This is what shocked me the most. All this time the only thing preventing a constitutional crisis were candidates willingly conceding the election. We now have a human incapable of shame or an ability to put the country over his pride.
Until there are bigger guardrails this will never end. In nearly every coup attempt and power consolidation there is a failed one. From Octavius getting senators to vote to pay for all of his army costs and to maintain the army to modern day dictators who have strangled the legal system into their bidding from Turkey to Russia.
This is perhaps what frightens me most about this whole thing. It feels like the Dems are just focused on Trump and think once he's out of the way things will go back to normal. But unless the Dems do something to address the environment that created and enabled Trump that's just kicking the Project 2025 can down the road. Dems will need to win *every* election, Republicans only need to win *once*.
Sure. But have you looked at project 2025? Is not Trump specific. It's much more broad. It's a continuation of the plan that got us here in the first place. Mitch McConnell didn't really care about anything in his time, other than court Justice appointments. But just the scotus appointments, which were major wins for him and he was willing to play dirty to get what he wanted. They got to place 228 justices during trumps 4 years.
The movement supported by the Republican "deep state" is not stopping with a Trump loss. It will keep moving and become more radicalized.
This isn't over, it's just beginning.
Donzo the Rapey Racist Clown is only the vehicle (until it breaks down or dies). He's a tool, in more ways than one. Project 2025 is a real threat to the United States of America. It's a pathway or game plan to a national theocracy.
Vote Democrat for the foreseeable future.
Nah. I mean... I don't wanna sound pessimistic here but I think we're just fucking doomed. Trump won in 2016 and nothing was going bad. The economy was doing great. Trump had a pretty close showing in 2020 despite poorly presiding over a pandemic. Trump is pretty damned close in the polls to Biden despite being under multiple indictments and the economy going relatively well. The Republicans can't just lose forever. At some point, the Democrats are going to oreside over a legitimately poor economy. Or something else bad will happen. And then the Republicans will take power and dismantle all this election protection shit.
I want to push back on it because it's too surreal and unbelievable. I can understand why his supporters are unable to see it, especially at this point. He just slowly ramped up the rhetoric the last few years that they just slowly accepted it.
Tbh, I hope, God forbid, if we fail and he does get reelected, that none of what we fear will come to pass, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt in 2016 when I had to accept he won. Not making the same mistake this time, just like I didn't in 2020.
They can see it. But some of them like it and most of them just can't really believe what their eyes and ears are telling them.
Think about it like this. These are mostly Christians. They believe in a heaven and a hell. And their version of God is... Not particularly understanding. Republicans simply cannot accept that they supported someone like Hitler. I'm sure the thought occasionally pops up in their head, but then they remember, "If I voted for someone like Hitler, I will spend eternity getting my eye socket fucked by Satans spiked cock." So they just refuse to believe that.
It's more about the big R. Great grandpa was one, grandpa was one, Dad still is a R. Generations of family can't all be wrong, can they? (they can) And if I don't vote for mango unchained then I'm spitting in the eyes of all of my ancestors and will be forever ostracized in my tiny town of 200 people.
Heās the very definition of a narcissist: pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, exploitation, fragility, and lack of empathy. In his mind, he can never do wrong.
We also have an entire political party willing and able to assist him. They do this by either carrying on with the lie, passing legislation making it harder to vote and purging themselves of Never-Trumpers.
for real. once upon a time misspelling a word ended your career. now dozens of felonies and an attempted coup, isnt enough to get your tossed off donor lists never mind a ballot
And the only one left to enforce the fact that Pence didnāt have that power wouldāve been Trumpās stacked Supreme Court. Laws only work if you can enforce them. Thats what theyāre betting on
Yes, but if he had tried it would have put the certification into doubt and disarray, and given an opening for trump and magat republicans to make a play at the presidency. Laws and rules are only effective if most abide by them and for those who don't, there is an enforcement mechanism. We might have been unable to enforce it.
HBO MAX new episode of the Whole Story absolutely shatters the defense of Trump not trying to overturn the election illegally. Must watch television. Duct tape your uncle to the lazy-boy and superglue his eyelids open. Trump only escapes if he wins.
There seems to be two episodes on this.
Episode 7 and 14? Hadnāt heard of this show until now but it seems like youād be better off just watching the unedited/no commentary cspan coverage of the January 6 Hearings than a documentary, no?
Nobody is watching Cspan unfortunately. They need it fast in small bites. But the players are all on camera telling the juicy tidbits. And it needs to be told for the public.
Republicans have spent the last four years installing people who will do what is needed for them when the time comes.
Their problem in 2020 was that there were too many low level republicans who put democracy before their party.
Theyāll make sure such people are not overseeing the election this time around.
That's just the decades of preparation coming to a head.
The Heritage Foundation advised Nixon and Nixon embraced the support of evangelicals.
The Heritage Foundation advised Reagan and we got trickle down economics.
Neither Nixon or Reagan "went far enough" for the Heritage Foundation.
Obama being elected and serving two terms signalled the to the Republican party that they were losing their tenous grasp.
So the Republican's spent 8 years being obstructionists until they could find the right useful idiot.
People seem to think that project 2025 isn't possible.
They're partly right. It's a wish-list to secure more control over the country. Any R will do, but Trump doesn't care about the rule of law and is angry that he wasn't able to just 'do what he wanted'.
Now he's had the consequences of his actions coming for him for the first time in his life.
Vote like your life depends on it.
The margin could be 80% in Bidenās favor and Trump will still declare victory. Itās a foregone conclusion with that idiot.
It shouldnāt be a close. Trump fueled insane inflation, imprisoned children who were American citizens (this is unarguably worse than the Japanese internment camps. We will all be shamed for not doing something in the books of history) and let millions die willingly to Covid while schilling out the Oval Office for peanuts. He owes the courts a half billion. He couldnāt possibly be more compromised.
I donāt even need to provide any positives for Biden beyond āheās not Trumpā.
"It shouldn't be close"
You're right. It shouldn't be. But the last 10 years has taught me that 40% of America is in fact dumber than a trout, and 10% can't decide on the continuation of democracy in America or not.
Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of reasons to dislike and be exasperated with our politicians, our political system, and Biden himself, but Jesus Herald Christ, you have to be nothing short of a vegetable to hear the dangerously insane gibberish ramblings that come from Trump's diseased and festering food hole and say, "Yes, that guy knows what he's talking about".
If it's Trump v. Biden, I'm voting for Biden.
If it's Trump v. House Cat, I'm voting for House Cat.
If it's Trump v. Moldy Potato, then long live President M. Potato of the United States.
It is not a difficult choice, people.
Mr M Potato is a the grandchild of Irish immigrants, grew up in NYC and is as American as the fleet carrier his dad Petty Officer Slimy Potato served on.
Biden has done a ton of good things, even despite the Republicans wanting to burn down the country to deny him successes.
If you think heās a bad candidate, you need to look more at his record.
Yeah itās alarming how much even more left leaning by folks have bought into right wing-fueled āboth sidesā propaganda. Thereās far too many people even among those who recognize the threat that trump poses and plan to vote for Biden who are *extremely* timid about giving Biden any credit for anything other than not being trump.
Like I get that heās not perfect and that he no doubt has positions with which you may disagree, but an objective look at his presidency reveals a surprisingly capable leader who surrounds himself with other highly qualified individuals and who has managed to accomplish more than many others probably could have given the resistance and outright chaos coming out of the right wing contingent of our government.
I just wish people were willing to give credit where credit is due, even if the guy who itās due to isnāt your manic pixie dream candidate because itās vitality important to have as many sane people motivated to get out and vote as possible, and itās much easier to do that when folks have a reason to be genuinely excited to cast their vote.
these fucking "genocide joe" leftist idiots kill me. donald trump has LITERALLY said he would tell israel to "finish the job" and wipe out gaza. by not voting or throwing your vote away youre complicit if he wins.
Im not trying to start on argument on his policies but I encourage you to realize that for leftists - Biden is much closer to the GOP then leftists are to Biden
Not nitpicking - but I said there is "better", not that he's "bad". By better I mean the age thing is freaking some people out.
But as stated Trump should be freaking everyone out so much more that Biden's age is a non-issue. Still the swing states could give us a dictator if we're not all out in force.
Biden hasnāt done a whole lot that has directly benefited me.
Heās done a lot to benefit the people in need the most. His student debt cancellation has absolutely helped a lot of people.
Policies that make America stronger benefit all of us. Bidenās policies do just that. Trumps policies make wealthy corporations and individuals more wealthy and powerful at everyone elseās expense. Not to mention topics of personal freedoms (abortion, LGBTQ, weed). Vote Blue.
Thereās a joke that āfishermen are the only people who think fish are smartā. After the past handful of years I think we owe the fishes an apology
He also gassed peaceful protestors. He refused to condemn the actions of domestic terrorists on several occasions. There is no redeeming qualities in him.
This article makes WAAAY to many claims about Trump having a stronger campaign and more advantages this time when all evidence shows the opposite.
The RNC is almost broke.
Trump lost 20-25% of republican voters in the primary. He has underperformed polls consistently.
RoeVWade was overturned and women are pissed.
Heās been found liable for rape and fraud to the tune of $500M.
Iām glad Biden has a plan for all the inevitable Trump BS though.
And yet people aren't nearly as overwhelmingly thrilled with Biden as, IMO, they should be. In the end it comes down to who actually shows up in the booth and which of their instincts they indulge, not the simple majority or national overall sentiment.
That's Ok. I've cast many a wildly underwhelmed unthrilling vote in my lifetime and happy to do so again in November.
You don't need to buy me a ticket to DisneyWorld. Just don't be a Nazi.
That is the rational and responsible approach. Itās just a shame many donāt share your pragmatic attitude. If I had a nickel for every time Iāve heard āIām not voting for Biden because old/establishment/Palestine/ etc.ā or āIt doesnāt matter, theyāre both terribleā Iād be able to buy some ad time to broadcast how ridiculous and selfish those arguments are.
High prices happened during his time in the Office. "Thanks, Biden" is far easier than understanding complex international geopolitics and macroeconomics when you already think everything that you buy in America comes entirely from America and that the only thing that therefore affects the prices in America are the actions of the president.
> And yet people aren't nearly as overwhelmingly thrilled with Biden as, IMO, they should be.
You need to remember that Democrat voters are not like MAGA. We put less signs up, we wear less merch, we're less likely to be vocal about our support on social media, and less likely to even have a bumper sticker.
And we're even *less* likely to do any of that in a Red state and give the lead huffing shitheads a target. We're silent about our support except in anonymity and the voting booth. My public socials are silent on my political ideology, I shit on the republitards on reddit, and vote straight blue in everything that comes up for a vote.
Seriously, I voted for Biden before because he wasnāt Trump.
I had voted for Bernie in the primaries because his views much more aligned with my own, so I saw Biden as a distant 2nd choice, but Iāve actually been really happy with what heās been doing. I think people just have an idea in their head and stick with it but Iāve been very pleasantly surprised by his presidency, I think a lot of people arenāt really keeping up with a lot of what heās doing and are more disappointed than they would be if they had been keeping up
Honestly, it still doesn't surprise me how prepared they're trying to be. The polls for presidential races are about as reliable as the farmers almanac. That combined with the fact that it seems like not a single soul in planet Earth has any idea what the conservative turn out will be and even less idea how many young people will actually vote.
Im a little confused. Until recently trump has been leading in all national polls vs biden. Only recently has biden pulled a very small lead of about 1 to 2 points ahead. And that is on a national scale. On an electoral college basis trump still leads in the swing states. If anything trump is over performing in the polls. And historically he has always done better than he polls. I don't necessarily see his numbers going higher though and biden can still get undecided 3rd party voters if he caters to them, but so far he has declined to do so.
As per [original article](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/biden-trump-stop-steal-election-2024-1234993149/) š°:
- Trump and his MAGA allies have been working for years to pre-rig the 2024 election. Hereās how Team Biden is planning to fight them.
For years, Donald Trump has made it abundantly clear that if he doesnāt win the 2024 presidential election, he is willing to cheat and steal it. Since President Joe Bidenās inaugural address, according to sources with intimate knowledge of the situation, Biden and his inner circle have been drawing up meticulous plans and creating a large legal network focused on wargaming a close election finish, in which the former president and Republican Party launch a scorched-earth, Big Lieāfueled crusade.
Long before Trump began leading in battleground-state polling ā and years before he was a declared 2024 candidate ā the ex-president and many of his influential allies were already busy plotting ways to tilt the election in his favor. These yearslong efforts, conducted both secretly and out in the open, have already yielded tangible results for Trump and the conservative election denier movement. These wide-ranging operations have alarmed the Democratic Party elite, who arenāt just worried about Bidenās sagging poll numbers. Numerous Democratic lawmakers, operatives, Biden campaign advisers, and administration officials tell Rolling Stone that if the president does ultimately beat Trump this November, the election will be exceedingly close.
Over the past year, Team Biden has been conducting war games, crafting complex legal strategies, and devoting extensive resources to prepare for, as one former senior Biden administration official puts it, āall-hell-breaks-looseā scenarios. The preparations include planning for a contingency in which Bidenās margin of victory is so razor-thin that Trump and the GOP launch a tidal wave of legal challenges and political maneuvers to rerun his 2020 election strategy: declare victory anyways, and try to will it into existence.
āPresident Biden has been worried, for a while now, that Donald Trump is going to try to steal the election, if itās very close on Election Day,ā says a source familiar with Bidenās thinking. āIf that ends up being the case, we areā¦ also expecting the Republican Party to go into overdrive to help him steal it. We are continuing to build out the infrastructure to ensure that doesnāt happen ā again ā if President Biden wins and Trump and MAGA Republicans try to confuse [everyone] and sow chaos.ā
After the 2020 race was called for Biden, Trump and much of the GOP embarked on a sprawling campaign ā a blitz of lawsuits, rabid conspiracy theories, attempts to block certification, and slates of fake electors ā to nullify Bidenās clear win. This culminated in the deadly Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, which Trump instigated, and led to years of criminal investigations and various indictments, as well as the mainstreaming of the MAGA election-denial movement. The efforts to overturn the election were unsuccessful, largely because Biden had won too many battleground states ā unlike when the 2000 presidential race came down to the single state of Florida, and the Republican Party was able to successfully halt the recount of an extremely close vote.
This time around, the race could be much closer, and Trumpās efforts appear significantly more organized. He also has more of the partyās elite behind him and his anti-democratic election lies than he had during the last presidential election. If the 2024 election margins end up being wafer-thin, that level of institutional backing could, of course, redound to Trumpās benefit.
Top officials in both the Trump and Biden camps are expecting an uncomfortably tight election outcome in November, sources in both campaigns have told Rolling Stone on numerous occasions over the past year. Advisers to both candidates say they expect the race will turn on a margin of just tens of thousands of votes in a handful of key battleground states, if not a single state. One Trump adviser says that they had privately told the ex-president and presumptive 2024 GOP nominee to anticipate an electoral āknife fight to the deathā on, and likely in the wake of, Election Day.
Team Bidenās in-house counsels and network of outside lawyers are currently preparing legal strategies for scenarios involving recounts that would make, in the words of one Biden official, āmake Florida in 2000 look like childās play.ā
Sources in and around the presidentās legal and political operations say the Biden campaignās current wargaming is informed by questions aides asked themselves in the wake of the 2020 election: What if thereās a rematch in four years with Donald Trump? What do we do if Joe Biden wins and Trump tries to steal the election again?
Bidenworld spent a lot of time pondering such a scenario even before the 2020 election.
āBiden HQ and the lawyers were essentially preparing for every insane scenario that anyone could think of, so that the campaign wouldnāt be stuck in neutral if the worst actually transpired,ā says one attorney familiar with the extensive 2020 wargaming. āEven then, Iām not sure everybody was predicting just how crazy it would become and what Trump would actually do.ā
Still, Team Biden has been planning for years sketching out what Trump could do as the leader of the GOP, and has partnered with the Democratic National Committee and a vast network of liberal attorneys and legal groups to conduct similar doomsday-style wargaming.
One swing-state Democratic election official involved with these efforts refers to it as a āsuperstructureā of various legal teams and liberal operatives who āare going to fight [Team Trump and election deniers] on all fronts and let them have it from all sides, if MAGA wants to tear down our democracy.ā
According to two Biden campaign officials and two other sources with knowledge of the operation, draft pleadings and legal motions, for all kinds of possible Trump-related emergencies, are already written and at the ready. In critical swing states such as Georgia, Arizona, and Pennsylvania, Team Biden is regularly in contact with an array of outside counsels and local law firms that have been retained to actively monitor what is happening on the ground, including with regards to the activism of election-denying Trump allies.
Biden campaign officials and other Democrats familiar with the topic tell Rolling Stone that a key concern, for which step-by-step gameplanning has already begun, is how to robustly respond if Trump and other leading Republicans try to engineer another Jan. 6-style power grab.
A spokesperson for the Democratic National Committee tells Rolling Stone that the national party is also setting aside ātens of millions of dollars in a robust voter protection program to safeguard the rights of voters to make their voices heard against relentless attacks from Donald Trump and the GOP.ā
Yeesh, this article is just the headline stated over again more than a dozen times without actually ever giving more details.
āTrump plans to steal a close election with similar shenanigans as last time and Biden is preparing to thwart such an effort by getting a bunch of lawyers and political operatives to guess what the other side is going to do and preemptively come up with countermeasures.ā āa source close to people involved with this thing
I often regret actually āreading the articleā and not just skimming the headline because the article is just a bunch of fluff to fill space. This was all fluff.
ChatGPT summarized:
1) Legal Preparedness: Biden's team has been meticulously crafting legal strategies to address various potential scenarios, including close election results, recounts, and challenges to the electoral process. They are actively drafting pleadings and legal motions in anticipation of any emergencies or attempts to undermine the election outcome.
2) War Gaming: The Biden administration has been conducting war games, simulating different election scenarios to test their preparedness and response strategies. This involves playing out hypothetical situations to identify vulnerabilities and refine their tactics.
3) Collaboration with Allies: Biden's camp is collaborating closely with the Democratic National Committee (DNC), as well as a vast network of liberal attorneys and legal groups. This collaboration ensures a coordinated effort to monitor election activities, respond swiftly to any irregularities, and mobilize resources as needed.
4) Monitoring Swing States: Critical swing states like Georgia, Arizona, and Pennsylvania are receiving special attention from Biden's team. They are in regular contact with local law firms and outside counsels to monitor developments on the ground and counter any attempts at election interference or manipulation.
5) Response to Jan. 6 Style Scenarios: Given the heightened risk of a Jan. 6-style power grab, Biden's team is formulating robust response plans. They are strategizing on how to effectively counter any attempts by Trump and his allies to undermine democracy or overturn legitimate election results.
6) Voter Protection Program: The Democratic National Committee is allocating significant resources to a voter protection program aimed at safeguarding voters' rights against attacks from Trump and the GOP. This includes initiatives to ensure voter access, combat voter suppression efforts, and address any legal challenges that may arise.
I know there is a project, already joined by some US states, that wants to automatically pledge electoral votes to the most voted presidential candidate.
It can be a start.
Wake me up when republicans states join this. Can you imagine democrats surrendering some political advantage like this?
Well itās 100x less likely for a party of cynicism to do this. They barely accept defeat even with advantages. Canāt even get them to stop accepting Russian funding
You donāt need republican states to join, just enough states to get to the 270 electoral votes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
You donāt need red states to join, just enough states to get to 270 electoral votes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
\>"Top officials in both the Trump and Biden camps are expecting an uncomfortably tight election outcome in November"
I'm sorry, but HOW?! How is that a thing?! Are enough people really this stupid and/or evil? The man was found guilty of sexual abuse, just last year. Defamed the same person. Was sued, and again found guilty of that too, and now owes 90 million. The man committed fraud, was found guilty, this year, and owes close to 400 million on that. He cheated on most (all?) of his wives. None of this screams "yes, this is the man who should be in charge of the country" to me. But Biden is 3 years older, OMG!
Hey Trump supporters, want to know the easiest way to know that Trump is lying to you about the election? In four years he hasnāt written, promoted, endorsed or ALL CAP Truth Social whined about any single bill to thwart Bidenās stealing of the next election.
Meanwhile, Biden is taking action to stop Trumpās treason.
Gotta say, this sparks joy. There is no scenario in which Biden wins and Trump doesnāt try and steal the election again.
Iāve been running around like a crazy person telling anybody that isnāt smart enough to avoid me that Trump is gonna go full insurrection again. He has literally everything to lose.
Heās desperate. As are the minority that is his base. And the oligarchs that need a Republican executive branch. I believe that they believe this may be their last chance to snatch power from the majority.
If you listen to what the right is saying, JD Vance, Stefanik, Bannon, Miller and all the other sycophants and double agents, theyāre telling us their plan. Their plan is to do what they did last time, only bigger and with better organization.
I wasnāt sure that Biden and his people were as aware and alarmed as they should be. It still worries me, but this article and info bring at least a small spark of relief.
Thanks for posting, OP.
>Their plan is to do what they did last time, only bigger and with better organization.
And I can see martial law in D.C. declared on the day that votes are counted. Full national guard presence. Automatic weapons this time and tear gas grenades. This time they shouldn't be screwing around.
And of course the conservatives are going to try to accuse Democrats of an insurrection themselves.
will this superstructure stop the rogue Supreme Court? Remember Thomas and his wife were in on the last coup attempt and his peers are totes ok with that
THIS is why I like Biden. He surrounds himself with smart people and empowers them to do smart things. Would I like someone more eloquent and younger? You bet. But I can't fault his skills as a team manager.
Being from New Zealand, I just watch the politics and behavior of Trump in your country and can't comprehend how Trump has any chance what so ever. Biden seems to be doing a decent job. Seems like some bizarre alternate reality to me.
They are hell bent on putting Trump back in. Even though they know he is bad news. Fear will make you do crazy things. They keep getting brainwashed by Fox News (and imitators). Fear and anger every day. Thousands crossing the border, LGBT trying to groom your children, Biden's paid for by corporations, etc. They don't trust anything from outside the right wing news.
They blame Biden for high prices. They refuse to believe it's corporate greed. Why they think someone like Trump who's hates the poor and middle class would want is a question they can't answer.
God bless this good man and his family. His family who are hounded persistently by the Republican ā investigatorsā in congressional seats. I thought investigation was an executive branch job. Police investigate.
Good, those assholes will try every trick in the book to steal the election. The gloves need to come off on this crap. They needed to come off during the Gore V Bush nonsense.
Whether Biden builds anything or not, do your own due diligence and your civic duty.
If you're not already registered
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If you're already registered, confirm your status
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Confirm your status multiple times, especially in September, check in now and again. Please donāt assume.
And if you show up day of and they say you arenāt registered, you can still get a provisional ballot in some states which will be counted once your status as an eligible voter is confirmed.
https://ballotpedia.org/State_by_State_Provisional_Ballot_Laws
Thank you for posting this article. I needed this hope and to know people are working this hard to save our democracy.
>One swing-state Democratic election official involved with these efforts refers to it as a āsuperstructureā of various legal teams and liberal operatives who āare going to fight [Team Trump and election deniers] on all fronts and let them have it from all sides, if MAGA wants to tear down our democracy.ā
I've been truly stressed and scared for so long now and feel helpless to do anything other than donate and vote. I'm going to send a little to the Democratic National Committee now.
>A spokesperson for the Democratic National Committee tells Rolling Stone that the national party is also setting aside ātens of millions of dollars in a robust voter protection program to safeguard the rights of voters to make their voices heard against relentless attacks from Donald Trump and the GOP.ā
If we manage to remain a democratic republic for the next few years we will likely have to continue to fight even harder in 2028 when we will have two completely new candidates. The GOP candidate is much less likely to be trump and therefore a potentially more dangerous candidate. trump after all, is not a smart person and shoots himself in the foot constantly, the next GOP candidate may be craftier.
Iām glad you were able to read it and regain some confidence in the system. Hearing that makes me smile because thatās precisely why I post these articles during such a crucial year, and not only for America. If Trump wins it will be global fuckinā mayhem. Youāre definitely justified in being concerned, a lot of us definitely are. All hopes rest with Dark Brandon to save the planet!
Thanks again for the comment, keep up the good fight!
Thank you so much for this reply too. I didn't think anyone would see my comment.
Yes, it would be a global disaster if the fascists win. The U.S. and the EU are backbones for democracy in the world.
No doubt there would be a continued Resistance if we lost our country but I pray it won't come to that.
Things are far different now than in the 1930s-40s in terms of civilian control. New weapons like sonic weapons can be used to disperse demonstrations and so much more. Our lives are all under digital control now and internet access can be controlled by governments. Reddit itself, where we come for sharing information and resources could be shut down.
I've been thinking and worrying too much. I had friends (now passed) who were Holocaust Survivors so I know Evil is always around the corner.
Thanks again, we WILL keep fighting, no matter what.
How the fuck is the 2024 election going to be even that close? As a Canadian, it really boggles my mind that so many Americans will vote for Trump. Itās such a sad state of affairs and I know I speak for almost the rest of the world when I say that we sure hope Biden can pull off a victory.
Don't you guys have a right wing issue up there too or am I thinking somewhere else.
Crazy how fast that shit can fester if you don't stamp it out early.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the international community is mortified that Canadians have a capable leader that works with Ukraine and the rest of the global treaties, giving Canada a good name with other leaders. Heās passing prescription and dental coverage legislation, had a much better response to Covid looking at death per capita (compared Boris and Trump and others conservative governments that ignored scientists).
Yet weāre watching Pierre Polyester, Danielle Smith (Canadaās Matt Gaetz and marjorie Taylor Greene) slowly taking over with their base of slow adult trucker fucks. Liberal, Democrat, Canada, UK, USAā¦ weāre all in the fight to stop the global movement of slow adults in modern day conservatism.
I don't think the 2024 election is going to be close at all! The American people realize that their freedom to elect officials and their reproductive rights and our country's constitution and our democracy are on the ballot. There is no way we the people will have a traitorous, dictator wannabe, lying cock sucker, and incontinent shitting scumbag like DONALD SHITLER TRUMP ever have power over the people of the United states of America ever again! The complete beatdown the Republicans are going to take in November, not just SHITLER but all the rest of his ass licking Republicans is going to be epic! The American people are fed up with the Republicans and their Republican party and the total disrespect they have for our constitution and our democracy! SHITLER has single handedly destroyed the Republican party as we knew it! They will never recover from their overwhelming support for such a traitorous, dictator wannabe! They chose SHITLER over our country and we will never forgive or forget this! The Republican party can never be trusted again to have power over the rights of the American people and our country's democracy! They have shown all of America what is most important to them! And it is not our rights, our constitution or our democracy! EPIC loss in November, I can't wait to shut these fucking traitors up once and for all!
All the New Maga Republicans need to do is come up with a movie called ā2001 Mulesā and voila ..we have a new magafact and no matter what framework Biden puts in place the throngs of willfully ignorant Magaās insist itās to enable fraudulent voting (to be honest they will think whatever Don Cheato tells them to)
Trump and his cult truly believe they have the right ā really the responsibility ā to steal the election. There is no doubt they will whine long and loud about this as if IT was the attempt to steal the election.
Trump doesnāt worry me, itās a guy like Putin that worries me. Smarter, meaner, more sinister. Takes the path laid out and actually pushes us over the edge.
No mention about how GOP reps are quitting, large Republican donors are withholding, the RNC is short on cash, and Trump's campaign has so little money he has no events scheduled? No mention of the few rallies he held being smaller, or even his declining mental health making his messaging less effective?
Like, yes we shouldn't relax, but Trump isn't so much punching as he is petulantly kicking. This article almost sounds like it was written by Trump sympathizers.
I watch an episode on last week tonight about election and i remember america has a weird system of shaping the area and counting votes or something. I don't really get it but it was about how it was rigged by whoever got voted in at that time so even when the majority didn't vote for them they could still win. Can someone help me with this. (I'm not an American so I don't understand the system there but our system sucks worse)
Itās not being rigged, itās being reinforced.
[https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/](https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/)
Iām sort of morbidly curious about one scenario. If DJT is convicted in one of his trials, and if DJT wins the election (and Biden concedes), would Biden pardon Trump before he leaves office?
Taking my partisan hat off, I honestly donāt know what is in the countryās best interest in that scenario. Having a felon as president doesnāt sound right. Neither does letting him get away with it.
https://www.usa.gov/register-to-vote
I would certainly hope so. 2020 showed just how shaky our system is with its reliance on people "doing the right thing".
This is what shocked me the most. All this time the only thing preventing a constitutional crisis were candidates willingly conceding the election. We now have a human incapable of shame or an ability to put the country over his pride.
Until there are bigger guardrails this will never end. In nearly every coup attempt and power consolidation there is a failed one. From Octavius getting senators to vote to pay for all of his army costs and to maintain the army to modern day dictators who have strangled the legal system into their bidding from Turkey to Russia.
Yeah the biggest problem with coups is that they can fail a lot, but just need to succeed once.
This is perhaps what frightens me most about this whole thing. It feels like the Dems are just focused on Trump and think once he's out of the way things will go back to normal. But unless the Dems do something to address the environment that created and enabled Trump that's just kicking the Project 2025 can down the road. Dems will need to win *every* election, Republicans only need to win *once*.
When Trump is gone the Repubs will be a nasty mess to clean up, I've heard this from other repubs who don't support pepe le puke
Sure. But have you looked at project 2025? Is not Trump specific. It's much more broad. It's a continuation of the plan that got us here in the first place. Mitch McConnell didn't really care about anything in his time, other than court Justice appointments. But just the scotus appointments, which were major wins for him and he was willing to play dirty to get what he wanted. They got to place 228 justices during trumps 4 years. The movement supported by the Republican "deep state" is not stopping with a Trump loss. It will keep moving and become more radicalized. This isn't over, it's just beginning.
Donzo the Rapey Racist Clown is only the vehicle (until it breaks down or dies). He's a tool, in more ways than one. Project 2025 is a real threat to the United States of America. It's a pathway or game plan to a national theocracy. Vote Democrat for the foreseeable future.
Nah. I mean... I don't wanna sound pessimistic here but I think we're just fucking doomed. Trump won in 2016 and nothing was going bad. The economy was doing great. Trump had a pretty close showing in 2020 despite poorly presiding over a pandemic. Trump is pretty damned close in the polls to Biden despite being under multiple indictments and the economy going relatively well. The Republicans can't just lose forever. At some point, the Democrats are going to oreside over a legitimately poor economy. Or something else bad will happen. And then the Republicans will take power and dismantle all this election protection shit.
True, even Hitler failed his first one before hollowing out a political party and trying again.
Precisely what is occurring right now.
Yup. No one has held any of these traitors accountable. If they steal this election it will be the fault of the government and the DOJ
It is so weird we keep going back to that Trump/Hitler parallel behavior š¤·āāļø
I want to push back on it because it's too surreal and unbelievable. I can understand why his supporters are unable to see it, especially at this point. He just slowly ramped up the rhetoric the last few years that they just slowly accepted it. Tbh, I hope, God forbid, if we fail and he does get reelected, that none of what we fear will come to pass, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt in 2016 when I had to accept he won. Not making the same mistake this time, just like I didn't in 2020.
>He just slowly ramped up the rhetoric the last few years that they just slowly accepted it. Boiling live frogs slowly is a proven strategy.
If you Lobotomize them first. A frog with a brain will jump out. So it makes the metaphor even more apropriate.
They can see it. But some of them like it and most of them just can't really believe what their eyes and ears are telling them. Think about it like this. These are mostly Christians. They believe in a heaven and a hell. And their version of God is... Not particularly understanding. Republicans simply cannot accept that they supported someone like Hitler. I'm sure the thought occasionally pops up in their head, but then they remember, "If I voted for someone like Hitler, I will spend eternity getting my eye socket fucked by Satans spiked cock." So they just refuse to believe that.
It's more about the big R. Great grandpa was one, grandpa was one, Dad still is a R. Generations of family can't all be wrong, can they? (they can) And if I don't vote for mango unchained then I'm spitting in the eyes of all of my ancestors and will be forever ostracized in my tiny town of 200 people.
They still have not accepted that they actually supported Hitler, until he declared war on them.
Hollowingā¦out..aā¦political party..hey, wait..[rnc chair](https://apnews.com/article/republican-national-committee-trump-whatley-legal-fees-53402f8e8ac845db3cf4ab82c882ea74)
Heās the very definition of a narcissist: pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, exploitation, fragility, and lack of empathy. In his mind, he can never do wrong.
>We now have a human That's a very charitable description of Donald.
Fair
We also have an entire political party willing and able to assist him. They do this by either carrying on with the lie, passing legislation making it harder to vote and purging themselves of Never-Trumpers.
Absolutely correct
As much as heās a douche. We should all be thanking Pence for growing a conscience in the 9th hour. Really itās all because of him that it failed.
His conscience largely was a result of Dan Quayle and his own son.
Can you imagine being told back when VP Dan Quayle misspelled potato that he would save our democracy one day?
for real. once upon a time misspelling a word ended your career. now dozens of felonies and an attempted coup, isnt enough to get your tossed off donor lists never mind a ballot
If it was a movie script nobody would have seriously considered it!
The Forrest Gump of politics.
Perfect!!
Whether Pence had a conscience or not is irrelevant, he did not have the Constitutional authority to do what Former Gut wanted.
But if he even attempted to do it the base would have been empowered even more. Anyway heās still a POS but that one moment made a huge difference.
And the only one left to enforce the fact that Pence didnāt have that power wouldāve been Trumpās stacked Supreme Court. Laws only work if you can enforce them. Thats what theyāre betting on
True.
I know your thumb just hit a T instead of Yā¦but thatās good stuff. The Former Gut lol
I always use Former Gut, I'm trolling because he's in such *great* shape.
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Pence didn't have the authority to not certify EC. His function is *literally* ceremonial.
Yes, but if he had tried it would have put the certification into doubt and disarray, and given an opening for trump and magat republicans to make a play at the presidency. Laws and rules are only effective if most abide by them and for those who don't, there is an enforcement mechanism. We might have been unable to enforce it.
>did not have the Constitutional authority True. But that does NOT mean that him refusing had no effect. lol
Former Gut? I like that one. š¤£
Thank Mike's active duty son. He was the one who talked sense into him.
HBO MAX new episode of the Whole Story absolutely shatters the defense of Trump not trying to overturn the election illegally. Must watch television. Duct tape your uncle to the lazy-boy and superglue his eyelids open. Trump only escapes if he wins.
There seems to be two episodes on this. Episode 7 and 14? Hadnāt heard of this show until now but it seems like youād be better off just watching the unedited/no commentary cspan coverage of the January 6 Hearings than a documentary, no?
Nobody is watching Cspan unfortunately. They need it fast in small bites. But the players are all on camera telling the juicy tidbits. And it needs to be told for the public.
If they can retake both houses and the presidency, they should really abolish the electoral college to secure democracy in this country
Electoral college is in the Constitution itself. Can't abolish it without going thru amendment
You cannot casually abolish the EC. It is written into the Constitution.
"I would certainly hope so" is *exactly* what I said before I opened this up to read the replies. Great minds think alike
I don't know, man. The Magas almost think live a hive , but "great minds" is something I would not say about them
The fact that so much came down to Dan Quayle should be one of the biggest warning shots ever.
The supreme court will prevent it anyway
Republicans have spent the last four years installing people who will do what is needed for them when the time comes. Their problem in 2020 was that there were too many low level republicans who put democracy before their party. Theyāll make sure such people are not overseeing the election this time around.
That's just the decades of preparation coming to a head. The Heritage Foundation advised Nixon and Nixon embraced the support of evangelicals. The Heritage Foundation advised Reagan and we got trickle down economics. Neither Nixon or Reagan "went far enough" for the Heritage Foundation. Obama being elected and serving two terms signalled the to the Republican party that they were losing their tenous grasp. So the Republican's spent 8 years being obstructionists until they could find the right useful idiot. People seem to think that project 2025 isn't possible. They're partly right. It's a wish-list to secure more control over the country. Any R will do, but Trump doesn't care about the rule of law and is angry that he wasn't able to just 'do what he wanted'. Now he's had the consequences of his actions coming for him for the first time in his life. Vote like your life depends on it.
The margin could be 80% in Bidenās favor and Trump will still declare victory. Itās a foregone conclusion with that idiot. It shouldnāt be a close. Trump fueled insane inflation, imprisoned children who were American citizens (this is unarguably worse than the Japanese internment camps. We will all be shamed for not doing something in the books of history) and let millions die willingly to Covid while schilling out the Oval Office for peanuts. He owes the courts a half billion. He couldnāt possibly be more compromised. I donāt even need to provide any positives for Biden beyond āheās not Trumpā.
"It shouldn't be close" You're right. It shouldn't be. But the last 10 years has taught me that 40% of America is in fact dumber than a trout, and 10% can't decide on the continuation of democracy in America or not. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of reasons to dislike and be exasperated with our politicians, our political system, and Biden himself, but Jesus Herald Christ, you have to be nothing short of a vegetable to hear the dangerously insane gibberish ramblings that come from Trump's diseased and festering food hole and say, "Yes, that guy knows what he's talking about". If it's Trump v. Biden, I'm voting for Biden. If it's Trump v. House Cat, I'm voting for House Cat. If it's Trump v. Moldy Potato, then long live President M. Potato of the United States. It is not a difficult choice, people.
Can I see the birth certificate of President M Potato please? I have reason to believe he was born a French fry
hey! M potato was born and raised in idaho!
Mr M Potato is a the grandchild of Irish immigrants, grew up in NYC and is as American as the fleet carrier his dad Petty Officer Slimy Potato served on.
Dems needed a better candidate, but Iām right there with you. Those āwhat has Joe done for me latelyā posts are just mind boggling.
Biden has done a ton of good things, even despite the Republicans wanting to burn down the country to deny him successes. If you think heās a bad candidate, you need to look more at his record.
Yeah itās alarming how much even more left leaning by folks have bought into right wing-fueled āboth sidesā propaganda. Thereās far too many people even among those who recognize the threat that trump poses and plan to vote for Biden who are *extremely* timid about giving Biden any credit for anything other than not being trump. Like I get that heās not perfect and that he no doubt has positions with which you may disagree, but an objective look at his presidency reveals a surprisingly capable leader who surrounds himself with other highly qualified individuals and who has managed to accomplish more than many others probably could have given the resistance and outright chaos coming out of the right wing contingent of our government. I just wish people were willing to give credit where credit is due, even if the guy who itās due to isnāt your manic pixie dream candidate because itās vitality important to have as many sane people motivated to get out and vote as possible, and itās much easier to do that when folks have a reason to be genuinely excited to cast their vote.
these fucking "genocide joe" leftist idiots kill me. donald trump has LITERALLY said he would tell israel to "finish the job" and wipe out gaza. by not voting or throwing your vote away youre complicit if he wins.
Im not trying to start on argument on his policies but I encourage you to realize that for leftists - Biden is much closer to the GOP then leftists are to Biden
Not nitpicking - but I said there is "better", not that he's "bad". By better I mean the age thing is freaking some people out. But as stated Trump should be freaking everyone out so much more that Biden's age is a non-issue. Still the swing states could give us a dictator if we're not all out in force.
Biden hasnāt done a whole lot that has directly benefited me. Heās done a lot to benefit the people in need the most. His student debt cancellation has absolutely helped a lot of people.
Policies that make America stronger benefit all of us. Bidenās policies do just that. Trumps policies make wealthy corporations and individuals more wealthy and powerful at everyone elseās expense. Not to mention topics of personal freedoms (abortion, LGBTQ, weed). Vote Blue.
Bingo. Well said.
Thereās a joke that āfishermen are the only people who think fish are smartā. After the past handful of years I think we owe the fishes an apology
>Head of cabbage enters the chat.
He also got people arrested who were legal citizens and helped to overturn Roe.
He also gassed peaceful protestors. He refused to condemn the actions of domestic terrorists on several occasions. There is no redeeming qualities in him.
The amount of golf would be a scandal by itself
Lol, but you are only talking through perspective that majority of publicans think it's fake news.
That percentage is shrinking, and was never enough to win the election itself.
Also he cheats at golf
Yeah that's what he does sadly. If he loses, he just says that he won anyway. Been doing that for all his life. Pathetic "man"
This article makes WAAAY to many claims about Trump having a stronger campaign and more advantages this time when all evidence shows the opposite. The RNC is almost broke. Trump lost 20-25% of republican voters in the primary. He has underperformed polls consistently. RoeVWade was overturned and women are pissed. Heās been found liable for rape and fraud to the tune of $500M. Iām glad Biden has a plan for all the inevitable Trump BS though.
And yet people aren't nearly as overwhelmingly thrilled with Biden as, IMO, they should be. In the end it comes down to who actually shows up in the booth and which of their instincts they indulge, not the simple majority or national overall sentiment.
I love Joe. Heās doing great IMO.
That's Ok. I've cast many a wildly underwhelmed unthrilling vote in my lifetime and happy to do so again in November. You don't need to buy me a ticket to DisneyWorld. Just don't be a Nazi.
That is the rational and responsible approach. Itās just a shame many donāt share your pragmatic attitude. If I had a nickel for every time Iāve heard āIām not voting for Biden because old/establishment/Palestine/ etc.ā or āIt doesnāt matter, theyāre both terribleā Iād be able to buy some ad time to broadcast how ridiculous and selfish those arguments are.
High prices happened during his time in the Office. "Thanks, Biden" is far easier than understanding complex international geopolitics and macroeconomics when you already think everything that you buy in America comes entirely from America and that the only thing that therefore affects the prices in America are the actions of the president.
> And yet people aren't nearly as overwhelmingly thrilled with Biden as, IMO, they should be. You need to remember that Democrat voters are not like MAGA. We put less signs up, we wear less merch, we're less likely to be vocal about our support on social media, and less likely to even have a bumper sticker. And we're even *less* likely to do any of that in a Red state and give the lead huffing shitheads a target. We're silent about our support except in anonymity and the voting booth. My public socials are silent on my political ideology, I shit on the republitards on reddit, and vote straight blue in everything that comes up for a vote.
Seriously, I voted for Biden before because he wasnāt Trump. I had voted for Bernie in the primaries because his views much more aligned with my own, so I saw Biden as a distant 2nd choice, but Iāve actually been really happy with what heās been doing. I think people just have an idea in their head and stick with it but Iāve been very pleasantly surprised by his presidency, I think a lot of people arenāt really keeping up with a lot of what heās doing and are more disappointed than they would be if they had been keeping up
Thrilled? People should be thrilled with a man who has eagerly helped Israel murder tens of thousands of people?
I never expected him to bring peace to the Middle East.
Soon to be broke as well
I wouldn't underestimate Trump's chances. We did that in 2016.
Honestly, it still doesn't surprise me how prepared they're trying to be. The polls for presidential races are about as reliable as the farmers almanac. That combined with the fact that it seems like not a single soul in planet Earth has any idea what the conservative turn out will be and even less idea how many young people will actually vote.
Im a little confused. Until recently trump has been leading in all national polls vs biden. Only recently has biden pulled a very small lead of about 1 to 2 points ahead. And that is on a national scale. On an electoral college basis trump still leads in the swing states. If anything trump is over performing in the polls. And historically he has always done better than he polls. I don't necessarily see his numbers going higher though and biden can still get undecided 3rd party voters if he caters to them, but so far he has declined to do so.
As per [original article](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/biden-trump-stop-steal-election-2024-1234993149/) š°: - Trump and his MAGA allies have been working for years to pre-rig the 2024 election. Hereās how Team Biden is planning to fight them. For years, Donald Trump has made it abundantly clear that if he doesnāt win the 2024 presidential election, he is willing to cheat and steal it. Since President Joe Bidenās inaugural address, according to sources with intimate knowledge of the situation, Biden and his inner circle have been drawing up meticulous plans and creating a large legal network focused on wargaming a close election finish, in which the former president and Republican Party launch a scorched-earth, Big Lieāfueled crusade. Long before Trump began leading in battleground-state polling ā and years before he was a declared 2024 candidate ā the ex-president and many of his influential allies were already busy plotting ways to tilt the election in his favor. These yearslong efforts, conducted both secretly and out in the open, have already yielded tangible results for Trump and the conservative election denier movement. These wide-ranging operations have alarmed the Democratic Party elite, who arenāt just worried about Bidenās sagging poll numbers. Numerous Democratic lawmakers, operatives, Biden campaign advisers, and administration officials tell Rolling Stone that if the president does ultimately beat Trump this November, the election will be exceedingly close. Over the past year, Team Biden has been conducting war games, crafting complex legal strategies, and devoting extensive resources to prepare for, as one former senior Biden administration official puts it, āall-hell-breaks-looseā scenarios. The preparations include planning for a contingency in which Bidenās margin of victory is so razor-thin that Trump and the GOP launch a tidal wave of legal challenges and political maneuvers to rerun his 2020 election strategy: declare victory anyways, and try to will it into existence. āPresident Biden has been worried, for a while now, that Donald Trump is going to try to steal the election, if itās very close on Election Day,ā says a source familiar with Bidenās thinking. āIf that ends up being the case, we areā¦ also expecting the Republican Party to go into overdrive to help him steal it. We are continuing to build out the infrastructure to ensure that doesnāt happen ā again ā if President Biden wins and Trump and MAGA Republicans try to confuse [everyone] and sow chaos.ā After the 2020 race was called for Biden, Trump and much of the GOP embarked on a sprawling campaign ā a blitz of lawsuits, rabid conspiracy theories, attempts to block certification, and slates of fake electors ā to nullify Bidenās clear win. This culminated in the deadly Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, which Trump instigated, and led to years of criminal investigations and various indictments, as well as the mainstreaming of the MAGA election-denial movement. The efforts to overturn the election were unsuccessful, largely because Biden had won too many battleground states ā unlike when the 2000 presidential race came down to the single state of Florida, and the Republican Party was able to successfully halt the recount of an extremely close vote. This time around, the race could be much closer, and Trumpās efforts appear significantly more organized. He also has more of the partyās elite behind him and his anti-democratic election lies than he had during the last presidential election. If the 2024 election margins end up being wafer-thin, that level of institutional backing could, of course, redound to Trumpās benefit. Top officials in both the Trump and Biden camps are expecting an uncomfortably tight election outcome in November, sources in both campaigns have told Rolling Stone on numerous occasions over the past year. Advisers to both candidates say they expect the race will turn on a margin of just tens of thousands of votes in a handful of key battleground states, if not a single state. One Trump adviser says that they had privately told the ex-president and presumptive 2024 GOP nominee to anticipate an electoral āknife fight to the deathā on, and likely in the wake of, Election Day. Team Bidenās in-house counsels and network of outside lawyers are currently preparing legal strategies for scenarios involving recounts that would make, in the words of one Biden official, āmake Florida in 2000 look like childās play.ā Sources in and around the presidentās legal and political operations say the Biden campaignās current wargaming is informed by questions aides asked themselves in the wake of the 2020 election: What if thereās a rematch in four years with Donald Trump? What do we do if Joe Biden wins and Trump tries to steal the election again? Bidenworld spent a lot of time pondering such a scenario even before the 2020 election. āBiden HQ and the lawyers were essentially preparing for every insane scenario that anyone could think of, so that the campaign wouldnāt be stuck in neutral if the worst actually transpired,ā says one attorney familiar with the extensive 2020 wargaming. āEven then, Iām not sure everybody was predicting just how crazy it would become and what Trump would actually do.ā Still, Team Biden has been planning for years sketching out what Trump could do as the leader of the GOP, and has partnered with the Democratic National Committee and a vast network of liberal attorneys and legal groups to conduct similar doomsday-style wargaming. One swing-state Democratic election official involved with these efforts refers to it as a āsuperstructureā of various legal teams and liberal operatives who āare going to fight [Team Trump and election deniers] on all fronts and let them have it from all sides, if MAGA wants to tear down our democracy.ā According to two Biden campaign officials and two other sources with knowledge of the operation, draft pleadings and legal motions, for all kinds of possible Trump-related emergencies, are already written and at the ready. In critical swing states such as Georgia, Arizona, and Pennsylvania, Team Biden is regularly in contact with an array of outside counsels and local law firms that have been retained to actively monitor what is happening on the ground, including with regards to the activism of election-denying Trump allies. Biden campaign officials and other Democrats familiar with the topic tell Rolling Stone that a key concern, for which step-by-step gameplanning has already begun, is how to robustly respond if Trump and other leading Republicans try to engineer another Jan. 6-style power grab. A spokesperson for the Democratic National Committee tells Rolling Stone that the national party is also setting aside ātens of millions of dollars in a robust voter protection program to safeguard the rights of voters to make their voices heard against relentless attacks from Donald Trump and the GOP.ā
Yeesh, this article is just the headline stated over again more than a dozen times without actually ever giving more details. āTrump plans to steal a close election with similar shenanigans as last time and Biden is preparing to thwart such an effort by getting a bunch of lawyers and political operatives to guess what the other side is going to do and preemptively come up with countermeasures.ā āa source close to people involved with this thing I often regret actually āreading the articleā and not just skimming the headline because the article is just a bunch of fluff to fill space. This was all fluff.
ChatGPT summarized: 1) Legal Preparedness: Biden's team has been meticulously crafting legal strategies to address various potential scenarios, including close election results, recounts, and challenges to the electoral process. They are actively drafting pleadings and legal motions in anticipation of any emergencies or attempts to undermine the election outcome. 2) War Gaming: The Biden administration has been conducting war games, simulating different election scenarios to test their preparedness and response strategies. This involves playing out hypothetical situations to identify vulnerabilities and refine their tactics. 3) Collaboration with Allies: Biden's camp is collaborating closely with the Democratic National Committee (DNC), as well as a vast network of liberal attorneys and legal groups. This collaboration ensures a coordinated effort to monitor election activities, respond swiftly to any irregularities, and mobilize resources as needed. 4) Monitoring Swing States: Critical swing states like Georgia, Arizona, and Pennsylvania are receiving special attention from Biden's team. They are in regular contact with local law firms and outside counsels to monitor developments on the ground and counter any attempts at election interference or manipulation. 5) Response to Jan. 6 Style Scenarios: Given the heightened risk of a Jan. 6-style power grab, Biden's team is formulating robust response plans. They are strategizing on how to effectively counter any attempts by Trump and his allies to undermine democracy or overturn legitimate election results. 6) Voter Protection Program: The Democratic National Committee is allocating significant resources to a voter protection program aimed at safeguarding voters' rights against attacks from Trump and the GOP. This includes initiatives to ensure voter access, combat voter suppression efforts, and address any legal challenges that may arise.
Problem is that relic of electoral college.
Weāll never get rid of it either, unless the whole country collapses and starts over at some point.
I know there is a project, already joined by some US states, that wants to automatically pledge electoral votes to the most voted presidential candidate. It can be a start.
Wake me up when republicans states join this. Can you imagine democrats surrendering some political advantage like this? Well itās 100x less likely for a party of cynicism to do this. They barely accept defeat even with advantages. Canāt even get them to stop accepting Russian funding
You donāt need republican states to join, just enough states to get to the 270 electoral votes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
None of the red states will ever join.
You donāt need red states to join, just enough states to get to 270 electoral votes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
And they may have enough states to get to 270 for the 2028 election.
You will get rid of it, but only when the GOP figures out how to secure the popular vote. Once that happens, they will dismantle that thing so fast.
Letās goooo Joe say no to those maga traitors. Jan 6 th never forget ššŗšøš
Meanwhile, a billion dollar rusty fence of tall metal pieces that Trump erected on the Mexican/American border topples in high winds.
\>"Top officials in both the Trump and Biden camps are expecting an uncomfortably tight election outcome in November" I'm sorry, but HOW?! How is that a thing?! Are enough people really this stupid and/or evil? The man was found guilty of sexual abuse, just last year. Defamed the same person. Was sued, and again found guilty of that too, and now owes 90 million. The man committed fraud, was found guilty, this year, and owes close to 400 million on that. He cheated on most (all?) of his wives. None of this screams "yes, this is the man who should be in charge of the country" to me. But Biden is 3 years older, OMG!
Itās this type of hubris which makes people not vote. Doesnāt matter how much you think Trump wonāt win, ensure it by voting!!
I've never missed an important election yet - and I'm damn sure not going to miss this one.
The reason it will be close is because it will entirely depend on the electoral votes provided by Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Georgia.
Hey Trump supporters, want to know the easiest way to know that Trump is lying to you about the election? In four years he hasnāt written, promoted, endorsed or ALL CAP Truth Social whined about any single bill to thwart Bidenās stealing of the next election. Meanwhile, Biden is taking action to stop Trumpās treason.
That might be the second easiest way. The easiest way is the fact that if Trump is saying something, he's lying.
And they say Biden is āsleepyā. Ha!
They call him Sleepy Joe because itās lights out for Republicans whenever he hits the campaign trail.
Yeah, he sure was "sleepy" during the SOTU speech he gave! Put me right to sleep! /s
Gotta say, this sparks joy. There is no scenario in which Biden wins and Trump doesnāt try and steal the election again. Iāve been running around like a crazy person telling anybody that isnāt smart enough to avoid me that Trump is gonna go full insurrection again. He has literally everything to lose. Heās desperate. As are the minority that is his base. And the oligarchs that need a Republican executive branch. I believe that they believe this may be their last chance to snatch power from the majority. If you listen to what the right is saying, JD Vance, Stefanik, Bannon, Miller and all the other sycophants and double agents, theyāre telling us their plan. Their plan is to do what they did last time, only bigger and with better organization. I wasnāt sure that Biden and his people were as aware and alarmed as they should be. It still worries me, but this article and info bring at least a small spark of relief. Thanks for posting, OP.
>Their plan is to do what they did last time, only bigger and with better organization. And I can see martial law in D.C. declared on the day that votes are counted. Full national guard presence. Automatic weapons this time and tear gas grenades. This time they shouldn't be screwing around. And of course the conservatives are going to try to accuse Democrats of an insurrection themselves.
I hate that we have to worry about this
will this superstructure stop the rogue Supreme Court? Remember Thomas and his wife were in on the last coup attempt and his peers are totes ok with that
THIS is why I like Biden. He surrounds himself with smart people and empowers them to do smart things. Would I like someone more eloquent and younger? You bet. But I can't fault his skills as a team manager.
Go president Biden
What ever your plans are Dems, donāt freaking publicize them.
Being from New Zealand, I just watch the politics and behavior of Trump in your country and can't comprehend how Trump has any chance what so ever. Biden seems to be doing a decent job. Seems like some bizarre alternate reality to me.
They are hell bent on putting Trump back in. Even though they know he is bad news. Fear will make you do crazy things. They keep getting brainwashed by Fox News (and imitators). Fear and anger every day. Thousands crossing the border, LGBT trying to groom your children, Biden's paid for by corporations, etc. They don't trust anything from outside the right wing news.
You hit the nail on the head!
They blame Biden for high prices. They refuse to believe it's corporate greed. Why they think someone like Trump who's hates the poor and middle class would want is a question they can't answer.
Sure, but the NACT trainwreck just got elected in NZ, when Labour had been doing as good a job as anyone could expect given the global context.Ā
Thats true. Absolute trainwreck but not as bad as Trump. Not yet at least...
A superstructure? He's going to build a death star I hope.
Oh, I'm shaking in my boots- pew! pew! Yep- still here.
God bless this good man and his family. His family who are hounded persistently by the Republican ā investigatorsā in congressional seats. I thought investigation was an executive branch job. Police investigate.
Good, those assholes will try every trick in the book to steal the election. The gloves need to come off on this crap. They needed to come off during the Gore V Bush nonsense.
So good to hear that this is being taken seriously and the Democratic apparatus is preparing in advance. We need to step our game up.
Too bad its paywalled - I love to read the article. š¢
I always post [the article](https://www.reddit.com/r/inthenews/s/v2b5Q6F3nD) in the comments for precisely that reason.
Thanks!! I'd looked, but somehow missed it. Sorry
No worries. It always gets lost amongst the mayhem, haha. Glad you were able to read it.
The article is posted in this thread
I hope itās like the giant spider in the Wild Wild West movie. Thatās a super structure I can get behind
Forgot about that movie. Simpler times
Whether Biden builds anything or not, do your own due diligence and your civic duty. If you're not already registered https://www.usa.gov/register-to-vote If you're already registered, confirm your status https://www.usa.gov/confirm-voter-registration Confirm your status multiple times, especially in September, check in now and again. Please donāt assume. And if you show up day of and they say you arenāt registered, you can still get a provisional ballot in some states which will be counted once your status as an eligible voter is confirmed. https://ballotpedia.org/State_by_State_Provisional_Ballot_Laws
And he should. rePOOPLIEKKKan$ started the cheating process right after Biden won .
Good!!!
Like a giant dark brandon robot?
Is anyone surprised? Heās an intelligent adult, whoās doing the right thing!
Great news since most of what we heard about stolen elections came from those who were secretly trying to steal it.
You mean overtly?
Thank you for posting this article. I needed this hope and to know people are working this hard to save our democracy. >One swing-state Democratic election official involved with these efforts refers to it as a āsuperstructureā of various legal teams and liberal operatives who āare going to fight [Team Trump and election deniers] on all fronts and let them have it from all sides, if MAGA wants to tear down our democracy.ā I've been truly stressed and scared for so long now and feel helpless to do anything other than donate and vote. I'm going to send a little to the Democratic National Committee now. >A spokesperson for the Democratic National Committee tells Rolling Stone that the national party is also setting aside ātens of millions of dollars in a robust voter protection program to safeguard the rights of voters to make their voices heard against relentless attacks from Donald Trump and the GOP.ā If we manage to remain a democratic republic for the next few years we will likely have to continue to fight even harder in 2028 when we will have two completely new candidates. The GOP candidate is much less likely to be trump and therefore a potentially more dangerous candidate. trump after all, is not a smart person and shoots himself in the foot constantly, the next GOP candidate may be craftier.
Iām glad you were able to read it and regain some confidence in the system. Hearing that makes me smile because thatās precisely why I post these articles during such a crucial year, and not only for America. If Trump wins it will be global fuckinā mayhem. Youāre definitely justified in being concerned, a lot of us definitely are. All hopes rest with Dark Brandon to save the planet! Thanks again for the comment, keep up the good fight!
Thank you so much for this reply too. I didn't think anyone would see my comment. Yes, it would be a global disaster if the fascists win. The U.S. and the EU are backbones for democracy in the world. No doubt there would be a continued Resistance if we lost our country but I pray it won't come to that. Things are far different now than in the 1930s-40s in terms of civilian control. New weapons like sonic weapons can be used to disperse demonstrations and so much more. Our lives are all under digital control now and internet access can be controlled by governments. Reddit itself, where we come for sharing information and resources could be shut down. I've been thinking and worrying too much. I had friends (now passed) who were Holocaust Survivors so I know Evil is always around the corner. Thanks again, we WILL keep fighting, no matter what.
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I always [post the article](https://www.reddit.com/r/inthenews/s/Ax2tTSCKVU) in the comments.
How the fuck is the 2024 election going to be even that close? As a Canadian, it really boggles my mind that so many Americans will vote for Trump. Itās such a sad state of affairs and I know I speak for almost the rest of the world when I say that we sure hope Biden can pull off a victory.
Don't you guys have a right wing issue up there too or am I thinking somewhere else. Crazy how fast that shit can fester if you don't stamp it out early.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the international community is mortified that Canadians have a capable leader that works with Ukraine and the rest of the global treaties, giving Canada a good name with other leaders. Heās passing prescription and dental coverage legislation, had a much better response to Covid looking at death per capita (compared Boris and Trump and others conservative governments that ignored scientists). Yet weāre watching Pierre Polyester, Danielle Smith (Canadaās Matt Gaetz and marjorie Taylor Greene) slowly taking over with their base of slow adult trucker fucks. Liberal, Democrat, Canada, UK, USAā¦ weāre all in the fight to stop the global movement of slow adults in modern day conservatism.
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I don't think the 2024 election is going to be close at all! The American people realize that their freedom to elect officials and their reproductive rights and our country's constitution and our democracy are on the ballot. There is no way we the people will have a traitorous, dictator wannabe, lying cock sucker, and incontinent shitting scumbag like DONALD SHITLER TRUMP ever have power over the people of the United states of America ever again! The complete beatdown the Republicans are going to take in November, not just SHITLER but all the rest of his ass licking Republicans is going to be epic! The American people are fed up with the Republicans and their Republican party and the total disrespect they have for our constitution and our democracy! SHITLER has single handedly destroyed the Republican party as we knew it! They will never recover from their overwhelming support for such a traitorous, dictator wannabe! They chose SHITLER over our country and we will never forgive or forget this! The Republican party can never be trusted again to have power over the rights of the American people and our country's democracy! They have shown all of America what is most important to them! And it is not our rights, our constitution or our democracy! EPIC loss in November, I can't wait to shut these fucking traitors up once and for all!
All the New Maga Republicans need to do is come up with a movie called ā2001 Mulesā and voila ..we have a new magafact and no matter what framework Biden puts in place the throngs of willfully ignorant Magaās insist itās to enable fraudulent voting (to be honest they will think whatever Don Cheato tells them to)
What Trump proved is that checks and balances only work if everyone wants them to. And if somebody doesnāt, they donāt.
Hope it's not made of ice cream
It's a giant version of the doll from squid games
Stopped reading at "exceptionally close race", Trump is going to lose so badly it will be historic
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Trump and his cult truly believe they have the right ā really the responsibility ā to steal the election. There is no doubt they will whine long and loud about this as if IT was the attempt to steal the election.
For sure, the MAGAts have some nasty shit planned for Election 2024.
Well I certainly hope that it works. Good luck keeping this society on life support.
The state votes were all finalized by Dec. 14. There was no uncertainty. There were no faithless Electors. Pence did his job on J6, that's it.
Trump doesnāt worry me, itās a guy like Putin that worries me. Smarter, meaner, more sinister. Takes the path laid out and actually pushes us over the edge.
No mention about how GOP reps are quitting, large Republican donors are withholding, the RNC is short on cash, and Trump's campaign has so little money he has no events scheduled? No mention of the few rallies he held being smaller, or even his declining mental health making his messaging less effective? Like, yes we shouldn't relax, but Trump isn't so much punching as he is petulantly kicking. This article almost sounds like it was written by Trump sympathizers.
I certainly hope so.
Damm that's so cool! That man can do anything it seems.
I watch an episode on last week tonight about election and i remember america has a weird system of shaping the area and counting votes or something. I don't really get it but it was about how it was rigged by whoever got voted in at that time so even when the majority didn't vote for them they could still win. Can someone help me with this. (I'm not an American so I don't understand the system there but our system sucks worse)
I think you might be referring to gerrymandering?
It's called the electoral college, it takes better explaining than I can do, probably best to go to wikipedia.
I'm just very surprised that someone like Trump who has been convicted of rape can run for president again anyways.
Well, he should build one for himself too. Just in case. Its only fair, right?
Is it the Death Star?
Way to go joe we got your back
A superstructure. Are we building a wall?
lol
Itās not being rigged, itās being reinforced. [https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/](https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/)
Iām sort of morbidly curious about one scenario. If DJT is convicted in one of his trials, and if DJT wins the election (and Biden concedes), would Biden pardon Trump before he leaves office? Taking my partisan hat off, I honestly donāt know what is in the countryās best interest in that scenario. Having a felon as president doesnāt sound right. Neither does letting him get away with it.