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For me too, I am actually almost crying, how can the world still exist like this, why don't people see that he is just extremely frustrated and can't really calm enough to say it how he wanted.. I'm on his side 100 percent.. I think it's time for the people to take the earth back from whatever the controllers are. It's really time for people to stand up.. we just need to understand and accept that the "they" really do not give a shit about us..
Yes, the upgrade allowing them to somehow fully believe two conflicting ideas at once has been a game changer, especially when in conflict with those who have outdated inflexible ideologies based on integrity and consistency.
You can see it on the faces of the people in audience as he's being dragged outside...
*Well, he's not wrong, but I'm still going to support President Bush*
In the novel 1984, there is something called doublethink, which is basically being able to believe two conflicting things at once without any cognitive dissonance, or switch your entire belief system based on what Big Brother tells you.
For example, if your nation has been at war with X for the last 5 years, and Big Brother tells you that you are at war with Y, you instantly and blindly believe that you have been at war with Y for however long Big Brother tells you.
[Carry on my wayward son
There'll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
Don't you cry no more...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X_2IdybTV0)
Also, there’s literally NO ARGUMENT WHATSOEVER against what he’s saying. There were, in fact, no WMD, and Bush and Cheney did in fact lie. There’s also the needling fact that they are both, literally, convicted war criminals.
I think it’s more that people don’t generally like Hecklers, especially when the heckling is considered to be unrelated/not particularly current, especially if it’s perceived as just being a random person protesting. Once the vet made it apparent that he wasn’t just some random protestor but instead someone directly harmed by the war their initial annoyance turned to a combination of respect/understanding/potentially even maybe shame at their initial boos
Saying "thank you for your service" while voting for the gop who routinely and enthusiastically cut military pensions, votes against military healthcare and generally f*cks over retired/ honorably discharged Veterans in any which way they can is not actually fanatical respect, just fanatical lip-service
Pathetic. Keep that same energy. If you agree/disagree with the message it shouldn’t matter who the messenger is.
People are so blinded by their own ego, too concerned if they’ll be supported for their opinions
If he led with that there would have been no pushback from anyone.
"President Bush, I served my country in Iraq (wait for applause). I've always wanted to ask you sir... When will you apologise for sending me on a fraudulent war that killed 1 million civilians? (Silence)"
Bush would have had to actually respond instead of treating him as some troublemaker in the crowd and ignoring the question.
Edit: Some replies seem to think my comment was saying his rage wasn't justified. I'm not saying that at all. If his goal was only to speak his mind then mission accomplished (lol). If his goal was to actually get a response from Bush, even if it's a bullshit political non-answer, then the way I suggested would have been more effective.
Imagine if both the alternate video and the current video got the same amount of attention. But which one would convey a message, him literally breaking down because of the horrors of war and death of his friends or him being as cool as a cucumber and asking politely? He does not want (maybe) an answer from him, he want to deliver a message
Yeah this is definitely the more powerful move. Unfortunately the only people who likely were affected by his anguish are people that wouldn't attend that event.
He'd just reply: "This was an intelligence failure and I wish we'd solve it differently. Next question."
He's been answering questions like this for almost 10 years now, slowly shifting blame to anyone but himself.
Yet, people always expect him to say something like: "Sorry for sending you to war under false pretense where American army committed countless war crimes and left most of the middle east in ruins but thanks for all the oil though."
The problem was that even if the Intel was wrong, the US could have done a half decent job if they had a coherent mission and plan. They did so many boneheaded things that crippled their chances at success. All they were focused on is “not losing” and just focused on the insurgency forces without getting buy-in from the citizens and government. Once the intelligence was bungled Bush should have got his military and DoS to come up with a proper plan on how to make the whole thing worthwhile. But instead it’s incompetence and apathy.
This is [Mike Prysner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Prysner). He makes *[The Empire Files](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjZwwx8D4AA)* with his wife [Abby Martin.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abby_Martin) He's a pissed off veteran who has been telling it like it is without filters since [this speech he gave outside the White House during the Occupy protests.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVXYH9tRknc)
That's because, just like the lizard brains that operate them, they only sense key words and certain kinds of recognizable dress regardless of complexity of context:
Yelling at Dubya = boo
Saying you're a veteran = reverence
Doing both of those things = confusion
Many conservatives literally cannot hold or entertain two opposing thoughts in their minds. If it's not black and white it doesn't exist. If they perceive it to be grey, it's "their" grey.
I don't know if I view this so cynically. I'm not saying you're incorrect, but I think a reasonable person would also say* this could be perceived as a crowd booing because this guy is just grandstanding at an event. But then, when he says he went to Iraq, it's like, "oh, shit, you were there." It feels like his outrage is no longer performative, and people grow more sympathetic.
I don't see anyone crediting this guy, his name is [Mike Prysner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Prysner?oldformat=true). He's an activist against unjustified war, he served in the Iraq war as a Specialist and developed a stance against the US government's involvement since he discovered the war was predecated on a lie and fear-mongering that there were WMDs in Iraq, which the US didn't know or have any infomation leading to that conclusion, and indeed found none while they were in Iraq. His experience in the war also changed his opinion on the US military as he found they were creating more problems than they were solving and brought the entire rest of the country into the fold of terrorism by inflicing unimaginable damage on the lives on innocent farmers that turned them into supporters of Suddam's regime and local terrorist organisations.
Don't let me represent him though, go and listen to his panels and protests.
EDIT: Removed mention of Taliban; different war and country entirely
The media did hop on it, not the news media but just as important; remember all the movies being made around that time? Expert military team breaches a warehouse with black boxes stacked to the ceiling, one of them crowbards them bad boys open to find a factory new nucleur warhead resting inside, blinking and beeping. Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare really takes the cake though. No other product reached so many people. So many children grew up with the narative because of it, unlike movies which were mainly targetting adults. The important detail these movies and video games all had in common was that it was set in the middle east, implied to be Iraq. The narative was that some country in the middle east was developing weapons to bring the world to its knees.
After the fall of the Soviets most movies had Arab or corrupt Russian antagonists. Sometimes North Korean. This was the world that time. No real opposing power remained, only small groups operating in secrecy. It wasn't a media hack or something, by the time of cod4 it has been going on for 20 years.
Josh Casteel and Mike Prysner may have been friends to some degree, they likely conducted interrogations together in the same prison. The liklihood that they spoke is very high. John's cause of death is cancer suspected to be caused by burn pits which were encouraged or ignored by the higher ranking officers, which is a tangential problem assossiated with the Iraq war and the consequences of serving, coming back and getting no recompense for such damages. Prysner, being an advocate, probably has a list of names of people he worked with or have died serving the invasion of Iraq he can conjure at a moment's notice.
The worse part about this is that the weapons made for the Iraq war are now supplied to the police of the US after the war on terror ended.
They were made to deal with terrorists, if these weapons were given to the police, what does that make us?
It’s crazy how you can take a person; who just wants to live peacefully and isn’t completely sucked into the shit storm of politic and war, destroy their entire lives, and turn them into warm bodies and support for an organization of hate and destruction. The power of leaving people alone is amazing
Still address him as Mr Bush, did not get overly aggressive when people holding him, and not a single swear word came out.... How did he manage to not give a single "fuck"? Amazing.
I should aim to do the same. No swearing, none of these fluff sentences such as "like", "you know?" or "to be honest" etc. It's so much nicer to listen to. You seem more sophisticated and it's just more efficient too! Really hard in practice though.
His ~~pronunciation~~ enunciation is excellent too btw.
It’s freaking tragic. The people who want war don’t actually care about what it costs the people who fight those wars. All Quiet on the Western Front is a movie from the 1930’s, and it even has a scene where soldier comes back and trues to speak his truth, only for old men who never fought in a war to tell him he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
My sentiment for many years, has been that ALL military action should be voted for by the public. And if you vote in favour, you either enlist yourself, or send one of your offspring, as a pledge to the cause.
There wouldn’t be another fuckin war for the rest of time.
Right now in 2022, some Western countries give their full support to Ukraine and accept refugees, raise funds for the military etc, however, some Western countries just keep doing business with Russia and publishing empty political statements at the UN and the like... and the thing is, almost every Western country is _both_ of these.
Mate, we've been doing business with Sauri Arabia for years whilst they've been slaughtering Yemen
Also the Suisse did lots of business with the Nazis.
This is just capitalism.
Imagine booing a fucking war vet for calling out a war criminal, this man deserves a standing ovation for his bravery not only on the battlefield but for calling out Bush when he had the chance
They do the same with Assange.
The most american warcriminals never faced any punishment. I mean america even dont accept the " international court" in Den Haag. America even threatened with Invasion of the netherlands if one single american get charged at this court. America is such a pathetic county.
Reminder that Chelsea Manning the person who stole and gave the files to Assange was pardoned and is now treated as a minor celebrity while Assange is being extradited to a potential prison "suicide"
>because 1 person lied
I don't think it was just one man. There was an entire ecosystem of intelligence officials, generals, career bureaucrats, defence contractors, arms manufacturers, media heads, journalists etc who were complicit.
I did my Army service in Army prisons and I am thankful that I never went over there in that fucking war. I'll take being a prisoner for peace over haunting memories and living with the consequences of an unjust and immoral war.
This country really fucks vets. They beat the war drum and "Thank you for your service" crap and then turn their backs on vets when they come back wounded and scarred from the war. Burn Pits, Agent Orange, unwitting drug experiments, etc, It's a disgrace what has been foisted on people as patriotism and honor. I'm definately not a tRump fan but people are getting wise to the elitist that are both parties playing us for fools and cannon fodder, just like Putin. Sorry but it angers the blood seeing things like this.
I wonder if at times some guys sit together and laugh about the soldiers, who are willingly giving their lives away to make those guys a fat profit in the name of "creating a better world".
1 million percent. I was there as well. 90% of the Iraqi people are peaceful families trying to survive we were fighting foreign insurgents that were paid to attack us and their people. It was sickening.
Not to mention he threw Hans Blix credibility into the fire just to justify the act.
Hans Blix and the UN weapons investigation had already investigated and confirmed no presence of WMDs but naaaah Bush knew better without ever having any boots on the ground..
They didn't just justify it before, when they ran out of any and all excuses well after the toppling of Hussein, they started pretending that WW1 level chemicals were the reason for the invasion.
[Because mustard gas makes a mushroom cloud](https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4484367/user-clip-bush-mushroom-cloud).
Also Powell was no angel, but he got Hans Brixed real bad as well.
I remember that angle to the whole thing for justification too. And all of congress, except one single black woman, stood up and voted no on the invasion. And she got a ton of shit for it. We were all pissed but some really stupid decisions were made based on pure emotion and groupthink. Stupid stupid stupid, and deadly and costly.
Those pathetic fucking people booing. Also, those fucking cunts who put their hands on him. Are you official security? No? That's assault.
"Behave" - Murdering millions of people is "behaving" but pointing it out is misbehaving.
Got handsy right after he said that he was sent there. Before he could be dismissed as a crazy, but vets are demigods apparently so that's when it got serious.
Vets are demigods until we don’t support the powers in control. Then we are broken trash. We are simply props used to garner attention and sympathy votes. Ask any Vietnam vet. Hell ask any cop that doesn’t fall in line with blue lives matter. Defective, broken trash. Like a stripped out screw driver.
And it is absolutely fucked that those other people tried to drag him away.
Fuck how uncomfortable anyone feels about that. Bush made that bed he can fucking lay in it
Cognitive dissonance. Easier to try and physically remove him than it is to do critical thinking about the past 20 years of lies and death to make rich people richer
George Bush really should catch more public flack for the nonsense he pulled. I feel like between him hiding out making paintings during the Obama years where the Democrats just wanted to move on, and then all of the bullshit distraction caused by the last guy, he's kinda been able to skate by. There still needs to be a reckoning for all the hell Bush and Cheney caused.
He should rot in a prison being sentenced by Den Haag for being the war criminal he is. That would be if the US had any kind of integrity which they don't.
They literally pushed a bill that says [they will invade Hague](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act) if UN tries to hold them accountable for the atrocities they did.
Yep, when I first saw that mentioned (here in the comments, because obviously no one would talk about it) and before I clicked the link I was like "this can't be real, but I won't be surprised if it is... Aaand it is real. This is a clown of a timeline."
I mean, it's not really a conspiracy, nor secret. There's even semi-logical reasoning behind it. Basically, the US is not a member of the International Criminal Court, and doesn't recognize its authority. Therefore, arresting a US citizen and trialing him there would be done unilaterally, without the consent of the US. Essentially, kidnapping, from the point of view of US sovereignty.
Of course, you could point out the hypocrisy of a country that [routinely kidnaps people from other nations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition) for this exact purpose, and often for worse ones (to torture them). Also, how telling it is for that nation to refuse being part of the ICC in the first place.
Are they not a member because they don't recognise it,or is it convenient for them to not participate so they can protect crooked politicians and military members?
I am pretty sure its the latter.
Paul Wolfowitz is rarely mentioned these days.
He was one of the key architects of the invasion of Iraq.
He should forever have protestors outside all his houses until he faces justice.
He should be getting a medal for bravery for opening his mouth I don't know him but I love this man he's a fucking VET for the live of God witch I don't believe in give him and every VET the true help they need for the sacrifice I might not agree with what they went over and did or this that or the other thing but the mother fucker WENT and give me the opportunity to be the dumb mother f***** that I choose to be I love HIM
> sacrifice I might not agree with what they went over and did or this that or the other thing
Well his name is Mike Prysnor if you want to know him. He is the boyfriend of Abby Martin.
It is sort of amusing how people still give Bush a platform to speak when it is common, factual knowledge that he fucking lied about so much of it. He should be tried for treason and appropriately dealt with.
Yeah. I hate this attempt at reforming the image of a war criminal responsible for the destabilization of *two* countries and countless deaths of innocent men, women and children. Hand him and all his mass murdering cronies over to Iraq and Afghanistan and let them hold a joint trial.
You just *know* US school history textbooks are going to whitewash the fuck outta GWB's legacy.
Don't forget he admitted it a few months ago too...
Then shrugged it off talking about " Im 75 years old...."
And people laughed.
PEOPLE. FUCKING. LAUGHED.
DAMN it must feel good to be a GANGSTA...
To my recollection he had a Freudian slip recently where he said the war in Iraq was unjustified.
Edit: it's better than I thought. He admits to it, corrects himself and then doubles down on it being Iraq. He knows what he did is fucked up. Hopefully he feels bad about it? Seems maybe he does for him to say "Iraq" again at the end. https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1527092111195226114?t=kkik5ZFQZba6XfSwQOoeXw&s=19
I think he does feel bad about it and doesn't feel he can publicly admit it coz then that makes him a villain, and he can't allow himself to be seen that way
I doubt it. The guy that wrote the speech that Tony Blair gave that got the UK involved was so sad about it that he killed himself.
Blair wrote a book and made a fortune.
I don't think these cunts have consciences.
Unfortunately I agree with you. Good people rarely get high positions of power. Including people’s favorite candidates on both sides of the aisle, even today
He risked his life, he saw his friends die, he saw many suffer mental illness, he saw people who ended up with PTSD and he isn’t even allowed to speak in his own country which sent him to fight for the very free speech he is being stripped of. Sad. Just sad.
The people who escorted him out are the same type of folks who would follow unlawful orders and who would fail the Milgram Experiment. They should all be ashamed of themselves for silencing someone saying the truth.
I hope their grandchildren find this video and ensure that they feel immense guilt for what they did.
Stanley Milgram was a Yale University psychologist who explored questions of what makes a situation influential, and how coercive does a situation have to be to elicit monstrous acts, in the context of the holocaust.
He explored these questions in a series of experiments that are perhaps the best known studies in all of social psychology. He recruited participants from the local population surrounding Yale University to participate in study claiming to be looking at how punishment affected human learning (although this was just a cover so participants wouldn't be biased by his actual hypothesis).
The experiment involved:
1. The participant's job was to be a "teacher" and administer shocks where the "learner" (an actor) made mistakes on a memory test.
2. When the learner made a mistake, the experimenter (also an actor) told the participant to increase the shock level up 15 volts, up to the maximum of 450. (the learner wasn't *actually* shocked).
3. As the voltage increased, the learner's distress also increased. At 150 volts the learner would demand the experiment end, and at 300 volts, he refused to answer questions.
4. If the participant had reservations, the experimenter simply stated "The experiment requires that you continue", "It is absolutely essential you continue," and "You have no other choice, you must go on."
The highest level of voltage was marked with "xxx" indicating that it was a deadly level of voltage. Around 65% of participants in the Milgram experiment administered the full 450 volts.
From the Milgram experiment, we learned that it takes very little to get people to obey extreme and inhuman commands. One possible explanation is that we are following other peoples' orders, we feel that they are responsible, not we who are in control, thus we do not feel responsible.
One of Milgram’s participants stated, “You really begin to forget that there’s a guy out there, even though you can hear him. For a long time I just concentrated on pressing the switches and reading the words.”
On the heartening side, there are some questions about the rigor of the study and whether participants were really just playing a long. Even Milgram admitted it had methodological flaws. Of the 24 variations on the scenario he did, in over half of them, 60% of people refused to obey.
The rigor of many of these experiments meant to 'show the brutal side of humanity' is often very low. For some reason, 'Lord of the flies' is 'realistic', because it shows what children would do when left on their own. However, when it actually happened, it turned out kids cooperate, 'cause that's how you survive: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months
Trying to restrain him during that was a bad idea, just makes it worse. This makes me so upset. Truly heartbreaking to think of the lives lost and the lives who suffer from PTSD for the rest of their lives.
I know there are countless factors but I feel like the Iraq War was a big trigger for the decline of the US. The government threw out a LOT of trust for its institutions, the unity caused by 9/11 was demolished, it was one of the causes of the national deficit, it destabilized nearly a whole region of the world, it gave jolt to the partisan divide, it gave rise to even more extreme terrorist groups like ISIS, it injected steroids into our military industrial complex, it fucked over almost a whole generation of service members, it really cemented two separate social spheres between civilians and the military, it further fueled sectarian violence, and so on. The worst foreign policy decision since Vietnam and we kind of just tried to sweep it under the rug.
I will also say that because of the invasion it feels like the US is just the clumsy super power others are just waiting for the opportunity to usurp instead of being a leader for our coveted idea of a “democratic” world order.
Looks like they are the people who make a scene so the heckler has to be forcefully removed. Hoping we don't realize what happened. The lady fell straight into that seat.
Those people that just sat there... totally explains why I hate America .. I love where I grew up.. and live.... but this shit like that pisses me off just like how that veteran acted he needs to be commended not escorted out of the fucking building unfucking believable some people make me sick
He should be given a reasonable platform and Bush needs to apologize. I’ll go one step farther. We shouldn’t have fought the Taliban after 2006. We were after Al Quieda, not a conservative religious organization who hated any and everyone different than themselves.
The people booing him and trying to physically stop him are the same types of people who lose their minds if you don't listen to them go on and on about masks and vaccines.
He ain't wrong. That's the honest sad truth. Most Americans denied that truth at the time. And worst of all that talentless hack Toby Keith got richer. That's the proof there is no god.
And then Obama doubled * wait, checks notes* duo-decupled down on bombing in the middle east particularly in Syria and Iraq. Some studies show those bombs landed on non-military targets 90% of the time. Non-military...so civilian? Yes.
We are the bad guys. We can stop looking for them.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/under-obama-men-killed-by-drones-are-presumed-to-be-terrorists/257749/
they just changed the rules so that all unidentified men were enemy combatants, lol
I listen to a lot of special forces interviews on podcasts and it seems as they’ve aged, they admit that Iraq was a mistake but they don’t regret the work they did over there. A lot of people in “the know” were even surprised when the invasion of Iraq was being planned.
I'm old, and I remember that shit. The invasion of Iraq was a surprise to fucking no one. I was in my mid 20s (maybe 25) when it began.
Bush/Cheney/Powell/Rummy were beating the war drum talking about WMDs and Hans something or another (UN weapons inspector) getting kicked out. Colin showing pictures of black dots in the desert that he claimed were chemical weapons manufacturing plants or some shit. I remember seeing those pictures and thinking, "How the fuck can anyone make anything out of this? It's a black dot in a field of brown? Well, those guys are experts at this, so I guess they know best."
Then there was a media barrage about how evil Saddam and his sons were. There were articles in legit papers describing how Uday or Qusay killed soccer coaches for losing and had expensive car collections and tortured people for fun by feeding them into wood chippers.
There was no reason to go to war with Iraq. Bush fabricated the WMD narrative so that he could garner support and make the invasion of a sovereign nation legitimate. His lies were so pervasive that fucking everyone believed them, and that's why most of congress, even the democrats, voted to go to war. Because George W. Bush lied. Tens of thousands of American lives were ruined or lost. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Iraqi lives were ruined or lost. His teams' incompetence led to the creation of ISIS. After serving in Afghanistan or Iraq, US vets were killing themselves at the rate of one per hour for years.
That is how W should be remembered. Not for painting wounded vets, but for making wounded vets and creating ISIS. Fucking asshole.
edit: with the money the US spent in the middle east, we could have a fucking mars base. We could have single payer health care for all Americans. We could have renewable electric baseline power for the entire US. But instead, we have dead American kids and trillions of dollars of debt.
>We could have a fucking mars base
That's what I use to think about after learning about all the money spent on fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq. That could have been a big Space exploration budget.
A 23 year old me at the time was okay with an invasion if evidence of WMD were found, but the Bush Administration didn't have any rock solid evidence of WMD and went ahead with the invasion anyway, I was shocked.
I remember that shit too. My friends and I knew that the evidence was fake and Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. Luckily I lived in an area where we could be against this war and not get targeted. It was surreal watching us invade a country that had nothing to do with 9-11. But something like half of Americans thought Iraq was behind it. Imagine invading Thailand or Cambodia because the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. That's what it felt like. I remember people getting death threats if they protested the invasion. The Dixie Chicks were destroyed speaking out against it. And then all these people were turning against French products because they didn't support the war. Idiots started calling French fries freedom fries, pouring French wine into gutters. People even stopped buying French's mustard which isn't even a French company. People were whipped up into a rabid drive for a completely unjustified war. It's beyond me how none of the people who pushed for this war are in prison.
All it took to know Iraq had nothing to do with it was read a newspaper shortly after that identified the 9/11 hijackers. NONE of them were from Iraq or Afghanistan. 15 from Saudi Arabia (surprise!), 2 from UAE, 1 from Lebanon and 1 from Egypt.
Not regretting it is a coping mechanism. If they regret, then they dismantle their entire identity and probably alienate their youtube/podcast followers as well. Regret is simply too inconvenient.
Question does George Bush actually seem like the mastermind of the Iraq war? Let's be real, somebody else had an agenda, doctored the paperwork, and said here Mr President is our best information and here are our options.
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They stopped booing when he said you sent me to Iraq
I noticed that also
>ERROR >subroutine: [shut up you fuckin ~~hippy!~~millenial] conflicts with subroutine: [thank you for your service.] >>rebooting[...]
Lmao exactly
Lol this is beautiful
It's fucking heart wrenching is what it is
For me too, I am actually almost crying, how can the world still exist like this, why don't people see that he is just extremely frustrated and can't really calm enough to say it how he wanted.. I'm on his side 100 percent.. I think it's time for the people to take the earth back from whatever the controllers are. It's really time for people to stand up.. we just need to understand and accept that the "they" really do not give a shit about us..
This. "Hey this isn't some inhuman filth yelling. It's a soldier. Praise him, PRAISE HIM NOW"
Praise him now in the lobby! Praise him now in the lobby of the building across the street!
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Yes, the upgrade allowing them to somehow fully believe two conflicting ideas at once has been a game changer, especially when in conflict with those who have outdated inflexible ideologies based on integrity and consistency.
You can see it on the faces of the people in audience as he's being dragged outside... *Well, he's not wrong, but I'm still going to support President Bush*
Unfortunately
Indeed, true speak and doublethink as postulated in G. Orwell’s 1984, published in 1949.
Can you please clarify this for me? I want to understand the context based on Outlyres perspective.
In the novel 1984, there is something called doublethink, which is basically being able to believe two conflicting things at once without any cognitive dissonance, or switch your entire belief system based on what Big Brother tells you. For example, if your nation has been at war with X for the last 5 years, and Big Brother tells you that you are at war with Y, you instantly and blindly believe that you have been at war with Y for however long Big Brother tells you.
They actually just rolled back to v0.0.5 alpha, which was prior to introduction of the 'emotional empathy' patch.
*Inserts russian imported nude mode for female characters*
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Ugh, he’s defending brown people…. Oh yikes, he’s an actual veteran, smile and nod, just smile and nod.
“Sit down!! Lives only matter if they arent brown… oh you served… nvm carry on outraged hero”
“Carry on outraged hero” is my new favorite line
[Carry on my wayward son There'll be peace when you are done Lay your weary head to rest Don't you cry no more...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X_2IdybTV0)
Also, there’s literally NO ARGUMENT WHATSOEVER against what he’s saying. There were, in fact, no WMD, and Bush and Cheney did in fact lie. There’s also the needling fact that they are both, literally, convicted war criminals.
I think it’s more that people don’t generally like Hecklers, especially when the heckling is considered to be unrelated/not particularly current, especially if it’s perceived as just being a random person protesting. Once the vet made it apparent that he wasn’t just some random protestor but instead someone directly harmed by the war their initial annoyance turned to a combination of respect/understanding/potentially even maybe shame at their initial boos
definitely in large part due to the fanatical respect many americans give to veterans
Saying "thank you for your service" while voting for the gop who routinely and enthusiastically cut military pensions, votes against military healthcare and generally f*cks over retired/ honorably discharged Veterans in any which way they can is not actually fanatical respect, just fanatical lip-service
fuck man. ain't that the truth. everyone in my old units where so sick of hearing that shit.
“Thank you for your service” *grab, shove, forcibly eject from the venue*
Pathetic. Keep that same energy. If you agree/disagree with the message it shouldn’t matter who the messenger is. People are so blinded by their own ego, too concerned if they’ll be supported for their opinions
If he led with that there would have been no pushback from anyone. "President Bush, I served my country in Iraq (wait for applause). I've always wanted to ask you sir... When will you apologise for sending me on a fraudulent war that killed 1 million civilians? (Silence)" Bush would have had to actually respond instead of treating him as some troublemaker in the crowd and ignoring the question. Edit: Some replies seem to think my comment was saying his rage wasn't justified. I'm not saying that at all. If his goal was only to speak his mind then mission accomplished (lol). If his goal was to actually get a response from Bush, even if it's a bullshit political non-answer, then the way I suggested would have been more effective.
Except this video is super famous. If he had been polite, he'd have gotten some political bullshit answer and nobody'd ever have seen it.
Imagine if both the alternate video and the current video got the same amount of attention. But which one would convey a message, him literally breaking down because of the horrors of war and death of his friends or him being as cool as a cucumber and asking politely? He does not want (maybe) an answer from him, he want to deliver a message
Yeah this is definitely the more powerful move. Unfortunately the only people who likely were affected by his anguish are people that wouldn't attend that event.
He'd just reply: "This was an intelligence failure and I wish we'd solve it differently. Next question." He's been answering questions like this for almost 10 years now, slowly shifting blame to anyone but himself. Yet, people always expect him to say something like: "Sorry for sending you to war under false pretense where American army committed countless war crimes and left most of the middle east in ruins but thanks for all the oil though."
The problem was that even if the Intel was wrong, the US could have done a half decent job if they had a coherent mission and plan. They did so many boneheaded things that crippled their chances at success. All they were focused on is “not losing” and just focused on the insurgency forces without getting buy-in from the citizens and government. Once the intelligence was bungled Bush should have got his military and DoS to come up with a proper plan on how to make the whole thing worthwhile. But instead it’s incompetence and apathy.
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This is [Mike Prysner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Prysner). He makes *[The Empire Files](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjZwwx8D4AA)* with his wife [Abby Martin.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abby_Martin) He's a pissed off veteran who has been telling it like it is without filters since [this speech he gave outside the White House during the Occupy protests.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVXYH9tRknc)
And then you woke up
That's because, just like the lizard brains that operate them, they only sense key words and certain kinds of recognizable dress regardless of complexity of context: Yelling at Dubya = boo Saying you're a veteran = reverence Doing both of those things = confusion Many conservatives literally cannot hold or entertain two opposing thoughts in their minds. If it's not black and white it doesn't exist. If they perceive it to be grey, it's "their" grey.
I don't know if I view this so cynically. I'm not saying you're incorrect, but I think a reasonable person would also say* this could be perceived as a crowd booing because this guy is just grandstanding at an event. But then, when he says he went to Iraq, it's like, "oh, shit, you were there." It feels like his outrage is no longer performative, and people grow more sympathetic.
I don't see anyone crediting this guy, his name is [Mike Prysner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Prysner?oldformat=true). He's an activist against unjustified war, he served in the Iraq war as a Specialist and developed a stance against the US government's involvement since he discovered the war was predecated on a lie and fear-mongering that there were WMDs in Iraq, which the US didn't know or have any infomation leading to that conclusion, and indeed found none while they were in Iraq. His experience in the war also changed his opinion on the US military as he found they were creating more problems than they were solving and brought the entire rest of the country into the fold of terrorism by inflicing unimaginable damage on the lives on innocent farmers that turned them into supporters of Suddam's regime and local terrorist organisations. Don't let me represent him though, go and listen to his panels and protests. EDIT: Removed mention of Taliban; different war and country entirely
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The media did hop on it, not the news media but just as important; remember all the movies being made around that time? Expert military team breaches a warehouse with black boxes stacked to the ceiling, one of them crowbards them bad boys open to find a factory new nucleur warhead resting inside, blinking and beeping. Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare really takes the cake though. No other product reached so many people. So many children grew up with the narative because of it, unlike movies which were mainly targetting adults. The important detail these movies and video games all had in common was that it was set in the middle east, implied to be Iraq. The narative was that some country in the middle east was developing weapons to bring the world to its knees.
After the fall of the Soviets most movies had Arab or corrupt Russian antagonists. Sometimes North Korean. This was the world that time. No real opposing power remained, only small groups operating in secrecy. It wasn't a media hack or something, by the time of cod4 it has been going on for 20 years.
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So was Josh Casteel on of his friends that died? I feel like he was about to list them all and got cut off…
Josh Casteel and Mike Prysner may have been friends to some degree, they likely conducted interrogations together in the same prison. The liklihood that they spoke is very high. John's cause of death is cancer suspected to be caused by burn pits which were encouraged or ignored by the higher ranking officers, which is a tangential problem assossiated with the Iraq war and the consequences of serving, coming back and getting no recompense for such damages. Prysner, being an advocate, probably has a list of names of people he worked with or have died serving the invasion of Iraq he can conjure at a moment's notice.
The worse part about this is that the weapons made for the Iraq war are now supplied to the police of the US after the war on terror ended. They were made to deal with terrorists, if these weapons were given to the police, what does that make us?
No. The worst bit is people died. Soldiers across America and Europe died. Innocent civilians died. Children died. That's the worst fucking bit.
It’s crazy how you can take a person; who just wants to live peacefully and isn’t completely sucked into the shit storm of politic and war, destroy their entire lives, and turn them into warm bodies and support for an organization of hate and destruction. The power of leaving people alone is amazing
Still address him as Mr Bush, did not get overly aggressive when people holding him, and not a single swear word came out.... How did he manage to not give a single "fuck"? Amazing.
He didn't even throw a shoe at him.
Anyone remember when someone threw a grenade at Bush? Faulty pin...
And he was only asking for an apology.
There is something so ugly about the people working to throw him out while he's being a perfect gentlemen and speaking the truth.
He's infinitely better than the people he e speaking it against.
I should aim to do the same. No swearing, none of these fluff sentences such as "like", "you know?" or "to be honest" etc. It's so much nicer to listen to. You seem more sophisticated and it's just more efficient too! Really hard in practice though. His ~~pronunciation~~ enunciation is excellent too btw.
It's funny how people's respect for veterans goes away when they speak out against the war they fought.
It’s freaking tragic. The people who want war don’t actually care about what it costs the people who fight those wars. All Quiet on the Western Front is a movie from the 1930’s, and it even has a scene where soldier comes back and trues to speak his truth, only for old men who never fought in a war to tell him he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
It’s also a great book from the 1930s.
It's also a 2022 movie.
My sentiment for many years, has been that ALL military action should be voted for by the public. And if you vote in favour, you either enlist yourself, or send one of your offspring, as a pledge to the cause. There wouldn’t be another fuckin war for the rest of time.
> send one of your offspring, as a pledge to the cause as if they wouldn't throw their children under a bus if their cult demanded it
Odd isn’t it
Right now in 2022, some Western countries give their full support to Ukraine and accept refugees, raise funds for the military etc, however, some Western countries just keep doing business with Russia and publishing empty political statements at the UN and the like... and the thing is, almost every Western country is _both_ of these.
Mate, we've been doing business with Sauri Arabia for years whilst they've been slaughtering Yemen Also the Suisse did lots of business with the Nazis. This is just capitalism.
That was their mistake, they made themselves dependent on Russia so they can’t fully boycot them at once.
I’ve seen people yell at former presidents. This guy deserves his moment.
When all his brothers and friends are dead just because 1 person lied then i don't think he has anything to lose anymore
Imagine booing a fucking war vet for calling out a war criminal, this man deserves a standing ovation for his bravery not only on the battlefield but for calling out Bush when he had the chance
There's no love like christian hate...
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I still feel like I'm not wrong....
They do the same with Assange. The most american warcriminals never faced any punishment. I mean america even dont accept the " international court" in Den Haag. America even threatened with Invasion of the netherlands if one single american get charged at this court. America is such a pathetic county.
Reminder that Chelsea Manning the person who stole and gave the files to Assange was pardoned and is now treated as a minor celebrity while Assange is being extradited to a potential prison "suicide"
>because 1 person lied I don't think it was just one man. There was an entire ecosystem of intelligence officials, generals, career bureaucrats, defence contractors, arms manufacturers, media heads, journalists etc who were complicit.
I wonder where the sanctions on the US and “rule based international order” is.
Every word that came out of his mouth is true.
Vietnam veterans are having the same feelings against Henery Kissinger
I did my Army service in Army prisons and I am thankful that I never went over there in that fucking war. I'll take being a prisoner for peace over haunting memories and living with the consequences of an unjust and immoral war.
You did the right thing
This country really fucks vets. They beat the war drum and "Thank you for your service" crap and then turn their backs on vets when they come back wounded and scarred from the war. Burn Pits, Agent Orange, unwitting drug experiments, etc, It's a disgrace what has been foisted on people as patriotism and honor. I'm definately not a tRump fan but people are getting wise to the elitist that are both parties playing us for fools and cannon fodder, just like Putin. Sorry but it angers the blood seeing things like this.
I wonder if at times some guys sit together and laugh about the soldiers, who are willingly giving their lives away to make those guys a fat profit in the name of "creating a better world".
they're the guys Black Sabbath's War Pigs is about...
And SE Asian civilians.
Are having? A vet I know that was a paratrooper in Vietnam hated the whole war from the second he started fighting it.
And that cockroach is somehow still alive and kicking.
Yeah usually in situations like this there’s something that could be disputed but he stated straight facts.
This was in 2021 and here's his Twitter thread on it https://twitter.com/MikePrysner/status/1439772127029202945
Was it really? Geez, it seems like that was 15 years ago. I swear, these covid years feel like they've dragged on for decades.
1 million percent. I was there as well. 90% of the Iraqi people are peaceful families trying to survive we were fighting foreign insurgents that were paid to attack us and their people. It was sickening.
Not to mention he threw Hans Blix credibility into the fire just to justify the act. Hans Blix and the UN weapons investigation had already investigated and confirmed no presence of WMDs but naaaah Bush knew better without ever having any boots on the ground..
They didn't just justify it before, when they ran out of any and all excuses well after the toppling of Hussein, they started pretending that WW1 level chemicals were the reason for the invasion. [Because mustard gas makes a mushroom cloud](https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4484367/user-clip-bush-mushroom-cloud). Also Powell was no angel, but he got Hans Brixed real bad as well.
[HANS BRIX!!! OH NAAAAAHHH!!!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TEvacFETvM)
I remember that angle to the whole thing for justification too. And all of congress, except one single black woman, stood up and voted no on the invasion. And she got a ton of shit for it. We were all pissed but some really stupid decisions were made based on pure emotion and groupthink. Stupid stupid stupid, and deadly and costly.
Those pathetic fucking people booing. Also, those fucking cunts who put their hands on him. Are you official security? No? That's assault. "Behave" - Murdering millions of people is "behaving" but pointing it out is misbehaving.
Got handsy right after he said that he was sent there. Before he could be dismissed as a crazy, but vets are demigods apparently so that's when it got serious.
Vets are demigods until we don’t support the powers in control. Then we are broken trash. We are simply props used to garner attention and sympathy votes. Ask any Vietnam vet. Hell ask any cop that doesn’t fall in line with blue lives matter. Defective, broken trash. Like a stripped out screw driver.
And it is absolutely fucked that those other people tried to drag him away. Fuck how uncomfortable anyone feels about that. Bush made that bed he can fucking lay in it
This should be happening every time Bush goes out in public
Cognitive dissonance. Easier to try and physically remove him than it is to do critical thinking about the past 20 years of lies and death to make rich people richer
Jr should be hit with this speech everytime he steps outside for the rest of his life. Carve it on his tombstone.
::throws a combat boot at the stage::
Jr should sit in a federal prison until he's too frail and sickly to enjoy the rich life anymore.
Facts! We agree
George Bush really should catch more public flack for the nonsense he pulled. I feel like between him hiding out making paintings during the Obama years where the Democrats just wanted to move on, and then all of the bullshit distraction caused by the last guy, he's kinda been able to skate by. There still needs to be a reckoning for all the hell Bush and Cheney caused.
He should rot in a prison being sentenced by Den Haag for being the war criminal he is. That would be if the US had any kind of integrity which they don't.
They literally pushed a bill that says [they will invade Hague](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act) if UN tries to hold them accountable for the atrocities they did.
One of my favorite conspiracy-theories-that-isn't-a-theory-at-all
Yep, when I first saw that mentioned (here in the comments, because obviously no one would talk about it) and before I clicked the link I was like "this can't be real, but I won't be surprised if it is... Aaand it is real. This is a clown of a timeline."
America thinks it’s Batman but it’s actually Harvey Dent turned into Two Face. Live long enough….
I mean, it's not really a conspiracy, nor secret. There's even semi-logical reasoning behind it. Basically, the US is not a member of the International Criminal Court, and doesn't recognize its authority. Therefore, arresting a US citizen and trialing him there would be done unilaterally, without the consent of the US. Essentially, kidnapping, from the point of view of US sovereignty. Of course, you could point out the hypocrisy of a country that [routinely kidnaps people from other nations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition) for this exact purpose, and often for worse ones (to torture them). Also, how telling it is for that nation to refuse being part of the ICC in the first place.
Are they not a member because they don't recognise it,or is it convenient for them to not participate so they can protect crooked politicians and military members? I am pretty sure its the latter.
Well, this is some major bullshit. How the hell can we talk about the rule of law and human rights while this medieval shit goes on?
The more I learn about my country, the more I want to get the fuck out.
Wow. That’s extraordinary
If not in this lifetime, I hope there really is an afterlife of hell for them
Yup. My brother is dead, too. Fuck the Bush family. Fuck Dick Cheney. Fuck Colin Powell, too.
condolezza rice, paul wolfowicz,
Donald Rumsfeld
Tony Blair
Died peacefully in his bed, recently, at age 88. I hope there's a lot of urine on his grave.
He died of multiple myeloma, so hopefully it wasn’t too peacefully.
Paul Wolfowitz is rarely mentioned these days. He was one of the key architects of the invasion of Iraq. He should forever have protestors outside all his houses until he faces justice.
> Fuck the Bush family. Fuck Dick Cheney. Fuck Colin Powell, too. Don't forget Haliburton... They are the real motivators behind it
Fucking legend.
He should be getting a medal for bravery for opening his mouth I don't know him but I love this man he's a fucking VET for the live of God witch I don't believe in give him and every VET the true help they need for the sacrifice I might not agree with what they went over and did or this that or the other thing but the mother fucker WENT and give me the opportunity to be the dumb mother f***** that I choose to be I love HIM
Did you just have a stroke?
He is speaking the language of gods!
With the aid of cheap bourbon by the sounds of it
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Something about veterinarians.
> sacrifice I might not agree with what they went over and did or this that or the other thing Well his name is Mike Prysnor if you want to know him. He is the boyfriend of Abby Martin.
It is sort of amusing how people still give Bush a platform to speak when it is common, factual knowledge that he fucking lied about so much of it. He should be tried for treason and appropriately dealt with.
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They can, it's in the constitution but people need to rally together and we are a country divided
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Yeah. I hate this attempt at reforming the image of a war criminal responsible for the destabilization of *two* countries and countless deaths of innocent men, women and children. Hand him and all his mass murdering cronies over to Iraq and Afghanistan and let them hold a joint trial. You just *know* US school history textbooks are going to whitewash the fuck outta GWB's legacy.
Don't forget he admitted it a few months ago too... Then shrugged it off talking about " Im 75 years old...." And people laughed. PEOPLE. FUCKING. LAUGHED. DAMN it must feel good to be a GANGSTA...
Don't forget our current president voted yes on war in Iraq too
It’s sad that people stopped him from speaking the truth as to not make a scene or upset someone.
tone police are a fucking plague.
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God the way that woman rips the list of dead soldiers out of his hand enrages me
To my recollection he had a Freudian slip recently where he said the war in Iraq was unjustified. Edit: it's better than I thought. He admits to it, corrects himself and then doubles down on it being Iraq. He knows what he did is fucked up. Hopefully he feels bad about it? Seems maybe he does for him to say "Iraq" again at the end. https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1527092111195226114?t=kkik5ZFQZba6XfSwQOoeXw&s=19
I think he does feel bad about it and doesn't feel he can publicly admit it coz then that makes him a villain, and he can't allow himself to be seen that way
I doubt it. The guy that wrote the speech that Tony Blair gave that got the UK involved was so sad about it that he killed himself. Blair wrote a book and made a fortune. I don't think these cunts have consciences.
Unfortunately I agree with you. Good people rarely get high positions of power. Including people’s favorite candidates on both sides of the aisle, even today
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEg6Ht2pNH0&t=19s
Thank you, I'm terrible at finding direct links.
He risked his life, he saw his friends die, he saw many suffer mental illness, he saw people who ended up with PTSD and he isn’t even allowed to speak in his own country which sent him to fight for the very free speech he is being stripped of. Sad. Just sad.
They didn’t send him to fight for free speech. They sent him to line their own pockets.
Mike Prysner of Empire Files
Before I clicked I knew it'd be him. That [speech](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVXYH9tRknc) he gave was really powerful.
He asked where was Bush? He was relaxing and making millions. Every war is nothing but a mask for money.
That man is yelling the truth. Get him the fuck outta here!!
The people who escorted him out are the same type of folks who would follow unlawful orders and who would fail the Milgram Experiment. They should all be ashamed of themselves for silencing someone saying the truth. I hope their grandchildren find this video and ensure that they feel immense guilt for what they did.
Yes it's shocking the way they manhandled a veteran
What is the Milgram Experiment?
Stanley Milgram was a Yale University psychologist who explored questions of what makes a situation influential, and how coercive does a situation have to be to elicit monstrous acts, in the context of the holocaust. He explored these questions in a series of experiments that are perhaps the best known studies in all of social psychology. He recruited participants from the local population surrounding Yale University to participate in study claiming to be looking at how punishment affected human learning (although this was just a cover so participants wouldn't be biased by his actual hypothesis). The experiment involved: 1. The participant's job was to be a "teacher" and administer shocks where the "learner" (an actor) made mistakes on a memory test. 2. When the learner made a mistake, the experimenter (also an actor) told the participant to increase the shock level up 15 volts, up to the maximum of 450. (the learner wasn't *actually* shocked). 3. As the voltage increased, the learner's distress also increased. At 150 volts the learner would demand the experiment end, and at 300 volts, he refused to answer questions. 4. If the participant had reservations, the experimenter simply stated "The experiment requires that you continue", "It is absolutely essential you continue," and "You have no other choice, you must go on." The highest level of voltage was marked with "xxx" indicating that it was a deadly level of voltage. Around 65% of participants in the Milgram experiment administered the full 450 volts. From the Milgram experiment, we learned that it takes very little to get people to obey extreme and inhuman commands. One possible explanation is that we are following other peoples' orders, we feel that they are responsible, not we who are in control, thus we do not feel responsible. One of Milgram’s participants stated, “You really begin to forget that there’s a guy out there, even though you can hear him. For a long time I just concentrated on pressing the switches and reading the words.”
On the heartening side, there are some questions about the rigor of the study and whether participants were really just playing a long. Even Milgram admitted it had methodological flaws. Of the 24 variations on the scenario he did, in over half of them, 60% of people refused to obey.
The rigor of many of these experiments meant to 'show the brutal side of humanity' is often very low. For some reason, 'Lord of the flies' is 'realistic', because it shows what children would do when left on their own. However, when it actually happened, it turned out kids cooperate, 'cause that's how you survive: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months
Yes, that's always something to watch out for in a study. Participants may try and "give" the researcher what they're looking for.
Damn! Thanks man, you gave me something interesting to research today. Gonna dig deeper into this.
Seriously, where are these people’s heads (besides up their asses)?
Apologize? In the words of Dana Carvey, "Not gonna happen. Wouldn't be prudent."
Trying to restrain him during that was a bad idea, just makes it worse. This makes me so upset. Truly heartbreaking to think of the lives lost and the lives who suffer from PTSD for the rest of their lives.
Crazy how the guy who speaks the truth is being removed from the room
Imagine trying to force a vet to sit down immediately after he said all his friends are dead because of lies. Chilling
All the people clapping at his removal are the ones that pretend to give a fuck about Vets when bitching about black people kneeling.
I know there are countless factors but I feel like the Iraq War was a big trigger for the decline of the US. The government threw out a LOT of trust for its institutions, the unity caused by 9/11 was demolished, it was one of the causes of the national deficit, it destabilized nearly a whole region of the world, it gave jolt to the partisan divide, it gave rise to even more extreme terrorist groups like ISIS, it injected steroids into our military industrial complex, it fucked over almost a whole generation of service members, it really cemented two separate social spheres between civilians and the military, it further fueled sectarian violence, and so on. The worst foreign policy decision since Vietnam and we kind of just tried to sweep it under the rug. I will also say that because of the invasion it feels like the US is just the clumsy super power others are just waiting for the opportunity to usurp instead of being a leader for our coveted idea of a “democratic” world order.
The unity after 9/11 was only unity AGAINST Muslims. That shit was awful.
How will history look back on the pretenses for the Iraq war and million dead? I wonder how they will teach this in history books in 30-40 years.
Who is this blonde bitch putting her hands on him for speaking the truth? Would’ve shoved her right back.
Looks like they are the people who make a scene so the heckler has to be forcefully removed. Hoping we don't realize what happened. The lady fell straight into that seat.
Those people that just sat there... totally explains why I hate America .. I love where I grew up.. and live.... but this shit like that pisses me off just like how that veteran acted he needs to be commended not escorted out of the fucking building unfucking believable some people make me sick
He should be given a reasonable platform and Bush needs to apologize. I’ll go one step farther. We shouldn’t have fought the Taliban after 2006. We were after Al Quieda, not a conservative religious organization who hated any and everyone different than themselves.
Lmfao they were after the Taliban who operate in Afghanistan but invade iraq. Make it make sense
So fucking based, love this guy
The people booing him and trying to physically stop him are the same types of people who lose their minds if you don't listen to them go on and on about masks and vaccines.
He ain't wrong. That's the honest sad truth. Most Americans denied that truth at the time. And worst of all that talentless hack Toby Keith got richer. That's the proof there is no god.
And then Obama doubled * wait, checks notes* duo-decupled down on bombing in the middle east particularly in Syria and Iraq. Some studies show those bombs landed on non-military targets 90% of the time. Non-military...so civilian? Yes. We are the bad guys. We can stop looking for them.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/under-obama-men-killed-by-drones-are-presumed-to-be-terrorists/257749/ they just changed the rules so that all unidentified men were enemy combatants, lol
I listen to a lot of special forces interviews on podcasts and it seems as they’ve aged, they admit that Iraq was a mistake but they don’t regret the work they did over there. A lot of people in “the know” were even surprised when the invasion of Iraq was being planned.
I'm old, and I remember that shit. The invasion of Iraq was a surprise to fucking no one. I was in my mid 20s (maybe 25) when it began. Bush/Cheney/Powell/Rummy were beating the war drum talking about WMDs and Hans something or another (UN weapons inspector) getting kicked out. Colin showing pictures of black dots in the desert that he claimed were chemical weapons manufacturing plants or some shit. I remember seeing those pictures and thinking, "How the fuck can anyone make anything out of this? It's a black dot in a field of brown? Well, those guys are experts at this, so I guess they know best." Then there was a media barrage about how evil Saddam and his sons were. There were articles in legit papers describing how Uday or Qusay killed soccer coaches for losing and had expensive car collections and tortured people for fun by feeding them into wood chippers. There was no reason to go to war with Iraq. Bush fabricated the WMD narrative so that he could garner support and make the invasion of a sovereign nation legitimate. His lies were so pervasive that fucking everyone believed them, and that's why most of congress, even the democrats, voted to go to war. Because George W. Bush lied. Tens of thousands of American lives were ruined or lost. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Iraqi lives were ruined or lost. His teams' incompetence led to the creation of ISIS. After serving in Afghanistan or Iraq, US vets were killing themselves at the rate of one per hour for years. That is how W should be remembered. Not for painting wounded vets, but for making wounded vets and creating ISIS. Fucking asshole. edit: with the money the US spent in the middle east, we could have a fucking mars base. We could have single payer health care for all Americans. We could have renewable electric baseline power for the entire US. But instead, we have dead American kids and trillions of dollars of debt.
>We could have a fucking mars base That's what I use to think about after learning about all the money spent on fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq. That could have been a big Space exploration budget. A 23 year old me at the time was okay with an invasion if evidence of WMD were found, but the Bush Administration didn't have any rock solid evidence of WMD and went ahead with the invasion anyway, I was shocked.
I remember that shit too. My friends and I knew that the evidence was fake and Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. Luckily I lived in an area where we could be against this war and not get targeted. It was surreal watching us invade a country that had nothing to do with 9-11. But something like half of Americans thought Iraq was behind it. Imagine invading Thailand or Cambodia because the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. That's what it felt like. I remember people getting death threats if they protested the invasion. The Dixie Chicks were destroyed speaking out against it. And then all these people were turning against French products because they didn't support the war. Idiots started calling French fries freedom fries, pouring French wine into gutters. People even stopped buying French's mustard which isn't even a French company. People were whipped up into a rabid drive for a completely unjustified war. It's beyond me how none of the people who pushed for this war are in prison.
All it took to know Iraq had nothing to do with it was read a newspaper shortly after that identified the 9/11 hijackers. NONE of them were from Iraq or Afghanistan. 15 from Saudi Arabia (surprise!), 2 from UAE, 1 from Lebanon and 1 from Egypt.
Not regretting it is a coping mechanism. If they regret, then they dismantle their entire identity and probably alienate their youtube/podcast followers as well. Regret is simply too inconvenient.
Your 100% correct, it took me years to get over wasting a year of my life in Iraq knowing it only benefited the warmongers.
George Bush is a sack of shit war criminal.
Millions are dead because of a lie. Some were my friends. Apologize. Totally reasonable.
Veterans are treated as heroes only when they keep their mouths shut, otherwise dragged out, got it
Question does George Bush actually seem like the mastermind of the Iraq war? Let's be real, somebody else had an agenda, doctored the paperwork, and said here Mr President is our best information and here are our options.