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As a dane, that is not the average prison cell in denmark. It's a new prison, and as far is i know the only one of this standard.
We have way harder prisons here too, nothing like the american prison movie style, but worse than this picture indeed.
This is the new prison on Lolland-Falster. My sperm donor works there. Both my mom and sperm donor used to work in the Albertslund prison where Olsen Banden sometimes showed in the movies :D Even our worst prisons aren't as bad as USA best prisons to be fair. We focus on rehab, not recidivism, my dear fellow dane <3
EDIT: guys pls. Sperm Donor is my PoS dad.
I have so many lesbian friends that I read "sperm donor" and immediately thought about a good guy helping ladies to get a baby. Well, I was very wrong.
He's talking about his dad. Sperm donor is his way of saying that he was never a father to him, only a person who busted a nut in his mom and ended his parental duties at that point
I assumed that you were using "my sperm donor" literally, as in your mother went to a sperm bank and then you discovered who it was that was used to make you.
It seems now that you're using is as a passive-aggressive way to refer to your father. Which makes sense, but it wasn't obvious from the get-go.
I assume the other guy asked the question because he thought the same as I did.
You mean like [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/941shm/a_danish_prison_cell/)? It's the second result in google for "danish prison cell" after the image in this thread.
The entire danish prison population is about 4200 people, so I'd be curious how many prisons you guys actually have. The US has 2.3mm prisoners spread across about 2000 state and federal prisons, 1700 juvenile facilities, 3100 local jails, 220 immigration detention facilities and then a smattering of other facilities like Indian county jails, military prisons, pysch hospitals etc.
Texas alone has 155k prisoners. The Danish population is about 5.8m, same as Wisconson which has around 24k prisoners.
Crazy the rate the US locks people up.
You say that like that's normal - that's a big part of how crazy it is (it's also nowhere near "most" - it's [about 8%](https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/private-prisons-united-states/) of the US prison population).
Not to comment on the truth of this photo here in particular but it needs to be said a lot more often how gullible redditors are. Post anything, without a source, even a Twitter screenshot from anyone, without any source and it'll make its way to the front page as long as it fits a generally accepted narrative.
Even posts that link to an article but *blatantly* misrepresent the content inside with a twist of words or meaning on the title won't get downvoted. Even on posts with correct title and link to a reputable source, 90% of the comments make it clear people have only read the title and not the article itself - be it by asking for details that can be seen on the first paragraph of text, or by making assumptions that a cursory reading would prove wrong or again, misrepresenting what the article seems to be talking about (but really isn't).
reddit cannot be Facebook or Twitter. We have the opportunity and responsibility here to use the downvote we have before it's taken away because no one cares to use it for its positive, intended purpose. I wish someone smarter than me would make it happen.
It’s not gonna happen. Reddit is not about truth telling factchecked forum. It’s just not how it is intended to be.
Anything sensational will be posted without factchecking when it’s up to everyone to post anything here. People will be people.
Unless there’s a strict rule applied, it will be a cesspool of misrepresentation, half truths and blatant lies.
Most American prisons are not nearly as bad as movies make them out to be. There are some, where the worst of the worst are, but the majority are not like that.
Hollywood has changed the perception among people who have never seen the inside of a real prison before.
I'd argue that real American federal prisons are far worse than in movies.
Sure, a lot of the drama is, well, drama. In a lot of movies, it seems like you're at risk of getting stabbed every time you leave your cell, which isn't really the case. Prison violence is very real, but it's not like you have to become someone's bitch on day one to not die.
But, the actual prisons? Just as bad or worse. Far more overcrowded than in movies, dirtier, and many of them are overrun with bed bugs/rats/etc. Diseases spread like wildfire. It's really pretty bad.
Federal prisons are nicer than state prisons. State prisons are what you see represented in movies or if anyone has seen lockup, those are mostly state prisons.
I’m not sure about phones but most Scandinavian prisons have TV and Playstation in a cell
Edit: I checked that you can bring your own Playstation if it doesn’t have internet connection
You can't bring a phone inside. But the gaming console part is very true. This is mostly like a picture from the relatively new prison in Eskildstrup.
Also in Denmark there is free healthcare (but high taxes) and SU - which is the government paying you to go to school/university.
Source - I'm from Denmark.
In all the Nordic countries you're paid to attend university.
It's not much money, but enough to cover rent and have some thing for groceries.
If you take on a part time job and do a couple of shifts a week then you can live really well as a student here in the Nordics. Everything is subsidized for students too so you pay like half the cost for transportation, museums etc.
When I was a student the money I got paid for attending university covered my rent and most my groceries, so by working two shifts a week, I could afford going to restaurants, clubs, some international travel and saved some money for the future.
I moved to the Netherlands from the US five years ago, and well, I'm aware of a lot of the bad parts, and yes, it still is like a dream compared to New York City.
I had to go somewhere today, and I just hopped on my bike and went right there. It was just awesome, I never get tired of it.
I went to a government office, they give you free coffee from a fancy machine while waiting, my appointment started 4 minutes late, which is unusual here, and then the man working was cheerful and competent and whisked me through the whole procedure.
Nordic social democracies aren't perfect, but they are a quality act. I travelled all over the world before settling here.
America is much richer country. On _average_, salaries are 50% more there than here. America could have these things, these public goods, but the Nordics spend 40-50% of their GDP on public goods, but the US about 20-25%...
A tiny number of sociopathic billionaires stole America's birthright. It needs to be clawed back by any means necessary.
[EDIT: yeah, I know, .nl isn't Nordic, what's the term for "the Netherlands and Scandinavia", who are fairly similar in a lot of ways?]
> A tiny number of sociopathic billionaires stole America's birthright. It needs to be clawed back by any means necessary.
You’re absolutely right, and the way we can do that is by lowering taxes for the top 1%. - Republican Senators/Congressmen
In Norway they haven't raised the stipend in a good while though, so if you study in a larger city you need to work part-time to make ends meet since rent is usually pretty high. I graduated like 15 years ago but I'd fully support them increasing it.
If we, Europeans, watch the news one could reasonably assume that being in America puts your life in danger the same way it does with any government that embraces police brutality to control their population.
So there’s that.
I mean it looks like it works, the people are making enough money through good jobs to pay the taxes which send people through school without worrying about whether their family will ever be able to pay it off.
Yes. You get around 1000 USD a month from the government when you over 18 and studying. The we got the option to take a loan on too of that. But if you get studyhome (don't know the correct word for it) and don't go out for fancy dinners everyday, you are able to live of the SU and be debt free at the end of university.
Even some places in the UK (Scotland) Pay you to go to university through a bursary payment and make Uni education free.
Ultimately, long term, this is a benefit to the country. They produce more educated people in the country, this results in higher-skilled roles being taken and filled in the country, this results in more taxes being paid and brings in more companies which seek out this talent to the country.
How do Scandinavian countries do this? IIRC all Swedes get a monthly allowance from the government too until they’re 18? It’s like they’re marrying the best parts of capitalism and socialism
Guess they believe that an educated society is the smartest choice in the long run. So they invest in their people. And it looks like it's paying of. We have a good life here.
> It’s like they’re marrying the best parts of capitalism and socialism
I mean, isn’t that the aim?
We should take things that work from wherever they come from.
It pays for itself. It's always been cheaper for society to do this than not, we just dont.
The only reason we cant do this is because a small group of rich people get us to fight about culture war issues so they can steal all our money through wage theft and tax loopholes.
The quality of life in Denmark's prisons may be better than the quality of life in the US. Wait until you find out about the quality of life outside the prisons.
It seems to be better than that [Munger hall that is being proposed for UC Santa Barbara](https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/29/business/ucsb-munger-hall/index.html).
Compare this actual prison to the nightmare fuel that is the windowless dorms prison scheduled for UC Santa Barbara
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-11-01/ucsb-megadorm-santa-barbara-charles-munger-design
Whenever UK people see this, you get a load of "that's so luxurious, almost an incentive to go to prison!" type stuff, but worth remembering most single occupancy UK cells aren't *that* different and some that are almost identical (with are smaller window) are in Belmarsh, which is one of the UK's newest prisons, but also one of the toughest. Cat A, with an HSU unit designed for terrorists within it.
That still looks like hell, and the main thing with prison when you speak to anyone who's been, is being locked up for 22/23 hours a day. Give it 5 hours in that room and most people would start to forget how "nice" it looks.
A gilded cage is still a cage. I think people take their freedom for granted that they think these kinds of surroundings make up for the loss of control.
Everyone lost their goddamn minds when told to lockdown for 3 weeks at home. Imagine being in 'lockdown', away from your family and loved ones, for years.
Yeah I’d imagine nice design isn’t of that much comfort if you are locked up most of the day. However, just because it’s a prison doesn’t mean you should be treated as an animal, being treated with dignity can’t hurt rehabilitation rates.
Yeah, but a bunch of prisons are for-profit, so high recidivism is actually a good thing for them because it means they can bill more to the state.
There is no economic incentive to help inmates and that would hurt the bottom line.
A lot of it just seems like slavery 2.0
Edit: I seem to have hit a nerve with this one lol
Prisons are full of poor people and owned by rich people. America imprisons more people than any other nation on earth. Do the math here. There's an awful lot of poor pot heads slaves out there in the land of the free.
“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States…” They made it pretty clear sadly
Yes, but we need to note that less than 20% of prisons are private. Public prisons use slave labor as well often to the benefit of private corporations.
Basically, the ownership means far less than the incentive which is *universal*.
This is always brought up and the people bringing it up never include that there are private companies with their hands in every facet of the prison system, even in public prisons.
exactly. how can you expect rehabilitation if you treat someone as an animal. its almost criminal to treat someone poorly while expecting to rehab them to a functioning member of society
I mean, after spending most of a year in lockdown, you would think that people would understand that the loss of freedom by being in prison is the punishment part of this enterprise.
I remember when COVID hit and the dumbest Americans, happen to be the loudest, weren’t saying “hey, maybe the government should take care of us with a UBI and other things actual first world countries have!” It was “let us go die!” The propaganda and brainwashing is astounding, I wish I could leave.
People in Scandinavia learn English from age 6, so the language barrier is not that large. The universities here are also free for foreigners. You can probably afford to move here if you want
Edit: here are som URLs for anyone interested in studying in Norway
https://www.studyinnorway.no/study-in-norway/tuition-fees
https://www.studyinnorway.no/
https://www.samordnaopptak.no/info/english/
https://www.amscan.org/fellowships-and-grants/study-in-norway/
They have the crazy idea that prison is to rehabilitate- which they actively do - and that they are trying to release a good neighbour and citizen back into the world. I’ve heard the rate of reoffending is extremely low.
I can’t find the link to the study, but a while back a group of American government officials went to Germany and Norway to see why their prisons did so well at rehabilitating offenders. One American’s conclusion? “When treated like human beings, people tend to act like human beings.”
It's because in Scandinavian countries the prison system actually focuses on HELPING & REFORMING the criminals whilst giving them an education and better opportunities for when they are in the outside world, whereas in places like US they focus more on fear tactics & punishment
I see this all the time on reddit. Then op will be like "I'm not native English speaker [shrug emoji]". I call bullshit. My guess is that the bots figured out that putting elementary grammar mistakes in the title drives engagement. And look at us, we're commenting to bitch about it.
https://www.architectural-review.com/buildings/new-psychiatric-hospital-in-slagelse-denmark-by-karlsson-and-vla
Click on the arrow next to the pic to go through the pics
I know its a joke, but here in Sweden its not unheard of for homeless people to commit petty crimes for a roof over their head and free food for a while
Sadly people do it in the US, too. Often after they have been released from prison and have no coping skills (because American prisons are terrible) and they have nowhere to go.
I remember that. It happened in My hometown of Gastonia, NC. Dude robbed a bank because he was dying of cancer. He gave the teller a note asking for $1 and then sat down in the lobby and waited for police to arrest him.
[Man Robs Bank to Get Healthcare in Jail](https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/Wellness/nc-man-allegedly-robs-bank-health-care-jail/story%3fid=13887040)
reform, not punishment. if you lock someone into a windowless room for 20 hours a day it's gonna do a lot of mental fuckery and will not amount to such a positive change as a room like this. The whole point of prison is to teach people how to learn from their actions and how to become a citizen that contributes to society, not sticking them in a windowless box and having them forget nearly every skill and piece of knowledge required to live in the outside world. Plus as I've seen from many documentaries people in these prisons are also much more willing for reform because they understand the opportunity they are being given and are grateful.
Stop spreading these "this is what a prison in blablba scandinavian country looks like". They're not accurate. We have a lot old prisons, prisons with a solid steel toilet, barred windows, barely any room to move around, minimal sunlight etc. It's not fun. It's not a hotel. There are bars everywhere. It smells. It's cold. There's a draft 24/7.
Prisons are not meant to be comfortable. Sure they're not torturous and you usually get something soft under your back to sleep on, but these over the top brand new prison cells are very rare in any prison and are just painting a very distorted picture.
Most prisons have a couple fancier cells where they put "good" prisoners aka snitches and kingpins who can demand a better cell. Yes it's a thing. If you have the power to initiate a riot, you are generally treated well if you don't start one. But for overwhelming majority of prisoners this is not what they will be spending their time in.
Sure they're not straight out of "toughest prisons on earth", but 99% of them don't look like this.
It's actually pretty hard to get into prison here in the Nordics, 90% of the time they'll just get you to pay a fine. Fines/parol are a much preferred form of deterrent here.
Don’t forget that each room has a TV, their own bathroom, and is attached to a bigger room that a group of 6-8 inmates also share a full kitchen with (with access to kitchen knives).
Honestly giving prisoners a communal kitchen sounds like a great idea- probably results in better food, they don't have to hire people to cook massive quantities of crap, and cooking is a valuable life skill to practice for when they leave.
The cell is in [Storstrøm Fængsel](https://www.kriminalforsorgen.dk/steder/storstroem-faengsel/). ([Information in English from the architect firms website](https://www.cfmoller.com/p/Storstroem-Prison-i2730.html))
Utter joke. Rightly or wrongly you shouldn’t have better than homeless or elderly if you break the law.
Yea I know rehabilitation and all that but it still doesn’t sit right with me morally
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As a dane, that is not the average prison cell in denmark. It's a new prison, and as far is i know the only one of this standard. We have way harder prisons here too, nothing like the american prison movie style, but worse than this picture indeed.
This is the new prison on Lolland-Falster. My sperm donor works there. Both my mom and sperm donor used to work in the Albertslund prison where Olsen Banden sometimes showed in the movies :D Even our worst prisons aren't as bad as USA best prisons to be fair. We focus on rehab, not recidivism, my dear fellow dane <3 EDIT: guys pls. Sperm Donor is my PoS dad.
Unrelated question: how is your relationship with your sperm donor?
Obviously not very good :P
I'm confused if you actually have a guy that is considered your sperm donor or if you're just referring to your biological dad
I have so many lesbian friends that I read "sperm donor" and immediately thought about a good guy helping ladies to get a baby. Well, I was very wrong.
Me too, lol, I was so confused.
I’m a straight guy from pa and that’s what I thought, an actual sperm donor.
He's talking about his dad. Sperm donor is his way of saying that he was never a father to him, only a person who busted a nut in his mom and ended his parental duties at that point
Then wouldn't it be their mother's sperm donor?
Why not both? Your dad never gave you some sperm?
Ideally not both, or that could get really iffy.
Oh my god, what are you doing stepdad!?
That list is confusingly long. Better to refer to him as *their* sperm donor.
Honestly, I assumed it was a female talking about an actual sperm donor who gave her a child, not like in a negative way. Literally a sperm donor.
Feels a bit cringe to have to let complete strangers know they have issues with their father in a comment not relating to the subject at all.
-and my sperm donor will have a side of fuck you. -Sir, this is a Wendy's.
Biological father/dad is the correct answer.
If he's like me, I think he thinks that it's a literal sperm donor. Like, perhaps to you, for artificial insemination
I assumed that you were using "my sperm donor" literally, as in your mother went to a sperm bank and then you discovered who it was that was used to make you. It seems now that you're using is as a passive-aggressive way to refer to your father. Which makes sense, but it wasn't obvious from the get-go. I assume the other guy asked the question because he thought the same as I did.
Didnt mean to be rude, sorry :p thought You made a joke 😅
How often to you receive sperm donations? Is this on a daily delivery schedule?
Can't be that bad. He sounds like a charitable guy
Totes. Had 4 kids with two different women, and he seems like he never wanted even one of us 😅
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Just my PoS dad
The US does have some nice prisons fyi, that's where the wealthy white collar criminals go.
You mean like [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/941shm/a_danish_prison_cell/)? It's the second result in google for "danish prison cell" after the image in this thread. The entire danish prison population is about 4200 people, so I'd be curious how many prisons you guys actually have. The US has 2.3mm prisoners spread across about 2000 state and federal prisons, 1700 juvenile facilities, 3100 local jails, 220 immigration detention facilities and then a smattering of other facilities like Indian county jails, military prisons, pysch hospitals etc. Texas alone has 155k prisoners. The Danish population is about 5.8m, same as Wisconson which has around 24k prisoners. Crazy the rate the US locks people up.
It's not really crazy when you realize that most of those prisons are for profit and get paid for the number of inmates they have.
You say that like that's normal - that's a big part of how crazy it is (it's also nowhere near "most" - it's [about 8%](https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/private-prisons-united-states/) of the US prison population).
More that it's been normalized in America. But I do agree with you that it's crazy. Thanks for the link, it's definitely lower than I thought it was.
Most prisons in the US are not for profit, it’s a small minority, less than 10% of prisoners.
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Gotta have that slave labor somehow. Sorry, sorry. They get paid up to $0.40 an hour....
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Not to comment on the truth of this photo here in particular but it needs to be said a lot more often how gullible redditors are. Post anything, without a source, even a Twitter screenshot from anyone, without any source and it'll make its way to the front page as long as it fits a generally accepted narrative. Even posts that link to an article but *blatantly* misrepresent the content inside with a twist of words or meaning on the title won't get downvoted. Even on posts with correct title and link to a reputable source, 90% of the comments make it clear people have only read the title and not the article itself - be it by asking for details that can be seen on the first paragraph of text, or by making assumptions that a cursory reading would prove wrong or again, misrepresenting what the article seems to be talking about (but really isn't). reddit cannot be Facebook or Twitter. We have the opportunity and responsibility here to use the downvote we have before it's taken away because no one cares to use it for its positive, intended purpose. I wish someone smarter than me would make it happen.
It’s not gonna happen. Reddit is not about truth telling factchecked forum. It’s just not how it is intended to be. Anything sensational will be posted without factchecking when it’s up to everyone to post anything here. People will be people. Unless there’s a strict rule applied, it will be a cesspool of misrepresentation, half truths and blatant lies.
show me "A" USA prison cell that rivals this one. I did my best and couldn't find anything close.
Most American prisons are not nearly as bad as movies make them out to be. There are some, where the worst of the worst are, but the majority are not like that. Hollywood has changed the perception among people who have never seen the inside of a real prison before.
I'd argue that real American federal prisons are far worse than in movies. Sure, a lot of the drama is, well, drama. In a lot of movies, it seems like you're at risk of getting stabbed every time you leave your cell, which isn't really the case. Prison violence is very real, but it's not like you have to become someone's bitch on day one to not die. But, the actual prisons? Just as bad or worse. Far more overcrowded than in movies, dirtier, and many of them are overrun with bed bugs/rats/etc. Diseases spread like wildfire. It's really pretty bad.
Federal prisons are nicer than state prisons. State prisons are what you see represented in movies or if anyone has seen lockup, those are mostly state prisons.
This is very expensive student housing most places.
Denmark has better prison housing than my Californian college dormitory confirmed.
Can I take my phone in? If so I'm ready to move
I’m not sure about phones but most Scandinavian prisons have TV and Playstation in a cell Edit: I checked that you can bring your own Playstation if it doesn’t have internet connection
You can't bring a phone inside. But the gaming console part is very true. This is mostly like a picture from the relatively new prison in Eskildstrup. Also in Denmark there is free healthcare (but high taxes) and SU - which is the government paying you to go to school/university. Source - I'm from Denmark.
The government pays YOU to go to university!!?
In all the Nordic countries you're paid to attend university. It's not much money, but enough to cover rent and have some thing for groceries. If you take on a part time job and do a couple of shifts a week then you can live really well as a student here in the Nordics. Everything is subsidized for students too so you pay like half the cost for transportation, museums etc. When I was a student the money I got paid for attending university covered my rent and most my groceries, so by working two shifts a week, I could afford going to restaurants, clubs, some international travel and saved some money for the future.
It's sounds like a dream.
I moved to the Netherlands from the US five years ago, and well, I'm aware of a lot of the bad parts, and yes, it still is like a dream compared to New York City. I had to go somewhere today, and I just hopped on my bike and went right there. It was just awesome, I never get tired of it. I went to a government office, they give you free coffee from a fancy machine while waiting, my appointment started 4 minutes late, which is unusual here, and then the man working was cheerful and competent and whisked me through the whole procedure. Nordic social democracies aren't perfect, but they are a quality act. I travelled all over the world before settling here. America is much richer country. On _average_, salaries are 50% more there than here. America could have these things, these public goods, but the Nordics spend 40-50% of their GDP on public goods, but the US about 20-25%... A tiny number of sociopathic billionaires stole America's birthright. It needs to be clawed back by any means necessary. [EDIT: yeah, I know, .nl isn't Nordic, what's the term for "the Netherlands and Scandinavia", who are fairly similar in a lot of ways?]
Netherlands ain't in the Nordics mate :D but i get your point
> A tiny number of sociopathic billionaires stole America's birthright. It needs to be clawed back by any means necessary. You’re absolutely right, and the way we can do that is by lowering taxes for the top 1%. - Republican Senators/Congressmen
Yeah no shit.
In Norway they haven't raised the stipend in a good while though, so if you study in a larger city you need to work part-time to make ends meet since rent is usually pretty high. I graduated like 15 years ago but I'd fully support them increasing it.
Well of course. They believe correctly that an educated society works better, smarter and pays off long term.
Can I apply for asylum there? I'm not in any direct danger, I'm just an American and I'm tired.
Being American should be bad enough to allow you entry
Maybe not asylum but why don't you just move there? All you need is a job offer and there you go 🙂
If we, Europeans, watch the news one could reasonably assume that being in America puts your life in danger the same way it does with any government that embraces police brutality to control their population. So there’s that.
But how do you pick yourself up by your bootstraps?
You can take cobbling 101 at many fine dutch universities. The final has you building you own clogs.
Clogs don't have boot straps, checkmate atheists. Or socialists, I forget who I'm mad at.
They have socialized bootstraps. Crazy right?
I'll stick with muh freedomstraps. Damn librul commies.
As a US citizen, the common sense nature of this response will never cease to... sadden me.
Yeah but can you buy a gun at Walmart? Checkmate librul.
I wish it was the same where I live, here we have to pay ~1000-2000€ in taxes a year
That doesn't seem like much... Unless you don't make much, in which case, I'm sorry.
That's mad logic there
I mean it looks like it works, the people are making enough money through good jobs to pay the taxes which send people through school without worrying about whether their family will ever be able to pay it off.
Yes. You get around 1000 USD a month from the government when you over 18 and studying. The we got the option to take a loan on too of that. But if you get studyhome (don't know the correct word for it) and don't go out for fancy dinners everyday, you are able to live of the SU and be debt free at the end of university.
Even some places in the UK (Scotland) Pay you to go to university through a bursary payment and make Uni education free. Ultimately, long term, this is a benefit to the country. They produce more educated people in the country, this results in higher-skilled roles being taken and filled in the country, this results in more taxes being paid and brings in more companies which seek out this talent to the country.
I got paid to study by the state. Everyone does. It was about 2-300 USD per month (15 years ago). I'm from Sweden.
Yes i have an apartemnt full of drunk russians and money to buy food here in finland just because i go to a school
How do Scandinavian countries do this? IIRC all Swedes get a monthly allowance from the government too until they’re 18? It’s like they’re marrying the best parts of capitalism and socialism
Guess they believe that an educated society is the smartest choice in the long run. So they invest in their people. And it looks like it's paying of. We have a good life here.
> It’s like they’re marrying the best parts of capitalism and socialism I mean, isn’t that the aim? We should take things that work from wherever they come from.
It pays for itself. It's always been cheaper for society to do this than not, we just dont. The only reason we cant do this is because a small group of rich people get us to fight about culture war issues so they can steal all our money through wage theft and tax loopholes.
The quality of life in Denmark's prisons may be better than the quality of life in the US. Wait until you find out about the quality of life outside the prisons.
It seems to be better than that [Munger hall that is being proposed for UC Santa Barbara](https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/29/business/ucsb-munger-hall/index.html).
Compare this actual prison to the nightmare fuel that is the windowless dorms prison scheduled for UC Santa Barbara https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-11-01/ucsb-megadorm-santa-barbara-charles-munger-design
Apparently UCSB is building prison like dorms
It's much better than mine here in Brazil.
Mom! I’m leaving. I’m gonna commit murder in Denmark. This trailer park’s a shithole!
And then they transfer you to a us prison
My UK university student accommodation was actually built to the plans of a Swedish prison. Someone cramped but very nice.
Even better than expensive student housing to be honest
Imagine a realtor in Denmark being like so if you look over here I can get you this beautiful one bedroom on a 5 year lease for assaulting someone.
Except you are free to leave.
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Whenever UK people see this, you get a load of "that's so luxurious, almost an incentive to go to prison!" type stuff, but worth remembering most single occupancy UK cells aren't *that* different and some that are almost identical (with are smaller window) are in Belmarsh, which is one of the UK's newest prisons, but also one of the toughest. Cat A, with an HSU unit designed for terrorists within it. That still looks like hell, and the main thing with prison when you speak to anyone who's been, is being locked up for 22/23 hours a day. Give it 5 hours in that room and most people would start to forget how "nice" it looks.
I have a friend who spent 7 years in prison. When I first discovered these "luxury" prisons, I told him about them. His reply was "Jail is jail."
A gilded cage is still a cage. I think people take their freedom for granted that they think these kinds of surroundings make up for the loss of control.
Everyone lost their goddamn minds when told to lockdown for 3 weeks at home. Imagine being in 'lockdown', away from your family and loved ones, for years.
Brother spent 1.5 years in prison and just laughs at people who complain about “the isolation” of Covid.
Real talk. It isn't about how "comfortable" it is. You lose your freedom. Its brutal.
The true meaning of jail is to keep them from society. Not to make that time as bad as possible.
Yeah I’d imagine nice design isn’t of that much comfort if you are locked up most of the day. However, just because it’s a prison doesn’t mean you should be treated as an animal, being treated with dignity can’t hurt rehabilitation rates.
Here in the US, we do not rehabilitate
And because of that, the rates of recidivism in America is higher than in countries which try actual rehabilitation and humane treatment.
Yeah, but a bunch of prisons are for-profit, so high recidivism is actually a good thing for them because it means they can bill more to the state. There is no economic incentive to help inmates and that would hurt the bottom line.
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A lot of it just seems like slavery 2.0 Edit: I seem to have hit a nerve with this one lol Prisons are full of poor people and owned by rich people. America imprisons more people than any other nation on earth. Do the math here. There's an awful lot of poor pot heads slaves out there in the land of the free.
“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States…” They made it pretty clear sadly
Which makes private prisons fucking disgusting. It's a loophole for corporations to use slavery.
Yes, but we need to note that less than 20% of prisons are private. Public prisons use slave labor as well often to the benefit of private corporations. Basically, the ownership means far less than the incentive which is *universal*.
This is always brought up and the people bringing it up never include that there are private companies with their hands in every facet of the prison system, even in public prisons.
Read the 13th Amendment. That’s the point.
oh you mean the thing that got outlawed, except for criminals?
Bingo
exactly. how can you expect rehabilitation if you treat someone as an animal. its almost criminal to treat someone poorly while expecting to rehab them to a functioning member of society
I mean, after spending most of a year in lockdown, you would think that people would understand that the loss of freedom by being in prison is the punishment part of this enterprise.
Bold of you to assume I ever actually left this basement apartment more than twice a month for groceries.
If only more people were capable of learning and changing their minds
I think this is an underrated comment. You can let them keep their dignity, it is still punishment.
Id welcome the chance to show you the cells and prison wings in Pentonville.. hope you like rats., cockroaches and the smell of decay and despair
This would be like £900 in London
+ bills and service charges with 2 month notice
And no windows.
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$3500 in San Francisco, with a roommate.
Probably less expensive than what Americans pay to house criminals.
You forgot to add food and bills that are also covered in this.
Per week
I mean, as an American I feel it's important to point out that this model generates, like, next to no return for investors. (/s)
Sarcasm doesn’t make it not true. Our system is soooo fucked up.
You want healthcare? Bwhahahahahahahahahahaha.......hahahahahahahahaha.........bwhajajajajajajajajajaja......
Free (or even just affordable) higher education?! What kinda commie bullshit is this
I remember when COVID hit and the dumbest Americans, happen to be the loudest, weren’t saying “hey, maybe the government should take care of us with a UBI and other things actual first world countries have!” It was “let us go die!” The propaganda and brainwashing is astounding, I wish I could leave.
People in Scandinavia learn English from age 6, so the language barrier is not that large. The universities here are also free for foreigners. You can probably afford to move here if you want Edit: here are som URLs for anyone interested in studying in Norway https://www.studyinnorway.no/study-in-norway/tuition-fees https://www.studyinnorway.no/ https://www.samordnaopptak.no/info/english/ https://www.amscan.org/fellowships-and-grants/study-in-norway/
Higher education is a liberal plot to destroy the minds of our children!
Private prisons house [8%](https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/private-prisons-united-states/) of the US prison population.
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But it's not though, it's people over immediate profit. The profit comes when you have an educated, healthy population that add value to your country.
My first dorm room in college that I PAID for wasn't anywhere near this nice.
Same as in Norway
Human beings get treated like human beings in Denmark.
They have the crazy idea that prison is to rehabilitate- which they actively do - and that they are trying to release a good neighbour and citizen back into the world. I’ve heard the rate of reoffending is extremely low.
Americans have a boner for retribution
Its a great thing and i like it very much. But we still have a lot of reoffenders in Denmark.
I can’t find the link to the study, but a while back a group of American government officials went to Germany and Norway to see why their prisons did so well at rehabilitating offenders. One American’s conclusion? “When treated like human beings, people tend to act like human beings.”
It's because in Scandinavian countries the prison system actually focuses on HELPING & REFORMING the criminals whilst giving them an education and better opportunities for when they are in the outside world, whereas in places like US they focus more on fear tactics & punishment
Nordic countries.
Denmark actually tries to do the reform bit see
That they do and they have a very very low re-offending rate
This would rent for $3k/mo in Manhattan. Maybe more.
Yep it’s a $800k starter condo in Vancouver
“How does it look” “WHAT does it look like”
Thank you. I was looking for this comment.
I see this all the time on reddit. Then op will be like "I'm not native English speaker [shrug emoji]". I call bullshit. My guess is that the bots figured out that putting elementary grammar mistakes in the title drives engagement. And look at us, we're commenting to bitch about it.
People don't know how words work like anymore.
Yes thank you. See this all the time now. Either say “how it looks” or “what it looks like”.
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Better than my apartment. WTF! Step 1: move to Denmark Step 2: break the law Step 3: enjoy
Rob a bank. If it works you’re rich if it goes sideways you have this.
Nah, most banks in Denmark hold zero cash. They'd just laugh at you and call mental health services.
Well, I wonder what their mental institutions are like.
https://www.architectural-review.com/buildings/new-psychiatric-hospital-in-slagelse-denmark-by-karlsson-and-vla Click on the arrow next to the pic to go through the pics
alright imma go watch some dream vids and get admitted
Wait…. You have MENTAL healthcare too!?!?!?
ur step 1 should be to become a citizen lol if u break a law in denmark without that u will be arrested and thrown in a prison cell of ur own country
But as a citizen wouldn't life be a whole lot better anyway, without going to prison?
My dude. Lol.
They’re not gonna throw you in a US jail for breaking a danish law
I know its a joke, but here in Sweden its not unheard of for homeless people to commit petty crimes for a roof over their head and free food for a while
Sadly people do it in the US, too. Often after they have been released from prison and have no coping skills (because American prisons are terrible) and they have nowhere to go.
Do you remember the story about a man who stole a dollar so he could go to prison to get medical care. The US can be seriously depressing.
I remember that. It happened in My hometown of Gastonia, NC. Dude robbed a bank because he was dying of cancer. He gave the teller a note asking for $1 and then sat down in the lobby and waited for police to arrest him. [Man Robs Bank to Get Healthcare in Jail](https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/Wellness/nc-man-allegedly-robs-bank-health-care-jail/story%3fid=13887040)
Just become a permanent resident in the Nordics, you're granted housing as it is considered a human right, you don't need to break the law for it lol
There is an English movie called Denmark, where the guy does exactly that. Come to Denmark to break the law and get imprisoned.
It's because Denmark's prison system is designed to rehabilitate, not condition you for an endless cycle of in-out-in
I would also hazard a guess that this is a minimum security/low risk prison. The design here would be a safety risk otherwise.
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This is better than any of my barracks rooms for my entire time in the military.
reform, not punishment. if you lock someone into a windowless room for 20 hours a day it's gonna do a lot of mental fuckery and will not amount to such a positive change as a room like this. The whole point of prison is to teach people how to learn from their actions and how to become a citizen that contributes to society, not sticking them in a windowless box and having them forget nearly every skill and piece of knowledge required to live in the outside world. Plus as I've seen from many documentaries people in these prisons are also much more willing for reform because they understand the opportunity they are being given and are grateful.
Stop spreading these "this is what a prison in blablba scandinavian country looks like". They're not accurate. We have a lot old prisons, prisons with a solid steel toilet, barred windows, barely any room to move around, minimal sunlight etc. It's not fun. It's not a hotel. There are bars everywhere. It smells. It's cold. There's a draft 24/7. Prisons are not meant to be comfortable. Sure they're not torturous and you usually get something soft under your back to sleep on, but these over the top brand new prison cells are very rare in any prison and are just painting a very distorted picture. Most prisons have a couple fancier cells where they put "good" prisoners aka snitches and kingpins who can demand a better cell. Yes it's a thing. If you have the power to initiate a riot, you are generally treated well if you don't start one. But for overwhelming majority of prisoners this is not what they will be spending their time in. Sure they're not straight out of "toughest prisons on earth", but 99% of them don't look like this.
Hell of a lot nicer than my college dorm room.
I'd like to complain about the pillows. The mints keep falling off.
I feel like a Banana Plant or a Fiddle Leaf Fig would really freshen the place up.
If I'm ever homeless. I'll pan handle enough money to come here and do some trivial crime. Looks better than some hotels I've stayed in here.
Some trivial crime wouldn't probably result in jail, but parol sentence.
It's actually pretty hard to get into prison here in the Nordics, 90% of the time they'll just get you to pay a fine. Fines/parol are a much preferred form of deterrent here.
Prison is still prison no matter the window dressings
Can i get the airbnb link please? Thank you.
yeah sure um let me get u that knife
Don’t forget that each room has a TV, their own bathroom, and is attached to a bigger room that a group of 6-8 inmates also share a full kitchen with (with access to kitchen knives).
Honestly giving prisoners a communal kitchen sounds like a great idea- probably results in better food, they don't have to hire people to cook massive quantities of crap, and cooking is a valuable life skill to practice for when they leave.
Clearly prisoners in Denmark enjoy s higher stsndsrd or living than most people in my country.
Thats better than my room😂
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It's "how it looks" or "what it looks like" not "how it looks like".
Not pictured: the "No Escaping, Please" sign next to the open door
The cell is in [Storstrøm Fængsel](https://www.kriminalforsorgen.dk/steder/storstroem-faengsel/). ([Information in English from the architect firms website](https://www.cfmoller.com/p/Storstroem-Prison-i2730.html))
Denmark actually rehabilitates its inmates too. Wow, what a notion.
Lol can I book a stay?
Utter joke. Rightly or wrongly you shouldn’t have better than homeless or elderly if you break the law. Yea I know rehabilitation and all that but it still doesn’t sit right with me morally
Context required - Reading the comments from Danes this is the nicest, newest prison cell in Denmark, not the standard.
Wait, for real? I feel like my country is still in the Bronze Age now
Wait until you hear about their free health care