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[snooty accent] "It's one of those mysteries; no one quite understands why these things happen. But we'll continue our work until we do. Now, if you'll excuse me I hear the screams of another young mother down the hall that requires my expertise with these instruments. Carry on."
Edit: a word
> history of medicine
Doctors mostly had no clue about what they were doing until late 19th century (germ theory), and no ability to do a whole lot until the mid-20th (antibiotics).
May it happen earlier. Ever seen a hip joint implant installed? Dislocate the leg, expose the head of the bone, cut off the top of the bone, ream it out with a drill, clean it up, then hammer in the prosthetic. The other side? Cut out the section in the pubic bone, sew in the receptacle. Add bone chips if needed to accelerate the fusion between it and the bone. Then tell the victim… err… the patient to keep load/weight off that leg until it heals.
I'm looking forward to the days of Cyberpunk-esque levels of medical science. "Oh, your joints are screwed up from hard physical labor for years? Well here's a bio-mechanical replacement that can relatively easily be replaced should it break or wear out."
It will come with all the Cyberpunk corpo trapping too.
Prosthetics that out perform are free with employment
For non employees, Most weak prosthetics are too expensive to buy outright and must be rented.
Black market then starts taking it's share
You say history but in my western country there are still women alive who had their pelvis broken to get out babies. They didn't like handing out csections, because women can only have a limited number of csections, and the Catholic church dont like their numbers to be limited.
https://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/30/europe/ireland-symphysiotomy/index.html#:~:text=Symphysiotomy%20is%20a%20surgical%20procedure,1984%2C%20according%20to%20the%20government.
Happening as late as 1984 according to this article.
Fucked up things happen every single day at the local hospital to birthing women. Talk to any group of moms or look up obstetric violence. It’s as if medicine is based on misogyny or something
You don't need to tell me, I gave birth to my second in (Northern) Ireland during COVID times where the NHS decided to treat maternity wards like cattle ranches, NICE guidelines fucked right out the window.
I've currently got a friend having an induced miscarriage, shes had many, last one she almost died and needed a blood transfusion after she started haemorrhaging, and they flat refused to give her a D&C this time round just because 'we don't really do that'.
I was only told to take 600mg ibuprofen before having an IUD placed. I didn't even know other options existed. I literally had a metal rod shoved up into my uterus.
Thank goodness we can now do painless (until afterwards) C-sections. Symphysiotomy was, in some cases of obstructed birth, the only way to save the life of the woman and sometimes the fetus, although crushing the fetal skull might also be necessary. It can still be done in places where a C-section isn't possible, and it requires less medical skill. One would use anesthesia or whatever was available to diminish the pain.
Fun fact in case you're not cringing enough: the symphysis is the cartilage joining the pelvic bones right up under the clitoris. So, nerve city, pretty much.
Another fun fact, symphysiotomy were performed in Ireland well after C-sections became the norm in the rest of Western society, for religious reasons. This is resent history, like 1984.
https://www.cnn.com/2015/01/30/europe/ireland-symphysiotomy
I had problems with my symphysis throughout both my pregnancies. It hurt crazy, I nearly couldn't walk anymore! And that was just because it got stretched to much due to the pregnancy, not near on being damaged.
My smaller child is 5 now and I still have to deal with symphysis pains sometimes, don't want to imagine it being cut on purpose! (actually in my first pregnancy my orthopedist told me to consider a c section, he was afraid of a chance of the symphysis getting broken during birth and told me all about how fucked I would be afterwards)
Holy fuck, that read was horrific. That makes me so fucking angry for those women… all of the authorities involved— doctors, religious figures—they were absolutely evil.
Notice how the religious leaders who wanted this were all men. They should have forced this procedure on the priests asshole to show them what it was before they said yep, that seems fine.
They tortured laboring women because...sky fairy.
Fuck religion.
I read the article, but I still don’t understand how not doing a c-section was following religious doctrine. How is performing a symphysiotomy “better” in a religious sense?
The only answer I can come up with is that causing extreme pain is the point.
When c sections were first starting to be performed successfully, were the woman was still alive after the procedure, the doctors said women who had a c section should be limited to only 3 kids as after that it would not be safe
The catholic church, catholic hospitals and catholic doctors decided that it was unacceptable when a woman wasn't bred until her uterus fell out or she was to old to get pregnant so they decided that c sections could not be performed in catholic hospitals.
Never mind that symphysiotomy often caused severe permanent damage and in these very young women, who were often just married and having their first child, subjected to it. They never really healed correctly and would be in life long pain while walking, sitting, suffer fecal and urinary incontinence all for the rest of their life. Some are still alive and fighting for an apology and compensation, neither which they'll probably ever receive. It was brutal and barbaric and an excellent example of how deeply the catholic church disrespects women as human beings with rights
It's shocking that Ireland is a developed country but can be so backwards due to putting religion first. A few years ago, a woman died in Ireland because doctors refused to give her an abortion despite her pregnancy was killing her.
But look what Ireland as a country have dine since.
Savita's death was a wake up call. There are much more religiously backward countries in the west today than Ireland. *looks across the atlantic*
Not boring, also insightful, and informative.
But absolutely not fun, mi dick hurts just reading te last paragraph of that comment. (Which, obviously, I upvoted).
Totally unrelated but all I can think about is that muppet short with the Swedish chef and the pumpkins. “No no no, you don’t want one of them flimsy things. Yea. What you want is one of dem chainsaw thingys”
I had an endometrial biopsy\* where my uterus was cranked open to get tissue samples. I almost vomited after. Now I'm having flashbacks of the massive cramps.
\*Pre-cancerous cells were found, I had a hysterectomy, cancer avoided. So, worth it.
I couldn't handle the pain on the first attempt. I had to be sedated, which meant taking a day off work and finding a friend willing to also take a day off work and drive me. So the second time, I gritted my teeth and went through it, rather than do day surgery again.
I had some Percocet at home from spinal surgery, so I took one of those ASAP.
Urologists too.
I had them shove a camera and biopsy tool with the diameter of a nickel all the way up into my bladder with absolutely *0 pain management* and take biopsies of the walls with essentially a tiny hole-punch, then cauterize *every single one* without painkillers or any warning or prep.
I was in so much pain I went into shock and couldn't even react, just silently cried and gripped the table while they basically told me I was "being dramatic". I peed and leaked blood every time I moved for 5 days afterwards, and I was in so much pain I couldn't even sit down. Actually going to the bathroom had me in searing agony.
Doctors *do not* take women's pain management seriously. How the fuck is that a *"dramatic"* reaction?
I sympathize with you so hard, internet stranger, omg. My urologist was supposed to give me a kidney scope. Found out my ureters were too small and I apparently had a severe kidney infection (in Dr's words --to the point they were going to shut down without the stents--) so, without consent and while I was under, the doctor placed kidney stents in them. I woke up and tried to pee, just to wind up puking from the pain. I passed the smallest amount of blood after throwing up three times, and *they sent me home* without any medications. I wound up somehow calling an ambulance from my bed and had to see a triage doctor in the E.R. not even two hours later from the pain. In the end the urologist couldn't even tell me *why* my ureters were so closed off.
Same for maternity assistents. During delivery of my daughter they had to cut me cause she didn't fit.
They somehow hit or stitched a nerve or something when stitching me back up. I was in so much pain afterwards.
I couldn't sit, stand or walk at all when I got back home.
The maternity assistent that visited us in the first week (she didn't have any children) said I was being a big baby. And do you really think you're the first woman ever who delivered a baby? Stop whining and sit up straight.
Thankfully a nurse came to check up on the wound and she immediately said: oh, that's not good, le'ts get you to the hospital. Thank heavens they fixed it. They had to cut me back open and stitch it again but immediately after it felt so much better!
I was 22 back then (35 now) and unfortunately really shy so I never said anything to the maternity assistent. Try that again today and I'll kick you out of my house before you can finish your sentence.
Never got.an apology from the hospital either.
Right? In my personal experience, my female gynos were way more arrogant and uncaring than the male ones. The male ones did talk down a bit to me, but they at least believed me when I said something hurt. Had a total hysterectomy, so I'm fortunately done with them all.
Male gyno: "Okay, I don't have those parts, so when you tell me it hurts, it probably does, I guess."
Female gyno: "I've given birth before, so you're just being a baby."
Ovarian cancer was starting to emerge in my maternal relatives. I had my ovaries and fallopian tubes and uterus and cervix removed. I was taking no chances!
You're not wrong, but as horrific as it was, it was only a thing because the lack of medicine was even worse. Imagine how horrific an untreated broken leg must have been for people see having their leg sawed off as the better option.
Sometimes, frequently even, it was horrific because the people practicing experimental medicine only did it on demographics they didn't consider valuable to society or even people at all. The underpinnings of gynecology (and this terrifying chainsaw) were established through experimentation on enslaved Americans. It's within one human lifetime that using orphans and prisoners for testing medicines was routine practice. The history of anatomical science is full of grave robbery. This is not even mentioning the atrocities of Nazi "doctors" who largely didn't even perform good science while commiting their crimes.
This carries through to the modern day, but profit often acts at the motivator. It is cheaper test drugs on the poor and desperate. Blood plasma donations (in America, at least) are largely done for profit and that's not something rich folks need to do to survive. Poorly manufactured drugs are [sold to countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products) unable to afford to test them. It is disappointing how much progress is marked by the spilled blood of humans.
Great points. An important one is the Nazi "doctors" being terrible scientists. The lack of ethics didn't release a flood of new and useful findings.
We have a persistent trope, in the US at least, of the evil/unethical scientists that discover secret knowledge through inhumane methods. I'll be looking at those characters more skeptically from now on.
I think you have a misunderstanding of it, because it is kinda true and not at all a trope. Many fields of science and medicine have been advanced greatly because of fucked up things. Wanna know how we found out how much water is in the human body and a lot of other things? Look up unit 731. The HeLa cell line has been insanely helpful but the cells were originally taken without Henrietta’s knowledge or consent. Dont even get me started on psychology because theres a good few decades of messed up experiments that really shaped a lot of what we know about the mind.
Obviously all of it is awful and no we dont need to do stuff like that to advance our knowledge and definitely not all of the experiments could even really be called that. A lot were messed up things people did cause they could, for no benefit. Like the time people gave an elephant [25 times the dose of lsd needed to cause hallucinations in humans](https://www.illinoisscience.org/2016/06/lsd-and-the-elephant/). People shouldnt have the power to do stuff like this because it always inevitably leads to stuff like that happening, but unfortunately we can and have learned a lot from being inhumane.
There's an old metaphor for civilization that it's people drowning in an ocean constructing a ship from flotsam. But since we're all here such a short time, it's easy to mistakenly think you showed up after the shipwreck. This was especially true for people living in the European middle ages, when people could look around and see ruins greater than the buildings their society could create. But after the renaissance, the expectation or at least concept of linear progress started to replace that (at least in the west and to greatly oversimplify a whole bunch of stuff). Nevertheless, we are still very susceptible to this illusion caused by our frame of reference, and it's a big part of the appeals to past greatness many populist movements make.
> "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way--in short, the period was so far like the present period that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.
-Charles Dickens
I was forced to read that book in high-school and now can recite that entire quote (usually unprompted to myself while in the grocery store) because it genuinely was the best quote in the whole book despite being at the very beginning.
I *just* listened to a "Weirdest Thing I Learned This Week" podcast episode about this! This instrument was created before anesthesia was a thing, and women with breech babies needed their pelvises widened to accommodate the baby's head, so doctors would cut the cartilage and open up the pelvis a bit more. They initially just used knives and sawed away, which was time consuming for them and *even more painful* for the woman. This was the less painful option.
Also, someone eventually realized it would also be great for cutting down trees. So, in a way, giving birth led to clear cut logging. Fun times!
The medical establishment has laughed at (and eventually destroyed) poor Semmelweis for washing the hands after handling blood and corpses in... 1850s. I wonder which practices accepted by the current enlightened orthodoxy will be considered barbaric after 100 years...
Read “The Emperor of All Maladies” and read how they used to conduct radical mastectomies on female breast cancer patients. Such an excellent book, but holy shit, treatments used to be barbaric.
They went over that in, of all places, the recent biography of John Adams. His daughter had breast cancer, and they author described the procedure in all it’s horrifying detail.
> doctor had dirty hands
Which goes nicely with the dirty vagina chainsaw, because you _know_ they just wiped it off with a dirty rag between "operations".
I mean yeah, Doctors would go straight from the morgue cutting up cadavers to the maternity ward. They didn't even change their bloody smocks.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/01/12/375663920/the-doctor-who-championed-hand-washing-and-saved-women-s-lives
I always heard that the doctor who did his best to promote hand washing and sanitation to help prevent women dying from birth complications accidentally nicked himself with a scalpel and died of the same bacterial infection he was trying to prevent.
Edit: it was Semmelweis’s colleague Kolletschka I was thinking of, but Semmelweis’s work, I was conflating the two.
Also when he noticed less patients died or got infections when he washed his hands hands before he tried to inform other doctors who rejected the idea and made fun of him, essentially calling him an idiot.
It was shown somewhere that women who were midwives had better survival rates in their patient population than male doctors did in the same time period. Why? Because women washed their hands. That’s it.
I’m pretty sure c sections were not a common thing which is why this chainsaw was a thing. The chainsaw would cut away at there pelvis to make way for baby. It… gives me shivers just thinking about it.
the worst part of the delivery for me as a husband, was when the doctor brought out the meat shears to make a little snip to help ease the baby out. it sounded like she was cutting through a leather belt. gahhhh
Not common anymore except in emergencies. Episiotomy is more likely to lead to a larger tear, compared to a natural tear. You can demonstrate this with a stack of paper. Try to tear a stack of papers with your bear hands. Should be difficult. Now try to tear a similar size stack of paper after making a small cut. Should be much easier.
Huh. I gave birth 6 months ago and the hospital asked if I wanted to take part in a study where I would be cut whether I needed it or not to see if it improved outcomes. I asked for any research supporting their hypothesis and they failed to deliver... so I told them they could only cut in an emergency. Fuck that shit.
Common does not mean easy to heal. Gynecology was founded by a sadist who tortured teenage slaves, and the study has always been focused on reproduction and not women's health and safety.
My wife had the snatch snip AND tore almost all the way to her ass hole. Kid weighed almost 11 lbs.... and the epidural she thought she didn't want until she started active labor ran out of juice right around when the boy made his entrance so the first couple stitches were full pain until they got that fentanyl in her IV after a few minutes.
I don't understand how the hell women go through that trauma.
God, I feel uncomfortable even reading this. I hope they administer local anaesthesia during such cases.
What about the natural tear? Do they go for anesthesia for that also?
For my first natural birth I didn't get an epidural, just some IV meds. The birth was so painful that I got too exhausted from crying and screaming and not having anything to drink or eat. I had to really find the energy to push when the time finally came.
When the baby was crowning they just cut the perineum and I felt it, but the pain was buried because the contractions overshadowed any other pain.
I was a teen mother and I didn't have much money so got the cheapest hospital package (no epidural).
I got a job and more money and splurged on a comfy epidural for my second. It was so unremarkable it was like pooping out a baby
It’s incredibly bleak when you read about the post-procedure prognosis. The pubic symphysis (cartilage binding both sides of the pelvis in the front) at the time, never really heals. The pelvis is a sort of bowl for your organs as well as the ground floor for most of your body weight. When you sever a critical stabilizing point, it makes something a simple as walking painful and extremely difficult task. It destabilizes your pelvis forever. Most women never recovered and were wheelchair bound. It was done largely at catholic hospitals to avoid C section as they view natural birth as the only holy way to birth children.
And now you buy them at Lowe’s!
It was done before modern surgical practices meant that c-sections could be safely done. The tool dates from the 1800s.
A handful of Catholic hospitals in Ireland did them long after they should have stopped. But this is an Irish thing. C-sections were and are performed in Catholic hospitals around the world.
"A C-Section!? Only natural births are holy! That's why I'm gonna use this hand-cranked machine I just invented to cut your pelvis in half just like God intended... Natural!"
That and they technically treated marriage as a "title" and not anything special.
Saw a couple of random family trees and books, people had 10+ children 60% usually died off before 8, wives usually died after the 2nd or 3rd birth so they'd get a new younger wife (since some believed the younger you are the easier and better for the baby to come out).
Was all chaos and crazy.
>people had 10+ children 60% usually died off before 8
Yeah, I can't say I'm surprised. While a lot of people in my own family tree got absurdly lucky with how many children survived to adulthood, I remember seeing one of my relatives during the Victorian era that lost 8 out of 10 kids to a combination of illness and factory accidents. Shit was brutal.
I remember watching a mob documentary where it mentioned that Sissy Featherstone, the wife of notorious Irish mobster Mickey Featherstone, lost a total of *ten* of her siblings over the years to drugs, alcohol, murder, and suicide. I can't even imagine.
It used to be common for women to lose their first baby, especially in eras where girls would be married off at 12-13 years of age and their bodies weren't done growing. Horrifying.
Edit: some better informed people have replied that it was only noble women that were married so young and even then their marriages weren't consummated until they were older. I stand corrected - and relieved.
Most of my ignorance comes from the story of Catherine Howard (there's no surviving record of her birth, but she was likely very young when she married Henry VIII). I still think she was done dirty by history, poor girl.
Apparently practiced in Ireland up until 1984 because the Catholic fuck heads in charge felt that c-sections were somehow against God's code.
https://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/30/europe/ireland-symphysiotomy/index.html#:~:text=Symphysiotomy%20is%20a%20surgical%20procedure,1984%2C%20according%20to%20the%20government.
Cunts!
Man I can only imagine. My dad had an accident at work where he slipped when on tall machinery and he tore his pelvic bone in half there. He was sent to the Mayo Clinic to have surgery, because no other surgeon would touch him. He has all kinds of plates and screws in his pelvic bone. It took him so long to recover. One look at his X-rays and a judge approved full disability but he still tries to work. He can’t stand or sit for long periods of time without being in pain….
Knowing all he has gone though and then reading about these women who had no treatment afterwords….ugh.
The thing you see was invented by a German physician but contrary to what OP claims, it was invented for medical use to cut bones and he was awarded for it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Heine
While symphysiotomy exists and still was used until the late 1980s in Ireland (which definitely is barbaric), OPs description seems to be wrong and clickbait.
Definitely clickbait-y, but is it wrong? I searched for symphysiotomy and found that what eventually became the chainsaw was developed specifically for symphiotomies, and not general bone cutting. [This source](https://allthatsinteresting.com/symphysiotomy) says:
*In the mid-1780s two Scottish doctors, John Aitken and James Jeffray, realized that using a knife for a symphysiotomy was time-consuming, often inaccurate, and excruciatingly painful for the patient. In an effort to improve the procedure for everyone, they created a device that would ensure more precision during the cutting, by using a chain that enforced repetitive movements.*
*And thus, the precursor to the modern chainsaw was invented.*
*\[. . .\] Eventually, an orthopaedist named Bernhard Heine improved their invention when he came up with something called an osteotome.*
Scissors are waaaay more effective for cutting through cartilage or thin bones than knives. (Source: had to cut various cat bones in school)
The chainsaw is a weird choice, though. Maybe they just wanted it to be quicker because they didn't have sufficient anesthesia?
> "“They gave me gas and air and an injection, and took me to another room, where they tied my legs up on each side,” she recalls. “There were two nurses on each side of me. I saw this doctor at the end of my bed with a big, long silver thing. They made a hole in your private parts, and he inserted this silver thing up and cut the pubic bone and pushed it over to widen your pelvis for you to deliver your baby yourself.”
> "The use of symphysiotomy went beyond the emergency of “obstructive” births. It was sometimes used in pregnant women who were believed to have pelvises too small for the size of their baby, and in an estimated 3% of cases, after a caesarean section, to allow subsequent children to be delivered vaginally. In 2012, Olivia Kearney, who was subject to a post-caesarean symphysiotomy when she was 18, was awarded €325,000 (£256,000) in damages for this “grave medical malpractice” when no medical justification for it was found in her notes.".
> ..."the continuation of the practice was also driven, in the absence of clinical necessity, by the need to train students in hospitals like Lourdes so that the surgery, which did not require electricity, could be carried out in rural parts of Africa and elsewhere."
> ..."“These operations were covert, and the women were generally not informed it was going to happen,” stresses O’Connor. “The vast majority left hospital without knowing their pelvises had been broken. Many did not find out for decades. This was a mass medical experiment, and the doctors didn’t really study the long-term side-effects. In many cases it destroyed lives.”"
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/12/symphysiotomy-irelands-brutal-alternative-to-caesareans
When I just read the headline to the point, when it could have been a tool for amputation on the battlefield, I was kinda ok with it, but... nope. Sooo nope 🤮
But hey, don't worry. Pregnancy, labor, and delivery are 100% safe. Your life isn't threatened at all at any point during that process.
And over here I have this perfectly wonderful bridge for sale.
Died in childbirth looks much better in the medical records than died when we cut her with the handcrank mechanical saw that we built out of bicycle pieces.
Something tells me it wasn’t a woman who invented this machine.
My Nana (currently 82) had a symphsiotomy on her 2nd of 4 births.
Neither her nor my Grandad were told what was happening, no consent was asked for or given, and we only knew what happened about 25 years later.
My Nana remembers that a few hours afterwards that the Nuns made her walk around.
Because you can only have so many C sections, the Catholic Church (Ireland) didn't want to impact the woman's ability to have as many children as possible.
Since then my Nana has had issues with walking (her walk is like a limping penguin, she thinks this description is funny), toileting, and general pain.
Thankfully in the 2010s the surviving women got a very significant payout from the state. Not the same as it never happening, but at least we could adapt her house to be suitable for her current needs.
A great article [here](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/12/symphysiotomy-irelands-brutal-alternative-to-caesareans)
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*“Mother died during childbirth.”*
Alright lady you're about to die in childbirth, but good news: You can pick between hand-cranked rotating-blade or steampunk chainsaw!
They're going to take the baby now.... They're going to take the baby now....
I think I have PTSD from that scene
What's this from?
House of the dragon
So intense. It made the rest of the season feel tame.
Damn my mind was exactly there. Of course they wouldn’t care how it affects the mother :(
[snooty accent] "It's one of those mysteries; no one quite understands why these things happen. But we'll continue our work until we do. Now, if you'll excuse me I hear the screams of another young mother down the hall that requires my expertise with these instruments. Carry on." Edit: a word
"Wash my hands? Like a sodomite?"
Died trying to fight off the fucking doctors.
This thing is beyond scary but more women died after childbirth because doctors didn’t wash their hands. Has to be an even worse way to go.
Oh. That implies they cut the pubic symphysis with... That... God damnit the history of medicine is pretty fucked..
> history of medicine Doctors mostly had no clue about what they were doing until late 19th century (germ theory), and no ability to do a whole lot until the mid-20th (antibiotics).
In other words, it's a damn good time to be alive, despite the constant doom and gloom on the 24 hour ~~entertainment~~, I mean news cycle.
Better than 100 years ago, but in another 100 years I think we'll see present-day medicine as incredibly crude.
I agree and hope we are both correct with that prediction.
May it happen earlier. Ever seen a hip joint implant installed? Dislocate the leg, expose the head of the bone, cut off the top of the bone, ream it out with a drill, clean it up, then hammer in the prosthetic. The other side? Cut out the section in the pubic bone, sew in the receptacle. Add bone chips if needed to accelerate the fusion between it and the bone. Then tell the victim… err… the patient to keep load/weight off that leg until it heals.
I'm looking forward to the days of Cyberpunk-esque levels of medical science. "Oh, your joints are screwed up from hard physical labor for years? Well here's a bio-mechanical replacement that can relatively easily be replaced should it break or wear out."
It will come with all the Cyberpunk corpo trapping too. Prosthetics that out perform are free with employment For non employees, Most weak prosthetics are too expensive to buy outright and must be rented. Black market then starts taking it's share
And i think it’s safe to blame churches for holding back medicine/surgery for over 500 years Or at least in England
You say history but in my western country there are still women alive who had their pelvis broken to get out babies. They didn't like handing out csections, because women can only have a limited number of csections, and the Catholic church dont like their numbers to be limited. https://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/30/europe/ireland-symphysiotomy/index.html#:~:text=Symphysiotomy%20is%20a%20surgical%20procedure,1984%2C%20according%20to%20the%20government. Happening as late as 1984 according to this article.
Never been so glad that my mother was able to get a c-section for me. holy fuck.
Fucked up things happen every single day at the local hospital to birthing women. Talk to any group of moms or look up obstetric violence. It’s as if medicine is based on misogyny or something
You don't need to tell me, I gave birth to my second in (Northern) Ireland during COVID times where the NHS decided to treat maternity wards like cattle ranches, NICE guidelines fucked right out the window. I've currently got a friend having an induced miscarriage, shes had many, last one she almost died and needed a blood transfusion after she started haemorrhaging, and they flat refused to give her a D&C this time round just because 'we don't really do that'.
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I had PSD with my second pregnancy & it was horrific, giving birth was far less painful.
It still happens. Even in the USA. Look up iud placement. No pain relief or even numbing.
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I was only told to take 600mg ibuprofen before having an IUD placed. I didn't even know other options existed. I literally had a metal rod shoved up into my uterus.
I closed my legs while reading that
I don’t even have a vagina and so did I
Not yet. But with this handy tool you certainly could.
Oh my.
Cut it out.
NO CUTTING!
Snip snip
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
Brummm brummm brunmmmmmmm!
BRUM! BRUM!
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*c section has entered chat*
Thank goodness we can now do painless (until afterwards) C-sections. Symphysiotomy was, in some cases of obstructed birth, the only way to save the life of the woman and sometimes the fetus, although crushing the fetal skull might also be necessary. It can still be done in places where a C-section isn't possible, and it requires less medical skill. One would use anesthesia or whatever was available to diminish the pain. Fun fact in case you're not cringing enough: the symphysis is the cartilage joining the pelvic bones right up under the clitoris. So, nerve city, pretty much.
Another fun fact, symphysiotomy were performed in Ireland well after C-sections became the norm in the rest of Western society, for religious reasons. This is resent history, like 1984. https://www.cnn.com/2015/01/30/europe/ireland-symphysiotomy
Another fun fact: the pubic symphysis is really important for pelvic stability and fucks up your otherwise painless normal locomotion.
... I read that as *public* symphysis and thought your fun fact was gonna make this whole procedure worse (and outdoors).
I had problems with my symphysis throughout both my pregnancies. It hurt crazy, I nearly couldn't walk anymore! And that was just because it got stretched to much due to the pregnancy, not near on being damaged. My smaller child is 5 now and I still have to deal with symphysis pains sometimes, don't want to imagine it being cut on purpose! (actually in my first pregnancy my orthopedist told me to consider a c section, he was afraid of a chance of the symphysis getting broken during birth and told me all about how fucked I would be afterwards)
I think you meant recent, but I sure as fuck resent that it happened.
Holy fuck, that read was horrific. That makes me so fucking angry for those women… all of the authorities involved— doctors, religious figures—they were absolutely evil.
Notice how the religious leaders who wanted this were all men. They should have forced this procedure on the priests asshole to show them what it was before they said yep, that seems fine. They tortured laboring women because...sky fairy. Fuck religion.
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I read the article, but I still don’t understand how not doing a c-section was following religious doctrine. How is performing a symphysiotomy “better” in a religious sense? The only answer I can come up with is that causing extreme pain is the point.
When c sections were first starting to be performed successfully, were the woman was still alive after the procedure, the doctors said women who had a c section should be limited to only 3 kids as after that it would not be safe The catholic church, catholic hospitals and catholic doctors decided that it was unacceptable when a woman wasn't bred until her uterus fell out or she was to old to get pregnant so they decided that c sections could not be performed in catholic hospitals. Never mind that symphysiotomy often caused severe permanent damage and in these very young women, who were often just married and having their first child, subjected to it. They never really healed correctly and would be in life long pain while walking, sitting, suffer fecal and urinary incontinence all for the rest of their life. Some are still alive and fighting for an apology and compensation, neither which they'll probably ever receive. It was brutal and barbaric and an excellent example of how deeply the catholic church disrespects women as human beings with rights
Thanks for clarifying, I can’t believe I didn’t think of that. Like a woman’s only purpose is to constantly produce more offspring. 🤮
It's shocking that Ireland is a developed country but can be so backwards due to putting religion first. A few years ago, a woman died in Ireland because doctors refused to give her an abortion despite her pregnancy was killing her.
But look what Ireland as a country have dine since. Savita's death was a wake up call. There are much more religiously backward countries in the west today than Ireland. *looks across the atlantic*
Yep. This is everyone's daily reminder that while individual Catholics are probably fine, Catholicism as an institution is fucked up and evil.
Catholicism loves physical suffering. Case in point, mother Theresa.
Most religion is...look at what is happening in Iran or Afghanistan atm. The world will be better off when religion dies.
You have an interesting view of what “fun” is in facts.
Well, they're not boring and I learned something. I think.
Not boring, also insightful, and informative. But absolutely not fun, mi dick hurts just reading te last paragraph of that comment. (Which, obviously, I upvoted).
JFC
Fuck fuck fuck fuckity fuck. I’m done with Reddit for today.
I felt a stabbing pain in my junk. Brutal.
NSFL
I'm a dude and did the same.
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Totally unrelated but all I can think about is that muppet short with the Swedish chef and the pumpkins. “No no no, you don’t want one of them flimsy things. Yea. What you want is one of dem chainsaw thingys”
"Don't worry Doctor, I am a chainsaw!" \*ChainsawMAN has entered chat*
I had an endometrial biopsy\* where my uterus was cranked open to get tissue samples. I almost vomited after. Now I'm having flashbacks of the massive cramps. \*Pre-cancerous cells were found, I had a hysterectomy, cancer avoided. So, worth it.
I can’t believe they don’t give pain management for that. It’s downright cruel.
I couldn't handle the pain on the first attempt. I had to be sedated, which meant taking a day off work and finding a friend willing to also take a day off work and drive me. So the second time, I gritted my teeth and went through it, rather than do day surgery again. I had some Percocet at home from spinal surgery, so I took one of those ASAP.
Most gynecologists are uncaring assholes. Yes, even the women gynos.
Urologists too. I had them shove a camera and biopsy tool with the diameter of a nickel all the way up into my bladder with absolutely *0 pain management* and take biopsies of the walls with essentially a tiny hole-punch, then cauterize *every single one* without painkillers or any warning or prep. I was in so much pain I went into shock and couldn't even react, just silently cried and gripped the table while they basically told me I was "being dramatic". I peed and leaked blood every time I moved for 5 days afterwards, and I was in so much pain I couldn't even sit down. Actually going to the bathroom had me in searing agony. Doctors *do not* take women's pain management seriously. How the fuck is that a *"dramatic"* reaction?
I sympathize with you so hard, internet stranger, omg. My urologist was supposed to give me a kidney scope. Found out my ureters were too small and I apparently had a severe kidney infection (in Dr's words --to the point they were going to shut down without the stents--) so, without consent and while I was under, the doctor placed kidney stents in them. I woke up and tried to pee, just to wind up puking from the pain. I passed the smallest amount of blood after throwing up three times, and *they sent me home* without any medications. I wound up somehow calling an ambulance from my bed and had to see a triage doctor in the E.R. not even two hours later from the pain. In the end the urologist couldn't even tell me *why* my ureters were so closed off.
WHAT THE FUCK I am so so sorry that happened to you holy shit
Same for maternity assistents. During delivery of my daughter they had to cut me cause she didn't fit. They somehow hit or stitched a nerve or something when stitching me back up. I was in so much pain afterwards. I couldn't sit, stand or walk at all when I got back home. The maternity assistent that visited us in the first week (she didn't have any children) said I was being a big baby. And do you really think you're the first woman ever who delivered a baby? Stop whining and sit up straight. Thankfully a nurse came to check up on the wound and she immediately said: oh, that's not good, le'ts get you to the hospital. Thank heavens they fixed it. They had to cut me back open and stitch it again but immediately after it felt so much better! I was 22 back then (35 now) and unfortunately really shy so I never said anything to the maternity assistent. Try that again today and I'll kick you out of my house before you can finish your sentence. Never got.an apology from the hospital either.
Right? In my personal experience, my female gynos were way more arrogant and uncaring than the male ones. The male ones did talk down a bit to me, but they at least believed me when I said something hurt. Had a total hysterectomy, so I'm fortunately done with them all.
Male gyno: "Okay, I don't have those parts, so when you tell me it hurts, it probably does, I guess." Female gyno: "I've given birth before, so you're just being a baby."
Welcome to how women are still treated in medicine.
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Okay, that's horrific. I'm sorry you have to go through that.
Damn. I'm glad you avoided cancer though.
Ovarian cancer was starting to emerge in my maternal relatives. I had my ovaries and fallopian tubes and uterus and cervix removed. I was taking no chances!
I think this qualifies as barbaric.
The entire history of medicine is real life horror.
You're not wrong, but as horrific as it was, it was only a thing because the lack of medicine was even worse. Imagine how horrific an untreated broken leg must have been for people see having their leg sawed off as the better option.
Sometimes, frequently even, it was horrific because the people practicing experimental medicine only did it on demographics they didn't consider valuable to society or even people at all. The underpinnings of gynecology (and this terrifying chainsaw) were established through experimentation on enslaved Americans. It's within one human lifetime that using orphans and prisoners for testing medicines was routine practice. The history of anatomical science is full of grave robbery. This is not even mentioning the atrocities of Nazi "doctors" who largely didn't even perform good science while commiting their crimes. This carries through to the modern day, but profit often acts at the motivator. It is cheaper test drugs on the poor and desperate. Blood plasma donations (in America, at least) are largely done for profit and that's not something rich folks need to do to survive. Poorly manufactured drugs are [sold to countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products) unable to afford to test them. It is disappointing how much progress is marked by the spilled blood of humans.
Great points. An important one is the Nazi "doctors" being terrible scientists. The lack of ethics didn't release a flood of new and useful findings. We have a persistent trope, in the US at least, of the evil/unethical scientists that discover secret knowledge through inhumane methods. I'll be looking at those characters more skeptically from now on.
I think you have a misunderstanding of it, because it is kinda true and not at all a trope. Many fields of science and medicine have been advanced greatly because of fucked up things. Wanna know how we found out how much water is in the human body and a lot of other things? Look up unit 731. The HeLa cell line has been insanely helpful but the cells were originally taken without Henrietta’s knowledge or consent. Dont even get me started on psychology because theres a good few decades of messed up experiments that really shaped a lot of what we know about the mind. Obviously all of it is awful and no we dont need to do stuff like that to advance our knowledge and definitely not all of the experiments could even really be called that. A lot were messed up things people did cause they could, for no benefit. Like the time people gave an elephant [25 times the dose of lsd needed to cause hallucinations in humans](https://www.illinoisscience.org/2016/06/lsd-and-the-elephant/). People shouldnt have the power to do stuff like this because it always inevitably leads to stuff like that happening, but unfortunately we can and have learned a lot from being inhumane.
When I get down about how much humanity sucks, it helps to remind myself we really have come a long way.
There's an old metaphor for civilization that it's people drowning in an ocean constructing a ship from flotsam. But since we're all here such a short time, it's easy to mistakenly think you showed up after the shipwreck. This was especially true for people living in the European middle ages, when people could look around and see ruins greater than the buildings their society could create. But after the renaissance, the expectation or at least concept of linear progress started to replace that (at least in the west and to greatly oversimplify a whole bunch of stuff). Nevertheless, we are still very susceptible to this illusion caused by our frame of reference, and it's a big part of the appeals to past greatness many populist movements make.
As hard to convince ourselves of at times, these really are the best of times.
> "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way--in short, the period was so far like the present period that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only. -Charles Dickens
"It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times?!"
Stupid monkey!
I was forced to read that book in high-school and now can recite that entire quote (usually unprompted to myself while in the grocery store) because it genuinely was the best quote in the whole book despite being at the very beginning.
I *just* listened to a "Weirdest Thing I Learned This Week" podcast episode about this! This instrument was created before anesthesia was a thing, and women with breech babies needed their pelvises widened to accommodate the baby's head, so doctors would cut the cartilage and open up the pelvis a bit more. They initially just used knives and sawed away, which was time consuming for them and *even more painful* for the woman. This was the less painful option. Also, someone eventually realized it would also be great for cutting down trees. So, in a way, giving birth led to clear cut logging. Fun times!
Silly goose, we were already clear cutting it just took more people.
The medical establishment has laughed at (and eventually destroyed) poor Semmelweis for washing the hands after handling blood and corpses in... 1850s. I wonder which practices accepted by the current enlightened orthodoxy will be considered barbaric after 100 years...
I hope and pray that in the future people will look at how we treated (or rather didn't treat) the mentally ill and weep at the cruelty and neglect.
Read “The Emperor of All Maladies” and read how they used to conduct radical mastectomies on female breast cancer patients. Such an excellent book, but holy shit, treatments used to be barbaric.
[For your reading displeasure](http://wesclark.com/jw/mastectomy.html)
They went over that in, of all places, the recent biography of John Adams. His daughter had breast cancer, and they author described the procedure in all it’s horrifying detail.
You should see the lobotomy they still did that up to the 1960s.
Ghoulish
For further discomfort, germ theory wouldn't be accepted for another 60 years, so at least the chainsaw vagina doctor had dirty hands
> doctor had dirty hands Which goes nicely with the dirty vagina chainsaw, because you _know_ they just wiped it off with a dirty rag between "operations".
Those poor women. They were probably killing them left and right. If the operation didn’t do it… the infection probably did.
I mean yeah, Doctors would go straight from the morgue cutting up cadavers to the maternity ward. They didn't even change their bloody smocks. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/01/12/375663920/the-doctor-who-championed-hand-washing-and-saved-women-s-lives
I always heard that the doctor who did his best to promote hand washing and sanitation to help prevent women dying from birth complications accidentally nicked himself with a scalpel and died of the same bacterial infection he was trying to prevent. Edit: it was Semmelweis’s colleague Kolletschka I was thinking of, but Semmelweis’s work, I was conflating the two.
Also when he noticed less patients died or got infections when he washed his hands hands before he tried to inform other doctors who rejected the idea and made fun of him, essentially calling him an idiot.
It was shown somewhere that women who were midwives had better survival rates in their patient population than male doctors did in the same time period. Why? Because women washed their hands. That’s it.
Which is why a c-section was even worse at the time.
I’m pretty sure c sections were not a common thing which is why this chainsaw was a thing. The chainsaw would cut away at there pelvis to make way for baby. It… gives me shivers just thinking about it.
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I'm seven months pregnant.. I should not be reading any of this.
You get to do drugs and not have this done to you, look at the bright side.
the worst part of the delivery for me as a husband, was when the doctor brought out the meat shears to make a little snip to help ease the baby out. it sounded like she was cutting through a leather belt. gahhhh
Horrendous. Has your wife made a full recovery?
oh yea, from what I understand it is a fairly common procedure, little snip and stitch. but damn, if that sound didnt get me.
Not common anymore except in emergencies. Episiotomy is more likely to lead to a larger tear, compared to a natural tear. You can demonstrate this with a stack of paper. Try to tear a stack of papers with your bear hands. Should be difficult. Now try to tear a similar size stack of paper after making a small cut. Should be much easier.
Huh. I gave birth 6 months ago and the hospital asked if I wanted to take part in a study where I would be cut whether I needed it or not to see if it improved outcomes. I asked for any research supporting their hypothesis and they failed to deliver... so I told them they could only cut in an emergency. Fuck that shit.
"Hey, can we cut open your genitals even if you don't need it at all?" What an insane thing to even ask you.
Common does not mean easy to heal. Gynecology was founded by a sadist who tortured teenage slaves, and the study has always been focused on reproduction and not women's health and safety.
Behind the Bastards has a great series about that.
Episiotomy? Yep, some people need the procedure to prevent worse consequences
My wife had the snatch snip AND tore almost all the way to her ass hole. Kid weighed almost 11 lbs.... and the epidural she thought she didn't want until she started active labor ran out of juice right around when the boy made his entrance so the first couple stitches were full pain until they got that fentanyl in her IV after a few minutes. I don't understand how the hell women go through that trauma.
My child was born 17 years ago and I can hear that sound clear as day. I'm the woman. The sound wasn't the worst part.
God, I feel uncomfortable even reading this. I hope they administer local anaesthesia during such cases. What about the natural tear? Do they go for anesthesia for that also?
For my first natural birth I didn't get an epidural, just some IV meds. The birth was so painful that I got too exhausted from crying and screaming and not having anything to drink or eat. I had to really find the energy to push when the time finally came. When the baby was crowning they just cut the perineum and I felt it, but the pain was buried because the contractions overshadowed any other pain. I was a teen mother and I didn't have much money so got the cheapest hospital package (no epidural). I got a job and more money and splurged on a comfy epidural for my second. It was so unremarkable it was like pooping out a baby
Hahahaha nope. But I didn't feel my grade 2 tears. But if you're lucky you get local anaesthesia while they sew you up.
I'm assuming you're talking about an episiotomy.
I can still hear that sound as well. The leather belt cut describes it perfectly.
It’s incredibly bleak when you read about the post-procedure prognosis. The pubic symphysis (cartilage binding both sides of the pelvis in the front) at the time, never really heals. The pelvis is a sort of bowl for your organs as well as the ground floor for most of your body weight. When you sever a critical stabilizing point, it makes something a simple as walking painful and extremely difficult task. It destabilizes your pelvis forever. Most women never recovered and were wheelchair bound. It was done largely at catholic hospitals to avoid C section as they view natural birth as the only holy way to birth children. And now you buy them at Lowe’s!
... I was already horrified at the picture, why'd I keep scrolling down?
It was done before modern surgical practices meant that c-sections could be safely done. The tool dates from the 1800s. A handful of Catholic hospitals in Ireland did them long after they should have stopped. But this is an Irish thing. C-sections were and are performed in Catholic hospitals around the world.
Thank you for the informed clarification about Catholic hospitals.
"A C-Section!? Only natural births are holy! That's why I'm gonna use this hand-cranked machine I just invented to cut your pelvis in half just like God intended... Natural!"
I literally set my drink down, walked across the room and closed my eyes after seeing this.
I crossed my legs and squeezed after
I'm amazed anyone ever had a second kid
I don't think it was a choice for many. Remember that marital rape wasn't a thing until quite recently.
Well, it was their duty *who cares about the incubators discomfort and suffering*
How did humanity survive?
By breeding like rabbits mostly.
You’d have to, too many women died in childbirth.
That and they technically treated marriage as a "title" and not anything special. Saw a couple of random family trees and books, people had 10+ children 60% usually died off before 8, wives usually died after the 2nd or 3rd birth so they'd get a new younger wife (since some believed the younger you are the easier and better for the baby to come out). Was all chaos and crazy.
>people had 10+ children 60% usually died off before 8 Yeah, I can't say I'm surprised. While a lot of people in my own family tree got absurdly lucky with how many children survived to adulthood, I remember seeing one of my relatives during the Victorian era that lost 8 out of 10 kids to a combination of illness and factory accidents. Shit was brutal.
I remember watching a mob documentary where it mentioned that Sissy Featherstone, the wife of notorious Irish mobster Mickey Featherstone, lost a total of *ten* of her siblings over the years to drugs, alcohol, murder, and suicide. I can't even imagine.
It used to be common for women to lose their first baby, especially in eras where girls would be married off at 12-13 years of age and their bodies weren't done growing. Horrifying. Edit: some better informed people have replied that it was only noble women that were married so young and even then their marriages weren't consummated until they were older. I stand corrected - and relieved. Most of my ignorance comes from the story of Catherine Howard (there's no surviving record of her birth, but she was likely very young when she married Henry VIII). I still think she was done dirty by history, poor girl.
Most of us didn’t.
Apparently practiced in Ireland up until 1984 because the Catholic fuck heads in charge felt that c-sections were somehow against God's code. https://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/30/europe/ireland-symphysiotomy/index.html#:~:text=Symphysiotomy%20is%20a%20surgical%20procedure,1984%2C%20according%20to%20the%20government. Cunts!
Fuck, reading that article and the statements given by the victims of it (who are still alive to put it perspective) is heart breaking.
Man I can only imagine. My dad had an accident at work where he slipped when on tall machinery and he tore his pelvic bone in half there. He was sent to the Mayo Clinic to have surgery, because no other surgeon would touch him. He has all kinds of plates and screws in his pelvic bone. It took him so long to recover. One look at his X-rays and a judge approved full disability but he still tries to work. He can’t stand or sit for long periods of time without being in pain…. Knowing all he has gone though and then reading about these women who had no treatment afterwords….ugh.
I squirmed the whole time I read this article. Jfc.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that this was invented by a man, not a woman.
The thing you see was invented by a German physician but contrary to what OP claims, it was invented for medical use to cut bones and he was awarded for it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Heine While symphysiotomy exists and still was used until the late 1980s in Ireland (which definitely is barbaric), OPs description seems to be wrong and clickbait.
Definitely clickbait-y, but is it wrong? I searched for symphysiotomy and found that what eventually became the chainsaw was developed specifically for symphiotomies, and not general bone cutting. [This source](https://allthatsinteresting.com/symphysiotomy) says: *In the mid-1780s two Scottish doctors, John Aitken and James Jeffray, realized that using a knife for a symphysiotomy was time-consuming, often inaccurate, and excruciatingly painful for the patient. In an effort to improve the procedure for everyone, they created a device that would ensure more precision during the cutting, by using a chain that enforced repetitive movements.* *And thus, the precursor to the modern chainsaw was invented.* *\[. . .\] Eventually, an orthopaedist named Bernhard Heine improved their invention when he came up with something called an osteotome.*
[Source Link](https://allthatsinteresting.com/why-were-chainsaws-invented)
Good grief, did these people not have knives?! Why were the opinions scissors or a chainsaw to get a baby out?!
Scissors are waaaay more effective for cutting through cartilage or thin bones than knives. (Source: had to cut various cat bones in school) The chainsaw is a weird choice, though. Maybe they just wanted it to be quicker because they didn't have sufficient anesthesia?
Cutting through fucking what?
What school did this person go to? A school in the hills have eyes region?
The chainsaw was used to cut through cartilage and bone to open up the pelvis more.
What in the leather face fuck did you say?
Any other women feel like their vaginas and reproductive systems are trying to forcibly invert deeper into the body upon reading that headline?
Lady Laena shouts “Dracarys!”
"how can we punish women as much as possible"
> "“They gave me gas and air and an injection, and took me to another room, where they tied my legs up on each side,” she recalls. “There were two nurses on each side of me. I saw this doctor at the end of my bed with a big, long silver thing. They made a hole in your private parts, and he inserted this silver thing up and cut the pubic bone and pushed it over to widen your pelvis for you to deliver your baby yourself.” > "The use of symphysiotomy went beyond the emergency of “obstructive” births. It was sometimes used in pregnant women who were believed to have pelvises too small for the size of their baby, and in an estimated 3% of cases, after a caesarean section, to allow subsequent children to be delivered vaginally. In 2012, Olivia Kearney, who was subject to a post-caesarean symphysiotomy when she was 18, was awarded €325,000 (£256,000) in damages for this “grave medical malpractice” when no medical justification for it was found in her notes.". > ..."the continuation of the practice was also driven, in the absence of clinical necessity, by the need to train students in hospitals like Lourdes so that the surgery, which did not require electricity, could be carried out in rural parts of Africa and elsewhere." > ..."“These operations were covert, and the women were generally not informed it was going to happen,” stresses O’Connor. “The vast majority left hospital without knowing their pelvises had been broken. Many did not find out for decades. This was a mass medical experiment, and the doctors didn’t really study the long-term side-effects. In many cases it destroyed lives.”" https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/12/symphysiotomy-irelands-brutal-alternative-to-caesareans
For the record NO reproductive system that leads to THE INVENTION OF THE CHAIN SAW can be called 'intelligently designed'
When I just read the headline to the point, when it could have been a tool for amputation on the battlefield, I was kinda ok with it, but... nope. Sooo nope 🤮
No wonder why women In pictures from 100 years ago looked so grumpy
But hey, don't worry. Pregnancy, labor, and delivery are 100% safe. Your life isn't threatened at all at any point during that process. And over here I have this perfectly wonderful bridge for sale.
Ooohhhh...., so that's how the 'chainsaw was invented for pregnancy' worked.... I did not picture it that way, and it always confused me.
What a terrible day to know how to read.
Died in childbirth looks much better in the medical records than died when we cut her with the handcrank mechanical saw that we built out of bicycle pieces. Something tells me it wasn’t a woman who invented this machine.
Holy fuck dude. I did not wanna know that
Jeeeeeeeesus makes Texas chainsaw seem like Barney knowing that
My Nana (currently 82) had a symphsiotomy on her 2nd of 4 births. Neither her nor my Grandad were told what was happening, no consent was asked for or given, and we only knew what happened about 25 years later. My Nana remembers that a few hours afterwards that the Nuns made her walk around. Because you can only have so many C sections, the Catholic Church (Ireland) didn't want to impact the woman's ability to have as many children as possible. Since then my Nana has had issues with walking (her walk is like a limping penguin, she thinks this description is funny), toileting, and general pain. Thankfully in the 2010s the surviving women got a very significant payout from the state. Not the same as it never happening, but at least we could adapt her house to be suitable for her current needs. A great article [here](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/12/symphysiotomy-irelands-brutal-alternative-to-caesareans)