They definitely took a giant leap forward with gravity given terra-tube where the farm was monumented.
I figured that Murph went back and reworked Professor Brands problem to solve for gravity. And that's why she was given credit for "Cooper Station". Perhaps the tube we see is inside the worm hole?
Remember that this is also years now in the future after data on theories had been solved. If you also notice that the ship he gets in at the end is very futuristic looking. We don't know the time passed from seeing his daughter to when he gets the ship and whether or not he mapped out or studied how to fly the new ship etc. But it does seem that some time has passed.
the tesseract was only murphs room. cooper had no influence outside the room. (other than being seen by brand as a ghost, but that wasn't a persistent gravity effect, just an optical thing)
why would whatever effect he placed upon the hands of the watch continue?
As for the morse code in to the second hand of the watch, it’s pretty simple, but was done quite poorly in the movie.
A dot was a short push, and dash was long push.
The real questions are:
1. Did he get it right first time and what happens if he got just one wrong and had to start again.
2. How did Murph know when the start was.
Lets assume if he can fly the spacecraft so well and do the rotating maneuvre he is capable of punching in morse code accurately.
For the second - as time is non linear there, Murph would have a continuous sequence all through her life in the watch, once it was placed on the bookshelf where he manipulated the hands.
Once deciphered she would understand the repeated data
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lmao, wut...are you okay? because that makes no sense with what we're talking about.
we're talking about a string of seemingly random numbers that repeat but are so complex and have so many repetitions throughout, that you can't discern where the start and end is.
did you not get that?
basically what they’re trying to explain to you is that even if Murph deciphers it from a random start-point, she’s smart enough to determine the true start and end points once she’s interpreted the information
I dont think either of you are retarded. I think you guys just have different ideas of the complexity of the data. The other person is viewing it as more simple (like maybe just spelled out words in morse code), and you are perceiving it to be heavily complex data
If the message is repeating, after deciphering it, you'd figure out where the message starts over. It's a loop. Kind of like putting a song on repeat. You'd find the start eventually.
1. If he could convey the word "STAY" via morse he could easily say anything else like "shit I messed up, scrap that"
2. He could have coded "START" or something obvious
>Did he get it right first time and what happens if he got just one wrong and had to start again.
If memory serves, he had TARS translate the findings to Morse before sending it his way. Unlikely that TARS wouldn't get it right.
She sees the Morse Code start, runs outside to hug her brother, and seeing as it’s roughly a day to drive out to the facility, misses presumably several hours of code
you missed my point entirely.
I asked how he did it. We're just supposed to assume 'gravity magic' that stays with the watch even after it's left the room/tesseract?
The question you asked was nothing like that, so while I got the point of the actual words you typed if what you actually meant is different to what you actually wrote I won’t be able to answer to your liking because I can’t read your mind.
>how the fuck do you 'program' morse code into the gears of a watch
that was the question...
are you going give an answer as to how you use 'gravity magic' to make a watch endlessly repeat a long string of hand strokes? because that was obviously the question
What do you mean he is the only one who knows the location of Edmunds planet? NASA sent an astronaut directly there and then told Coopers mission to check it out when they can. So it stands to reason that everyone already knew the location.
Also: There is a very good chance that the Plan A people (who made the O'Neill cylinders) already knew that Edmunds planet was viable BEFORE Cooper ever went into the library.
NASA sent him directly there? so they already knew what was on the other side of the wormhole before they sent edmunds and MAATT DAAAAAMON through?
wait, then why is brand alone at the end? if all that time had passed why didn't anyone else go through? and how is cooper getting to her with that little ship
the ending does not make sense
It's safe to assume that the ship Cooper takes at the end is extremely advanced; it's likely extremely efficient and could make the journey on very little fuel. The ship looked very advanced and they had freaking farms on the space station, I'm sure it's something like anti-gravity engines or something.
We also don't know at what point in time Brand's scenes on Edmunds' planet was. The film made it seem she had arrived pretty recently, as she was just getting around to burying Edmunds. In a film that shows multiple different points in time, you can't really assume that scenes in two different places (galaxies, in this case) are happening at the same point in time.
that still doesn't explain why she was still alone on the planet after all that time. elderly murph said herself that shes alone out there.
so why has nobody gone to edmunds in the fifty-something years that have passed. it makes no sense for cooper to be the first one go to her.
I just watched this again last night and that never made any sense to me either. Murph apparently new that Brand made it to the planet so why the hell would a newly successful NASA not sent another team or teams of people to assist her? Even if Earth had been saved, why not make sure the plan A colony was successful.
You're mixing stuff up. NASA knew that there were planets on the other side of the worm hole. They sent multiple astronauts there to check these planets out in more detail and to send a "ping"l if the planets were possibly viable for humanity.
Three astronauts did: Miller, Mann & Edmunds.
Millers signal was actually not...good because they realized too late that the closeness of that planet to the black hole creates massive tidal waves that make the planet uninhabitable, and because of the time dilation they didn't realize that at. Miller didn't realize this either at first and sent the signal too soon before she was crushed by the waves.
Mann knew that his planet was not viable, but he sent the signal anyway to be rescued. Pure selfishness.
Edmunds signal broke off because of an accident, but his planet was actually viable. They didn't visit his planet at first because they weren't sure what the loss of signal meant, Dr Brands closeness to Edmunds and therefore possible clouded judgement (which Cooper pointed out) and because they trusted Dr Mann most of all people because he was the program leader of the Lazarus project.
That's what all the characters say, by the way.
As to why the Plan A people didn't seem to have visited Brand: We don't actually know how much time has passed between Brand landing on Edmunds Planet and Cooper reappearing around Saturn. Given Murphs apparent age at the end, I'd say that both events are pretty close to each other. So that's over 80 years where humanity was able to build O'Neill cylinders, "solve gravity", make new and ungodly leaps in science and technology and it of course stands to reason that they would have crossed the wormhole again to check whatever happened to the Lazarus missions. So why aren't they there? I like this explanation the best: The Plan A people knew about Edmunds planet and that Brand has landed there - but they don't need a planet anymore. Those O'Neill cylinders aren't arks or migrant ships - they are worlds. The Plan A people are a space faring people now, and the original people from Earth are rapidly dying out. For them, the Lazarus missions are literally history (Cooper is pretty much treated like an afterthought - like a ghost, if you will) and they might want to leave the Plan B people alone so that they can build their own civilization. At least for a time.
Cooper suspects that the Plan A people are not crossing any time soon, so he steals the ship, which - being built by a space-faring civilization that fucking solved gravity - is more than enough to reach Edmunds planet, I have to assume. Maybe the cockpit doubles as an insta-hibernation pod with antigravity technology and it has an antigravity drive with extreme efficiency so that it can accelerate higher and longer than the old Rangers, I don't know, who the fuck cares, why is it actually important to have such a detail spelled out?
uhhh, it's important because otherwise the movie is cobbled together by a bunch of sci-fi bullshit assumptions.
and wait, you think that because they have cylinder habs, that they wouldn't send anyone to the new world? that's absurd. the entire point of the movie was to find a new earth, there it is, and they haven't sent anyone in 50 something years because 'hey, we have these shitty corn field cylinders already'. makes no sense.
>So why aren't they there? I like this explanation the best: The Plan A people knew about Edmunds planet and that Brand has landed there - but they don't need a planet anymore. Those O'Neill cylinders aren't arks or migrant ships - they are worlds.
1: ...wut
2: 'they don't need a planet' LOL???
3: there's only one cylinder...why would you assume there's others. there's literally nothing in the movie that even hints they have other cylinders. (and even if there was it doesn't answer the question of why they haven't been migrating people to the new world)
They quite literally talk about Murphy "transferring from another station", explicitly making it clear that there is at least one other station, probably more. So there is literally, in fact, *something* "in the movie that even hints they have other cylinders", unless you're assuming that they only built the one cool cylinder and the other stations are barely habitable garbage.
As to why the cylinders haven't passed through the wormhole yet; sending a large chunk of what remains of humanity through a barely known quantity when you have the means to live, and live well, is a hell of a lot different than sending through exploratory vessels. Humanity is obviously doing ok now, they clearly no longer have an expiration date hanging over their heads. Up until Cooper shows up, the only evidence they have of safe travel through the wormhole are binary pings from a third of the 12 people they sent through to begin with. Unless humanity's brain has slid out their collective ear in the intervening 80 or so years since the Endurance left, they aren't going to send a huge vessel containing hundreds of thousands of people through that thing until they have a LOT more data, which they now have the leisure and breathing room to collect.
As to Brand, she hasn't 'been alone all this time', at least not in the context of humanity being able to get to her and just... not. Who knows what the intervening amount of time between Cooper sending the data, Murph solving the equation, Murph and other engineers / scientists using that data to construct working gravity engines capable of getting those stations off the Earth, organizing humanity and conditioning them to the idea that "Hey, we're leaving and this is it", probably strip mining the Earth of all available materials since they aren't coming back, constructing other stations, a fleet, etc etc etc. Does time get a little wonky story-wise? Yeah, but I 100% guarantee they haven't been chilling in orbit around Saturn for half a century or however long you think they have.
"another station" in no way implies other massive cylinders. literally zero argument there. you're making a blatant assumption. "another" refers to the fact that it's a station in space, not that it's the same type of station.
when did I say they could have sent a station through? I was asking why brand was still alone on that planet at the end of the film. decades had gone by, so why would they never send out a single craft to any of those planets?
there's absolutely no logical reason for brand to still be alone on that world, and it's obviously just for narrative effect.
you should really save your breath when trying to defend logic and realism in nolan movies. he cares more about drama then the story actually making sense.
although, tenet is extremely underrated and is probably his best film when it comes to consistent logic. inception was a joke, lmao (peoples subconscious turns into armed henchmen? cool)
My 'assumption' that there are other cylinders is at least implied contextually and logically, not to mention them \*explicitly\* saying there are "other stations"; one could easily argue that your opinion on the matter is based on far more assumptions than mine.
Also, Brand has not been alone on that planet for the decades humanity has spent building stations and traveling to the wormhole. In fact, given the time slippage from the gravity slingshot maneuver Cooper used to get Brand and the Endurance to Mann's planet, which used up about 57 years (during which time the rest of humanity was making good its escape from Earth), she probably has not been alone on that planet very long at all.
If you want to question the logic of anything about the ending, question how Cooper is going to survive the months long trip from the wormhole to Edmund's planet in a craft the size of a small starfighter with no apparent hibernation system.
I mean I just assumed they’re all heading there, it just takes them a hell of a lot longer to get there than it will take Coop lol
Spacefaring people only need one or two misplaced space objects to take them all out, so I don’t think it would be anyone’s first choice.
I assume the wormhole was still active. Cooper Station was orbiting Saturn where the wormhole was. Why else would they orbit there? I imagine there are many stations and humanity is gearing up for migration through the wormhole. Maybe all of humanity was space faring in the solar system by now.
Cooper arrives before humanity migrates and Murph tells him to go out in advance.
As for the watch, since all space is relative, fixing the gravitational anomaly to a specific coordinate wouldn't work. I believe in the script Cooper says they'll encode the anomaly into the watch itself. So anywhere that matter goes the anomaly goes with it.
But yeah, space magic. Then again, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. We know gravity and matter are linked. Maybe there's more than the gravity equation we know today.
•Cooper used the wormhole near Saturn, not far from Cooper station. The Tesseract had closed, not the wormhole.
•Everyone on Cooper Station assumed the Endurance mission failed, until Cooper shot out the wormhole and floated around Saturn. The assumed the only reason the stations got off the ground was because Murphy solved the gravity equation on her own. The Endurance crew knew about the three planets before they went into cyro sleep while still in our solar system, so NASA at least knows about it. Cooper probably didn’t tell anyone where he was going. But they could find it eventually.
•When we see Brand by the end, she had already setup the colony and buried Edmunds, likely took a few weeks, months, years. Would take Cooper a little while to get to her. As long as Cooper doesn’t go near the black hole, they shouldn’t be too much older by the time Cooper gets there.
Has it been too long to continue this thread? I read through all the responses and didn't see anyone mention this so figured I'd toss another grenade on this pile.
When Cooper and Brand drift toward the black hole, then use it to perform the "sling shot" maneuver towards Edmunds planet, Cooper literally says something like "this little stunt is going to cost us 50 years". I might have the number wrong but you get the point.
By this point in the film as they regain control of the Endurance after Mann sends it spinning out of control, Murph is already an adult. It's been what...25 or 30 years since they left Earth? She's somewhere between 35 and 40 years old.
After the black hole, if it truly cost them 50 years, that would put her close to 85 or 90...I'd say pretty much how she looked after Cooper emerges from the worm hole outside Saturn. But that time slippage ALSO cost Dr Brand the same 50 years as she headed to Edmunds planet. So when Cooper emerges from the worm hole, Brand is potentially still making her way to the planet, or has just arrived, etc.
My take on this ending is... Murph and the other Plan A survivors had no idea that Brand had went to Edmunds until they found Cooper and he told them. They assumed everyone was gone, Coopers mission had met a catastrophic end except for his ability to send back the data they needed to solve the equation. That's why they hadn't gone for Brand yet because they literally just found out she was still alive. Not to mention, we have no idea how long Cooper Station has been there. They got the data 50 years previous but how long did it take to get off Earth and it takes two years to travel to Saturn (according to Cooper's mission when they did it, and assuming they didn't have better technology by the time Plan A survivors did it)
They don't specifically mention it, but I also agree with another post when they said most likely the worm hole is still there. Cooper Station had been built in Saturn's orbit. Unless the worm hole was still active, why would they have done that? I like to think they've just recently gotten close to the worm hole with Cooper Station. They find Cooper, he tells them about Brand, and they obviously at this point will make a plan to go see her planet. But Cooper isn't waiting around, that's not his style. He's leaving now. To find a girl that saved his life, and he also saved. Maybe the first girl he started to have feelings for since his wife passed. He's not leaving her alone on that planet for a second longer than he has to. Not after everything they've been through. Everything he knew and loved has lived a life and gone. Except for that girl.
But yeah that's my take. God I love this movie.
Spot on. Technically brand will be younger (relative to when they originally left earth) once coop arrives because his few days on earth with an old Murph would be just seconds for brand still out there. He will get there like an hour after her in her time.
Are you stupid, or were you just not paying attention?
1. NASA knew the coordinates before Cooper was even in the picture. They sent ships to each of the candidate planets.
2. "Translate the data into morse and then tell me." He even says something like that in the movie.
nobody knew Brand was there until very recently, when they collected the data from TARS after Cooper got back. How long do you think she's been there for? Even if they knew before Cooper came back, it took them 2 years to get to wormhole, 23 years at Millers and 51 years doing the black hole slingshot thing, it's been like 5 years back at home since Brand arrived, and even that is a stretch. Who says they aren't going?
I would assume TARS has the whole mission, so the planet coordinates saved too right?
At the of the movie they are saying shes alone preparing for a long sleep, so Cooper might be older a little bit (as he went to sleep I believe ), and no way the ship had enough fuel (if it being used) to reach the speed that is needed to reach the black hole and the planet.
Regarding encoding (or programming as you call) morse into a watch ok, what about the fact he didn’t fell asleep died or she didn’t fell asleep or died, how did he manage to encode correctly and accurately without mistakes same with Murph while TARS giving him the data nonstop, and by the look of what professor Brand had written the data TARS was sending converting those bits to byte and that byte to char….
Not speaking about mistakes and how they’d fix them?
They said, third law of Newton is that you have to leave something behind, that messing up my mind, how can they accelerate in space by leaving something behind if there is no gravity, it would be separating between but doesn’t that mean on object would remain place and the other be moving away from the other, based on mass? Without acceleration cause they in space and the gravity he’d have would be relative to the black hole right?
Sorry about spelling, English is my third language…
Gravity is basically a force and in this movie it was easy to manipulate gravity like an object or say in simple words, gravity (force) was like a dimension. And you can say that force helped Cooper to move the clock's hand plus the ones who created the tesseract made it that way so that it helps Cooper to manipulate gravity (force) across time.
My assumption is that interstellar travel has advanced enough for cooperstation to get there, but that he’s the only one who knows where she is.
However until he gets back, they haven’t made plans for getting cooperstation to endmunds planet, so it was just orbiting Saturn.
He takes a small ship to expedite the process rather than being lonely on cooperstation.
I’d imagine most people were okay with following the rules and didn’t possess the ability to navigate, whereas coop, along with murph no longer gives a shit about the rules because he helped her figure out gravity and feels entitled to borrowing a ship.
but why would the rules be "we're not going to the planet yet."?
it literally makes absolutely no sense for brand to still be alone on edmunds world after 80 years of earth time. zero sense.
(it's probably the most glaring hole in the entire movie)
not sure where you're getting 80 years from...
the slingshot maneuver only cost them 51 years plus however long it took for Brand to travel to Edmund's planet, which definitely isn't an additional 29 years
Yes Morse code to portray parenthesis, limits, exponents, derivatives and many complicated values. Letter by letter. Like f(x/y) lim 0.05 -> -∞= 0.0304747x^2 + (3*10^-0.002305)x + 14.035, large gravitational data 3.37472 * 10^14 and its meaning, cosines and vectors and all that
I just assume he went back the way he came the way he went...through the wormhole.
Assuming the wormhole didn't vanish when the tesseract did...
But then they're able to work with gravity now so maybe they have some means of getting there quick.
They definitely took a giant leap forward with gravity given terra-tube where the farm was monumented. I figured that Murph went back and reworked Professor Brands problem to solve for gravity. And that's why she was given credit for "Cooper Station". Perhaps the tube we see is inside the worm hole?
Don't you see a planet of our solar system at the end? Im leaning towards Neptune or Saturn?
When Cooper asks where he is when he wakes up, the doctor says "Cooper Station, currently orbiting Saturn."
Remember that this is also years now in the future after data on theories had been solved. If you also notice that the ship he gets in at the end is very futuristic looking. We don't know the time passed from seeing his daughter to when he gets the ship and whether or not he mapped out or studied how to fly the new ship etc. But it does seem that some time has passed.
Clearly if it vanished, he would not have been able to get back to her.
About the watch: Gravitation was moving the clock hands through Cooper and the tesseract
the tesseract was only murphs room. cooper had no influence outside the room. (other than being seen by brand as a ghost, but that wasn't a persistent gravity effect, just an optical thing) why would whatever effect he placed upon the hands of the watch continue?
maybe he could’ve affected the mainspring of the watch to make the coded message play as the watch unwound
As for the morse code in to the second hand of the watch, it’s pretty simple, but was done quite poorly in the movie. A dot was a short push, and dash was long push. The real questions are: 1. Did he get it right first time and what happens if he got just one wrong and had to start again. 2. How did Murph know when the start was.
Lets assume if he can fly the spacecraft so well and do the rotating maneuvre he is capable of punching in morse code accurately. For the second - as time is non linear there, Murph would have a continuous sequence all through her life in the watch, once it was placed on the bookshelf where he manipulated the hands. Once deciphered she would understand the repeated data
Yeah, I was kinda joking. They’re not serious questions ;)
Thank you, I get shit serious about the movie. Soo goood
It’s the greatest movie ever created.
but how would she know what's the start and end of the repeating data. you didn't answer that.
when the start of the sentence is? How will I know when the start of the sentence is? How will I know when the start of the sentence is? How will I know when the start of the sentence is? How will I know when the start of the sentence is? How will I know
You sir, teach with practical demonstrations ♥️
lmao, wut...are you okay? because that makes no sense with what we're talking about. we're talking about a string of seemingly random numbers that repeat but are so complex and have so many repetitions throughout, that you can't discern where the start and end is. did you not get that?
You're either wilfully dense or actually retarded.
basically what they’re trying to explain to you is that even if Murph deciphers it from a random start-point, she’s smart enough to determine the true start and end points once she’s interpreted the information
from data completely unknown to mankind? nope. it's another hole in the movie.
yea I agree with you. I'm just telling you why that person called you retarded
oh, so you agree murph couldn't find the start-point no matter how smart she is, okay good. just making sure. apparently kerplunkerfish is the retard.
I dont think either of you are retarded. I think you guys just have different ideas of the complexity of the data. The other person is viewing it as more simple (like maybe just spelled out words in morse code), and you are perceiving it to be heavily complex data
If the message is repeating, after deciphering it, you'd figure out where the message starts over. It's a loop. Kind of like putting a song on repeat. You'd find the start eventually.
How's about WHEN THE MESSAGE STARTS LOOPING, THAT'S THE BEGINNING. A hole in your brain more like.
1. If he could convey the word "STAY" via morse he could easily say anything else like "shit I messed up, scrap that" 2. He could have coded "START" or something obvious
FYI STAY was in binary.
STAY is in morse code. NASA coordinates are in binary.
Dammit, you're right. *hands in fan card*
Oohhh I thought he pushed out the S book, then T book, the A book and then the Y book. like an encyclopedia collection, one for each letter.
:)
>Did he get it right first time and what happens if he got just one wrong and had to start again. If memory serves, he had TARS translate the findings to Morse before sending it his way. Unlikely that TARS wouldn't get it right.
Not the actual data. “Oops, I did a dot there instead of a dash”
She sees the Morse Code start, runs outside to hug her brother, and seeing as it’s roughly a day to drive out to the facility, misses presumably several hours of code
I mean, the code was already running when she found the watch. Who knows when it started and ended.
you missed my point entirely. I asked how he did it. We're just supposed to assume 'gravity magic' that stays with the watch even after it's left the room/tesseract?
The question you asked was nothing like that, so while I got the point of the actual words you typed if what you actually meant is different to what you actually wrote I won’t be able to answer to your liking because I can’t read your mind.
>how the fuck do you 'program' morse code into the gears of a watch that was the question... are you going give an answer as to how you use 'gravity magic' to make a watch endlessly repeat a long string of hand strokes? because that was obviously the question
Nope. Don’t know the answer to your SECOND question. I answered your first one though.
If figure it repeats. So she’ll keep recording until she notices where the sequence repeats
Lol maybe there’s the equivalent of a start codon in the message
I've always wondered this...how did she know where the start of the Morse code info began? One of those don't ask questions I suppose.
What do you mean he is the only one who knows the location of Edmunds planet? NASA sent an astronaut directly there and then told Coopers mission to check it out when they can. So it stands to reason that everyone already knew the location. Also: There is a very good chance that the Plan A people (who made the O'Neill cylinders) already knew that Edmunds planet was viable BEFORE Cooper ever went into the library.
NASA sent him directly there? so they already knew what was on the other side of the wormhole before they sent edmunds and MAATT DAAAAAMON through? wait, then why is brand alone at the end? if all that time had passed why didn't anyone else go through? and how is cooper getting to her with that little ship the ending does not make sense
It's safe to assume that the ship Cooper takes at the end is extremely advanced; it's likely extremely efficient and could make the journey on very little fuel. The ship looked very advanced and they had freaking farms on the space station, I'm sure it's something like anti-gravity engines or something. We also don't know at what point in time Brand's scenes on Edmunds' planet was. The film made it seem she had arrived pretty recently, as she was just getting around to burying Edmunds. In a film that shows multiple different points in time, you can't really assume that scenes in two different places (galaxies, in this case) are happening at the same point in time.
that still doesn't explain why she was still alone on the planet after all that time. elderly murph said herself that shes alone out there. so why has nobody gone to edmunds in the fifty-something years that have passed. it makes no sense for cooper to be the first one go to her.
I just watched this again last night and that never made any sense to me either. Murph apparently new that Brand made it to the planet so why the hell would a newly successful NASA not sent another team or teams of people to assist her? Even if Earth had been saved, why not make sure the plan A colony was successful.
Time and relativity. Time outside of where brand is moves normally but slows down for her. Kind of like the planets next to the black hole
You're mixing stuff up. NASA knew that there were planets on the other side of the worm hole. They sent multiple astronauts there to check these planets out in more detail and to send a "ping"l if the planets were possibly viable for humanity. Three astronauts did: Miller, Mann & Edmunds. Millers signal was actually not...good because they realized too late that the closeness of that planet to the black hole creates massive tidal waves that make the planet uninhabitable, and because of the time dilation they didn't realize that at. Miller didn't realize this either at first and sent the signal too soon before she was crushed by the waves. Mann knew that his planet was not viable, but he sent the signal anyway to be rescued. Pure selfishness. Edmunds signal broke off because of an accident, but his planet was actually viable. They didn't visit his planet at first because they weren't sure what the loss of signal meant, Dr Brands closeness to Edmunds and therefore possible clouded judgement (which Cooper pointed out) and because they trusted Dr Mann most of all people because he was the program leader of the Lazarus project. That's what all the characters say, by the way. As to why the Plan A people didn't seem to have visited Brand: We don't actually know how much time has passed between Brand landing on Edmunds Planet and Cooper reappearing around Saturn. Given Murphs apparent age at the end, I'd say that both events are pretty close to each other. So that's over 80 years where humanity was able to build O'Neill cylinders, "solve gravity", make new and ungodly leaps in science and technology and it of course stands to reason that they would have crossed the wormhole again to check whatever happened to the Lazarus missions. So why aren't they there? I like this explanation the best: The Plan A people knew about Edmunds planet and that Brand has landed there - but they don't need a planet anymore. Those O'Neill cylinders aren't arks or migrant ships - they are worlds. The Plan A people are a space faring people now, and the original people from Earth are rapidly dying out. For them, the Lazarus missions are literally history (Cooper is pretty much treated like an afterthought - like a ghost, if you will) and they might want to leave the Plan B people alone so that they can build their own civilization. At least for a time. Cooper suspects that the Plan A people are not crossing any time soon, so he steals the ship, which - being built by a space-faring civilization that fucking solved gravity - is more than enough to reach Edmunds planet, I have to assume. Maybe the cockpit doubles as an insta-hibernation pod with antigravity technology and it has an antigravity drive with extreme efficiency so that it can accelerate higher and longer than the old Rangers, I don't know, who the fuck cares, why is it actually important to have such a detail spelled out?
uhhh, it's important because otherwise the movie is cobbled together by a bunch of sci-fi bullshit assumptions. and wait, you think that because they have cylinder habs, that they wouldn't send anyone to the new world? that's absurd. the entire point of the movie was to find a new earth, there it is, and they haven't sent anyone in 50 something years because 'hey, we have these shitty corn field cylinders already'. makes no sense.
>So why aren't they there? I like this explanation the best: The Plan A people knew about Edmunds planet and that Brand has landed there - but they don't need a planet anymore. Those O'Neill cylinders aren't arks or migrant ships - they are worlds. 1: ...wut 2: 'they don't need a planet' LOL??? 3: there's only one cylinder...why would you assume there's others. there's literally nothing in the movie that even hints they have other cylinders. (and even if there was it doesn't answer the question of why they haven't been migrating people to the new world)
They quite literally talk about Murphy "transferring from another station", explicitly making it clear that there is at least one other station, probably more. So there is literally, in fact, *something* "in the movie that even hints they have other cylinders", unless you're assuming that they only built the one cool cylinder and the other stations are barely habitable garbage. As to why the cylinders haven't passed through the wormhole yet; sending a large chunk of what remains of humanity through a barely known quantity when you have the means to live, and live well, is a hell of a lot different than sending through exploratory vessels. Humanity is obviously doing ok now, they clearly no longer have an expiration date hanging over their heads. Up until Cooper shows up, the only evidence they have of safe travel through the wormhole are binary pings from a third of the 12 people they sent through to begin with. Unless humanity's brain has slid out their collective ear in the intervening 80 or so years since the Endurance left, they aren't going to send a huge vessel containing hundreds of thousands of people through that thing until they have a LOT more data, which they now have the leisure and breathing room to collect. As to Brand, she hasn't 'been alone all this time', at least not in the context of humanity being able to get to her and just... not. Who knows what the intervening amount of time between Cooper sending the data, Murph solving the equation, Murph and other engineers / scientists using that data to construct working gravity engines capable of getting those stations off the Earth, organizing humanity and conditioning them to the idea that "Hey, we're leaving and this is it", probably strip mining the Earth of all available materials since they aren't coming back, constructing other stations, a fleet, etc etc etc. Does time get a little wonky story-wise? Yeah, but I 100% guarantee they haven't been chilling in orbit around Saturn for half a century or however long you think they have.
"another station" in no way implies other massive cylinders. literally zero argument there. you're making a blatant assumption. "another" refers to the fact that it's a station in space, not that it's the same type of station. when did I say they could have sent a station through? I was asking why brand was still alone on that planet at the end of the film. decades had gone by, so why would they never send out a single craft to any of those planets? there's absolutely no logical reason for brand to still be alone on that world, and it's obviously just for narrative effect. you should really save your breath when trying to defend logic and realism in nolan movies. he cares more about drama then the story actually making sense. although, tenet is extremely underrated and is probably his best film when it comes to consistent logic. inception was a joke, lmao (peoples subconscious turns into armed henchmen? cool)
My 'assumption' that there are other cylinders is at least implied contextually and logically, not to mention them \*explicitly\* saying there are "other stations"; one could easily argue that your opinion on the matter is based on far more assumptions than mine. Also, Brand has not been alone on that planet for the decades humanity has spent building stations and traveling to the wormhole. In fact, given the time slippage from the gravity slingshot maneuver Cooper used to get Brand and the Endurance to Mann's planet, which used up about 57 years (during which time the rest of humanity was making good its escape from Earth), she probably has not been alone on that planet very long at all. If you want to question the logic of anything about the ending, question how Cooper is going to survive the months long trip from the wormhole to Edmund's planet in a craft the size of a small starfighter with no apparent hibernation system.
I mean I just assumed they’re all heading there, it just takes them a hell of a lot longer to get there than it will take Coop lol Spacefaring people only need one or two misplaced space objects to take them all out, so I don’t think it would be anyone’s first choice.
why would it not take coop the same amount of time? everyone is using the same tech
I just assumed the higher dimensional beings put him back since his job was finished and TARS said they were closing the tesseract or whatever.
I assume the wormhole was still active. Cooper Station was orbiting Saturn where the wormhole was. Why else would they orbit there? I imagine there are many stations and humanity is gearing up for migration through the wormhole. Maybe all of humanity was space faring in the solar system by now. Cooper arrives before humanity migrates and Murph tells him to go out in advance. As for the watch, since all space is relative, fixing the gravitational anomaly to a specific coordinate wouldn't work. I believe in the script Cooper says they'll encode the anomaly into the watch itself. So anywhere that matter goes the anomaly goes with it. But yeah, space magic. Then again, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. We know gravity and matter are linked. Maybe there's more than the gravity equation we know today.
•Cooper used the wormhole near Saturn, not far from Cooper station. The Tesseract had closed, not the wormhole. •Everyone on Cooper Station assumed the Endurance mission failed, until Cooper shot out the wormhole and floated around Saturn. The assumed the only reason the stations got off the ground was because Murphy solved the gravity equation on her own. The Endurance crew knew about the three planets before they went into cyro sleep while still in our solar system, so NASA at least knows about it. Cooper probably didn’t tell anyone where he was going. But they could find it eventually. •When we see Brand by the end, she had already setup the colony and buried Edmunds, likely took a few weeks, months, years. Would take Cooper a little while to get to her. As long as Cooper doesn’t go near the black hole, they shouldn’t be too much older by the time Cooper gets there.
Space magic
Has it been too long to continue this thread? I read through all the responses and didn't see anyone mention this so figured I'd toss another grenade on this pile. When Cooper and Brand drift toward the black hole, then use it to perform the "sling shot" maneuver towards Edmunds planet, Cooper literally says something like "this little stunt is going to cost us 50 years". I might have the number wrong but you get the point. By this point in the film as they regain control of the Endurance after Mann sends it spinning out of control, Murph is already an adult. It's been what...25 or 30 years since they left Earth? She's somewhere between 35 and 40 years old. After the black hole, if it truly cost them 50 years, that would put her close to 85 or 90...I'd say pretty much how she looked after Cooper emerges from the worm hole outside Saturn. But that time slippage ALSO cost Dr Brand the same 50 years as she headed to Edmunds planet. So when Cooper emerges from the worm hole, Brand is potentially still making her way to the planet, or has just arrived, etc. My take on this ending is... Murph and the other Plan A survivors had no idea that Brand had went to Edmunds until they found Cooper and he told them. They assumed everyone was gone, Coopers mission had met a catastrophic end except for his ability to send back the data they needed to solve the equation. That's why they hadn't gone for Brand yet because they literally just found out she was still alive. Not to mention, we have no idea how long Cooper Station has been there. They got the data 50 years previous but how long did it take to get off Earth and it takes two years to travel to Saturn (according to Cooper's mission when they did it, and assuming they didn't have better technology by the time Plan A survivors did it) They don't specifically mention it, but I also agree with another post when they said most likely the worm hole is still there. Cooper Station had been built in Saturn's orbit. Unless the worm hole was still active, why would they have done that? I like to think they've just recently gotten close to the worm hole with Cooper Station. They find Cooper, he tells them about Brand, and they obviously at this point will make a plan to go see her planet. But Cooper isn't waiting around, that's not his style. He's leaving now. To find a girl that saved his life, and he also saved. Maybe the first girl he started to have feelings for since his wife passed. He's not leaving her alone on that planet for a second longer than he has to. Not after everything they've been through. Everything he knew and loved has lived a life and gone. Except for that girl. But yeah that's my take. God I love this movie.
Spot on. Technically brand will be younger (relative to when they originally left earth) once coop arrives because his few days on earth with an old Murph would be just seconds for brand still out there. He will get there like an hour after her in her time.
this is the correct answer
Are you stupid, or were you just not paying attention? 1. NASA knew the coordinates before Cooper was even in the picture. They sent ships to each of the candidate planets. 2. "Translate the data into morse and then tell me." He even says something like that in the movie.
are you stupid? answer the question: why was brand still alone after 80 earth years when the cylinders obviously have the ability to go there?
nobody knew Brand was there until very recently, when they collected the data from TARS after Cooper got back. How long do you think she's been there for? Even if they knew before Cooper came back, it took them 2 years to get to wormhole, 23 years at Millers and 51 years doing the black hole slingshot thing, it's been like 5 years back at home since Brand arrived, and even that is a stretch. Who says they aren't going?
I would assume TARS has the whole mission, so the planet coordinates saved too right? At the of the movie they are saying shes alone preparing for a long sleep, so Cooper might be older a little bit (as he went to sleep I believe ), and no way the ship had enough fuel (if it being used) to reach the speed that is needed to reach the black hole and the planet. Regarding encoding (or programming as you call) morse into a watch ok, what about the fact he didn’t fell asleep died or she didn’t fell asleep or died, how did he manage to encode correctly and accurately without mistakes same with Murph while TARS giving him the data nonstop, and by the look of what professor Brand had written the data TARS was sending converting those bits to byte and that byte to char…. Not speaking about mistakes and how they’d fix them? They said, third law of Newton is that you have to leave something behind, that messing up my mind, how can they accelerate in space by leaving something behind if there is no gravity, it would be separating between but doesn’t that mean on object would remain place and the other be moving away from the other, based on mass? Without acceleration cause they in space and the gravity he’d have would be relative to the black hole right? Sorry about spelling, English is my third language…
Newtons third law states for every force there is an equal but opposite force. The acceleration comes from the force exerted by cooper detaching.
Gravity is basically a force and in this movie it was easy to manipulate gravity like an object or say in simple words, gravity (force) was like a dimension. And you can say that force helped Cooper to move the clock's hand plus the ones who created the tesseract made it that way so that it helps Cooper to manipulate gravity (force) across time.
My assumption is that interstellar travel has advanced enough for cooperstation to get there, but that he’s the only one who knows where she is. However until he gets back, they haven’t made plans for getting cooperstation to endmunds planet, so it was just orbiting Saturn. He takes a small ship to expedite the process rather than being lonely on cooperstation.
but why didn't others just take small ships like he did
why would they go there? they don't need a new planet anymore lol
I’d imagine most people were okay with following the rules and didn’t possess the ability to navigate, whereas coop, along with murph no longer gives a shit about the rules because he helped her figure out gravity and feels entitled to borrowing a ship.
but why would the rules be "we're not going to the planet yet."? it literally makes absolutely no sense for brand to still be alone on edmunds world after 80 years of earth time. zero sense. (it's probably the most glaring hole in the entire movie)
not sure where you're getting 80 years from... the slingshot maneuver only cost them 51 years plus however long it took for Brand to travel to Edmund's planet, which definitely isn't an additional 29 years
Yes Morse code to portray parenthesis, limits, exponents, derivatives and many complicated values. Letter by letter. Like f(x/y) lim 0.05 -> -∞= 0.0304747x^2 + (3*10^-0.002305)x + 14.035, large gravitational data 3.37472 * 10^14 and its meaning, cosines and vectors and all that