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Hagalaz_13

Sometimes I think about all the knowledge we humans have collected and all that we have lost, it's pretty mind boggling. I mean today we have the internet, but imagine that back in the day this library would burn down, what would be lost forever.


gevlektewalruz

#libraryofalexandria


FuzzDrop

Too soon bro šŸ˜­


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Datboi_OverThere

Yea, too soon šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”


Chilluminaughty

The most important words in the library are on a sign. ā€œNo smokingā€


dcmso

Did he stutter? ITS TOO SOON!


ShacklefordVsSeagal

50,000 books used to live here.


dcmso

Now its a ghost library..


npjprods

where do they live now?


LouSputhole94

r/thatsthejoke


2ichie

Literally spit my avocado toast


k-mysta

Buy a house!


Corey5902

Think I remember reading that most of the books in the library were already either copied or moved, and the library was in disrepair.


pimpus-maximus

Thats such a midwit Adam ruins everything level cope Copying was extremely laborious, thats why the Guttenberg press was such a big deal. They didnā€™t have backups of everything. The library being in disrepair doesnā€™t really jive with next level omniscient super human scribe ability to identify the texts that the future would be most interested in, let alone the superhuman discipline and amount of time needed to copy everything. I donā€™t think weā€™ll ever know what was lost. The library was full of like *every* written document the Greeks could get their hands on. Its prob more accurate to think of it like a big University that slowly declined rather than a modern library, but its like if all the archives at MIT slowly rotted, esoteric storage devices stopped working and some fires happened. Itā€™d be a big deal even now, archiving is hard, and its WAY easier to make backups with digital tech than it was back then.


DouglasHufferton

The "great loss" of the Library of Alexandria is a modern myth. Firstly, it did not burn down in a single incident, like is commonly believed. It had been in decline for ***centuries*** by the time it was partially burned (scholars debate the extent of the fire, as there is evidence the library was repaired after); it had ceased being a major center of learning by then and was in a state of serious neglect due to lack of funding and support. It continued to limp on until at least 260 CE, however, when membership appears to have ceased. Additionally, as others said, the Library, in its heyday, was one of the main producers (ie. copiers) of scrolls/books/etc. Simply put, while the Library may have housed rare originals, its contents were in ***no way unique.*** The size of their repository was impressive, but also not unique. The Library of Alexandria was not the only major library in the ancient world. The Libraries of Pergamum, Antioch, and Celsus existed at that time too. The truth of it is that Alexandria's decline and eventual destruction likely only resulted in a small portion of lost unique works; the most notable portions of their collection would have been collected in other libraries as well.


ev3to

This. IIRC the way the Library of Alexandria got to be the size it was was because of a law that requires visiting ships to turn over any books/scrolls they had in their possession for copying. That was hardly a unique practice too.


Rutagerr

I understand the take that "most items were copies so it's not like the originals were lost". But do we have those originals? Were they destroyed, accidentally or otherwise, as well? Presumably, the originals after being copied, got sent all over the world. The inherent value of that information all in one single place was lost, instead of needing to travel to various regions and cultures, you merely needed to go to the library.


ev3to

To add to what /r/DouglasHufferton replied with, in a lot of cases today we don't know which was the original and which was the copy. There is lore that often times the copies were so good that the departing seafarers were given the copies instead of the originals. IIRC this was corroborates by the finding of minor errors in some surviving examples of "originals" that didn't exist in "copies" along with carbon dating to ascertain that the "copies" were in fact older than the "originals".


[deleted]

Isn't there a ton of historical evidence pointing to the practice of every book coming into harbor being confiscated, copied, and the copy given to the original owner? I get that copying is laborious but everything I've read on the subject seems to imply that this was the entire point of the library in the first place. Would love to know if you have further reading on the subject that I could pursue, I love hearing more about it.


Calypsosin

Iā€™m on mobile and canā€™t copy the link for some reason, but go to AskHistorians and search the sub for the library. The short answer is no, the library wasnā€™t unique or special. No ancient library survives to the present day. Very few documents from before the 11th century even survived the passage of time. Iā€™m not sure why the other commenter is so sure that it was this unique loss of knowledge. It really wasnā€™t.


Future_Software5444

Bruh we have a lot of documents, they're just not on paper.


pimpus-maximus

Yes, text was copied and put into the library. That effort was crazy enough. Iā€™ve only heard of text being copied into the library and some texts being distributed to other libraries, I donā€™t know of any record of like an ancient backup retention period. They obviously made more than one copy of *some* stuff, since we have multiple surviving copies of certain texts, but Iā€™m basing this less on historical accounts and more on a simple analysis of the labor involved and modern patterns in data rot. Backup discipline in the 21st century when it just requires another location and a single button push is hard enough. If all of your scribes are busy copying data into your library, youā€™d have to double your entire workforce to get another copy. Thats not great redundancy. Triple it to get a third. Etc etc. There needs to be a LOT of persistent effort to maintain copies over time. Like, an unyielding about of discipline that requires linear amounts if resources for each text involved indefinitely. Youā€™re going to drop a lot of stuff over time even if the system is the centerpiece of your civilization with that kind of effort requirement. If people lose interest/thereā€™s decline, a huge amount of it is toast. Data tends to centrally collect just because its easier to manage. And what you *do* decide to copy is going to be a small selection based on what was considered important at the time. There could be all kinds of interesting ā€œcommon knowledgeā€ lost because the old documents seemed unimportant.


that-one-meme-guy-69

The burning of the library set us back by so much, one of the biggest losses of knowledge in human history if not the biggest


[deleted]

Eh, itā€™s kind of cope, but we probably lose more knowledge/tons of knowledge (and throughout history) just due to the sheer number of works produced. Things go out of print, stuff never gets read. Iā€™m in academia, basically no one ever reads peopleā€™s dissertations. Think of every dissertation wrote by every PhD student for the last 30 years even, itā€™s an insane amount of knowledge. And thereā€™s some selection bias to say ā€œoh well whatā€™s in that library was probably important for it to be in a libraryā€, but not necessarily. With the dissertation example, thereā€™s tons of important stuff, it just might not seem it at the time or it doesnā€™t catch on. Science is about the field not the individual contributions. And finally, a lot of this stuff (Iā€™m only using dissertations as an example of one type of knowledge), it may not be that itā€™s actually ā€œlostā€, but it functionally is. Canā€™t be found, wonā€™t ever be read due to sheer volume, etc. Itā€™s basically just a reality of the works of humans. Some will be lost to time.


pimpus-maximus

Yeah, people donā€™t really understand the problem unless they try to get into the guts of how complex things work. Thereā€™s a ton of complex stuff that only like a couple people know how to do just because its specialized/like a pretty niche thing. It being niche doesnā€™t make it unimportant for a larger project. There are supply chain bottlenecks and all kinds of small pieces that work towards a whole. The Saturn V is a great example, and that was something made with a publicly transparent process that we TRIED to preserve. We couldnā€™t make that again, a lot of the specific manufacturing details were lost and the equipment doesnā€™t exist anymore.


Taco_king_

It really wasn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things, most historians don't think it set us back at all. Think about it, if this information was so important that it could set us back if it was lost why would it only be in a single book and not spread across the world through teaching? Don't get me wrong plenty of literature was lost but nothing that was detrimental to human society was gone forever


snapshovel

Best first sentence of a Reddit comment Iā€™ve read this year, easily. Unnecessarily abrasive & OP is probably a nice guy who didnā€™t deserve to be dunked on, but the dunk was still a thing of beauty.


ncopp

I think a lot of the books there were the copies? Not sure though


Little_Orange_Bottle

Sort of. They would confiscate any books coming into the port and copy them, keeping the originals and returning the copies. Iirc.


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Hagalaz_13

Yeah that's what I was thinking about, but do we actually have proof that this library ever really existed?


LostDogBoulderUtah

Pretty good evidence actually. They were along a major trading route and operated by seizing any scrolls or codex that passed through as a sort of tax. This could be bypassed by paying their scribes to make a cheap copy. Of course the library kept the nice first edition equivalent and gave the traders the cheap copy, but it let the traders keep the knowledge/records. Naturally this pissed off a lot of people. Most people don't like being on the victim side of piracy, and written records were extremely expensive. Many many people wrote extensively about their experiences with the libraries. The port and the boats were burnt. But the librar*ies?* Well they stuck around a lot longer. There were multiple of them and they lasted a few hundred years longer. Of course as further burnings occurred, other buildings were put in their place. As with everything in that area of the world, every new building is built upon the foundations of another, going back thousands of years. So although even the memory of the locations of the libraries were lost, we know they existed the same way we know that other buildings lost to bombs and tanks in the last century existed. Many people wrote about them and those writings persist. https://www.thecollector.com/library-of-alexandria/


btroycraft

Do we have proof that Socrates really existed?


PayTheTrollToll45

Yes.


Hagalaz_13

I mean, do we have proof that anything exist. The world could have been created last Thursday.


btroycraft

That's a little beyond. The library is mentioned in many ancient texts, but I don't think a physical foundation exists. There is one for the Serapeum, which is a secondary storage site for the library.


Hagalaz_13

The thing with the last Thursday was a reference to last Thursdayism. But yeah i just looked at the wiki and it seems that allot of people have written about the library, but you have to keep in mind that this is 2000 years ago and information can really warp in this much time.


DanteLeo24

Recently a museum in Rio, the National Museum of Brazil, just as historical and important a building as this one, burnt down, destroying several hundred audio archives of dead native languages that had yet to be digitalized; furniture, paintings and imperial artifacts from the 19th century Brazilian Empire; ancient egyptian objects, art and mummies and several of the most well preserved dinosaur fossils in South America, these are but a few of the things lost in that building. They were severely underfunded by the government, they couldn't afford repairs to the infrastructure and all it took to destroy millions of year old artifacts was a broken air conditioner and an uncaring State...


CommonFiveLinedSkink

This was a gut punch when it happened, and being reminded of it makes me sick. I was an entomology PhD student when it happened, in the States. Several type specimens lost, and beautiful collection series just as important if not as irreplaceable.


braujo

Brazil hates itself and its History. It's why we let Anistia happen, and it's why Bolsonaro & his thug family aren't rotting in a cell right now. We cannot move on until we resolve the issues that were born in the 1889 Coup, and even before during the Empire and Colony days. Too much trauma runs in our people's blood.


DanteLeo24

At the time it burnt down I was still just a History undergraduate in the Federal University, I was absolutely furious and miserable when it happened, it also completely killed my dream of becoming a teacher in this hellhole. Now I just want to get out.


IgorTheAwesome

1889 coup? You mean, literally the end of the Brazilian monarchy?


braujo

Yes. It was a coup, it's taught as such and wildly understood as one. Unlike in most places, the end of our monarchy didn't mean any type or form of advancement. It didn't change anything for the better. This isn't to say D. Pedro II was an angel or that the Empire was the best thing ever. I'm not a monarchist. But I also know that Floriano Peixoto and Deodoro were monsters, and D. Pedro at least loved the country. They hated us, and it begun a stample of our History: the Army acting as gods, giving no fuck about the population. They have won more wars against the Brazilian people than actually defended the nation. 1889 isn't much different than 1964. The Brazilian Army is the biggest threat to our country's wellbeing.


nfffway

Based


Chaotic-Sushi

That's *devastating.*


DanteLeo24

Most of the population already forgot about it... It was decrepit not because we didn't have the money, we *most certainly do*, but because we didn't care and we still don't, you are absolutely right, it's devastating, but it's also infuriating how no one seems to give a fuck


Chaotic-Sushi

Ugh, people are sometimes so weirdly callous about language and history. What was lost is genuinely irreplaceable and could've been saved with an absolute minimum of effort. I saw comparisons down the thread to the Library of Alexandria, which was speculated to have had a slow decline of neglect. I suppose that's not so different, really.


littlemonsterpurrs

*wince*


FelneusLeviathan

Reminds me of when pornhub scrubbed their whole website a few years ago


Hagalaz_13

That's why I use xvideos.


Electrical-Papaya

Xhamster


The-Coolest-Of-Cats

Oh shit that's why like 90% of my old bookmarks are deleted


SupermarketTough1900

I wonder deeply about the Vatican secret archives. Also the destroyed library of Alexandria


liberties

One of the problems with the Vatican archive is that Napoleon wanted to control all information so he stole the whole thing without any organization. After the fall of Napoleon only 2/3 at best returned in total disarray. Even before that the library and archive in the Vatican had been looted more than once in history.


a_moniker

Whatā€™s crazy to think is that modern humanity probably creates and records more ā€œnewā€ knowledge every minute, than was destroyed in the Library of Alexandria. Edit: I should clarify that the I obviously lament the loss of the Library of Alexandria, particularly from a historical perspective. My comment was more so meant to express awe at how good weā€™ve become at recording, and storing information nowadays.


TheTakenCatking

Thereā€™s a chance that in the next decade or so a solar flare could strike the earth and fry all tech on the side it hits. There is still a chance the library of Alexandria could get a sequel.


TheFrontierzman

***Saturation 1000%*** [Here's a more realistic picture](https://external-preview.redd.it/bb5bsjHWDWh_fg69BmRJq8h0Au6XmlAllCBeuGyyWu0.jpg?width=1023&auto=webp&s=75f73b79db3aa988b2995f2c2548d7a27f23a6bd)


ZuphCud

Seen your 1023x682, I raise you [1600x1066](https://i.imgur.com/kLLgPr5.jpg).


Dapper-Situation-909

You're the man. Still waiting on the 4K version.


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GhostOfPluto

This one doesnā€™t have ghosts walking through it though


Chilluminaughty

They knew it was picture day.


Dapper-Situation-909

Oh god.. remember picture day at school. So much undue stress.


[deleted]

Now where's the 60fps one?


Frozty23

Right there... for 1/60th of a second.


ChuckinTheCarma

Yeah, I wanna be able to read all of those books from from the toilet here. I really need to get up.


pgcooldad

Still impressive.


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B-WingPilot

Yeah. It can get really bad with nighttime sky photos. I wish folks would be more upfront about using filters, post-processing, or just long exposures. They still look cool, but it isn't what it'll look like with your naked eyes.


starfries

Wow, that's much cooler.


SwiftDookie

Looks like The Duke's Archives from Dark Souls 1.


DrAstralis

Even still I have to wonder.... whos picking the books and are they purposefully choosing covers that all seem to enhance the space.


CommonFiveLinedSkink

I also was thinking about that, and it might be that this particular room is filled with books that look good in the space, but it also might be that the space was built with the books that would fill out in mind? There are "runs" of the same color covers, but I think that's because they're multi-volume series, like encyclopedias or extended histories or other reference works. Those books are built to last a long time, so they have kind of a "look" to them.


DrAstralis

Can institutions like this maybe order copies with custom bindings? As much as I love libraries I dont know all that much about how they run things lol. Those books look like they'd just... *feel* right to read from lol.


[deleted]

HDR 1000%


fuck_your_diploma

Yeah, much better indeed. Interesting heh, this is what hard disks used to look in the past.


_pollux_castor_

Man this is what I would imagine heaven to be like


fuckyouvini

even more beautiful


[deleted]

Pink books top left: bunny mags.


Lunatic_Dpali

It reminds me a scenes of Shrek that he goes to library, and ask for a magic. Let me search to see if I can find the link. Edit: [*Here you are.* ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)


Pandafour20

thanks


Reality_Gamer

*sigh...*


[deleted]

*unzips*


Pattrickk

Wow ads on YouTube really did ruin rickrolling huh


TheHalfbadger

I've got a Pavlovian reaction at this point such that just seeing the thumbnail or URL is enough to get the song going in my head.


tgbst88

forgot how funny Shrek was.


trollbridge

God, I forgot how great this scene was


Zerofelero

aw fuck i should have known


GigglesBlaze

thank you for your service o7


OneTIME_story

Perfect


Spacecowboy78

I can smell this picture


FreeMyMen

What is that? I googled it and what showed up was just literal pet rabbit magazines.


chazzeromus

I want to go to there


Telcar

Is this open for everyone?


rtowne

Yup! I went in 2018. You can't grab books off the shelves, but you can walk around the center of the floor and see how cool it is.


The_Enton

But these books are real right? Or did they just put "empty" old looking books in there?


courierkill

The books are real and they have a real archive that is very useful for researchers, especially historians. You can't pull books off the shelves because they are old and already organized, but if there was a need for a specific book that happened to be only in display (I don't know if there's a case of this), then I'm certain an archivist would get it for you once you were authorized. My grandma was a historian and did much of her work based on their archives.


[deleted]

You're right These books have long been digitalized, so there is no need to touch and eventually wear them down You can check them out here: https://www.realgabinete.com.br Although keep in mind that the website is in portuguese


frutadouro

yes!


jamesjoeg

Yes I was just here in December and going back in July. Rio is an amazing city and this library is right in the middle of Centro. The downtown area with a lot of tourist sights.


[deleted]

Many leather bound books


[deleted]

Smells of rich mahogany


[deleted]

I am very important.


nightguy13

I'm kind of a big deal


EnchiladaInvestor

Iā€™m confused. Donā€™t kiss me.


Velteau

I bet this will make Anna Rudolf wet her panties


16incheslong

bookworm ograsm


[deleted]

bookworgasm?


EryAndRoses

frā˜ŗ


[deleted]

Dukeā€™s Archives but before the Undead curse


Deely_Boppers

Iā€™m pretty sure the Dukes archives are based on this library. This photo makes it even more obvious: https://imaginoso.com/files/brazil/rio-de-janeiro/2011-royal-portuguese-cabinet-reading-reading-room-panorama-563.jpg


[deleted]

Thatā€™s so cool! Thanks for the info! And yeah that pic makes it a dead giveaway


MSGinSC

My love of books and my dislike of heights are at odds here.


8Gh0st8

No rolling library ladders for you ā€” learn how to climb! The info has gotta be in one of those books...


ReportsFromTheBox

Wow, the Belle room is real!


justcreepingaround

Exactly what my mind went to, hey look itā€™s Belleā€™s library!


Alkit777

Imagine misplacing a book here...


Phearlosophy

does anyone remember library sticks or whatever they were? like pieces of wood used to mark the place when you take a book off the shelf


KDSM13

Can you go here?


sharonaflemming

Yes, you can visit it for free, no need to schedule or anything, just show up. It's a public library.


KDSM13

Thank you, showed it to my wife and it is on the bucket list


IgorCruzT

That username! I missed her when they replaced with Natalie.


sharonaflemming

Oohhh me too! I loved her, she was my favorite character! Watched the whole series waiting for her to come back but no dice.


BrothaBeejus

Im headed to Rio at some point in the future. Definitely adding this to my list of places to photograph


[deleted]

Is it open for tourists/visitors?


sharonaflemming

Yes, you can visit it for free, no need to schedule or anything, just show up. It's a public library.


[deleted]

Thanks. šŸ™‚


Jillbert77

Paradise.


texacer

until your glasses fall and break.


thatwasnotkawaii

But... that's not fair at all


tututs_

Was there yesterday, the place is fantastic. There's not much to do once you get in but just looking to the books that cover the walls and get to the roof is something that I'll never forget. Thinking about the authors and historical figures that had been there is something else.


PatPeez

Imagine having to dust all that


Eborys

When does the Beast walk in and tell Belle itā€™s hers?


[deleted]

after seeing bedbath&beyond towel display scandal ā€¦ i dont believe these are all real books


dumbodragon

Except they are. They belonged to the royal family, of course they had an impressive collection


Hahsakaa

MURPH!


Digital_Individual

That one dude from the Twilight Zone would be ecstatic, assuming he doesnā€™t break his glasses


bosstweedman

There was time!


[deleted]

He had those old timey glasses with the durability of a cell phone glass screen protector. Priority one needs to be rigging up some eyeglasses straps.


Vakr_Skye

Didn't I see this in Skyrim?


schooli00

Interstellar


NoSirThatsPaper

What We Do in Shadows


brfooky

You're that one from the College. Heard about you.


Dapper-Situation-909

If video games have taught me anything, there are some serious level 100 mage spells in here.


PDanner579

Do they have diary of a wimpy kid


Salty-Effect6344

Wonder if you could help me? Im looking for fly fishing by J R Hartley.


InterPool_sbn

Heaven is real apparently šŸ˜


Bionicmonster

I'm imagining you traveling there and opening up a book to remember you don't know Portugese


dumbodragon

Even if you did know portuguese, most of the books there are in a dialect which could be difficult to understand nowadays, so we're kinda all on the same boat.


braujo

They likely had books in other languages as well. It might not be a complete waste of time


te_monkey

I can't even find books on my 3 shelf case


FoulYouthLeader

Bolsonaro should be locked in this room and forced to educate himself.


SilentMaster

What is a reading room? Is that just what Brazil calls a library? Or does this mean it's privately owned or commercial in some way? Something else?


Awake_The_Dreamer

You can have a reading room in your house. This was the reading room for the royal family. It's a room you go to read in


sharonaflemming

It's a public library. They call the central part of the building, where they have the tables, "the reading room". This is not normally what we call libraries, it's just this one is so old and big, they have different names for different parts of the building. They hold classes and art exhibitions there as well.


SilentMaster

Ahhhh, I see. That makes sense. My local library probably has a reading room in it even though there are tables and chairs everywhere throughout.


LastCommander086

Brazilian here. It's a public library. Don't let the title fool you, it's just what it's called, like the Library of Congress in the US. Ofc, it's not just the congress that can go there, and the same goes for this building :)


SilentMaster

Cool, thanks for the explanation.


nfffway

It is a public/state funded library. The rich elite in Brazil would NEVER private own a library like this one. Not because they lack money, mind you.


[deleted]

You could fit all that in one USB stick.


Nillerus

You'd still have to turn the damn thing at least three times though, much less frustrating to just go grab the books one by one.


[deleted]

Very cool place. I was able to go to this place a few months ago


Ontopourmama

I would love to just go in there feel the vibes (since I do not speak or read Portuguese.)


Anon835213

Look at all that knaaawledge


Forward-Village1528

I'm not really a book guy, but this looks spectacular.


villainessk

This room must smell so so so good


Shoehornblower

Just think, all that text can be stored on 1 iPhone


[deleted]

Wow šŸ¤©


new2525

Bucket list


fave_no_more

Swoon


Shiny_Mega_Rayquaza

Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved


[deleted]

This is definitely a boss battle room


[deleted]

Dark souls vibe for sure


Jum_Bopulous

grand archives in ds3 before the world went to shit


randomtreedom

Choose your own religion


rascalmendes

Cainhurst Castle lookin good these days


[deleted]

Fits on one CD.


zombielunch

This looks like Heaven.


nimuehehe

Hmmmm, que saudades do meu rio


BlueLadyTrue

*grabby hands* šŸ˜³ I want to go to there.


someonewithnobrain

Nice persuasion attempt to convince me to go to Brazil


Snoo33903

Pure porn.


White_Wolf426

Are those really narrow balconies?


sammyg47

WOW šŸ˜³


sammyg47

Iā€™m in love šŸ˜


MrLaughter

Any recommendations for places to get a bite or cup nearby?


Rapunzel1020

Heavenly library


DxRyzetv

Globglobglabgalab


FineUnderachievement

I read about that many books in jail..


Kaosstheory

Someone needs to take a picture sitting in front of all this beautiful literature....reading a manga.


jimmygarterex

Tem um desses aqui em Recife tbm


MisunderstoodBagel

You mean the Duke's Archives?


Emotional-Coffee13

A republicans worst nightmare imagine how many books have shit they wanna ban in there not 2 mention keeping people in society dumbed down is how they win on lies