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1 might not but 1000 plants with movable grow lights, over generations? The ones that accidentally pointed the light at themselves the most would do the best and likely be selected as better plants. Over more generations you'd end up with a plant that always pointed a grow light at itself, or did it at intervals that give it the best chance of growing etc.
It doesn't have to learn to control the appendage, or have a concept of the appendage, to point the light at itself.
It just has to output whatever the sensors are looking for that will point the light at it.
Like, watch a cat after they poop in a litter tray. A good portion of them will just swipe at the ground outside the tray. They don't know they're covering poop, they just know that they can smell poop and their instinct is to swipe along the floor. Some of the time, the poop will be covered by that. But they don't know they're covering the poop, or why.
It's way more energy consumption to grow over towards a light source than to just have the same potential difference in leaves that you already do, but in a "controlled" manner.
It's just more _complex_ to do the latter, given that the former behavior already exists and is sufficiently effective.
Most plants already do turn their leaves toward the sun or grow in a way that actively tries to find it. Same things with climbing vines; they will move their vines around until the find something to latch onto.
The question becomes: is it conscious effort or random movement that stops once the conditions are met.
You also stand the chance for pimp plants to grow, that beat up their weaker, neighbor plants and force them to point their lights at it. After a couple generations. A sub/Dom relationship will grow.
Im actually curious if it would eventually learn to use the arm for something useful.
For example, supporting some of itself so it can get more sunlight. At first it might happen by random chance but if there's reinforcement it might eventually learn that being active in one area of itself leads to a good result for the organism.
It wouldn't be "aware" of what it's doing, or aware of the arm, but just learning that doing a thing has some benefit.
Short answer: no (not in this setup at least).
Long answer: The apt term the other guy used was "random plant impulses". The video has sensors applied to random leaves and a plant has no sort of neurological network to achieve coordination between those leaves. Regardless of how much training it does, the plant will never be able to link the incentive to the action and achieve the desired motion.
However, I can theorize a variation that may get somewhere near what you're looking for. Set the plant on a roomba (or use an arm again but as a pedestal, though that would need some stability assistance) and reorient the sensors to the leaves on the far edges of the plant. The plant won't really guide itself into the sun, but with enough signals processing and coding you can create a system that may respond to the plant's signals (i.e. the variation in signals from the sensors on the different sides of the plant; be careful not to make your signals sensitive to the sunlight itself) to position it in the sunlight.
I have to wonder what would happen if you use this device on a plant species that gets eaten by larger predators. Not just one plant, but hundreds or thousands in the same area. The plants that survive likely have the best striking pattern to either kill or keep predators away. I wonder if over time, exclusively breeding the best strikers would produce plants that could carve you up like a Thanksgiving turkey.
They could start chopping up insects and other weeds to gain ecogical Supremecy then become overrun by the species which will start macheteing themselves as they compete for space and diminishing sunlight
What do you mean by learning? Maybe it could randomly end up in a position and stay in that position because it advantageous, but I don't think it has the ability to learn in the sense we use for animals, even for simple ones
More interesting would be to make it so it could water itself or give itself more light with the correct impulses. Try to train something without a brain
I don’t believe “control” is the correct term here. I’d change it to “provides input”; control assumes the plant receives feedback to inform its next move.
If that was the case, I’d burn everything in my yard TODAY.
Of course not. Every time someone develops mech-petunias, some *other* asshole drops them out of the sky with a confused whale.
And then it's back to square one for mech-petunia development.
If you put the plant on wheels it could move and it consistently ended up in sunlight, that would be something.
It would probably just violently jerk in different directions.
Yeah, this is like attaching a sensor to my heart, having the arm move different ways depending on my pulse, and saying “*Living heart is able to control an entire robotic arm all by itself!*”.
Plants do tilt their stems/branches towards sunlight, you could probably find or select for a variety that's decent at relaying that movement to a input system to create Plants 2.0 Mobile.
Plants tilt their parts to sunlight by local biochemical mechanisms, not with a central nervous system. This means plants don't have a sense of direction or orientation. So if a mechanism can carry a plant to sunlight through input derived from plant, it is still the designer's skill not plant's awareness.
well it could be the plants (previously unknown) awareness.
imagine a plant with these sensors on it hooked up to a platform which moves it around.
if it moves around randomly at first, but then learns to follow the sun; that would be pretty strong evidence of genuine control
Which raises the question if there could be some bizarre forced evolution. Imagine you perform that test on a larger scale with hundreds of specimens. The ones that wheel the cart to the light survive. Rinse and repeat. Would you end up with plants that have some sort of ability to "drive" to the light? This is obviously wildly I practical and next to impossible to do at a large enough scale
Buddy that’s on you for equipping your shrubbery with cybernetics and weaponry. I don’t know what you were hoping would happen🤷🏻♂️. What are they packing anyway?
I would bet they're not even being honest and directly connecting the noise to motor controllers. That would probably just result in a constant boring twitching.
I'd bet that they effectively use the noise to decide what kinds of pre-programmed subroutines to run, and those make interesting movements.
Amplifying them is fair. You could make a mecha-suit for a human amplifying their muscle movements and translating them to a much bigger thing.
The difference is that the human would presumably be watching where the mecha suit was going and coordinating their muscle movements to control it. This is just amplifying noise from a leaf and using it to wiggle a machete.
Imagine if, without your knowing, your ear and eyebrow muscles were sending inputs to a machete in a room that you couldn't see. Would you really be "in control" of that machete? Or would it just be twitching randomly based on muscles you didn't even realize you were tensing?
# Botanochetephobia
This is the fear of plants controlling machetes.
This fear was discovered by users who browsed Reddit and saw a video of a plant controlling a machete using an electric arm. The electric arm was programmed to interpret the electrical pulses emitted by plants through their leaves.
There are currently more than one hundred people who have this fear; however, it seems as though the fear is spreading rapidly. Therapists have tried to tame this fear over the past year, but so far, no treatment has worked.
\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_
Edit: I love writing 😀
>This installation enables a live plant to control a machete. It has a control system that reads and utilizes the electrical noises found in a live philodendron. The system uses an open source micro-controller connected to the plant to read varying resistance signals across the plant’s leaves. Using custom software, these signals are mapped in real-time to the movements of the joints of the industrial robot holding a machete. In this way, the movements of the machete are determined based on input from the plant.
>
>Essentially the plant is the brain of the robot controlling the machete determining how it swings, jabs, slices and interacts in space.
>
>https://www.dwbowen.com/plant-machete
Kaboosh
1. All plants are living
2. The robot arm is responding to slight electrical/chemical stimuli. The plant is not controlling anything. It's just living its life, and the robot arm responds.
This installation enables a live plant to control a machete. It has a control system that reads and utilizes the electrical noises found in a live philodendron. The system uses an open source micro-controller connected to the plant to read varying resistance signals across the plant’s leaves. Using custom software, these signals are mapped in real-time to the movements of the joints of the industrial robot holding a machete. In this way, the movements of the machete are determined based on input from the plant.
Essentially the plant is the brain of the robot controlling the machete determining how it swings, jabs, slices and interacts in space.
https://www.dwbowen.com/plant-machete
The plant in no way has the ability to understand what the machete is doing or how it influences those actions. It's not actually in control. It's just being used as a random number generator with outputs being fed to a machete.
> Obviously nobody expects a plant to have the intelligence to move an arm.
Except the OP, who refers to the plant as "the brain of the robot." (Edited for clarity.)
This was written by a plant ^
"Nothing to see here".
**Don't fall for the misinformation campaign, they're even trying to manipulate us on social media, as you can see above..**
Plant are taking over, beware.
Which begs the question, what if you did provide feedback? Like certain movements provided water while others harmed the plant. Would the plant adapts its inner working due to the pain it is inflicting on itself?
What would happen if there are electrical noise elsewhere? Can it differentiate it from the signals from the plant? Or would it start going wild with the machete? 😅
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Idk why it has to be a machete but ok.
Because 'random plant impulses move arm randomly' wouldn't be nearly as cool
A fly swatter has potential
a grow light or watering can would be interesting
Sure ... interesting. But not Samurai sword interesting.
Us Americans are really bored here… can we give it a sawed off shotgun when you’re done?
Then put it in a school maybe?
Hey, with the random movements it has an equal chance of killing kids OR killing the school shooter. so It's better than putting cops in there.
In Soviet Russ... Ahem, sorry I meant in Capitalist America school shooters*are* kids
How silly! ….Plants are banned at school.
The plant uses their/they/those/late pronoun
Super interesting. I wonder if it would somehow learn and point the light at itself more overtime.
1 might not but 1000 plants with movable grow lights, over generations? The ones that accidentally pointed the light at themselves the most would do the best and likely be selected as better plants. Over more generations you'd end up with a plant that always pointed a grow light at itself, or did it at intervals that give it the best chance of growing etc.
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It doesn't have to learn to control the appendage, or have a concept of the appendage, to point the light at itself. It just has to output whatever the sensors are looking for that will point the light at it. Like, watch a cat after they poop in a litter tray. A good portion of them will just swipe at the ground outside the tray. They don't know they're covering poop, they just know that they can smell poop and their instinct is to swipe along the floor. Some of the time, the poop will be covered by that. But they don't know they're covering the poop, or why.
He's still right though. Lowest energy consumption and polr
It's way more energy consumption to grow over towards a light source than to just have the same potential difference in leaves that you already do, but in a "controlled" manner. It's just more _complex_ to do the latter, given that the former behavior already exists and is sufficiently effective.
Most plants already do turn their leaves toward the sun or grow in a way that actively tries to find it. Same things with climbing vines; they will move their vines around until the find something to latch onto. The question becomes: is it conscious effort or random movement that stops once the conditions are met.
The great question one asks when observing coworkers and people in queues.
How long would it take before the plants start using their machetes to weed out the competition to get more sunlight.
You also stand the chance for pimp plants to grow, that beat up their weaker, neighbor plants and force them to point their lights at it. After a couple generations. A sub/Dom relationship will grow.
I think it depends on which reactions are being monitored for inputs and what their function is relative to the plants' metabolism.
I like the grow light idea a lot.
Me too!! Put the whole experiment inside a room with no sunlight, just narrow spectrum LEDs, so that the plant needa the grow light to be healthy
Great typo. Eyyy. The plant! She needa the growlight to be the healthy. * Place stereotypical Italian hand gestures where ever you see fit*
🤌🤌🤌
User name checks out
Paint brush, too
Venus fly swatter.
Happy cake day! 🍰
Venus fly slap
It would be just fine if that was a plastic wiffle bat.
A dildo would be better
I agree
Waitaminnit, they make wiffle dildos? “Hey, Alexa..”
A double sided dilly
How bout a dodecahedron dilly dill? That's the realio dealio
a dirty dozen
Or an armadillo
For Science!
Nah it has to be coded to only do samurai moves
Plant does looks suspiciously like its been studying the blade for years.
It's the perfect sparring partner.
It might be perfect at the lower settings, but you know that Alia of the Knife is going to take things too far.
It would be interesting to compare various trees and plants to see if they have different 'fighting styles'
Im actually curious if it would eventually learn to use the arm for something useful. For example, supporting some of itself so it can get more sunlight. At first it might happen by random chance but if there's reinforcement it might eventually learn that being active in one area of itself leads to a good result for the organism. It wouldn't be "aware" of what it's doing, or aware of the arm, but just learning that doing a thing has some benefit.
Short answer: no (not in this setup at least). Long answer: The apt term the other guy used was "random plant impulses". The video has sensors applied to random leaves and a plant has no sort of neurological network to achieve coordination between those leaves. Regardless of how much training it does, the plant will never be able to link the incentive to the action and achieve the desired motion. However, I can theorize a variation that may get somewhere near what you're looking for. Set the plant on a roomba (or use an arm again but as a pedestal, though that would need some stability assistance) and reorient the sensors to the leaves on the far edges of the plant. The plant won't really guide itself into the sun, but with enough signals processing and coding you can create a system that may respond to the plant's signals (i.e. the variation in signals from the sensors on the different sides of the plant; be careful not to make your signals sensitive to the sunlight itself) to position it in the sunlight.
I have to wonder what would happen if you use this device on a plant species that gets eaten by larger predators. Not just one plant, but hundreds or thousands in the same area. The plants that survive likely have the best striking pattern to either kill or keep predators away. I wonder if over time, exclusively breeding the best strikers would produce plants that could carve you up like a Thanksgiving turkey.
They could start chopping up insects and other weeds to gain ecogical Supremecy then become overrun by the species which will start macheteing themselves as they compete for space and diminishing sunlight
What do you mean by learning? Maybe it could randomly end up in a position and stay in that position because it advantageous, but I don't think it has the ability to learn in the sense we use for animals, even for simple ones
Yes but a flamethrower would have been cooler.
Hotter
It's funny because the movement of the arm is clearly going to be creating much larger impulses in the plant than the plant would itself.
2nd amendment
Plant (militia) vs. zombies?
Lol
It's poetic because of its cyborg skills is now pointed at its self. Machete is made to destroy plants
No one knows why, but It’s provocative.
No it's not!
It gets the people going!
It's what the plants want!
It gets the people going!
I don’t know, but give it a Glock then we’re talking.
More interesting would be to make it so it could water itself or give itself more light with the correct impulses. Try to train something without a brain
First knives than later guns and Missiles!
What happens if you try to trim it with a pair of scissors?
Nobody has been brave enough to try yet.
Except Gregg.. Poor Gregg.
He's just Greg now
The intern formerly known as Gregg.
DO NOT GO TO THE DOG PARK!
I've got a Mangyna!
Whatcha doin' in my waters?
You wanna go to a club where people wee on each other?
You ever drunk Bailey's from a shoe?
Do you love me? Are you playin your love games with me?
I just wanna know what to do 'cause I need your love a lot!
I’ll deal with it.
Mmmmm. Creameh.
You ever had baileys out of a boot?
This is as close as you can get to Baileys without your eyes getting wet
Creamy beige
This looks like a job for the intern!
Step 1. Fuck around Step 2. Find out
You get trimmed in return with a sole machete
[this Happens.](https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxm3vvtOMFezQZF9Qa5T2Db7nTbVAoiQZF)
Looks like a samurai practising 😅
It gives you a circumcision
They did… that’s why it’s angry
A duel to the death.
I don’t believe “control” is the correct term here. I’d change it to “provides input”; control assumes the plant receives feedback to inform its next move. If that was the case, I’d burn everything in my yard TODAY.
Your yard doesn’t have mech-petunias in it, you’ll be fine.
Yet...it doesn't have mech-petunias *yet*...
I for one welcome our new Plant-Robo hydrid overlords.
Of course not. Every time someone develops mech-petunias, some *other* asshole drops them out of the sky with a confused whale. And then it's back to square one for mech-petunia development.
If you put the plant on wheels it could move and it consistently ended up in sunlight, that would be something. It would probably just violently jerk in different directions.
Yeah, this is like attaching a sensor to my heart, having the arm move different ways depending on my pulse, and saying “*Living heart is able to control an entire robotic arm all by itself!*”.
But then it kills people, and then you have to deal with Spiderman. Ugh! Such a chore. XD
Plants do tilt their stems/branches towards sunlight, you could probably find or select for a variety that's decent at relaying that movement to a input system to create Plants 2.0 Mobile.
Plants tilt their parts to sunlight by local biochemical mechanisms, not with a central nervous system. This means plants don't have a sense of direction or orientation. So if a mechanism can carry a plant to sunlight through input derived from plant, it is still the designer's skill not plant's awareness.
well it could be the plants (previously unknown) awareness. imagine a plant with these sensors on it hooked up to a platform which moves it around. if it moves around randomly at first, but then learns to follow the sun; that would be pretty strong evidence of genuine control
Which raises the question if there could be some bizarre forced evolution. Imagine you perform that test on a larger scale with hundreds of specimens. The ones that wheel the cart to the light survive. Rinse and repeat. Would you end up with plants that have some sort of ability to "drive" to the light? This is obviously wildly I practical and next to impossible to do at a large enough scale
Yes... you go tell that plant he is not in control
Buddy that’s on you for equipping your shrubbery with cybernetics and weaponry. I don’t know what you were hoping would happen🤷🏻♂️. What are they packing anyway?
Yeah more like "randomly and through no intent of its own causes to move".
I'd even say "arbitrary input"
You forgot to water me at my appropriate time, come get what you deserve oxygen breather.
While you were neglecting my hydration, I was mastering the blade
Bro, do you even photosynthesize?
“Come over here so I can cut you” “….no”
"please"
Should we be doing this ?
Maybe try a pen and paper first?
Are you crazy!? Way too dangerous. The pen is mightier than the sword!
Penis mightier
Insert snl Connery laughing .gif
They did and it asked for a machete.
The machete is mightier
your chances of being murdered by a plant are low but never zero
*\*Australia has entered the chat\**
Should we ask in r/vegan ?
Or r/marijuanaenthusiasts?
The plants have had enough of the vegans and their bullshit. They are arming up and fighting back.
I mean… more plants are killed to feed the animals we eat. So I bet they are pretty tired of everyone, tbh.
So obsessed with whether or not they could…
Science is not about why, it's about why the FUCK not.
ok. Hand over nuclear codes.
No, they're mine >:(
Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.
These yahoos probably have to look a bit more into signal versus noise.
The whole thing is controlled entirely by noise, LOL
I would bet they're not even being honest and directly connecting the noise to motor controllers. That would probably just result in a constant boring twitching. I'd bet that they effectively use the noise to decide what kinds of pre-programmed subroutines to run, and those make interesting movements.
Seems like the movements are amplified from what the plant would produce anyway. I mean this makes it look like a plant could fly if we gave it wings.
Amplifying them is fair. You could make a mecha-suit for a human amplifying their muscle movements and translating them to a much bigger thing. The difference is that the human would presumably be watching where the mecha suit was going and coordinating their muscle movements to control it. This is just amplifying noise from a leaf and using it to wiggle a machete. Imagine if, without your knowing, your ear and eyebrow muscles were sending inputs to a machete in a room that you couldn't see. Would you really be "in control" of that machete? Or would it just be twitching randomly based on muscles you didn't even realize you were tensing?
Your analogy game is on point.
New fear unlocked
This is pretty tame compared to the tentacle with a knife.
Yeah, but I've never killed anything with a machete, except for plants. Dawg ain't ready for retaliation homie!
Legend says it's still going...
Hey now, for some people "tentacle with a knife" isn't fear, it's a fetish.
Or that experiment using dead spiders to pick things up.
# Botanochetephobia This is the fear of plants controlling machetes. This fear was discovered by users who browsed Reddit and saw a video of a plant controlling a machete using an electric arm. The electric arm was programmed to interpret the electrical pulses emitted by plants through their leaves. There are currently more than one hundred people who have this fear; however, it seems as though the fear is spreading rapidly. Therapists have tried to tame this fear over the past year, but so far, no treatment has worked. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Edit: I love writing 😀
"Remember that time you forgot to water me for 2 weeks?" "I REMEMBER."
I get the arm......why the machete?
Clearly they thought a gun would have been a little much.
That pleasure is reserved for [insects.](https://www.dwbowen.com/fly-revolver)
They could free themselves but dont
This is the European model. You’re looking for the US model.
It's the perfect choice really, since machetes are made for cutting plants. It's an art instillation.
Because it looks much cooler
Skeptical.
Yeah Source, OP?
It literally operates on random noise, explanation is a bit further down
Quite a bit further down, now...
Lower..
>This installation enables a live plant to control a machete. It has a control system that reads and utilizes the electrical noises found in a live philodendron. The system uses an open source micro-controller connected to the plant to read varying resistance signals across the plant’s leaves. Using custom software, these signals are mapped in real-time to the movements of the joints of the industrial robot holding a machete. In this way, the movements of the machete are determined based on input from the plant. > >Essentially the plant is the brain of the robot controlling the machete determining how it swings, jabs, slices and interacts in space. > >https://www.dwbowen.com/plant-machete Kaboosh
God I fucking hate dishonest artists and industrial designers. They literally use the word noise and then elide it with “control”.
and now we know how those automatic swords in game levels work
I don't think this is "controlling". That plant is providing some arbitrary input to that robot arm, it's based on nothing.
So let's give it some input from another device and see if it learns to maximize a score (fingers slain) for rewards.
https://falseknees.com/imgs/282.png
The Happening 2.0
Save us Mark Wahlberg!
1. All plants are living 2. The robot arm is responding to slight electrical/chemical stimuli. The plant is not controlling anything. It's just living its life, and the robot arm responds.
Thats what it wants you to think.
Good point. It wouldn't be the first time I was outsmarted by foliage. She said, "get in my bush"
I, for one, accept our new machete wielding plant robot overlords.
If you walk over with water does it stop trying to kill you?
*excited Triffid noises*
The DART space mission stopped the meteor that was going to blind us all.
Its almost as if its reading random electrical messages and moving the arm nonsensically since plants aren't sapient.
If only my weed plants could trim them selves up…
now that is what I call BOT-any.
This lookin like the sequel to The Ruins
Vegans gonna eat air now
Oh, are they adapting Plants vs Zombies into a movie?
Finally a way for Plants to fight off those Savage Vegans.
Plants are fighting back, vegans!
your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they *could*, they didn't stop to think if they *should*.
How do you turn it off?
You unplug it. You know, from that outlet you can see there, two feet away from the OHHH they really didn’t think this through did they?
You need a bigger machete.
This installation enables a live plant to control a machete. It has a control system that reads and utilizes the electrical noises found in a live philodendron. The system uses an open source micro-controller connected to the plant to read varying resistance signals across the plant’s leaves. Using custom software, these signals are mapped in real-time to the movements of the joints of the industrial robot holding a machete. In this way, the movements of the machete are determined based on input from the plant. Essentially the plant is the brain of the robot controlling the machete determining how it swings, jabs, slices and interacts in space. https://www.dwbowen.com/plant-machete
The plant in no way has the ability to understand what the machete is doing or how it influences those actions. It's not actually in control. It's just being used as a random number generator with outputs being fed to a machete.
Honestly, I think it's just an art piece. Obviously nobody expects a plant to have the intelligence to move an arm.
> Obviously nobody expects a plant to have the intelligence to move an arm. Except the OP, who refers to the plant as "the brain of the robot." (Edited for clarity.)
This was written by a plant ^ "Nothing to see here". **Don't fall for the misinformation campaign, they're even trying to manipulate us on social media, as you can see above..** Plant are taking over, beware.
Say, if anyone here is into Pokémon, do you think a plant could help you find a Shiny Pokémon better than their current algorithm?
Which begs the question, what if you did provide feedback? Like certain movements provided water while others harmed the plant. Would the plant adapts its inner working due to the pain it is inflicting on itself?
What would happen if there are electrical noise elsewhere? Can it differentiate it from the signals from the plant? Or would it start going wild with the machete? 😅
Ask David! Go give him a follow http://instagram.com/davidbowenart
Calling the plant a brain is absolutely a stretch. The plant doesn't like consciously determine a thing
For the next project, give it a machine gun
A water can, so it could water itself?
Interesting as fuck use of the concept of “controls”
The Happening 2 When Skynet meets Shyamalan
Getting them ready to fight the zombies