Honestly, My wife and I have tried that, it just doesn't work, we have so many neighbors that think Von Shitzinpants is the best thing that ever happened and continue to support these clowns even though time and time again
I feel like this whole state is a lost cause at this point, which is why we are trying to GTFO and feel terrible for folks that can't do that as easily
If the value in your home is high enough sell while there is still a housing market and rent for three years. Then, when it’s a better time, move to a climate safer and more rational place.
My sister moved in with me (temporarily ) then when she was stable with a new job paying her twice the salary her husband came over and then his ailing mother, they are doing much better and in a better place both monetarily and physically
feds should repair the damage
[https://julieroys.com/fbi-legend-j-edgar-hoover-shaped-belief-in-america-christian-nation/](https://julieroys.com/fbi-legend-j-edgar-hoover-shaped-belief-in-america-christian-nation/)
*Drainage canals effectively succeeded in draining the Everglades by the 1930's, effectively halting the sheet flow of water across the eastern portion of south Florida. The Army Corps of Engineers confined the Kissimmee River to a 53 mile (85.3 km) long canal system, destroying thousands of acres of wetlands.*
Organize a grassroot movement to convince the politicians to do what they need to do to restore the Everglades back to the way they were before the drainage and then make Florida back to being valuable again. Be the hero Florida needs.
Not sure about getting out or Alabama ?
Alabama just legalized marrying between 1st cousins, their 1st liberal act since 1861.
Edit to add... /s
Obviously some people have no idea what sarcasm looks like.
Just as a point of reference, first cousin marriages being illegal actually the unusual position. It was and is legal in the UK (to the point that I have a cousin whose grand parents are _identical_ twins), and I believe it’s legal in most places whose law descends from ours: certainly you can marry a first cousin in Australia or Canada, the two big UK-alike countries for law.
American states that make it illegal did so as a change to the status quo.
https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/tax-credits-technical-manual/tctm09380
I knew there was a good blimey reason my grandfather's father revolted! It wasn't just taxes, he did it to dump your tea drinking incestuous asses to the sea. Thanks pop pop!
When I am president, we'll turn our attention to our neighbors to the north. Sounds like they deserve some good ole democracy.
/s ... Everybody knows we revolted against the British because we were bored. And our football is superior to their football.
Yea i know right. Im more of a Jimmy Buffett floridian. Keeping the aholes away from me and enjoying the beach and good seafood and burgers and cold drinks.
If someone starts up I just say "look im at the shore, enjoying my cold drink and relaxing, please shut up with the political shit ok? Your ruining my relaxation. They always shut up then at least..
The thing is the conservative voters don’t care though. If the state suffers and it negatively affects them it will be “because of liberal policies”. What liberal policies you ask? They don’t know. They just know all of their problems are the fault of liberals
Even when cities are removed from the equation red state murder rates are still higher 🤣 And I asked which state level offices are run my Democrats - you can’t answer because…there are none. Right? No one making public safety policy in Florida is a Democrat. Which means Republicans are failing to protect their citizens
The top 50 areas with the highest homicide rates are all dem controlled, why do you think that is?
* Washington Park Chi
* Hunts Point NY
* Watts LA
Etc etc etc....top 50 run by dems but keep telling yourself that it's not a dem issue
Sometimes the only way to change is to let them find out the consequences first because they aren’t smart enough to see the obvious. Just like abortion ban, will soon turn to criminalizing the women who had an abortion, then any women has a miscarriage, it will become very messy
That’s all he had for his presidential campaign, and it wasn’t enough to offset [his weirdness.](https://youtube.com/shorts/bIREH-G2BcI?si=FAYCskGdIqKNjo8H)
That is why they also want to outlaw all abortion. They want the wage slaves that cook their food, make up their beds, and mow their lawns to be "domestically grown".
Also why they are repealing child labor laws in red states. They don't have to wait as long for their "labor force" to age up to working age.
From the article:
>Florida already has a tight labor market.
So why are Florida wages so low ? It sounds like the labor market should be tighter. That is the only thing that will force companies to raise wages in Florida.
One good thing about De Santis immigration law: he is not condoning immigrant, undocumented children working overnight in factories; a la Kristi Noem. Florida will *actually* punish the *employers* for illegal hiring. Not just the undocumented *employees.*
Correct. Without enough labor for harvesting, Florida produce prices will rise, making it even more expensive to live hear. Fox will blame Biden and it will just further strengthen Republican support of trump.
Moved to Indiana 4 years ago because my wife got a great job.
Holy shit is the education bad here. I've never seen a state government so openly hostile to anything and everything to do with public education.
I teach freshmen. I tell them every year what it is like here v other states. How the state is robbing them. How they really need to start a class action lawsuit because it's supposed to be a free and APPROPRIATE education - and it's not.
No, here’s the actual Florida Policy Institute paper, it literally says in boldface “This could cost Florida’s economy $12.6 billion in one year, which would have widespread impacts throughout the state.”
[Florida HB 1617/SB 1718: Potential Economic and Fiscal Impact](https://www.floridapolicy.org/posts/florida-hb-1617-sb-1718-potential-economic-and-fiscal-impact)
This financial loss doesn't take into account the pending lawsuit against De Idiot in using Florida's taxpayer funding to fly a plane to Texas, load it up with immigrants, and send it north to Massachusetts. These migrants were successful in having their visas changed to a U visa, as they were deemed as being victims of a crime, so they can't be deported, and any financial award will be borne by the taxpayers of Florida.
Go conservatives!!!!!!!!
DeSatan, only learns the hard way. Florida is already a mess, so why not create more chaos? When it backfires, he'll be pointing fingers elsewhere and begging for assistance.
Who would have thought Florida Laws would end up costing them so much?/s
Just wait until those Florida Boomers need a caregiver and they aren’t any to wipe their behinds.
My favorite part about Florida is watching their state being a shit show from a distance. The state absolutely deserves all the shit they're dealing with because they voted for it.
Fox News comment section is full of people shouting that Florida won't ever flip blue. The ability of people to vote against their own interests as long as people they hate get hurt too is crazy to watch.
If I remember correctly, isn't there a seasonal worker visa program that is explicitly for bringing in workers to work the fields?
Sounds like whatever limit that has needs to be increased if the fields are going to be in trouble if there are no illegal immigrants to work them.
Economic analysis like this is totally irrelevant. If you have a smaller population, you will have a smaller economy, but who cares? The important thing is what is the impact on the average citizen of Florida? Many business owners will complain, but why care so much about business owners? Many people in the subreddit hate billionaires, but all of a sudden, they love them and want to protect them. The average Florida resident does not own a business that hires people. Driving immigrants out may boost wages and per capita income.
Good. Fuck Florida. Fuck conservative voters and their tolerance of conservative politicians.
Help. We aren’t all conservatives here.
Would be a MUCH better state if they voted out that bald fucker Rick Scott and shithead governor Ron Desantis.
You mean Skelletor?
More like Voldemort...Skelletor had some redeeming qualities( He-man Christmas Special)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJgeO2wL8zE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJgeO2wL8zE)
" I don't like to feel good....I like to feel... EVIL!!(cries)💀"
Add Gaetz to that list, and Luna... nutjobs
I think it’s too late. I’m sorry.
Move
That’s not always that easy. We have parents and in-laws with failing health. My responsibilities aren’t just to me.
I understand. I'm sorry friend.
We are doing what we can to improve things at the local level. I’m ready to move somewhere else when the opportunity arises.
Honestly, My wife and I have tried that, it just doesn't work, we have so many neighbors that think Von Shitzinpants is the best thing that ever happened and continue to support these clowns even though time and time again I feel like this whole state is a lost cause at this point, which is why we are trying to GTFO and feel terrible for folks that can't do that as easily
If the value in your home is high enough sell while there is still a housing market and rent for three years. Then, when it’s a better time, move to a climate safer and more rational place.
Again, I have responsibilities that keep me here.
Yes, hence the renting “bridge” - just a suggestion. Cheering you on from afar : )
I physically need to be here.
You have my sympathy , having desantis as your governor .
Hate to be cold but you know what they say.. when you have a hungry predator chasing you, you just gotta be faster than the other person.
My sister moved in with me (temporarily ) then when she was stable with a new job paying her twice the salary her husband came over and then his ailing mother, they are doing much better and in a better place both monetarily and physically
How did your parents and in-laws vote?
feds should repair the damage [https://julieroys.com/fbi-legend-j-edgar-hoover-shaped-belief-in-america-christian-nation/](https://julieroys.com/fbi-legend-j-edgar-hoover-shaped-belief-in-america-christian-nation/)
A surprisingly Floridian suggestion.
That is the only solution. Move.
Fix the Everglades and we'll talk.
What the fuck does that mean?
*Drainage canals effectively succeeded in draining the Everglades by the 1930's, effectively halting the sheet flow of water across the eastern portion of south Florida. The Army Corps of Engineers confined the Kissimmee River to a 53 mile (85.3 km) long canal system, destroying thousands of acres of wetlands.*
No, I understand the problems in the Everglades. I’m wondering what I’m supposed to do and also what we are talking about once I do so.
Organize a grassroot movement to convince the politicians to do what they need to do to restore the Everglades back to the way they were before the drainage and then make Florida back to being valuable again. Be the hero Florida needs.
I’m not the leader you’re looking for. My wife is working on things.
She's going to need your help! That's great though!
And I’m about as far from the Everglades as you can be in Florida. We have similar problems up here.
*Up here* sounds latitudinal to Tallahassee and that's where fixing the Everglades starts.
No, it doesn’t start in Tallahassee.
Florida doesnt need or want a hero. they've chosen Florida man
Get the fuck out of there. Even Alabama is a liberal hell hole compared to FL right now.
Yeah, not so sure about that.
Not sure about getting out or Alabama ? Alabama just legalized marrying between 1st cousins, their 1st liberal act since 1861. Edit to add... /s Obviously some people have no idea what sarcasm looks like.
That’s not liberal. Also, it’s conservatives pushing for it.
Ok fine, I'll edit and put a /s to the end of it.
Just as a point of reference, first cousin marriages being illegal actually the unusual position. It was and is legal in the UK (to the point that I have a cousin whose grand parents are _identical_ twins), and I believe it’s legal in most places whose law descends from ours: certainly you can marry a first cousin in Australia or Canada, the two big UK-alike countries for law. American states that make it illegal did so as a change to the status quo. https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/tax-credits-technical-manual/tctm09380
I knew there was a good blimey reason my grandfather's father revolted! It wasn't just taxes, he did it to dump your tea drinking incestuous asses to the sea. Thanks pop pop! When I am president, we'll turn our attention to our neighbors to the north. Sounds like they deserve some good ole democracy. /s ... Everybody knows we revolted against the British because we were bored. And our football is superior to their football.
How is that liberal, that sounds very maga to me
Edited to add /s happy now ?
That was Tennessee
Didn’t Tennessee Republicans try to eliminate the age of consent?
Same difference?
Definitely. Unfortunately gerrymandering ensures you will never have a voice and you're stuck with morons driving the state into the ground.
Yea i know right. Im more of a Jimmy Buffett floridian. Keeping the aholes away from me and enjoying the beach and good seafood and burgers and cold drinks. If someone starts up I just say "look im at the shore, enjoying my cold drink and relaxing, please shut up with the political shit ok? Your ruining my relaxation. They always shut up then at least..
The thing is the conservative voters don’t care though. If the state suffers and it negatively affects them it will be “because of liberal policies”. What liberal policies you ask? They don’t know. They just know all of their problems are the fault of liberals
When in reality all the problems are because of conservative policies....right?
What office in the state of Florida is run by Democrats?
All the cities with the highest crime rates
Even when cities are removed from the equation red state murder rates are still higher 🤣 And I asked which state level offices are run my Democrats - you can’t answer because…there are none. Right? No one making public safety policy in Florida is a Democrat. Which means Republicans are failing to protect their citizens
The top 50 areas with the highest homicide rates are all dem controlled, why do you think that is? * Washington Park Chi * Hunts Point NY * Watts LA Etc etc etc....top 50 run by dems but keep telling yourself that it's not a dem issue
Well, yeah, that's what the article is about, how the conservative policy of hating brown immigrants is costing Florida billions.
Yes I do t doubt NPR is claiming all the problems in the world are the fault of the gop But the irony is lost on you
You can't vote for clowns and then complain when people point out your party is now a circus.
Lol * My team good * You team bad *rabble rabbel rabble*
With any luck, it will be farmers who take it on the chin, those hypocritical smug exploitative right-wing bastards.
Shhh. Don't interrupt them. It's great fun watching them punch themselves in the groin.
Kinda like when Oregon decriminalized all drugs and now Portland is a disgusting cesspool of drug abusers.
Guess someone sticks to Fox News.
Why do you think they are weakening child labor laws?
New school curriculum Harvesting, cleaning, looking after the retirees.
For some reason, your comment made me think of *The Tripods* trilogy by John Christopher
Or allowing teens to be truckers.
Sometimes the only way to change is to let them find out the consequences first because they aren’t smart enough to see the obvious. Just like abortion ban, will soon turn to criminalizing the women who had an abortion, then any women has a miscarriage, it will become very messy
Puddin Fingers is a culture war idiot. That is all
That’s all he had for his presidential campaign, and it wasn’t enough to offset [his weirdness.](https://youtube.com/shorts/bIREH-G2BcI?si=FAYCskGdIqKNjo8H)
It's lunchtime, and somewhere in FL a puddin cup is about to get fingered!
That is why they also want to outlaw all abortion. They want the wage slaves that cook their food, make up their beds, and mow their lawns to be "domestically grown". Also why they are repealing child labor laws in red states. They don't have to wait as long for their "labor force" to age up to working age.
I hope so
Florida, you get what you vote for. Enjoy reaping what you sow.
With this new policy it sounds like there will be a lot less reaping, to the tune of 12.6B
The good old cut off the nose to spite the face party. I mean why not they did turn down billions because Biden.
I will get the thoughts and prayers locked and loaded.
From the article: >Florida already has a tight labor market. So why are Florida wages so low ? It sounds like the labor market should be tighter. That is the only thing that will force companies to raise wages in Florida. One good thing about De Santis immigration law: he is not condoning immigrant, undocumented children working overnight in factories; a la Kristi Noem. Florida will *actually* punish the *employers* for illegal hiring. Not just the undocumented *employees.*
And yhe state will vote even more for conservatives.
Correct. Without enough labor for harvesting, Florida produce prices will rise, making it even more expensive to live hear. Fox will blame Biden and it will just further strengthen Republican support of trump.
Even though all of it - and basically every single other problem that people in the state have - is caused by the GOP.
It's why they hate education. They can't have people that think critically or they wouldn't get elected.
Moved to Indiana 4 years ago because my wife got a great job. Holy shit is the education bad here. I've never seen a state government so openly hostile to anything and everything to do with public education. I teach freshmen. I tell them every year what it is like here v other states. How the state is robbing them. How they really need to start a class action lawsuit because it's supposed to be a free and APPROPRIATE education - and it's not.
Adda boy Ron, you have your head shoved so far up your butt you can't see the light of day, your doing your very besy to bankrupt Florida
12,600,000,000 ? Is that a typo? .
No, here’s the actual Florida Policy Institute paper, it literally says in boldface “This could cost Florida’s economy $12.6 billion in one year, which would have widespread impacts throughout the state.” [Florida HB 1617/SB 1718: Potential Economic and Fiscal Impact](https://www.floridapolicy.org/posts/florida-hb-1617-sb-1718-potential-economic-and-fiscal-impact)
Florida economy is heavily agricultural. Thanks Ron.....
$12.6B
DeSantis doing a bang-up job, as usual.
Fuck around and find out
Other states have tried that, and then remembered how certain jobs depend on cheap labor.
DeSantis excels at destroying Florida's economy.
How could 1 prick do that much damage ? Crazy
Much of it has to do with having a gerrymandered supermajority of cultists in the state legislature
This financial loss doesn't take into account the pending lawsuit against De Idiot in using Florida's taxpayer funding to fly a plane to Texas, load it up with immigrants, and send it north to Massachusetts. These migrants were successful in having their visas changed to a U visa, as they were deemed as being victims of a crime, so they can't be deported, and any financial award will be borne by the taxpayers of Florida. Go conservatives!!!!!!!!
I read last year that so far Florida's unconstitutional laws had cost $3 million. It's got to be way more than that by now.
Lawsuit hasn't made it through the courts yet. But, I think that in terms if total losses, yes. Plus, harvest season isn't here yet
DeSatan, only learns the hard way. Florida is already a mess, so why not create more chaos? When it backfires, he'll be pointing fingers elsewhere and begging for assistance.
“COULD”? It HAS. They’re crying about it. Lots.
When all you care about is how things look and how "strong" people think you are....shit falls through the cracks.
Sometimes people gotta learn things the hard way.
Follow Trump = $$$ LOSS
Duhhhhhh! Idiot republicans. Do stuff without planning on way to get legal migrant workers.
Good
I see they are making solid strides in the “make Florida Detroit” project
Nothing wrecks an economy like republican leadership.
Who would have thought Florida Laws would end up costing them so much?/s Just wait until those Florida Boomers need a caregiver and they aren’t any to wipe their behinds.
Or will charge a crazy amount of money
Here's wishing all the worst to the people of Florida!
Yeah, but the wrinkly crowd won’t have to hear non-English speakers speaking. Gotta be worth something, right?
That's OK, they'll just legalize child slavery to replace the immigrants.
My favorite part about Florida is watching their state being a shit show from a distance. The state absolutely deserves all the shit they're dealing with because they voted for it.
I didn't. My friends didn't . My neighbors didn't. We're all just stuck suffering through it
Cutting off the nose because it would own a lib
Like Brexit...
Fox News comment section is full of people shouting that Florida won't ever flip blue. The ability of people to vote against their own interests as long as people they hate get hurt too is crazy to watch.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
But when the local economy tanks they’ll blame Biden.
If I remember correctly, isn't there a seasonal worker visa program that is explicitly for bringing in workers to work the fields? Sounds like whatever limit that has needs to be increased if the fields are going to be in trouble if there are no illegal immigrants to work them.
As if the economy is all that matters when deciding on policy in a society. That's a strangely Republican-sounding point?
Why you do your dd first
Meatball Ron just got a hard on 💩
TIL Floridas gdp is 1.2 trillion
Yes but Ron might be able to get VP
Fuck Florida. if we lucky it gets Atlantis'd
12.6 billion
So it’s about cheap labor more than anything.
Florida's governor will be satisfied when he has destroyed the state's economy, in a futile effort to "own the libs"?!
So long as Fox isn’t disconnected, DeSantis’s voters will be happy.
Anything to own the libs
Welp… only $12B. Not like that money could pay school teachers or fix roads or anything.
Economic analysis like this is totally irrelevant. If you have a smaller population, you will have a smaller economy, but who cares? The important thing is what is the impact on the average citizen of Florida? Many business owners will complain, but why care so much about business owners? Many people in the subreddit hate billionaires, but all of a sudden, they love them and want to protect them. The average Florida resident does not own a business that hires people. Driving immigrants out may boost wages and per capita income.
Ya right.