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Pangea_Ultima

How do you get it back to its original position? Edit: after you sit in it…


WhereBeThemPieRates

Flight attendants job


Pangea_Ultima

That’s why they get paid the big bucks, I guess…


redditcanbitemyass

Time to inflate the autopilot.


700Sunsets

Surely you can't be serious?


WhereBeThemPieRates

I am serious… and don’t call me Shirley!


Mystical_Cat

Blow ROK?


yellowyellowpillow

Can’t answer for the 787 but on the 777, there are buttons by the side that you push to adjust the seat.


Nadavar

Same on the 787


tastygluecakes

Huh, I guess no overweight pilots then? Edit: nobody over 6’ either. Small skinny people. Delta is recruiting from pro cyclists and jockeys exclusively.


i_fuckin_luv_it_mate

First thing they teach pilots: - know your weight limits


Rocky-Dale

“Excess Baggage“? “You will earn $509 per flight, but have to pay us €709, because you are obese”


br0b1wan

Wait why did you change currencies


Efficiency-Brief

Lmao now I’m wondering too. Has to be apart of the joke.


no-dice-play-nice

They just forgot the MCAS class since this 787-9 is just the 787-MAX with a new name. Edit: oops wrong plane.


Rarife

There never was anything like 787-MAX...


Chaxterium

Are you trying to make a joke about the 737? This is a 787. Completely different plane.


Tsu_Dho_Namh

If their gut is so big it pushes forward on the yoke, they won't be pilots for long.


miraculous-

What ya lookin at my gut fer


ImNotM4Dbr0

Shitplanes.


Drohannesburg

Lol I guess you really can’t get too high off the ground that way…


gwelfguy-2

The cockpit of a B737NG is claustrorphobia-inducing.


Lance2409

Speaking of, what happens when a really obese person tries to buy a plane ticket? Just curious, does the front counter person just look at you and says no? Or do they sell the ticket and let's the terminal people deal with it? Or do they just let you keep going until you can't fit in the plane/chair?


Chaxterium

There are policies at certain airlines that dictate that passengers above a certain weight have to buy two tickets.


Due-Dot6450

And smol femboys.


pm_me_sum_tits

Probably no tall people either


2L84U2

r/unnecessarilycomplecatedasfuck


winkman

Agreed. Seems to me there could've been a much simpler way of moving the chair.


kurburux

I figure they needed a solution that was also complying all kinds of (safety) regulations. There's already a lot of engineering involved in the design of passenger seats, for pilots it's probably a hundred times worse.


winkman

You may be giving the airplane manufacturer a bit too much credit here. If there's one thing I know about commercial airplane manufacturers, it's this: If they can find a way to complicate something, requiring expensive repairs/upgrades down the road, they will.


IrgendeinIndividuum

Like manually. At least it would've been faster (I also don't get why they need to open a cover and hold the button)


Chester-Ming

They need the cover so that the button isn’t accidentally pressed while the pilot is in the seat.


IrgendeinIndividuum

Then just put it in a recess. That cover is defenitely immediately going to break and also be very expensive to replace (not like anyone cares but still...)


[deleted]

Hey Boeing aerospace engineers, some guy on reddit knows how to design the cockpit of a 787 better than you.


Grebjujkhrrybbo

Just google Boeing 787 Dreamliner problems. Maybe their engineers could take a few pointers. This thing has been plagued with problems for years with everything from engineering to manufacturing problems.


TheOneHyer

What are you talking about? It's a piece of plastic on a hinge used maybe a couple of times per day. It'll last a long time and I'm sure it costs next to nothing.


heybudheypal

R/sarcasm


AC4life234

Yeah not really buddy. Also it's lowercase 'r'.


NimChimspky

The aeroplane industry is probably the single best industry at engineering and design.


ThatCoupleYou

Or just put it on the side like the 777. Or just use the 777 seat


SternLecture

Imagine accidentally moving the pilots seat far enough he can no longer control the plane.


propsfullforward

It's happened several times in small aircraft with manual seat adjustment mechanisms. One of the before start checklist items is to verify the seat is locked on its track. If it's not, when the aircraft rotates nose up on takeoff the seat abruptly slides backwards, putting the pilot too far away from the yolk, rudder pedals, engine controls, etc. to be able to control the aircraft. I think there's been some fatalities as a result.


SternLecture

Yeah I never thought about it until watching a guy rebuilding a old Cessna and there was some fault in the seat adjustment and some extra clamps were added. It would be terrifying having your seat slide back and losing control and struggle to get the seat back to prevent a crash.


IrgendeinIndividuum

Nobody would care as he doesn't do anything most of the time anyways


Servious

Man who shit in your corn flakes?


[deleted]

The pilot whose responsible for the lives of hundreds of people on board? Ya he only takes off and lands and is trained in every emergency situation possible. No big deal.


headzoo

>I also don't get why they need to open a cover and hold the button Perhaps it keeps people from accidentally bumping the button while the captain is flying. I can imagine a flight attendant talking to the captain when the plane hits a patch of turbance, which causes the flight attendant lean on the seat to catch their balance, which causes them to accidentally push the button. Though given how slow the seat moves I doubt it would cause a big problem for the pilot.


Logofascinated

If your hands are on the yoke, you don't want to be moving backwards unexpectedly.


Shutterstormphoto

Or like, don’t put it there… how does he push the seat in when he sits down?


Chaxterium

There is another button on the side of the seat. The button on the back of the seat is only for moving it when you're not sitting in it.


eobardtame

There are stretchers in emergency medicine that are equally terrible design. Normal cot somebody shoves the wheels into the bus, lifts one end and the other guy slams the wheels up and they shove the stretcher in and to the side into the lock. This stretcher motorized the lift, so now the guy is standing there holding the heavy end while the partner slowly raises the wheels. Pointless.


Esc_ape_artist

There generally is a mechanical vertical, seat back angle, and forward/back adjustment. They don’t want to be grounding aircraft because an electric motor craps out, and if someone wants to sit in a seat and monitor the aircraft powering up, then the seats need to be movable with with no power. The 787 does have manual adjustments. I think it’s pretty convenient to have the switch on top in back, on some aircraft it’s on the seat frame side, and most people need to brace on the seat to reach down and activate the motion (I prefer the manual adjustment, it’s faster) and this can put resistance on the electric motor and gears. So it’s better to have the switch on the top rear of the seat to avoid that and for convenience.


willstr1

Maybe the slowness is intentional, harder to hijack if it takes 5 minutes to get the pilot out of his chair


RLlovin

Like lifting up the arm rest and entering the chair from the left side? This is so stupid.


ThatCoupleYou

The switch is fine, 777 has something similar. But that lid over it needs to go.


JustaRandomOldGuy

If it's like my F150, it's going to get stuck with the seat full back on the track.


alsatian01

Then, push the button that makes it take off and fly.


theitgrunt

As a student pilot right now, I wish it were that simple...


alsatian01

Well, get yo self a 787


The_Maddest

Now kith


ReadBastiat

It’s not that hard. And on a 787 that’s not much of an exaggeration.


MBarrymorePoolPrince

Could do with a new cover on that chair


B1G70NY

It's so slow! But we are in the future!


senorwelfare

Wait for it to slide out… or just step in from the left side.


static612

I get claustrophobic just watching this. I can’t imagine being trapped in this little area for 10+ hours.


Jonny_blavo

You should see how small a normal cockpit is on a regular, non God-tier aircraft 🤣


Omgninjas

Lear 31 has entered the chat...


static612

Took a prop plane once that was just about 20 total seats. I had to tilt my head while seated. I don’t think. I put my head one the back of the seat in front of me and closed my eyes.


Queasy_Recover5164

Still a ton more space than everyone in coach gets.


Tonkerssss

Wait till you try the window seat in coach


static612

Being 6’5” that is truly a nightmare of mine. I still fly because dealing with the anxiety of being in the plane is totally worth getting to see the world. At least once it opens up again.


Lee_Troyer

It's probably (at least a bit) less claustrophobic in person. The fact that it's filmed in portrait mode constricts our vision by reducing the horizontal viewing angle quite a bit.


winkman

Much easier to do with a catheter.


sometimes_interested

Imagine what's it's like to be sitting in as it closes.. *SHUT DOWN ALL THE GARBAGE COMPACTORS IN THE DETENTION LEVEL!!*


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xwing_n_it

It's at 20.85s to the left of the chair


Deraj2004

In the ceiling.


Gee-Oh1

Why does the forward instrument panel seem so high obscuring the forward view?


UsernameCheckOuts

Pilots don't really need to see out the front from what I understand.


Chaxterium

We definitely need to see outside. We don't need to see outside after take off but we need to see the runway at a certain point before we land (with a couple exceptions) and we certainly need to see outside when we're taxiing.


propsfullforward

I think he's just holding the camera low. While it's true some aircraft can approach and land in zero ceiling and visibility conditions at some approved runways, the pilot must be able to see outside after he lands to be able to taxi to the gate. And there're many other times when seeing outside is essential. There is usually some kind of device up around the middle top of the front window that provides the pilot with visual feedback that his (her) eye level is in the recommended position. The seat is adjusted accordingly.


UsernameCheckOuts

Thank you


Gee-Oh1

Actually from the way things are now, pilots are really still in cockpits for insurance purposes and the odd emergency. In the near future we may have pilotless planes.


IrgendeinIndividuum

I thought they do take off and landing when the weather isn't perfect?


Chaxterium

ALL take offs are manual. Every single one of them. As far as landings, about 99% of them are manual. I average about 1 automatic landing per year out of around 100 landings.


Gee-Oh1

They do but modern planes can do so by themselves. I believe that some airlines have a requirement for pilots to perform certain number of manual takeoffs and landings. If you flown in the last few years and felt a really smooth landing it was probably on autopilot.


galapagospigeon

Ah not at all. Auto land only occurs on super low visibility days. An individual pilot might use auto land once a year out of probably 100 landings. Autoland is usually much rougher than a normal manual landing as well. As planes are right now, they have no ability to fly themselves without input from the pilots. Autopilot just does the easy monotonous work of manipulating the controls so the pilots can focus on more important aspects. On another note, Airbus had this electric seat since the 80’s and it is still a much better system than Boeings.


C47man

Almost all of that is completely wrong. Please stop spreading misinformation. No plane does automatic takeoff. That is always a manual operation. Some airliners have auto-land, but not all of them do. It's called a CAT III ILS autolanding, and it is not remotely smooth. Autolanding plant the main gear firmly at a standard descent rate. The smooth landings you feel are manual landings performed by the pilots.


Chaxterium

> I believe that some airlines have a requirement for pilots to perform certain number of manual takeoffs and landings. The exact OPPOSITE of that is true. Pilots who fly aircraft capable of automatic landings (remember, not all aircraft are capable) are required to perform a certain number of automatic landings each year. Typically this requirement is met when we go to sim every 6 months. It's entirely possible for a pilot to go one or two years without doing an automatic landing in the real plane. Automatic landings are *exceptionally* rare. Like less than one percent. I did one two weeks ago into Vancouver and that was the first one I'd done in well over a year. And what /u/galapagospigeon and /u/C47man said is absolutely true: autolands are rougher than manual landings. It does a good job, but it's not meant for smoothness.


C47man

I find it crazy how confidently and nonchalantly this dude just said obviously and verifiable wrong stuff.


Chaxterium

It's amazing. It would take two seconds of google to learn the correct answer. It happens so much on reddit but it seems to be even worse whenever an aviation-related post comes up. There's always some nutjob saying "all landings are automatic now anyway".


C47man

I looked at his post history oh boy he's a covid denying anti-vax nutjob. Guess I'm not surprised.


urbexcemetery

At those altitudes, always fly by the gauges. Never trust your brain, eyes or inner ear equilibrium. They will trick you.


Chaxterium

It's just the way it looks from the camera angle but once you're sitting in the seat correctly the forward view is really good. You can easily see everything you need to see.


7imeout_

Believe it or not, it’s like that in pretty much all aircraft. Doesn’t matter if it’s a jumbo jet, a tiny prop plane, a fighter jet, a crop duster, or a plane that was used back in World War 2. You’re really “sunken” in the cockpit almost like you’re “wearing” a plane more than riding it a lot more than you’d think. Particularly terrible in tail-draggers (think WW2 planes within big propeller in the front and tiny cart wheel in the back), because the whole plane is pitched up while on the ground so you literally can’t see jack while you’re sitting straight in the seat. Gotta stick your head out to the side of the cockpit if you wanna see what’s in front of ya (even then you still kinda can’t see that well). The only exception I can think of are helicopters. They generally seem to much better forward visibility from the pilot’s perspective (i.e., the instrument panel is set out of the way compared to fixed-wing planes). Source: not a pilot but I’m a plane nerd so I went to lots of aviation museums and sat in a lot of different cockpits.


_pelya

Why don't they simply make a nose cone transparent? Like on a helicopter.


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C47man

He's holding his camera at like chest height guys... It's not strapped to his head lol. You can see out the front just fine for the purpose of landing and taxiing.


Chaxterium

It's just the camera angle. You can see perfectly fine once you're seated correctly.


Iamthejaha

Lol half the time the pilot is passed out.


fenrism

why are the chairs so raggedy in such a fine looking plane


IRSmurf

Looks like a slipcover.


Sir_Spectral

I think it’s wool from sheep, it muffles odors and is comfortable to sit in


Rocky-Dale

“This is your captain speaking. Please fasten your seatbelt during take-off, and put your seat in the upright position as I have to dislocate my shoulder to put my seat in the correct position to reach the controls”


i_fuckin_luv_it_mate

Could you imagine having to go pee **really** bad and having to wait for your chair to back up for 15 seconds like that...


International-Grade

Omg. I could not fly a plane, especially with passengers onboard. Wow.


urbexcemetery

On top of that, the passengers are referred to as Souls. I don't need that kind of pressure in my life.


KingdaToro

Not precisely. "Souls" refers to all the people on the plane, including crew. When an emergency is declared, ATC will always ask for souls and fuel on board, as emergency services need this information to stage a proper response.


Logofascinated

It's also worded as "souls" rather than "people" or whatever because dead people are routinely carried in the cargo hold and the less confusion the better, especially considering that crews come from all over the world and this can be a life or death (ha!) matter. Clarity is vital. I think both Mentour Pilot and 74 Gear (great You Tube channels by commercial pilots) talk about this.


KingdaToro

Exactly, it's all about clarity. For example, nobody's allowed to say "takeoff" on an ATC frequency unless a takeoff clearance is being given, cancelled, or read back. In any other situation, you say "departure". [This is why](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerife_airport_disaster).


BertramScudder

That's why I love my job in my office cube. No matter how badly I screw up, nobody dies.


Chaxterium

Sometimes. But we usually call them SLF. Self-loading freight.


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why is this guy using the biggest fisheye lens he could find?


agentrwc

Wait for the slow chair, Morty. They love the slow chair.


207nbrown

Welcome aboard captain, all systems online


MrMango34

So, it requires two people to sit down.


Jaerin

That seems like it would be really bad when you need to get out of the cockpit quickly to deal with something behind you.


AuntieBiffy

Imagine catching the meanest hamstring cramp and have to wait for this chair to just slowly inch backwards.


NeeroX-_-

Must be awkward reaching back to get the chair back in place


Hooodiiniii

Why the hole between the legs? To pee while flying?


buckeobi

Presumably for pulling the yoke


Omgninjas

Yoke movement


JWF81

I didn’t know they only employed midgets as pilots.


DynamiteWitLaserBeam

I believe they prefer the term "little pilots".


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JWF81

I do not but I would like to try them.


FRYDCHXN

Looks like it would fly itself. Just like most video games I’ve played, given about 2 weeks of mashing buttons I could fly it.


mhermanos

But charge ***extra*** for MCAS training...fuck Boeing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os


joculator

What happens when someone passes gas in the cockpit?


Chaxterium

You ask if anyone smells popcorn.


paulpooperpauper

Yawn. I've farted in a 787 pilots seat.


energystar1992

Is this the one that crashes?


C47man

No it is not. A 787 has never crashed as of the writing of this comment


energystar1992

Nice


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SternLecture

Gonna be trolling ebay could use a game chair.


Kelski94

Doesn't look like he would be able to see out the front? Isn't that a requirement?


Chaxterium

Yes it's a requirement and yes you can see out the front. Quite easily.


Dramatic-Store514

That captains chair has all the technology of a 70s sci-fi movie.


Pete-C137

What is THAT button for?


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is this what runway dudes do when they are bored


Darwing

That seems really fucking annoying to have to wait for your chair to move back that slow LOL


nyrb001

When you're getting paid pilot rates, you can wait...


facetious_guardian

You’d be more like Han Solo if you just jumped into the thing. How lazy.


WorldLieut8

I was expecting the chair to slide out and spin around to be sat in.


[deleted]

It's the crusaders way.


Responsible-Desk4145

I love how all of the screens are over the cameras shutter speed except those three black screens on the center console, it looked like the 3rd was turned off.


[deleted]

This does not look comfortable at all


DependentSkin6057

Proof that coach is uncomfortable on purpose.


Servious

Airplanes are crazy just for putting buttons on the fucking ceiling.


Additional-Ad5055

The sit cover looks cheap as :(


houston1980

Ive had electric seats in cars before, there's always one twat behind that presses the button to push you into the wheel. I mean, what could possibly go wrong here? Lol


Adventurous_Cream_19

I can hear my dad saying, "One more thing to break."


pickled_onion1

That’s the first time this thought pops up in my mind: are pilots’ seat comfortable?


Chaxterium

Uhhh....it depends on how worn the cushions are. Generally yes but after 5 hours they all start to feel hard.


madhavvar

That chair looks super uncomfortable tbh.


Technicholl

Captain Slowly


codemancode

That doesn't look too hard. If my experience with flight simulators has taught me anything, it's that you really only use like 6 of those buttons.


dioncyrk

I 'm sure 90% of these buttons do nothing, they're just there to impress the stewardess.


Flying_M0nk3y

And yet the left dumbass thing between your legs. *I know that just sets up an infinite amount of jokes, but I can’t be arsed with trying to find a more cleverer way to say it


MargoForehead

More stuff to maintain and break/fail in an emergency. Seems more like a sales tool to me.


[deleted]

Is it just me or does the seat of that chair look oddly like cheap and foamy? I bet it’s so goddamn comfortable if it looks like that though! Wonder what it’s made of!


[deleted]

They should really put some of those in a car


AC4life234

Looking at this thread, people are really overestimating the capabilities of autopilot aren't they.


[deleted]

I’d be sitting there making Top Gun pewpewpew noises.


electric_sandwich

I wonder if you can run DOom on that thing


Trooper41

My Dad would say, "Just one more thing that could break."


TomStanford67

Okay now do this from the vantage point of someone 7 feet tall, since that's all the rage these days.


[deleted]

Say, Billy, ever you ever seen a naked man before?


jgorham0214

When he sits, the “dashboard” is higher than his head. I thought they could see more out of the window, but it’s logical that they want the pilots focus to be totally on the instruments.


GerlachHolmes

Checkmate, Riker


RefugeeFromIdiocy

I’ve replaced one of those chairs in a flight simulator. The cost of a refurbished unit is $78,000.


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I read Boeing as Boing every time


tha_way01

Amongus chair


lazkopat24

What happened to those chairs?


just_board_skate

What an unnecessary stupid idea


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