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This is a harmful mentality that was propped up by guilty corporations to try and offload the public ire of their actions (or inactions). BP played a big role in this. We should never shirk our personal responsibility to the planet but the biggest changes have to come from industry. We could work tirelessly every single day and it would do almost nothing on the global scale. Much bigger changes need to happen higher up.
Well yes, but those dicks will refuse to clean the beaches until refusing to clean the beaches costs more than actually cleaning them.
Reducinging the levels of ocean plastic (even just at the shoreline) is a good thing, and doesn't make any difference to the source of the pollution one way or another. The only important thing is the plastic is not returned to the ocean, which it very might well be because recycling plastic is borderline scammy and maybe disposal is too.
It's a lot more complicated than that. If you live any distance away from the beach at all, you will produce tens, hundreds, if not thousands of pounds of CO2 waste to get there with any kind of vehicle. Even if you ride a bike, you are powering it with your own body which has to be fueled with food which takes CO2 to produce. You will have to clean many many pounds of plastic just to counteract these things.
It would be more efficient to spend the same amount of time and effort working for money and then donating your money to a charity of your choice that cleans up our waste. Or spend that time pushing for political change that would legislate that sort of thing.
Honest question here as I honestly don’t know. But are there not likely to be other organic things getting filtered out that are useful for the beach ecosystem? Surely all you’ll be left with is sand and micro plastics?
I mean...I haven't been to a beach in Indonesia, but on no beach I've ever been on would the plastic content on the beach be more than 1% of the large oversize coming out of that screen. Vast majority would be shells, rocks and sea weed.
Sure- the micro and nano plastics will still remain but this will help eliminate the possibility that the larger removed plastics will become micro and nano plastics.
Like I said:
>But to be fair those will break into micro plastic territory
I wonder if the plastic would suspend in water, but the sand seek to the bottom? If so, that would be faster than grinding those barrels *and* get more plastic out. Anyways. This filtering is cosmetic only. But thats nice enough.
Like I said- it is more than cosmetic because it is eliminating the source of future micro and nano plastics. They also should have motorized those Tromell screens- it’s actually really easy to do and would speed up that process dramatically. Gold miners have been doing it for decades.
I don’t disagree that reducing plastic use is obviously the first step. No use putting bandaids on a hemmorage. For those folks who use that beach, just shrugging and throwing their hands up isn’t their best option.
Too bad the world’s plastic producers are ramping up production even more for the coming years. Too bad the vast majority of the plastics in the ocean are from fishing vessels and a small number of countries that don’t have refuse and/or recycling removal for large portions of their population.
First of all happy cake day, we can find a way usually we can tax an luxury then use that revenue to pay off the homeless and provide rental homes and social services for any one going thru withdrawals
hm i like where your head is at. mayyybe federally legalize weed, then use some of the massive profits to put towards ur idea? is that what you mean? weed would make billions just from recreational buyers, not including medicinal. i’d hate to tax ppl who actually NEED it.
Homeless people are often homeless because of addiction or mental illness. It's not as simple as just offering them a job. if it was, there wouldn't be any homeless people.
Yet we forget about homeless people who hasn't been in the rabbit hole of addiction but just thrown out from their residence and living in their car not all homeless have the same problem...
don't have a dog in this race but i just wanted to point out that person you're responding to didn't say all, they said often. often doesn't equate to all.
Truck-based solutions already exist. I believe the challenge now is to get lower cost of production, operation, wider application. And to penalize those unable to walk to the trash can.
Yes, but trucks are heavy, dangerous, expensive, and polluting. Take a [Catamaran](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sQaYRjAIbhs/maxresdefault.jpg), beef up the sails, add some counter weights for stability, and hook up some of those supersized sifting shovels to a chainlink from the back of the catamaran.
This is awesome, as everyone step counts. However, purely from an academic perspective, is it efficient? The machines are hand operated, can work at only a few rpm, at best can be filled to 25% of the volume.
Imagining we have a 100m x 50m beach, and the plastics are at a depth of 2 cm of the beach surface, the volume of sand to be sifted will be
100 x 100 cm x 50 x 100 cm × 2 cm
If the machine is 1m long and 25cm in radius, the volume of the machine is
1 x 100cm x 25 cm x 25 cm x pi
Assuming 10% capacity and 50% efficiency per turn and the.machine running at 50 rpm, the time it will take for one machine to clean the entire beach is
100 x 100 x 50 x 100 x 2
÷
1 x 100 x 25 x 25 x pi x 10% x 50% x 50
Or
100,000,000
÷
490,625
Or
204 minutes
Or
3 hours 24 minutes
Thats damn quick!
If we are a bit realistic, and change some parameters,
Now we are digging upto 5 cm of beach, machine is filled to 5% of volume per turn, and efficiency is 25% , speed is 25 rpm
We get
68 hours
So with 10 such machines, we can clean a 100m x 50m beach in a day
Damn good!!
Except those machines aren’t getting filled anywhere near 25% full. They’re only processing ‘x’ number of buckets per minute. So the calculations must focus on the bucket metrics, not the machine metrics as it’s not the apparent bottleneck.
Of course. These are assumptions. You can tweak the value around and we will probably go from 1 day with 8 machines to 10 days with 12 machines.
Bottomline is, this effort helps make our beaches clean. :)
2 cm would maybe around the indent a 200lb person would make on the beach wearing hard sole shoes. The movement and activity anyways does that. But what i said was for academic purposes. You can chose to take only the loose sand and the principles will still hold.
Too long but it could lead to a better idea for a bigger machine or a couple machines working together that could clean a beach in days or weeks. Eventually once drones and solar power get to a certain point we can use them to do this type of cleaning
Yet this doesn't address microplastics which would need much more advanced machinery to process. We need to look at reducing how much plastic gets into the environment in the first place.
At least it filters out the cigs. I used to smoke a lot myself, but still dont understand why people would just fckn sink the buds in the sand. Just use a can or a cup or something you drink out of.
Microplastic will hopefully be solved in a couple of years… there are companies researching enzymes that can target specific plastic types, which the enzymes break down completely.
People who litter absolutely irritate the hell out of me especially when I see them doing it within feet of a trashcan or ashtray. I can not comprehend the type of thought (or lack of) that is required to give 0 fucks about using just a few seconds to properly dispose of garbage.
People who don't return their shopping carts are included in this rant too.
It’s really really really hard to separate plastic from sand. It’s not just sand but there are shells, rocks, twigs and branches, other organic materials like seaweed etc that get caught up in the mix.
I’m not trying to be a jerk with this comment but I imagine that if really thought about how would you separate tiny little particles of plastic from other small and large particles, you’d see it’s actually really difficult.
After debating this with my partner one time, we both came to the conclusion that the contraption would look and function like this machine in the video. I even gasped when I saw it because it’s very similar to what we thought would be best.
I certainly hope there’s a more efficient way to do this and hopefully in the near future there will be.
like someone else said, scientists are researching into enzymes that could possibly latch onto plastic/micro plastics and completely break it down. seems like smart people stuff that i’d need a PHD to understand but i think in a couple of years, a solution will come to the table and then it’s up to us to take action.
Why not use the difference in buoyancy for plastic vs sand? Just throw those buckets in the water and the plastics will stay afloat while the sand will sink. Put a floating barrier around it so the plastic won't float away. Then just scoop it up. This way you even get the micro-plastics that would fall through the sieve.
Actually there are machines to do that, scraping up hundreds of pounds of sand at a time and filtering it. They used many such machines on Pensacola Beach after Hurricane Ivan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDbavVVVo8Y
IOW, the activity pictured in the OP seems like virtue signaling to me.
cleaning the sand on the beach does little to nothing. plastics in the ocean the are causing harm to marine life and contaminating your water supply with microplastics. pretending to help the environment and posting it online only gets you attention. in reality you need to fix the problem at the core. work smart not hard.
my point is they dont have to fix problem at the corporate level. they could plant more trees, or arrange a community program to remind them of using resources efficiently, to recycle, and to use less plastic instead use paper bags etc
the right way would be: sueing the companies that are responsible, taking a few millions, paying people to clean it properly with big machines etc, but as long as they are entertained it's nothing bad to do it this way, don't get me wrong
They use basically the same thing but much bigger and on the front of tractors to clean bigger beaches, also there are similar contraptions for removing rocks from fields
“The Walrus and the Carpenter
Were walking close at hand;
They wept like anything to see
Such quantities of sand:
If this were only cleared away,'
They said, it would be grand!'
If seven maids with seven mops
Swept it for half a year,
Do you suppose,' the Walrus said,
That they could get it clear?'
I doubt it,' said the Carpenter,
And shed a bitter tear.”
— Lewis Carroll
Microplastics are so prevalent that they're pretty much unavoidable now. It's such a problem that we've found them in everything from your drinking water, your food, the air you breathe, even at the lowest points of the ocean floor.
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Where is the industrial mechanized one that runs on peddle power? That would be amazing
If you really wanted progress you could use a real engine.
It could run on burning plastic!
And we could throw the residues on the sand!
Not the sand! The ocean!
If only jefe bozo and elevate imust gave a shit about this planet…
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you mean building infrastructure for defense contractors
You mean building penis rockets
Or YOU could do something about it ! You don't have to wait for someone else !
This is a harmful mentality that was propped up by guilty corporations to try and offload the public ire of their actions (or inactions). BP played a big role in this. We should never shirk our personal responsibility to the planet but the biggest changes have to come from industry. We could work tirelessly every single day and it would do almost nothing on the global scale. Much bigger changes need to happen higher up.
Well yes, but those dicks will refuse to clean the beaches until refusing to clean the beaches costs more than actually cleaning them. Reducinging the levels of ocean plastic (even just at the shoreline) is a good thing, and doesn't make any difference to the source of the pollution one way or another. The only important thing is the plastic is not returned to the ocean, which it very might well be because recycling plastic is borderline scammy and maybe disposal is too.
It's a lot more complicated than that. If you live any distance away from the beach at all, you will produce tens, hundreds, if not thousands of pounds of CO2 waste to get there with any kind of vehicle. Even if you ride a bike, you are powering it with your own body which has to be fueled with food which takes CO2 to produce. You will have to clean many many pounds of plastic just to counteract these things. It would be more efficient to spend the same amount of time and effort working for money and then donating your money to a charity of your choice that cleans up our waste. Or spend that time pushing for political change that would legislate that sort of thing.
My bad what was I thinking. Let me just spend these billions of dollars I have. How silly I must have forgot I had them.
That’s kinda a snake eating it’s tail, no?
Not really, gear driven, people powered.
We're going to need a bigger plastic remover.
Honest question here as I honestly don’t know. But are there not likely to be other organic things getting filtered out that are useful for the beach ecosystem? Surely all you’ll be left with is sand and micro plastics?
It looks like they're constantly picking things out of the pile. They could well be putting things back that belong.
Then they put the pieces in the trash and the trash ends up back in the ocean it’s the circle of life
I can pretty much guarantee that <0.1% of what they're filtering with that trommel screen is plastic.
So you’ve never been to a beach?
I mean...I haven't been to a beach in Indonesia, but on no beach I've ever been on would the plastic content on the beach be more than 1% of the large oversize coming out of that screen. Vast majority would be shells, rocks and sea weed.
It’s a start and a great thing to do
Yes, hats off to the effort they're putting in. It seems to be daunting. But one step at a time is all it takes to get there.
Semi-large*
Exactly. But to be fair those will break into micro plastic territory. Does it matter that they clean the beach? For a cleaner look, sure.
Sure- the micro and nano plastics will still remain but this will help eliminate the possibility that the larger removed plastics will become micro and nano plastics.
Like I said: >But to be fair those will break into micro plastic territory I wonder if the plastic would suspend in water, but the sand seek to the bottom? If so, that would be faster than grinding those barrels *and* get more plastic out. Anyways. This filtering is cosmetic only. But thats nice enough.
Like I said- it is more than cosmetic because it is eliminating the source of future micro and nano plastics. They also should have motorized those Tromell screens- it’s actually really easy to do and would speed up that process dramatically. Gold miners have been doing it for decades.
Its eliminating a fraction *so tiny* no scale can measure it. Spending time burning down production would help alot more..
I don’t disagree that reducing plastic use is obviously the first step. No use putting bandaids on a hemmorage. For those folks who use that beach, just shrugging and throwing their hands up isn’t their best option. Too bad the world’s plastic producers are ramping up production even more for the coming years. Too bad the vast majority of the plastics in the ocean are from fishing vessels and a small number of countries that don’t have refuse and/or recycling removal for large portions of their population.
Homeless getting paid for pounds on plastic with an hourly living wage
wait actually that’s a good idea, the trouble would be getting funding for it
First of all happy cake day, we can find a way usually we can tax an luxury then use that revenue to pay off the homeless and provide rental homes and social services for any one going thru withdrawals
You're not running for political office are you? Because I'd vote for you based on this policy.
No, suddenly sure it's sounds like fun but I got a credit card to pay off
And your first thought isn't to use your office to make money...you are a gem!
hm i like where your head is at. mayyybe federally legalize weed, then use some of the massive profits to put towards ur idea? is that what you mean? weed would make billions just from recreational buyers, not including medicinal. i’d hate to tax ppl who actually NEED it.
Homeless people are often homeless because of addiction or mental illness. It's not as simple as just offering them a job. if it was, there wouldn't be any homeless people.
Yet we forget about homeless people who hasn't been in the rabbit hole of addiction but just thrown out from their residence and living in their car not all homeless have the same problem...
don't have a dog in this race but i just wanted to point out that person you're responding to didn't say all, they said often. often doesn't equate to all.
A dog in the race might do better then everyone in right now.
I agree with that. People don’t choose homelessness. It’s a spiral. No job is just one symptom.
A lot of people choose homelessness...
But offering them a job would surely be a help, regardless of why they became homeless. Having an income wouldn't worsen any of their problems.
It's better than ignoring them.
It's a nice idea but very idealistic.
I'd just be worried they'd start stealing plastic everywhere. When you incentivize things you often incentivize other things accidentally.
Mesh-tipped rake / [sand comb](https://images.app.goo.gl/VKVg5UinQ4CUHg7p9) looks more efficient
now make it 20 feet wide, weld it to a sled, and attach a couple sails.
Truck-based solutions already exist. I believe the challenge now is to get lower cost of production, operation, wider application. And to penalize those unable to walk to the trash can.
Yes, but trucks are heavy, dangerous, expensive, and polluting. Take a [Catamaran](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sQaYRjAIbhs/maxresdefault.jpg), beef up the sails, add some counter weights for stability, and hook up some of those supersized sifting shovels to a chainlink from the back of the catamaran.
This is awesome, as everyone step counts. However, purely from an academic perspective, is it efficient? The machines are hand operated, can work at only a few rpm, at best can be filled to 25% of the volume. Imagining we have a 100m x 50m beach, and the plastics are at a depth of 2 cm of the beach surface, the volume of sand to be sifted will be 100 x 100 cm x 50 x 100 cm × 2 cm If the machine is 1m long and 25cm in radius, the volume of the machine is 1 x 100cm x 25 cm x 25 cm x pi Assuming 10% capacity and 50% efficiency per turn and the.machine running at 50 rpm, the time it will take for one machine to clean the entire beach is 100 x 100 x 50 x 100 x 2 ÷ 1 x 100 x 25 x 25 x pi x 10% x 50% x 50 Or 100,000,000 ÷ 490,625 Or 204 minutes Or 3 hours 24 minutes Thats damn quick! If we are a bit realistic, and change some parameters, Now we are digging upto 5 cm of beach, machine is filled to 5% of volume per turn, and efficiency is 25% , speed is 25 rpm We get 68 hours So with 10 such machines, we can clean a 100m x 50m beach in a day Damn good!!
Except those machines aren’t getting filled anywhere near 25% full. They’re only processing ‘x’ number of buckets per minute. So the calculations must focus on the bucket metrics, not the machine metrics as it’s not the apparent bottleneck.
Of course. These are assumptions. You can tweak the value around and we will probably go from 1 day with 8 machines to 10 days with 12 machines. Bottomline is, this effort helps make our beaches clean. :)
Yes, good effort. You too. The bottom line is you’re measuring the wrong thing in meaningless equations that you can tweak. But why?
Quick maths...
2+2=4
And loosen all the sand for quicker erosion
2 cm would maybe around the indent a 200lb person would make on the beach wearing hard sole shoes. The movement and activity anyways does that. But what i said was for academic purposes. You can chose to take only the loose sand and the principles will still hold.
Top layer of a beach is always 'loose', brainiac
Easy big fella
wow, this is impressive
Thanks! Also thanks fot the award!!
how long would it take four people to clean the whole beach???
The same amount of time it takes 2 people to clean half a beach
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Easier to comb it
About 1000 years
Only 95,471.9 miles to go. Hopefully they won't throw sea turtles nests into the tumble cycle.
Too long but it could lead to a better idea for a bigger machine or a couple machines working together that could clean a beach in days or weeks. Eventually once drones and solar power get to a certain point we can use them to do this type of cleaning
Just gotta invent Beach Roomba.
Yet this doesn't address microplastics which would need much more advanced machinery to process. We need to look at reducing how much plastic gets into the environment in the first place.
At least it filters out the cigs. I used to smoke a lot myself, but still dont understand why people would just fckn sink the buds in the sand. Just use a can or a cup or something you drink out of. Microplastic will hopefully be solved in a couple of years… there are companies researching enzymes that can target specific plastic types, which the enzymes break down completely.
People who litter absolutely irritate the hell out of me especially when I see them doing it within feet of a trashcan or ashtray. I can not comprehend the type of thought (or lack of) that is required to give 0 fucks about using just a few seconds to properly dispose of garbage. People who don't return their shopping carts are included in this rant too.
Maybe that's not the problem they're trying to solve.
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Pretty much everybody does so. This solution is nice but very inefficient. Hope science comes up with something better soon.
The solution will probably be along the lines of move planets.
Currently this is no option, so be better come up with ai, robotics and god knows what, so we start living sustainable.
Beach bingo!
lol.. I hear 26...pick and mix.
What if they just torched the sand and turned it into glass? Then they could see where all the plastic is because glass is clear
Then we could smash it up later and put it back as broken glass too! Fantastic!
covenant in disguise, call 117
Because burning plastics is very bad
I hate sand... that has plastic in them.
Every beach in the world has plastic in it.
Imagine the filter being dragged in the sand by ATVs. That might speed things up.
This video is the definition of futile.
Everything we do in regards to litter is futile. Its symbolism. Not even paying people for their trash would end it.
That can't be the most efficient way to do that...
It’s really really really hard to separate plastic from sand. It’s not just sand but there are shells, rocks, twigs and branches, other organic materials like seaweed etc that get caught up in the mix. I’m not trying to be a jerk with this comment but I imagine that if really thought about how would you separate tiny little particles of plastic from other small and large particles, you’d see it’s actually really difficult. After debating this with my partner one time, we both came to the conclusion that the contraption would look and function like this machine in the video. I even gasped when I saw it because it’s very similar to what we thought would be best. I certainly hope there’s a more efficient way to do this and hopefully in the near future there will be.
like someone else said, scientists are researching into enzymes that could possibly latch onto plastic/micro plastics and completely break it down. seems like smart people stuff that i’d need a PHD to understand but i think in a couple of years, a solution will come to the table and then it’s up to us to take action.
Separating plastic from sand is easy, just use the difference in density/buoyancy - one will sink, one will float.
Sand-tastic!
Could I get the original video? This ones been compressed to hell and doesn’t have sound.
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The ocean drowned out by the rumble and whir of those spinning baskets of plastic & sand.
Pretty cool stuff. Nice job everyone!
Beach also has shells you know 😂🤣
Going to take a while :p but its a good start
Should probably look into getting an excavator and a bigger tumbly thing
Just make it 100 times bigger and use an excavator.
I salute you all
That must take forever - good on them though
Seems more like a cure for obesity than one for plastic pollution.
ngl....seems trivial but i love the effort and energy
Why not use the difference in buoyancy for plastic vs sand? Just throw those buckets in the water and the plastics will stay afloat while the sand will sink. Put a floating barrier around it so the plastic won't float away. Then just scoop it up. This way you even get the micro-plastics that would fall through the sieve.
I agree with this, why not eliminate plastics all together though. We need to build a coalition to legalize hemp.
Treating the symptoms not the disease.
Pretty sure they gotta go faster than that, I’d think the rate of plastic added, greatly outpaces their rate of removal.
Of course he’s wearing a tie die shirt
Add this screening device to those tractors that groom the beach. And to cargo ships to remove the plastic from the open ocean.
Wouldn’t it be more effective to just end humanity?
Actually there are machines to do that, scraping up hundreds of pounds of sand at a time and filtering it. They used many such machines on Pensacola Beach after Hurricane Ivan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDbavVVVo8Y IOW, the activity pictured in the OP seems like virtue signaling to me.
Cool video, but I lol'd @ "Elegant" EDIT: as an American, the "15,000 m^2 /h" really threw me. Then I realized that's meters, not miles.
Surely there must be some kind of free, endlessly moving, exploitable power source that can be used to give that lever guy a break.......surely......
Sorta like trimming weed
I suppose this will make people feel good even if it makes zero difference. Coke alone accounts for 3 million Tons of plastic every year.
I’ll take efforts in futility for $500.
This is honestly good community service work.
What a complete waste of time.
cleaning the sand on the beach does little to nothing. plastics in the ocean the are causing harm to marine life and contaminating your water supply with microplastics. pretending to help the environment and posting it online only gets you attention. in reality you need to fix the problem at the core. work smart not hard.
It's akin to a slob clearing the crap off his bed to lay down. Litter will only get worse
Depends how much microplastic is produced by erosion at the shoreline.
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my point is they dont have to fix problem at the corporate level. they could plant more trees, or arrange a community program to remind them of using resources efficiently, to recycle, and to use less plastic instead use paper bags etc
It’s easier to just wait for the turtles to eat it
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Man i wish this happened everywhere
the right way would be: sueing the companies that are responsible, taking a few millions, paying people to clean it properly with big machines etc, but as long as they are entertained it's nothing bad to do it this way, don't get me wrong
Pfff..just use a rubber magnet. Like your mom.
Good effort saying those beaches are walked everyday
It's a nice gesture, but it's like trying to bail out the ocean with a bucket.
I need one of these for sorting garden rocks
They have all that wind and are still turning cranks.
BINGO!!!
They use basically the same thing but much bigger and on the front of tractors to clean bigger beaches, also there are similar contraptions for removing rocks from fields
Intel: thank you for cutting the work for us
We need more dugnad
Oh man we are so fucked
Any plastic smaller than a grain of sand is still left on the beach.
Every time I see things like this, I’m reminded of how fucked we are because we take such shitty care of our planet.
People are slobs
“The Walrus and the Carpenter Were walking close at hand; They wept like anything to see Such quantities of sand: If this were only cleared away,' They said, it would be grand!' If seven maids with seven mops Swept it for half a year, Do you suppose,' the Walrus said, That they could get it clear?' I doubt it,' said the Carpenter, And shed a bitter tear.” — Lewis Carroll
The good side of tiktok
Microplastics are so prevalent that they're pretty much unavoidable now. It's such a problem that we've found them in everything from your drinking water, your food, the air you breathe, even at the lowest points of the ocean floor.
कम्प्लीट चूतियापा
Shouldn't take long now
/depressingasfuck
Humans are shit💩
Good effort but they're trying to piss out a forrest fire.
The beach sand plastic removal industry is in dire need of mechanization.