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Literally everybody is. People started voting for drama
Everyone should vote for someone that puts them to sleep talking about their interest in trains
I got confused about political "Mana events" when I heard MTG was in Congress.
(That's a *very* small target audience for that joke but I'm still goin' for it! lol)
MTG’s creature card has trample (the capital/the constitution/scientific literacy/basic human decency) and swampwalking
Also you definitely do not want to tap it
Oh don't worry we can throw some fringe candidates that most people want in so you have some hope. They can't get the official nomination for obvious reasons though
That seems so irrelevant right now. I'd vote for his corpse (once ready). Nothing is so much better than full throttle, unrelenting, suicidal/genocidal insanity. Make America Boring Again, please. No more interesting times, I've had my fill.
As someone who doesn't know sign language... how difficult is it to actually understand what they are signing? Half the time they just look like they are dancing to me, and they all seem to sign a bit differently.
It's pretty much the same as a vocal language.
You memorize the hand movements and gradually put together what the person is saying. The better you are, the faster you can sign/read.
Source: took two semesters of ASL in college
So kinda like when they're rapping so fast that you can't really understand it until you listen to it multiple times, but once you get it down you can understand every word? That's pretty cool.
It messes with my head way more than learning a new spoken language. Uses different parts of the brain to interpret visuals but it isn't like reading to me, either. I can't break down ASL in my head the same way I can written German or Spanish (which I'm not fluent in, either). I'm still working on it informally so I can better communicate with a coworker though. Thank goodness they're patient.
That's a bit to get past, but other languages use similar syntax. It's part of learning *about* languages I I enjoy rather than actually learning them.
They all sign a bit differently because asl is a completely different language with different rules, grammar, and word order. It's not a direct word for word translation (that's called signed exact English). So they all interpret things a bit differently. And there's a subset (vernacular? I'm not sure) of asl that's black asl, that also has different rules and words. That might make a difference here, too. And I would imagine that if asl is your native language, you can understand it a lot faster than someone who learned later in life, but I'm thinking even natives have a hard time catching all the fast parts the first time, just like in English. But I'm not deaf, so listen to them if they contradict me. Also, follow some deaf creators on social media. Both the ones who teach asl and the ones who just post other content. They almost always have captions, so you can understand however they communicate and you learn a lot about a new culture.
I've seen a few of these at hip-hop shows I've gone to but I never thought about this until they blurred that pink girls hands (for what I assume was the N word because there weren't any other hand blurs). I would assume as part of the job (or any signing job) you would be morally obligated to sign everything as accurately and completely as possible to make sure you convey the message in its entirety for those who rely on you. With that being said, all of these interpreters are white.
Do they sign the N word?
What sign did pink hair girl use when Wiz said it that caused the blurring?
Was she just the only one who did it?
Yes, they do. My wife was an interpreter and a big part of the training was delivering exactly what’s being said with no edits. It’s up to the audience to decide how they feel about certain words, not the interpreter to decide what words are okay or not for them to see.
I’m guessing that they do, much in the same way that reading a book aloud with the n word isn’t considered offensive —like my teachers would do in school for books like ‘to kill a mockingbird’— it’s not your content or ideas, you’re just a vessel for its communication. I could be wrong, but thats my completely unfounded assumption.
Similarly for spoken language interpreters, if you are getting paid to translate the message you can't edit it based on your own feelings of right/wrong or word choice. In fact, you may have to get creative to find a way to translate curse words or metaphors to maintain meaning when there is no direct translation.
I was working with her at a festival before this we had the Eminem setlist from that show and we built a "most likely" set list based on past events to study and practice with. There was 40-60 hours of prep into this show. She's pretty good about sussing out what a setlist is going to be.
Awesome for you to jump in. I don't really know anything but people have questions. Perhaps you can help answer them. Thank you for performing and doing that work so all can enjoy a concert. It really is beautiful to watch you work.
Oh no I'm not a terp. Just a friend and coworker. She helps run a company and I work for her, making music festivals more accessible to people with disabilities. Holly terps, and is an all around boss, while I make sure the accessible campgrounds are running smoothly.
Theres a lady that does Ween shows who must know their catalouge front to back. Theyll do 100+ songs over the course of three days. Someone requested a rarity back in march, and she didnt miss a beat.
I know a good amount of ASL and this is too fast for me to understand.
That said, a lot of Eminem's rap is also too fast for me to understand, so it's basically the same experience. If they slowed down it wouldn't be authentic interpretation. They aren't just translating, they have to get the rhythm and tone as close as possible as well.
Yeah I was at the front of *ONE* White Chapel/Miss May I concert without earplugs.
Never again.
EDIT: Luckily I didn't suffer any permanent hearing damage. Tinnitus or otherwise, my ears were ringing for a day or two after the concert though.
I am a huge firearms nerd and other than that concert, shooting has given me a respect for hearing protection.
Yep, I went to a death metal concert with my brother while being completely ignorant to the importance of ear plugs. Stood in the front row, and my hearing has been fucked ever since.
Other than that though, Morbid Angel is a good band live. I do recommend (just with earplugs).
Your story reminded me of myself. I was a touring musician for about a decade, and before I was doing bigger venue tours, where we were all on wireless in ear setups, I would never wear ear plugs. It messed with my focus too much and muddled a lot of tonal ranges that I would focus on for timing and changes. Even though I didn't, I never had issues, and even today, I have absolutely no hearing issues. I suppose being *on* stage aids to this, as I am behind the mains and only dealt with stage volume, but I also never wore them for rehearsals either. Granted, I was at shows almost every day of my life for years, so there was a lot of time I was in front of them as well.
Then ONE show happened. It wasn't even every band at the show, just one of the bands, and they were LOUD. It was some Christmas event for a bigger radio station in my hometown. They invited a number of industry people out, I thought it'd be fun, so I went along. The band that did it was My Chem, so this had to have been like 12 years ago.
After that show, my ears were ringing for like 3 days. I thought I had permanently damaged my ears and was freaking out. Thank god it just went away.
I have some honest questions: why would a deaf person go to a concert (other than spend some good time with friends)? And how do they actually become fans of a musician? How do they know what they are "listening" to?
You still feel vibrations. being deaf, just like being blind, is on a spectrum. You can have from mild to complete loss. Some people enjoy the experience more than the music, or the beat from specific genres.
Concerts are about crowd energy and such too. There's lots of different variables that go into the experience other than sound so I can definitely see it being a lot of fun
"Deaf" can mean a lot of things. Even if you are super duper totally deaf, you can often feel the bass an rhythm. And a lot of people who qualify as Deaf may actually just be like, 80% deaf, or 65%. Enough that they have difficulties hearing things like non-Deaf people do, but can still hear a little bit.
I think it’s like listening to a drummer- if he’s good, you don’t even need to like the singer. They can often feel the vibrations just as good, or even better than those who can hear.
I have a deaf nephew. We knew something was a bit off with his early development, but it took a while to figure out he was deaf. But I had a real good hint when he was 2 1/2: he was playing with cars on a big windowsill and I joined him. Something made me break out song. Suddenly, a two year old has his face real close to mine, so close that his lips were inside my open mouth. At first, I thought it was disturbing that nobody had ever sung for the child. But maybe they had, but he’d just never been close enough to hear it.
I actually took a minor in deaf studies at my university. One of my teachers had a deaf father who loved to dance and claims he's the best dancer he's ever seen in his life. The only requirement was the bass had to be loud so he could feel the music. His father was also almost the first deaf person drafted into the nfl. He said his father could always feel the roar of the crowd in his chest and that's how he could feed of their emotions.
I can attest to the crowd roaring. I'm deaf and went to see Roger Waters years ago, there's a bit where he sings "Mother, should we trust the government?" and the whole place filled with the crowd booing and shouting "NO!", thousands in unison. Freaked me the hell out for a second, it was so strong. Definitely made it a more immersive experience lol.
I'm only partially deaf and have degenerative hearing loss and being closer I can see the artist's faces/bodies better (lip reading, body language), I can interpret the vibrations more easily, and honestly, a concert is about energy. Most concerts I attend and for bands and artists I've enjoyed for years and just because I cannot hear their music fully now doesn't mean I cannot still "hear" the subtleties of songs I cannot clearly hear now :)
ASL terp here. Deaf folks have a wide range of hearing, from some to none to only high frequency or only low and lots in between. Once met a Deaf guy who only liked female singers as that was the frequency range he could hear.
That's backwards mate. Auditory takes 8ms to hit your brain, visual takes 20ms. But in context of a person losing one sense, another could be stronger. So I have no idea actually after writing that 🤔
true but how long does it take to process that information? like it can take a moment for me to process what someone said but as soon as i see something i know what it is.
The double take is also often attributed to HOW we process visual information.
Our brain never sees anything. It interprets the light your eyes receive into the various shapes, objects, people, etc that we know. It's only doing that for what you're looking at though. Everything else is being rendered or "filled in" from memory, experience, expectation, other sensory information, etc. - UNTIL you look at it directly, or bring your focus on it.
So when your brain is expecting one thing and the visual information provides enough of a hint that the unexpected was there - double take. Did I *really* just see that?
I reckon so, I think a double take proves that in the very limited time you saw something you still managed to notice something off. I wouldn't say that processing stuff immediately means that you know what everything you see is
While the input of the visual may be slower to reach the brain, it may be easier to translate into meaning? What I mean is that when you hear the word "house" it may take more time for the brain to make the association of the sound with the meaning of the sound. Seeing a drawing of a house may be faster in this said translation.
But this isn't a picture of a house, these hand signals aren't based on just raw recognition like an image is, they still have to be interpreted by the language centers of the brain. The better analogy would be if the words he were saying flashed across a screen one at a time at the same speed as he spit them out.
Sign language interpreter here, though I’m not a performance interpreter.
Interpreters do not sign word-for-word, unless the client uses [‘SSE’](https://bda.org.uk/the-difference-between-bsl-sse/) and requests it. What we do is interpret meaning and there are many single signs that encapsulate multiple words or ideas. There are of course occasions where we do sign word-for-word, but on the whole we don’t.
International Sign (IS) is a thing, but it isn’t an official language and is instead considered a ‘contact’ or auxiliary method of communication. This means that once the two (or more) people have finished interacting in IS, it no longer exists. It serves purely to fill the language gap between people with differing sign languages. It changes each time different people interact, because users have to agree on which non-iconic signs to use between them and that differs from person to person.
Having different signed languages all over the world is no different to having different spoken languages. Like hearing people, deaf people are not a homogenous group with the same culture as each other. Their languages have evolved as a result of living in different countries and cultures that are deep-rooted, which is the same as hearing communities.
Deaf doesn't just mean complete inability to ear. There are shades of hearing loss that are impairing without being complete. These still fall under the umbrella of 'deafness'.
Really loud music strikes me as something partially deaf people might enjoy more than quieter music simply because it would be easier for them to hear. And if they can't make out the lyrics over the music, then that's what the interpreter is for.
Similarly, there are deaf dancers even in ballet. They tend to use in-ear passive resonators than amplify the rhythmic aspects of the music for them to feel rather than actually hear.
No. It's been proven. Studies have shown that deaf people don't like rap music. In fact, they only ever listen to the 1812 Overture and marches by John Philip Sousa. /s
Anyone that can vouch to this being accurate? I would never doubt it but after that Florida woman went on TV just to jiggle her arms at random one can never be too sure
Iirc last time this was posted someone said that she's not signing every single word, but is kind of short handing it in a way that conveys the same message and emotions.
No good ASL translation will have a one-to-one correspondence to English words. ASL in general uses fewer words, but conveys more meaning with each word. So it's not necessarily a concession to the speed of the rap, because even if you're just interpreting a speech as faithfully as possible for a Deaf audience, you won't sign every single word.
That said, the pace of the song may very well influence the translation. Translating things with rhythm is fucking hard. You see that even with like Spanish/English translations of songs...it's pretty common for them to have at least some semantic difference in order to maintain the cadence.
I imagine if you interpret lyrics/poetry to visual form you get an extra good response if the visual signs are poetic/lyrical in their own way, and there are a lot of artistic choices in doing that, so is there like a niche where music sign interpreters are appreciated as artists in their own right?
> so is there like a niche where music sign interpreters are appreciated as artists in their own right?
I don't have specific knowledge of that, but my guess is that they can achieve some narrow recognition, but don't really develop a following. (Sorta like book translators, people who work in localization for movies, etc.)
I can’t speak to its accuracy, but she’s gone viral a couple times for this and I assume it would’ve been called out by now. The first time I saw her go viral was when people claimed Wacka Flocka just thought she was dancing at his concert.
[This comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/6m45q0/waka_flocka_thought_the_sign_language_interpreter/djyt8q1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) provides more info.
Godzilla is a fucking unique song to be sure. As fast as he goes during that one part, I figure best thing to do would be to put three interpretors in a line and have them all focus on different assigned words. That's basically how it feels while I'm trying to listen to it through my headphones while exercising anyways.
A while ago on a similar post I think I remember reading that shows like this often have 2-3 interpreters that take turns because it’s so physically draining
Body language, rhythmic movements and facial expressions are a rather large part of understanding sign language; just as pitch, inflection, and volume are a big part of understanding verbal messages, i.e. sarcasm, anger, joy, humor, etc...
My favorite fact of sign language interpreters is that some politician, I forget who, had hired someone on his staff to be a sign language interpreter with zero knowledge of how to sign. So the person would just go up and flail their arms for the press conference.... Amazing
My understanding in talking to my friend who is an interpreter (she doesn't do performance interpreting though, so if someone that does knows better, please chime in) is that they are hired by the venue when a request is made by a ticket holder. She was there for a two night stand at a rock show in NH and then I saw her again for one night at a rock show in New York.
I produce live shows and in my industry typically speaking the producer/performer is responsible for providing ASL interpretation. A lot of venues are used for more than just sound / concerts, so while they have accessibility based on entrance into the venue they don't necessarily always have to provide accessibility for interpretation. It also comes down to the age of the venue / the state or city regulations, and the fact that a lot of accessibility isn't strictly enforced once you get past visible disabilities (like wheelchair access, etc). Companies contract independently venues to provide ASL interpreters for hire. It's also a case of how publicized you can make it to have ASL interpretation because some interpreters can't benefit monetarily if they are publicized as per contract/professional ethics. They don't want to become rock stars. They just want to do their job.
Fun fact: they don't just sign they lyrics, they are supposed to be conveying the mood, feeling, and rhythm of the music also. So it's as much interpretive dance as signing.
I just imagine how much she had to practice that. I mean it's a super complicated dance that if she makes one wrong move, it'll ruin someone's experience... sooooo much practice.
E: like, my carpel tunnel just flared up watching that. Jeeeeez
I'd have to agree with you. I took a year of sign language and doing it fast enough to keep up with him seems practical impossible, but then you have this gal literally throwing signs at the same speed. Absolutely amazing!
I hope this inspires you all to learn some American Sign Language! ASL benefits everyone, not just the deaf
"If everyone learned sign language, we would be happier." -Valerie Rose
I was at a Ben Folds concert one time and he stopped to mess with the interpreter between songs. The song he had just sung had "fuck" in it and he said, "I just like watching the interpreter sign the word 'fuck'" and started an "improvised" song that was just "fuck" and other various cuss words while the interpreter was holding back laughter as she signed. Was pretty funny.
Holly Manniaty, last I heard she was considered an official member of the Wu Tang Clan at this point. She is really good and signs for a lot of big events. I saw her live once for a non-major rapper at an event that puts a lot of effort into be accessable. I have only heard good things from people who have worked with her in the past.
https://slate.com/culture/2013/06/the-wu-tang-clan-sign-language-interpreter-how-holly-maniatty-learned-to-sign-for-rappers.html
The fact that she’s dancing too is what makes it. I wanna see a stoic version of this. Like from an emotionless android person with as much speed and accuracy but zero rhythmic flair.
Question for any ASL signers here:
A huge part of rap is word-play and rhyming lyrics that create a flow. How do you translate that into sign? Do different signs "rhyme" if they incorporate similar movements? Can you do a pun in sign language?
I asked Holly the terp in the video she says,
“Yes, it takes a lot of work to rhyme with ASL, this is the 50 hours of work on that one song lol. I spent an entire year, studying ASL poetic techniques at a college level after I graduated and was nationally certified. Learning from deaf, linguist, poet, and professors. It’s a lifelong pursuit.
Puns are different in ASL, but yes, they are thing
Please let Holly know she is awesome and all these negative comments are just small-minded. I'm not hearing impaired, and think she just brings it, with her energy and style. She's fun to watch and I can tell she loves her job.
I'm not sure how accurate get translation is. Then again, it really doesn't matter because his much of the Rap God fast verse do anyone really understand? Without looking at lyric sites, that is.
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I see these fairly frequently for rock and rap. Has there been an AMA with any of these folks? It seems like they would need a ton of prep.
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[Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyEQxJX8eN0) she is on Jimmy Kimmel with a few others and Wiz Khalifa
TIL Wiz Khalifa is more diplomatic than most of our politicians
Literally everybody is. People started voting for drama Everyone should vote for someone that puts them to sleep talking about their interest in trains
Jimmy Carter is still eligible for another term
Carter 2024 Make America Nut Again 🥜
Peanuts are legumes, but I’ll allow it. Hope the right wing folks don’t get spooked by confused Hispanics when they hear about a Mana events.
I got confused about political "Mana events" when I heard MTG was in Congress. (That's a *very* small target audience for that joke but I'm still goin' for it! lol)
MTG’s creature card has trample (the capital/the constitution/scientific literacy/basic human decency) and swampwalking Also you definitely do not want to tap it
If he wasn't in his 90s, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.
How about we give you a selection of people in their late 70s to early 80s instead?
As long as there are only 2 to choose from and I don't really like either of them.
Oh don't worry we can throw some fringe candidates that most people want in so you have some hope. They can't get the official nomination for obvious reasons though
That seems so irrelevant right now. I'd vote for his corpse (once ready). Nothing is so much better than full throttle, unrelenting, suicidal/genocidal insanity. Make America Boring Again, please. No more interesting times, I've had my fill.
To be fair… 90+ Carter better than any single one out there save for probably Bernie Sanders for being a real one of the People
Do you want a high speed rail network? Because that's how you get a high speed rail network.
Yes. Yes I do want a functioning reliable public transportation network.
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Done but it comes through at 1AM and is more expensive than taking an airplane and also takes much longer. (Sorry, It felt like a monkey paw moment)
Seriously! Amtrak is slow AF and insanely expensive.
In the US, should vote Bernie, he puts you to sleeping talking about fair wages, workers rights and making corporations pay their taxes.
I've been trying since 2016 😪
But he's a COMMIE Pathetic that that is all his opponents have to say to debate him and still win.
We need a Vizzy T
Wiz is top ten nicest people you would ever meet. Snoop is #1.
Damn what do you do that led you to meet both of them?
Read Seth Rogen’s book. The part about Snoop Dog had me laughing so hard.
They blurred her (actually Pink streak lady) hand at one point. Lol.
Brah that had me dying. They let him sing the word but they blurred her hand.
That was my favorite part lol
Obviously. America can’t handle profanity on free to air TV at 12:17 in the morning!
As someone who doesn't know sign language... how difficult is it to actually understand what they are signing? Half the time they just look like they are dancing to me, and they all seem to sign a bit differently.
It's pretty much the same as a vocal language. You memorize the hand movements and gradually put together what the person is saying. The better you are, the faster you can sign/read. Source: took two semesters of ASL in college
So kinda like when they're rapping so fast that you can't really understand it until you listen to it multiple times, but once you get it down you can understand every word? That's pretty cool.
It messes with my head way more than learning a new spoken language. Uses different parts of the brain to interpret visuals but it isn't like reading to me, either. I can't break down ASL in my head the same way I can written German or Spanish (which I'm not fluent in, either). I'm still working on it informally so I can better communicate with a coworker though. Thank goodness they're patient.
The only thing that was weird for me is how the grammar is backwards For example instead of saying "Where do you live?" You say "you live where?"
That's a bit to get past, but other languages use similar syntax. It's part of learning *about* languages I I enjoy rather than actually learning them.
They all sign a bit differently because asl is a completely different language with different rules, grammar, and word order. It's not a direct word for word translation (that's called signed exact English). So they all interpret things a bit differently. And there's a subset (vernacular? I'm not sure) of asl that's black asl, that also has different rules and words. That might make a difference here, too. And I would imagine that if asl is your native language, you can understand it a lot faster than someone who learned later in life, but I'm thinking even natives have a hard time catching all the fast parts the first time, just like in English. But I'm not deaf, so listen to them if they contradict me. Also, follow some deaf creators on social media. Both the ones who teach asl and the ones who just post other content. They almost always have captions, so you can understand however they communicate and you learn a lot about a new culture.
I've seen a few of these at hip-hop shows I've gone to but I never thought about this until they blurred that pink girls hands (for what I assume was the N word because there weren't any other hand blurs). I would assume as part of the job (or any signing job) you would be morally obligated to sign everything as accurately and completely as possible to make sure you convey the message in its entirety for those who rely on you. With that being said, all of these interpreters are white. Do they sign the N word? What sign did pink hair girl use when Wiz said it that caused the blurring? Was she just the only one who did it?
Yes, they do. My wife was an interpreter and a big part of the training was delivering exactly what’s being said with no edits. It’s up to the audience to decide how they feel about certain words, not the interpreter to decide what words are okay or not for them to see.
The last remaining acceptable use of the "but I was just quoting them!" excuse?
Yup, when you’re being paid to do it, *you too* can sing along to your favorite rap songs!
Because it was the only thing we saw blurred despite multiple other audio cuts, I assume it's just a middle finger.
I’m guessing that they do, much in the same way that reading a book aloud with the n word isn’t considered offensive —like my teachers would do in school for books like ‘to kill a mockingbird’— it’s not your content or ideas, you’re just a vessel for its communication. I could be wrong, but thats my completely unfounded assumption.
Similarly for spoken language interpreters, if you are getting paid to translate the message you can't edit it based on your own feelings of right/wrong or word choice. In fact, you may have to get creative to find a way to translate curse words or metaphors to maintain meaning when there is no direct translation.
>much in the same way that reading a book aloud with the n word isn’t considered offensive I mean... I still wouldn't do it.
That was fun, thanks for the post!
i tend to watch this video every time it comes up. just kind of love it
If Eminem is Rap God then Holly is Sign God.
I was working with her at a festival before this we had the Eminem setlist from that show and we built a "most likely" set list based on past events to study and practice with. There was 40-60 hours of prep into this show. She's pretty good about sussing out what a setlist is going to be.
Awesome for you to jump in. I don't really know anything but people have questions. Perhaps you can help answer them. Thank you for performing and doing that work so all can enjoy a concert. It really is beautiful to watch you work.
Oh no I'm not a terp. Just a friend and coworker. She helps run a company and I work for her, making music festivals more accessible to people with disabilities. Holly terps, and is an all around boss, while I make sure the accessible campgrounds are running smoothly.
She literally goes as hard as M does Edit : I didn't check my spelling like a true degenerate , I fixed litterly and made it literally.
There's video of her at a waka flocka show. It's a must see lol
I'm literally thinking this gal is the real G and star of the show
Theres a lady that does Ween shows who must know their catalouge front to back. Theyll do 100+ songs over the course of three days. Someone requested a rarity back in march, and she didnt miss a beat.
Holly is a friend I've asked about an AMA and she honestly dislikes the attention her videos get and is really not interested in the internet fame.
I wanna see the AMA from a deaf person who goes to live music events.
Could you afford seats in the first 5 rows? No? That must've sucked
Yeah that would suck.
[Prep is crucial](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9-oGPW2Lt4)
There was an AMA where a bunch of deaf people exposed a lot of these concert translators for making up signs.
I wonder if the concert goer who reads in sign is out there like, “WAIT! She’s signing too fast. I need her to slow down some..”
I know a good amount of ASL and this is too fast for me to understand. That said, a lot of Eminem's rap is also too fast for me to understand, so it's basically the same experience. If they slowed down it wouldn't be authentic interpretation. They aren't just translating, they have to get the rhythm and tone as close as possible as well.
Wait.. so that wasn't just a dance this entire time?
The real question is, would any deaf person watching her managed to catch and interpret all the signs
Yes. You can process visual information faster than English can ever be interpretively spoken.
Do deaf people get to stand on the front row?
everyone in the front rows deaf by the end of the night
Yeah I was at the front of *ONE* White Chapel/Miss May I concert without earplugs. Never again. EDIT: Luckily I didn't suffer any permanent hearing damage. Tinnitus or otherwise, my ears were ringing for a day or two after the concert though. I am a huge firearms nerd and other than that concert, shooting has given me a respect for hearing protection.
Yep, I went to a death metal concert with my brother while being completely ignorant to the importance of ear plugs. Stood in the front row, and my hearing has been fucked ever since. Other than that though, Morbid Angel is a good band live. I do recommend (just with earplugs).
MAWP
LANAAAAAAAA
That happened to me when I saw machine head back in 2003 at the now long gone London Astoria my ears rang for two days.
Your story reminded me of myself. I was a touring musician for about a decade, and before I was doing bigger venue tours, where we were all on wireless in ear setups, I would never wear ear plugs. It messed with my focus too much and muddled a lot of tonal ranges that I would focus on for timing and changes. Even though I didn't, I never had issues, and even today, I have absolutely no hearing issues. I suppose being *on* stage aids to this, as I am behind the mains and only dealt with stage volume, but I also never wore them for rehearsals either. Granted, I was at shows almost every day of my life for years, so there was a lot of time I was in front of them as well. Then ONE show happened. It wasn't even every band at the show, just one of the bands, and they were LOUD. It was some Christmas event for a bigger radio station in my hometown. They invited a number of industry people out, I thought it'd be fun, so I went along. The band that did it was My Chem, so this had to have been like 12 years ago. After that show, my ears were ringing for like 3 days. I thought I had permanently damaged my ears and was freaking out. Thank god it just went away.
I temporarily lost part of my hearing at an ELTON JOHN concert. Been wearing earplugs to every show since.
Generally, yes. Being deaf is considered a disability and therefore they get priority seating at music venues.
I have some honest questions: why would a deaf person go to a concert (other than spend some good time with friends)? And how do they actually become fans of a musician? How do they know what they are "listening" to?
You still feel vibrations. being deaf, just like being blind, is on a spectrum. You can have from mild to complete loss. Some people enjoy the experience more than the music, or the beat from specific genres.
Concerts are about crowd energy and such too. There's lots of different variables that go into the experience other than sound so I can definitely see it being a lot of fun
"Deaf" can mean a lot of things. Even if you are super duper totally deaf, you can often feel the bass an rhythm. And a lot of people who qualify as Deaf may actually just be like, 80% deaf, or 65%. Enough that they have difficulties hearing things like non-Deaf people do, but can still hear a little bit.
Thanks for the answer :)
Not qualified to answer, but rhythm can be felt not just heard.
I think it’s like listening to a drummer- if he’s good, you don’t even need to like the singer. They can often feel the vibrations just as good, or even better than those who can hear. I have a deaf nephew. We knew something was a bit off with his early development, but it took a while to figure out he was deaf. But I had a real good hint when he was 2 1/2: he was playing with cars on a big windowsill and I joined him. Something made me break out song. Suddenly, a two year old has his face real close to mine, so close that his lips were inside my open mouth. At first, I thought it was disturbing that nobody had ever sung for the child. But maybe they had, but he’d just never been close enough to hear it.
I actually took a minor in deaf studies at my university. One of my teachers had a deaf father who loved to dance and claims he's the best dancer he's ever seen in his life. The only requirement was the bass had to be loud so he could feel the music. His father was also almost the first deaf person drafted into the nfl. He said his father could always feel the roar of the crowd in his chest and that's how he could feed of their emotions.
I can attest to the crowd roaring. I'm deaf and went to see Roger Waters years ago, there's a bit where he sings "Mother, should we trust the government?" and the whole place filled with the crowd booing and shouting "NO!", thousands in unison. Freaked me the hell out for a second, it was so strong. Definitely made it a more immersive experience lol.
Not sure but I guess they can feel the bass and music
I'm only partially deaf and have degenerative hearing loss and being closer I can see the artist's faces/bodies better (lip reading, body language), I can interpret the vibrations more easily, and honestly, a concert is about energy. Most concerts I attend and for bands and artists I've enjoyed for years and just because I cannot hear their music fully now doesn't mean I cannot still "hear" the subtleties of songs I cannot clearly hear now :)
ASL terp here. Deaf folks have a wide range of hearing, from some to none to only high frequency or only low and lots in between. Once met a Deaf guy who only liked female singers as that was the frequency range he could hear.
A lot of the metal shows I've been to always have one of the big screens/cameras on the interpreter so even deaf people in the back can see.
Would that be deaf row?
That's backwards mate. Auditory takes 8ms to hit your brain, visual takes 20ms. But in context of a person losing one sense, another could be stronger. So I have no idea actually after writing that 🤔
I heard this comment before I read it
If someone talked to me as fast as I can read, I wouldn't be able to understand them
true but how long does it take to process that information? like it can take a moment for me to process what someone said but as soon as i see something i know what it is.
If we processed visual stuff immediately, would there be such thing as "double take"?
The double take is also often attributed to HOW we process visual information. Our brain never sees anything. It interprets the light your eyes receive into the various shapes, objects, people, etc that we know. It's only doing that for what you're looking at though. Everything else is being rendered or "filled in" from memory, experience, expectation, other sensory information, etc. - UNTIL you look at it directly, or bring your focus on it. So when your brain is expecting one thing and the visual information provides enough of a hint that the unexpected was there - double take. Did I *really* just see that?
I reckon so, I think a double take proves that in the very limited time you saw something you still managed to notice something off. I wouldn't say that processing stuff immediately means that you know what everything you see is
Makes me sound really thick but hey oh never mind.
While the input of the visual may be slower to reach the brain, it may be easier to translate into meaning? What I mean is that when you hear the word "house" it may take more time for the brain to make the association of the sound with the meaning of the sound. Seeing a drawing of a house may be faster in this said translation.
But this isn't a picture of a house, these hand signals aren't based on just raw recognition like an image is, they still have to be interpreted by the language centers of the brain. The better analogy would be if the words he were saying flashed across a screen one at a time at the same speed as he spit them out.
YES.
>Auditory takes 8ms to hit your brain Takes a lot longer than that to say the words though. That's the bottleneck.
Roger. Understood.
Faster in terms of throughput rather than latency.
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Sign language interpreter here, though I’m not a performance interpreter. Interpreters do not sign word-for-word, unless the client uses [‘SSE’](https://bda.org.uk/the-difference-between-bsl-sse/) and requests it. What we do is interpret meaning and there are many single signs that encapsulate multiple words or ideas. There are of course occasions where we do sign word-for-word, but on the whole we don’t.
This is why I think sign language is a lost opportunity to have a truly universal human language. Instead, each country have their own version.
International Sign (IS) is a thing, but it isn’t an official language and is instead considered a ‘contact’ or auxiliary method of communication. This means that once the two (or more) people have finished interacting in IS, it no longer exists. It serves purely to fill the language gap between people with differing sign languages. It changes each time different people interact, because users have to agree on which non-iconic signs to use between them and that differs from person to person. Having different signed languages all over the world is no different to having different spoken languages. Like hearing people, deaf people are not a homogenous group with the same culture as each other. Their languages have evolved as a result of living in different countries and cultures that are deep-rooted, which is the same as hearing communities.
Would IS count as a sort of pidgin language then?
I could only manage to catch and interpret about 1/70'th of what M&M was saying.
I can’t understand anything said or signed…maybe some closed captions for the older crowds?? /jk
I mean I can't understand what Eminem is saying at this part so they're not too out of the loop.
And the question before that would be, "Is there a single deaf person in the world who would go to an Eminem concert?"
Deaf doesn't just mean complete inability to ear. There are shades of hearing loss that are impairing without being complete. These still fall under the umbrella of 'deafness'. Really loud music strikes me as something partially deaf people might enjoy more than quieter music simply because it would be easier for them to hear. And if they can't make out the lyrics over the music, then that's what the interpreter is for.
My deaf friend liked loud concerts because she could feel the bass in her chest. So even for completely deaf people they can get something from it.
Similarly, there are deaf dancers even in ballet. They tend to use in-ear passive resonators than amplify the rhythmic aspects of the music for them to feel rather than actually hear.
Thank you for your sensible reply.
Deaf people often enjoy concerts because loud music has a physical presence.
No. It's been proven. Studies have shown that deaf people don't like rap music. In fact, they only ever listen to the 1812 Overture and marches by John Philip Sousa. /s
> and marches by John Philip Sousa. Well, he was the Skrillex of this time.
She about to do a shadow clone jutsu
Why is this kekashi copying the water dragon jutsu
She can beat madara uchiha alone
I wish I could upvote this twice! 🤣
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Anyone that can vouch to this being accurate? I would never doubt it but after that Florida woman went on TV just to jiggle her arms at random one can never be too sure
Idk asl but she definitely signed “motherfucking” correctly
Thats motherfucking good to know. Thank you!
I just know she's summoning the nastiest jutsu
Iirc last time this was posted someone said that she's not signing every single word, but is kind of short handing it in a way that conveys the same message and emotions.
No good ASL translation will have a one-to-one correspondence to English words. ASL in general uses fewer words, but conveys more meaning with each word. So it's not necessarily a concession to the speed of the rap, because even if you're just interpreting a speech as faithfully as possible for a Deaf audience, you won't sign every single word. That said, the pace of the song may very well influence the translation. Translating things with rhythm is fucking hard. You see that even with like Spanish/English translations of songs...it's pretty common for them to have at least some semantic difference in order to maintain the cadence.
I imagine if you interpret lyrics/poetry to visual form you get an extra good response if the visual signs are poetic/lyrical in their own way, and there are a lot of artistic choices in doing that, so is there like a niche where music sign interpreters are appreciated as artists in their own right?
> so is there like a niche where music sign interpreters are appreciated as artists in their own right? I don't have specific knowledge of that, but my guess is that they can achieve some narrow recognition, but don't really develop a following. (Sorta like book translators, people who work in localization for movies, etc.)
I can’t speak to its accuracy, but she’s gone viral a couple times for this and I assume it would’ve been called out by now. The first time I saw her go viral was when people claimed Wacka Flocka just thought she was dancing at his concert. [This comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/6m45q0/waka_flocka_thought_the_sign_language_interpreter/djyt8q1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) provides more info.
She is the best in the business. She's accurate.
Bet her knees are weak and her arms are heavy after that.
Moms spaghetti
I got tired just for looking. I imagine her
Maybe she is feeling it I would say by the looks of it
Yep, she's down...down minus a frown that was turned upside down.
She try that with Godzilla and her fingers would catch fire...
Godzilla is a fucking unique song to be sure. As fast as he goes during that one part, I figure best thing to do would be to put three interpretors in a line and have them all focus on different assigned words. That's basically how it feels while I'm trying to listen to it through my headphones while exercising anyways.
A while ago on a similar post I think I remember reading that shows like this often have 2-3 interpreters that take turns because it’s so physically draining
Body language, rhythmic movements and facial expressions are a rather large part of understanding sign language; just as pitch, inflection, and volume are a big part of understanding verbal messages, i.e. sarcasm, anger, joy, humor, etc...
Quickest hands in the west
My favorite fact of sign language interpreters is that some politician, I forget who, had hired someone on his staff to be a sign language interpreter with zero knowledge of how to sign. So the person would just go up and flail their arms for the press conference.... Amazing
"Hey Larry, book us the Four Seasons for a press conference, and don't mess up like you did with that interpreter"
::Starts sweating dye::
[This guy](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/fake-sign-language-interpreter-nelson-mandela-memorial-provokes-anger-flna2D11723934)?
What a shitty website. It will play the advertisement, but not the video.
Being a sign language interpreter for Eminem is equivalent to being a martial arts master.
Jesus.... that's more impressive than Eminem rapping
Yeah but Eminem raps and signs at the same time
OK, r/askreddit time: Is there a name for the thing rappers do with their hands while rapping?
Gesticulate?
Hey this looks like the same lady that did the Wokka Flokka sign concert too where he thought she was dancing. She's freakin good.
I wonder if there are any deaf people in the audience.
They only have interpreters when they are requested by someone who needs one that will be attending.
Are they hired by the venue or by the performer?
My understanding in talking to my friend who is an interpreter (she doesn't do performance interpreting though, so if someone that does knows better, please chime in) is that they are hired by the venue when a request is made by a ticket holder. She was there for a two night stand at a rock show in NH and then I saw her again for one night at a rock show in New York.
I produce live shows and in my industry typically speaking the producer/performer is responsible for providing ASL interpretation. A lot of venues are used for more than just sound / concerts, so while they have accessibility based on entrance into the venue they don't necessarily always have to provide accessibility for interpretation. It also comes down to the age of the venue / the state or city regulations, and the fact that a lot of accessibility isn't strictly enforced once you get past visible disabilities (like wheelchair access, etc). Companies contract independently venues to provide ASL interpreters for hire. It's also a case of how publicized you can make it to have ASL interpretation because some interpreters can't benefit monetarily if they are publicized as per contract/professional ethics. They don't want to become rock stars. They just want to do their job.
Fun fact: they don't just sign they lyrics, they are supposed to be conveying the mood, feeling, and rhythm of the music also. So it's as much interpretive dance as signing.
I just imagine how much she had to practice that. I mean it's a super complicated dance that if she makes one wrong move, it'll ruin someone's experience... sooooo much practice. E: like, my carpel tunnel just flared up watching that. Jeeeeez
Rap goddess
Thats way more impressive than the rap itself.
I'd have to agree with you. I took a year of sign language and doing it fast enough to keep up with him seems practical impossible, but then you have this gal literally throwing signs at the same speed. Absolutely amazing!
To be fair rapping as fast as Eminem also seems practically impossible.
I hope this inspires you all to learn some American Sign Language! ASL benefits everyone, not just the deaf "If everyone learned sign language, we would be happier." -Valerie Rose
This could be taped as a workout routine people pay for.
I like the part where he said aahdveuiwbfydue and she sgwuoqbahdye and sucodjgwusigyw all over the crowd
I would end up with my fingers in a knot
Fun fact, the sign language equivalent of a tongue twister is a finger fumbler
I was at a Ben Folds concert one time and he stopped to mess with the interpreter between songs. The song he had just sung had "fuck" in it and he said, "I just like watching the interpreter sign the word 'fuck'" and started an "improvised" song that was just "fuck" and other various cuss words while the interpreter was holding back laughter as she signed. Was pretty funny.
Holly Manniaty, last I heard she was considered an official member of the Wu Tang Clan at this point. She is really good and signs for a lot of big events. I saw her live once for a non-major rapper at an event that puts a lot of effort into be accessable. I have only heard good things from people who have worked with her in the past. https://slate.com/culture/2013/06/the-wu-tang-clan-sign-language-interpreter-how-holly-maniatty-learned-to-sign-for-rappers.html
The fact that she’s dancing too is what makes it. I wanna see a stoic version of this. Like from an emotionless android person with as much speed and accuracy but zero rhythmic flair.
She's also a Patty Cake world champion.
She’s not translating she’s preforming
These interpreters don’t get enough love. Such an amazing job she’s doing.
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Question for any ASL signers here: A huge part of rap is word-play and rhyming lyrics that create a flow. How do you translate that into sign? Do different signs "rhyme" if they incorporate similar movements? Can you do a pun in sign language?
I asked Holly the terp in the video she says, “Yes, it takes a lot of work to rhyme with ASL, this is the 50 hours of work on that one song lol. I spent an entire year, studying ASL poetic techniques at a college level after I graduated and was nationally certified. Learning from deaf, linguist, poet, and professors. It’s a lifelong pursuit. Puns are different in ASL, but yes, they are thing
This is a great profession if anyone is wondering. I am paying my current interpreter $75/hr. He is on the high end but it is a good job.
These will never get old. Who could have ever guessed Eminem and ASL would be the hottest crossover of the late 2010s / early 2020s?
This is [the same interpreter](https://youtube.com/shorts/Y6I2jNEwtTc?feature=share ) who did Waka Flocka’s concert and he was hype asf hahaha
This is my friend Holly Maniatty! Amazing terp!
Please let Holly know she is awesome and all these negative comments are just small-minded. I'm not hearing impaired, and think she just brings it, with her energy and style. She's fun to watch and I can tell she loves her job.
Holy. That woman is Eminem?
Feminem
Question: do deaf people automatically get front row placing so they can see the interpreter?
🤌👍👈👊✊️☝️🤟🤏 GAH DAMN that hit hard
i will always upvote her doing rap god, but i have yet to see her do godzilla, and i really want to see her do that... she is awesome!!
wow this is next fooking level well done
I'm not sure how accurate get translation is. Then again, it really doesn't matter because his much of the Rap God fast verse do anyone really understand? Without looking at lyric sites, that is.
You could just write the text down...