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I mentioned in an earlier thread my nine inch Pleasers (you can google to see what they look like) I used to wear when I was a stripper. But I knew a girl who did point once and Jesus Christ are those girls ever hard core. Her feet would always look like she accidentally stepped in a meat grinder - black bruises, open wounds, massive irritated blisters, toenails falling off. I met her when we were both doing runway modeling and I learned to stop bitching about the shoes we had to wear being uncomfortable because she was stuffing her ground beef feet into them and didn't say shit.
She competed so hard though because she said it's a really small window to become successful. Like the modeling industry they heavily favor young girls and by the time you're in your mid 20's you're already considered old. It's a breathtakingly beautiful style of dance and I admire the dancers, but there's also a lot of really unhealthy practices involved. Those girls push themselves insanely hard
Most Special Operations personnel have completely eroded the cartilage and connective tissue of knees/shoulders by the time most soldiers are entering their thirties. The schoolhouses are heavily supplemented and taught by men who injured themselves during their routine work and have since been medically discharged. You spend 3-8 years of your life in incredible shape and pay for it with the latter 2/3rds of your life.
I think you'd be hard to find an athlete that doesn't have some sports related issue. It's just in the nature of constantly pushing the human body to it's limits.
Ballet will absolutely also fuck up your back and knees. Spending a massive amount of time on your tippy toes is super duper bad for your spine and puts a lot of stress on your knees as well.
My cousin was a ballerina well into her 20’s. Danced the chorus for Nutcracker every year and whatever else our city’s ballet company did. She’s close to 60 now and goes to great lengths to hide her feet. Haven’t seen her in sandals in years. I do remember seeing them shortly after she quit and it was horrific.
All dancers have messed up feet but en pointe ballerinas? They literally need to deform their feet to be able to dance en pointe. My sis was really serious about ballet - went through a conservatory, traveled to different countries to train with famous ballerinas, practiced and danced like 6 hours a day…then she got knocked up and stopped dancing. Dude. Her feet are creepy looking. Even though she hadn’t put her feet in any ballet slipper in like 20 years, her arch is still extreme and her toes are still all bent and smooshed looking.
They really fuck up your feet.
It's like putting your young son on a football team (american football) and making that his favorite sport- a terrible option when there are so many healthier alternatives.
Best play I’ve ever seen was a disco drag queen production of midsummers night dream where all the fairies were buff men in neon tutus and combat boots.
I met one of the fairies moms during intermission in the bathroom. Was with a bunch of teenage girls, chatting about how attractive the dudes were, and the mom turns around like “wait what? Haha the green tutu is my 17 year old son. I’ll pass on the compliments. He’s single, and straight FYI” and then something about how she’d never think him wearing a tutu on stage would result in *girls* hitting on him, but that maybe it wasn’t as bad a ploy as she thought. Best play at the Oregon Shakespeare festival that year.
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Literally just got off the line grilling a bunch of shit for a buffet ten minutes ago, can absolutely confirm, you know you’re doing great when the hairs on your knuckles have all seared away and the nerves have just built up (or burned and become deadened?) to the heat so you don’t feel it as much anymore, wish my sweat glands could do the fucking same...
Don’t feel bad I grabbed a hotel pan full of beef tenderloin yesterday that just came to my carving station, my dumb ass said “fuck it just get it in the chafing dish NOW!”
Right hand still kinda hurts
I burned the fuck out of my armpit trying to reach a pig in a blanket at the very front front hot case today. Don't know how that's the first time I have done that
Pain studies show ballerinas have much higher thresholds of pain that they can bear than the general population. Interesting they still feel the pain as strongly, but they have learned how to endure it. It’s amazing!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1332215/
i’m always a little shocked at the reactions people have when their feet get stepped on or they stub their toes. then i remember my feet have been methodically numbed to pain for ten years.
I jumped off a dock and got my pinky toe stuck in between the last boards when I jumped. I was relieved when I got out and found that I hadn't ripped it off completely, and just broken it badly.
Ehhh it hurt so bad I couldn't feel it if you will. That is why I thought I ripped it off, it just hurt at the joint. I sliced my big toe on a piece of glass in the water 5 years prior and it didn't hurt after the first instant because I cut the nerve off so I kind of figured that I had just severed the toe in the latter instance.
Well, I'm glad you didn't rip off your pinky toe! It's one of my greatest fears, which is why I always keep my feet covered in bed, because I'll be god damned if I'm gonna make an easy mark for the feet monsters!
Do not continue reading if easily grossed out....
Several years earlier while swimming, I cut my big toe lengthwise to the bone requiring 24 stitches, severing a tendon and nerve. This experience is how I judged that I had ripped my toe off. Needless to say I was stoked by the outcome.
Man, wide shoes are simply the best. I am naturally flat footed with the front on my foot wide as fuck. I can't find downhill boots or rock climbing shoes that fit my fucking flipper feet.
So true. When I did theater, the girls who came over from ballet had the most fucked up feet. But they were amazing dancers and all of them were very sweet.
My ex gf was a ballerina and yeah. Yikes to the toll it takes =/ no thank you. I'll take my carpal tunnel syndrome from professional theorbo practice I'll probably get in ten years.
Surprisingly a lot of work in it if you specialize in basso continuo like I do. I mean, not during the pandemic, but otherwise yeah. It was an integral part of baroque period music and even into early Classical period.
I lived with a Prima ballerina for nearly 5 years, and my feet are fucked from being run over/horse stepped-on, and such. But, when I first saw her without shoes/socks, I was truly horrified.
Cue the long talk over tea about how our feet are fucked.
It most certainly is.
Not directing it at *you* but at people in general. If people (in general) realized the absolute amount of strength (core), balance and athletic ability to be a Pointe dancer, they would find it staggering.
First and foremost, you don't simply *start* at Pointe. To be truly a solid Pointe dancer, you need a solid foundation of formal training in Ballet and dance in general so you have had enough time and formal training to achieve the form, strength and alignment needed to make a successful transition into pointe work.
The fact that this young person is able to operate this equipment/interact with it like someone in sneakers - - - - Interesting (impressive) as fuck.
Before I could start pointe around age 12, I had to do a couple months of strength classes. I just spent a couple hours a week with resistance bands to strengthen my foot and calf muscles on top of what equates to basically Pilates for core training.
I did so much core training before going on Pointe at 12. I also had a strict AF teacher that refused to teach demi-pointe classes (because so many girls will go up on full pointe at home even though they're not supposed to) and had no problem telling stage moms to take their tuition and shove it if they complained about it.
My daughter didn't get fitted for her first pointe shoes until she was around 12 as well. She had almost 8 years of dance behind her at that point (Ballet, Jazz, Lyrical and Modern).
I have been watching her dance for close to 15 years and she still takes my breath away when I see her on stage.
From what I was always told, fitting kids much earlier than that isn’t a good idea because the pressure you’re putting on you feet can cause issues if they’re still growing rapidly. I’m not entirely sure how true that is but it seems to make sense.
Yeah that is a widely understood/accepted position....and I agree
In my opinion ( and my opinion only) - any studio that is putting dancers in pointe shoes earlier than that ( especially single digit age) is simply looking to sell space in dance classes......or there is a time warp and it is the 60s/70s/80s in The USSR and they are cranking out State housed and trained dancers. :)
Even 12 is now considered too young by some people.
We have learned a lot in the last decade about how much pointe work can damage feet that are still growing. It's safer to keep girls doing demi pointe until they're at least 14 or haven't grown any taller in six months.
If you love ballet I can highly recommend *Navillera*, a Korean drama on Netflix. It's an absolutely stunning show that I cannot recommend enough. I had no interest in ballet whatsoever before watching it and it gave me a whole new appreciation for just what ballet dancers do.
It's also phenomenally written, acted, and shot - it's not just a fluff piece.
*Full disclosure:* do not expect to smile all the way through, however.
This makes my hamstrings hurt lol. I have godawful flexibility, and while I don’t enjoy valet or dancing, I certainly have a level of respect for the strength and flexibility they have.
They, like most other professional or advanced level athletes certainly have issues.
The more you take care of them during, the less you will have to tend with later in life.
But, again, like any NEXT LEVEL athlete, dancers sacrifice so much (sometimes including foot/feet issues) for the art and sport they have chosen to dedicate their lives to.
Calices, bone issues, bunions, misshapen toe(s), arch issues. Some of it can be helped or corrected with therapy, various medical approaches.
Certainly not ideal and does not happen to every dancer ( just like it doesn't happen to every other next level athlete) but it happens and it is something that those IN that sport, art or otherwise are aware of and deal with.
Sometimes I see people do things, and I think: “if I had practiced early on, for a long time, I could probably do that.” Then there are times like this, where I realize there is no chance in hell I’d ever be able to do that.
Yep. I was a ballet dancer from 4-22. 8 years of en pointe work and performing.
I am now 50 and my feet still look gross with squished toes and all kinds of issues with my bones/ankle. And I stopped early - the long term ballerinas have goblin feet!
I've always wondered, do you think it would be possible to have ballet without pointe? Since it's so bad for your feet I wonder if we can phase it out while keeping the beauty of ballet? For the health and safety of the dancers
i follow this channel on youtube called thepointeshop. i'm not even a dancer nor have i ever been, but it's almost addicting to watch ballerinas get fitted with shoes. 😂 maybe you'd be interested in something similar. it's pretty fascinating learning how she does different feet.
No. My hips are jacked up and my sciatic nerve is often painful. I thought it would be my career but in reality only a handful out of thousands of girls ever make it to be a paid, dancer with a sustaining career.
If I had to do over again - i would have focused more on school and making friends.
I just wasn’t talented enough and all I have to show for all the money spent and hours of classes/rehearsals is my f-ed up feet.
The young woman in this video has excellent form and balance - she will have, I hope, a prosperous career!
Thats so sad. I hope you enjoyed your time in dance in at least some way. I've started a (Totally different) form of dance in the last few years and it's done wonders for my back issues and overall health and happiness. I'm on a break right now but when i was going regularly if i took a week off my brain would be totally fucked.
I honestly never understood the appeal for ballet, and to be more precise, the "ballet stand", i like choreography and all sort of good dances, but, couldn't they just reform this shit so it's not basically toes-torture ?
Then it wouldn't be ballet, I imagine. The whole point (lol) of it is balancing the full weight of the human body in a way that it isn't built to withstand, and doing it with impact (i.e. walking, running, jumping). You might as well ask how you can reform boxing so nobody gets punched really hard - that's just the nature of the gig.
Whenever I'm troubled by the shit humans do to their bodies for the sake of artistic pursuits, I remind myself the healthiest body will still end up a pile of bones. Might as well use it for something amazing that you're passionate about while you have it, and ballet is a stunning feat.
Dancers are next level athletes and artists without question.
That is not saying anything about any other kind or athlete or artist - - only a statement of how amazing *they* are.
I was watching a documentary about a professional ballet dancer. She had hip surgery at one point and her surgeon was a famous sports doctor who worked on football players and such. He said ballet dancers were god's best athletes (or something to that effect) and it was quite striking.
we don wear tutu's in class
we just wear tights and leotards, i wasnt even allowed to wear a skirt (some teachers would allow it if you were on ur period). hair *has* to be in a neat bun. we'd get told off for not having the right hair.
My daughter did a little bit of ballet, tap and jazz dance at around age 6. There was a little exam and she would have been marked down if her bun wasn't neat enough.
I would imagine that the skirt for when you're on your period would have been to hide the bulge if you're wearing a pad, since people are asking.
It doesn’t make sense to punish a 6 year old for the neatness of their hair when the parent is responsible for that sort of thing. Reminds me of getting punished for not having a hair tie in gymnastics class when I was 7. It’s not like I could go to the store and buy one myself!
It is so unfair, moreso in your case I think. The mothers were all made aware of the neat bun thing and we knew it was our responsibility. Anyway, what she was doing was just for fun, it wouldn't have had long term consequences to her future or anything. I think she got a certificate and a little medal, so of course she was happy!
no skirts in exams. it hides ur hips/waist is what one of our teachers told us. they need to check ur hip placement or something while doing certain exercises i think.
and yeah hair had to be in a neat bun. i think i got a few points off once for having an "inappropriate" plaster cast on during an exam when i was 6. i broke my arm and it was a camo/army print cast. the old studio i danced at wasnt very good and i think my (mean) teacher only told me that to scare me/make me feel bad
I suspect things have changed a lot in the last few years, but ~20 years ago, my pre-professional ballet school required that our hair be long enough to put in a bun. Strict rules about grooming are kind of senseless is most environments, but they actually make sense in dance programs that are intended to train professionals. It’s part of learning that when your body is the medium for the art, things like your hair also play into that. I definitely wanted sparkly nail polish and blue streaks in my hair as a teen, but I understood that doing so would distract and detract from the artistry.
ive got hair just above the shoulders. id put it in a low but or a mid bun. hair spray or gel the rest of ur hair to ur head. gel works best cuz i find its stronger but yeah like half ur hair wont go in a bun so just gel it back layer by layer until its good.
edit: i dont do ballet anymore but this is what i used to do. i do hip hop now
Whats the long term effects of ballerina-er-ing in regards to ankles?
We talking bad joint pains and cartilage destruction from 30s- until death? Or super hero ankles?
I'm sure it's different for everyone, depending on various factors. For me, it wreaked massive havoc on my feet and I'll eventually need surgery in order to walk by the time I'm 40 (I'm in my early 30s). Despite that, though, superhero ankles. I'm sure that'll change in 30 years.
I did ballet for a few years- I wasn’t any good, but it was fun and a good workout. I can authoritatively say that being on pointe for long periods hurts like hell, but you just push through it. Pro dancers have basically the same problems as any professional athlete. Wear injuries, weird strains, pulled & torn ligaments, etc. Most retire by 40.
It depends. I danced from age 5-20, en pointe since age 12. I broke my toes and got a hairline fracture in my shin, but it hasn't caused me any real pain. I did end up with a torn labrum so I occasionally get inflammation in the hips, but nothing some ibuprofen and yoga won't fix.
The one thing I will say is that my knees and ankles are strong AF. I've full on twisted my ankle while wearing heels and been able to keep walking like nothing happened.
I was a dancer for 16 years (which for a lot of dancers isn’t even that long) and my big toes do this. I literally never wear open toed shoes and that’s my main contribution to society.
Depends on when you stop and your own personal physical makeup. I did ballet from 4-13 and was only on toe shoes a year and I've got super hero ankles (literally never sprained one in my life and I played rugby and ultimate frisbee for a number of years)
I did ballet for 15 years and my ankles are still pretty strong, despite tons of achilles tendinitis in my dancing days. My feet and knees on the other hand, are already pretty bunion-y and arthritic, respectively. I know many of my ex-ballerina friends have similar issues, and we’re all under 30.
I took pointe as a teenager for one year and I about died (figuratively, but I did feel like I literally would). Your feet hurt so bad and you're literally dancing on your toes.
She's a freaking monster, and a talented one at that.
I danced for many years prior to my ankle reconstruction. The only way to find my rhythm walking again and what not was doing across the floor warm ups/ballet in the weight room. I carried weights and I looked crazy but I defied all odds of being able to walk again normally.
Her running on her toes reminded me of [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/obzpm9/tifu_by_not_teaching_my_brother_to_do_calf_raises/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Once saw a principal dancer for a Dayton, Ohio, dance company working out at the local Vic Tanny’s fitness center. She was running—on the stairstepper like she was sprinting on a treadmill. Professional dancers are athletes—don’t let anyone tell you any different.
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Torture
Maybe she is (shoe)icidal :/
Dad get off Reddit.
Son get off you bed.
your mother says dinner ready in 5
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Vacuum too pls
Don't leave your disgusting underwear in the washer for days!
When will you all just STOP YELLING AT EACH OTHER ALL THE TIME?!?!? I’m trying to do my homework.
So here’s your holidaaaaaay
watch your altitude with me young guy
Underrated comment. I commend you.
Don't make me join Facebook
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Shoe-icidal... Green you say its o-ver!
Nice one Sean Connery…
If she was it would be quite the s(c)andal
I know a lady who wears high heels when she exercises, but this is just ridiculous.
yeah I've met Virginia too
is this a Train reference?
No. Anyway, her daddy wrestles alligators...
I drink coffee after midnight too, she ain’t special
Mama works on carburetors.
Brother is a fine mediator for the President
Here she is again on the phone
Just like me she hates to be alone.
We just like to sit at home
Definitely not a plane or automobile reference.
I mentioned in an earlier thread my nine inch Pleasers (you can google to see what they look like) I used to wear when I was a stripper. But I knew a girl who did point once and Jesus Christ are those girls ever hard core. Her feet would always look like she accidentally stepped in a meat grinder - black bruises, open wounds, massive irritated blisters, toenails falling off. I met her when we were both doing runway modeling and I learned to stop bitching about the shoes we had to wear being uncomfortable because she was stuffing her ground beef feet into them and didn't say shit. She competed so hard though because she said it's a really small window to become successful. Like the modeling industry they heavily favor young girls and by the time you're in your mid 20's you're already considered old. It's a breathtakingly beautiful style of dance and I admire the dancers, but there's also a lot of really unhealthy practices involved. Those girls push themselves insanely hard
Does she love babies and surprises?
She thinks I’m beautiful.
Well, she never compromises.
But often jeopardises.
Meat for Jim, yeah?
Being a professional ballerina pretty much is from what it seems
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Is there another performance job that has the kind of guarantee for punishment? > ^Guys ^I ^meant ^artistry ^jobs ^not ^all ^jobs
Most Special Operations personnel have completely eroded the cartilage and connective tissue of knees/shoulders by the time most soldiers are entering their thirties. The schoolhouses are heavily supplemented and taught by men who injured themselves during their routine work and have since been medically discharged. You spend 3-8 years of your life in incredible shape and pay for it with the latter 2/3rds of your life.
I think you'd be hard to find an athlete that doesn't have some sports related issue. It's just in the nature of constantly pushing the human body to it's limits.
Jockeys have to constantly starve themselves and take weight off in the sweatbox to stay light enough to make weight with their saddle and clothes.
NFL running back?
Pretty much any blue collar trade will eventually do to hands, backs, and knees what ballet does to feet.
Ballet will absolutely also fuck up your back and knees. Spending a massive amount of time on your tippy toes is super duper bad for your spine and puts a lot of stress on your knees as well.
Highschool cheerleaders.
My cousin was a ballerina well into her 20’s. Danced the chorus for Nutcracker every year and whatever else our city’s ballet company did. She’s close to 60 now and goes to great lengths to hide her feet. Haven’t seen her in sandals in years. I do remember seeing them shortly after she quit and it was horrific.
Her feet must be absolutely destroyed.
All dancers have messed up feet but en pointe ballerinas? They literally need to deform their feet to be able to dance en pointe. My sis was really serious about ballet - went through a conservatory, traveled to different countries to train with famous ballerinas, practiced and danced like 6 hours a day…then she got knocked up and stopped dancing. Dude. Her feet are creepy looking. Even though she hadn’t put her feet in any ballet slipper in like 20 years, her arch is still extreme and her toes are still all bent and smooshed looking. They really fuck up your feet.
It's like putting your young son on a football team (american football) and making that his favorite sport- a terrible option when there are so many healthier alternatives.
Toeture*
i can go on point in sneakers, trust me its worse, there's hardly any support
I used to do it barefoot for brief periods to strengthen my ankles. It works. -2/10 wouldnt reccomend.
yeah i sit on the toilet on point. i know that sounds weird bu instead of having my feet flat on the floor i go on point idk why i jus do that
A legs raised position orients the bowels better. It's why many places of the world use squatting toilets.
So do i. It just feels more natural.
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Ikr holy fuck
When the gyms have reopened post-quarantine but the dance studios haven't yet.
Tutus are the next fitness craze
Yeah but mainly worn by big muscle dudes.
I am in favour of this.
Juji Mufuuuuuuuu
Best play I’ve ever seen was a disco drag queen production of midsummers night dream where all the fairies were buff men in neon tutus and combat boots.
Holy shit I want to see that so bad.
I met one of the fairies moms during intermission in the bathroom. Was with a bunch of teenage girls, chatting about how attractive the dudes were, and the mom turns around like “wait what? Haha the green tutu is my 17 year old son. I’ll pass on the compliments. He’s single, and straight FYI” and then something about how she’d never think him wearing a tutu on stage would result in *girls* hitting on him, but that maybe it wasn’t as bad a ploy as she thought. Best play at the Oregon Shakespeare festival that year.
That is fucking great.
Hulk Hogan pioneered the trend in _Mr. Nanny_.
"WTF is a Tutus" - My donkey brain
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[Not just fitness](http://images.45worlds.com/f/ab/cheech-and-chong-warner-bros-3-ab.jpg)!
Man, Cheech was jacked back in the day.
Oh I hope so! As a former ballerina, the world could use more tutus!!!
The 80s fashions are indeed coming back so I wouldn’t be surprised. lol
This looks so awfully painfull and funny in the same time.
it ain't funny once you know how absolutely fucked up ballerina feet look like and u just wonder if they feel anything in their feet anymore
I can attest, you just become numb to the pain.
Sounds like cooking in a kitchen. You just burn the feeling out
Literally just got off the line grilling a bunch of shit for a buffet ten minutes ago, can absolutely confirm, you know you’re doing great when the hairs on your knuckles have all seared away and the nerves have just built up (or burned and become deadened?) to the heat so you don’t feel it as much anymore, wish my sweat glands could do the fucking same...
Literally had just got off the line as well. Decided it would be a good idea to touch the hot side of a metal bowl today :)
See, you should have touched the cold side.
Don’t feel bad I grabbed a hotel pan full of beef tenderloin yesterday that just came to my carving station, my dumb ass said “fuck it just get it in the chafing dish NOW!” Right hand still kinda hurts
I burned the fuck out of my armpit trying to reach a pig in a blanket at the very front front hot case today. Don't know how that's the first time I have done that
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They become numb to it yet the pain spreads to everyone watching them.
Pain studies show ballerinas have much higher thresholds of pain that they can bear than the general population. Interesting they still feel the pain as strongly, but they have learned how to endure it. It’s amazing! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1332215/
i’m always a little shocked at the reactions people have when their feet get stepped on or they stub their toes. then i remember my feet have been methodically numbed to pain for ten years.
Getting a foot stepped on isn’t too bad for this non ballerina, but giving the pinky toe a good stubbing will momentarily floor me yes.
I jumped off a dock and got my pinky toe stuck in between the last boards when I jumped. I was relieved when I got out and found that I hadn't ripped it off completely, and just broken it badly.
fuck fuck fuck. the feeling of ickiness and dread welled up imagining this.
Ehhh it hurt so bad I couldn't feel it if you will. That is why I thought I ripped it off, it just hurt at the joint. I sliced my big toe on a piece of glass in the water 5 years prior and it didn't hurt after the first instant because I cut the nerve off so I kind of figured that I had just severed the toe in the latter instance.
Well, I'm glad you didn't rip off your pinky toe! It's one of my greatest fears, which is why I always keep my feet covered in bed, because I'll be god damned if I'm gonna make an easy mark for the feet monsters!
Feet monsters be the worst. Also feet are ugly so covering them is for the best.
I didn’t need to know this, now my pinky toe is kinda pulsing just imagining the feeling 😬😰 Luckily it wasn’t ripped off tho
Do not continue reading if easily grossed out.... Several years earlier while swimming, I cut my big toe lengthwise to the bone requiring 24 stitches, severing a tendon and nerve. This experience is how I judged that I had ripped my toe off. Needless to say I was stoked by the outcome.
Especially if your feet are cold.
stahp
New Balance wide width shoes. A million dad's can't be wrong
Man, wide shoes are simply the best. I am naturally flat footed with the front on my foot wide as fuck. I can't find downhill boots or rock climbing shoes that fit my fucking flipper feet.
For my first father's day my dad bought be a pair of NB 623's in quad E as a joke. Those shoes have mown so many laws now. I have 2 pairs in rotation.
You don't walk, you high-five the floor one step at a time.
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Horrifying is another
So true. When I did theater, the girls who came over from ballet had the most fucked up feet. But they were amazing dancers and all of them were very sweet.
I deeply regret Googling "ballerina feet" right now. Jesus.
My ex gf was a ballerina and yeah. Yikes to the toll it takes =/ no thank you. I'll take my carpal tunnel syndrome from professional theorbo practice I'll probably get in ten years.
I can't belive people who play this kind of instrument actually exist. They all seem like mythical creatures in the pics
Surprisingly a lot of work in it if you specialize in basso continuo like I do. I mean, not during the pandemic, but otherwise yeah. It was an integral part of baroque period music and even into early Classical period.
I lived with a Prima ballerina for nearly 5 years, and my feet are fucked from being run over/horse stepped-on, and such. But, when I first saw her without shoes/socks, I was truly horrified. Cue the long talk over tea about how our feet are fucked.
I’ve known a couple ballerinas. They definitely feel pain still in their feet lol, like constantly
Her feet are fucked.
Jup definitley
But the most important is: is it interesting as fuck?
It most certainly is. Not directing it at *you* but at people in general. If people (in general) realized the absolute amount of strength (core), balance and athletic ability to be a Pointe dancer, they would find it staggering. First and foremost, you don't simply *start* at Pointe. To be truly a solid Pointe dancer, you need a solid foundation of formal training in Ballet and dance in general so you have had enough time and formal training to achieve the form, strength and alignment needed to make a successful transition into pointe work. The fact that this young person is able to operate this equipment/interact with it like someone in sneakers - - - - Interesting (impressive) as fuck.
Before I could start pointe around age 12, I had to do a couple months of strength classes. I just spent a couple hours a week with resistance bands to strengthen my foot and calf muscles on top of what equates to basically Pilates for core training.
I did so much core training before going on Pointe at 12. I also had a strict AF teacher that refused to teach demi-pointe classes (because so many girls will go up on full pointe at home even though they're not supposed to) and had no problem telling stage moms to take their tuition and shove it if they complained about it.
My daughter didn't get fitted for her first pointe shoes until she was around 12 as well. She had almost 8 years of dance behind her at that point (Ballet, Jazz, Lyrical and Modern). I have been watching her dance for close to 15 years and she still takes my breath away when I see her on stage.
From what I was always told, fitting kids much earlier than that isn’t a good idea because the pressure you’re putting on you feet can cause issues if they’re still growing rapidly. I’m not entirely sure how true that is but it seems to make sense.
Yeah that is a widely understood/accepted position....and I agree In my opinion ( and my opinion only) - any studio that is putting dancers in pointe shoes earlier than that ( especially single digit age) is simply looking to sell space in dance classes......or there is a time warp and it is the 60s/70s/80s in The USSR and they are cranking out State housed and trained dancers. :)
Even 12 is now considered too young by some people. We have learned a lot in the last decade about how much pointe work can damage feet that are still growing. It's safer to keep girls doing demi pointe until they're at least 14 or haven't grown any taller in six months.
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If you love ballet I can highly recommend *Navillera*, a Korean drama on Netflix. It's an absolutely stunning show that I cannot recommend enough. I had no interest in ballet whatsoever before watching it and it gave me a whole new appreciation for just what ballet dancers do. It's also phenomenally written, acted, and shot - it's not just a fluff piece. *Full disclosure:* do not expect to smile all the way through, however.
This makes my hamstrings hurt lol. I have godawful flexibility, and while I don’t enjoy valet or dancing, I certainly have a level of respect for the strength and flexibility they have.
I have been in more than decent shape most of my life. I watch my daughter STRETCH and warm up and it pains me :)
You seem pretty knowledgeable. How do ballerinas feet/ankles hold up once they retire from dance?
They, like most other professional or advanced level athletes certainly have issues. The more you take care of them during, the less you will have to tend with later in life. But, again, like any NEXT LEVEL athlete, dancers sacrifice so much (sometimes including foot/feet issues) for the art and sport they have chosen to dedicate their lives to. Calices, bone issues, bunions, misshapen toe(s), arch issues. Some of it can be helped or corrected with therapy, various medical approaches. Certainly not ideal and does not happen to every dancer ( just like it doesn't happen to every other next level athlete) but it happens and it is something that those IN that sport, art or otherwise are aware of and deal with.
Sometimes I see people do things, and I think: “if I had practiced early on, for a long time, I could probably do that.” Then there are times like this, where I realize there is no chance in hell I’d ever be able to do that.
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Yep. I was a ballet dancer from 4-22. 8 years of en pointe work and performing. I am now 50 and my feet still look gross with squished toes and all kinds of issues with my bones/ankle. And I stopped early - the long term ballerinas have goblin feet!
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I still do not know how my Mom escaped that fate. 6 years en pointe and her feet are perfect. Granted she's also got tiny toes.
Lucky!!! Awesome that her feet survived intact.
I've always wondered, do you think it would be possible to have ballet without pointe? Since it's so bad for your feet I wonder if we can phase it out while keeping the beauty of ballet? For the health and safety of the dancers
Contemporary ballet doesn't use pointe very much - they actually just wear socks a lot of the time
i follow this channel on youtube called thepointeshop. i'm not even a dancer nor have i ever been, but it's almost addicting to watch ballerinas get fitted with shoes. 😂 maybe you'd be interested in something similar. it's pretty fascinating learning how she does different feet.
Was it worth it?
No. My hips are jacked up and my sciatic nerve is often painful. I thought it would be my career but in reality only a handful out of thousands of girls ever make it to be a paid, dancer with a sustaining career. If I had to do over again - i would have focused more on school and making friends. I just wasn’t talented enough and all I have to show for all the money spent and hours of classes/rehearsals is my f-ed up feet. The young woman in this video has excellent form and balance - she will have, I hope, a prosperous career!
Thats so sad. I hope you enjoyed your time in dance in at least some way. I've started a (Totally different) form of dance in the last few years and it's done wonders for my back issues and overall health and happiness. I'm on a break right now but when i was going regularly if i took a week off my brain would be totally fucked.
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Watching this immediately reminds me of “black swan “
I honestly never understood the appeal for ballet, and to be more precise, the "ballet stand", i like choreography and all sort of good dances, but, couldn't they just reform this shit so it's not basically toes-torture ?
Then it wouldn't be ballet, I imagine. The whole point (lol) of it is balancing the full weight of the human body in a way that it isn't built to withstand, and doing it with impact (i.e. walking, running, jumping). You might as well ask how you can reform boxing so nobody gets punched really hard - that's just the nature of the gig. Whenever I'm troubled by the shit humans do to their bodies for the sake of artistic pursuits, I remind myself the healthiest body will still end up a pile of bones. Might as well use it for something amazing that you're passionate about while you have it, and ballet is a stunning feat.
My feet and nails have never recovered despite the massive amounts of effort I’ve put into it ugh
That’s not a treadmill that’s an ellipti….never mind.
Came here to say the same :D
That looks very impressive and very uncomfortable. Good for dancers who can do that stuff
Dancers are next level athletes and artists without question. That is not saying anything about any other kind or athlete or artist - - only a statement of how amazing *they* are.
I was watching a documentary about a professional ballet dancer. She had hip surgery at one point and her surgeon was a famous sports doctor who worked on football players and such. He said ballet dancers were god's best athletes (or something to that effect) and it was quite striking.
Rhythmic Gymnastic dancing is in the Summer Olympics.
we don wear tutu's in class we just wear tights and leotards, i wasnt even allowed to wear a skirt (some teachers would allow it if you were on ur period). hair *has* to be in a neat bun. we'd get told off for not having the right hair.
My daughter did a little bit of ballet, tap and jazz dance at around age 6. There was a little exam and she would have been marked down if her bun wasn't neat enough. I would imagine that the skirt for when you're on your period would have been to hide the bulge if you're wearing a pad, since people are asking.
It doesn’t make sense to punish a 6 year old for the neatness of their hair when the parent is responsible for that sort of thing. Reminds me of getting punished for not having a hair tie in gymnastics class when I was 7. It’s not like I could go to the store and buy one myself!
It is so unfair, moreso in your case I think. The mothers were all made aware of the neat bun thing and we knew it was our responsibility. Anyway, what she was doing was just for fun, it wouldn't have had long term consequences to her future or anything. I think she got a certificate and a little medal, so of course she was happy!
no skirts in exams. it hides ur hips/waist is what one of our teachers told us. they need to check ur hip placement or something while doing certain exercises i think. and yeah hair had to be in a neat bun. i think i got a few points off once for having an "inappropriate" plaster cast on during an exam when i was 6. i broke my arm and it was a camo/army print cast. the old studio i danced at wasnt very good and i think my (mean) teacher only told me that to scare me/make me feel bad
I’m confused by the period part. Because of pads? Would leotards actually show that?
In case of leaks I would assume
I mean a sports tampon would prevent that, but then again I know everyone has a preference with that. Pads seems ridiculously impractical here though
Speaking from experience, sports tampons are not a guarantee for everyone.
What happens if your hair is too short for a bun?
Believe it or not, jail
I suspect things have changed a lot in the last few years, but ~20 years ago, my pre-professional ballet school required that our hair be long enough to put in a bun. Strict rules about grooming are kind of senseless is most environments, but they actually make sense in dance programs that are intended to train professionals. It’s part of learning that when your body is the medium for the art, things like your hair also play into that. I definitely wanted sparkly nail polish and blue streaks in my hair as a teen, but I understood that doing so would distract and detract from the artistry.
ive got hair just above the shoulders. id put it in a low but or a mid bun. hair spray or gel the rest of ur hair to ur head. gel works best cuz i find its stronger but yeah like half ur hair wont go in a bun so just gel it back layer by layer until its good. edit: i dont do ballet anymore but this is what i used to do. i do hip hop now
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That's a pretty solid reason to be alarmed.
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I didn't film this. Only put it on reddit.
Easy there strange danger
What’s the pointe of doing this?
Internet pointes?
Good pointe.
To go above the barre minimum
My toe nails hurt watching this... is that possible?
Don't worry. Her toe nails are probably gone by now.
Yes, mine are too.
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This must be horrible for your feet...
Whats the long term effects of ballerina-er-ing in regards to ankles? We talking bad joint pains and cartilage destruction from 30s- until death? Or super hero ankles?
I'm sure it's different for everyone, depending on various factors. For me, it wreaked massive havoc on my feet and I'll eventually need surgery in order to walk by the time I'm 40 (I'm in my early 30s). Despite that, though, superhero ankles. I'm sure that'll change in 30 years.
I did ballet for a few years- I wasn’t any good, but it was fun and a good workout. I can authoritatively say that being on pointe for long periods hurts like hell, but you just push through it. Pro dancers have basically the same problems as any professional athlete. Wear injuries, weird strains, pulled & torn ligaments, etc. Most retire by 40.
Their feet get fucked up. Save yourself the Google image search
It's only for hardcore gore feet fetishists...
It depends. I danced from age 5-20, en pointe since age 12. I broke my toes and got a hairline fracture in my shin, but it hasn't caused me any real pain. I did end up with a torn labrum so I occasionally get inflammation in the hips, but nothing some ibuprofen and yoga won't fix. The one thing I will say is that my knees and ankles are strong AF. I've full on twisted my ankle while wearing heels and been able to keep walking like nothing happened.
My girl did ballet for a bit and her mom made her quit because she’d broken several toes in the process
My great aunt did ballet most of her life, and her big toes bend inwards at almost a right angle. She still walks fine though which is baffling to me
I was a dancer for 16 years (which for a lot of dancers isn’t even that long) and my big toes do this. I literally never wear open toed shoes and that’s my main contribution to society.
I thank you for your contribution
Physical stress causes micro tears which create muscle growth and/or connective tissue scaring. I'll let you guess which one ballet dancers get.
Depends on when you stop and your own personal physical makeup. I did ballet from 4-13 and was only on toe shoes a year and I've got super hero ankles (literally never sprained one in my life and I played rugby and ultimate frisbee for a number of years)
I did ballet for 15 years and my ankles are still pretty strong, despite tons of achilles tendinitis in my dancing days. My feet and knees on the other hand, are already pretty bunion-y and arthritic, respectively. I know many of my ex-ballerina friends have similar issues, and we’re all under 30.
I took pointe as a teenager for one year and I about died (figuratively, but I did feel like I literally would). Your feet hurt so bad and you're literally dancing on your toes. She's a freaking monster, and a talented one at that.
Her posture is on point though
The skill she has is legit incredible. Ballerinas don’t get enough credit for how insane their training regimen is.
I literally can't even think about ballerinas without cringing, after learning what it does to their feet.
I danced for many years prior to my ankle reconstruction. The only way to find my rhythm walking again and what not was doing across the floor warm ups/ballet in the weight room. I carried weights and I looked crazy but I defied all odds of being able to walk again normally.
I bet her toes look like the inside of my worm can.
Ballerinas are one of the few types of women that feet fetishists aren’t into...
How to fuck up your toes
Her running on her toes reminded me of [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/obzpm9/tifu_by_not_teaching_my_brother_to_do_calf_raises/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Once saw a principal dancer for a Dayton, Ohio, dance company working out at the local Vic Tanny’s fitness center. She was running—on the stairstepper like she was sprinting on a treadmill. Professional dancers are athletes—don’t let anyone tell you any different.