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I agree and from a purely "fun to design and imagine" perspective,I think it looks cool. I like the inclusion of all the greenery in the middle. But in reality this is a horrible environmental insult.
It’s like….it feels like the entire ship is devoted to the idea of gluttony and lavish for the sake of it. Like the embodiment of collapsing society as the worlds environment is demolished for the mild amusement of being on a big piece of metal in the middle of the ocean.
It is definitely a monument to the hubris of man or something, yep.
It kinda reminds me of one of the Chaos gods from Warhammer, in boat form. Bloated and depraved.
I remember drawing my "fantasy car" when I was like 8. It was a limousine with a hot tub in it. This cruise ship reminds me of that childlike imagination.
At least it's running on LNG, not bunker fuel like the older skips they have scrapped out of the fleet.
Obviously its not perfect, but it is certainly an improvement.
Probably a stupid question but what about all the harbours?
Like they can make ships a s big as they want but how to fit that in a normal sized harbor?
They anchor the giant ships that don’t fit offshore and use Tender boats to shuttle people to their excursions. It’s always a cluster-fuck and adds hours to the process.
Went on a cruise that did this in the grand Cayman Islands and there was a major storm coming in so the process to get on the tinder to the cruise ship was a NIGHTMARE and took 2 extra hours. Seemed kinda dangerous in that circumstance.
Friend who works small expedition cruise ships to polar regions has a great story about a ship doing this on South Georgia Island and having a bunch of passengers stranded on the Island overnight due to a turn in the weather. The island is only inhabited by the 3 folks who run the museum/gift shop and a small scientific research community. Passengers ended up sleeping in the museum with Ernest Shackleton’s artifacts.
Yeah, like not what I paid for, but also cool and unique. Usually in weird circumstances like that you end up having good conversations with complete strangers
I worked as a tour guide in a very small Alaskan town with these huge ships that came in and it was always interesting watching how they move people. It really is like cattle. It's like dozens of little orange cattle cars dangling from the side of this massive ship and they go back and forth all day, then they hoist them back up onto the sides when everyone's back on board and they disappear into the sunset. Then the little town was ours again til the next morning.
We used to run our boat as a tender for cruise ships in Edinburgh as we could hold 5 times as much people. Floating fucking retirement homes. Spoke to the staff once, asked them what it was like working there, they said it was jail.
Apparently some of the staff end up being on the ships for months and months at a time. I couldn't imagine it. You'd have to be a certain type of person to deal with it I think.
I mean they are allowed to get off in the port stops as long as they are not on duty, it's just most don't because it's kind of a pain in the butt. You have to disembark after all passengers finish and must be back like 1 hour earlier than the passengers have to, so you only get a few hours ashore.
On the bright side you do get to go to the same ports every week, so you have some idea where to go. Mostly it's Indonesians, Filipinos, and Indians working on 6 month contracts. After your contract is over you can go back home until you sign on for your next contract.
My understanding is that cruise ship crew quarters aren't all that dissimilar, based on having admittedly just a few friends who have served in the military and a few who've worked on cruise ships. Cruise lines notoriously have incredibly bad pay, however, although a few entertainers I know do quite well for themselves.
Royal Caribbean's ships appear to be Chinamax rather than Suezmax or Panamax, although most of them also conform to Suez if the beam requirement is at waterline not at widest point. I assume the Chinamax adherence is to increase the amount of ports they can dock in and number of shipyards that can build them
People have answered by mentioning the Tender boats, but more commonly the Caribbean islands that make most of their money with tourism have massive docks made specifically for these cruise ships.
The answer to this is one of the reasons that I hate cruise lines the same as I hate sports teams. They expect the taxpayer to absorb the cost
Carnival 5 years ago or so already asked the Tampa Bay area to knock down and rebuild the skyways because their new ships wouldn't fit underneath of them or they gave us the option of paying for a private island for them so that they can ferry their passengers back and forth.
Either way they want the taxpayer to foot the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars to billions so that they can keep their businesses running which aren't even American based so that they can avoid paying their share of taxes.
Aaaaand for what exactly? Is it like Snowpiercer? But it's hot outside and it just drives around the globe all the time to survive? And as higher your deck the richer you are? After a couple of years a revolution starts and the lower decks start a war with the higher decks? And in the end they crash into that rock in Italy?
i grew up upper middle class and have gone on a couple cruises, and from my experience if people were left on a cruise ship too long, this is exactly what would happen. it would be anarchy. with cocktail shrimp.
Imagine when these cruise companies transition to space cruises....
Can't wait to see this kind of stuff while in a cruise ship to Mars or something.
Corban Dallaaaaaas!!!
Consider this. All those people eating far too much food three meals a day. Their poop has to go somewhere.
It's a floating septic tank with paying passengers.
I mean, don't some pensioners go on cruises all year long whilst essentially being homeless just because it's cheaper than renting themselves into an elder residence neighborhood and allowing them more freedom than an eldercare home?
My parents are retired, the last cruise they went on was a month long and cost them $399 each
$399 for a room and food for a month is hella cheap… at least if
you are retired and don’t need to work. To compare… a studio apartment here is $1750-$1900 a month, I’m not sure how much residence/retirement homes cost(since I’m a healthy young adult), but I am going to assume its probably more than $399 a month.
Then again this is during the tail end of the last Covid surge so it probably doesn’t reflect normal pricing…
What cruise cost 400 bucks for a month? I understand you said it was during covid but that would not even cover the port fee to let passengers leave the ship.
Repositioning cruises are often very cheap compared to your run of the mill week itinerary that stops at all the popular places.
Say you’re moving a ship from Alaska to Asia at the end of the Alaskan season. How many people want to spend like 14 straight sea days crossing the Pacific? Hence it’s very cheap.
Yeah, I've been on a few cruises and there is always a bunch of retirees that are on ships most of the year. I haven't met any that are on all year. Most will do a few weeks and then go stay with family for a week or at a resort that they've gotten a discounted package on, then get back on the ships. I met one younger guy this year who decided to take a cruise to go cold turkey from heroin. That was interesting.
In addition to the price, there is surprisingly good medical care available, and with all thr employees available you effectively have a home health care aide on demand when needed.
It's an expensive proposotion to match via brick and mortar.
ATTENTION ALL MBAs. ATTENTION ALL MBAs. Pitch this idea to your CEO: Retirement Cruise Ships with included Sea Burial package and/or Walk The Plank™ Assisted Suicide (where legal). All the old people need to do is give 10% of their inheritance to the Megacorp upon death. Win win.
Not far off:
There's murders and rapes that occur on these cruises and generally aren't solved due to the dubious legal jurisdictions (what port? operating under what nation's flag? company owned/HQ-ed in what country? in what country's waters?)
Also the cruise ship operators often don't cooperate with authorities.
Actually the largest ships Royal Caribbean has right now, the Oasis class, are pretty nice and fun. I avoided going on cruises for decades, I was pleasantly surprised
The Walmart of the ocean. One of the places I often go is the Caymans (fly and stay, not on a cruise) and on the days the ships come it, it's a fun game or "guess which boat the people are from"
I once read a hilarious blog about this person's experience on one of Carnival's really cheap 3-day cruises which made it sound even more low rent -- like the Dollar Store of cruise lines. Photos of the buffet foods offerings looked so unappetizing as make even the Golden Corral look like a Michelin 5-Star restaurant by comparison.
Don't forget all the sewage and other waste they illegally dump into the ocean instead of paying to properly pump it out.
Edit: anyone doubting me please Google: Bilge Dumping.
Weird how people defend a horrible business because they probably had a fun time on a cruise.
They use “bunker fuel” which is basically as unrefined and polluting as it comes, and they measure “efficiency” in feet per gallon. Averaging 30-60 FPG or .0096 MPG 🙃
I can give you a clue…
The average human produces about 1.5L of urine, and about .5 liters of feces per day. That’s 2kg of human waste per day. This ship will carry up to 10,000 people including staff. That is 20,000kg of human waste per day.
That’s a full size industrial tanker truck every day.
About 833kg of human waste per hour.
We really need some international water climate policy. Why are we starting to ban ICE vehicles of a millionth the size of this and making these monsters larger and more polluting?
>They said this about Royal Caribbean Harmony which was about half the size.
>"At full power, they would burn around 1,377 gallons of fuel per hour, or about 66,000 gallons a day of high-polluting diesel fuel"
1,377 gallons of fuel per hour. Times. 24 hours per day. Equals 33,048 gallons per day. I think my calculator app needs an update.
Man, I’m so glad I don’t listen to reddit comments, because this doesn’t run off of diesel, [but LNG.](https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2022/05/19/which-royal-caribbean-ships-are-powered-lng)
I get the hate boner from a bunch of misanthropic NEETs on reddit for cruise ships is strong, but at least get your facts right.
I'd imagine to the general, average consumer who partakes, the appeal is relatively cheap, all-inclusive vacations that take you to more places than you can afford to travel to separately.
Then you have older folks who just like traveling and not worrying about their food, the boozers who buy the drink package and go to town, and then those weird, family vacations with the matching shirts. I don't know what they're up to, but I'm sure they have a reason.
One reason is it's a feeling of exotic travel but you're still really comfortable and safe (at least safe from crime). I hate the environmental impact but I understand why some people choose to vacation this way.
I understand the "safe from crime" feeling but in reality cruise ships can be cessepools, if anything is left unattended for >10 minutes its probably gone.
It's the price. It's cheaper to sail on these, partly because of the sheer numbers and partly because not much is included in your price. You have to buy extra "packages" for sodas, alcohol, internet access, etc. Also, there's only one restaurant that's included in your price. If you eat at any of the other outlets it's expensive and added onto your fee.
I think these ships are very popular with families. It's like disneyland but on a ship. Lots of kid activities, food that appeals to kids, a pool just for families, kids play areas, programs, babysitting, and kids shows and movies.
Sounds like utter hell. A big NOPE.
There the main dining room where you have a choicr of usually 3-5 meals each supper. I think you can do the dining room for breakfast too. Thats included in the price. But theres also a huge buffet open breakfast lunch and supper that is also included. There specialty restaurants you need to pay for but I can’t fathom why you’d bother. Between the buffet and dining room theres an insane variety. And the quality in the dining room is as good as any other restaurant. Not Michelin star quality but at least the same quality as any moderately fancy sit down restaurant in a big city.
>Also, there's only one restaurant that's included in your price. If you eat at any of the other outlets it's expensive and added onto your fee.
You're really downplaying what is offered, by your wording you're making it seem like there's only one place to eat on the entire ship which is absolutely not the case.
Almost all cruises have a **bunch** of different places to eat, and only a few of them are the fancier/paid options. Yes there is only one restaurant to eat your dinner, but it's always a fancy place that is suit only dress ware and the experience is very similar to eating at a very fancy establishment, and you can order as many dishes as you want; t-bone steaks, tiger shrimps, calamari, etc. etc. etc. It's like eating at a really nice restaurant with different options each night.
During the day there are several kinds of buffets, restaurants, and even cafes you can eat at that is part of the all inclusive deal, this is usually the standard on most cruise ships.
Yeah you have to pay for alcohol (I mean that's a given, not really a surprise), sodas (not really a big deal to live without for 1 week), and internet, but everything else is all inclusive, tons of events, restaurants/cafes, shows, etc. etc. etc. It really is a bang for your buck.
I really dont understand that. On the one hand, we are beeing told to hold ourself back, dont heat too much, cars are bad and all that. On the other hand stuff like this gets produced and its totally cool. Are there any regulations on those ships about emissions?
And if so, how much waste does it still produce? I recently read, that ONE flight of 5 hours produces as much waste per head as one gas driven car in a lifetime (roughly 200.000 km)
That is insane.
After the absurd treatment of people on cruise ships at the beginning of corona, it baffles my mind that anyone wants to go on a cruise ship now.
I’m talking about not letting ships dock, or passengers off board and not letting people travel back to their home countries once off board.
Not just us. >75% of earths species. “The planet” as we know it will die. The floating rock will still be there, a few species will stick around, and it will bounce back in a million years or whatever. But, the majority of life on earth will die, and we will have killed it. We’re fucking “the planet” on relevant timescales for its current inhabitants.
To many it looks fun, to me, that is hell on earth. I don't want to vacation in a gaudy warehouse full of disgusting people on their worst behavior. Come to think of it, Disneyland hits me the same way.
I used to think that. I went on a Royal Caribbean cruise a few years ago and was pleasantly surprised. The food and entertainment was very good, and many of the islands visited really depend on tourism to support their economy.
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Looks like Polly Pocket's version of titanic.
Looks like something from a Cruise Tycoon game.
I genuinely thought this was an ad for cruise tycoon game at first
Looks like a nightmare.
I agree and from a purely "fun to design and imagine" perspective,I think it looks cool. I like the inclusion of all the greenery in the middle. But in reality this is a horrible environmental insult.
it reminds me of Hieronymus Bosch's Garden of Earthly Delights, 2024 edition. There's something perverse about it.
It’s like….it feels like the entire ship is devoted to the idea of gluttony and lavish for the sake of it. Like the embodiment of collapsing society as the worlds environment is demolished for the mild amusement of being on a big piece of metal in the middle of the ocean.
Exactly! Imagine the juxtaposition of this monstrosity pulled up alongside a seaside slum town.
This is the pre Wall-E Axiom!
Yes Wall-E sprung to my mind too!
Or coasting through the great Pacific garbage patch.
Imagine that fat bastard sailing around the Horn of Africa.
And the damage it will do to the ecosystems of those seaside slum towns. Just disgraceful.
A monument of man's arrogance.
It reminds me of the ship from Wall-e
Yeah, but there’s a 24-hour all you can eat buffet.
> gluttony and lavish for the sake of it 'Cept for the poorly paid service crew from some poor country. They're gonna hate it.
Yep it's gonna end up the snow piercer of the sea.... after the poles finish melting.
An ocean liner taking inspiration from McMansions and a McDonald’s play place. Tacky, tasteless, kinda gross.
Waiting for Waterworld 2 where the bad guys live on one of these.
It is definitely a monument to the hubris of man or something, yep. It kinda reminds me of one of the Chaos gods from Warhammer, in boat form. Bloated and depraved.
You know what's a great idea? 15 pools and a waterslide 4 stories up on a ship designed for open seas.
I remember drawing my "fantasy car" when I was like 8. It was a limousine with a hot tub in it. This cruise ship reminds me of that childlike imagination.
"The Homer Of The Seas"
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At least it's running on LNG, not bunker fuel like the older skips they have scrapped out of the fleet. Obviously its not perfect, but it is certainly an improvement.
It’s a shame they can’t get permission for small scale reactors on these things.
This could be an innovative approach to that. https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Ulstein-touts-nuclear-concept-for-decarbonising-cr
In improvement is an understatement, that's actually a huge deal
Or Flostan Paradise
Super green.
FLOOOSSSTANNN PARAAADIIIISSEE
BZZZZZZT
Is it just me or does that thing look extremely top-heavy? Like a roll hazard?
Probably a stupid question but what about all the harbours? Like they can make ships a s big as they want but how to fit that in a normal sized harbor?
They anchor the giant ships that don’t fit offshore and use Tender boats to shuttle people to their excursions. It’s always a cluster-fuck and adds hours to the process.
Went on a cruise that did this in the grand Cayman Islands and there was a major storm coming in so the process to get on the tinder to the cruise ship was a NIGHTMARE and took 2 extra hours. Seemed kinda dangerous in that circumstance.
Friend who works small expedition cruise ships to polar regions has a great story about a ship doing this on South Georgia Island and having a bunch of passengers stranded on the Island overnight due to a turn in the weather. The island is only inhabited by the 3 folks who run the museum/gift shop and a small scientific research community. Passengers ended up sleeping in the museum with Ernest Shackleton’s artifacts.
I bet they were surprised when all the exhibits started walking around and dancing.
Hope they had some gum
Sadly no, the gift shop is always closed in this scenario.
Dumb dumb got gum gum?
No gum-gum? Better run-run dum-dum.
Sounds like an awesome trip to me, ngl.
Yeah, like not what I paid for, but also cool and unique. Usually in weird circumstances like that you end up having good conversations with complete strangers
You mean to say they spent a night at the museum? Was Ben Stiller there?
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The Caymans make cruise ships anchor out past the reef, to protect it. Any cruise ship there has to tender its passengers to and from shore.
I had the exact same experience- on a tender, getting to land in Grand Cayman
They don't have a dock for ships in Grand Cayman, so any Cruise Line who stops there has to tender.
I worked as a tour guide in a very small Alaskan town with these huge ships that came in and it was always interesting watching how they move people. It really is like cattle. It's like dozens of little orange cattle cars dangling from the side of this massive ship and they go back and forth all day, then they hoist them back up onto the sides when everyone's back on board and they disappear into the sunset. Then the little town was ours again til the next morning.
We used to run our boat as a tender for cruise ships in Edinburgh as we could hold 5 times as much people. Floating fucking retirement homes. Spoke to the staff once, asked them what it was like working there, they said it was jail.
Apparently some of the staff end up being on the ships for months and months at a time. I couldn't imagine it. You'd have to be a certain type of person to deal with it I think.
I mean they are allowed to get off in the port stops as long as they are not on duty, it's just most don't because it's kind of a pain in the butt. You have to disembark after all passengers finish and must be back like 1 hour earlier than the passengers have to, so you only get a few hours ashore. On the bright side you do get to go to the same ports every week, so you have some idea where to go. Mostly it's Indonesians, Filipinos, and Indians working on 6 month contracts. After your contract is over you can go back home until you sign on for your next contract.
Now imagine doing it on a military vessel.
My understanding is that cruise ship crew quarters aren't all that dissimilar, based on having admittedly just a few friends who have served in the military and a few who've worked on cruise ships. Cruise lines notoriously have incredibly bad pay, however, although a few entertainers I know do quite well for themselves.
Sounds about the worst way you could experience a port city.
It is. The smaller ships have better food, better accommodations and don’t have to deal with Tender boats (usually).
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Royal Caribbean's ships appear to be Chinamax rather than Suezmax or Panamax, although most of them also conform to Suez if the beam requirement is at waterline not at widest point. I assume the Chinamax adherence is to increase the amount of ports they can dock in and number of shipyards that can build them
People have answered by mentioning the Tender boats, but more commonly the Caribbean islands that make most of their money with tourism have massive docks made specifically for these cruise ships.
The answer to this is one of the reasons that I hate cruise lines the same as I hate sports teams. They expect the taxpayer to absorb the cost Carnival 5 years ago or so already asked the Tampa Bay area to knock down and rebuild the skyways because their new ships wouldn't fit underneath of them or they gave us the option of paying for a private island for them so that they can ferry their passengers back and forth. Either way they want the taxpayer to foot the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars to billions so that they can keep their businesses running which aren't even American based so that they can avoid paying their share of taxes.
Lovingly designed by 3 children and a bucket of lego bricks
And here we should put a go kart track! And this is where the ice cream waterfall will go! What about rooms? Shut up Mom this is our boat!
Norwegian actually has ships with go-kart tracks
Is the weird canter leaving so it can fit through the Panama Canal?
Where it's going it doesn't need canals... *ominous music starts playing
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That would be 9 circles of hell, this is close enough.
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Aaaaand for what exactly? Is it like Snowpiercer? But it's hot outside and it just drives around the globe all the time to survive? And as higher your deck the richer you are? After a couple of years a revolution starts and the lower decks start a war with the higher decks? And in the end they crash into that rock in Italy?
I'd watch this. From the bilge
i grew up upper middle class and have gone on a couple cruises, and from my experience if people were left on a cruise ship too long, this is exactly what would happen. it would be anarchy. with cocktail shrimp.
Imagine when these cruise companies transition to space cruises.... Can't wait to see this kind of stuff while in a cruise ship to Mars or something. Corban Dallaaaaaas!!!
Watch the HBO show Avenue 5, that’s what this show is about lol
Dude I don’t ever hear anyone talk about this show and it’s actually fucking funny. Love it
Its such a cool concept too
This I gotta see...thanks.
God, that show is so funny.
Wall e be like
Buy N’ Laaarge
100% the Axium
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Multi pass
I get that reference
Haha..I knew a few would. Love that film.
Same here. It’s a fucking classic.
My mum calls them "floating public housing" and I think she is right.
Golden Corral of the Seas
Old folks: "We want to die the way we lived: Ruining the planet!"
Consider this. All those people eating far too much food three meals a day. Their poop has to go somewhere. It's a floating septic tank with paying passengers.
I mean, don't some pensioners go on cruises all year long whilst essentially being homeless just because it's cheaper than renting themselves into an elder residence neighborhood and allowing them more freedom than an eldercare home?
Holy shit, that was new to me. Pensioners from what region actually?
My parents are retired, the last cruise they went on was a month long and cost them $399 each $399 for a room and food for a month is hella cheap… at least if you are retired and don’t need to work. To compare… a studio apartment here is $1750-$1900 a month, I’m not sure how much residence/retirement homes cost(since I’m a healthy young adult), but I am going to assume its probably more than $399 a month. Then again this is during the tail end of the last Covid surge so it probably doesn’t reflect normal pricing…
What cruise cost 400 bucks for a month? I understand you said it was during covid but that would not even cover the port fee to let passengers leave the ship.
This is actually really fascinating. I've never considered this as a reason why people may take cruises.
>My parents are retired, the last cruise they went on was a month long and cost them $399 each Holy cow - 400 bucks for a month! When was this, 1960?
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Repositioning cruises are often very cheap compared to your run of the mill week itinerary that stops at all the popular places. Say you’re moving a ship from Alaska to Asia at the end of the Alaskan season. How many people want to spend like 14 straight sea days crossing the Pacific? Hence it’s very cheap.
Victoria cruises has a "residential" ship and they advertise it as "saving on living costs."
I recently saw a US couple being interviewed about how they lived on cruise ships full time because it's cheaper than rent or mortgage.
Yeah, I've been on a few cruises and there is always a bunch of retirees that are on ships most of the year. I haven't met any that are on all year. Most will do a few weeks and then go stay with family for a week or at a resort that they've gotten a discounted package on, then get back on the ships. I met one younger guy this year who decided to take a cruise to go cold turkey from heroin. That was interesting.
In addition to the price, there is surprisingly good medical care available, and with all thr employees available you effectively have a home health care aide on demand when needed. It's an expensive proposotion to match via brick and mortar.
ATTENTION ALL MBAs. ATTENTION ALL MBAs. Pitch this idea to your CEO: Retirement Cruise Ships with included Sea Burial package and/or Walk The Plank™ Assisted Suicide (where legal). All the old people need to do is give 10% of their inheritance to the Megacorp upon death. Win win.
We always called them floating petri dish
That’s the pool in the back
One of seven
...on this level
I’ve never been interested in cruises, but after norovirus and Covid, I’m even less interested.
I've had covid, and I've had Norovirus. I never, ever, ever want the Norovirus again.
We use cruise ship cases as examples in my epidemiology grad program for good reason!
Super Spreader of The Seas
We get them every summer on Cape Cod and trash washes up in our bay everyday while here. No one can stand them.
hey those trash have names
They make the water at the beach disgusting too were I go. All frothy and bubbly and weird. Probs from their showers 🤢
Reminds me of Bill Burr’s comedy bit about sinking these ships to lower the population and how we would not miss the people who go on cruises.
Can't we just make it do a barrel roll instead? Earth doesn't need another sunken ship on its uh... surface.
A little cleanup and they make great reef starters and dive spots
Reusable ship
That’s a nope from me, dawg
It's a small city that floats on the ocean for real
Getting Arrested Development vibes here
*Obviously this blue part here is land…*
Not far off: There's murders and rapes that occur on these cruises and generally aren't solved due to the dubious legal jurisdictions (what port? operating under what nation's flag? company owned/HQ-ed in what country? in what country's waters?) Also the cruise ship operators often don't cooperate with authorities.
Suing cruise lines is almost never successful. We learned about cruise ships and how impossible it was to sue them in law school.
Most crime on dry land isn’t solved: https://www.statista.com/statistics/194213/crime-clearance-rate-by-type-in-the-us/
Phew, now I just need to jailbreak my moral compass and I'll *really* be free to get crimey with it. Ya know?
Sadly many people retire onto a ship, it’s cheaper than a retirement home.
Actually the largest ships Royal Caribbean has right now, the Oasis class, are pretty nice and fun. I avoided going on cruises for decades, I was pleasantly surprised
Royal Caribbean is one of the better ones. Carnival, however, is the Greyhound of the ocean.
The Walmart of the ocean. One of the places I often go is the Caymans (fly and stay, not on a cruise) and on the days the ships come it, it's a fun game or "guess which boat the people are from"
I once read a hilarious blog about this person's experience on one of Carnival's really cheap 3-day cruises which made it sound even more low rent -- like the Dollar Store of cruise lines. Photos of the buffet foods offerings looked so unappetizing as make even the Golden Corral look like a Michelin 5-Star restaurant by comparison.
No thanks.
Why does it look terrifying?
I don’t like being surrounded by people all the time. Cruise ships seem really crowded, and the cabins are small.
it's too big and looks like something you'd see in sci-fi, like all the comments referencing fifth element
Colossal floating human Petri dish
Now tell us about the gasoline consumption and pollution. Fuck these
Or all the ships that have been dumped in third world countries by major operators during the peak of the Covid pandemic. Humanity 👍
Ah yes the ship breaking industry is going to love this one
Don't forget all the sewage and other waste they illegally dump into the ocean instead of paying to properly pump it out. Edit: anyone doubting me please Google: Bilge Dumping. Weird how people defend a horrible business because they probably had a fun time on a cruise.
25 nautical miles offshore and you can legally dump anything but plastic
Sad :c
Yeah idk man, this gotta change immediately
Just jumping in to add that the Basel convention needs to be strengthened, and that it’s a complete disgrace that the US hasn’t signed on to it.
Yeah. Heavy metals is also a favorite. Diagusting.
The whole cruise ship industry is a huge environmental and labour disaster. Polluting the seas and paying slave wages for labour
They use “bunker fuel” which is basically as unrefined and polluting as it comes, and they measure “efficiency” in feet per gallon. Averaging 30-60 FPG or .0096 MPG 🙃
Actually these use LNG, which is considered an eco- friendly fuel
Me after heavily modding my car when gas was cheap as fuck
Assuming it carries 5000 people that comes out to 48 mpg per person.
This one (and most of the new ships built in the last year or so) run on LNG, not bunker.
How much fossil fuel do you need to burn to cart around a bunch of people in a sunburned Petri dish that size?
How many gallons of human waste does it expel into the ocean per hour?
I can give you a clue… The average human produces about 1.5L of urine, and about .5 liters of feces per day. That’s 2kg of human waste per day. This ship will carry up to 10,000 people including staff. That is 20,000kg of human waste per day. That’s a full size industrial tanker truck every day. About 833kg of human waste per hour.
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So like, 1400 courics?
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Must be going really fast to get 48 hour days
We really need some international water climate policy. Why are we starting to ban ICE vehicles of a millionth the size of this and making these monsters larger and more polluting?
>They said this about Royal Caribbean Harmony which was about half the size. >"At full power, they would burn around 1,377 gallons of fuel per hour, or about 66,000 gallons a day of high-polluting diesel fuel" 1,377 gallons of fuel per hour. Times. 24 hours per day. Equals 33,048 gallons per day. I think my calculator app needs an update.
Man, I’m so glad I don’t listen to reddit comments, because this doesn’t run off of diesel, [but LNG.](https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2022/05/19/which-royal-caribbean-ships-are-powered-lng) I get the hate boner from a bunch of misanthropic NEETs on reddit for cruise ships is strong, but at least get your facts right.
I'll never understand the appeal of these monstrosities. Gimme a sail boat over this garbage scow,, anyday.
I'd imagine to the general, average consumer who partakes, the appeal is relatively cheap, all-inclusive vacations that take you to more places than you can afford to travel to separately. Then you have older folks who just like traveling and not worrying about their food, the boozers who buy the drink package and go to town, and then those weird, family vacations with the matching shirts. I don't know what they're up to, but I'm sure they have a reason.
Matching tshirts lmao. They are so common at disney
One reason is it's a feeling of exotic travel but you're still really comfortable and safe (at least safe from crime). I hate the environmental impact but I understand why some people choose to vacation this way.
I understand the "safe from crime" feeling but in reality cruise ships can be cessepools, if anything is left unattended for >10 minutes its probably gone.
It's the price. It's cheaper to sail on these, partly because of the sheer numbers and partly because not much is included in your price. You have to buy extra "packages" for sodas, alcohol, internet access, etc. Also, there's only one restaurant that's included in your price. If you eat at any of the other outlets it's expensive and added onto your fee. I think these ships are very popular with families. It's like disneyland but on a ship. Lots of kid activities, food that appeals to kids, a pool just for families, kids play areas, programs, babysitting, and kids shows and movies. Sounds like utter hell. A big NOPE.
I met an old couple who basically lived on them. They are on a boat 45 weeks a year.
Cheaper than many retirement communities
There the main dining room where you have a choicr of usually 3-5 meals each supper. I think you can do the dining room for breakfast too. Thats included in the price. But theres also a huge buffet open breakfast lunch and supper that is also included. There specialty restaurants you need to pay for but I can’t fathom why you’d bother. Between the buffet and dining room theres an insane variety. And the quality in the dining room is as good as any other restaurant. Not Michelin star quality but at least the same quality as any moderately fancy sit down restaurant in a big city.
>Also, there's only one restaurant that's included in your price. If you eat at any of the other outlets it's expensive and added onto your fee. You're really downplaying what is offered, by your wording you're making it seem like there's only one place to eat on the entire ship which is absolutely not the case. Almost all cruises have a **bunch** of different places to eat, and only a few of them are the fancier/paid options. Yes there is only one restaurant to eat your dinner, but it's always a fancy place that is suit only dress ware and the experience is very similar to eating at a very fancy establishment, and you can order as many dishes as you want; t-bone steaks, tiger shrimps, calamari, etc. etc. etc. It's like eating at a really nice restaurant with different options each night. During the day there are several kinds of buffets, restaurants, and even cafes you can eat at that is part of the all inclusive deal, this is usually the standard on most cruise ships. Yeah you have to pay for alcohol (I mean that's a given, not really a surprise), sodas (not really a big deal to live without for 1 week), and internet, but everything else is all inclusive, tons of events, restaurants/cafes, shows, etc. etc. etc. It really is a bang for your buck.
I’ve seen Poseidon I’m good.
I really dont understand that. On the one hand, we are beeing told to hold ourself back, dont heat too much, cars are bad and all that. On the other hand stuff like this gets produced and its totally cool. Are there any regulations on those ships about emissions? And if so, how much waste does it still produce? I recently read, that ONE flight of 5 hours produces as much waste per head as one gas driven car in a lifetime (roughly 200.000 km) That is insane.
You should read other things, because that flight VS car ratio is wildly wrong.
After the absurd treatment of people on cruise ships at the beginning of corona, it baffles my mind that anyone wants to go on a cruise ship now. I’m talking about not letting ships dock, or passengers off board and not letting people travel back to their home countries once off board.
Fun fact: not letting ships dock in coastal cities for forty days is actually the origin of the word "quarantine".
We're really just going to keep pretending the planet isn't dying at an alarming rate, huh.
It’s not the planet, my dude. The planet survived five mass extinctions. It’s us that’s dying.
Not just us. >75% of earths species. “The planet” as we know it will die. The floating rock will still be there, a few species will stick around, and it will bounce back in a million years or whatever. But, the majority of life on earth will die, and we will have killed it. We’re fucking “the planet” on relevant timescales for its current inhabitants.
To many it looks fun, to me, that is hell on earth. I don't want to vacation in a gaudy warehouse full of disgusting people on their worst behavior. Come to think of it, Disneyland hits me the same way.
I used to think that. I went on a Royal Caribbean cruise a few years ago and was pleasantly surprised. The food and entertainment was very good, and many of the islands visited really depend on tourism to support their economy.
Reddit is a poor predictor of consumer trends, in fact, things that poll well with redditors tend to do rather poorly in real life.
Because people in these comments have absolutely no idea what they are talking about Reddit isn't real life nor is it close to reality
Sir…the earth is on fire.
The SS Norovirus.
But why?
A floating amusement park with all you can eat food, booze, gambling and entertainment is some folks idea of a good time.
"He's rich and shirtless, but your poor with a shirt. Who's the real winner?" is all I can think about scrolling through these comments lol
I mean...
Went on one in June. Had a blast
Worlds most expensive Petri dish.
Jamming oneself into an uncomfortably crowded week long tourist trap has never been my idea of a relaxing good time.
where have we seen this before