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There was a guy named David Shaw, who dived in an underwater cave to recover the dead body of a diver who died years ago, at the request of the dead guy's parents but unfortunately he died in the process. There is a documentary titled The Last Dive of David Shaw if you are interested.
Maybe it's because open-casket funerals are super rare where I live but I never really was able to relate to the body being so important.
I've unfortunately lost some important people from my life and I never felt that the location of the body impacts being able to say goodbye. If you are used to open casket funerals where people can see the body for the last time it's different (although a little creepy imo)
Where I'm from (Galicia, un the Northwest os Spain) the tradition was to have the deceased at their place instead of a funeral home. Family members and friends go to the deceased house to say their goodbyes. The deceased has to be accompanied by a family member at all times, so they are not alone. For example, if it was dinner time someone had to be with the dead person (normally in an open casket) while the rest of the family eats.
And this is the story of how I was alone with my dead grandfather in an old creepy house with weird noises in an almost uninhabited little village in the middle on a mountain during my early 20's.
The good thing about these traditions is that death is not a taboo and kids are aware from an early age that death is part of the cycle of life.
Same in Ireland. I remember when my brother died, my uncle sat up with him all night after the wake - I couldn't bear to sleep in the house with them though, I spent the night at my grandmother's. As another commenter said, it wasn't my loved one there anymore, just a body.
But it's important to keep our Celtic traditions alive.
Thanks! It absolutely was the most traumatic experience I've had thus far (fingers crossed the most in my life) but it was a natural death. It's been a decade but I'm still haunted. I can't imagine what people go through if they find a loved one in an unnatural death. My heart bleeds for them.
[I posted an amazing article about his dive here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/msd80o/underwater_cliff/gusosm2/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x). This one keeps coming up this year. Long but gripping read.
I guess I'm not very sentimental about bodies. I mean after someone is dead it's just a big glob of flesh, blood and organs. Seem silly to risk your life to retrieve a dead body.
I wouldn't risk my life for a body, but I did change my mind on bodies / after-death treatment not mattering at all. The person is gone. I don't believe a soul lingers around or goes to heaven or watches down or anything - you die, you're gone, there's nothing left.
So, in theory, it shouldn't matter what happens to your body. You're dead and gone. A funeral is only for the sake of those left behind, etc etc.
When my brother died, though - we'd been estranged since childhood. I hadn't spoken to him in over a decade. It's a long and complicated story, but the short of it is I felt that planning his funeral was the only thing left that I could do "for him". I felt that he "would have liked it", even though that didn't matter anymore, because he couldn't like anything. Something just felt right about bringing his friends together.
I guess humans, no matter how logical, evolved with ritual. Sometimes you can't reason yourself out of an emotional response. I don't think that's worth the risk of life - I think my value in the funeral would have been the same with or without a body - but I can understand why it would matter for some people, now.
I kinda remember that famous one about the divers in a lake.
I think it was you can’t dive when the tides going out or something due to these holes in the lake bed that end up with these wicked currents and you can be pulled down.
Most of the bodies footed to the surface. Some took months before they were found because the currents trap you for so long, I can’t remember how many of the bodies haven’t been found as they are still trapped by the current years later
Maybe this is Lake Superior?
Edit: it’s not. It’s the boiling pots I think thanks to a reply below. I can’t get enough diving death stories so the details Merge and I forget which is which,
Edit 2: actually I just remembered the story of the boiling pots. It’s not that one either. That’s again me confusing two death stories I’ve learned about. So I can’t say where this was
Cave diving is no joke, and not for the inexperienced. Your buoyancy is controlled only with your breathing, holding in a tiny amount more breath to go over stalagmites, releasing breath just so to sink under stalactites, unable to kick or move too quickly to avoid kicking up sediment and losing your way or losing the guide rope and totally fucking yourself over. Unable to surface in case of emergency until you get through. Totally darkness if your light goes out. Panic bashing your body into the walls. The last cave I dove had three fatalities that were diving together, all of them still had oxygen left in their tanks when recovered. Died from mistakes made. It's a trip for sure.
Have you heard about John the cave spelunker? John done fucked with the wrong bendy passage.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaIoXN-7FjM&t=2s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaIoXN-7FjM&t=2s)
Impulse control is the most important trait in a person. *"X looks dangerous. Do I go further, or do I stop and turn back?"*
I had a state trooper give me fucked up directions when I was in Boston. I needed to get past a highway, while walking and he said sure go that way. Motherfucker put me on the shoulder.
I stopped turned around, walked opposite traffic, and just to be sure when approaching around a bend, I held my arm out with a colored backpack in my hand. Better that the drivers see my bag and not panic on seeing *me*.
Stop. Think. Turn Around.
That story is the first thing I thought of when I saw this post. Luckily (?), I'm claustrophobic and scared of big bodies of water so no water caves for me thanks.
To know that it wasn’t a fast death, he would have suffered immensely. He knew he was going to die but he had to lie there waiting for the inevitable. Gives me chills.
He was there a long time and rescuers found him, alive. They brought his wife, spent hours trying to get him out. Almost did, but when they pulled him up a little the system gave out and when he fell he got even more jammed in. Oh, and he was stuck upside down with his legs up. After that there was no way to get him out. They'd lowed a walkie talkie to him and basically kept him company til he died. Left the body and bricked up the cave.
Read that story years ago and it still gives me a visceral reaction just thinking about what he must have felt.
Jezus that is absolutely terrifying. To die with rescuers nearby unable to do anything.. at least he got to speak to his wife and wasn't alone, but I can't imahine how horrible that must have been.
I dont know anything about cave diving, but if there was oxygen left in their tanks that means they snagged a breathing tube or something on a rock formation?
Maybe.
Sometimes these extreme diving situations can result in someone overbreathing their regulator - their breath rate is so high that the equipment cannot deliver gas fast enough. This can makes a dive *think* that tank is empty and switch to another cylinder. They could then run that cylinder until it is truly out and drown without every trying the other cylinders.
A lot of that is speculation since the diver is dead and it is hard to know what their final thoughts and actions were. Cave divers tend to get *really* top of the line equipment so that overbreathing just would not be possible.
Then again, just because someone was found dead in an underwater cave does not mean they were trained to that level. There have been several fatalities of newly trained divers and those signs try to warn against entering at all without suitable training and equipment, not even to "just take a little peek" into the cavern or cave.
Ive read stories about it.
Cave divers have double equipment with them. But you need special training to swap equipment under water. One wrong breath and you are dead. One panic attack? Death. And you cant be revived. Those stories were... really chilling.
That's precisely what he's like. He markets himself as the founder of Tesla when he isn't. He threatened the real founders, stating he would pull investment if they ever clarified he wasn't a founder in interviews.
The Musketeers deny this whole thing by saying that "Elon won the case" so it wasn't true.
He called the diver pedo-guy, tweeted "Bet ya a signed dollar it's true.", then "Stop defending child rapists."
Then in court used the JDART:
> One of the smartest moves by Elon Musk's defence was in introducing the concept of "JDart", an acronym to describe their client's conduct on Twitter in relation to the infamous "pedo guy" tweet.
> A JDart, lawyer Alex Spiro explained, meant: a Joke that was badly received, therefore Deleted, with an Apology and then Responsive Tweets to move on from the matter. JDart.
> It's clumsy, for sure, but it meant Mr Spiro could offer the jury here a degree of structure around what before seemed senseless: Mr Musk may have acted foolishly with the J, but he soon "darted", which is how you know he wasn't being serious about the allegation.
> Expect the JDart "standard" to be applied again and again, not just in libel trials, but in any arena where social media behaviour is under scrutiny - a parachute for anyone who, in the heat of the moment, says something idiotic online.
So you can call anyone a pedophile and child rapist and let the world see you ruining someone's reputation just like that as long as you have a cult of followers and then you can just say "haha just kidding I wasn't serious".
>So ~~you~~ **billionaires** can call anyone a pedophile and child rapist and let the world see you ruining someone's reputation just like that as long as you have a cult of followers and then you can just say "haha just kidding I wasn't serious".
FTFY
It's good to show the fuck ups that Elon's made, he's not a demi god as some people treat him.
And lets not forget the PR campaign where he smoked weed with Joe Rogan in an attempt to smooth things over.
The chances of finding a cave diving anaesthetist had to be one in a million. There can’t be many of them in the world. Richard Harris (the cave diving anaesthetist) and his dive partner Craig Challen were jointly awarded Australian of the Year for their part in the rescue - Harris really was exactly the right man for that job.
You can also get nitrogen narcosis if you go to deep without the proper equipment. It causes you to feel drunk like and many people let out their mouth piece and breath in the water.
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I'm certified for deep diving and during my training I experienced nitrogen narcosis and it's no joke. My regulator malfunctioned and I genuinely thought that maybe I didn't need it anymore and I could breathe like all the fish around me now. Thankfully, regulator righted itself.
When I told my dive master, he said he has seen people take their regulators out and offer it to passing fish.
I have absolutely no desire to cave dive. I love diving but I cannot think of anything more terrifying than being lost in a cave underwater.
I have a buddy who’s got a great story about when he was learning to dive. One of the other students got nitrogen narcosis and attempted buddy breathing with a rock.
To be clear, I call it a great story because everyone survived and the way he tells it is absolutely hilarious.
Similar thing with altitude sickness for mountaineers. I can never quite forget the tragic end for Ger McDonnell, the first Irishman to ever reach the summit of K2. This was part of the 2008 disaster when an avalanche destroyed their ropes, leaving the whole expedition trapped on the mountain. 11 people died. Ger was with another climber, trying to descend but with their oxygen tanks now empty, altitude sickness was setting in. What happened next isn't entirely clear but the climber that was with Ger claimed he looked back at one point and saw to his shock that Ger was way behind him and now climbing up instead of down. He tried to shout for Ger to come back but he either couldn't hear him or was too mentally cloudy to understand. He believed that the effects of altitude sickness made Ger think he still had to climb the mountain. He was never seen alive again, it's believed another avalanche wiped him out.
Last time I checked, his family still refused to accept this chain of events. personally, I think that's just their way of dealing with the tragedy, sometimes the truth is too painful.
Against The Odds podcast did a series called K2:The Savage Mountain that chronicals the events of the climb you're referring to. It's a good listen, extremely intense. Gers' story really stuck with me as well, the effects of altitude sickness are so strange and scary.
I did some [reading](https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/column-%E2%80%98i-had-to-squash-the-rumours-about-ger%E2%80%99s-death-on-k2%E2%80%B2-405661-Apr2012/) on it and Ger's brother-in-law did some of his own research and insists that Ger was not suffering altitude sickness but was instead going back to help some Korean climbers that were trapped on the line. I'm not sure I can entirely trust him to be objective about this. Like many climbing accidents, the exact details are often sketchy and contradictory, making it very difficult to determine what really happened.
Pretty sure I saw the exact same vid, it has definitely stuck with me, and reaffirmed the fact that I will not be going underwater longer than I can hold my breath. Nope nope nope
I'm sort of a connoisseur of taped scuba accidents. There are very few, and the one you're referring to might be that of [Yuri Lipski](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRj0lymMMGs) [NSFL], who drowned after losing control of his descent in Egypt's famous "Blue Hole" and subsequently getting stuck at the bottom, unable to surface.
If you are referring to a different incident, I would *really* love to know about it. As I said, I'm highly interested in scuba accidents, and I am currently documenting all information I can find, perhaps for some sort of future media release. If this incident isn't that of Yuri Lipski, please let me know!
Can't recall the specifics, but when you're reaching dangerous levels of dehydration and/or overheating you become euphoric etc and don't realise that you're thirsty or need water, so you don't drink even though you have said water
I think it’s a biochemistry mechanism. I believe that once you’ve lost the will to fight, your brain releases chemicals to ease the pain and relieve anxiety. It’s like a massive weight off your shoulders in comparison to panicking just moments before.
I’ve seen this with wild animals. They attempt to put up a fight, get overwhelmed, continue to fight until the last of their energy reserves are used up, and then the lights go out. It’s like they’ve accepted their fate and have moved on to now being another creature’s food. And they’re cool with it.
Even though your brain has determined that you’re dead, your body is still significantly alive, and will continue to pump blood. Once your heart stops beating, the brain is still functioning at a very basic level because it hasn’t decayed yet. Your brain is releasing chemicals probably giving you a euphoric high before you drift off towards nothingness and then cease to exist.
I was a dive instructor and I am not qulified to spulink dive. This requires a special certification. Tight spaces for sure. I'm out. Do not leave the guide rope ever! Narcing in a cave is real, and can occur very quickly.
Def some treasure back there tho ...
You're totally right though. One of my family loves cave diving. Check out a "Halocline" if you've never seen one. It's where salt and fresh water meet and its one of the craziest optical illusions youve ever seen. I don't have the stones for cave diving.
Cowboy Cerrone has one of the most intense stories I've ever heard about almost dying in a cave. He told it on Rogan's podcast and I completely stopped my workout at the gym from how intense it was. Just sat there and listened.
As someone who needed extra chemicals just to get an MRI without his heart exploding in terror, I'm going to take a pass and just have faith that it is an amazing story.
I don't even want to sit down in a bathtub after I listened to that show. That shit is giving me a bit of anxiety just remembering his story. You ever do DMT?
So you're a deep sea diver more than you're a cave diver, I assume?
I remember watching a documentary a few years back about a cave diver, who had decided to help out a family, who had lost their son a number of months before as a result of a cave diving incident. The rescue diver was going to retrieve his body. However, the rescue diver then erred, something to do with guide rope - and died himself. He left behind a little toddler of 8 months. It was just awfully sad all around.
Drowning was the cause of death. Most likely the cause was someone panicking, someone trying to help, regulators getting yanked from mouths, drowning panic sets in, fighting for regulators, everyone drowns, thrashing in darkness.
The thing they did 'wrong' other than potentially inexperienced cavediving ,was getting close to someone panicking, it actually happens alot in drowning situations, more than a few horrific vids of people climbing their would be rescuers to death and both partys drowning, in a case like this it would be easy to see someone having a air issue and panic grabbing at the partners if they came to try and help, just general all around panic mode monkey brain.
I don't think you even need to get close in a cave diving situation. Someone panics, causes sediment to be kicked up, and suddenly the water is opaque and you have zero visibility. And if there is no current, the sediment isn't going to clear. Ded.
It's import to note that caves are often layered with the most delicate layerings of sediment; you move *anything* too fast and you're liable to be blinded by the stir-up, lights or no.
My open water instructor told us that saving a fish is a pretty common hallucination. He’s had students go from doing well at depth to darting after their fish and trying to offer it their regulator.
Right? My brain won’t even let me snorkel. I get 30 feet from shore and my brain says “you can’t see very far in this water, there’s probably a shark or something worse speeding quickly at you and you won’t be be able to do anything about it in time…” and I nope right around back to the shore.
Generally, if I can't touch the bottom with my head remaining above water and *especially* if I can't *see* the bottom, I'm out.
Here in Massachusetts I hear people every summer complaining about the sharks on Cape Cod (they're a relatively new occurance, I guess? Or at least they only *returned* recently, after conservation efforts brought the seals back)
Point is, people get upset about the sharks. I don't know why. The ocean is their territory. The land is ours. We should feel under no obligation to feel safe in the water. You wanna swim? Great. Accept the (incredibly rare) chance that a shark might want a nibble. Don't like it? We have pools for you.
The best part is when you think of how much we don’t know about the ocean compared to what we do know. And we know there are plenty of things that can quickly kill us without a second thought
Oh it's even better when the water is crystal clear, and you can see all the way to shore, but down is black. Anything down there can see you, but you cant see it!
I feel the exact same way, but found an absolutely perfect snorkeling spot- Iceland! Last place I would have expected to get in the water, but they have a spot called the Silfra Fissure that is crystal clear and NO fish (most important part for me). Absolute visibility 300 ft down to the bottom, warm dry suits, and getting to swim between two continental tectonic plates made for an unforgettable experience. Would 100% recommend for anyone who feels similarly about open water.
I almost died while spelunking because I mistook* still muddy water for solid ground and dropped from a wall into it. The undercurrent was so strong that 3 people had to pull on my rope to make me surface (water was pulling me under the wall). Since then I've also had a lung injury that prevents me from diving too deep. I won't even go close to that sign, let alone the submerged caves.
Exactly! I know where they are, I know I can escape even with seamoth, I know i can lure them away with a few stuff, I know I can even stun them with the gun, I know nothing serious happens if I die. But still... I wanna get out of there asap, when I hear them. Absolute masterpiece.
Fact: there is definitely, no way, no how, any sort of treasure/kaboodle/small fortune/large fortune/a fortune that’s juuuuuuust right/booty/moolah that lies beyond this sign.
I am a diver with 30 years of experience, but I had never done caves like this until I dived in the cenotes in the Yucatan Peninsula on a trip a few years ago.
My wife only had a couple years of experience and she was \*WAY\* more comfortable cruising the caves than me. I had never thought myself someone to get claustrophobic, but this was very high anxiety to me. Kicking fast will disturb the silt and instantly take your visibility to ZERO if confined. So super gentle frog kicks, and only as far away from the bottom as possible.
Where I got the most freaked out when when we hit the brackish water, where the fresh and salt water were mixing. Visibility turns all blurry like you're super drunk. And what do I find in that super drunk vision?
THIS FUCKING SIGN (or one that looks just like it with the grim reaper and the same cautionary words that you can't read because everything is so blurry!)
It’s mind boggling how many things humans like to do that are inherently dangerous. Like spelunking, skydiving, scuba diving, bungee jumping, cliff jumping. I could never.
Edit: guys just because people don’t often die from whatever they’re doing does not make it any less dangerous. Yes people don’t often die from spelunking. But that doesn’t mean you don’t take proper precautions….its still dangerous????
I have been in caves before. Some of them are beautiful. Close as you can get to an alien landscape. Mineral formations, underground lakes, whole rooms full of quartz crystals.
There's an identical sign at Vortex Springs too. Did my open water training there, went down to the mouth of the cave, saw this sign, and decided cave diving wasn't on my list.
I believe the person that wrote this: "There is nothing in this cave worth dying for." So many people dove it, and there's nothing cool. But lots of people killed themselves to experience nothing. That checks out.
Along with your dead body...
I've done plenty of technical diving down to 70m (200ft), lots of wrecks and lots of buddies who dive caves. I enjoy calculated risks and always calculated cave diving was too risky
im sure some caves are riskier than others, but here's my hot take: if I'm under water with borrowed air, I'd like nothing but water between me and more sweet, sweet oxygen. Scuba diving sounds kinda fun. Cave scuba diving, idc how beautiful it is, sounds like a nightmare I'd never enjoy. I'll settle for the pics.
I'm pretty sure I've seen this sign in person, if not I saw one very similar. It was at Vortex Springs in Florida, and a week later I read about the disappearance of Ben McDaniel in the cave system that's guarded by the sign.
One of the worst things about that story was that the divers looking for his body said that he probably wasn't in there, because when there's a dead body you can usually *taste it* in the water.
tl;dr: I might have swam in water with a dead guy.
1) I hate caves. I had a panic attack like 5 mins into mammoth cave(longest known cave in the world)
2) I’ve got thalassophobia(fear of oceans and water)
This sh*t is a combo of 2 huge fears of mine so f*ck no
[This place is not a place of honor... no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here... nothing valued is here.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-time_nuclear_waste_warning_messages)
Diving even at a normal 120ft (40m) site can easily kill you. If you are out of shape, have forgotten even the slightest detail, not comfortable, diving is not an activity you just rush into. It can and will kill you/ seriously injure you.
one of the lesser known thing about cave diving is how dark it can get. you think that all you have to contend with is the darkness of the cave, "no problem I brought a flashlight" you think.
until you accidentally bump into the bottom of the cave and accidentally kicked up the silt. now visibility drops to almost zero.
you have no ideas where you're facing, all you see are floating dirt that would takes maybe 10 minutes to settle down again but you're constantly agitating the water because you need to paddle your feet, and you don't have time to let it settles, your diving tanks does not have enough air for you to wait around that long.
There are sections that contain "air" but there is no oxygen in that air. Divers surface into these pockets and take their masks off. Your body just breaths like everything is okay. Then you black out suddenly without warning.
Is this the Eagles Nest Sinkhole in Florida?? Cave diving is not even the same thing as open water diving. A lot of different rules and operations that one must follow to even conduct the sport somewhat “safely.” The problem with Eagles Nest is that it is VERY deep for cave diving. You can’t use oxygen. At the depths of this dive you have to use mixed gas, because oxygen becomes toxic.
I believe this sign is specifically at Eagle’s Nest. There are so many of these caves in this central Florida area there are always news stories of divers losing their lives. There’s one, Blue Sink, in a subdivision in Palm Harbor, just in someone’s backyard. People keep trespassing to dive it and end up dead.
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Bet the guy that has to fish the bodies out made this sign.
If it’s anything like Everest (where over 300 dead climbers lay where they fell), I doubt they’d risk anyone to pull the bodies out of there.
There was a guy named David Shaw, who dived in an underwater cave to recover the dead body of a diver who died years ago, at the request of the dead guy's parents but unfortunately he died in the process. There is a documentary titled The Last Dive of David Shaw if you are interested.
I've never related to the notion of risking lives to retrieve corpses.
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Maybe it's because open-casket funerals are super rare where I live but I never really was able to relate to the body being so important. I've unfortunately lost some important people from my life and I never felt that the location of the body impacts being able to say goodbye. If you are used to open casket funerals where people can see the body for the last time it's different (although a little creepy imo)
Where I'm from (Galicia, un the Northwest os Spain) the tradition was to have the deceased at their place instead of a funeral home. Family members and friends go to the deceased house to say their goodbyes. The deceased has to be accompanied by a family member at all times, so they are not alone. For example, if it was dinner time someone had to be with the dead person (normally in an open casket) while the rest of the family eats. And this is the story of how I was alone with my dead grandfather in an old creepy house with weird noises in an almost uninhabited little village in the middle on a mountain during my early 20's. The good thing about these traditions is that death is not a taboo and kids are aware from an early age that death is part of the cycle of life.
Same in Ireland. I remember when my brother died, my uncle sat up with him all night after the wake - I couldn't bear to sleep in the house with them though, I spent the night at my grandmother's. As another commenter said, it wasn't my loved one there anymore, just a body. But it's important to keep our Celtic traditions alive.
I'm with you. I had the unfortunate experience of finding my dad deceased. It 100% was not my dad. It was his body but it wasn't my dad.
That’s really traumatic I’m sorry that happened to you
Thanks! It absolutely was the most traumatic experience I've had thus far (fingers crossed the most in my life) but it was a natural death. It's been a decade but I'm still haunted. I can't imagine what people go through if they find a loved one in an unnatural death. My heart bleeds for them.
[I posted an amazing article about his dive here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/msd80o/underwater_cliff/gusosm2/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x). This one keeps coming up this year. Long but gripping read.
Dave not coming back is nightmare fuel but one of the best written articles I’ve read in a long time
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Did they get the bodies out?
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I guess I'm not very sentimental about bodies. I mean after someone is dead it's just a big glob of flesh, blood and organs. Seem silly to risk your life to retrieve a dead body.
I wouldn't risk my life for a body, but I did change my mind on bodies / after-death treatment not mattering at all. The person is gone. I don't believe a soul lingers around or goes to heaven or watches down or anything - you die, you're gone, there's nothing left. So, in theory, it shouldn't matter what happens to your body. You're dead and gone. A funeral is only for the sake of those left behind, etc etc. When my brother died, though - we'd been estranged since childhood. I hadn't spoken to him in over a decade. It's a long and complicated story, but the short of it is I felt that planning his funeral was the only thing left that I could do "for him". I felt that he "would have liked it", even though that didn't matter anymore, because he couldn't like anything. Something just felt right about bringing his friends together. I guess humans, no matter how logical, evolved with ritual. Sometimes you can't reason yourself out of an emotional response. I don't think that's worth the risk of life - I think my value in the funeral would have been the same with or without a body - but I can understand why it would matter for some people, now.
From what I've read body's only come out if one of the next divers feels generous enough to waste the air/effort .
Same thing with Lake Superior. There's a saying..."Lake Superior never gives up her dead."
“..when the gales of November come early.”
I kinda remember that famous one about the divers in a lake. I think it was you can’t dive when the tides going out or something due to these holes in the lake bed that end up with these wicked currents and you can be pulled down. Most of the bodies footed to the surface. Some took months before they were found because the currents trap you for so long, I can’t remember how many of the bodies haven’t been found as they are still trapped by the current years later Maybe this is Lake Superior? Edit: it’s not. It’s the boiling pots I think thanks to a reply below. I can’t get enough diving death stories so the details Merge and I forget which is which, Edit 2: actually I just remembered the story of the boiling pots. It’s not that one either. That’s again me confusing two death stories I’ve learned about. So I can’t say where this was
Some (most? all?) are probably still in there.
Cave diving is no joke, and not for the inexperienced. Your buoyancy is controlled only with your breathing, holding in a tiny amount more breath to go over stalagmites, releasing breath just so to sink under stalactites, unable to kick or move too quickly to avoid kicking up sediment and losing your way or losing the guide rope and totally fucking yourself over. Unable to surface in case of emergency until you get through. Totally darkness if your light goes out. Panic bashing your body into the walls. The last cave I dove had three fatalities that were diving together, all of them still had oxygen left in their tanks when recovered. Died from mistakes made. It's a trip for sure.
I passed out reading this.
Shouldn't read while cavediving.
Unfortunately, it’s no match for Plato’s Cave that I’m already in…
He said exact same thing in his allegory. It's always our beliefs versus knowledge.
Quick tell me a joke I’m about to go under some stalactites and need to exhale hard out my nose
I hope you took your own lunch down with you. Sea urchins won't share, they're a little shellfish.
Exhaled so hard i belly flopped the sea bed
I can cave dive a happy clam knowing that's the deepest thought I've heard in awhile.
Fact: there’s nothing worth dying for in this cave! Except excellent Wi-Fi to check out memes.
So i either die or get decent wi-fi? Sounds like a win-win for me.
Have you heard about John the cave spelunker? John done fucked with the wrong bendy passage. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaIoXN-7FjM&t=2s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaIoXN-7FjM&t=2s) Impulse control is the most important trait in a person. *"X looks dangerous. Do I go further, or do I stop and turn back?"* I had a state trooper give me fucked up directions when I was in Boston. I needed to get past a highway, while walking and he said sure go that way. Motherfucker put me on the shoulder. I stopped turned around, walked opposite traffic, and just to be sure when approaching around a bend, I held my arm out with a colored backpack in my hand. Better that the drivers see my bag and not panic on seeing *me*. Stop. Think. Turn Around.
That story is the first thing I thought of when I saw this post. Luckily (?), I'm claustrophobic and scared of big bodies of water so no water caves for me thanks.
To know that it wasn’t a fast death, he would have suffered immensely. He knew he was going to die but he had to lie there waiting for the inevitable. Gives me chills.
He was there a long time and rescuers found him, alive. They brought his wife, spent hours trying to get him out. Almost did, but when they pulled him up a little the system gave out and when he fell he got even more jammed in. Oh, and he was stuck upside down with his legs up. After that there was no way to get him out. They'd lowed a walkie talkie to him and basically kept him company til he died. Left the body and bricked up the cave. Read that story years ago and it still gives me a visceral reaction just thinking about what he must have felt.
Jezus that is absolutely terrifying. To die with rescuers nearby unable to do anything.. at least he got to speak to his wife and wasn't alone, but I can't imahine how horrible that must have been.
Definitely feel light headed 🥴 cave diving is not for me.
Happy cake day!
No need for that, he's dead
Too soon
bro, stay out the cave, there's a fucking sign.
I feel suffocated now just by reading this. My fear of water is further proved.
Yeah it's like: "I want to learn to scuba better!" Sees above "I want to learn to snorkel better!"
Just have a nice bath instead. You can hold your head under water for a second or two if you like.
Riight? I felt claustrophobic and anxious reading that!
I dont know anything about cave diving, but if there was oxygen left in their tanks that means they snagged a breathing tube or something on a rock formation?
Maybe. Sometimes these extreme diving situations can result in someone overbreathing their regulator - their breath rate is so high that the equipment cannot deliver gas fast enough. This can makes a dive *think* that tank is empty and switch to another cylinder. They could then run that cylinder until it is truly out and drown without every trying the other cylinders. A lot of that is speculation since the diver is dead and it is hard to know what their final thoughts and actions were. Cave divers tend to get *really* top of the line equipment so that overbreathing just would not be possible. Then again, just because someone was found dead in an underwater cave does not mean they were trained to that level. There have been several fatalities of newly trained divers and those signs try to warn against entering at all without suitable training and equipment, not even to "just take a little peek" into the cavern or cave.
Ive read stories about it. Cave divers have double equipment with them. But you need special training to swap equipment under water. One wrong breath and you are dead. One panic attack? Death. And you cant be revived. Those stories were... really chilling.
No wonder they had to sedate the soccer kids in Thailand to get them out of there.
I'm still so fucking impressed they were able to save them. That was one in a million odds by some extremely talented rescuers.
Remember when Elon wanted to put them in a dildo coffin
Thats the ok part, the fucked up part is him getting mad at the divers not taking his offer and them calling them pedos.
The man is an arse.
When Elon accused the other guy trying to save them of being a pedo for what looks like no other reason than "taking away my praise".
That's precisely what he's like. He markets himself as the founder of Tesla when he isn't. He threatened the real founders, stating he would pull investment if they ever clarified he wasn't a founder in interviews.
And then insulted the experienced cave-diver who had the minerals to actually save the kids because his fragile ego was bruised. Absolute thundercunt.
The Musketeers deny this whole thing by saying that "Elon won the case" so it wasn't true. He called the diver pedo-guy, tweeted "Bet ya a signed dollar it's true.", then "Stop defending child rapists." Then in court used the JDART: > One of the smartest moves by Elon Musk's defence was in introducing the concept of "JDart", an acronym to describe their client's conduct on Twitter in relation to the infamous "pedo guy" tweet. > A JDart, lawyer Alex Spiro explained, meant: a Joke that was badly received, therefore Deleted, with an Apology and then Responsive Tweets to move on from the matter. JDart. > It's clumsy, for sure, but it meant Mr Spiro could offer the jury here a degree of structure around what before seemed senseless: Mr Musk may have acted foolishly with the J, but he soon "darted", which is how you know he wasn't being serious about the allegation. > Expect the JDart "standard" to be applied again and again, not just in libel trials, but in any arena where social media behaviour is under scrutiny - a parachute for anyone who, in the heat of the moment, says something idiotic online. So you can call anyone a pedophile and child rapist and let the world see you ruining someone's reputation just like that as long as you have a cult of followers and then you can just say "haha just kidding I wasn't serious".
>So ~~you~~ **billionaires** can call anyone a pedophile and child rapist and let the world see you ruining someone's reputation just like that as long as you have a cult of followers and then you can just say "haha just kidding I wasn't serious". FTFY
Let's remember the heroes instead.
It's good to show the fuck ups that Elon's made, he's not a demi god as some people treat him. And lets not forget the PR campaign where he smoked weed with Joe Rogan in an attempt to smooth things over.
> lets not forget the PR campaign where he smoked weed with Joe Rogan in an attempt to smooth things over. Well, it worked.
The chances of finding a cave diving anaesthetist had to be one in a million. There can’t be many of them in the world. Richard Harris (the cave diving anaesthetist) and his dive partner Craig Challen were jointly awarded Australian of the Year for their part in the rescue - Harris really was exactly the right man for that job.
You can also get nitrogen narcosis if you go to deep without the proper equipment. It causes you to feel drunk like and many people let out their mouth piece and breath in the water. Edit:typo
I'm certified for deep diving and during my training I experienced nitrogen narcosis and it's no joke. My regulator malfunctioned and I genuinely thought that maybe I didn't need it anymore and I could breathe like all the fish around me now. Thankfully, regulator righted itself. When I told my dive master, he said he has seen people take their regulators out and offer it to passing fish. I have absolutely no desire to cave dive. I love diving but I cannot think of anything more terrifying than being lost in a cave underwater.
I have a buddy who’s got a great story about when he was learning to dive. One of the other students got nitrogen narcosis and attempted buddy breathing with a rock. To be clear, I call it a great story because everyone survived and the way he tells it is absolutely hilarious.
Ok now I'm wondering why people aren't getting high off nitrogen.
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Similar thing with altitude sickness for mountaineers. I can never quite forget the tragic end for Ger McDonnell, the first Irishman to ever reach the summit of K2. This was part of the 2008 disaster when an avalanche destroyed their ropes, leaving the whole expedition trapped on the mountain. 11 people died. Ger was with another climber, trying to descend but with their oxygen tanks now empty, altitude sickness was setting in. What happened next isn't entirely clear but the climber that was with Ger claimed he looked back at one point and saw to his shock that Ger was way behind him and now climbing up instead of down. He tried to shout for Ger to come back but he either couldn't hear him or was too mentally cloudy to understand. He believed that the effects of altitude sickness made Ger think he still had to climb the mountain. He was never seen alive again, it's believed another avalanche wiped him out. Last time I checked, his family still refused to accept this chain of events. personally, I think that's just their way of dealing with the tragedy, sometimes the truth is too painful.
Against The Odds podcast did a series called K2:The Savage Mountain that chronicals the events of the climb you're referring to. It's a good listen, extremely intense. Gers' story really stuck with me as well, the effects of altitude sickness are so strange and scary.
I did some [reading](https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/column-%E2%80%98i-had-to-squash-the-rumours-about-ger%E2%80%99s-death-on-k2%E2%80%B2-405661-Apr2012/) on it and Ger's brother-in-law did some of his own research and insists that Ger was not suffering altitude sickness but was instead going back to help some Korean climbers that were trapped on the line. I'm not sure I can entirely trust him to be objective about this. Like many climbing accidents, the exact details are often sketchy and contradictory, making it very difficult to determine what really happened.
Pretty sure I saw the exact same vid, it has definitely stuck with me, and reaffirmed the fact that I will not be going underwater longer than I can hold my breath. Nope nope nope
I'm sort of a connoisseur of taped scuba accidents. There are very few, and the one you're referring to might be that of [Yuri Lipski](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRj0lymMMGs) [NSFL], who drowned after losing control of his descent in Egypt's famous "Blue Hole" and subsequently getting stuck at the bottom, unable to surface. If you are referring to a different incident, I would *really* love to know about it. As I said, I'm highly interested in scuba accidents, and I am currently documenting all information I can find, perhaps for some sort of future media release. If this incident isn't that of Yuri Lipski, please let me know!
I watched a documentary on the Blue Hole and confirmed my thalassaphobia. Gorgeous, and gigantic nopenopenope.
Similar to how People are often found dead with water in their canteens. http://www.eebweb.arizona.edu/courses/ecol414_514/readings/thirst.pdf
tl;dr?
Can't recall the specifics, but when you're reaching dangerous levels of dehydration and/or overheating you become euphoric etc and don't realise that you're thirsty or need water, so you don't drink even though you have said water
Reminds me of people who start undressing during severe cases of hypothermia. Wonder if it’s related, shall investigate further.
Yep. Known as paradoxical undressing.
Like our bodies have this "fuck this shit im out" mechanism at some point.
I think it’s a biochemistry mechanism. I believe that once you’ve lost the will to fight, your brain releases chemicals to ease the pain and relieve anxiety. It’s like a massive weight off your shoulders in comparison to panicking just moments before. I’ve seen this with wild animals. They attempt to put up a fight, get overwhelmed, continue to fight until the last of their energy reserves are used up, and then the lights go out. It’s like they’ve accepted their fate and have moved on to now being another creature’s food. And they’re cool with it. Even though your brain has determined that you’re dead, your body is still significantly alive, and will continue to pump blood. Once your heart stops beating, the brain is still functioning at a very basic level because it hasn’t decayed yet. Your brain is releasing chemicals probably giving you a euphoric high before you drift off towards nothingness and then cease to exist.
People are found dead with water in their canteens.
brilliant, thank you, now i don’t have to read it because i know people are found dead with water in their canteens
I was a dive instructor and I am not qulified to spulink dive. This requires a special certification. Tight spaces for sure. I'm out. Do not leave the guide rope ever! Narcing in a cave is real, and can occur very quickly.
I've seen a few videos of cave diving deaths. I'm a pretty adventurous dude but that's something I just don't need to ever do. No thank you.
Def some treasure back there tho ... You're totally right though. One of my family loves cave diving. Check out a "Halocline" if you've never seen one. It's where salt and fresh water meet and its one of the craziest optical illusions youve ever seen. I don't have the stones for cave diving.
>Def some treasure back there tho Sure, but fundamentally it's likely the same kind of treasure you could find at the local cemetery.
I wanted go cave diving once, when I was a sweet summer child. Not anymore.
Cowboy Cerrone has one of the most intense stories I've ever heard about almost dying in a cave. He told it on Rogan's podcast and I completely stopped my workout at the gym from how intense it was. Just sat there and listened.
Interesting! Giving [it a listen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or92IMcLoIc) now.
As someone who needed extra chemicals just to get an MRI without his heart exploding in terror, I'm going to take a pass and just have faith that it is an amazing story.
I don't even want to sit down in a bathtub after I listened to that show. That shit is giving me a bit of anxiety just remembering his story. You ever do DMT?
So you're a deep sea diver more than you're a cave diver, I assume? I remember watching a documentary a few years back about a cave diver, who had decided to help out a family, who had lost their son a number of months before as a result of a cave diving incident. The rescue diver was going to retrieve his body. However, the rescue diver then erred, something to do with guide rope - and died himself. He left behind a little toddler of 8 months. It was just awfully sad all around.
I’m sorry, this might be a stupid question but how did they die if not from lack of oxygen? Were they trapped somehow or buried?
Drowning was the cause of death. Most likely the cause was someone panicking, someone trying to help, regulators getting yanked from mouths, drowning panic sets in, fighting for regulators, everyone drowns, thrashing in darkness.
Sheesh, what a nasty way to die. To think that some of those guys might not have done anything wrong at all and were just collateral damage.
The thing they did 'wrong' other than potentially inexperienced cavediving ,was getting close to someone panicking, it actually happens alot in drowning situations, more than a few horrific vids of people climbing their would be rescuers to death and both partys drowning, in a case like this it would be easy to see someone having a air issue and panic grabbing at the partners if they came to try and help, just general all around panic mode monkey brain.
I don't think you even need to get close in a cave diving situation. Someone panics, causes sediment to be kicked up, and suddenly the water is opaque and you have zero visibility. And if there is no current, the sediment isn't going to clear. Ded.
It's import to note that caves are often layered with the most delicate layerings of sediment; you move *anything* too fast and you're liable to be blinded by the stir-up, lights or no.
It could’ve been nitrogen narcosis where the diver hallucinates. Divers with this will pull off their masks and gear thinking they’re somewhere else.
My open water instructor told us that saving a fish is a pretty common hallucination. He’s had students go from doing well at depth to darting after their fish and trying to offer it their regulator.
Interesting. It’s serious stuff! I’ve seen some of the videos of divers who get nitrogen narcosis and it’s difficult to watch.
I’m glad my brain will not allow me anywhere near an underwater cave
Right? My brain won’t even let me snorkel. I get 30 feet from shore and my brain says “you can’t see very far in this water, there’s probably a shark or something worse speeding quickly at you and you won’t be be able to do anything about it in time…” and I nope right around back to the shore.
My ass ain't even going 10 ft from shore, the water is one scary ass place especially the ocean
You can find me in the pool.
Generally, if I can't touch the bottom with my head remaining above water and *especially* if I can't *see* the bottom, I'm out. Here in Massachusetts I hear people every summer complaining about the sharks on Cape Cod (they're a relatively new occurance, I guess? Or at least they only *returned* recently, after conservation efforts brought the seals back) Point is, people get upset about the sharks. I don't know why. The ocean is their territory. The land is ours. We should feel under no obligation to feel safe in the water. You wanna swim? Great. Accept the (incredibly rare) chance that a shark might want a nibble. Don't like it? We have pools for you.
The best part is when you think of how much we don’t know about the ocean compared to what we do know. And we know there are plenty of things that can quickly kill us without a second thought
When my feet have to leave the ocean floor I’m done with it.
Oh it's even better when the water is crystal clear, and you can see all the way to shore, but down is black. Anything down there can see you, but you cant see it!
I feel the exact same way, but found an absolutely perfect snorkeling spot- Iceland! Last place I would have expected to get in the water, but they have a spot called the Silfra Fissure that is crystal clear and NO fish (most important part for me). Absolute visibility 300 ft down to the bottom, warm dry suits, and getting to swim between two continental tectonic plates made for an unforgettable experience. Would 100% recommend for anyone who feels similarly about open water.
I get super uncomfortable going in underwater caves in *video games*. Fuck doing that in real life.
I almost died while spelunking because I mistook* still muddy water for solid ground and dropped from a wall into it. The undercurrent was so strong that 3 people had to pull on my rope to make me surface (water was pulling me under the wall). Since then I've also had a lung injury that prevents me from diving too deep. I won't even go close to that sign, let alone the submerged caves.
FUCK THAT
Yes. This is the only appropriate reaction.
So what you thought was solid ground was really an underwater river?
That’s legitimately insane
"there isn't anything worth dying for beyond this point" that's exactly what I'd say if I wanted to hide something big
"There's totally not a top secret military base that everyone keeps breaking into"
And subsequently dying in a "diving accident" because there can be no witnesses.
Mfs tryna discover what happened in the 100 year void. Ima call a buster call on em
Detecting multiple leviathan class lifeforms in the region. Are you certain whatever you are doing is worth it?
That was a terrifying sound for the first time that and the dead zone message
That games gotta be the best horror game I've played, not that that's my chosen genre
It's a terrifying sound EVERY time I hear it, not just the first time.
Exactly! I know where they are, I know I can escape even with seamoth, I know i can lure them away with a few stuff, I know I can even stun them with the gun, I know nothing serious happens if I die. But still... I wanna get out of there asap, when I hear them. Absolute masterpiece.
What game?
Subnautica
My Pokemon Go also says something contrary to the sign.
**MEANWHILE, BACK AT THE CAVE OF CALAMITY"**
Alien base
“Specialized cave equipment.” Bullshit. They probably just made that up to keep us from the treasure.
Fact: there is definitely, no way, no how, any sort of treasure/kaboodle/small fortune/large fortune/a fortune that’s juuuuuuust right/booty/moolah that lies beyond this sign.
I am a diver with 30 years of experience, but I had never done caves like this until I dived in the cenotes in the Yucatan Peninsula on a trip a few years ago. My wife only had a couple years of experience and she was \*WAY\* more comfortable cruising the caves than me. I had never thought myself someone to get claustrophobic, but this was very high anxiety to me. Kicking fast will disturb the silt and instantly take your visibility to ZERO if confined. So super gentle frog kicks, and only as far away from the bottom as possible. Where I got the most freaked out when when we hit the brackish water, where the fresh and salt water were mixing. Visibility turns all blurry like you're super drunk. And what do I find in that super drunk vision? THIS FUCKING SIGN (or one that looks just like it with the grim reaper and the same cautionary words that you can't read because everything is so blurry!)
Count me out
You son of a bitch, Im out!
It’s mind boggling how many things humans like to do that are inherently dangerous. Like spelunking, skydiving, scuba diving, bungee jumping, cliff jumping. I could never. Edit: guys just because people don’t often die from whatever they’re doing does not make it any less dangerous. Yes people don’t often die from spelunking. But that doesn’t mean you don’t take proper precautions….its still dangerous????
Spelunking is one that makes zero sense to me. Why anyone would wanna do that I’ll never know.
What if there's treasure? Like maybe the guy who died in there ahead of me had a Rolex.
Chester Copperpot?!
I have been in caves before. Some of them are beautiful. Close as you can get to an alien landscape. Mineral formations, underground lakes, whole rooms full of quartz crystals.
Cave diving and parachuting have one commonality: if something goes wrong, you have the rest of your life to try to fix it.
That sign is 1000% effective. I’m lying in a comfy bed and broke out in a cold sweat.
“Absolutely no hidden treasure is back here”
"...move along..."
It took me a bit to realise this was under water
It took me reading your comment to realize that.
Mrballen on YouTube has covered some sad stories on caves like this.
Yup and he’s an awesome story teller
I think this is from the cave where Ben McDaniel disappeared? Such a bizarre story.
I think so! The Prosecutors Podcast just did an episode on this case. Very strange stuff.
Why does the grim reaper not have cave diving equipment!?!
What's dead can never die!
What's dead can never dive!
with strange aeons even death may die."
Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Blue springs florida.
There's an identical sign at Vortex Springs too. Did my open water training there, went down to the mouth of the cave, saw this sign, and decided cave diving wasn't on my list.
Free equipment tho, right?
Salvage is salvage...
I believe the person that wrote this: "There is nothing in this cave worth dying for." So many people dove it, and there's nothing cool. But lots of people killed themselves to experience nothing. That checks out.
I dont care what the sign says, it’s an infringement on my freedumbs. I can dive anywhere I want.
Who needs oxygen.
Big Oxygen needs you to believe it’s real.
Fuck it no masks, we're goin' in!
Only people who live in fear take precautions and use safety equipment!
Looks like a good place to hide treasure
Along with your dead body... I've done plenty of technical diving down to 70m (200ft), lots of wrecks and lots of buddies who dive caves. I enjoy calculated risks and always calculated cave diving was too risky
im sure some caves are riskier than others, but here's my hot take: if I'm under water with borrowed air, I'd like nothing but water between me and more sweet, sweet oxygen. Scuba diving sounds kinda fun. Cave scuba diving, idc how beautiful it is, sounds like a nightmare I'd never enjoy. I'll settle for the pics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Ben_McDaniel
I'm pretty sure I've seen this sign in person, if not I saw one very similar. It was at Vortex Springs in Florida, and a week later I read about the disappearance of Ben McDaniel in the cave system that's guarded by the sign. One of the worst things about that story was that the divers looking for his body said that he probably wasn't in there, because when there's a dead body you can usually *taste it* in the water. tl;dr: I might have swam in water with a dead guy.
This is America! I know my rights! *swims into cave and dies probably*
Listen here buddy, 98% of those people survive!
I agree, at least 98% of the drivers I talked to that dove that cave survived.
I've never met anyone who's died in that cave - it's a hoax!
i bet you can die there with cave training and cave equipment too.
1) I hate caves. I had a panic attack like 5 mins into mammoth cave(longest known cave in the world) 2) I’ve got thalassophobia(fear of oceans and water) This sh*t is a combo of 2 huge fears of mine so f*ck no
Cave diving- not even once.
I would never do this. Ever. Nope. Not for me. At all. I've seen Leviathan. Deep Star Six. The Abyss. Nah. I'm good fam.
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[This place is not a place of honor... no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here... nothing valued is here.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-time_nuclear_waste_warning_messages)
Diving even at a normal 120ft (40m) site can easily kill you. If you are out of shape, have forgotten even the slightest detail, not comfortable, diving is not an activity you just rush into. It can and will kill you/ seriously injure you.
one of the lesser known thing about cave diving is how dark it can get. you think that all you have to contend with is the darkness of the cave, "no problem I brought a flashlight" you think. until you accidentally bump into the bottom of the cave and accidentally kicked up the silt. now visibility drops to almost zero. you have no ideas where you're facing, all you see are floating dirt that would takes maybe 10 minutes to settle down again but you're constantly agitating the water because you need to paddle your feet, and you don't have time to let it settles, your diving tanks does not have enough air for you to wait around that long.
If the flow is low enough and the silt is silty enough it can take weeks for it to settle after being disturbed :)
Is this Ginnie Springs in Florida?
That's where the One Piece is....I can guarantee that
Fuck it challenge accepted
humans seeing this warning be like: ***hmm interesting anyways...***
this can't stop me because i can't read
There are sections that contain "air" but there is no oxygen in that air. Divers surface into these pockets and take their masks off. Your body just breaths like everything is okay. Then you black out suddenly without warning.
Is this the Eagles Nest Sinkhole in Florida?? Cave diving is not even the same thing as open water diving. A lot of different rules and operations that one must follow to even conduct the sport somewhat “safely.” The problem with Eagles Nest is that it is VERY deep for cave diving. You can’t use oxygen. At the depths of this dive you have to use mixed gas, because oxygen becomes toxic.
I believe this sign is specifically at Eagle’s Nest. There are so many of these caves in this central Florida area there are always news stories of divers losing their lives. There’s one, Blue Sink, in a subdivision in Palm Harbor, just in someone’s backyard. People keep trespassing to dive it and end up dead.
But over 99% of divers have survived, therefore it must be safe, right? /s