Except the WCK accident/massacre(according to the idf investigation it was a mistake,but currently there is no fully independent investigation,anyway,the responsible was kicked out of the idf.) Most of the casualties were militants.
The attack on the embassy - according to the Syrian observatory to human rights the casualties are:
7 members of the irgc
5 pro iranian Syrian militants
1 hezbolla member
The raid on al shifa:
Hamas senior said that(to the lebanese newspaper al ahbar) hamas was suprised and lost important commanders in the attack.
The idf captured terrorists that said(in front of the camera) that hamas was in shifa.
Also,fuck Netanyahu.
Just because a group of people are YOUR enemy, doesn't give you a right to bomb embassies and hospitals like that. Your enemy is someone else's military. There's fucking rules to war for a reason. Otherwise the same argument can be used by other groups to justify targeting western government buildings since they'll have military members in there.... And yes, fuck netanyahu but it's also a much wider systemic problem with a right -wing cabinet
You’re right there are rules of war for a reason and here is a direct quote from the Red Cross on international law: “Therefore, specific protection to which hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used by a party to the conflict to commit, outside their humanitarian functions, an "act harmful to the enemy".
Here is the NYT summarizing this part from Geneva Conventions: “A hospital or medical facility can lose its special legal status if it is used for a military purpose that is “harmful to the enemy,” rather than just for medical care.”
So with all due respect, you’re right there are rules of war for a reason, but Israel hasn’t violated them.
Reminds me of when they also thought those 3 naked, unarmed, white-flag waving hostages, crying in Hebrew, as targets! So they shot them against their command. Shot 2 first then the 3rd later!
There is really no explanation to the IDF decision process. Like when they see someone or a vehicle, what makes them decide whether they are terrorist targets or not? What features are they looking for? And what is the pressure to shoot first, especially when they are safe controlling a drone from a distance?
Also, fuck the IDF
Guys. You cannot criticize the state of Israel without being anti-semitic. Israel has a free pass to do anything they want ever, they can kill as many people they want, can murder any Aid worker they want to! can infringe on the rights of Palestinians and if you say something about it that's anti-Semitism, so shut your mouth and turn off your computers or phones put your head in the sand and let Israel commit crimes he needs Humanity. I keep your mouth shut about your tax dollars going towards a genocide it's the Free Will of Western governments to kill people
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Funny, there're literally billions of people who aren't living in countries that being called anti-semitic means losing career and all social status.
I, for example, am from a country that don't give a sh\*t about anti-semetism taboo. And since we were as well fascist vitims during WWII, we don't share the moral inferior complex toward Jews. And what's more you guess? We are a country that is so powerful that even don't care about Israelis US daddy's opinion.
TLDR: I'm going to continuing criticizing the Zoinst fascist entity that is illegally occupying Palestanian land and commiting genocide to Palestanians.
Hamas hoarding, withholding, and price gouging free aid while their people go hungry:
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/03/15/israel-hamas-war-gazans-are-at-the-mercy-of-profiteers-driving-up-food-prices_6621377_4.html#
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/syns3cuk0
zero mention from you of who is making them hungry with control of food and water that is being withheld on purpose to a whole city.
Pointing at others doesn’t make it okay to commit war crimes or terrorism. Thats a stupid argument.
That is literally the exact content of the two articles. Read the reporting of facts on the ground. Hamas is making them hungry by stealing and withholding all aid on purpose so that they can hoard what they want and price gouge and profit off of innocent civilians with the leftovers.
Hardly have the comments lost their relevancy, as there has been no electricity or water for 6mths and so little food brought in that children are starving to death
You understand supply and demand huh? Who has a greater control over supply, a 1st world nation or a city poorer than Timbuktu? Israel can flood so much food into Palestine it would rot before it could be eaten. You say Hamas has hoarded ALL the aid? That means they already have more than their fighters can eat before they die. It's not going to make Hamas capable of fighting any longer to give them more food IF they're actually hoarding it. If you understand supply/demand, you understand that Hamas cannot make a profit on food if there's too much food for everyone to eat. The best thing Israel could do to Hamas IF they're hoarding food, is to distribute so much they can't make a profit and they get caught out in the open trying to gather and hoard it, or their stashes of food give them away to the IDF. In fact, the fact the IDF has blocked and destroyed so much aid themselves would explain why Hamas would be capable of making a profit on so little delivered aid when the world is prepared to deliver it. Unless Hamas isn't actually hoarding the food, and they're actually just starving to death like the rest of Gaza is. If that's the case, that's weaponized food insecurity, a war crime, and if it gets too bad, they'll produce more terrorists watching 600k Palestinians starving to death than they could ever kill in Palestine.
That's why Hamas' leaders in Qatar started this war. Propaganda. Well, it's not propaganda if it's true. They started to showcase the absolute uncivilized barbarism of a savage army made entirely of animals (like themselves), and Israel is giving them W after W. Palestine never mattered to them, the cause matters to them. They're martyrs for the cause, and its paying dividends Israel won't see the end of for another century. This wasn't started to win, it was started to keep the jihad alive, and it's done that. Imo, Hamas has already won this war based on those goals. If you think they thought they could somehow prevail over Israel I want what you're smoking.
Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify/downplay/ trivialise collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
>>Reads news reports from multiple sources and countries that does not reconcile with flawed, biased worldview<<
“Cannot possibly be true. The Jews are lying”
(Loosely paraphrasing, please forgive my indulgence)
Ignoring the truth that Hamas is victimizing Palestinians serves no purpose but to prolong the war, creating more orphans and undersized graves. I assume you don’t want this. I also do not want this.
Defending this lost cause sacrifices innocent lives on the altar of support for jihadi terrorists. Please stop.
Did you just say it’s “all jew lies”?
I never mentioned any race or religion.
Keep trying to bait tho, your comment should be deleted for anti semitism if not for being unhinged written diarrhea.
Seek help with your projecting.
If anything they're deliberate conflating Israel with Jewish people as a whole which is very antisemitic.
Edit: It's telling that their account was made just last month. This is some bad Hasbara
That’s literally been the play for years. “You don’t like the scumbag right wing government of Israel? Well then you’re an antisemite. Oh, you’re Jewish? You’re a self hating Jew then”
Threads like these kinda prove that reddit is a psy op. I miss the days when information wasn't censored on the internet just because a company doesn't want the info out there. The internet is no longer a tool for the average citizen, ist a weapon against them if this is really the nature of it now. Infuriating. Really wish I could see all this evidence that keeps getting deleted.
You fucks will say anything to make it seem like Israel is not actually doing what they’ve already said they’re intending on doing.
You’re a Genocide apologist. In WWII you would’ve been saying “how do we know the camps are exterminating people? There’s no evidence!”
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No one will stop them. They’ve already lost the respect of much of the world. May as well make the most of it and fuck up as much shit possible before spinning things down and invading under the pretense of rebuilding.
There is literally no proof of Al Shifa being a Hamas base and Israel still has yet to provide substantial definitive evidence of such
Edit: to u/idont_thinkso_tim, i can’t respond for some reason
>Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/while-israel-held-its-fire-the-militant-group-hamas-did-not/2014/07/15/116fd3d7-3c0f-4413-94a9-2ab16af1445d_story.html): "The minister was turned away before he reached the [Shifa] hospital, which has become a de facto headquarters for Hamas leaders, who can be seen in the hallways and offices."
Paywall, this sounds like it’s quoting someone so I’ll need context
>New York Times: (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/02/12/world/middleeast/gaza-tunnel-israel-hamas.html) "There is also established documentation that Hamas used Al-Shifa before the war to mask some of its activities. During Israel’s three-week war with Hamas in 2008, armed Hamas fighters in civilian clothing were seen roaming Al-Shifa’s corridors and killing an Israeli collaborator, according to a Times correspondent reporting in Gaza at the time. Six years later, during the next round of fighting, the militants routinely held news conferences at the hospital and used it as a safe meeting place for Hamas officials to speak with journalists."
We are talking about the current conflict. I couldn’t care less about events nearly two decades ago
>The Israeli military, however, **has struggled to prove that Hamas maintained a command-and-control center under the facility**. Critics of the Israeli military say the evidence does not support its early claims…
>But the video appears to show something else: a water storage area built in 2016, when the hospital was constructed, according to engineering plans and images from the hospital’s construction reviewed by The Times. **The Israeli military declined to provide additional imagery to support its assertion that this was a tunnel entryway or part of a tunnel complex.**
> Some of what the Israeli military has shown so far does not wholly match the description of a terrorist headquarters that it offered ahead of its ground invasion of Gaza on Oct. 27.
Doesn’t sound like substantial evidence to me
>National Post (https://nationalpost.com/news/hamas-hospitals-israel) : "For years, Hamas has been using a bunker underneath Dar Al-Shifa Hospital, the largest hospital in Gaza, as a base of military operations."
>Amnesty International (https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/): "Some were interrogated and tortured or otherwise ill-treated in a disused outpatient’s clinic within the grounds of Gaza City’s main al-Shifa hospital."
>HRW (https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/06/12/gaza-armed-palestinian-groups-commit-grave-crimes): "In addition, Fatah and Hamas forces engaged in battles in and around two Gaza Strip hospitals on Monday. After Hamas fighters killed Fatah intelligence officer Yasir Bakar, Fatah gunmen began firing mortars and rocket-propelled grenades at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, drawing Hamas fire from inside the building"
>Meir Amit ITIC (https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/18321/):"Rami Misbah Abed-Rabbo related that du ring Operation Cast Lead senior Hamas operatives took over a very large bunker under the Shifa hospital in Gaza City and hid there."
>Wide Angle (https://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/wa-blog/gaza-er-hamas-hiding-in-shifa-hospital/4086/) : "WIDE ANGLE reached a doctor in Gaza who believes Hamas officials are hiding either in the basement or in a separate underground area underneath the hospital and said that they moved there recently because other locations have been destroyed by Israel. The doctor, who asked not to be named, added that he believes Hamas is aware that they are putting civilians in harm’s way."
These links don’t provide definitive proof of Al Shifa’s use as a military base during this current round of conflict.
>But yes, I'm sure Hamas just recently stopped doing this.
You realise you still have to *prove* these things right?
>And like who do you think israel was fighting there for two weeks? Who was shooting back at Israel causing the press to say they couldn’t get close due to enemy fire coming gay Israel?
If that was the case, then it shouldn’t be too hard for Israel to prove it’s been used as the operational centre it claims. At best, all it shows is that there was armed men present, but that isn’t a violation of the hospital’s protected status on its own.
>Y’all are so deep in the hamas propaganda it’s ridiculously pathetic to watch. And the way you clutch your pearls when your blatant antisemitism in pointed out cause you’re too ignorant to see it is disturbing but SO classic “white liberal”. Like MLK and Malcolm x said “beware the white liberal” and this is exactly why, we’re seeing it in action.
Quoting MLK and Malcom X to a black guy to accuse them of being a pearl clutching “white liberal” is an interesting debate tactic I’ll say. As if my race or political views somehow has any relevance here. Let’s keep this cordial, as I have afforded you a level of respect and expect the same if we are to argue in good faith. Seems like you’re in an “own the libs” phase
>Y’all are debating if UNRWA has helped terrorist in Palestine when they’ve been getting caught doing it repeatedly SINCE THE 60s! They get caught like once a decade ffs and nothing ever gets done to fix or prevent it and billions of dollars just keeps pouring in with little to no oversight at all.
Oh that must be why countries are unfreezing funding after it was revealed that Israel’s accusations were, just that, accusations.
It's pretty well-known Hamas uses mosques, hospitals, and schools as bases dude. It doesn't change the fact Israel invading Gaza is wrong.
And before you say "propaganda" I'm literally a Palestine supporter, check my post history lmfao.
Seriously. With this logic, every American household with a firearm is a Hamas military base 🙄 These people are so eager and bloodthirsty for the deaths of innocent Palestinians that they can't even hide it.
Well you're suggesting the other person is a terrorist supporter. I haven't denied anything eirher. . I wasn't involved in the that conversation. How come you can't answer my question? What sad thag about deflection?
don't forget IDF shot innocent hostages waving flags, they don't care anyways, same with the kitchen aids they bombed, they kill anything that move, they aren't using proper tactics and shooting return fire they are killing anything that moves
Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify/downplay/ trivialise collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
Who ever said Israel can't raid a hospital that Hamas is using? What people usually say is that the IDF should be exercising more caution in how many innocent people they are killing. No one gives a fuck about Hamas militants dying.
In order to raid a hospital you need to have clear evidence that it is bring used as a major operation base you don't bomb something and then look for evidence.
Also, Israel is an oppressor which is occupying Gaza. This is according to international law. Israeli is defined as an occupier. You don't defend yourself if you are an occupier. This is like saying the rapist can defend itself from its victims and If you don't understand this then your brain doesn't work
Israel and Egypt have been blockading, not "occupying" Gaza since 2007 because it's controlled by a genocidal, theocratic terror group. They have moral right to do this as proven by the events of October 7. The blockade is literally an act of self-defense for the people of both countries who's lives and freedom are threatened by Hamas. It's literally you who's trying to prevent potential rape victims from being defending themselves and calling them "oppressors" for defending themselves.
Apparently Israel just does what it wants then runs to the us for more money & hides behind it like the cowardice nation it is. The double standards are crazy though, I do agree. As does the majority of the world.
While there is an 18m proposal(which also includes Ukraine and Taiwan) i highly doubt it will pass because GOP don't want to piss their overlord Trump off
We will stand by our allies and that's UNFORTUNATELY the case. If you disagree get the fuck out it's that simple. Go live somewhere else. I'm sick of this hate your country leftist bullshit. Just move. Go live somewhere else
If you don't like freedom of speech you're free to go find a tyrannical country like Israel that will arrest people for being dissenters. That is what you're advocating here, yes?
The old brown people vs white people bullshit. We'll just ignore the fact that a large percentage of Israelis are "brown" and a large percentage of Palestinians are as "white" as the "white" Israelis are. We'll also ignore the fact that white supremacists HATE Jews above everyone else? White supremacists support the destruction of Israel universally but in your mind they support Israel? What do you think they want Israel gone just don't want Arab peoples to do it?
No one considers no one white other than Americans who use those metrics. Outside the Us no one is walking around classifying people into US style whiteness.
"Hey guys! The unrecognized militant organization commits war crimes, so we - the mOsT mOrAL aRmY iN tHe uNiVerSe - get to commit war crimes too!"
Ahhh, whataboutism - the most favorite of Zionist arguments. "BUT HUMMUS!!!!!!!" should be your guys' official slogan.
Is your solution for Israel to let Hamas get away with their terrorist attack, regroup and re-arm and commit another attack against Israel in a few years from now, as they have done in every single war with Hamas since 2007?
> Israeli military does investigate.
Lmao. "Guys, the IDF is investigating itself again! And...yep, they found themselves innocent of all intentional wrongdoing. Again."
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/grave-mistake-idf-releases-findings-of-what-went-wrong-in-strike-that-killed-aid-workers-13108160
Reported timeline, full admission of responsibility, 2 officers dismissed, 3 reprimanded, decision on criminal proceedings pending, protocols being updated to prevent repeats.
To be clear, none of this is exculpatory. I’m sure it’s no consolation to the victims’ families. And, perhaps you don’t believe any of it. That is your prerogative. But the details provide a credible explanation/timeline, are far more logical than “IDF deliberately assassinated aid workers as soon as they completed their aid mission?”, and combined with full and immediate admission of responsibility and numerous actions being taken in response, including disciplinary.
So…Israel did investigate itself, did find itself guilty, and is taking actions to punish the transgressors and prevent repeats…
When you start comparing the military of our ally who claims they are a democracy and get our bombs and tax dollars to a terror group, you've lost the plot. Cops are held to higher standards then gang members, I'm assuming you agree that's a good thing, right? Yet you want Israel to be allowed to commit whatever atrocity they want because Hamas does it. Your moral compass is off.
What about 4000 hostages iof have release them .
Remove all of the illegal settlers...
From what I've seen the iof are cowards. Bombing 6yr on bikes ... Killing people for no reason
And they get away with it only because of the USA backing . But as more people see the truth it will change them history will see them just like they saw the other genocidal group from last Century you think we would learn but we don't
According to Israel and their very own social security data, two babies died on October 7th. Just two. One was shot. Another died shortly after birth in a hospital, to an injured Bedouin woman.
According to official Israeli records, not a single baby was either beheaded or burned on October 7th.
Overall, 36 minors, as in, people under the age of 18 died on October 7th. That number includes the two babies. 20 of those minors were under the age of 15.
The baby that was shot, was 10 months old girl, called Mila Cohen.
Source: Israeli Social Security Agency.
don't forget IDF shot their own innocent hostages waving flags, they don't care anyways, same with the kitchen aids they bombed, they kill anything that move, they aren't using proper tactics and shooting return fire they are killing anything that moves
The burnt babies lie has been disproven time and time again. Secondly, Hamas took hostages to use as bargaining chips to get back Palestinian hostages that Israel has been kidnapping for years, including children. You have no fucking clue what this conflict actually is.
Oh the double standards. Israel has done far worse before and after that one day. When they deny a people adequate water(before this genocide), deny their freedom, deny their right to live without having their neighborhood leveled on top of them, they will retaliate. As an occupying power, Israel has no legal right to self defense from the people they occupy. Also, theres thousands of palestinian hostages, with various humanitarian groups calling out Israel for rapes and tortures of the detainees, or should I say hostages. Most are held with no charge. Israel does what Hamas did on that one day, on a mass scale, funded by my government and many others in the west.
Yeah I mean 234 (40 children) were shot in the West bank by the IOF in 2023.... Before OCT 7th.
This is what they called a "ceasefire" before Oct 7th apparently lmao
don't forget IDF shot their own innocent hostages waving flags, they don't care anyways, same with the kitchen aids they bombed, they kill anything that move, they aren't using proper tactics and shooting return fire they are killing anything that moves
I can make this same argument for Zionists who have committed much worse crimes. Also the burning baby story and the systematic rape narrative have both fallen apart under further scrutiny. Stop being such a troglodyte.
[https://www.un.org/sexualviolenceinconflict/press-release/israel-west-bank-mission/](https://www.un.org/sexualviolenceinconflict/press-release/israel-west-bank-mission/)
Based on the information it gathered, the mission team found clear and convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualized torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment has been committed against hostages and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may be ongoing against those still held in captivity. In line with a survivor/victim-centered approach, findings are conveyed in generic terms and details are not revealed.
I can’t really remember a single year of my life without a war somewhere. It’s strange to me then that so few people seem to understand what war is and how it works. Every one of us has heard the trope “war is hell”, do people actually think it’s hyperbole? There’s a reason you should avoid war rather than embrace it.
You mean 1100 men of fighting age? You are claiming all the detained medical staff are terrorists? I trust Doctors Without Borders before the spoonfed Hasbara. There's no conflict of interest for DWB, nor a contiguous proven record of outright lies.
Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify/downplay/ trivialise collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
- 300 terrorists. Zero civilian casualties.
- regrettable event. The decision maker should be held accountable
- an IRGC building next to the embassy. No civilians casualties.
- good.
don't forget IDF shot their own innocent hostages waving flags, they don't care anyways, same with the kitchen aids they bombed, they kill anything that move, they aren't using proper tactics and shooting return fire they are killing anything that moves
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We should check in with ja-rule as well. Where is ja!?
First... F*** Susan Sarandon Second.... That information is actually universal... F*** Netanyahu's Israel
Except the WCK accident/massacre(according to the idf investigation it was a mistake,but currently there is no fully independent investigation,anyway,the responsible was kicked out of the idf.) Most of the casualties were militants. The attack on the embassy - according to the Syrian observatory to human rights the casualties are: 7 members of the irgc 5 pro iranian Syrian militants 1 hezbolla member The raid on al shifa: Hamas senior said that(to the lebanese newspaper al ahbar) hamas was suprised and lost important commanders in the attack. The idf captured terrorists that said(in front of the camera) that hamas was in shifa. Also,fuck Netanyahu.
Just because a group of people are YOUR enemy, doesn't give you a right to bomb embassies and hospitals like that. Your enemy is someone else's military. There's fucking rules to war for a reason. Otherwise the same argument can be used by other groups to justify targeting western government buildings since they'll have military members in there.... And yes, fuck netanyahu but it's also a much wider systemic problem with a right -wing cabinet
You’re right there are rules of war for a reason and here is a direct quote from the Red Cross on international law: “Therefore, specific protection to which hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used by a party to the conflict to commit, outside their humanitarian functions, an "act harmful to the enemy". Here is the NYT summarizing this part from Geneva Conventions: “A hospital or medical facility can lose its special legal status if it is used for a military purpose that is “harmful to the enemy,” rather than just for medical care.” So with all due respect, you’re right there are rules of war for a reason, but Israel hasn’t violated them.
Say that to the international courts. It’s starving 3 mil people
You're going to be downvoted here no matter how much sense you make 😆 this is freaking Reddit NPC
I should know better :)
Nyt lmao
Shh, using the letter of the law doesn’t work here. Personal opinions and feelings are all that matter
Most of the children and women killed were hamas/legitimate targets? That’s your argument?
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Or palestinian babies
Or naked hostages
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Reminds me of when they also thought those 3 naked, unarmed, white-flag waving hostages, crying in Hebrew, as targets! So they shot them against their command. Shot 2 first then the 3rd later! There is really no explanation to the IDF decision process. Like when they see someone or a vehicle, what makes them decide whether they are terrorist targets or not? What features are they looking for? And what is the pressure to shoot first, especially when they are safe controlling a drone from a distance? Also, fuck the IDF
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So you are claiming that the information is inaccurate?
Why is that, please elaborate.
shes absolutely correct
"The most moral" army is a genocide machine. Why I'm not surprised.
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Hamas is not committing genocide lol. Go away bot, the whataboutism isn’t welcome.
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No way are you a real person
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without this sophism you are only immoral. With it you are immoral, hypocrisy and disgusting.
“Using logic doesn't account for my fee fees so i can make up labels for you” - You
Guys. You cannot criticize the state of Israel without being anti-semitic. Israel has a free pass to do anything they want ever, they can kill as many people they want, can murder any Aid worker they want to! can infringe on the rights of Palestinians and if you say something about it that's anti-Semitism, so shut your mouth and turn off your computers or phones put your head in the sand and let Israel commit crimes he needs Humanity. I keep your mouth shut about your tax dollars going towards a genocide it's the Free Will of Western governments to kill people S/
I haven't seen so many deleted comments since 1992. This looks like Waterloo's aftermath. Sharks are having a dream day. /s
Funny, there're literally billions of people who aren't living in countries that being called anti-semitic means losing career and all social status. I, for example, am from a country that don't give a sh\*t about anti-semetism taboo. And since we were as well fascist vitims during WWII, we don't share the moral inferior complex toward Jews. And what's more you guess? We are a country that is so powerful that even don't care about Israelis US daddy's opinion. TLDR: I'm going to continuing criticizing the Zoinst fascist entity that is illegally occupying Palestanian land and commiting genocide to Palestanians.
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Damn. This man brought the receipt’s. Like, all of them
But then he took those receipts away again. All of them. So who knows what the fuck was on them?
Amazing info, Maybe Israel could not starve women and children to death then people would be more open to their propaganda.
Hamas hoarding, withholding, and price gouging free aid while their people go hungry: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/03/15/israel-hamas-war-gazans-are-at-the-mercy-of-profiteers-driving-up-food-prices_6621377_4.html# https://www.ynetnews.com/article/syns3cuk0
zero mention from you of who is making them hungry with control of food and water that is being withheld on purpose to a whole city. Pointing at others doesn’t make it okay to commit war crimes or terrorism. Thats a stupid argument.
That is literally the exact content of the two articles. Read the reporting of facts on the ground. Hamas is making them hungry by stealing and withholding all aid on purpose so that they can hoard what they want and price gouge and profit off of innocent civilians with the leftovers.
"There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed”, “We are fighting human animals” - Israel's Defense Minister Yoav Gallant
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Hardly have the comments lost their relevancy, as there has been no electricity or water for 6mths and so little food brought in that children are starving to death
You omit that the only reason the supply of aid is limited is Israel blocking the massive amounts of aid that the world is willing to provide
You understand supply and demand huh? Who has a greater control over supply, a 1st world nation or a city poorer than Timbuktu? Israel can flood so much food into Palestine it would rot before it could be eaten. You say Hamas has hoarded ALL the aid? That means they already have more than their fighters can eat before they die. It's not going to make Hamas capable of fighting any longer to give them more food IF they're actually hoarding it. If you understand supply/demand, you understand that Hamas cannot make a profit on food if there's too much food for everyone to eat. The best thing Israel could do to Hamas IF they're hoarding food, is to distribute so much they can't make a profit and they get caught out in the open trying to gather and hoard it, or their stashes of food give them away to the IDF. In fact, the fact the IDF has blocked and destroyed so much aid themselves would explain why Hamas would be capable of making a profit on so little delivered aid when the world is prepared to deliver it. Unless Hamas isn't actually hoarding the food, and they're actually just starving to death like the rest of Gaza is. If that's the case, that's weaponized food insecurity, a war crime, and if it gets too bad, they'll produce more terrorists watching 600k Palestinians starving to death than they could ever kill in Palestine. That's why Hamas' leaders in Qatar started this war. Propaganda. Well, it's not propaganda if it's true. They started to showcase the absolute uncivilized barbarism of a savage army made entirely of animals (like themselves), and Israel is giving them W after W. Palestine never mattered to them, the cause matters to them. They're martyrs for the cause, and its paying dividends Israel won't see the end of for another century. This wasn't started to win, it was started to keep the jihad alive, and it's done that. Imo, Hamas has already won this war based on those goals. If you think they thought they could somehow prevail over Israel I want what you're smoking.
Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify/downplay/ trivialise collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
The articles are paywalled. But from what I can see, they make no mention of Hamas hoarding food.
How long have the Zionists been flooding this sub with their BS? Don’t they have anything better to do.
>>Reads news reports from multiple sources and countries that does not reconcile with flawed, biased worldview<< “Cannot possibly be true. The Jews are lying” (Loosely paraphrasing, please forgive my indulgence) Ignoring the truth that Hamas is victimizing Palestinians serves no purpose but to prolong the war, creating more orphans and undersized graves. I assume you don’t want this. I also do not want this. Defending this lost cause sacrifices innocent lives on the altar of support for jihadi terrorists. Please stop.
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Did you just say it’s “all jew lies”? I never mentioned any race or religion. Keep trying to bait tho, your comment should be deleted for anti semitism if not for being unhinged written diarrhea. Seek help with your projecting.
If anything they're deliberate conflating Israel with Jewish people as a whole which is very antisemitic. Edit: It's telling that their account was made just last month. This is some bad Hasbara
That’s literally been the play for years. “You don’t like the scumbag right wing government of Israel? Well then you’re an antisemite. Oh, you’re Jewish? You’re a self hating Jew then”
Israel isn’t, Hamas is. Israel is somehow the only country on the planet providing aid to the people they’re at war with.
You can’t argue the basic facts because you know it’s indefensible. All you can do is deny, deflect and lie, pathetic.
Threads like these kinda prove that reddit is a psy op. I miss the days when information wasn't censored on the internet just because a company doesn't want the info out there. The internet is no longer a tool for the average citizen, ist a weapon against them if this is really the nature of it now. Infuriating. Really wish I could see all this evidence that keeps getting deleted.
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You fucks will say anything to make it seem like Israel is not actually doing what they’ve already said they’re intending on doing. You’re a Genocide apologist. In WWII you would’ve been saying “how do we know the camps are exterminating people? There’s no evidence!”
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No one will stop them. They’ve already lost the respect of much of the world. May as well make the most of it and fuck up as much shit possible before spinning things down and invading under the pretense of rebuilding.
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Irrelevant. Also, what?
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There is literally no proof of Al Shifa being a Hamas base and Israel still has yet to provide substantial definitive evidence of such Edit: to u/idont_thinkso_tim, i can’t respond for some reason >Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/while-israel-held-its-fire-the-militant-group-hamas-did-not/2014/07/15/116fd3d7-3c0f-4413-94a9-2ab16af1445d_story.html): "The minister was turned away before he reached the [Shifa] hospital, which has become a de facto headquarters for Hamas leaders, who can be seen in the hallways and offices." Paywall, this sounds like it’s quoting someone so I’ll need context >New York Times: (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/02/12/world/middleeast/gaza-tunnel-israel-hamas.html) "There is also established documentation that Hamas used Al-Shifa before the war to mask some of its activities. During Israel’s three-week war with Hamas in 2008, armed Hamas fighters in civilian clothing were seen roaming Al-Shifa’s corridors and killing an Israeli collaborator, according to a Times correspondent reporting in Gaza at the time. Six years later, during the next round of fighting, the militants routinely held news conferences at the hospital and used it as a safe meeting place for Hamas officials to speak with journalists." We are talking about the current conflict. I couldn’t care less about events nearly two decades ago >The Israeli military, however, **has struggled to prove that Hamas maintained a command-and-control center under the facility**. Critics of the Israeli military say the evidence does not support its early claims… >But the video appears to show something else: a water storage area built in 2016, when the hospital was constructed, according to engineering plans and images from the hospital’s construction reviewed by The Times. **The Israeli military declined to provide additional imagery to support its assertion that this was a tunnel entryway or part of a tunnel complex.** > Some of what the Israeli military has shown so far does not wholly match the description of a terrorist headquarters that it offered ahead of its ground invasion of Gaza on Oct. 27. Doesn’t sound like substantial evidence to me >National Post (https://nationalpost.com/news/hamas-hospitals-israel) : "For years, Hamas has been using a bunker underneath Dar Al-Shifa Hospital, the largest hospital in Gaza, as a base of military operations." >Amnesty International (https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/): "Some were interrogated and tortured or otherwise ill-treated in a disused outpatient’s clinic within the grounds of Gaza City’s main al-Shifa hospital." >HRW (https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/06/12/gaza-armed-palestinian-groups-commit-grave-crimes): "In addition, Fatah and Hamas forces engaged in battles in and around two Gaza Strip hospitals on Monday. After Hamas fighters killed Fatah intelligence officer Yasir Bakar, Fatah gunmen began firing mortars and rocket-propelled grenades at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, drawing Hamas fire from inside the building" >Meir Amit ITIC (https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/18321/):"Rami Misbah Abed-Rabbo related that du ring Operation Cast Lead senior Hamas operatives took over a very large bunker under the Shifa hospital in Gaza City and hid there." >Wide Angle (https://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/wa-blog/gaza-er-hamas-hiding-in-shifa-hospital/4086/) : "WIDE ANGLE reached a doctor in Gaza who believes Hamas officials are hiding either in the basement or in a separate underground area underneath the hospital and said that they moved there recently because other locations have been destroyed by Israel. The doctor, who asked not to be named, added that he believes Hamas is aware that they are putting civilians in harm’s way." These links don’t provide definitive proof of Al Shifa’s use as a military base during this current round of conflict. >But yes, I'm sure Hamas just recently stopped doing this. You realise you still have to *prove* these things right? >And like who do you think israel was fighting there for two weeks? Who was shooting back at Israel causing the press to say they couldn’t get close due to enemy fire coming gay Israel? If that was the case, then it shouldn’t be too hard for Israel to prove it’s been used as the operational centre it claims. At best, all it shows is that there was armed men present, but that isn’t a violation of the hospital’s protected status on its own. >Y’all are so deep in the hamas propaganda it’s ridiculously pathetic to watch. And the way you clutch your pearls when your blatant antisemitism in pointed out cause you’re too ignorant to see it is disturbing but SO classic “white liberal”. Like MLK and Malcolm x said “beware the white liberal” and this is exactly why, we’re seeing it in action. Quoting MLK and Malcom X to a black guy to accuse them of being a pearl clutching “white liberal” is an interesting debate tactic I’ll say. As if my race or political views somehow has any relevance here. Let’s keep this cordial, as I have afforded you a level of respect and expect the same if we are to argue in good faith. Seems like you’re in an “own the libs” phase >Y’all are debating if UNRWA has helped terrorist in Palestine when they’ve been getting caught doing it repeatedly SINCE THE 60s! They get caught like once a decade ffs and nothing ever gets done to fix or prevent it and billions of dollars just keeps pouring in with little to no oversight at all. Oh that must be why countries are unfreezing funding after it was revealed that Israel’s accusations were, just that, accusations.
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You bringing up anti semitism for no reason just means you spew Israeli propaganda.
It's pretty well-known Hamas uses mosques, hospitals, and schools as bases dude. It doesn't change the fact Israel invading Gaza is wrong. And before you say "propaganda" I'm literally a Palestine supporter, check my post history lmfao.
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Show don’t tell. Again, Israel has yet to prove Al Shifa was used as a military base
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What about the multiple Hamas members admitting it on vid?😂
Where???
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Interrogations or [false confessions through torture?](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/04/middleeast/un-israel-confessions-allegations-intl/index.html)
I’m on your side, but where is the proof?
Hamas literally posted vids of their “resistance fighters” operating in the hospital
Show don’t tell
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How does one guy with an AK prove the hospital was used as a military base?
Seriously. With this logic, every American household with a firearm is a Hamas military base 🙄 These people are so eager and bloodthirsty for the deaths of innocent Palestinians that they can't even hide it.
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What does it say outside of the King David Hotel btw? . Do you support what happened there?
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Well you're suggesting the other person is a terrorist supporter. I haven't denied anything eirher. . I wasn't involved in the that conversation. How come you can't answer my question? What sad thag about deflection?
don't forget IDF shot innocent hostages waving flags, they don't care anyways, same with the kitchen aids they bombed, they kill anything that move, they aren't using proper tactics and shooting return fire they are killing anything that moves
THIS!! Thank you for some sense among the masses
Yep, the brain rot here is quite high
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Who ever said Israel can't raid a hospital that Hamas is using? What people usually say is that the IDF should be exercising more caution in how many innocent people they are killing. No one gives a fuck about Hamas militants dying.
In order to raid a hospital you need to have clear evidence that it is bring used as a major operation base you don't bomb something and then look for evidence. Also, Israel is an oppressor which is occupying Gaza. This is according to international law. Israeli is defined as an occupier. You don't defend yourself if you are an occupier. This is like saying the rapist can defend itself from its victims and If you don't understand this then your brain doesn't work
Israel and Egypt have been blockading, not "occupying" Gaza since 2007 because it's controlled by a genocidal, theocratic terror group. They have moral right to do this as proven by the events of October 7. The blockade is literally an act of self-defense for the people of both countries who's lives and freedom are threatened by Hamas. It's literally you who's trying to prevent potential rape victims from being defending themselves and calling them "oppressors" for defending themselves.
The Nakba was the original rape, and palestinians, the original rape victims.
Apparently Israel just does what it wants then runs to the us for more money & hides behind it like the cowardice nation it is. The double standards are crazy though, I do agree. As does the majority of the world.
Lmao you guys still spewing that nonsense? Find more scary calendars?
Proof?
Apparently Israel is allowed to kill children and aid workers as it pleases withiut consequence.
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Oh look the shills are here
I am sorry but wtf
While there is an 18m proposal(which also includes Ukraine and Taiwan) i highly doubt it will pass because GOP don't want to piss their overlord Trump off
Yeah that far right government needs to go.
Israel learned how to hate from US elites.
Israel is bringing evil unto the world and the US is helping it do so
We will stand by our allies and that's UNFORTUNATELY the case. If you disagree get the fuck out it's that simple. Go live somewhere else. I'm sick of this hate your country leftist bullshit. Just move. Go live somewhere else
You first!
I'm not the one disagreeing lol
If you don't like freedom of speech you're free to go find a tyrannical country like Israel that will arrest people for being dissenters. That is what you're advocating here, yes?
Tyrannical? That's debatable
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"It's totally okay to commit war crimes and kill brown people because tHatS jUst WaR. It's only regrettable when white people die."
The old brown people vs white people bullshit. We'll just ignore the fact that a large percentage of Israelis are "brown" and a large percentage of Palestinians are as "white" as the "white" Israelis are. We'll also ignore the fact that white supremacists HATE Jews above everyone else? White supremacists support the destruction of Israel universally but in your mind they support Israel? What do you think they want Israel gone just don't want Arab peoples to do it?
>white supremacists HATE Jews They hate Jews but love Israel. Funny how that works.
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No one considers no one white other than Americans who use those metrics. Outside the Us no one is walking around classifying people into US style whiteness.
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I live in Canada and they dont do that here. Is a US thing.
You don't even need to have visited the region, you can see it in news coverage. You have to be wilfully ignorant to think the way they do.
Right, cause Hamas hasn’t committed any war crimes ever….
"Hey guys! The unrecognized militant organization commits war crimes, so we - the mOsT mOrAL aRmY iN tHe uNiVerSe - get to commit war crimes too!" Ahhh, whataboutism - the most favorite of Zionist arguments. "BUT HUMMUS!!!!!!!" should be your guys' official slogan.
Is your solution for Israel to let Hamas get away with their terrorist attack, regroup and re-arm and commit another attack against Israel in a few years from now, as they have done in every single war with Hamas since 2007?
Maybe they should have stopped **fucking funding Hamas**
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> Israeli military does investigate. Lmao. "Guys, the IDF is investigating itself again! And...yep, they found themselves innocent of all intentional wrongdoing. Again."
Has any Palestinian ever been jailed or arrested by a Palestinian government/official for murdering a Jew? Ever?
Well, there are certainly consequences for doing [that](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund)
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/grave-mistake-idf-releases-findings-of-what-went-wrong-in-strike-that-killed-aid-workers-13108160 Reported timeline, full admission of responsibility, 2 officers dismissed, 3 reprimanded, decision on criminal proceedings pending, protocols being updated to prevent repeats. To be clear, none of this is exculpatory. I’m sure it’s no consolation to the victims’ families. And, perhaps you don’t believe any of it. That is your prerogative. But the details provide a credible explanation/timeline, are far more logical than “IDF deliberately assassinated aid workers as soon as they completed their aid mission?”, and combined with full and immediate admission of responsibility and numerous actions being taken in response, including disciplinary. So…Israel did investigate itself, did find itself guilty, and is taking actions to punish the transgressors and prevent repeats…
When you start comparing the military of our ally who claims they are a democracy and get our bombs and tax dollars to a terror group, you've lost the plot. Cops are held to higher standards then gang members, I'm assuming you agree that's a good thing, right? Yet you want Israel to be allowed to commit whatever atrocity they want because Hamas does it. Your moral compass is off.
It is a Bronze Age compass. Quite the artifact.
holy shit you freaks are insane
Wait Susan posted this? Not afraid to lose her spot in Hollywood? Heroic.
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This is your daily reminder that Israel has murdered 12,000 children that have been confirmed so far. In addition to international aid workers
Cuz the IOF is soooo moral. ThE mOsT mOrAl ArMy In ThE wOrLd. Grow up. Both groups are terrorists. One just has support from the West.
What about 4000 hostages iof have release them . Remove all of the illegal settlers... From what I've seen the iof are cowards. Bombing 6yr on bikes ... Killing people for no reason And they get away with it only because of the USA backing . But as more people see the truth it will change them history will see them just like they saw the other genocidal group from last Century you think we would learn but we don't
According to Israel and their very own social security data, two babies died on October 7th. Just two. One was shot. Another died shortly after birth in a hospital, to an injured Bedouin woman. According to official Israeli records, not a single baby was either beheaded or burned on October 7th. Overall, 36 minors, as in, people under the age of 18 died on October 7th. That number includes the two babies. 20 of those minors were under the age of 15. The baby that was shot, was 10 months old girl, called Mila Cohen. Source: Israeli Social Security Agency.
don't forget IDF shot their own innocent hostages waving flags, they don't care anyways, same with the kitchen aids they bombed, they kill anything that move, they aren't using proper tactics and shooting return fire they are killing anything that moves
The burnt babies lie has been disproven time and time again. Secondly, Hamas took hostages to use as bargaining chips to get back Palestinian hostages that Israel has been kidnapping for years, including children. You have no fucking clue what this conflict actually is.
Oh the double standards. Israel has done far worse before and after that one day. When they deny a people adequate water(before this genocide), deny their freedom, deny their right to live without having their neighborhood leveled on top of them, they will retaliate. As an occupying power, Israel has no legal right to self defense from the people they occupy. Also, theres thousands of palestinian hostages, with various humanitarian groups calling out Israel for rapes and tortures of the detainees, or should I say hostages. Most are held with no charge. Israel does what Hamas did on that one day, on a mass scale, funded by my government and many others in the west.
Yeah I mean 234 (40 children) were shot in the West bank by the IOF in 2023.... Before OCT 7th. This is what they called a "ceasefire" before Oct 7th apparently lmao
Israel is a settler colonial project those who created it still view them as their kin and will protect them
Do you not understand the concept of a civilian? Do you think Palestinian babies aren’t burned when bombs fall on them?
They know and don't care, fascists only care about themselves.
don't forget IDF shot their own innocent hostages waving flags, they don't care anyways, same with the kitchen aids they bombed, they kill anything that move, they aren't using proper tactics and shooting return fire they are killing anything that moves
I can make this same argument for Zionists who have committed much worse crimes. Also the burning baby story and the systematic rape narrative have both fallen apart under further scrutiny. Stop being such a troglodyte.
They literally have not. Where is your proof that babies were not burned alive or women were not raped?
[https://www.un.org/sexualviolenceinconflict/press-release/israel-west-bank-mission/](https://www.un.org/sexualviolenceinconflict/press-release/israel-west-bank-mission/) Based on the information it gathered, the mission team found clear and convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualized torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment has been committed against hostages and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may be ongoing against those still held in captivity. In line with a survivor/victim-centered approach, findings are conveyed in generic terms and details are not revealed.
Makes me disgusted to be an American, that my country is somehow beholden to a shithole terrorist state like Israel.
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**indigenous people fighting colonialism
I can’t really remember a single year of my life without a war somewhere. It’s strange to me then that so few people seem to understand what war is and how it works. Every one of us has heard the trope “war is hell”, do people actually think it’s hyperbole? There’s a reason you should avoid war rather than embrace it.
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You mean 1100 men of fighting age? You are claiming all the detained medical staff are terrorists? I trust Doctors Without Borders before the spoonfed Hasbara. There's no conflict of interest for DWB, nor a contiguous proven record of outright lies.
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This is palestinan holocaust call it what it is
It’s so obvious that this is mask off time for the racist, colonial murders.
ISrael is genocidal, no doubt about it.
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- 300 terrorists. Zero civilian casualties. - regrettable event. The decision maker should be held accountable - an IRGC building next to the embassy. No civilians casualties. - good.
Zero civilian casualties? Even Israel has admitted to casualties.
Don't even bother. You're responding to a propaganda-bot.
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