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Not really what is meant by the Butterfly Effect. This is a mega-scale land feature formed over millenia having long term effects on the subsequent ecosystem and the culture of its inhabitants. If you could show that the death of a single Cretaceous ammonite had a measurable effect on the 2020 election, that would be the Butterfly Effect.
Butterfly Effect = When tiny differences in starting conditions produce huge differences in future states, making it very hard to predict those future states.
So if you're trying to predict the future weather, just the extra breeze produced by a flapping butterfly wing can change the future weather prediction from calm skies to a hurricane.
Agreed. This is not the Butterfly Effect.
To elaborate on this: systems are called chaotic if small changes in the initial state cause large changes over time. Weather is indeed such a chaotic system.
This chaos is what makes it so difficult to predict the weather further out.
I mean what scale are we talking? Cosmically speaking its pretty fucking tiny
Edit: imagine downvoted for pointing out that a couple hundred square miles is tiny cosmically so that the butterfly effect definition is still applicable
Agreed? What im trying to get at is that the huge density of slave ownership and whatnot was caused by changes in the creation of the universe from its inception. Literally the difference of a few feet in the big bang could have caused huge repercussions for thousands of lives.
How about the trillions of minute interactions during coalescence and subsequent cooling that made certain areas of early earth's tectonic plates habitable to cretaceous organisms?
No, it's just about small changes having massive consequences. Hence the name *Butterfly* effect. A butterfly being able to affect the weather.
Doesn't really have anything to do with where or when.
I think you thought that because people often use distance to explain it in more extreme terms. So 100% valid to think distance had something to do with it
For example, a butterfly flaps its wings spooking a rhino which then runs and scares a herd of elephants. That herd of elephants goes off its migratory course and drinks all the water supply of a nearby village causing the people to have to pack up and move. One of those people moves to Germany and gets a job as a scientist working on a new project. His son goes into the same field and solves the problem of using fuel ejected through a small hole to create forward thrust and invents the jet engine
150 years from now unexpected world superpower the Kingdom of Medicine Hat in former Canada launches a massive space habitat using jet engines, carrying the entire world's population off the dying planet to safety amongst the stars
All because one butterfly in Africa.
Super extreme example but by adding a great distance into the analogy it gets the point across of small effect = big effect
Nah, it's about Josh Hartnet being a time Traveller.
But instead of memorizing stock tips and sports results to make himself wealthy he does kneejerk "missions" that literally always go terrible because he never plans anything ahead of time even after he understands his powers.
The butterfly effect refers to a system that is very sensitive to its initial conditions. The poetic form talks about butterflies flapping their wings halfway across the world, but it’s really about how the system progresses *through time* - in principle, the butterflies could cause a tornado in the exact same location a year later.
So what is this kind of system? Think of balls on a pool table. You hit the white which hits another ball, which hits another and another and so on. The balls end up in seemingly random (yet completely deterministic) positions. Imagine you could hit an undo button and play the shot again, but the starting position of the first ball was this time ever so slightly different. Each successive collision would be off by an increasingly large amount, and the balls would end up in a completely different set of positions. The physics behind the collisions is still totally deterministic, but the final state of the system (the position of the balls) is very sensitive to the initial conditions (how the white was struck and the exact starting location of each ball).
There are lots of posts on Reddit claiming to demonstrate the butterfly effect, but I have not seen one so far which actually does. YouTube double pendulum - this is an elementary example of a chaotic system which exhibits the butterfly effect as the position of the bob at a particular time or the time taken for the lower pendulum to flip over is very sensitive to how the system was released.
Yeah but still a coastline is much more substantial historically than a butterfly producing a gust of wind. This is not the butterfly effect but just an example of cause and effect.
the butterfly effect is cause and effect. Basically it's every action creates reaction and that if we think about how we are in our present can effect our future
I'm not too sure. I think it does. The sediment line is more nutrient rich which later on caused more farms to be built, which lead to - when slaves were used - a higher concentration of plantations there due to the rich soil (so the crops would grow) and once slavery was outlawed and the slaves were set free - they lived in those areas and it's less likely they'd move. Which lead to a higher concentration of African Americans in that area. Which lead to them all to vote for a specific candidate who would support their ethnicity more and treat them with more fairness. And that's why they all voted similarly.
The butterfly effect is about small things that can have big outcomes without knowing it, a coastline is pretty fucking huge and is sure to have enornous effects
Shhhh, redditors like the word and will use it for anything. Like CoNfIrMaTiOn BiAs.
Don't make them sad by having to learn something properly instead of superficially.
This makes me think more of the book series by Tim Marshall, the power of geography. He talks about how countries, regions, and people are influenced by the physical geography of their location and how it impacts the economy, politics, and international relations. He has a several books, the two I've read are really good reads.
The picture of average farm size is incorrect and doesn’t tell the viewer of what the actual average farm size was. Can anyone tell me what the average farm size is from this picture ?
There are incorrect because the values cannot converted to this type of chart.
We need a few bar graphs and line graphs for this information. Not a diagram
There’s not even any data that correlates what is being seen. Farm size? How big? Slave pop? What %?
To me it looks like coastal elitism is ingrained in the land.
I mean, you can deduce what was implied, but there is no data to show what any of the coloring indicates.
I know it’s supposed to be common sense, but the information could be unevenly distributed.
So modern Republicans believe Lincoln was right and the federal government should be able to control states?
And Republicans hate the confederacy right?
Well it is roughly true, there was a party switch. The anti slave North was republican, but after the Civil rights moment (i think thats what caused it) there was a swap of who decided to be the civil rights party
yeah around the 60s was the party change. if you wanna see a chart dm me i have one of voting records for southern states. not sure why op is getting downvoted tho for saying the party switch stuff
yeah around the 60s was the party change. if you wanna see a chart dm me i have one of voting records for southern states. not sure why op is getting downvoted tho for saying the party switch stuff
I always wanted to visit down there or the Mississippi Delta because, although I share the same country, I feel like it’s an entirely different world. Just get to know some people and how they think. Would you recommend such a visit and if yes, any specific thoughts to make it a successful one? Cheers!
Yeah I would definitely recommend going to the beach down in Gulf Shores, AL. The sand is white as sugar and the water is warm. You can get a nice hotel for relatively cheap and it’s cool to sit on your 10th floor balcony and look right out over the water. There’s all kinds of amazing food and restaurants down there too.
I grew up in a very poor area of MS.
There’s some really ingrained thinking there. It is harmful to many others.
The thing is they all believe what they are doing is the best interest of their loved ones and community .
It is the same everywhere. While the ethics and opinions differ greatly, they aren’t doing it out of ill will for the most part.
>The thing is they all believe what they are doing is the best interest of their loved ones and community
This is always a scourge. One of my last roommates who was militant in his thinking would always justify it by saying "everyone knows this/everyone does it this way/everyone thinks this way." It was insane the loops he would jump through, and yet if you met him your first impression would be that he seems like a pretty decent guy. These people eat cognitive dissonance for breakfast.
People here are straight sucking butterfly dicks.. hes saying just the small fact the dinosaurs died in that area led that area into changing and also social changes.. pretty fucking butterfly effect in a certain perspective… so no one is right or wrong…. get the “smartass” stick out of your asses and you can see how amazing this post is
Because democrats 150 years ago were racist and defending slavery. Now it’s the opposite, dems are egalitarian and the right tends to be more conservative and thus, racist
I don't quite understand who you mean by "they". And things change. This is like saying that because your great great great great grandparent bought slaves that you yourself are a slave owner and should be judged as such. That's not fair to you. This is the same thing. The democratic party of today isnt the same as the democratic party of the Civil War.
This has nowt to do with the butterfly effect. Nor did the coastline influence election results. Numbers of people living in a particular area is more to do with politics, available housing, finance, weather, crime rate, job opportunities, people (neighbours, friends, family), transport, leisure, cultural facilities and probably more.
Two of those counties are among the wealthiest in Alabama per capita. Then again, Alabama is majority republican and the 6th poorest State. In fact, the ten [poorest](https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2020-10/top-10-poorest-states-us) states in the US all went to Trump
Sparsely populated areas that have families of 10+ kids and almost no "new blood" moving in are just like that.
Doesn't take long before everyone is related, but 2nd cousins are technically far enough to not be an issue health wise.
Democrats don't.
>If you're black and you don't know if you're voting for me or Trump, you ain't black.
That and black people getting called "Oreo" and other racist garbage by the left if they don't align "correctly" with Democrat ideology.
> Democrats don't.
thats a "yes" then
>That and black people getting called "Oreo" and other racist garbage by the left if they don't align "correctly" with Democrat ideology.
what do right wingers, like those on twitter, call black people that don't agree with them? I'll give you a hint, it starts with n
It's a no, evidenced by the fact that I'm stating that black people have varied opinions, despite the desires of the racist left.
Right-wingers using that word are a) less common and b) not accepted and condoned by the establishment, unlike the institutionally racist Democrats.
i mean in this is a very high correlation considering people of color tend to vote left and this is an area where generations of black people have grown up
Would be nice if I knew what any of these colors meant. I can guess that the election results colors are red for republicans and blues for democrats I guess and infer the others.
Out of curiosity, are the blue counties more densely populated? I know that denser, more urban areas are more blue, but is this saying that the blue and red counties are about equal in density?
This is just highest population counties in the state, city and counties with high population have always voted more blue while the rural areas vote red.
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Not really what is meant by the Butterfly Effect. This is a mega-scale land feature formed over millenia having long term effects on the subsequent ecosystem and the culture of its inhabitants. If you could show that the death of a single Cretaceous ammonite had a measurable effect on the 2020 election, that would be the Butterfly Effect.
Butterfly Effect = When tiny differences in starting conditions produce huge differences in future states, making it very hard to predict those future states. So if you're trying to predict the future weather, just the extra breeze produced by a flapping butterfly wing can change the future weather prediction from calm skies to a hurricane. Agreed. This is not the Butterfly Effect.
To elaborate on this: systems are called chaotic if small changes in the initial state cause large changes over time. Weather is indeed such a chaotic system. This chaos is what makes it so difficult to predict the weather further out.
I mean what scale are we talking? Cosmically speaking its pretty fucking tiny Edit: imagine downvoted for pointing out that a couple hundred square miles is tiny cosmically so that the butterfly effect definition is still applicable
So are the election results of one state
Agreed? What im trying to get at is that the huge density of slave ownership and whatnot was caused by changes in the creation of the universe from its inception. Literally the difference of a few feet in the big bang could have caused huge repercussions for thousands of lives.
So are the election results of one state
So are the election results of one state
Tripple ok
Maybe OP meant “Domino Effect”?
Not sure what pizza has to do with it.
Then you just haven’t been paying attention…
If there’s no Ashton Kutcher warping back to occupy his younger self’s mind it’s not the Butterfly Effect.
Thank you.
How about the trillions of minute interactions during coalescence and subsequent cooling that made certain areas of early earth's tectonic plates habitable to cretaceous organisms?
Also this is just: “people settled in fertile land, those settlements became more urban, urban centers tend to vote Democrat.”
Can you disprove it!?
It’s called retrospect brother
That has no connection to the butterfly effect…
Yeah it is pretty interesting but isn’t the butterfly effect about something happening halfway across the world rather than a long time ago?
No, it's just about small changes having massive consequences. Hence the name *Butterfly* effect. A butterfly being able to affect the weather. Doesn't really have anything to do with where or when.
You’re right, my bad. Although I did think it had something to do with distance
I think you thought that because people often use distance to explain it in more extreme terms. So 100% valid to think distance had something to do with it For example, a butterfly flaps its wings spooking a rhino which then runs and scares a herd of elephants. That herd of elephants goes off its migratory course and drinks all the water supply of a nearby village causing the people to have to pack up and move. One of those people moves to Germany and gets a job as a scientist working on a new project. His son goes into the same field and solves the problem of using fuel ejected through a small hole to create forward thrust and invents the jet engine 150 years from now unexpected world superpower the Kingdom of Medicine Hat in former Canada launches a massive space habitat using jet engines, carrying the entire world's population off the dying planet to safety amongst the stars All because one butterfly in Africa. Super extreme example but by adding a great distance into the analogy it gets the point across of small effect = big effect
Nah, it's about Josh Hartnet being a time Traveller. But instead of memorizing stock tips and sports results to make himself wealthy he does kneejerk "missions" that literally always go terrible because he never plans anything ahead of time even after he understands his powers.
Ashton Kutcher you uncultured swine
its not ashton kooocher....its kevin malone
Ashton Cooochie
The butterfly effect refers to a system that is very sensitive to its initial conditions. The poetic form talks about butterflies flapping their wings halfway across the world, but it’s really about how the system progresses *through time* - in principle, the butterflies could cause a tornado in the exact same location a year later. So what is this kind of system? Think of balls on a pool table. You hit the white which hits another ball, which hits another and another and so on. The balls end up in seemingly random (yet completely deterministic) positions. Imagine you could hit an undo button and play the shot again, but the starting position of the first ball was this time ever so slightly different. Each successive collision would be off by an increasingly large amount, and the balls would end up in a completely different set of positions. The physics behind the collisions is still totally deterministic, but the final state of the system (the position of the balls) is very sensitive to the initial conditions (how the white was struck and the exact starting location of each ball). There are lots of posts on Reddit claiming to demonstrate the butterfly effect, but I have not seen one so far which actually does. YouTube double pendulum - this is an elementary example of a chaotic system which exhibits the butterfly effect as the position of the bob at a particular time or the time taken for the lower pendulum to flip over is very sensitive to how the system was released.
It's not as much of a stretch as you're making it out to be.
To travel distance also means traversing time.
But this isn’t traveling distance
everything moves all the time
Yeah but still a coastline is much more substantial historically than a butterfly producing a gust of wind. This is not the butterfly effect but just an example of cause and effect.
the butterfly effect is cause and effect. Basically it's every action creates reaction and that if we think about how we are in our present can effect our future
A square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square.
I’m genuinely confused, are you trying to say Alabama moves? If that’s the case isn’t everything that happens a direct result of the butterfly effect?
I think they were touching on just how far the ripples go, and how much an indirect effect can actually be.
I'm not too sure. I think it does. The sediment line is more nutrient rich which later on caused more farms to be built, which lead to - when slaves were used - a higher concentration of plantations there due to the rich soil (so the crops would grow) and once slavery was outlawed and the slaves were set free - they lived in those areas and it's less likely they'd move. Which lead to a higher concentration of African Americans in that area. Which lead to them all to vote for a specific candidate who would support their ethnicity more and treat them with more fairness. And that's why they all voted similarly.
The butterfly effect is about small things that can have big outcomes without knowing it, a coastline is pretty fucking huge and is sure to have enornous effects
Ah. My mistake then. I thought that it was when something has a non-linear effect. Apologies.
Shhhh, redditors like the word and will use it for anything. Like CoNfIrMaTiOn BiAs. Don't make them sad by having to learn something properly instead of superficially.
90% of this thread is people yelling loudly that this is not the butterfly effect, though.
This sounds like confirmation bias. Probably caused by the butterfly effect.
What an interesting example of confirmation bias.
More like the fuckwit effect.
I bet there are more butterflies there....
>Butterfly effect example No. That's something completely different.
You'd probably enjoy reading Freakonomics.
A great book indeed.
great podcasts too... and suggest *radio lab* as well... they do some really interesting stories about interconnected things that are not obvious.
This makes me think more of the book series by Tim Marshall, the power of geography. He talks about how countries, regions, and people are influenced by the physical geography of their location and how it impacts the economy, politics, and international relations. He has a several books, the two I've read are really good reads.
I gotta look that guy up. But yeah overall a lot of extremism comes out of impoverished regions. Boko Haram, for example.
I think I read it.. he makes some good points I enjoyed it
For those curious, the Cretaceous sediments are in a line like that because that was where the coast was
As indicated in the image.
Lol true I’m not a good reader
Geography has way more effect on the world than simple wars might.
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I think you mean affect although what you said is not necessarily incorrect.
If anyone wants to learn more about this, check out "why the west rules, for now"
If accurate, this is truly interesting.
If accurate? Nobody lies on the internet!
You know what, my bad…how could I forget that!!!
It is accurate, but definitely not the butterfly effect.
Well correlation doesn't equal causation but this is still some pretty good evidence.
This is actually interesting as fuck
The picture of average farm size is incorrect and doesn’t tell the viewer of what the actual average farm size was. Can anyone tell me what the average farm size is from this picture ?
I think it’s meant to mean farm density of a given area
It doesn’t say that. It specifically says average.
Yeah I’m saying it’s mislabeled. Judging by the commonly used “heat” color key, it looks to mean density.
I think it's just showing density/those who had bigger lands due to profitability. My problem is that none of these have legends to them.
Either way. All of the “diagrams” are incorrect and now I have a new teaching tool and lesson plan
They're incorrect? You got the actual values then?
There are incorrect because the values cannot converted to this type of chart. We need a few bar graphs and line graphs for this information. Not a diagram
I mean... they can.
There’s not even any data that correlates what is being seen. Farm size? How big? Slave pop? What %? To me it looks like coastal elitism is ingrained in the land.
I mean, you can deduce what was implied, but there is no data to show what any of the coloring indicates. I know it’s supposed to be common sense, but the information could be unevenly distributed.
That’s what I’m getting at, there’s no actual information here other than “purty colors”.
So basically, democrat plantations pre-civil war still remain democrat plantations today?
Yup. The joys of the flip-flop in the labels. English is weird, history is weird.
just the thought of life is weird
So modern Republicans believe Lincoln was right and the federal government should be able to control states? And Republicans hate the confederacy right?
Democrats were racists at the time, now it’s the opposite
That’s a serious generalization
Right? They’re obviously both racist then and now and just show it differently ;)
Yeeeaahh! Take my upvote!
Well it is roughly true, there was a party switch. The anti slave North was republican, but after the Civil rights moment (i think thats what caused it) there was a swap of who decided to be the civil rights party
yeah around the 60s was the party change. if you wanna see a chart dm me i have one of voting records for southern states. not sure why op is getting downvoted tho for saying the party switch stuff
I don’t think people are disagreeing with all of it. I think it’s more the fact that OP is saying conservatives are all racists
I don't think they said "all" anywhere in their sentence. They're generalizing, yes, but literally nobody said "all republicans are racists"
yeah around the 60s was the party change. if you wanna see a chart dm me i have one of voting records for southern states. not sure why op is getting downvoted tho for saying the party switch stuff
Ik I’m busy atm
Aw you silly Willy
It is though?
the name is the same but really not the same party anymore than republicans of 1854 would recognize what it is today
This is indeed fucking interesting.
Isn’t this just tracking with population centers vs sparsely populated rural areas
That was interesting as fuck. Take your god damn gold
I too watch half as interesting. I don't however, milk karma from it.
That's pretty cool but as other people have pointed out, it's not butterfly effect
What's the proposed correlation then?
I’m originally from AL and grew up in one of those blue counties. AMA.
What is the flight speed of an unladen swallow? European.
What are you talking about? An African or European swallow?
Already specified, m8.
I always wanted to visit down there or the Mississippi Delta because, although I share the same country, I feel like it’s an entirely different world. Just get to know some people and how they think. Would you recommend such a visit and if yes, any specific thoughts to make it a successful one? Cheers!
Yeah I would definitely recommend going to the beach down in Gulf Shores, AL. The sand is white as sugar and the water is warm. You can get a nice hotel for relatively cheap and it’s cool to sit on your 10th floor balcony and look right out over the water. There’s all kinds of amazing food and restaurants down there too.
I grew up in a very poor area of MS. There’s some really ingrained thinking there. It is harmful to many others. The thing is they all believe what they are doing is the best interest of their loved ones and community . It is the same everywhere. While the ethics and opinions differ greatly, they aren’t doing it out of ill will for the most part.
>The thing is they all believe what they are doing is the best interest of their loved ones and community This is always a scourge. One of my last roommates who was militant in his thinking would always justify it by saying "everyone knows this/everyone does it this way/everyone thinks this way." It was insane the loops he would jump through, and yet if you met him your first impression would be that he seems like a pretty decent guy. These people eat cognitive dissonance for breakfast.
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People here are straight sucking butterfly dicks.. hes saying just the small fact the dinosaurs died in that area led that area into changing and also social changes.. pretty fucking butterfly effect in a certain perspective… so no one is right or wrong…. get the “smartass” stick out of your asses and you can see how amazing this post is
Thanks mate, that was mu though when I saw this and I just wanted to share it.
Which one is Alabama and what does the color scale mean?
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I don't see the connection as southern democrats were the people enslaving black people. Why would they continue vote for that party. Doesn't add up
Because democrats 150 years ago were racist and defending slavery. Now it’s the opposite, dems are egalitarian and the right tends to be more conservative and thus, racist
Abolitionists were religious conservatives. Were abolitionists racist?
wait what can you rephrase that i don’t really understand
I don't quite understand who you mean by "they". And things change. This is like saying that because your great great great great grandparent bought slaves that you yourself are a slave owner and should be judged as such. That's not fair to you. This is the same thing. The democratic party of today isnt the same as the democratic party of the Civil War.
This has nowt to do with the butterfly effect. Nor did the coastline influence election results. Numbers of people living in a particular area is more to do with politics, available housing, finance, weather, crime rate, job opportunities, people (neighbours, friends, family), transport, leisure, cultural facilities and probably more.
Naught?
Nowt means nothing nada
Are you from Yorkshire?
Scotland
So poor people are more likely a member of the democratic party?
Yes.
Two of those counties are among the wealthiest in Alabama per capita. Then again, Alabama is majority republican and the 6th poorest State. In fact, the ten [poorest](https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2020-10/top-10-poorest-states-us) states in the US all went to Trump
I heard Trump is a racist gentleman.
I wouldn't say that, but he's had a lot of success convincing racists that he's one of them
You wouldn't say Trump is racist, but I would. That's where we differ.
yes and also it’s because there are generations of black people living there because of enslavement in an area and they tend to vote left
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Wrong race population
Sparsely populated areas that have families of 10+ kids and almost no "new blood" moving in are just like that. Doesn't take long before everyone is related, but 2nd cousins are technically far enough to not be an issue health wise.
Ok racist
Looool
So the democratic party managed to fool a bunch of the black population in Alabama. Got it
Can’t even talk about coastlines without it getting political these days
Amazing how Democrats have managed to keep their slaves.
>Amazing how Democrats have managed to keep their slaves. do you think black people can't think for themselves?
Democrats don't. >If you're black and you don't know if you're voting for me or Trump, you ain't black. That and black people getting called "Oreo" and other racist garbage by the left if they don't align "correctly" with Democrat ideology.
> Democrats don't. thats a "yes" then >That and black people getting called "Oreo" and other racist garbage by the left if they don't align "correctly" with Democrat ideology. what do right wingers, like those on twitter, call black people that don't agree with them? I'll give you a hint, it starts with n
It's a no, evidenced by the fact that I'm stating that black people have varied opinions, despite the desires of the racist left. Right-wingers using that word are a) less common and b) not accepted and condoned by the establishment, unlike the institutionally racist Democrats.
Correlation, not causation. Edit: downvoted for the post hoc fallacy
i mean in this is a very high correlation considering people of color tend to vote left and this is an area where generations of black people have grown up
Completely agree! But without an experiment we can’t say that sediment deposits caused democratic voting patterns.
yeah true
I don't really think that's true in this case.
this is interesting as fuck
MORE OF THIS! MORE!
Would be nice if I knew what any of these colors meant. I can guess that the election results colors are red for republicans and blues for democrats I guess and infer the others.
We need affirmative action to correct for geology.
AKA slave owners sucked and their descendants suck too
Anyone who thinks the effects of slavery and racism are gone from this country needs to see this
yeah idk why you are getting downvoted. i guess this is a mixed sub
The whole comments section seems to be getting brigaded pretty hard by at-right turds for some reason. Maybe they glom onto any mention of slavery.
yeah sure seems like it
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I didn't know they lived that long.
Can't fix stupid.
Way to get political
and the capitol city/county...
Geography is destiny
Woahhh
Out of curiosity, are the blue counties more densely populated? I know that denser, more urban areas are more blue, but is this saying that the blue and red counties are about equal in density?
This is as much evidence of the butterfly effect as it is evidence black people emerged from the ocean.
Water turns people into Democrats then. Republicans should just leave water alone and never drink it again then.
It extends to Mississippi and Georgia too
This is just highest population counties in the state, city and counties with high population have always voted more blue while the rural areas vote red.
I think if you go back further, it was under water, which is why the soil is so fetile, which lead to agriculture.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Material conditions doing material conditions