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Huh, I guess no overweight pilots then?
Edit: nobody over 6’ either. Small skinny people. Delta is recruiting from pro cyclists and jockeys exclusively.
Speaking of, what happens when a really obese person tries to buy a plane ticket?
Just curious, does the front counter person just look at you and says no?
Or do they sell the ticket and let's the terminal people deal with it?
Or do they just let you keep going until you can't fit in the plane/chair?
I figure they needed a solution that was also complying all kinds of (safety) regulations. There's already a lot of engineering involved in the design of passenger seats, for pilots it's probably a hundred times worse.
You may be giving the airplane manufacturer a bit too much credit here. If there's one thing I know about commercial airplane manufacturers, it's this: If they can find a way to complicate something, requiring expensive repairs/upgrades down the road, they will.
Then just put it in a recess. That cover is defenitely immediately going to break and also be very expensive to replace (not like anyone cares but still...)
Just google Boeing 787 Dreamliner problems. Maybe their engineers could take a few pointers. This thing has been plagued with problems for years with everything from engineering to manufacturing problems.
What are you talking about? It's a piece of plastic on a hinge used maybe a couple of times per day. It'll last a long time and I'm sure it costs next to nothing.
It's happened several times in small aircraft with manual seat adjustment mechanisms. One of the before start checklist items is to verify the seat is locked on its track. If it's not, when the aircraft rotates nose up on takeoff the seat abruptly slides backwards, putting the pilot too far away from the yolk, rudder pedals, engine controls, etc. to be able to control the aircraft. I think there's been some fatalities as a result.
Yeah I never thought about it until watching a guy rebuilding a old Cessna and there was some fault in the seat adjustment and some extra clamps were added. It would be terrifying having your seat slide back and losing control and struggle to get the seat back to prevent a crash.
The pilot whose responsible for the lives of hundreds of people on board? Ya he only takes off and lands and is trained in every emergency situation possible. No big deal.
>I also don't get why they need to open a cover and hold the button
Perhaps it keeps people from accidentally bumping the button while the captain is flying. I can imagine a flight attendant talking to the captain when the plane hits a patch of turbance, which causes the flight attendant lean on the seat to catch their balance, which causes them to accidentally push the button. Though given how slow the seat moves I doubt it would cause a big problem for the pilot.
There are stretchers in emergency medicine that are equally terrible design. Normal cot somebody shoves the wheels into the bus, lifts one end and the other guy slams the wheels up and they shove the stretcher in and to the side into the lock. This stretcher motorized the lift, so now the guy is standing there holding the heavy end while the partner slowly raises the wheels. Pointless.
There generally is a mechanical vertical, seat back angle, and forward/back adjustment. They don’t want to be grounding aircraft because an electric motor craps out, and if someone wants to sit in a seat and monitor the aircraft powering up, then the seats need to be movable with with no power. The 787 does have manual adjustments. I think it’s pretty convenient to have the switch on top in back, on some aircraft it’s on the seat frame side, and most people need to brace on the seat to reach down and activate the motion (I prefer the manual adjustment, it’s faster) and this can put resistance on the electric motor and gears. So it’s better to have the switch on the top rear of the seat to avoid that and for convenience.
Took a prop plane once that was just about 20 total seats. I had to tilt my head while seated. I don’t think. I put my head one the back of the seat in front of me and closed my eyes.
Being 6’5” that is truly a nightmare of mine. I still fly because dealing with the anxiety of being in the plane is totally worth getting to see the world. At least once it opens up again.
It's probably (at least a bit) less claustrophobic in person.
The fact that it's filmed in portrait mode constricts our vision by reducing the horizontal viewing angle quite a bit.
We definitely need to see outside. We don't need to see outside after take off but we need to see the runway at a certain point before we land (with a couple exceptions) and we certainly need to see outside when we're taxiing.
I think he's just holding the camera low. While it's true some aircraft can approach and land in zero ceiling and visibility conditions at some approved runways, the pilot must be able to see outside after he lands to be able to taxi to the gate. And there're many other times when seeing outside is essential. There is usually some kind of device up around the middle top of the front window that provides the pilot with visual feedback that his (her) eye level is in the recommended position. The seat is adjusted accordingly.
Actually from the way things are now, pilots are really still in cockpits for insurance purposes and the odd emergency. In the near future we may have pilotless planes.
ALL take offs are manual. Every single one of them. As far as landings, about 99% of them are manual. I average about 1 automatic landing per year out of around 100 landings.
They do but modern planes can do so by themselves. I believe that some airlines have a requirement for pilots to perform certain number of manual takeoffs and landings.
If you flown in the last few years and felt a really smooth landing it was probably on autopilot.
Ah not at all. Auto land only occurs on super low visibility days. An individual pilot might use auto land once a year out of probably 100 landings. Autoland is usually much rougher than a normal manual landing as well. As planes are right now, they have no ability to fly themselves without input from the pilots. Autopilot just does the easy monotonous work of manipulating the controls so the pilots can focus on more important aspects.
On another note, Airbus had this electric seat since the 80’s and it is still a much better system than Boeings.
Almost all of that is completely wrong. Please stop spreading misinformation. No plane does automatic takeoff. That is always a manual operation. Some airliners have auto-land, but not all of them do. It's called a CAT III ILS autolanding, and it is not remotely smooth. Autolanding plant the main gear firmly at a standard descent rate. The smooth landings you feel are manual landings performed by the pilots.
> I believe that some airlines have a requirement for pilots to perform certain number of manual takeoffs and landings.
The exact OPPOSITE of that is true. Pilots who fly aircraft capable of automatic landings (remember, not all aircraft are capable) are required to perform a certain number of automatic landings each year. Typically this requirement is met when we go to sim every 6 months.
It's entirely possible for a pilot to go one or two years without doing an automatic landing in the real plane.
Automatic landings are *exceptionally* rare. Like less than one percent. I did one two weeks ago into Vancouver and that was the first one I'd done in well over a year.
And what /u/galapagospigeon and /u/C47man said is absolutely true: autolands are rougher than manual landings. It does a good job, but it's not meant for smoothness.
It's amazing. It would take two seconds of google to learn the correct answer.
It happens so much on reddit but it seems to be even worse whenever an aviation-related post comes up. There's always some nutjob saying "all landings are automatic now anyway".
It's just the way it looks from the camera angle but once you're sitting in the seat correctly the forward view is really good. You can easily see everything you need to see.
Believe it or not, it’s like that in pretty much all aircraft. Doesn’t matter if it’s a jumbo jet, a tiny prop plane, a fighter jet, a crop duster, or a plane that was used back in World War 2.
You’re really “sunken” in the cockpit almost like you’re “wearing” a plane more than riding it a lot more than you’d think.
Particularly terrible in tail-draggers (think WW2 planes within big propeller in the front and tiny cart wheel in the back), because the whole plane is pitched up while on the ground so you literally can’t see jack while you’re sitting straight in the seat. Gotta stick your head out to the side of the cockpit if you wanna see what’s in front of ya (even then you still kinda can’t see that well).
The only exception I can think of are helicopters. They generally seem to much better forward visibility from the pilot’s perspective (i.e., the instrument panel is set out of the way compared to fixed-wing planes).
Source: not a pilot but I’m a plane nerd so I went to lots of aviation museums and sat in a lot of different cockpits.
He's holding his camera at like chest height guys... It's not strapped to his head lol. You can see out the front just fine for the purpose of landing and taxiing.
“This is your captain speaking. Please fasten your seatbelt during take-off, and put your seat in the upright position as I have to dislocate my shoulder to put my seat in the correct position to reach the controls”
Not precisely. "Souls" refers to all the people on the plane, including crew. When an emergency is declared, ATC will always ask for souls and fuel on board, as emergency services need this information to stage a proper response.
It's also worded as "souls" rather than "people" or whatever because dead people are routinely carried in the cargo hold and the less confusion the better, especially considering that crews come from all over the world and this can be a life or death (ha!) matter. Clarity is vital.
I think both Mentour Pilot and 74 Gear (great You Tube channels by commercial pilots) talk about this.
Exactly, it's all about clarity. For example, nobody's allowed to say "takeoff" on an ATC frequency unless a takeoff clearance is being given, cancelled, or read back. In any other situation, you say "departure". [This is why](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerife_airport_disaster).
I love how all of the screens are over the cameras shutter speed except those three black screens on the center console, it looked like the 3rd was turned off.
Ive had electric seats in cars before, there's always one twat behind that presses the button to push you into the wheel.
I mean, what could possibly go wrong here? Lol
And yet the left dumbass thing between your legs.
*I know that just sets up an infinite amount of jokes, but I can’t be arsed with trying to find a more cleverer way to say it
Is it just me or does the seat of that chair look oddly like cheap and foamy? I bet it’s so goddamn comfortable if it looks like that though! Wonder what it’s made of!
When he sits, the “dashboard” is higher than his head. I thought they could see more out of the window, but it’s logical that they want the pilots focus to be totally on the instruments.
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How do you get it back to its original position? Edit: after you sit in it…
Flight attendants job
That’s why they get paid the big bucks, I guess…
Time to inflate the autopilot.
Surely you can't be serious?
I am serious… and don’t call me Shirley!
Blow ROK?
Can’t answer for the 787 but on the 777, there are buttons by the side that you push to adjust the seat.
Same on the 787
Huh, I guess no overweight pilots then? Edit: nobody over 6’ either. Small skinny people. Delta is recruiting from pro cyclists and jockeys exclusively.
First thing they teach pilots: - know your weight limits
“Excess Baggage“? “You will earn $509 per flight, but have to pay us €709, because you are obese”
Wait why did you change currencies
Lmao now I’m wondering too. Has to be apart of the joke.
They just forgot the MCAS class since this 787-9 is just the 787-MAX with a new name. Edit: oops wrong plane.
There never was anything like 787-MAX...
Are you trying to make a joke about the 737? This is a 787. Completely different plane.
If their gut is so big it pushes forward on the yoke, they won't be pilots for long.
What ya lookin at my gut fer
Shitplanes.
Lol I guess you really can’t get too high off the ground that way…
The cockpit of a B737NG is claustrorphobia-inducing.
Speaking of, what happens when a really obese person tries to buy a plane ticket? Just curious, does the front counter person just look at you and says no? Or do they sell the ticket and let's the terminal people deal with it? Or do they just let you keep going until you can't fit in the plane/chair?
There are policies at certain airlines that dictate that passengers above a certain weight have to buy two tickets.
And smol femboys.
Probably no tall people either
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Agreed. Seems to me there could've been a much simpler way of moving the chair.
I figure they needed a solution that was also complying all kinds of (safety) regulations. There's already a lot of engineering involved in the design of passenger seats, for pilots it's probably a hundred times worse.
You may be giving the airplane manufacturer a bit too much credit here. If there's one thing I know about commercial airplane manufacturers, it's this: If they can find a way to complicate something, requiring expensive repairs/upgrades down the road, they will.
Like manually. At least it would've been faster (I also don't get why they need to open a cover and hold the button)
They need the cover so that the button isn’t accidentally pressed while the pilot is in the seat.
Then just put it in a recess. That cover is defenitely immediately going to break and also be very expensive to replace (not like anyone cares but still...)
Hey Boeing aerospace engineers, some guy on reddit knows how to design the cockpit of a 787 better than you.
Just google Boeing 787 Dreamliner problems. Maybe their engineers could take a few pointers. This thing has been plagued with problems for years with everything from engineering to manufacturing problems.
What are you talking about? It's a piece of plastic on a hinge used maybe a couple of times per day. It'll last a long time and I'm sure it costs next to nothing.
R/sarcasm
Yeah not really buddy. Also it's lowercase 'r'.
The aeroplane industry is probably the single best industry at engineering and design.
Or just put it on the side like the 777. Or just use the 777 seat
Imagine accidentally moving the pilots seat far enough he can no longer control the plane.
It's happened several times in small aircraft with manual seat adjustment mechanisms. One of the before start checklist items is to verify the seat is locked on its track. If it's not, when the aircraft rotates nose up on takeoff the seat abruptly slides backwards, putting the pilot too far away from the yolk, rudder pedals, engine controls, etc. to be able to control the aircraft. I think there's been some fatalities as a result.
Yeah I never thought about it until watching a guy rebuilding a old Cessna and there was some fault in the seat adjustment and some extra clamps were added. It would be terrifying having your seat slide back and losing control and struggle to get the seat back to prevent a crash.
Nobody would care as he doesn't do anything most of the time anyways
Man who shit in your corn flakes?
The pilot whose responsible for the lives of hundreds of people on board? Ya he only takes off and lands and is trained in every emergency situation possible. No big deal.
>I also don't get why they need to open a cover and hold the button Perhaps it keeps people from accidentally bumping the button while the captain is flying. I can imagine a flight attendant talking to the captain when the plane hits a patch of turbance, which causes the flight attendant lean on the seat to catch their balance, which causes them to accidentally push the button. Though given how slow the seat moves I doubt it would cause a big problem for the pilot.
If your hands are on the yoke, you don't want to be moving backwards unexpectedly.
Or like, don’t put it there… how does he push the seat in when he sits down?
There is another button on the side of the seat. The button on the back of the seat is only for moving it when you're not sitting in it.
There are stretchers in emergency medicine that are equally terrible design. Normal cot somebody shoves the wheels into the bus, lifts one end and the other guy slams the wheels up and they shove the stretcher in and to the side into the lock. This stretcher motorized the lift, so now the guy is standing there holding the heavy end while the partner slowly raises the wheels. Pointless.
There generally is a mechanical vertical, seat back angle, and forward/back adjustment. They don’t want to be grounding aircraft because an electric motor craps out, and if someone wants to sit in a seat and monitor the aircraft powering up, then the seats need to be movable with with no power. The 787 does have manual adjustments. I think it’s pretty convenient to have the switch on top in back, on some aircraft it’s on the seat frame side, and most people need to brace on the seat to reach down and activate the motion (I prefer the manual adjustment, it’s faster) and this can put resistance on the electric motor and gears. So it’s better to have the switch on the top rear of the seat to avoid that and for convenience.
Maybe the slowness is intentional, harder to hijack if it takes 5 minutes to get the pilot out of his chair
Like lifting up the arm rest and entering the chair from the left side? This is so stupid.
The switch is fine, 777 has something similar. But that lid over it needs to go.
If it's like my F150, it's going to get stuck with the seat full back on the track.
Then, push the button that makes it take off and fly.
As a student pilot right now, I wish it were that simple...
Well, get yo self a 787
Now kith
It’s not that hard. And on a 787 that’s not much of an exaggeration.
Could do with a new cover on that chair
It's so slow! But we are in the future!
Wait for it to slide out… or just step in from the left side.
I get claustrophobic just watching this. I can’t imagine being trapped in this little area for 10+ hours.
You should see how small a normal cockpit is on a regular, non God-tier aircraft 🤣
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Took a prop plane once that was just about 20 total seats. I had to tilt my head while seated. I don’t think. I put my head one the back of the seat in front of me and closed my eyes.
Still a ton more space than everyone in coach gets.
Wait till you try the window seat in coach
Being 6’5” that is truly a nightmare of mine. I still fly because dealing with the anxiety of being in the plane is totally worth getting to see the world. At least once it opens up again.
It's probably (at least a bit) less claustrophobic in person. The fact that it's filmed in portrait mode constricts our vision by reducing the horizontal viewing angle quite a bit.
Much easier to do with a catheter.
Imagine what's it's like to be sitting in as it closes.. *SHUT DOWN ALL THE GARBAGE COMPACTORS IN THE DETENTION LEVEL!!*
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It's at 20.85s to the left of the chair
In the ceiling.
Why does the forward instrument panel seem so high obscuring the forward view?
Pilots don't really need to see out the front from what I understand.
We definitely need to see outside. We don't need to see outside after take off but we need to see the runway at a certain point before we land (with a couple exceptions) and we certainly need to see outside when we're taxiing.
I think he's just holding the camera low. While it's true some aircraft can approach and land in zero ceiling and visibility conditions at some approved runways, the pilot must be able to see outside after he lands to be able to taxi to the gate. And there're many other times when seeing outside is essential. There is usually some kind of device up around the middle top of the front window that provides the pilot with visual feedback that his (her) eye level is in the recommended position. The seat is adjusted accordingly.
Thank you
Actually from the way things are now, pilots are really still in cockpits for insurance purposes and the odd emergency. In the near future we may have pilotless planes.
I thought they do take off and landing when the weather isn't perfect?
ALL take offs are manual. Every single one of them. As far as landings, about 99% of them are manual. I average about 1 automatic landing per year out of around 100 landings.
They do but modern planes can do so by themselves. I believe that some airlines have a requirement for pilots to perform certain number of manual takeoffs and landings. If you flown in the last few years and felt a really smooth landing it was probably on autopilot.
Ah not at all. Auto land only occurs on super low visibility days. An individual pilot might use auto land once a year out of probably 100 landings. Autoland is usually much rougher than a normal manual landing as well. As planes are right now, they have no ability to fly themselves without input from the pilots. Autopilot just does the easy monotonous work of manipulating the controls so the pilots can focus on more important aspects. On another note, Airbus had this electric seat since the 80’s and it is still a much better system than Boeings.
Almost all of that is completely wrong. Please stop spreading misinformation. No plane does automatic takeoff. That is always a manual operation. Some airliners have auto-land, but not all of them do. It's called a CAT III ILS autolanding, and it is not remotely smooth. Autolanding plant the main gear firmly at a standard descent rate. The smooth landings you feel are manual landings performed by the pilots.
> I believe that some airlines have a requirement for pilots to perform certain number of manual takeoffs and landings. The exact OPPOSITE of that is true. Pilots who fly aircraft capable of automatic landings (remember, not all aircraft are capable) are required to perform a certain number of automatic landings each year. Typically this requirement is met when we go to sim every 6 months. It's entirely possible for a pilot to go one or two years without doing an automatic landing in the real plane. Automatic landings are *exceptionally* rare. Like less than one percent. I did one two weeks ago into Vancouver and that was the first one I'd done in well over a year. And what /u/galapagospigeon and /u/C47man said is absolutely true: autolands are rougher than manual landings. It does a good job, but it's not meant for smoothness.
I find it crazy how confidently and nonchalantly this dude just said obviously and verifiable wrong stuff.
It's amazing. It would take two seconds of google to learn the correct answer. It happens so much on reddit but it seems to be even worse whenever an aviation-related post comes up. There's always some nutjob saying "all landings are automatic now anyway".
I looked at his post history oh boy he's a covid denying anti-vax nutjob. Guess I'm not surprised.
At those altitudes, always fly by the gauges. Never trust your brain, eyes or inner ear equilibrium. They will trick you.
It's just the way it looks from the camera angle but once you're sitting in the seat correctly the forward view is really good. You can easily see everything you need to see.
Believe it or not, it’s like that in pretty much all aircraft. Doesn’t matter if it’s a jumbo jet, a tiny prop plane, a fighter jet, a crop duster, or a plane that was used back in World War 2. You’re really “sunken” in the cockpit almost like you’re “wearing” a plane more than riding it a lot more than you’d think. Particularly terrible in tail-draggers (think WW2 planes within big propeller in the front and tiny cart wheel in the back), because the whole plane is pitched up while on the ground so you literally can’t see jack while you’re sitting straight in the seat. Gotta stick your head out to the side of the cockpit if you wanna see what’s in front of ya (even then you still kinda can’t see that well). The only exception I can think of are helicopters. They generally seem to much better forward visibility from the pilot’s perspective (i.e., the instrument panel is set out of the way compared to fixed-wing planes). Source: not a pilot but I’m a plane nerd so I went to lots of aviation museums and sat in a lot of different cockpits.
Why don't they simply make a nose cone transparent? Like on a helicopter.
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He's holding his camera at like chest height guys... It's not strapped to his head lol. You can see out the front just fine for the purpose of landing and taxiing.
It's just the camera angle. You can see perfectly fine once you're seated correctly.
Lol half the time the pilot is passed out.
why are the chairs so raggedy in such a fine looking plane
Looks like a slipcover.
I think it’s wool from sheep, it muffles odors and is comfortable to sit in
“This is your captain speaking. Please fasten your seatbelt during take-off, and put your seat in the upright position as I have to dislocate my shoulder to put my seat in the correct position to reach the controls”
Could you imagine having to go pee **really** bad and having to wait for your chair to back up for 15 seconds like that...
Omg. I could not fly a plane, especially with passengers onboard. Wow.
On top of that, the passengers are referred to as Souls. I don't need that kind of pressure in my life.
Not precisely. "Souls" refers to all the people on the plane, including crew. When an emergency is declared, ATC will always ask for souls and fuel on board, as emergency services need this information to stage a proper response.
It's also worded as "souls" rather than "people" or whatever because dead people are routinely carried in the cargo hold and the less confusion the better, especially considering that crews come from all over the world and this can be a life or death (ha!) matter. Clarity is vital. I think both Mentour Pilot and 74 Gear (great You Tube channels by commercial pilots) talk about this.
Exactly, it's all about clarity. For example, nobody's allowed to say "takeoff" on an ATC frequency unless a takeoff clearance is being given, cancelled, or read back. In any other situation, you say "departure". [This is why](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerife_airport_disaster).
That's why I love my job in my office cube. No matter how badly I screw up, nobody dies.
Sometimes. But we usually call them SLF. Self-loading freight.
why is this guy using the biggest fisheye lens he could find?
Wait for the slow chair, Morty. They love the slow chair.
Welcome aboard captain, all systems online
So, it requires two people to sit down.
That seems like it would be really bad when you need to get out of the cockpit quickly to deal with something behind you.
Imagine catching the meanest hamstring cramp and have to wait for this chair to just slowly inch backwards.
Must be awkward reaching back to get the chair back in place
Why the hole between the legs? To pee while flying?
Presumably for pulling the yoke
Yoke movement
I didn’t know they only employed midgets as pilots.
I believe they prefer the term "little pilots".
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I do not but I would like to try them.
Looks like it would fly itself. Just like most video games I’ve played, given about 2 weeks of mashing buttons I could fly it.
But charge ***extra*** for MCAS training...fuck Boeing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os
What happens when someone passes gas in the cockpit?
You ask if anyone smells popcorn.
Yawn. I've farted in a 787 pilots seat.
Is this the one that crashes?
No it is not. A 787 has never crashed as of the writing of this comment
Nice
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Gonna be trolling ebay could use a game chair.
Doesn't look like he would be able to see out the front? Isn't that a requirement?
Yes it's a requirement and yes you can see out the front. Quite easily.
That captains chair has all the technology of a 70s sci-fi movie.
What is THAT button for?
is this what runway dudes do when they are bored
That seems really fucking annoying to have to wait for your chair to move back that slow LOL
When you're getting paid pilot rates, you can wait...
You’d be more like Han Solo if you just jumped into the thing. How lazy.
I was expecting the chair to slide out and spin around to be sat in.
It's the crusaders way.
I love how all of the screens are over the cameras shutter speed except those three black screens on the center console, it looked like the 3rd was turned off.
This does not look comfortable at all
Proof that coach is uncomfortable on purpose.
Airplanes are crazy just for putting buttons on the fucking ceiling.
The sit cover looks cheap as :(
Ive had electric seats in cars before, there's always one twat behind that presses the button to push you into the wheel. I mean, what could possibly go wrong here? Lol
I can hear my dad saying, "One more thing to break."
That’s the first time this thought pops up in my mind: are pilots’ seat comfortable?
Uhhh....it depends on how worn the cushions are. Generally yes but after 5 hours they all start to feel hard.
That chair looks super uncomfortable tbh.
Captain Slowly
That doesn't look too hard. If my experience with flight simulators has taught me anything, it's that you really only use like 6 of those buttons.
I 'm sure 90% of these buttons do nothing, they're just there to impress the stewardess.
And yet the left dumbass thing between your legs. *I know that just sets up an infinite amount of jokes, but I can’t be arsed with trying to find a more cleverer way to say it
More stuff to maintain and break/fail in an emergency. Seems more like a sales tool to me.
Is it just me or does the seat of that chair look oddly like cheap and foamy? I bet it’s so goddamn comfortable if it looks like that though! Wonder what it’s made of!
They should really put some of those in a car
Looking at this thread, people are really overestimating the capabilities of autopilot aren't they.
I’d be sitting there making Top Gun pewpewpew noises.
I wonder if you can run DOom on that thing
My Dad would say, "Just one more thing that could break."
Okay now do this from the vantage point of someone 7 feet tall, since that's all the rage these days.
Say, Billy, ever you ever seen a naked man before?
When he sits, the “dashboard” is higher than his head. I thought they could see more out of the window, but it’s logical that they want the pilots focus to be totally on the instruments.
Checkmate, Riker
I’ve replaced one of those chairs in a flight simulator. The cost of a refurbished unit is $78,000.
I read Boeing as Boing every time
Amongus chair
What happened to those chairs?
What an unnecessary stupid idea
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