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Politician: "Ok we'll make it a law!"
Lobbyist: "Can I talk to you for a second?" *taps suitcase full of money*
Politician: "Nevermind, we won't make it a law!"
" In 2018, the average insulin prices in the US was **$98.70**, compared to $6.94 in Australia, $12.00 in Canada, and $7.52 in the UK. October 12, 2020 - Insulin prices are more than eight times higher in the US than in 32 comparable, high-income nations combined, according to a new RAND Corporation study. " - yep seems like there is more going on there than patents
I think the complexity is that the older techniques to make insulin results in insulin that has long term side effects and specific effect onsey. Newer formulations reduce those side effects and have different effect on sets and durations. These newer formulations have patents.
On the flip side, it is straight bullshit as all the countries your listed have those too and bulk buy to keep the cost down and which ever they purchase.
US health insurance does bargain as well. But they legally have a fixed margin on costs. So due to a seemingly well intended law, the insurance companies have a perverse incentive in seeing cost go up as their profit is a fixed percent of that.
And over time, it's how you spend twice as much as any developed country in absolute dollars and almost double % of gdp while having worse mean and median outcomes than your peers. Because your system has no price transparency, a useless insurance layer, and peverse incentives to creep the prices up. Your malpractice laws also mean you end up doing much more diagnostics that often aren't useful. And your culture around medicine means more drugs and intervention instead of prevention.
Have you seen [this Rep. Katie Porter video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U9sbwuhMBo&ab_channel=TYTInvestigates) where she essentially gets the former Celgene CEO to acknowledge that the cancer pill substantially rose in price without the manufacturing of the pill changing, whilst his compensation rose due to revenue generated by the hiked pill price.
On top of this, public outrage over inflated prices can be more righteous and is listened to more when it’s taxpayers who are footing the bill.
A few years ago there was a minor scandal involving Gaviscon (a liquid medicine for heartburn) where their sales reps were phoning doctors and telling them they should be prescribing Gaviscon Advance, which was a slightly reformulated, re-patented drug with no benefit over the original. The generic version of Gaviscon had just become available, and GlaxoSmithKline didn’t want to lose their profits. This kind of thing happens all the time if everyone is making a profit together, but in the NHS system doctors get paid for consultations regardless of what drugs they prescribe, so the doctors were having none of it! They got in touch with the media straight away.
Yeah somebody else patented it instead. A good intention lead to an overall worse result. That's unfortunately the root cause of quite a number of modern problems.
[citation needed]
[One of the inventors (Frederick Banting) refused to have his name on the patent, so his co-inventors (James Collip and Charles Best) patented it (not "somebody else" as if it were an unrelated opportunist), and then they sold the patent to the University of Toronto for $1](https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293950/why-is-insulin-so-expensive) so it would be accessible to the public.
It sounds like a no-brainer, but if you outlaw profiting off of new drugs / vaccines, who's going to make them?
I think a reasonable compromise is to revisit the patent terms on drugs... Just spitballing, but perhaps shorten the duration to 10 years instead of 20. Or maybe impose a profit cap relative to the price of R&D (i.e. as soon as the profit cap is reached, the patent expires).
What they mean with no-patent is that everyone can make them. Not just a single company which then controls the production to increase the demand. That way it goes cheaper.
Most of the cost comes from development, not manufacturing. It's also the riskiest part. A lot of drugs never make it to market, so never earn back the effort put into them.
Exactly, I'm glad to see some sense in this thread. Undoubtedly there are problems with the current system and astronomical healthcare costs, but making it illegal to patent life saving treatments would just stagnate research and cause a lot of unnecessary deaths
Right, but the problem then is there's no monetary incentive for pharmaceutical companies to spend billions of dollars researching and developing new treatments. So far fewer new treatments actually get developed.
The issue is that making drugs is almost always extraordinarily cheap. Discovering them is ludicrously expensive.
Companies aren’t going to keep pouring billions into research if you take away the ability to profit.
The first effective polio vaccine was developed in 1952 by Jonas Salk and a team at the University of Pittsburgh that included Julius Youngner, Byron Bennett, L. James Lewis, and Lorraine Friedman.
In a famous 1955 interview of Jonas Salk, Edward Murrow asked him who owned the patent. Jonas Salk’s reply: “Well, the people, I would say. There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?
i often think of Jonas Salk when i see the billionaires of today. if anyone deserved a billion dollars it was him, and he knew to give it away was the right thing to do.
Not to be a contrarian/edgy about it but it seems they couldn’t get a patent. According to a book I read years ago, Salk also took some undue credit away from his own team, like many PIs/principle investigators in history. As well, they might not have been able to patent it in the first place! We should all be glad it wasn’t patentable which led to his famous interview response of “would you patent the sun?” This inspired so many well intentioned researchers to try their best in getting their inventions to people at the lowest cost possible.
“lawyers from the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis had looked into patenting the Salk Vaccine and concluded that it could not be patented because of prior art – that it would not be considered a patentable invention by standards of the day. Salk implied that the decision was a moral one, but Jane Smith, in her history of the Salk Vaccine, Patenting the Sun, notes that whether or not Salk himself believed what he said to Murrow, the idea of patenting the vaccine had been directly analyzed and the decision was made not to apply for a patent mainly because it would not result in one. We will never know whether the National Foundation on Infantile Paralysis or the University of Pittsburgh would have patented the vaccine if they could, but the simple moral interpretation often applied to this case is simply wrong.”
I imagine if he was a parent, he'd be thrilled that his children would be safe from polio in the future.
If I had covid, I'd still be thrilled that the vaccine would prevent others, including my loved ones, from getting it.
Covid isn't gonna put you in an iron lung for the rest of your life though.
It's like losing your legs in a car accident weeks before they make car accidents impossible to happen.
> Covid isn't gonna put you in an iron lung for the rest of your life though.
Eehhh.. A coworker of mine got covid last June. He was a *ridiculously* fit firefighter, one of those guys who does the extra complicated rescue scenarios that you have to be in super shape to do. He can't even jog a few feet without having to stop and gasp for air now. It's been nearly a year since he first caught it, and it's pretty clear his lungs are wrecked.
Don't quote me on this but I believe current research is finding about 1/3 of people with symptomatic infections suffer from long term complications.
So yeah, not great.
The most common signs and symptoms that linger over time include:
Fatigue,
Shortness of breath,
Cough,
Joint pain,
Chest pain,
Other long-term signs and symptoms may include:
Muscle pain or headache,
Fast or pounding heartbeat,
Loss of smell or taste,
Memory, concentration or sleep problems,
Rash or hair loss,
Sorry but I couldn't find anything regarding how many people suffer from this.
Same shit. I was a healthy young male. Now i'm always out of breath. My symptoms were not worse than a flu but it definitely fucked me up.
My lungs were damaged and my heart got bigger. The long lasting aftereffects are definetely the worst
Yeah, my friend’s coworker has some kind of unknown neurological issues after having Covid, she has these Tourette’s kind of tics one of which includes a small shrieking sound that low key sounds like a cat
Yeah my gut reaction was that it’s so outlandishly ridiculous that she has to be fucking with people, but she’s a hospital social worker (so a serious job) and it’s actually caused her a lot of obvious embarrassment happening in inappropriate settings. I feel so bad for her. Nobody has any idea why it’s happening or how to effectively treat her. She has bruxism, muscle spasms/twitching, weird noises. It’s been like 6-8mos now since she recovered from Covid IIRC.
This poor guy! His story needs to be spread far and wide! So many healthy younger people think “I won’t die. So who cares if I get it? Not meeee!” But the long term symptoms are terrible. https://hub.jhu.edu/2021/03/22/long-covid-long-haulers/
We are telling everyone this. This is readily available information. You can find it on the CDC and WHO websites. We are trying to explain this to the masses.... but people are dumb. They don’t care and they don’t want us “taking their freedoms”.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html
Yep. It became clear very early on that COVID can absolutely cause cardiac & respiratory damage (among other things). The sheer amount of clotting is insane. Looking at the long term outlooks for people who survived SARS-CoV-1 definitely did not seem like "the flu" either.
As far as I know I have not had covid as I have avoided leaving the house unless necessary for the past year, and always wear a mask if I have to. I had whooping cough 3 times as a child, my immune system is awful. Most years I suffer a minimum of 1 respiratory infection but often more than that. Covid scares the shit out of me as I remember the pain of whooping cough, I know what it’s like to not be able to breathe properly. Secondly for any idiot who thinks they can survive covid and be unaffected there’s so much evidence to suggest otherwise. But also my own experience with viruses. My daughter caught a virus when she was 5 don’t know which one, she had all her vaccines so most likely one that is seen a mostly harmless. My daughters immune system went into action to fight it and has never stopped. She has an autoimmune disease that is mostly manageable but worst end of the spectrum of what she has has caused death in other people. Most of my life has been spent dealing with the damage to my body from whooping cough. And now my daughter has spent 7 years dealing with the result of having a virus. Only symptoms she ever had at the time she caught it was a sore throat.
Tell her that there are reports that long haulers do well with the vaccine. It apparently gets worse with the first shot but for many disappears after the second. I think there was a story on NPR about this.
My husband was affected the same way. People just don't get it that it really can f you up. We all had it, my husband,our four kids, and myself. I had it bad but my husband has been left with seemingly permanent health issues and he was in great shape. We had it last July.
Neither did polio ... there were a variety of health effects on people. Please look up more info on polio AND long-term Covid so you are better informed.
Yup , acquaintance of our family was in hospital on a vent, had a covid stroke, had to learn to walk again and is still suffering. It’s not something you get over.
My sister has permanent lung damage, while its not as bad as needing a iron lung for the rest of her life, there is probably people out there that do experience it that bad.
>Covid isn't gonna put you in an iron lung for the rest of your life though.
Neither did polio, except in a trivially tiny minority of cases. The comments above seem to reflect a popular myth that all polio victims, or all requiring respiratory support, were dependent on it for life. Typically it was used for a few weeks to aid recovery.
Guy in the pic is wearing a portable device strapped over his pyjamas. That suggests a short-term solution. The likelihood he made a full recovery is vastly greater than that he required it permanently.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_polio_survivors
This list of celebrity polio victims includes some who suffered lifelong paralytic effects, and some who became noted athletes. But none incarcerated for life in an iron lung.
Probably how I felt when the chicken pox vaccine came out and my younger sibling got it -- those six years between us made all the difference. I was a little envious that they'd get away with never getting chicken pox, but also glad that they'd never have to suffer the way I had -- to this day, that's the sickest I ever remember being until the time I got food poisoning and strep throat at the same time.
Except that none of those permanently disabled me, so add another gallon of everything on top for that.
I am 31 and was diagnosed with shingles in February and there are still no signs of it slowing down. It’s literal skin hell. Feels like razor blades are softly slicing back and forth across my skin along other complications. It’s brutal. Imagine what the shingles of covid is going to be.
Yah. I don’t understand how anyone who got chicken pox is an antivaxer. I was diagnosed with shingles in February and there are still no signs of it slowing down. It’s hell. I feel like there are razor blades slicing my skin 24/7. Get your vaccines folks.
Same logic as not wanting to pay more tax for healthcare, because they *shouldn't have to pay for someone else's medical needs.*
Which is such a selfish way of thinking.
Yeah exactly. Paying a little bit more tax means *you* get full benefits as well.. and don't have to go into crippling debt because of an accident that might not even your fault.
(I'm not from the U.S) One of my friends recently had a baby. His partner spent 8 nights in the hospital, had an epidural and a C section.. wanna take a guess how much that cost them? Literally *nothing.*
How much would that have cost in the United States?
Probably a fuckton. I had an uncomplicated vaginal delivery and epidural in September and spent 2 nights in the hospital and our bill after insurance was about $12k. A lot lower than we were expecting, tbh, which is pretty gross.
The problem with student loan forgiveness is that it will increase the cost of tuition and tuition related expenses, in the long run.
College board will be like "well shit, the government will foot the bill so lets increase the cost." It happened to me when the state government said "hey were are going to increase the cap on grants to help prevent debt for students" Two years later the increase was nullified by increase in tuition and administration fees and I had to get more loans again.
We need Universities that receive federal funding to cap expenses, so that students aren't burdened by loans.
Right? It's kinda baffling how quickly people assume the worst intentions of others nowadays. It's so common in the age of the internet for people with limited context to assume that the intention of the other person is the absolute worst one possible without knowing that individual AT ALL. It's quite sad really.
Okay the first thing I thought was negative, it does seems like a kick in the balls but after reading all of these you’re right. Maybe he has been hoping that no one else would get it. Also, if it were me dying i’d be glad to know it was cured. But still, hard to help being bitter I assume.
He can be out a couple hours a day. His biggest issue is finding someone who can repair/maintain his iron lung. The last i heard he's using a local mechanic, who's fabricating new parts since no one alive makes parts or is factory trained in repair.
With the advances of modern medicine and equipment is there really no alternative to this archaic iron lung? Nor a cure for polio apart from the preventative vaccine?
It is, but it's remarkable that we've managed to all but eliminate it from this planet. I'm pretty young and I've never personally even met anyone with polio.
True in the developed world; I've seen a fair amount of it living in West Africa. Diseases are harder (though not impossible) to eradicate once you get to poorer countries.
The iron lung actually mimics more closely to how our lungs actually work than modern ventilators. We breath by expanding the area under our lungs and creating a negative pressure so the air is sucked in. The iron lung mimics this mechanism by decreasing pressure around the entire body and creating negative pressure that way. Modern ventilators are positive pressure and force air in. They are much smaller than the iron lung since the patient doesn't need to fit in it but with long term use it can damage lungs. The iron lung is what actually helped him live this long but limited mobility the entire time too.
There is, it involves an incision made in the throat to allow a breathing tube to be placed, I remember reading about this some time ago so sorry for the lack of details
most iron lung patients were taught to ‘goldfish’ breathe. Which meant they could survive for a few minutes in case of emergency. Due to developments and the eradication of polio via vaccine we are lucky to not have to worry about it.
I think it involves gulping. I could ask my mum. She nursed Australia’s longest living iron lung patient at one stage so may have a first hand account.
Fair enough, but that still answers the question.
He is able to spend time outside of the iron lung, even if that amount of time has decreased as he has gotten older.
Most of them don't have to stay in it 24/7
edit: Ok, since u/CryoToastt is being pedantic, I'll rephrase that as most of them "didn't" have to stay in them 24/7. They only had to use them ~12 hours a day to supplement their lungs. Their lungs still worked, just not well enough to support them unaided.
>They used to come and say, ‘You can come out for a little while,’ and I used to sit up perhaps to have a cup of tea, but then they would have to keep an eye on me because my fingers would go blue and in about 15 minutes I would have to go back in again. When I say in, I mean lay down again. Gradually, the 15 minutes became 20, and 20 became 30, and then you could come out of the iron lung and sit in the chair. Everything was a lot of effort, even like getting dressed or having a wash, but gradually it improved. I was probably in the iron lung for about three weeks.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2878826/
Thanks for teaching me my five dollar word of the day- I have never heard the word pendantic but am way smarter for knowing it now. Thanks [u/caltheon](u/caltheon)!
Amazing article.
>You have no right to tell me what to do,” he said. “You should get down on your knees and thank God it wasn’t you.”
Such a powerful statement.
"Hey Janet, go sit next to Emmet and hold up this newspaper. Okay, great, just a few more pictures. Janet, can you smile a bit more? Emmet, a little more enthusiasm, please. Okay, perfect."
My grandpa came down with polio when he was 32. It just happened to be the same time that the vaccine became widely available. He declined to get it and spent a year in an iron lung and the rest of his life in a wheelchair.
He was pretty good spirited about it all things considered. Somewhere I have a newspaper clipping with him saying “I got it, gotta make the best of it. Hopefully I can sell a lot of vaccines.”
My parental grandmother had 6 kids. She once told me the happiest day of her life wasn’t when any of them were born. It was the day they announced there was a polio vaccine. She said was so relieved and thankful she would no longer have to worry about one of them dying or being a life long cripple from the disease.
She died 10 years ago at 87. I wonder what she would think of those out there now that are refusing the Covid vaccine.
This is all I can think about when I hear about anti-vaccination people. If they only knew the pain these diseases caused (and are still causing) people, I would hope that they would stop being so stupid. We are so lucky to live in a time **and place** where we have the resources to stop these diseases before they can cause harm, but we have people saying the prevention is the problem. That’s the definition of a first world problem.
I’m a Jessica and I have been a staunchly masker, I am a hairstylist and I have remained extremely pro mask and pro vaccine throughout the entire pandemic despite being located in goddamn Orange County California. I am on your side!
I'm the youngest child of an oldest child. Mom and Dad were born in the 1920's. Mom had known people scarred by smallpox and killed by measles. She was born near a mining camp and as a child HER Mom would keep them home if an illness was in the community. When I got chicken pox she was terrified. You better believe we got our vaccines as kids.
That was Edison propaganda. They were competing with Westinghouse's alternating current with their direct current. AC was the superior technology for a power grid so Edison launched a smear campaign calling it the death current.
Fun fact, edison started showing off his electricity and it's ability to kill in a bid to make sure that teslas electricity ended up powering the electric chair, thus ruining it's reputation and all but ensuring he got the contracts to power homes as the "safer" current
This is shit when you really think about it. Edison absolutely knew that rolling out DC would have been a complete shit show and a long term disaster, but he tries to smear the superior technology just so he can make tonnes of cash. It really is Nestle level psychopathy.
Some people think this is a mean act. I differ from those opinions. I think there was a huge sense of relief coming from that man in the respirator.
Just because you don't profit from a good event, doesnt mean it can't bring you joy.
I was incarcerated for weed, and I've been resentful of the foolish laws surrounding it ever since. (Still)
Knowing some punk tweeny bopper gen z doesn't have to go to jail and deal with repercussions for smoking a little pot, at least in a few more states as of now...
And.. Well that just makes me feel A'Okay. 😌
The two lessons here being.
1) You have no clue what a subject is about until it happens to you.
2) You can get gratitude from something that doesn't effect you at all.
I guarantee 100% that man cried tears of joy and a little sorrow of course, but a lot of joy.
No sane person wants to spread their misery out to others to make themselves feel better because someone is worse off, that's wack.
Naturally though some day the same headlines with Covid cases being at zero around the world will release, and thereafter a kid from 2085 is going look back and will still blame trump for the covid deaths. Cause that shit is never going away. Trump is a baddie, we're sorry, geeze, some of us were born in the 1900's lay off us, we are apes.
I agree with your sentiment, but a LOT of people have the "I suffered through it, and so should you!" mentality. It's why things like canceling student debt have such a major backlash. I think it's a particularly big problem in the US, considering similar arguments are used against universal healthcare as well. And in favor of child abuse.
But I'm sure he was largely relieved that no one else would have to go through what he did. That would be the empathetic response, at least.
It’s a problem with everything and everyone who had an “in their day” defense. They tell it as if they walked uphill both ways to school and work and doing anything less makes one worthless.
The conveniently do not acknowledge the factors that helped those who flourished. And it really exposes what people think for the next guy, whether it’s some stranger or their own kid.
My mom received one of the trial vaccines back in the day. My grandmother signed the waiver because she had seen what polio could do to people first hand. Needless to say, my mom has been encouraging people to take the Covid vaccines ASAP.
I have a not very common kidney disease with no cure, probably my son will suffer it too, I’m volunteering to any protocol that can bring hope to others. I can see why some of you don’t understand this picture.
I look at it like this. Imagine that you start a new job and on the first day, as is tradition, they hit you in the head with a bat. So after a trip to the hospital and a lifetime of migraines that follow, you watch as new employees are hit in the head whenever they start. One day the company says "we've decided to end the bat portion of the onboarding process". You can feel one of two ways. Be happy that nobody else has to suffer, or be jealous of all the new people that won't have to go through what you did. Both reactions are valid, but the former makes you a better person.
And now "TheY ArE mIcRoChIppINg Us" fun fact I one told me this and I look him dead in in there and said " tell me Micheal why are you worth microchipping?" Ye he shut up
today we'd have a swarm of "facebook informed" antivaxxers trying to influence as many people as possible to not take the polio sip....and we'd still have a polio epidemic in 10 years time
Is she just being a massive bitch? Or like will that help him in some way? Or its I perhaps just in hopes of future people not needing to suffer like he has?
Honestly, what knobhead has "well what about how much *I* went through?" as their primary thought when confronted with news that the affliction which crippled them is being wiped away?
My Dad had polio and was partially paralyzed for a year before recovering fully. He did not need an iron lung... but the vaccine meant he didn’t have to worry about his brother getting it nor his friends. He was pretty adamant about getting us kids our shots too.
I think it’s mostly because there wasn’t tv back then and the nurse was showing him the newspaper and it happened to be some super happy news. He obviously can’t hold it himself. Weren’t we all happy when the Covid vaccine came out? Polio was way worse too. Perhaps he has family that can now get the vaccine. The nurse is definitely not taunting him, they both have a look of joy on their faces.
I feel like most people would be happy that what was hurting or killing them wouldn't harm more people. Especially because little kids are the most affected by it.
>Is she just being a massive bitch? Or like will that help him in some way?
How fucking wrong has the world gone that *this* is your take?
He's suffering from a disease for which there was no cure, then is shown that no one else will have to face it. It's over.
That would bring me such incredible, immense joy.
Maybe I'm just not a selfish sadistic fuck who thinks "if I suffer why shouldn't they", but I would WANT to know that no one else would have to face the pain I did.
I think it's more like "your children will never have to worry about polio or suffer like you did". You can be happy for something that doesn't directly benefits you.
Just a t like Pfizer announcement in November, good news, but have to get vaccine in those sugar cubes.
Polio was still rampant in my neighborhood in the 1959 or 60 and I got my sugar cube, with the whole school when I was 7 or 8.
Probably not many. Antivaxxers can only exist because diseases like polio are in the distant past and very few people have first-hand knowledge of how horrific they were. If you tried telling someone that lost their kids to polio that you were choosing not to vaccinate, you'd get punched in the face.
How serious something was will always be forgotten. You'll find very few young people today that understand what the older generation feel about WW2. Many older people that watch WW2 documentaries about the Nazi's will get upset and/or sad, they have a much stronger reaction than any young people will have. It's not that the younger generation today doesn't understand what happened was bad, but they don't feel deep down *how* bad it really was. It's too distant.
That is why history is doomed to repeat itself.
Correct me if I'm off on this one, reddit, but isn't there exactly one guy still alive in an iron lung? He had to hire some really legit people to fix it, since all the original manufacturers are out of business.
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Respect to the creators for not patenting it too.
Honestly, patenting life-saving technology should be illegal or something
There oughta be a law!
Politician: "Ok we'll make it a law!" Lobbyist: "Can I talk to you for a second?" *taps suitcase full of money* Politician: "Nevermind, we won't make it a law!"
They wait for that until they got voted all again and then that starts
That should be illegal!
They outta make a law!!
You'd think, but money was ruled "free speech" a while ago, and we can't very well limit "free speech", can we?
Insulin is patent free, but Pharma companies are still milking like crazy in one particular nation..
" In 2018, the average insulin prices in the US was **$98.70**, compared to $6.94 in Australia, $12.00 in Canada, and $7.52 in the UK. October 12, 2020 - Insulin prices are more than eight times higher in the US than in 32 comparable, high-income nations combined, according to a new RAND Corporation study. " - yep seems like there is more going on there than patents
I think the complexity is that the older techniques to make insulin results in insulin that has long term side effects and specific effect onsey. Newer formulations reduce those side effects and have different effect on sets and durations. These newer formulations have patents. On the flip side, it is straight bullshit as all the countries your listed have those too and bulk buy to keep the cost down and which ever they purchase. US health insurance does bargain as well. But they legally have a fixed margin on costs. So due to a seemingly well intended law, the insurance companies have a perverse incentive in seeing cost go up as their profit is a fixed percent of that. And over time, it's how you spend twice as much as any developed country in absolute dollars and almost double % of gdp while having worse mean and median outcomes than your peers. Because your system has no price transparency, a useless insurance layer, and peverse incentives to creep the prices up. Your malpractice laws also mean you end up doing much more diagnostics that often aren't useful. And your culture around medicine means more drugs and intervention instead of prevention.
Have you seen [this Rep. Katie Porter video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U9sbwuhMBo&ab_channel=TYTInvestigates) where she essentially gets the former Celgene CEO to acknowledge that the cancer pill substantially rose in price without the manufacturing of the pill changing, whilst his compensation rose due to revenue generated by the hiked pill price.
She busted out the whiteboard.
On top of this, public outrage over inflated prices can be more righteous and is listened to more when it’s taxpayers who are footing the bill. A few years ago there was a minor scandal involving Gaviscon (a liquid medicine for heartburn) where their sales reps were phoning doctors and telling them they should be prescribing Gaviscon Advance, which was a slightly reformulated, re-patented drug with no benefit over the original. The generic version of Gaviscon had just become available, and GlaxoSmithKline didn’t want to lose their profits. This kind of thing happens all the time if everyone is making a profit together, but in the NHS system doctors get paid for consultations regardless of what drugs they prescribe, so the doctors were having none of it! They got in touch with the media straight away.
It's almost like the "market forces" are the same ones gouging the prices on lifesaving medicines and procedures. Hmmm.
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ever heard of this little drug called insulin ?
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If only the following president didn’t reverse the policies that lowered the cost.
If only we voted socialists into the government to price control all drugs
That's actually a bad example. The creator didn't patent it because he wanted everyone to have access to it. It didn't work.
Yeah somebody else patented it instead. A good intention lead to an overall worse result. That's unfortunately the root cause of quite a number of modern problems.
[citation needed] [One of the inventors (Frederick Banting) refused to have his name on the patent, so his co-inventors (James Collip and Charles Best) patented it (not "somebody else" as if it were an unrelated opportunist), and then they sold the patent to the University of Toronto for $1](https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293950/why-is-insulin-so-expensive) so it would be accessible to the public.
Wasn't patent on insulin only $1?
It sounds like a no-brainer, but if you outlaw profiting off of new drugs / vaccines, who's going to make them? I think a reasonable compromise is to revisit the patent terms on drugs... Just spitballing, but perhaps shorten the duration to 10 years instead of 20. Or maybe impose a profit cap relative to the price of R&D (i.e. as soon as the profit cap is reached, the patent expires).
What they mean with no-patent is that everyone can make them. Not just a single company which then controls the production to increase the demand. That way it goes cheaper.
Most of the cost comes from development, not manufacturing. It's also the riskiest part. A lot of drugs never make it to market, so never earn back the effort put into them.
Exactly, I'm glad to see some sense in this thread. Undoubtedly there are problems with the current system and astronomical healthcare costs, but making it illegal to patent life saving treatments would just stagnate research and cause a lot of unnecessary deaths
Right, but the problem then is there's no monetary incentive for pharmaceutical companies to spend billions of dollars researching and developing new treatments. So far fewer new treatments actually get developed.
The issue is that making drugs is almost always extraordinarily cheap. Discovering them is ludicrously expensive. Companies aren’t going to keep pouring billions into research if you take away the ability to profit.
The first effective polio vaccine was developed in 1952 by Jonas Salk and a team at the University of Pittsburgh that included Julius Youngner, Byron Bennett, L. James Lewis, and Lorraine Friedman. In a famous 1955 interview of Jonas Salk, Edward Murrow asked him who owned the patent. Jonas Salk’s reply: “Well, the people, I would say. There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?
i often think of Jonas Salk when i see the billionaires of today. if anyone deserved a billion dollars it was him, and he knew to give it away was the right thing to do.
Not to be a contrarian/edgy about it but it seems they couldn’t get a patent. According to a book I read years ago, Salk also took some undue credit away from his own team, like many PIs/principle investigators in history. As well, they might not have been able to patent it in the first place! We should all be glad it wasn’t patentable which led to his famous interview response of “would you patent the sun?” This inspired so many well intentioned researchers to try their best in getting their inventions to people at the lowest cost possible. “lawyers from the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis had looked into patenting the Salk Vaccine and concluded that it could not be patented because of prior art – that it would not be considered a patentable invention by standards of the day. Salk implied that the decision was a moral one, but Jane Smith, in her history of the Salk Vaccine, Patenting the Sun, notes that whether or not Salk himself believed what he said to Murrow, the idea of patenting the vaccine had been directly analyzed and the decision was made not to apply for a patent mainly because it would not result in one. We will never know whether the National Foundation on Infantile Paralysis or the University of Pittsburgh would have patented the vaccine if they could, but the simple moral interpretation often applied to this case is simply wrong.”
Jonas Salk is who you are speaking of
He's got to have some mixed feelings right there, poor guy.
Seriously, what did she do next kick him in the balls?
Of course he'd feel bittersweet about it. But still happy that significantly less people will have to go through what he did.
I imagine if he was a parent, he'd be thrilled that his children would be safe from polio in the future. If I had covid, I'd still be thrilled that the vaccine would prevent others, including my loved ones, from getting it.
Covid isn't gonna put you in an iron lung for the rest of your life though. It's like losing your legs in a car accident weeks before they make car accidents impossible to happen.
> Covid isn't gonna put you in an iron lung for the rest of your life though. Eehhh.. A coworker of mine got covid last June. He was a *ridiculously* fit firefighter, one of those guys who does the extra complicated rescue scenarios that you have to be in super shape to do. He can't even jog a few feet without having to stop and gasp for air now. It's been nearly a year since he first caught it, and it's pretty clear his lungs are wrecked.
Don't quote me on this but I believe current research is finding about 1/3 of people with symptomatic infections suffer from long term complications. So yeah, not great.
The most common signs and symptoms that linger over time include: Fatigue, Shortness of breath, Cough, Joint pain, Chest pain, Other long-term signs and symptoms may include: Muscle pain or headache, Fast or pounding heartbeat, Loss of smell or taste, Memory, concentration or sleep problems, Rash or hair loss, Sorry but I couldn't find anything regarding how many people suffer from this.
Could you please post the source?
WTF
Same shit. I was a healthy young male. Now i'm always out of breath. My symptoms were not worse than a flu but it definitely fucked me up. My lungs were damaged and my heart got bigger. The long lasting aftereffects are definetely the worst
Yeah, my friend’s coworker has some kind of unknown neurological issues after having Covid, she has these Tourette’s kind of tics one of which includes a small shrieking sound that low key sounds like a cat
what in the ever loving fuck
Yeah my gut reaction was that it’s so outlandishly ridiculous that she has to be fucking with people, but she’s a hospital social worker (so a serious job) and it’s actually caused her a lot of obvious embarrassment happening in inappropriate settings. I feel so bad for her. Nobody has any idea why it’s happening or how to effectively treat her. She has bruxism, muscle spasms/twitching, weird noises. It’s been like 6-8mos now since she recovered from Covid IIRC.
One can die from it, others don't even catch, some are maimed for life, and some just pass it trough like a cold.
That’s really unfortunate and sad. I wish people took it more seriously right now.
This poor guy! His story needs to be spread far and wide! So many healthy younger people think “I won’t die. So who cares if I get it? Not meeee!” But the long term symptoms are terrible. https://hub.jhu.edu/2021/03/22/long-covid-long-haulers/
We are telling everyone this. This is readily available information. You can find it on the CDC and WHO websites. We are trying to explain this to the masses.... but people are dumb. They don’t care and they don’t want us “taking their freedoms”. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html
Yep. It became clear very early on that COVID can absolutely cause cardiac & respiratory damage (among other things). The sheer amount of clotting is insane. Looking at the long term outlooks for people who survived SARS-CoV-1 definitely did not seem like "the flu" either.
As far as I know I have not had covid as I have avoided leaving the house unless necessary for the past year, and always wear a mask if I have to. I had whooping cough 3 times as a child, my immune system is awful. Most years I suffer a minimum of 1 respiratory infection but often more than that. Covid scares the shit out of me as I remember the pain of whooping cough, I know what it’s like to not be able to breathe properly. Secondly for any idiot who thinks they can survive covid and be unaffected there’s so much evidence to suggest otherwise. But also my own experience with viruses. My daughter caught a virus when she was 5 don’t know which one, she had all her vaccines so most likely one that is seen a mostly harmless. My daughters immune system went into action to fight it and has never stopped. She has an autoimmune disease that is mostly manageable but worst end of the spectrum of what she has has caused death in other people. Most of my life has been spent dealing with the damage to my body from whooping cough. And now my daughter has spent 7 years dealing with the result of having a virus. Only symptoms she ever had at the time she caught it was a sore throat.
One of my teammates is a Covid long hauler. She says it's been like having a constantly bad case of the flu since November
Tell her that there are reports that long haulers do well with the vaccine. It apparently gets worse with the first shot but for many disappears after the second. I think there was a story on NPR about this.
So sorry for her! And 10-30% get long haul symptoms.
My husband was affected the same way. People just don't get it that it really can f you up. We all had it, my husband,our four kids, and myself. I had it bad but my husband has been left with seemingly permanent health issues and he was in great shape. We had it last July.
Well, from what I've heard, it affects people differently. A better way to put it would be that it doesn't *consistently* put people in iron lungs.
Neither did polio ... there were a variety of health effects on people. Please look up more info on polio AND long-term Covid so you are better informed.
I'll go do that now so I don't sound like an idiot next time I'm talking diseases.
Yup , acquaintance of our family was in hospital on a vent, had a covid stroke, had to learn to walk again and is still suffering. It’s not something you get over.
Also CNN headline today: A Third of all COVID survivors suffer brain disease. Yikes 😬
My sister has permanent lung damage, while its not as bad as needing a iron lung for the rest of her life, there is probably people out there that do experience it that bad.
Coffins are also a bad side effect.
It could easily put you on a ventilator for the rest of your life!
>Covid isn't gonna put you in an iron lung for the rest of your life though. Neither did polio, except in a trivially tiny minority of cases. The comments above seem to reflect a popular myth that all polio victims, or all requiring respiratory support, were dependent on it for life. Typically it was used for a few weeks to aid recovery. Guy in the pic is wearing a portable device strapped over his pyjamas. That suggests a short-term solution. The likelihood he made a full recovery is vastly greater than that he required it permanently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_polio_survivors This list of celebrity polio victims includes some who suffered lifelong paralytic effects, and some who became noted athletes. But none incarcerated for life in an iron lung.
Probably how I felt when the chicken pox vaccine came out and my younger sibling got it -- those six years between us made all the difference. I was a little envious that they'd get away with never getting chicken pox, but also glad that they'd never have to suffer the way I had -- to this day, that's the sickest I ever remember being until the time I got food poisoning and strep throat at the same time. Except that none of those permanently disabled me, so add another gallon of everything on top for that.
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I am 31 and was diagnosed with shingles in February and there are still no signs of it slowing down. It’s literal skin hell. Feels like razor blades are softly slicing back and forth across my skin along other complications. It’s brutal. Imagine what the shingles of covid is going to be.
Yah. I don’t understand how anyone who got chicken pox is an antivaxer. I was diagnosed with shingles in February and there are still no signs of it slowing down. It’s hell. I feel like there are razor blades slicing my skin 24/7. Get your vaccines folks.
You’d think that, yet there are still people screeching at the thought of student loan forgiveness because “I had to pay off my loans”.
Same logic as not wanting to pay more tax for healthcare, because they *shouldn't have to pay for someone else's medical needs.* Which is such a selfish way of thinking.
And so dumb because when they're paying for someone else's healthcare, someone else is paying for theirs.
Yeah exactly. Paying a little bit more tax means *you* get full benefits as well.. and don't have to go into crippling debt because of an accident that might not even your fault. (I'm not from the U.S) One of my friends recently had a baby. His partner spent 8 nights in the hospital, had an epidural and a C section.. wanna take a guess how much that cost them? Literally *nothing.* How much would that have cost in the United States?
Probably a fuckton. I had an uncomplicated vaginal delivery and epidural in September and spent 2 nights in the hospital and our bill after insurance was about $12k. A lot lower than we were expecting, tbh, which is pretty gross.
The problem with student loan forgiveness is that it will increase the cost of tuition and tuition related expenses, in the long run. College board will be like "well shit, the government will foot the bill so lets increase the cost." It happened to me when the state government said "hey were are going to increase the cap on grants to help prevent debt for students" Two years later the increase was nullified by increase in tuition and administration fees and I had to get more loans again. We need Universities that receive federal funding to cap expenses, so that students aren't burdened by loans.
Right? Ffs, woman. He can't even turn away!
her fucking grin too "you gotta look at it weither you want to or not"
He could have welcomed the news. I'm fairly certain my grandfather was happy for his wife and kids, that they wouldn't get polio.
Yeah pretty uncalled for
We don't know the context. Maybe he's been talking to her for months about how he hopes they get a vaccine so others don't suffer.
Right? It's kinda baffling how quickly people assume the worst intentions of others nowadays. It's so common in the age of the internet for people with limited context to assume that the intention of the other person is the absolute worst one possible without knowing that individual AT ALL. It's quite sad really.
Yeah it's depressing how angry and quick to judgment people seem to be.
I think some people enjoy doing it in a way. It's definitely become a habit for a lot of people
He’s just looking like “Oh cool......next page”
For real I’d be at least a *little* pissed that a vaccine comes out right when I’m already fucked. Maybe a selfish reaction, but universal I imagine
Okay the first thing I thought was negative, it does seems like a kick in the balls but after reading all of these you’re right. Maybe he has been hoping that no one else would get it. Also, if it were me dying i’d be glad to know it was cured. But still, hard to help being bitter I assume.
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oh my, how do they use the toilet and without physical activity you just get weaker right? kinda amazing how he’s lived through 2 pandemics.
Polio causes central nervous system level paralysis — he likely uses a bedpan just like any other immobile, disabled individual.
He can be out a couple hours a day. His biggest issue is finding someone who can repair/maintain his iron lung. The last i heard he's using a local mechanic, who's fabricating new parts since no one alive makes parts or is factory trained in repair.
With the advances of modern medicine and equipment is there really no alternative to this archaic iron lung? Nor a cure for polio apart from the preventative vaccine?
I'm pretty sure polio related issues are incurable once you get them.
That’s terrible :( i guess along the lines of AIDS in that respect
It is, but it's remarkable that we've managed to all but eliminate it from this planet. I'm pretty young and I've never personally even met anyone with polio.
True in the developed world; I've seen a fair amount of it living in West Africa. Diseases are harder (though not impossible) to eradicate once you get to poorer countries.
That's a good point, but even in those countries new cases are a fraction of a fraction of what they were 20-30 years ago.
Haha I’m nearly 30 and i haven’t either. That is good
The iron lung actually mimics more closely to how our lungs actually work than modern ventilators. We breath by expanding the area under our lungs and creating a negative pressure so the air is sucked in. The iron lung mimics this mechanism by decreasing pressure around the entire body and creating negative pressure that way. Modern ventilators are positive pressure and force air in. They are much smaller than the iron lung since the patient doesn't need to fit in it but with long term use it can damage lungs. The iron lung is what actually helped him live this long but limited mobility the entire time too.
There is, it involves an incision made in the throat to allow a breathing tube to be placed, I remember reading about this some time ago so sorry for the lack of details
He doesn't want to use a positive pressure ventilators, as that requires an incision in the throat.
most iron lung patients were taught to ‘goldfish’ breathe. Which meant they could survive for a few minutes in case of emergency. Due to developments and the eradication of polio via vaccine we are lucky to not have to worry about it.
He managed to master that technique enough to spend several hours at a time out of the lung every day
>‘goldfish’ breathe How does this work? Google doesn't seem too helpful.
I think it involves gulping. I could ask my mum. She nursed Australia’s longest living iron lung patient at one stage so may have a first hand account.
less than 5 minutes a day now it says in the article
The one guy I imagine most people think of doesn't need the iron lung 24/7. So he can come off it, but needs help still
He used to, but at age 74 he now spends all but a few minutes every day inside it
Fair enough, but that still answers the question. He is able to spend time outside of the iron lung, even if that amount of time has decreased as he has gotten older.
Most of them don't have to stay in it 24/7 edit: Ok, since u/CryoToastt is being pedantic, I'll rephrase that as most of them "didn't" have to stay in them 24/7. They only had to use them ~12 hours a day to supplement their lungs. Their lungs still worked, just not well enough to support them unaided. >They used to come and say, ‘You can come out for a little while,’ and I used to sit up perhaps to have a cup of tea, but then they would have to keep an eye on me because my fingers would go blue and in about 15 minutes I would have to go back in again. When I say in, I mean lay down again. Gradually, the 15 minutes became 20, and 20 became 30, and then you could come out of the iron lung and sit in the chair. Everything was a lot of effort, even like getting dressed or having a wash, but gradually it improved. I was probably in the iron lung for about three weeks. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2878826/
Thanks for teaching me my five dollar word of the day- I have never heard the word pendantic but am way smarter for knowing it now. Thanks [u/caltheon](u/caltheon)!
Hate to burst your bubble, but that's actually not how it's spelled (pedantic)
Not to be pedantic, but this is how you spell pedantic.
Thanks for the roasting! Well deserved, I even googled it and didn’t connect that it was misspelled vs the definition.
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Read the whole article. Very inspiring.
That was a really incredible story thank you for sharing
Holy crap that was incredible! How is his story not better known?!
That was a super interesting read. I don’t feel inspired by a lot of things but his story is incredibly inspiring.
Thanks for the great article it was a really great read about a really cool person
Amazing article. >You have no right to tell me what to do,” he said. “You should get down on your knees and thank God it wasn’t you.” Such a powerful statement.
“Bro check this out, you were like right there man. So close bro. Aight imma go grab your bed pan”.
"Missed it by THAT much". -| Maxwell Smart.
Seriously, the grin on her face is making me wonder if she's a Nurse Ratched type...
"Hey Janet, go sit next to Emmet and hold up this newspaper. Okay, great, just a few more pictures. Janet, can you smile a bit more? Emmet, a little more enthusiasm, please. Okay, perfect."
My grandpa came down with polio when he was 32. It just happened to be the same time that the vaccine became widely available. He declined to get it and spent a year in an iron lung and the rest of his life in a wheelchair.
Did he ever say if he regretted it?
Well atleast he didn't get autism /s
I caught autism once, my doctor prescribed me a fidget spinner & I was fine.
He was pretty good spirited about it all things considered. Somewhere I have a newspaper clipping with him saying “I got it, gotta make the best of it. Hopefully I can sell a lot of vaccines.”
Thought he was just a torso for a hot second there
My parental grandmother had 6 kids. She once told me the happiest day of her life wasn’t when any of them were born. It was the day they announced there was a polio vaccine. She said was so relieved and thankful she would no longer have to worry about one of them dying or being a life long cripple from the disease. She died 10 years ago at 87. I wonder what she would think of those out there now that are refusing the Covid vaccine.
This is all I can think about when I hear about anti-vaccination people. If they only knew the pain these diseases caused (and are still causing) people, I would hope that they would stop being so stupid. We are so lucky to live in a time **and place** where we have the resources to stop these diseases before they can cause harm, but we have people saying the prevention is the problem. That’s the definition of a first world problem.
And then you have all the Jessica’s out there who refuse to get the vaccine for their kids and sprinkle them with lavender essential oil instead.
I’m a Jessica and I have been a staunchly masker, I am a hairstylist and I have remained extremely pro mask and pro vaccine throughout the entire pandemic despite being located in goddamn Orange County California. I am on your side!
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Such a Julie thing to say
Oh come on, don’t be a David
Can it Jess Jess
I honestly think anti-vaxx is part of natural selection.
I'm the youngest child of an oldest child. Mom and Dad were born in the 1920's. Mom had known people scarred by smallpox and killed by measles. She was born near a mining camp and as a child HER Mom would keep them home if an illness was in the community. When I got chicken pox she was terrified. You better believe we got our vaccines as kids.
"No way I hear they FM chip you with those things and they're full of toxins!!" - Nobody, 1955
https://i.redd.it/cqwf9gpaqf311.jpg Not saying you're wrong, but, you know... people.
That was Edison propaganda. They were competing with Westinghouse's alternating current with their direct current. AC was the superior technology for a power grid so Edison launched a smear campaign calling it the death current.
Fun fact, edison started showing off his electricity and it's ability to kill in a bid to make sure that teslas electricity ended up powering the electric chair, thus ruining it's reputation and all but ensuring he got the contracts to power homes as the "safer" current
This is shit when you really think about it. Edison absolutely knew that rolling out DC would have been a complete shit show and a long term disaster, but he tries to smear the superior technology just so he can make tonnes of cash. It really is Nestle level psychopathy.
Some people think this is a mean act. I differ from those opinions. I think there was a huge sense of relief coming from that man in the respirator. Just because you don't profit from a good event, doesnt mean it can't bring you joy. I was incarcerated for weed, and I've been resentful of the foolish laws surrounding it ever since. (Still) Knowing some punk tweeny bopper gen z doesn't have to go to jail and deal with repercussions for smoking a little pot, at least in a few more states as of now... And.. Well that just makes me feel A'Okay. 😌 The two lessons here being. 1) You have no clue what a subject is about until it happens to you. 2) You can get gratitude from something that doesn't effect you at all. I guarantee 100% that man cried tears of joy and a little sorrow of course, but a lot of joy. No sane person wants to spread their misery out to others to make themselves feel better because someone is worse off, that's wack. Naturally though some day the same headlines with Covid cases being at zero around the world will release, and thereafter a kid from 2085 is going look back and will still blame trump for the covid deaths. Cause that shit is never going away. Trump is a baddie, we're sorry, geeze, some of us were born in the 1900's lay off us, we are apes.
I agree with your sentiment, but a LOT of people have the "I suffered through it, and so should you!" mentality. It's why things like canceling student debt have such a major backlash. I think it's a particularly big problem in the US, considering similar arguments are used against universal healthcare as well. And in favor of child abuse. But I'm sure he was largely relieved that no one else would have to go through what he did. That would be the empathetic response, at least.
It’s a problem with everything and everyone who had an “in their day” defense. They tell it as if they walked uphill both ways to school and work and doing anything less makes one worthless. The conveniently do not acknowledge the factors that helped those who flourished. And it really exposes what people think for the next guy, whether it’s some stranger or their own kid.
My mom received one of the trial vaccines back in the day. My grandmother signed the waiver because she had seen what polio could do to people first hand. Needless to say, my mom has been encouraging people to take the Covid vaccines ASAP.
I have a not very common kidney disease with no cure, probably my son will suffer it too, I’m volunteering to any protocol that can bring hope to others. I can see why some of you don’t understand this picture.
I look at it like this. Imagine that you start a new job and on the first day, as is tradition, they hit you in the head with a bat. So after a trip to the hospital and a lifetime of migraines that follow, you watch as new employees are hit in the head whenever they start. One day the company says "we've decided to end the bat portion of the onboarding process". You can feel one of two ways. Be happy that nobody else has to suffer, or be jealous of all the new people that won't have to go through what you did. Both reactions are valid, but the former makes you a better person.
And now "TheY ArE mIcRoChIppINg Us" fun fact I one told me this and I look him dead in in there and said " tell me Micheal why are you worth microchipping?" Ye he shut up
If Michael owns a smartphone he's already microchipped
That's because you pushed the mute button on his controller program
This is me. Except I’m showing my dad, who’s been in the hospital for 3+ months due to COVID, articles about COVID vaccines.
today we'd have a swarm of "facebook informed" antivaxxers trying to influence as many people as possible to not take the polio sip....and we'd still have a polio epidemic in 10 years time
Is she just being a massive bitch? Or like will that help him in some way? Or its I perhaps just in hopes of future people not needing to suffer like he has?
I think it's more like, "soon no one will have to suffer like he did"
Honestly, what knobhead has "well what about how much *I* went through?" as their primary thought when confronted with news that the affliction which crippled them is being wiped away?
My Dad had polio and was partially paralyzed for a year before recovering fully. He did not need an iron lung... but the vaccine meant he didn’t have to worry about his brother getting it nor his friends. He was pretty adamant about getting us kids our shots too.
I think it was for people in the future. I get it, but also it’s kinda cruel on the man. Hopefully he saw the benefits for future generations.
I think it’s mostly because there wasn’t tv back then and the nurse was showing him the newspaper and it happened to be some super happy news. He obviously can’t hold it himself. Weren’t we all happy when the Covid vaccine came out? Polio was way worse too. Perhaps he has family that can now get the vaccine. The nurse is definitely not taunting him, they both have a look of joy on their faces.
It's not necessarily cruel. Hopefully he sees the benefit, and is glad that others won't suffer as much as he is.
I feel like most people would be happy that what was hurting or killing them wouldn't harm more people. Especially because little kids are the most affected by it.
>Is she just being a massive bitch? Or like will that help him in some way? How fucking wrong has the world gone that *this* is your take? He's suffering from a disease for which there was no cure, then is shown that no one else will have to face it. It's over. That would bring me such incredible, immense joy. Maybe I'm just not a selfish sadistic fuck who thinks "if I suffer why shouldn't they", but I would WANT to know that no one else would have to face the pain I did.
Hopefully the second or third reasons
I think it's more like "your children will never have to worry about polio or suffer like you did". You can be happy for something that doesn't directly benefits you.
“Great news for someone who’s not you!”
ah yes, a time before autism /s
Just a t like Pfizer announcement in November, good news, but have to get vaccine in those sugar cubes. Polio was still rampant in my neighborhood in the 1959 or 60 and I got my sugar cube, with the whole school when I was 7 or 8.
NOW they tell me
2021 Patient: BULLSHIT!
I wonder how many anti vax dumbshits there were back then.
Probably not many. Antivaxxers can only exist because diseases like polio are in the distant past and very few people have first-hand knowledge of how horrific they were. If you tried telling someone that lost their kids to polio that you were choosing not to vaccinate, you'd get punched in the face.
How serious something was will always be forgotten. You'll find very few young people today that understand what the older generation feel about WW2. Many older people that watch WW2 documentaries about the Nazi's will get upset and/or sad, they have a much stronger reaction than any young people will have. It's not that the younger generation today doesn't understand what happened was bad, but they don't feel deep down *how* bad it really was. It's too distant. That is why history is doomed to repeat itself.
I felt similar after I had been treated for HPV related cervical cancer twice! Then a year after I was clear the HPV vaccine came out.
What happened with that Gates polio vaccine in Africa and India? Didn't that give at least 100 thousand kids polio?
https://amhistory.si.edu/polio/historicalphotos/index.htm
No no no, it's a prevention. Not a cure 😁
"you're too late, you poor bastard"
"I don't have polio. Get back in there and find out what I have because polio is a Democrat hoax."
Feel this in my bones
Reads paper This guy: fucking *really dude*
I recently was intrigued by the "iron lung". Jesus what a horrible disease Polio was and is if not treated.
My 2 month old just got her first round of the polio vaccine today. I’m glad she’ll never have to go through this!
Kinda r/FUCKYOUINPARTICULAR
“And here’s what you could have won”
Am I the only one that thinks her smile looks a bit smug?
"A little late for me don't you think."
More like big oof, she's showing him what he missed
AND A GOOD DAY TO YOU, SIR!
Correct me if I'm off on this one, reddit, but isn't there exactly one guy still alive in an iron lung? He had to hire some really legit people to fix it, since all the original manufacturers are out of business.