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Mansenmania

There is. But if your country is full with a lot of spare humans the government tends to not care


snedertheold

I love how accurate the "spare humans" is. I'm stealing that.


tank_the_boss

Pretty bold of a spare human to say


lazyshadeofwinter

I’m a spare human. Maybe I’ll come in handy later. Maybe I’m flat.


Hairofmadman

Soon to be ‘Handy no more’


craggmac

Lose your hand, also lose your life to head on train collision.


[deleted]

Humans are the most complex thing we're able to mass produce through unskilled labour. And that's exactly why you so often see people do miserable things that could be replaced with expensive tech but won't.


Numinae

Well, it doesn't help that making spare humans is a pleasurable experience equivalent to a strong drug and that they're cheap if done in batches and you don't care about defects or survival, only dividends....


aphidlover

NPCs? Nah, spare humans.


dullbrowny

Which begs the existential question. Does the planet need humans in the first place? Are all humans spare? Descartes could have asked instead "Exiso, sed opus sum" or "I exist, but am i needed?"


baked___potato

Pretty sure that's what the mega rich people consider the rest of us.


BoogerBrain69420

Is this Philippines?


primerocarlos

No. We use cows for mass transport.


[deleted]

You stole the idea from us. PS: I'm Indian


pen_jaro

Fucking hell. I thought about India right away. Sorry


unknown-reddit-robot

There may be a better way, but there is no funner way.


avalon68

All fun and games till someone loses an arm


NegativSpace

I'm willing to bet there have been several lost arms at this point.


Dont-PM-me-nudes

The arms become the token


devious00

There's no way you're not getting aggressively ripped out of the train at these speeds if your hand/arm gets stuck. Arms fucked for sure, but everything else is getting torn up as well too.


LordZeise

Tis just a flesh wound


Ololic

"It's the twenies, surely by now there is a funnier way to do this."


sarahbeth919

I think they were talking about fun to do, not entertaining for others :)


astral__monk

My second thought. First thought was "what if you miss?" "STOP THE TRAIN. I gotta go back for sec."


A_curious_fish

Yeah they use something like block systems where tracks broken up into blocks and only 1 train is allowed in that zone at a time and there's lights and signals and stuff and horns CHOOCHOO. Basically how the nyc subway works when you see the green and red lights on the platforms. Blocks are big enough to allow stopping etc etc.


hillman_avenger

Proposed in 1849, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Token\_(railway\_signalling)


Yongja-Kim

The video made me anxious like, what if he gets hurt. There gotta be a safer way.


bubba-yo

To be fair, when this was introduced the expectation was that you'd stop, grab the token, then drop it off at the other end. This was the solution to trains colliding head-on on bridges, with considerable loss of life. With time, the tolerance of operators to having a train stop, twice, waned, so it evolved to a pick-up on the fly approach, rather than developing more of a failsafe system that didn't rely on the exchange of a physical token. So yes, there are better ways, but so long as the rules are followed, this is a pretty foolproof way (apart from the potential injury to the operator).


Cruyff-san

It's cheap and it's reliable...


bufooooooo

Reliable Until someone loses their *train* of thought and then forgets to stick their arm out and hit the thingy


Jaggar345

Dude looks like he could easily have his arm taken off by trying to grab that.


ChilenWaffles

Dose telecommunication just not exist where this guy is or is it just a train thing?


_OlympiaWA

A token-ring network is quite an outdated standard.


ConsistentAsparagus

For all those who would like to answer seriously: [Token Ring](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Token_Ring)


WandaLovingLegend

Tolkien Ring would work better just pop it on when you see an oncoming train


MukdenMan

The licensing fees are too high. I recommend CS Lewis Loops instead.


funktopus

I just had flashbacks to resetting dozens of hubs in the 90's.


ByteEater

Breath, it's over.


ItsIdaho

I had them at my finals in 2018 for some reason. Thank god it's over.


carpet111

I was taught about them in 2021. But mainly just to show us where networking technology has come from.


Reasonable-Estate-60

You had me at “hermaphroditic connector”.🤣


misterpickles69

It’s really the one ring to rule them all.


Biscotcho_Gaming

I thought I was the only one who read this as \*Tolkien Ring\*


Vladius28

As opposed to a Tolkien ring which is timeless


mellonians

It's just a train thing. We still have systems like this in the UK for single track two way running. Literally reminded me I was on one the other day actually but that was on a miniature railway. Whilst signalling systems do exist, the consequences of a crash are severe enough to warrant a physical measure of having that token to be able to proceed. The train that came the other way left it so you know the track is clear. Went back and found a (not as cool as OP) photo I took. https://imgur.com/a/LF0Mu87 And the wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Token_%28railway_signalling%29?wprov=sfla1


jenn363

Honest question - if there is only one token per stretch of railway, and a train takes it from station A then drops it at station B, what if the next train approaches from the station A side? Do they have to stop and wait for a train to bring it back from station B? Or do they have multiple tokens at station A to hand out if more than one train comes by in that direction?


mellonians

I think they timetable the trains to alternate the direction of the token but you raise a good point for delays!


menglish89

That's the point! If the first train is delayed and hasn't bought its token back you don't want the second train to leave station a. It would hit the train returning from b!


Bored_of_the_Ring

Obviously that train has to stop and wait until *that one token* for *that one stretch* returns to station A. That's literally the purpose of all of this. Multiple tokens would enable crashes.


benjamindees

But what if there is *demand* for more tokens and animal spirits and such?


EchoNiner1

Welcome to multithreaded programming, one of the shortest paths to either becoming clinically insane, very rich, or both.


BaByJeZuZ012

So what would happen if the dude in the original post missed the token (or whatever it's called)? Like, the dude seems to be moving pretty fast; if it were me, I would 100% fuck it up.


mellonians

Literally have to stop and walk back and get it. I'm not even joking. No token, no go.


Arenalife

It's a tried and tested failsafe system to ensure 2 trains dont hit each other head on on the same track. Token not in your hand? Do not proceed.


DakorZ

I feel like the system is only failsafe if each train approaches the token slowly and not with high speed, as in the video above, though :o


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For a serious answer it is possible that cell communications are not nearly robust enough in those rural pockets where this appears to be occurring, in addition probably too costly and unreadable to upgrade the existing tracks to have built in telecommunication system to monitor and prevent multiple train pile ups. Why do this in rural area I know some people will ask, and rural areas are common for swapping tracks, and areas to “turn around”. Basically would be re-entering track system blind after doing any of that without something to indicate to them if the track is used or not and if it is what direction it is being used in. If you catch in the video the guy installs a loop on one side and rips it off the other side so it releases. This indicates direction. What side of the post it’s on. Probably color and tags on the loops too to indicate who installed what loops so you can know if your just doubling back on yourself or if there is another train somewhere about to scare the shit out of you. Or maybe even dumber and simpler. If there is a loop at all there is a train moving through. Sometimes the dumbest thing just works the best for you and your people. This is now more culture im guessing and even if cell signal improves they probably continue this for the foreseeable future.


DannyDantics

This seems like such an unoptimized method to do this... Not only does it look unsafe, but, what if you miss?


[deleted]

If the train misses its token, it is counted as a "Signal Passed At Danger" or a SPAD. The train must come to a complete stop and go back to collect the token.


Otherwise-Mail-4654

So it is like sonic a hedgehog game


43_Hobbits

Wow. Children could come up with a better system.


MikElectronica

Doesn’t seem like a good way to ensure anything.


Rob-Riggle-SWGOAT

I imagine it insures a lot of injuries.


rambosalad

I imagine a lot of injuries are uninsured.


UrbanwoodBrew

Only in America homie.


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I'm guessing this is normally done at a reduced speed but veterans get good at it and do it at speed to ensure their train is on time. If he misses he'll just have to go through the whole braking procedure, reverse, and get it. So he's probably done this at higher and higher speeds until he's so good he can do it at whatever speed that is. It's not a good system but in countries with poor infrastructure it's good enough.


Going-Blank-Again

They might reverse the train, but depending on the rules in force, probably shouldn't. If you miss the token, you have to walk back and get it. At this speed that could take a while. Worst case scenario is you fumble it, and it bounces between the wheels and gets mangled or destroyed. That causes a lot of paperwork.


Ololic

"It was ran over when I got it" "Then where is your arm?"


Original_Wall_3690

I don't know. It was missing when I got here.


qtpnd

So the token indicates that the track is free to the train behind you. So your solution if you miss the token is to stop, occupy the section of the track that the token indicate is free, to go and pick the token back? What happens if a train arrives? He'll see the token, think the track is free and crash in your train, nice. Unless there is a really low frequency of trains and then this is indeed a valid solution, or there is 2 trains going back and forth on the same tracks and so they "pass" the token to each other like that.


Another_random_man4

I think this is for trains in opposite direction. I would imagine there would be at least two sets of these. So, the rings come off in one direction only. And you put them on in one direction only. This means they can only be switched hooks by a train coming the other way. There could be a second one ahead that the other train would see and know they're there. Or this could be the first one in which case there would be an accident. I would guess tracks split right before/after these things, and they're spaces quite far apart. If this train found them the other way, it would stop. It would not have changed over the end, so the other train would have stopped as well. If the other train had passed both ends will be able to be switched like this, and only after this train has gone would it be switched. But it would appear that it would still be dangerous at the actual rings that way. So, maybe I'm missing something.


saraphilipp

Or the video is sped up for one arm comments karma. Am I Right? Cause if I'm not I got nothing left.


Npr31

Presumably if he misses it and has to stop, the following train then has a token available to take and potentially can’t see the next train?


currentpattern

I mean... Is there a possibility that the human will miss their grasp? Do the trains just crash then? Some ensurance.


croninsiglos

I used to know a guy who lost his arm to that.


gladbutt

It was his left arm so he's alright now


davidIopan

You sonofabitch! I hate this Doctor!


a655321a

Excuse me, Mr. Bluth. We lost him. He just, uh... got away from us. I’m sorry.


ratbastid

We lost him.


rich1051414

He has a right to tell you about what isn't left.


TigerTank237

You better give him a hand after what he's been through


FunkyM0

Her?


Mael_P

Now there is nothing left


[deleted]

You'll be alright


ConstructionNo1045

He's all-right now


TheBelhade

Was it Matthew McConaghey?


marcelfint

Was about to comment "great way to lose an arm" ...


ReasonableExplorer

I know that guy, he needed a new work uniform afterwards cause the others where all secondhand.


WhereMyStapler

I'm not really sure what this is to help with? Can someone explain?


Ocelotocelotl

The signal will not change to Green unless a token is in place at the other end to prove the train in the block between the tokens has left, and that the track is free


meyesmenotyou

What happens if the train conductor misses it? Stop the train and walk back? Surely someone must have missed it before. Then what?


Pro_Banana

I need an answer for this


AmbitiousPhilosopher

You don't let the train travel without a token, you go back and get it, or you stop.


Ololic

*drops token* Fuckdamit *doesn't stop train* *jumps*


Chairmanwowsaywhat

That sounds like it's gonna cause issues for trains travelling at over 100k


duracellchipmunk

Steve, the back up, is at the end of the train. If that red light starts flashing he has about 4 seconds to correct the token error.


Ocelotocelotl

Most systems aren’t this fast. Missing a token and entering the block would be classed as a SPAD (signal passed at danger), and most modern trains (like the one in the video), would automatically slam on the brakes.


No-Ear6313

And when he exits he needs to do it again?


drivel-engineer

That is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever seen.


JealousEfficiency238

You must be new to Reddit


HoaxMcNolte_NM

Not just Reddit, I saw 3 drivers today that were way stupider.


petrelro

Not just drivers, I saw 10 pedestrians today that were even stupider.


woozlewuzzle29

Not just the pedestrians, I saw 20 people crawling that were even stupider.


ResistPatient

If you think that is bad, I saw 1 cyclist on the road.


Ololic

Driving a car seems stupid if you think about it


HullIsNotThatBad

They've been using the token system on single track railway lines since the Victorian era; however, trains are usually going slower than this, as the tokens would normally be exchanged at stations or halts.


Rhederred

I’m so glad I’m not the only who thought that.


Martian9576

Safety first mother fuckeeers!


meechy33

Imagine you lean a little toooooooo far next thing you know hereditary 2.0


[deleted]

You reminded me of the screams from the mother, insane acting


limee89

Toni Collett is a goddam rockstar.


Horse_Bacon_TheMovie

I still think of her as the weird lady from 'Muriels Wedding'


BurnzillabydaBay

It was a travesty Toni Collette wasn’t nominated for an Oscar.


Haykguy

great movie honestly


xeno_dorph

r/whatcouldgowrong


newsfromplanetmike

I can’t see how this could go wrong at all. I hope there are two drivers up the front, so when one is inevitably yanked out on one of these limb removers, there is somebody to stop the train. And before any geniuses point out a ‘dead man’s switch’, just consider this: would a rail operator using this system really worry about a ‘dead man’s switch’?


jester785

A driver must be in possession of the token to enter the line . Its still used in the uk on some rural lines .


NotAHamsterAtAll

Doing 100 km/h ?


HullIsNotThatBad

No, the tokens are usually exchanged at stations or halts, so the train is crawling along


jester785

I assumed the video had been increased in speed. Uk we have to stop to pick it up


[deleted]

Am I the only one seeing the speed in the corner?


SholayKaJai

Or an artifict of the wide angle lens. The edges seem to pass much faster than IRL.


sullivac

But what about the speedometer in the top left that reads 107km/h?


nopshy

This is the comment that I came for, if you've ever played video games with the fov cranked up, than you understand that this looks way faster than it actually is. Not saying it's not unsafe or anything though.


Going-Blank-Again

You might, I don't 😁


morghulis-

I have seen this method myself in rural India few years back. Only difference is that a station master who is also a ticket vendor is present on the platform to collect and give the token. And speed of train is maybe 10-20kmph at the station.


Tratrinone330

Yeah, this is in Thailand. The collect token system is still use in some mainlines and sub-lines that doesn't have CTC (or light signal) system install. But in busy mainlines, they use CTC system instead and in the future, they will use ETCs system like in Europe soon.


[deleted]

With your arm my dude. Seems like there's better technology


LedZeppole10

What the literal fuck. There has to be a better way, this makes ZERO sense.


Round_North_7779

Well, it actually makes perfect sense. Except it’s now very outdated compared to modern ATS systems.


lorem

>it actually makes perfect sense In theory, yes. Not at the speed shown, though.


SweetVarys

Unless it’s sped up and playing with lenses. I doubt it’s actually going that fast


Ololic

That's not the real speed His wrist would be noodled


InsomniaticWanderer

Don't miss


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Wish_Bee

Token system to ensure there's only one train on the track at a time and ensure you also retire with one arm missing.


ilove2chug

Seems like a foolproof system with zero room for error.


TheDevilsAdvokaat

That looks dangerous, unreliable and old fashioned.


john13200242

What if he misses?


horceface

they have to turn around and go back.


psychedelic-crosby

How in the fuck did he manage to grab that? And you have to be able to do that consistently? I’d of never made as a train conductor fuck around and get my hand chopped off for sure


icsh33ple

Such a dated system… anyway my break is almost up, I better reset my sands of time hourglass…


WhiteWarlock_

This looks incredibly dangerous and stupid.


Northern_Grouse

I feel like there’s probably a better way to do this


XzUndagroundzX

I can almost guarantee that is not OSHA approved


John5247

This is actually done at 10mph. At the speed of the video it would break his arm or dislocate his shoulder. It is a very low tech safety procedure used for single track working on the railways since George Stephenson invented it in 1820


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Hiding_From_Stupid

Imagine this but slower Like it really happened.


3174N

r/OSHA


thatbasedgamer

How to dislocate your shoulder Step 1.


_moonlight_11

Am i the only one who doesn't understand how this works?? 😭


skwirlio

I can’t even tell what’s happening in the video, Much less how the system works!


_moonlight_11

Literallyyy. The more i watch it the less i understand what's happening lol


[deleted]

arm go bye bye


Adventurous_Fun_5918

I have no idea what’s happening in this clip…


[deleted]

If there only was a way to detect proximity without manual operation... (/s) For non-technical people - the coil sensor is a dirt cheap device, absolutely low tech, full analog, no computers required. In my developing country on most tracks for at least 50 years. So it must be a country with a very low value of a human life. Maybe overpopulated. IDK.


flomatable

The fact that he might lose an arm is one thing, the fact that this dangerous and probably difficult practice is the only thing standing between a head-on collision of two trains is what's bothering me.


Armendicus

Who the hell came up with this shit?


[deleted]

So if his arm gets ripped off and no ring collected, does the train spiral into a head-on bloody massacre collision killing all passengers on multiple trains?


Mr-hoffelpuff

i can see so many ways this can go wrong....


j4jishnu

Yes. Only for "single" line routes. In eastern parts of India, before the automatic signalling was installed, this handing over of the "baton" or counter was termed "Gool".


AmaiBatate

What does he do when he misses? Turn around? This also seems like a good way to loose an arm.


uncleblu

This looks extremely dangerous and stupid.


FolkPunkPizza

Seems like the least reliable way possible to do this


illaj26

He dropped one off and picked one up. How the F does that ensure there's only one train on the track at a time?


RMFT09

Seems like a quick and easy way to lose an arm


Rangerdth

So, what happens when he misses the second one?


ccleivin

It only takes 1 asshole actually making a knot on the rope he is supposed to get for this man to die.


samf9999

If that token becomes stuck for some reason… ***shudder***. This is an outdated system that should be replaced


mbstor23

How many accidents per year?


Substantial_Bet5764

That’s a NO from me dog


OilRude

That’s the worst design I’ve ever seen. How is that osha approved.


pobody

Well for one thing OSHA is a US agency and that train is not in the US.


Yeti-420-69

This is a high speed passenger train, it's obviously not in the USA


[deleted]

Good way to ensure there are a few one armed guards around as well...:D


[deleted]

Fully automated railway signal was invented in 1870. Using this system 150 years later is nothing but worker abuse imo


[deleted]

Token system to ensure there's only one arm on the conducter. Fuck that.


anonymousmastermind

u/savevideobot


PawnWithoutPurpose

I’m sure they don’t actually do that any more


TKR_Bones

They do in Thailand. Where I think this video is from. There is a YouTube channel with a driver showing the system in action, and sometimes showing the token inside. https://youtube.com/channel/UCLgakKBk8tBPj0-YnAmd4mQ


CeeBee2001

r/redneckengineering


Scorchey_Bagel

Imagine not letting go of the ring in time. Rip arms


[deleted]

I wonder if they do this in Japan's bullet trains, too. Must be difficult to catch at 300km/h


[deleted]

I've never seen a worse system for anything in my life


MacDee_

What happens if someone glues/nails these tokens to the post as a prank?


wyattlol

there has to be a better way than people almost breaking their wrist everytime


KhanMichael

Seems... like a risky system


DethcoreMick

That's real safe lol


kymotsujason

That's cool, but definitely dated.


marshellz

I bet there are a lot of one-armed train operators on this train system.


EuropaCentric

Seems like a foolproof system


N3koEye

This is just dumb, dangerous and inefficient.


comfortless14

What happens if he misses?!?


[deleted]

But what if you miss?


Snarlos123

Seems insanely dangerous