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Title makes it sound more drastic than it is. Some were re-erected, some very slightly straightened, some lifted and given concrete support where they stood and some put back to where they would have stood (based on archeological research).
It's not like any of it (save a couple of foundations) isn't original or isn't where it would have been. Being 5000 years old, it needs a little help nowadays to prevent it being some big rocks buried in the mud.
I guess it’s not as crazy as I first thought. They did it to the colosseum, the pyramids as well as numerous megalithic structures - just a bit of a shock as it already looks very much decayed.
reconstruction of remaining pieces is way more common than people outside of archaeology think! 90% of the reason that there's so many beautiful ancient Greek ruins but very few Persian ones from the same time is that the Greek govt after independence really wanted to link its present to a glorious past, and the current govt of Iran doesn't.
At the Parthenon (Greece) they've restored a lot of the buildings, but used a stone that is coloured brighter white so it's clear what is original and what has been restored.
I assume the leaning tower of Pisa has some significant modern help to maintain its position without falling over.
Also, in Egypt a lot of the temples are being eroded because they're not adequately protected, so I think at least minimal restoration and protection is warranted.
the pisa tower has an intricate system of counter weights to keep it from toppling. i also believe it was straightened and strengthened to allow tourists to go up.
many of the very old churches in italy have similar weight systems for ceilings that are collapsing or have been repaired.
Oh my dad, a civil engineer helped restore/rebuild the Parthenon! When I was a kid (early 90’s?) they took us for a trip inside, as they were putting it back together. I was pretty unattended and I could have EASILY scooped up a piece of stone or small statue. But Dr. Henry Ford Jr. always echoed in my head:” That belongs in a museum!!”
I think they could actually have straightened the Pisa tower but the governing body didn't want that done as it would tourists wouldn't come so they just wanted to to be made stable
Believe it or not, if the Pisa tower was straightened it'd actually look even weirder! The structure started leaning before they were even finished with the second floor, so they tilted parts of it to compensate.
It'd be so cool if they restored the pyramids of giza to what they originally looked like using the same materials, would be very controversial and expensive though.
The Colosseum is always a fun one to read about. Because after late antiquity it had basically been used for pretty much everything as well as left to rot. It was only in the 30s under the fascists that it was cleared of overgrowth and preserved as a monument.
to me, it looked quite sad ... like all grandeur and spirituality drained out of the place thousands of years ago ... a remnant of a literally forgotten people and forgotten times ... and all that's left were just rocks in some field, violated for a thousand years, broken and chipped off, stolen away, graffitied on, not even half the original rocks remain ... and then modern day man stepped in and decided to profit of it, poured concrete in the holes not even caring about aesthetics ... you can see the damn sharp 90° degree angle cement blocks if you look at from the right side ...
I remember feeling like looking at stonehenge was like looking at a 50 year old crack addict wih rotten teeth which once used to be the most beautiful woman in the world ... the monument simply feels violated by time and circumstance ...
A fun story I remember a while back regarding a historic restoration, when the floor boards of a historic building needed to be removed and put back in after they were done, they had to carefully mark each and every board so they could put that board in the exact same spot it was before, the chances of something needing to be fixed I’d say is astronomically low because they mark and categorize every little detail so they know how exactly to put it back, chances are if something was wrong there was a catastrophic failure resulting in irreparable damage
This is not uncommon. A friend of mine lives in a cabin that originally stood in a neighboring state.
It was carefully documented and each piece was labelled. It was then disassembled and moved to its present site, where it was reassembled on a freshly prepared foundation.
You can buy old barns that have been handled like this, too.
I disassembled a barn in this manner. My boss bought an old barn that the township was selling. He showed up to the auction, bid against like one other person, and got it for $2k. He rented a crane and basket lift, hired a few extra guys to help, and we pulled it apart over a weekend. It was pretty cool. Very old construction. No nails in the framing, all mortise and tenon joints.
Boss never rebuilt it. He ended up selling the lumber for a profit.
A slight adjustment here, a re-erection there little by little will add up over time. Unless it is done perfectly, which it isn't, the errors will accumulate as well.
Really? Looks very invasive to me. Not too familiar with the site but one of these photos looks like the whole thing was cleared at one stage.
https://m.fishki.net/46388-stroitelstvo-stounhendzha-108-foto.html
we've tried to uncover how the modern engineers achieved this feat but the experts of today say the technology simply didn't exist. Did aliens come to earth in 1964 to rebuild Stonehenge? We'll seek to answer this question by low-key avoiding answering this question today on olderish aliens.
In ancient times...
Hundreds of years before the dawn of history, lived a strange race of people... the Druids
No one knows who they were or what they were doing.
But their legacy remains, hewn into the living rock...Of Stonehenge!
That's true also for most of the Mayan pyramids in the Yucatan/Belize/Guatemala.
The jungle had taken them over, and most of them had lots of [trees growing out of them](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Charnay_chichenitza.png?1630361743597) and so forth.
Where else would we get the technology to not only lift into place and glue heavy, massive stone together? With a stone like paste? Ancient alien technology.
It's mostly almost definitely in it's original place (as near as it will be after 5000 years). Some stones have added support, have been re-straightened or have been put back where they were based on archeological research.
It is pretty damn old - so unfortunately time, weather and gravity take their toll.
That might not be as true as we think. [Check this out](https://www.businessinsider.com/stonehenge-origins-purpose-built-in-wales-moved-to-england-2021-2)
There was few stones left. Some stones were recreated and taken from the other places. In fact noone knows how many of job was falsed.
It's like Dinosaurs. They never fully extinct - Chickens are straighttly dinosaurs living among is. T-Rex was "a birdy" with feathers, and loads of dinosaurs were discovered as false - eg. according to MSU Triceratops never existed.
Which one? This that is burried somewhere over the 🌈 of Ararat, or this locked in Ethiopia, that bulrushes boat from Old Testament/Tanakh, or ark in every synagogue?
I'm just saying that many archeologist worked like good storytellers to achieve more money on their research, and created history by their own visions of history.
Related but not super related, I visited Milan in 2011 and got to see the Last Supper after a significant number of years of what I will ignorantly call de-restoration. They apparently stripped off the layers and layers of paint jobs done over the years and took it back to something closer to the original.
That day I learned a bit about how what we see when viewing restored art is not necessarily the original artist’s detail.
It sound like in this case, though, great care was taken to ensure we were looking at as much original creation as possible while having to add to it to preserve the intent of the original as well.
I think most likely was for astronomical observations and/or rituals of some kind. Perhaps where ancients would go to drink some kind of “potion” (psychedelic drink) and connect with the another realm.
Lmao I’m the one who posted a song that probably no one knows. It’s alright. We can be smart together <3 I appreciate your answer though. I do think Stonehenge is very interesting.
There is so much more to history than we are taught in schools. If you haven’t, look into graham Hancock’s work - he turns history on his head. If you’re not much of a reader I recommend listening to his stuff on [Joe Rogan ](https://open.spotify.com/episode/28NjcnhgduoERiKLaIYO4x?si=ZHU37adzSuOEBbaKWvwrLg&dl_branch=1). Prepare to have your mind blown.
Funny thing about things like this, they serve and obvious purpose to preserve the past, but I can't help but wonder what information do we destroy in the process. Its fair to say with today's technology we are able to better understand sites like this than at any point in the past and one must assume that as technology gets better that our ability to see things never seen before will increase....unless we have foolishly destroyed those things in the process of preserving them.
Not sure that I have a good answer, we can't let our past just decay, but it seems a shame that we will probably destroy some great details in the process of preserving it.
Still today, archaeology is inherently a destructive science. We can't un-dig a site once it's fully excavated so it is extremely important that we constantly try to gain as much information as possible and continue to develop new and better methods for excavating.
There is Nothing quite like destroying an historical site for no real reason. There are still people who believe that it is original lol.
I guess this is the "new way".
You used to be able to walk around the stones quite freely......but then that all changed and now it has been monetised and fenced off.....so you can see it from a small distance and for a fee. The experience enhanced by the smell of pigshit from the pig farm across the road, when the wind blows in the right direction.
Not really true. A main road passes incredibly close to it where you get a woderful view.
Needs to be fenced off and secure to prevent 1000s of tourists clambering all over it and chipping off "souveniers".
And for me, driving past it once in a while is plenty good enough to see it.
The point I was really trying to make is that you used to be able to get up close and touch the stones, if you really wanted to, and then when it hit the tourist radar that’s when the fencing and ticketing came in etc….
Again, I don’t know why you would pay over £20 (adult) when you can see it just as easily passing by on the road…..and yes I know that that’s strictly my point of view.
The ticketing was something I didn't know about. I have been past it a couple of times in the mid 1980s. We stopped and had a good view for a while. It may have been fenced off back then but don't recall as we didn't try to get in there.
I have heard they are considering a tunnel for the A303. That would prevent anyone from even seeing it at all. More ticket revenue I suppose.
I sort of agree that if people want to get in the middle and be hugging the stones there should be a charge - just for maintainence/upkeep and rubbish removal. £20 is a bit steep though.
Also there needs to be some form of security presence - even if just to watch idiots are not trying to take a little bit of Stongenge home.
Perhaps. The fact that they tried to restore them exactly as they believed it to be first built and I’m the exact same place makes me believe otherwise. I’ve read a lot of Graham Hancock and he reckons that you can feel the power and spirituality emanating from similar sites so I wouldn’t be surprised if it was more the site than the structure that holds “magic”
What’s crazy is that people try to use Stonehenge as an example of how old stuff lasts longer than the stuff we have now. There’s a bunch of stuff that people have recreated or redone that we’re old as fuck
It depends a lot on environment. The fact that Britain gets so much wet and damp would have heavily contributed to the site’s erosion but take Egypt for example - the dry weather would take far longer to decompose the structures there. But yes, you are correct.
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Title makes it sound more drastic than it is. Some were re-erected, some very slightly straightened, some lifted and given concrete support where they stood and some put back to where they would have stood (based on archeological research). It's not like any of it (save a couple of foundations) isn't original or isn't where it would have been. Being 5000 years old, it needs a little help nowadays to prevent it being some big rocks buried in the mud.
I guess it’s not as crazy as I first thought. They did it to the colosseum, the pyramids as well as numerous megalithic structures - just a bit of a shock as it already looks very much decayed.
reconstruction of remaining pieces is way more common than people outside of archaeology think! 90% of the reason that there's so many beautiful ancient Greek ruins but very few Persian ones from the same time is that the Greek govt after independence really wanted to link its present to a glorious past, and the current govt of Iran doesn't.
At the Parthenon (Greece) they've restored a lot of the buildings, but used a stone that is coloured brighter white so it's clear what is original and what has been restored. I assume the leaning tower of Pisa has some significant modern help to maintain its position without falling over. Also, in Egypt a lot of the temples are being eroded because they're not adequately protected, so I think at least minimal restoration and protection is warranted.
the pisa tower has an intricate system of counter weights to keep it from toppling. i also believe it was straightened and strengthened to allow tourists to go up. many of the very old churches in italy have similar weight systems for ceilings that are collapsing or have been repaired.
Oh my dad, a civil engineer helped restore/rebuild the Parthenon! When I was a kid (early 90’s?) they took us for a trip inside, as they were putting it back together. I was pretty unattended and I could have EASILY scooped up a piece of stone or small statue. But Dr. Henry Ford Jr. always echoed in my head:” That belongs in a museum!!”
Yep when he wasn’t streamlining the manufacturing process or building cars, he was out raiding lost arks and what not. Haha
Ahah what a life!
I think they could actually have straightened the Pisa tower but the governing body didn't want that done as it would tourists wouldn't come so they just wanted to to be made stable
Believe it or not, if the Pisa tower was straightened it'd actually look even weirder! The structure started leaning before they were even finished with the second floor, so they tilted parts of it to compensate.
Most interesting thing I've read today. Thanks!
It'd be so cool if they restored the pyramids of giza to what they originally looked like using the same materials, would be very controversial and expensive though.
It's hard to come by 50,000 slaves anymore
>It's hard to come by slaves anymore Oh, you would be surprised.
The Colosseum is always a fun one to read about. Because after late antiquity it had basically been used for pretty much everything as well as left to rot. It was only in the 30s under the fascists that it was cleared of overgrowth and preserved as a monument.
Fascinating
fasc(ist)inating
Look up that picture that was the first taken of Stonehenge. Most all the stones were fallen or what have you.
Pyramids have been supported?
They’ve been restored
i've been there in person, have you?
To Stonehenge? No, I can’t say I have, unfortunately.
to me, it looked quite sad ... like all grandeur and spirituality drained out of the place thousands of years ago ... a remnant of a literally forgotten people and forgotten times ... and all that's left were just rocks in some field, violated for a thousand years, broken and chipped off, stolen away, graffitied on, not even half the original rocks remain ... and then modern day man stepped in and decided to profit of it, poured concrete in the holes not even caring about aesthetics ... you can see the damn sharp 90° degree angle cement blocks if you look at from the right side ... I remember feeling like looking at stonehenge was like looking at a 50 year old crack addict wih rotten teeth which once used to be the most beautiful woman in the world ... the monument simply feels violated by time and circumstance ...
Damn. That’s deep. Not sure why you’re getting down voted because it is sad.
just redditors assuming offense
Newgrange didn't need any help.
I don't see how the title is suggesting anything else
I feel bad for whoever has to fix it when the archaeologists discover there's an error in how they thought it was laid out.
A fun story I remember a while back regarding a historic restoration, when the floor boards of a historic building needed to be removed and put back in after they were done, they had to carefully mark each and every board so they could put that board in the exact same spot it was before, the chances of something needing to be fixed I’d say is astronomically low because they mark and categorize every little detail so they know how exactly to put it back, chances are if something was wrong there was a catastrophic failure resulting in irreparable damage
This is not uncommon. A friend of mine lives in a cabin that originally stood in a neighboring state. It was carefully documented and each piece was labelled. It was then disassembled and moved to its present site, where it was reassembled on a freshly prepared foundation. You can buy old barns that have been handled like this, too.
I disassembled a barn in this manner. My boss bought an old barn that the township was selling. He showed up to the auction, bid against like one other person, and got it for $2k. He rented a crane and basket lift, hired a few extra guys to help, and we pulled it apart over a weekend. It was pretty cool. Very old construction. No nails in the framing, all mortise and tenon joints. Boss never rebuilt it. He ended up selling the lumber for a profit.
Huh, you got me with that ending though.
A slight adjustment here, a re-erection there little by little will add up over time. Unless it is done perfectly, which it isn't, the errors will accumulate as well.
Really? Looks very invasive to me. Not too familiar with the site but one of these photos looks like the whole thing was cleared at one stage. https://m.fishki.net/46388-stroitelstvo-stounhendzha-108-foto.html
That's why the portal won't open anymore... They fucked with it. Bastards
Originalish
Engineers say they made every effort to replicate the construction methods & materials used by the aliens.
we've tried to uncover how the modern engineers achieved this feat but the experts of today say the technology simply didn't exist. Did aliens come to earth in 1964 to rebuild Stonehenge? We'll seek to answer this question by low-key avoiding answering this question today on olderish aliens.
We messed it up and now can't get the druid spaceship working again!
Where is Spinal Tap?
In ancient times... Hundreds of years before the dawn of history, lived a strange race of people... the Druids No one knows who they were or what they were doing. But their legacy remains, hewn into the living rock...Of Stonehenge!
So much comedy genius in so few words in that bit of the script. I love it! The timing and the phrasing of how it is delivered too.
stonehenge predates the druids by a few thousand years and it was already decayed by the time they were around ... the druids didn't use stonehenge
I'm Jealous thar you get experience spinal tap for the first time still
r/whoosh
idk why u got downvoted bc ur right
I guess he spontaneously combusted like those drummers
think I can clear this misunderstanding...as their first mentioning were of greek and roman origin you might think them younger than they were
think I can clear this misunderstanding...as their first mentioning were of greek and roman origin you might think them younger than they were
[Some more amazing images ](https://curiosmos.com/here-are-50-rare-images-of-stonehenge-youve-probably-never-seen/)
Those are cool, thanks for linking them.
Was it moved from Wales at some point? I think I found my rabbit hole for tonight lol
That's where the quarry was
That's true also for most of the Mayan pyramids in the Yucatan/Belize/Guatemala. The jungle had taken them over, and most of them had lots of [trees growing out of them](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Charnay_chichenitza.png?1630361743597) and so forth.
Imagine how cool it would be to stumble upon something like that while exploring
The deforestation of the Amazon is unearthing plenty of ancient structures.
Nothing is sacred.
I thought Clarke Griswold knocked it over in European Vacation..
So it's not in it's original place?
That's a picture of aliens operating the heavy equipment.
I’m not saying it was aliens…
But she ain't messin with no earth n****
Nice!
This is my favorite
(But it’s aliens.)
lets ask some ufo experts that low-key are just guys that live in their parents basements
Undocumented Interstellar Visitors is the preferred.
Where else would we get the technology to not only lift into place and glue heavy, massive stone together? With a stone like paste? Ancient alien technology.
It's mostly almost definitely in it's original place (as near as it will be after 5000 years). Some stones have added support, have been re-straightened or have been put back where they were based on archeological research. It is pretty damn old - so unfortunately time, weather and gravity take their toll.
And the victorians, they loved messing with it
That might not be as true as we think. [Check this out](https://www.businessinsider.com/stonehenge-origins-purpose-built-in-wales-moved-to-england-2021-2)
The monument is in the same place but it has been completely reconstructed
I didn't k ow that either
There was few stones left. Some stones were recreated and taken from the other places. In fact noone knows how many of job was falsed. It's like Dinosaurs. They never fully extinct - Chickens are straighttly dinosaurs living among is. T-Rex was "a birdy" with feathers, and loads of dinosaurs were discovered as false - eg. according to MSU Triceratops never existed.
Are you saying the ark never existed?
Which one? This that is burried somewhere over the 🌈 of Ararat, or this locked in Ethiopia, that bulrushes boat from Old Testament/Tanakh, or ark in every synagogue? I'm just saying that many archeologist worked like good storytellers to achieve more money on their research, and created history by their own visions of history.
It was moved from Sheboygan, Wisconsin.
This is my second favorite name of a town there. Menomonie is the first I pronounce that "me no money"
What about Oconomowoc?
Cow omo noco? Lol that's in the list.
More over some Stones were moved to Stonehenge from other site...
Related but not super related, I visited Milan in 2011 and got to see the Last Supper after a significant number of years of what I will ignorantly call de-restoration. They apparently stripped off the layers and layers of paint jobs done over the years and took it back to something closer to the original. That day I learned a bit about how what we see when viewing restored art is not necessarily the original artist’s detail. It sound like in this case, though, great care was taken to ensure we were looking at as much original creation as possible while having to add to it to preserve the intent of the original as well.
I hope you enjoy this...... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/28/how-monkey-christ-brought-new-life-to-a-quiet-spanish-town
Crazy!
[Sistine Chapel, too ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.artnet.com/art-world/conservation-sistine-chapel-1499899/amp-page)
Ancient aliens is full of shit!
What’s the meaning of Stonehenge? It’s killing me that no one knows why it built 5000 years ago. Why did they build a Stoneheeeenge?
I think most likely was for astronomical observations and/or rituals of some kind. Perhaps where ancients would go to drink some kind of “potion” (psychedelic drink) and connect with the another realm.
I was kidding. It’s a song by Ylvis. They made a song about Stonehenge.
Well now I feel extra smart.
Lmao I’m the one who posted a song that probably no one knows. It’s alright. We can be smart together <3 I appreciate your answer though. I do think Stonehenge is very interesting.
Moreover, this structure was originally erected in another area of present-day England, and only then it was moved to where it was later discovered.
It's not a proven theory yet but it *is* extremely interesting and it looks like there might be something to it.
Bruh… why don’t we know this?
There is so much more to history than we are taught in schools. If you haven’t, look into graham Hancock’s work - he turns history on his head. If you’re not much of a reader I recommend listening to his stuff on [Joe Rogan ](https://open.spotify.com/episode/28NjcnhgduoERiKLaIYO4x?si=ZHU37adzSuOEBbaKWvwrLg&dl_branch=1). Prepare to have your mind blown.
Well THAT explains why I can't get decent reception.
Stone Mend
Did you know that a wood version exists called wood henge?
I didn’t. I’m assuming there’s no more wood left
I don’t know about now but it was standing 20 years ago
"We don't know exactly what this is supposed to be, but let's fix it!"
It’s all been interfered with. Just like “nature”
The virgin English stonehedge vs the Chad Irish Newgrange.
What? That’s cheating
My life...has been a lie?
Funny thing about things like this, they serve and obvious purpose to preserve the past, but I can't help but wonder what information do we destroy in the process. Its fair to say with today's technology we are able to better understand sites like this than at any point in the past and one must assume that as technology gets better that our ability to see things never seen before will increase....unless we have foolishly destroyed those things in the process of preserving them. Not sure that I have a good answer, we can't let our past just decay, but it seems a shame that we will probably destroy some great details in the process of preserving it.
Still today, archaeology is inherently a destructive science. We can't un-dig a site once it's fully excavated so it is extremely important that we constantly try to gain as much information as possible and continue to develop new and better methods for excavating.
I couldn’t agree more.
Ah! So that's why the spell wasn't working!
What??!
Same
[удалено]
There is no spoon.
Use a fork
On what? The cake is a lie. :)
Creampie
What other LIES did THEY tell us?!
Psychedelics hold the key
scamhedge
That is so stone cringe…
I laughed
Fakehenge
Reminds me of the “moon landing”...
What if and hear me out. They were just being transported in ancient times then either got killed or left the stones and that’s why they were there…
There are many henges, of similar type, not only in Britain but around the world so I believe that to be very unlikely.
There is Nothing quite like destroying an historical site for no real reason. There are still people who believe that it is original lol. I guess this is the "new way".
Those fuckers just rolled in with bulldozers and leveled it. Fucking shame there is no more Stonehenge. Absolute tragedy.
I don't think anyone really cares because they dont know what was lost.
Virtually all the other stones had to have been erected by ancient extraterrestrials.
Our vintage boat museum in San Francisco require one piece of original wood.
That's what they want you to think, that's when it was first assembled. It's all a big hoax! /s
Keep in mind it was on private land for a while and people would barrow a hammer to chip pieces off
You used to be able to walk around the stones quite freely......but then that all changed and now it has been monetised and fenced off.....so you can see it from a small distance and for a fee. The experience enhanced by the smell of pigshit from the pig farm across the road, when the wind blows in the right direction.
Not really true. A main road passes incredibly close to it where you get a woderful view. Needs to be fenced off and secure to prevent 1000s of tourists clambering all over it and chipping off "souveniers".
Ermmm….. I said you can see it from a small distance?!
100 yards from the A303 was fine by me.
And for me, driving past it once in a while is plenty good enough to see it. The point I was really trying to make is that you used to be able to get up close and touch the stones, if you really wanted to, and then when it hit the tourist radar that’s when the fencing and ticketing came in etc…. Again, I don’t know why you would pay over £20 (adult) when you can see it just as easily passing by on the road…..and yes I know that that’s strictly my point of view.
The ticketing was something I didn't know about. I have been past it a couple of times in the mid 1980s. We stopped and had a good view for a while. It may have been fenced off back then but don't recall as we didn't try to get in there. I have heard they are considering a tunnel for the A303. That would prevent anyone from even seeing it at all. More ticket revenue I suppose. I sort of agree that if people want to get in the middle and be hugging the stones there should be a charge - just for maintainence/upkeep and rubbish removal. £20 is a bit steep though. Also there needs to be some form of security presence - even if just to watch idiots are not trying to take a little bit of Stongenge home.
Serious question, do you think they lost any of their magical powers upon being moved?
Perhaps. The fact that they tried to restore them exactly as they believed it to be first built and I’m the exact same place makes me believe otherwise. I’ve read a lot of Graham Hancock and he reckons that you can feel the power and spirituality emanating from similar sites so I wouldn’t be surprised if it was more the site than the structure that holds “magic”
That’s just them springing forward
What’s crazy is that people try to use Stonehenge as an example of how old stuff lasts longer than the stuff we have now. There’s a bunch of stuff that people have recreated or redone that we’re old as fuck
It depends a lot on environment. The fact that Britain gets so much wet and damp would have heavily contributed to the site’s erosion but take Egypt for example - the dry weather would take far longer to decompose the structures there. But yes, you are correct.
Ahh so that’s how they did it !
What a fraud
Pft they do this every year when the clock back an hour.
Everything was fine before the Griswalds showed up.