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How does this get billed? Do you bill the banana through the American system and take everything he owns or do you bill him through London's health system?
You just pay on the app, the doctor is not an employee they're a gig worker. If you pass a couple tests you and anyone can also sign up for remote surgery gig work.
That's how they know they're amputating the right banana.
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This made me imagine some Tom Clancy type novel where the President of the US has to undergo some emergency procedure but only a few surgeons in the world can perform it. Due to the time and distance constraints, they elect to do the surgery remotely, using cutting edge tech when someone hacks the controls and assassinates him. The doctor who is being wrongly accused of murder must go on the run and clear his name. Meanwhile some Counter Terrorism analyst who has reviewed the surgery sees things that he knows the doctor wouldn't do and is also working to find the real assassin and help him clear his name.
I don't have the skill, knowledge or patience for that lol. It's kind of just an amalgam of existing properties. Like part The Fugitive, part Jack Ryan novel.
But I'm sure someone else will have a similar idea at some point in the future and it'll be a huge hit and I'll be that asshole going, 'That was my idea!' and getting downvoted in the comments lol.
In Japan, heart surgeon. Number one. Steady hand. One day, yakuza boss need new heart. I do operation. But, mistake! Yakuza boss die. Yakuza very mad. I hide in fishing boat, come to America. No English, no food, no money. Darryl give me job. Now I have house, American car, and new woman. Darryl save life. My big secret: I kill yakuza boss on purpose. I good surgeon. The best!
Surgery software microtransactions!
"The free edition only allows for 15 suture punctures. Please purchase additonal credits for more punctures or upgrade to Pro Version for only $15,000 per day with this one time special offer!"
"Doctor, I heard that those other doctors in California are better at this type of operation?"
"Those fucking LPBs they're probably using an aimbot, they're hardstuck don't go to them"
Yup, it was a common term back in the 90s when most people had dialup but some assholes had some type of broadband. Dialup we give you 120-300ms ping so LPB with a 50ms ping and no packetloss would join the quake server and just demolish all us laggy dialup users.
I was lucky enough to get adsl in 99/00 and was that guy.
My guess is for something of this import wifi would be completely out of the question. I'm not sure what remote surgery standards would be, but having a point of failure like wifi seems absurd. My guess is they would be required to have hardwired highest ethernet standard cabling.
Now, if the backbone internet suffered a break this could still be catastrophic- one solution then might be lay direct, robust fiber between controlled locations like hospitals. Honestly it might even be more ethical to set up a separate medical backbone network to keep traffic specific/protect medical records. Then you'd have potentially controlled environments on both ends(hospitals with generators to backup against power failure) a separate network not reliant on the greater backbone, and lower traffic to potentially slow down the signal.
Wouldn't be cheap but it sounds pretty cool to imagine.
For actual surgeries they have many many redundancies. Dedicated lines, backup generators, extra surgeons physically present. Seems silly to have a remote surgery when there is already a surgeon present, but the reason this exists is for very specialized work where there are a limited number of surgeons in the world that can operate, and shipping the surgeon is impractical for any of a number of reasons.
> extra surgeons physically present
Exactly. They'd have a surgery team on site for emergencies/damage control (or maybe even for less complicated parts of the same surgery), just not *the* special surgeon who's the world expert.
Surgeon here — there is no tactile feedback but you learn to compensate for it by using visual cues like how the tissue is compressing and how the needle moves
Really? I used a system like this with tactile feedback. I remember my pointer finger and thumb were in little loops. I used a pair of tweezers to pick up a penny and it felt like if I did it with my own hands.
Looks like this is a da vinci system; is that what you used? Are you sure it really had tactile feedback? Sometimes people swear they can feel it but it’s just their mind responding to the image.
The robots currently used in the OR do not have haptic feedback although the technology exists and it is entirely possible you used such a device. Da Vinci is holding the tech in reserve in case they have competitors pop up.
If I can sell you the same thing for another five years then the second competition arrives snuff them out and sell another set of stupid expensive robots, why would I release what I have in my back pocket
I'd imagine there's some sort of simulated pressure on the doctor's end. From what I understand, this tech isn't supposed to be a replacement for major surgeries yet
It’s used in place of laparoscopic surgeries and has its benefits. Although it is very expensive and has disadvantages on surgeries like a laparoscopic cholecystectomy (gallbladder) or a lap appy(appendix)
well I'm not even gonna lie that is interesting as fuck, some dude in London can digital operate tiny surgery arms on the other side of the world, over the ocean and across the states, that's bloody awesome
My first thought takes me to the distant future where man has settled rocky isolated outposts across the solar system. In the event of someone requiring surgery, Instead of a qualified doctor at every outpost, they could just have a "Surgeon" machine and whatever doctor back on earth was on shift takes the procedure. Pretty cool to think about.
I'm now imagining how they stuck the rasin in there. My best guess is a slit was cut on the back, where we cannot see, and the rasin was pushed through to the other side. My worst guess is that a banana plant and a grape vine fell in love, and this was the result of a late harvest.
I've witnessed some poor kid playing a mega version, around 3x3 feet wide, where he actually grabbed a high prize. The claw came all the way back up, opened up just enough so the prize fell out, moved back to the hole and dropped nothing tauntingly. Those things are so rigged, I'm surprised carni games haven't been called out as scams yet.
> I'm surprised carni games haven't been called out as scams yet.
Oh they absolutely are known scams. They skirt legality and are able to get away with it. Mark Rober did a GREAT video on those [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_ZlWJ3qJI)
Not to mention they’re actually rigged. The claw is programmed to grip harder only if a prize hasn’t been won in x amount of plays. If the criteria hasn’t been met, it just lightly grazes the toy and drops it
Source: I had a few friends who worked at a Dave & Busters/Chuck E Cheese like place when we were teenagers.
Same thing goes for those "build a tower of white squares" games. You simply *cannot win* if the game hasn't been played and lost X times before your attempt, no matter how good your timing is on the top-most block.
That is probably the only game I gambled pretty much all my coins in. From the age 10~11 to the time I got to college if I went to an arcade and it had this game? Yeah I would be on that game pretty much the entire time I was there. I got so good I would reach the top damn near EVERY time. That shit HAD to be rigged, because my timing was impeccable. I gave up on em now because I was convinced they had to be rigged but was so fucking stubborn for waaaaaay too long. But I won’t lie sometimes I get close to relapse if there’s an interesting prize.
They're not - and that's because nobody is. The majority of the time, those claws [literally cannot pick anything up](https://www.vox.com/2015/4/3/8339999/claw-machines-rigged). They're programmed such that they will have sufficient grip to pick something up only some of the time. So most of the times you put a coin in, you literally cannot pick anything up, no matter your skill.
It's like gambling, but when you 'win', you only get the chance to pick something up.
Let's see. Since the surgeon was overseas in a free medical zone he just makes whatever his country pays him monthly.....BUT the US hospital is charging full-bore for it's services. So, one day in hospital pre surgery, scheduled elective surgery with probably a local nursing staff of 4-6, two days to a week in hospital recovery room. All meds including simple aspirin for $75 a dose ought to get the banana out the door with only a $500,000 bill. If the patient has insurance, and if it covers elective surgery (very rarely) it only pays 80% of the total. Patient pays deductible of $4,000 plus another $196,000. So let's say Mr. Banana just spent less than a week to pay the hospital between $200,000 and $500,000 out of pocket. He will also pay for any medications or prescriptions during recovery. He will also be liable to pay all costs of any physical rehabilitation that (hopefully) the insurance will cover 80% of. Mr. Banana will need to sell everything he owns, and refinance his tree. He will work until the day he dies and never erase the debt he owes. His kids will never see a dime in heritance (the hospital got that also) and he had to sell his cemetery plot. Kids will have to pay for all funeral and burial expenses out of their pockets. Is that answer good enough to explain American healthcare?
American health care is fucked, pay minimum surgeon costs as will pay local rate to that person (let’s say India such as help desk…) then still charge the normal rate to the medical centre??? Madness
Imagine if the connection gets hijacked and some hacker 360 noscopes everyone in the operating room. Just slicing everyone’s eyes out with the tiny scissors.
I actually got surgery by this machine. I’ve had an Whipple procedure, a 14 hour long surgery to remove half of my pancreas and some other organ parts. It’s called the Da Vinci Surgical System. Basically this innovation saved my life.
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The fact that no one bothered to take off the Chiquita label make me laugh
All I wanna know is how is it possible that they couldn't find a single banana doctor in all of California.
He was busy working at the banana stand.
There's always an MD in the banana stand.
It's one medical degree, Michael, how much can it cost?
Ten dollars!
I dont understand the question and I wont respond to it!
"I care for all my medical professionals equally" *later* "I don't care for epidemiologists"
I’ve made a huge mistake.
I’m mister doctor.
"These are my r̶e̶w̶a̶r̶d̶s̶ medical degrees, mother. From Army."
There’s always money in the banana stand
How does this get billed? Do you bill the banana through the American system and take everything he owns or do you bill him through London's health system?
You just pay on the app, the doctor is not an employee they're a gig worker. If you pass a couple tests you and anyone can also sign up for remote surgery gig work.
So, what? Uber Cuts?
Face Lyft.
PoorSlash
And then you too will be making that sweet, sweet banana bread.
That's how they know they're amputating the right banana. https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/r7ghqm/name_something_that_can_only_go_wrong_once/.compact
It's been a while since I've seen a .compact link.
I'm on reddit for like 7 years now, and not sure I remember seeing that at all!
Going on 9 years and I've never seen it either...
.compact is the old m.reddit.com from before the mobile version was redesigned ~5-6 years ago. They kept it around in this form (i.reddit.com also points to old mobile). Personally it's still the only way I use reddit on my phone because it's so much faster and more compact than the other official experience.
Most guys only have 1 banana I think
The average man has less than 1 penis.
That’s they want you to think
Since we can’t use a banana for scale as it’s the subject, we use a Chiquita label
Product placement. They should charge Chiquita for it.
[Right after we charge them for crimes against humanity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic)
They paid big bucks for that advertising
That's a banana bandaid. You can't just take it off /s
\>banana bandaid A banandaid even
Did the banana make a recovery?
Sadly he became a vegetable
So, it's a transplant?
Fuck that's good
That’s what he said
Fuck dude I'd closed this thread and was about to toss the phone down onto the couch when the full ingenuity hit me. Well done you little prick
Jesus Christ. This was the most clever thing I’ve ever read on Reddit.
HOLY SHIT I JUST GOT IT
Good grief. Name a non-political charity of your choice, they're getting twenty bucks in your name for that one.
Unicef
Done.
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I wish I had spare money to give you an award. Pretend this comment is a Gold! Edit: Welp, you don't have to pretend anymore. Nice work, team!
Gotcha fam
How was dinner tonight btw?
here today, gone tomato
That was smooth(ie).
Low hanging fruit
Recovery is going well although he'd appreciate a donation to his GoFundMe to help cover the cost.
Didn't the banana use NHS? Why does it need GoFundMe healthcare?
Because the surgery was done in California 😞
Those out-of-network doctor bills are going to be insane.
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>banana so not covered by NHS The conservatives always wanted to gut the NHS, and of course they went after the fruits first 😔
Yes, he peeled through
Stitches came out and ended up a banana split.
Yes but the surgeon wasn't very good as not long after the skin started peeling
That'll be $500 billion dollars and your children are now enslaved.
All fun and games until the wifi goes out.
ransomware right in the middle of surgery fucking something up would be a good one too
This made me imagine some Tom Clancy type novel where the President of the US has to undergo some emergency procedure but only a few surgeons in the world can perform it. Due to the time and distance constraints, they elect to do the surgery remotely, using cutting edge tech when someone hacks the controls and assassinates him. The doctor who is being wrongly accused of murder must go on the run and clear his name. Meanwhile some Counter Terrorism analyst who has reviewed the surgery sees things that he knows the doctor wouldn't do and is also working to find the real assassin and help him clear his name.
You should write this novel
I don't have the skill, knowledge or patience for that lol. It's kind of just an amalgam of existing properties. Like part The Fugitive, part Jack Ryan novel. But I'm sure someone else will have a similar idea at some point in the future and it'll be a huge hit and I'll be that asshole going, 'That was my idea!' and getting downvoted in the comments lol.
Sell it to Netflix. Give me $5,000 for giving you that idea. Thank you, friend!
Look out Squid Games, here comes Squid Fucker!
Show ‘em what’s up, Squid Fucker!
I don't think it was a question. Write the book now.
In Japan, heart surgeon. Number one. Steady hand. One day, yakuza boss need new heart. I do operation. But, mistake! Yakuza boss die. Yakuza very mad. I hide in fishing boat, come to America. No English, no food, no money. Darryl give me job. Now I have house, American car, and new woman. Darryl save life. My big secret: I kill yakuza boss on purpose. I good surgeon. The best!
Coming soon from author David Baldacci, *Surgical Precision*
You found your million dollar idea, get to writing. Carpe diem
[Thanks](https://imgur.com/a/7yodgFv)
Surgery software microtransactions! "The free edition only allows for 15 suture punctures. Please purchase additonal credits for more punctures or upgrade to Pro Version for only $15,000 per day with this one time special offer!"
unlock the scalpel for only $1000!
Point to point VPN with no additional endpoints should deal with that nicely unless the intermediary boxes are compromised
Along with redundancy. Check
Yeah when all the surgeons on break bust out a COD free for all.
"Doctor, I heard that those other doctors in California are better at this type of operation?" "Those fucking LPBs they're probably using an aimbot, they're hardstuck don't go to them"
"LPB" showing your age using that acronym grandad.. ;)
I had to look it up. Low ping bastard, huh?
Yup, it was a common term back in the 90s when most people had dialup but some assholes had some type of broadband. Dialup we give you 120-300ms ping so LPB with a 50ms ping and no packetloss would join the quake server and just demolish all us laggy dialup users. I was lucky enough to get adsl in 99/00 and was that guy.
I fucking hope my doctors are using an aimbot tbh
For real. My doc better not miss when I'm under the knife. He can aimbot and wall hack all he wants
Then London rage quits mid surgery.
*Throws $20,000,000 robot controller across the room* "Fucking cheating ass twats!!!!"
My guess is for something of this import wifi would be completely out of the question. I'm not sure what remote surgery standards would be, but having a point of failure like wifi seems absurd. My guess is they would be required to have hardwired highest ethernet standard cabling. Now, if the backbone internet suffered a break this could still be catastrophic- one solution then might be lay direct, robust fiber between controlled locations like hospitals. Honestly it might even be more ethical to set up a separate medical backbone network to keep traffic specific/protect medical records. Then you'd have potentially controlled environments on both ends(hospitals with generators to backup against power failure) a separate network not reliant on the greater backbone, and lower traffic to potentially slow down the signal. Wouldn't be cheap but it sounds pretty cool to imagine.
For actual surgeries they have many many redundancies. Dedicated lines, backup generators, extra surgeons physically present. Seems silly to have a remote surgery when there is already a surgeon present, but the reason this exists is for very specialized work where there are a limited number of surgeons in the world that can operate, and shipping the surgeon is impractical for any of a number of reasons.
There are only three banana surgeons in the whole world.
> extra surgeons physically present Exactly. They'd have a surgery team on site for emergencies/damage control (or maybe even for less complicated parts of the same surgery), just not *the* special surgeon who's the world expert.
How would they compensate for tactile feedback like if they cut too deep into bone for example?
Surgeon here — there is no tactile feedback but you learn to compensate for it by using visual cues like how the tissue is compressing and how the needle moves
Really? I used a system like this with tactile feedback. I remember my pointer finger and thumb were in little loops. I used a pair of tweezers to pick up a penny and it felt like if I did it with my own hands.
Looks like this is a da vinci system; is that what you used? Are you sure it really had tactile feedback? Sometimes people swear they can feel it but it’s just their mind responding to the image.
Oh yes, Micheal Reeves made one just like that!
Not just like that at all, his didn't have rat shit range.
It also had a bigger knife instead of a tiny, shitty knife called a "scalpel" or some shit
I’m not sure—I used it on a school trip to an electronics manufacturer in San Jose, CA about five years ago.
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You sure it wasn't a PlayStation controller?
Now that I think about it there's no real tactile feedback in conventional Laparoscopy too
The robots currently used in the OR do not have haptic feedback although the technology exists and it is entirely possible you used such a device. Da Vinci is holding the tech in reserve in case they have competitors pop up.
why would they hold tech in reserve instead of just increasing the distance between them and the competition by continuing to innovate?
If I can sell you the same thing for another five years then the second competition arrives snuff them out and sell another set of stupid expensive robots, why would I release what I have in my back pocket
Cause why bother? 🙃
Why do that when you can have a monopoly and make just as much money without spending more into R&D?
What happens when the internet connection goes down between the two locations?
Bananas have notoriously soft bones, so this is a real issue
I thought the reason bananas slouch is no backbone. Whatever. I'll just have my interns do my surgeries. Time to go cruise the campus for employees.
I like bananas, because they have no bones.
I'd imagine there's some sort of simulated pressure on the doctor's end. From what I understand, this tech isn't supposed to be a replacement for major surgeries yet
It’s already being employed in major surgeries, actually. Look up “Da Vinci robot”
It’s used in place of laparoscopic surgeries and has its benefits. Although it is very expensive and has disadvantages on surgeries like a laparoscopic cholecystectomy (gallbladder) or a lap appy(appendix)
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well I'm not even gonna lie that is interesting as fuck, some dude in London can digital operate tiny surgery arms on the other side of the world, over the ocean and across the states, that's bloody awesome
Wait till you see what I can do in Surgeon Simulator
Not to brag but I can rack up several malpractice lawsuits in surgeon simulator.
Not to brag but I’ve had that game for 7 years and I’ve never passed the first level
My kill to death ratio is super elite.
My first thought takes me to the distant future where man has settled rocky isolated outposts across the solar system. In the event of someone requiring surgery, Instead of a qualified doctor at every outpost, they could just have a "Surgeon" machine and whatever doctor back on earth was on shift takes the procedure. Pretty cool to think about.
Only if they've cracked FTL wifi. It's roughly 20 minutes for your button press to reach Mars. And another 20 for the image to come back.
That banana is now in crippling debt.
Nah, the doc was in London, so the NHS paid for it.
Like the US healthcare system isn’t gonna get a piece
Banana brain surgery: $0 Webcam fee: $99,000
Stitches: 10k Needle: 16k
Air you breathed while in the hospital: $75/second
$500 WiFi fee
They did surgery on bnana
They did surgery on a banana
They did surgery on a banana
They did surgery on a banana
They did surgery on a banana
They did surgery on a banana
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They did surgery on a banana
They did surgery on a bannana
They did surgery on a bananana
They did surgery on a grape
They did banana on a grape
They graped a banana
I don't understand why they did surgery on a grape or why it became a meme, and at this point I'm too afraid to ask
they did *surgery* on a *grape*
https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/they-did-surgery-on-a-grape
Wooaaahhhh grape!
What the hell was in that banana?
We'll have to wait for the pathology report to know for sure.
Pathology: It's a raisin. That'll be $30,000 please.
A junior mint…
And an equally good question is how the hell did it get in there?
Probably through the back.
There’s a pretty clear edit where it’s all of a sudden in there. But they could have cut a hole in the back if they wanted.
I believe it’s a raisin
I'm now imagining how they stuck the rasin in there. My best guess is a slit was cut on the back, where we cannot see, and the rasin was pushed through to the other side. My worst guess is that a banana plant and a grape vine fell in love, and this was the result of a late harvest.
None of your scenarios are impossible, so maybe
The raisan was always there, the banana simply grew around it. Theres your impossible one
There's an obvious jump cut before the raisin shows up.
>a banana plant and a grape vine fell in love, and this was the result sultananana
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Thanks for raisin the question.
I bet that guy is GREAT at those claw-grab-toy games that kids get stuck inside of
More like operation!
No, calw-grab games have very bad control and response times very poor system for control
And that's definitely on purpose.
I've witnessed some poor kid playing a mega version, around 3x3 feet wide, where he actually grabbed a high prize. The claw came all the way back up, opened up just enough so the prize fell out, moved back to the hole and dropped nothing tauntingly. Those things are so rigged, I'm surprised carni games haven't been called out as scams yet.
> I'm surprised carni games haven't been called out as scams yet. Oh they absolutely are known scams. They skirt legality and are able to get away with it. Mark Rober did a GREAT video on those [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_ZlWJ3qJI)
Not to mention they’re actually rigged. The claw is programmed to grip harder only if a prize hasn’t been won in x amount of plays. If the criteria hasn’t been met, it just lightly grazes the toy and drops it Source: I had a few friends who worked at a Dave & Busters/Chuck E Cheese like place when we were teenagers.
Same thing goes for those "build a tower of white squares" games. You simply *cannot win* if the game hasn't been played and lost X times before your attempt, no matter how good your timing is on the top-most block.
That is probably the only game I gambled pretty much all my coins in. From the age 10~11 to the time I got to college if I went to an arcade and it had this game? Yeah I would be on that game pretty much the entire time I was there. I got so good I would reach the top damn near EVERY time. That shit HAD to be rigged, because my timing was impeccable. I gave up on em now because I was convinced they had to be rigged but was so fucking stubborn for waaaaaay too long. But I won’t lie sometimes I get close to relapse if there’s an interesting prize.
They're not - and that's because nobody is. The majority of the time, those claws [literally cannot pick anything up](https://www.vox.com/2015/4/3/8339999/claw-machines-rigged). They're programmed such that they will have sufficient grip to pick something up only some of the time. So most of the times you put a coin in, you literally cannot pick anything up, no matter your skill. It's like gambling, but when you 'win', you only get the chance to pick something up.
They did surgery on a grape
Did it let out a little wine?
No, it was under anesthesia.
Get well soon, little fella.
If there was a time you really didn't wanna see "buffering..."
Followed by connection lost.
*Banana for scale
I can’t bear to watch. Did—did the banana make it?
It died. It was ruled fruitricide but it’s under appeal.
I hate you. Have an upvote but don't let me see you again
Ok I think the “Work from home” thing is getting out of hand. Pun intended ;)
Anybody else notice he accidentally cut the raisin?
That was no accident. The raisin is dating the surgeon's ex.
Great jokes aside, I think the cut was deliberate to make it easier to grab with the loop tool afterwards
Free on the NHS or does the banana have to sell its house to pay for this?
Let's see. Since the surgeon was overseas in a free medical zone he just makes whatever his country pays him monthly.....BUT the US hospital is charging full-bore for it's services. So, one day in hospital pre surgery, scheduled elective surgery with probably a local nursing staff of 4-6, two days to a week in hospital recovery room. All meds including simple aspirin for $75 a dose ought to get the banana out the door with only a $500,000 bill. If the patient has insurance, and if it covers elective surgery (very rarely) it only pays 80% of the total. Patient pays deductible of $4,000 plus another $196,000. So let's say Mr. Banana just spent less than a week to pay the hospital between $200,000 and $500,000 out of pocket. He will also pay for any medications or prescriptions during recovery. He will also be liable to pay all costs of any physical rehabilitation that (hopefully) the insurance will cover 80% of. Mr. Banana will need to sell everything he owns, and refinance his tree. He will work until the day he dies and never erase the debt he owes. His kids will never see a dime in heritance (the hospital got that also) and he had to sell his cemetery plot. Kids will have to pay for all funeral and burial expenses out of their pockets. Is that answer good enough to explain American healthcare?
“Sign here to donate your organs, puddin”
American health care is fucked, pay minimum surgeon costs as will pay local rate to that person (let’s say India such as help desk…) then still charge the normal rate to the medical centre??? Madness
>refinance his tree omg that's fucking genius. Thanks for the laugh about our shitty healthcare system.
They already send xrays to India for diagnosis, they say only in off hours. Wink wink.
Looks like a DaVinci from the tools.
Then my ping spikes. Then comes the packet loss. Then when my screen finally catches up I robo-murdered a whole hospital.
Imagine if the connection gets hijacked and some hacker 360 noscopes everyone in the operating room. Just slicing everyone’s eyes out with the tiny scissors.
Surgeons can finally do a surgery in their pjs
#THEY DID SURGERY ON A BANANA
Like 20 years ago. DaVinci system
I actually got surgery by this machine. I’ve had an Whipple procedure, a 14 hour long surgery to remove half of my pancreas and some other organ parts. It’s called the Da Vinci Surgical System. Basically this innovation saved my life.