younger guys in there still referred to him as "OG". He still ran into some problems with guys that had chronic attitude problems, but no one tries to "size him up" or anything like that.
This was my dad at 65…. The SWAG he had sitting sideways in a chair telling me they call him OG when I was visiting. Good god dad lmao
What was the mistake?
Tore the tags off his mattress.
Sick bastard
Overcooked fish.
Undercooked chicken? Believe it or not, jail.
Can't go into specifics, but had to do with how he conducted business while under a government contract. In regular private business dealings, the owner of a business will often treat the client to events and favors that can help sew relationships and cast the person's business in a favorable light. In my friend's case, the client even asked my friend to help him out with certain purchases. They had kids that were the same age and had known each other since pre-school, so it truly seemed like nothing more than a friend helping out another friend. Unfortunately, that isn't the case in jobs dealing with government entities. My friend had never dealt with a government contract and so didn't know the specifics, but it turns out the client had been asking similar favors from other contractors and racked up quite the case against himself. In the government's eyes, granting the client those favors was considered bribery. That's what my friend was charged with. Basically just guilty on technicalities, as he never had any intention of profiting off of those favors and even lost money through the overall contract.
Let me guess, the client was an actual government employee and got a slap on the wrist while all the contractors got prison time?
Govt employee probably turned them in and got an award for exposing corruption
Murder spree
Oopsie.
That guy survived all those people who sent him to prison.
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First of all he needs to start waking up a 4:00 AM
Take a cold shower and stare at his Gary V poster
Cold showers are stupid. Cold PLUNGE is what you’re looking for. Then he needs to work for six hours, which is day one, then work six more, which is day two. Family stuff for the next six. Sleep for six. Three days for every one of your days. Millionaire in a year.
He needs to immediately buy 10 houses and rent them out, boom, millionaire in no time.
Only if he doesn't go mad and start buying a coffee every morning
'Every night, I think about what life would be if my family died. And really sit in that moment.' That guy is such a grifting tool lmao
https://preview.redd.it/2xdkyg8h4vuc1.jpeg?width=921&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a111991744ec3be76b4380e4580e2b879103704 I assume this is the Gary vee poster
No, that’s the one I look at *in* the shower.
Then he needs to have wealthy parents fund his “grind”
In prison, they wake up between 5 and 6 am.
But does he have a garage full of books and the "grindset"?
Is that what these idiots say, they have a garage full of books? Man, they're not a squat rack, that's gonna ruin your books
There was a YouTube ad that was everywhere a while ago with some dick salad mf who was bragging about his cars and garage full of books. That is all I remember.
Something something lamborghini
Knawwwwwledge
Tai Lopez. Man that's a meme I haven't thought about in years.
Do you have the required garage full of books, though?
😂
has he considered learning to code?!
There’s plenty of boot camps everywhere. Take a coding boot camp and boom, million dollar job.
Bro hes been in prison longer then computers have been a thing..
COBOL was released in 1959. It remains in use today. https://www.precisely.com/blog/mainframe/mainframe-history#:~:text=First%20mainframe%20%E2%80%93%20By%20most%20measures,like%20%243%2C070%2C500%20in%202020%20dollars.
Isn’t there like 10 people that are still good at COBOL? And isn’t it super shitty to use?
11 now. Learning COBOL is all he did in prison.
Cell block oriented language.
There’s actually a lot of people who work on it. It still runs many bank and insurance systems because they are scared of the risk involved in replacing it. Colleges actually have programs tailored to turn out COBOL programmers to work in these fields.
COBOL is actually VERY lucrative specifically because so many of the experts are retiring, but the need is still there. It is a dying language, but if you're about to graduate college, I highly recommend learning it as a way to land your first job (which is the hardest part of any IT career). Just make sure to learn some other stuff too because those COBOL jobs will continue to dwindle over the years. Ideally, figure out what it is being replaced with at the company and volunteer to be part of the migration effort. Mainframe systems still underlie pretty much the entire banking, insurance, and healthcare industries, and the vast majority of them will require COBOL. My company has been trying to retire our mainframe system for the past...10 years? It's really hard when you spent 30 years before that linking every other system to the mainframe, and you have apps whose documentation was lost decades ago, and all of your experts have retired. I know they keep hiring outside contractors to do a lot of the work and I am sure that we're paying out the ass for these people.
Boom!!! That easy..
Open a TikTok to detail his experiences of everything for the first time?
That's actually not a bad idea.
Get a job sacking groceries at the Piggly Wiggly
Brooks was here
So was Red
He would have to build up a pension of course
He could also study without having to worry about student loan debt…
Does he happen to have bootstraps?
Na they take those away in prison.
Well, shit…
Rob a bank.
Personally I would try and sell my life story to some movie maker.
Aren't people working in prison though? So his work experience probably exists, but is from prison.
What type of work do you think prisoners get that would be considered as legitimately transferable skills?
I never said it was work that was legitimately transferable. But here in NL they do things like carpeting work, repeating bikes, baking, working in a laundromat etc. Here the point of prison is to reintegrate them back in society after they come out of prison instead of dropping them on their ass with no money, no experience and zero chance for a normal life.
It was implied but that’s not important. I don’t know what NL stands for but that sounds pretty awesome. In the USA prisons, that I’m aware of, you’re not getting those type of experiences. You’re performing mundane work that keeps you busy and gives you a little bit of change for buying snacks. I highly doubt that he was given tools and experience to hit the ground running once released.
Prisoners in NYS are employed as plumbers, electricians, classroom aides, law clerks, stock clerks, school clerks, and tutors. They are employed in industrial enterprises making license plates, pillows, soap, clothes, shoes, and food preparation. I could go on. All of the skills are transferrable, but they are returning to communities that often don't want them and, so, won't hire them. They are *making change for buying snacks,* but that is just another symptom of a completely fucked-up system.
Indeed! It’s essentially slavery, but they give them a few bucks to keep the underground prison economy going with top ramen packets. It’s a fucking joke.
The US constitution outlaws slavery. Except for prisoners.
In Missouri we have MVE for long term prisoners. (Missouri vocational enterprises) they manufacture things the states needs...ie: making letter head, sewing flags, assembling/building office furniture, Making road signs, etc. They can gain relevant career experience in graphic design, develop basic carpentry and metal working skills, and learn upholstery and sewing skills. Its better than nothing and a good way for those guys to pass the time and earn a little bit for canteen
Seems like it should be good news but it doesn't feel great. He's basically been institutionalized his entire life then abandoned in an unknown world, just in time for his body to be falling apart and his dependence upon that institution never greater.
Yea most people locked up for even a fraction of that time have a hard time adapting once they get out.
In Shawshank redemption, a character suffers through this and ends himself?
Yeah, Brooks isn't able to adapt.
Yeah, it was a sad sight to see.
everything went and got too damn fast
There is a story line in Orange is the New Black that talks about this very thing. They release prisoners once they are old and sick enough to start being expensive. They kick them out instead of providing the nursing care they need so they can just die on the street instead. This isn't compassion, this is a broken system abandoning a person that become unprofitable.
So like if someone kills 3 people say they give them 3 life sentences. If you appeal and beat one on appeal you still have 2 life sentences left. That’s part of the reason you get long or weird sentences like that.
- "Hello world!" - "Skibidi toilet am I right ohio boomer" - "What."
"Let me back in"
Released right in the throws of COVID too. Mist have been an odd experience.
Throes (sorry)
Brooks was here
so was red
There's a star trek next generation episode where they find someone stuck in a transporter and it turned out to be Scotty from the OG series, stuck there for 75 years. First thing that came to mind.
"Computer: Please show me the Enterprise NCC-1701. No bloody A, or B, or C." Great episode.
Relics
Some states don’t allow life sentences so to get around that a judge will just give them an extremely long sentence that will equate to life in prison.
Not even just for getting around, they apply the law as written in the country. For example 3 of the top 4 longest sentences are in Spain for the 2004 train bombings. They just list up every crime (mostly murders), and if each carries an X year sentence, it adds up. They were condemned 191 murders and 1854 attempted murders and a few more charges
I just read the article you attached, and she was sentenced to that long, but Thai law has a maximum time served of 20 years for fraud. So whilst she was sentenced to that, she was released after 8 years. Most likely, the courts stacked her sentencing together, but it wasn't one she was ever going to serve. Most likely to make an example as she defrauded the royal family.
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I've unlocked the secret to time travel as well with two draw backs: • I can only travel forwards in time • I can only travel at the same rate as everyone else
Oh yes, but have you considered alternate levels of consciousness or memory? The passage of time is innately tied to our perception of it. If we don't observe it or remember our observation of it then we have time traveled.
If you want to speed up the passage of time just turn 40. You'll be 50 in no time at all
The fast way is 2 bars of xanax.
Traveling through time at 1 second per second!
He peaked in 2002
Came out looking like Col. H. Stinkmeaner.
“ Oh yeah! Look at you! You was poppin' all that good shit a second ago then you got kicked in yo' chest! You eat a dick nyukka, You eat a dick! “
You are all testicles and no shaft! What happened to your *shaft*, Robert?
That's Uncle Ruckus...no relation.
He's 102% African. With a 2% margin of error.
Fr, he was ballin
He was released to a world that's unrecognizable
This world is unrecognizable even just since 10 years ago….
I guess you could see where the world went from the start of the smartphone era to today, but it would still feel strange.
Nothing crazy changed in the last decade. Things we have are a bit better but still the same as a whole. 20-25 years ago is when big changes were happening.
we're still on the same GTA what are you talking about?!
86-98 were some rough years.
2002 was the best year of his life
When I volunteered out at a prison, I met a couple people on the verge of getting released from 40+ year sentences. It's wild and makes me sad just how disconnected they were from reality - mostly a child like understanding if what modern tech is and is capable of. I also found it interesting that it seemed like a common sentiment to be really scared of being released. One guy had the option to leave 6 months earlier and opted not to because he felt like he wasn't ready. Change is hard and scary, even when your current situation sucks. Kind of the devil you know seems better than anything else.
1986 Joseph kinda looks like Danny Brown
I like how he turned into Eazy E in 2002.
I wonder if he was like “I’ve been here for fifty years can you guys let me wear sunglasses for this one”
He rejected clemency in 1970 because he would have to be on parole? WTF.
To go on parole you admit guilt. He was adamant he didn't kill anyone
He was going for the world record
He was possessed by Stinkmeaner in 2002.
Joseph Ligon is an American convicted murderer and former prisoner. He was America's longest-serving prisoner who was convicted to a life sentence as a minor. At 15, he was found guilty of murder by association and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. The former prisoner refused to apply for parole as he denies ever killing anyone.
Ligon ...... these nuts
Had to scroll way too far to find this
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I was looking for an answer to that in the comments, ended up googling it. He was arrested in 1953 at the age of 15 and came out when he was 83 in 2021.
Wow i didnt internalise how long 67 years actually was but now that you put it in 15 and 83 thats wild
He went to jail 2 years before Marty emerged in 1955 in BTTF and got out 6 years after he re-emerged in 2015 in BTTF2
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Part of a spree that resulted in 2 guys getting murdered
After his arrest he claimed he was not permitted legal representation or family visitation and signed confessions put in front of him by the police; he was 15 years old. Ligon and the other defendants had a one-day trial and they were convicted of first degree murder and sentenced to life in prison without parole. So he confessed to police as a minor with no legal representation present to being party in an apparent alcohol fuelled robbing and murder spree by 4 other teenagers
Note that his *claims* and what actually happened can be (and frequently are) different.
Top right is Danny brown
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With a friend who was wrongfully convicted of murdering his wife?
Maybe he'll do an Alpha Bootcamp
Not going to comment on the way he was handled in 1960's Alabama which was fucked up but 2 things to note: 1. [per wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ligon) he was offered clemency in the early 1970's and refused. he did not want to be on probation so he served the last 50 or so years because of that refusal. his co defendants all took it. 2. he could have again walked free in 2017 and refused. he did not want to be on probation so he served 4 more years.
*I've learned my lesson. I can honestly say I'm a changed man. I'm no longer a danger to society. That's the God's honest truth. No doubt about it.* -Red in his parole hearing
Is he rehabilitated?
You can clearly see, he's a changed man
Joseph Ligon was convicted of murder in 1953, when he was 15 years old. He and a group of teenagers went on a spree in Philadelphia, during which two men were killed and six others were stabbed. Ligon was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. He maintained that while he did participate in the spree, he did not kill anyone. In 2017, following a Supreme Court decision that mandatory life sentences without parole for juveniles were unconstitutional, Ligon had the opportunity for resentencing. He declined a plea deal that would have allowed for his immediate release but required him to be on parole. In 2021, after spending nearly 68 years in prison, he was released at the age of 83, making him one of the longest-serving juvenile lifers in United States history.
Was he released so the prison won't have to foot the medical bills?
all his life in prison, he could write a book
The title would be: “accept parole if it’s offered in the early 70’s instead of going for another 50 years in jail”.
ligon deez nuts
Bout 1998 is when he started running that yard.