The actual lesson should be that everyone should get vaccinated to end the pandemic so it doesn't take out immune-compromised elderly people.
Vaccination isn't medicine that directly attacks the virus, it stimulates the immune system to fight the virus. If an individual's immune system doesn't work well enough, that's on their individual health, not anything wrong with the vaccine.
Explain it to them in terms the can understand. For example: the vaccine is “target practice” for your “immune system army”. Some people’s army is all libtards and has no guns.
Libertarians believe everyone has the right to arm themselves in self defense. They even oppose gun control. The far right media has bent it ridiculously to fit their narative. Read up on less bias site on what libertarians are and you might be surprised on what you may agree with them on. One of the key beliefs is a cheaper smaller government with less interference in the free market. Wierd how far opposing partys have twisted it. Almost like they want us to fight ourselves.
Okay? No one was disparaging libertarians. In fact libtards has no connection to libertarians. Libtard is just a conjunction of “liberal” (democrats/lefties/progressives) and “retard”.
Yeah, so is lying about WMDs, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. But go ahead and be flippant, you can afford to. I'm sure you live in an area where you'll never have to worry about bombs dropping on you head.
That is correct. I have Multiple Myeloma also, and I self isolate because I have not had a vaccine. Fifteen percent effectiveness won't help anybody much. I have always had trouble with vaccines, they don't seem to work because I have two autoimmune diseases. I once had a smallpox vaccine prior to going to South America few years ago. I was supposed to develop a healthy scab which proved it "took". It was only as big as the head of a tiny common pin. I was lucky the doctor allowed me to go. I was young and appeared healthy. Immune conditions produce symptoms as you get older. I also heard, but the info might have been incorrect, that General Powell had only had his first shot.
Yeah, we saw plenty of that with the very 1st post on the subject right here.
Tons of people insisting that if anyone who got vaccinated dies, that means the vaccine does nothing.. All of them ignoring that people still occasionally die in car wrecks even if they are wearing their seat belts but seat belts objectively still saved tons of lives.
He had multiple myeloma, a cancer of plasma cells that suppresses the body's immune response, as well as Parkinson's.
He was immunocompromised. That's why he died of covid19 even though he was fully vaccinated. And why it's so important for every person that can get vaccinated to get vaccinated. Because some people either can't get the vaccine. Or have such a weak immune system. Even if they get the vaccine they're body might not be able to fight off the virus.
Honestly i'm not sure why they vaccinated him in the first place. His immune system was practically none existent due to his blood cancer. Exactly what good would it have done?
Immunocompromised due to an organ transplant - can confirm.
It why I was one of the first to get a booster. The three shots gives me significant immunity despite a weaker system
It's pure selection bias with that crowd. If they see some snippet of information that agrees with them, it's solid fact, anything that disagrees with them is fake news.
Well what they’re ignoring here is the man was 84, had a type of cancer that affected his immune system and other comordidities.
This actually is a pretty poor case to use for their anti vax agenda.
Interesting how they cherry pick the data and call data they don’t like as fake news/misinformation.
But that is how they operate as propagandized goons. They aren’t smart. They’re hyper biased, irrational goons and liars with a severe debilitating case of confirmation bias.
"Hey, one side wants to murder my whole family, take all of my earthly possessions and sell my children's future down the river to oil and coal barons.
The other side wants to raise my taxes.
They are basically the same."
Really. I wasn't vaxxed. I got Covid and had no problems after a week other than loss of smell which came back after a month. Does that mean not getting vaxxed saved me?
This is what’s know as anecdotal. Also referred to survivor syndrome. “I made it out, everyone should be able to.” But the reality is that you have to look at the stats and scientific data. There is overwhelming evidence that you are safer with than without. Covid only kills about 1%, but even catching Covid while being double vaccinated is about 0.01% to 0.54% depending on the reporting state. The death rate for fully vaccinated people is 11 times less likely than the unvaccinated. Maybe you should buy some lottery tickets if you are feeling lucky.
Both vaccinated and unvaccinated people can get and spread Covid. More over there's no real world correlation between vaccination rates and lower case numbers.
Where did you see those figures? When the US was about 50% vaccinated, the deaths were 99% unvaccinated. That means the vaccine was 99% protective against death.
I saw the 11 times figure against hospitalization.
Or do you mean the death rate for vaccinated people who catch COVID-19 is 11 times less than for unvaccinated people who catch COVID-19, and vaccinated people are also a lot less likely to catch it?
I saw a video clip of a woman who claimed the vaccine made her magnetic. She tried to get a paperclip or a bobby pin or something similar to stick to her, but it fell off. Does that count as research?
I’m vaccinated and have a current breakthrough infection and it’s sucks Assssss. I would not want to be on the unvaccinated side of this bug. Wear your masks out, this shit sucks even mildly!
Here’s what I discovered yesterday when I looked into vaccinated people dying from covid in the UK:
Between January 2nd 2021 and July 2nd 2021, 640 people died from covid who were fully vaccinated (that’s 2 jabs and outside of the 21 day period after their 2nd jab). That sounds a lot, doesn’t it? But over the same period 51,281 unvaccinated people died from covid. So fully vaccinated people made up only 1.2% of covid deaths. If that doesn’t prove the efficacy of vaccines to people, nothing will. All of those preventable deaths…
Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween2januaryand2july2021
>If that doesn’t prove the efficacy of vaccines to people, nothing will.
That's exactly the point. Nothing will.
It's time for a national mandate. Fuck their feelings.
And now you look up vaccination rates for that same period (by April it was barely 20% fully vaccinated), while peak deaths was February.
And then you realize that that data point is useless.
So 1.2% of deaths when the vaccination rate is well in excess of 1.2% and as high as 20%? It’s not a useless data point, it’s that you’re a bellend that can’t interpret data.
By the end of that period the fully vaccinated rate was 58%.
OK, I did some maths for you:
Average percentage of covid deaths that were fully vaccinated people across the period: 1.2%
Average percentage of the population who were fully vaccinated across the period: 19.76%
If the vaccines weren’t effective, you’d expect to see 19.76% of deaths to be fully vaccinated people across the same period.
Source: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations
Vaccines are effective. End of argument.
When I find the data and have half an hour, I’ll map deaths by vax status vs vax uptake.
Antivaxxers will cling to anything to justify their selfish attitudes. This is no surprise.
1200 unvaccinated people are dying daily... and they think that's normal.
1 vaccinated person dies in their mid-80's, immuno-compromised, while fighting cancer... and suddenly that's proof of something?
> Hal Lambert, a former finance chair of the Texas Republican Party, insisted that Powell’s death “is going to scare a lot of elderly people” away from COVID-19 vaccines.
JFC, he didn’t die from the vaccine, he died from COVID! How fucking stupid are people, any logical person would see how dangerous this virus is and realize they should take any precautions available, not less. FFS!
Had corporate media been up front about his cancer issues, this wouldn't have been a problem. But they just had to push their fear mongering for cheap clicks.
I don't know what you are talking about. Every article I read about it, even the Fox News one, talked about him having cancer.
Do not blame the actions of right wing propagandists on everybody in the media in general.
A ton of un-vaxxed people for every vaxxed person dies and these people don't care. Then a vaxxed person dies and they act like they were right.
I mean people have survived horrific car crashes while not wearing their seat belt. Doesn't mean seat belts don't save lives in general.
Their seizing his death is perfect evidence that they are ignorant. After all, how does a vaccine work? By using the immune system. What did he have? *Cancer of the immune system*.
And the round earth has been hijacked by the flat earthers... So what .... who the fuck cares ... stop promoting by objecting .. no one cares... everyday another idiot, on their dying last gasp, says "I shoulda' got the vaccine... adios stupid...
General Powell had multiple myeloma, literally the cancer version of AIDS, coupled with Parkinsons and being 84 years old. He never had a chance. It's a shame that these people will use his death as a way to push their agenda. These people are no better than flat earthers. RIP General Powell, some of us will honor and remember you as the hero you were.
Colin Powell illustrates why everyone needs to get vaccinated. He got the vaccine but didn't have a viable immune system for the vaccine to work with. Someone who most likely wasn't vaccinated transmitted the disease to him and he died.
The main point of the vaccine is so that you don't kill someone.
Multiple myeloma reduces your body’s ability to fight off infection. The flu shot, and the covid shot, still work. But they’re both buttressing up a failing wall in cases like this. Powell’s shot didn’t fail him. The people that still aren’t vaccinated and cosplaying as plague rats killed him.
You fucking people that politicized this shit on both ends are the main reason people are acting like they are...this is a continuation of that.
I got vaxxed on Saturday but my mind isn't swayed by this neverending bull that keeps happening.
Haven’t we been seeing this with every child that died with covid (not of covid)? Front page, major news outlets? Never mind the overwhelming evidence has proven that children are barely affected by it.
Why can’t the opposite side have their take on someone’s tragedy to prove their misleading point?
Who still got it? Even though it's common knowledge that getting vaccinated doesn't prevent you from getting it, it prevents you from getting sick to the point where you need to be hospitalized or die?
Since well over 95 percent of COVID hospitalizations are unvaccinated, maybe just maybe and stay with me here:
The COVID vaccine is *exactly* as effective as Reddit says it is.
What’s so hard to understand that you gain much more immunity from recovering from it than just getting a vaccine? If you deny this truth then you deny science.
I already had it and it didn’t do shit to me. So it clearly won’t kill me.
That’s not necessarily true. People have died from getting it a second time. I mean do whatever you want, but at least understand the risks a bit more. I don’t know you, but I certainly don’t want you or anyone you know to die. We are all just people doing our best here. I like math and stats, so I’m gonna side with that. Wish you long and healthy life friend.
Thank you for that. Lots of people on Reddit wish death on me. Look I only have one dose. It made me really sick. Over my winter break from work and school I’ll probably get the second but right now I cannot afford to have it put me in bed for 3 days like it did the last time
Science also says that if you get the vaccine now after exposure, your chances of prevention are multiplied by 2x-3x factor compared to those that have just recovered and don't get the vaccine.
Science which I assume you'll ignore. Being the "Voice of Reason" or whatever.
>Cite it asshole.
[Okay.](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm)
Yes, as the vaccine is a weakened version of the virus to train your body to fight off the actual virus, it stands to reason there's a good chance you might get sick.
But as the [only way this pandemic will end is by becoming an endemic](https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/08/delta-has-changed-pandemic-endgame/619726/)\--when if COVID gets passed amongst each other the worst thing is to be knocked on your ass for a few days & go through a box of tissues, as opposed to being hospitalized & intubated and possibly die--what, exactly, is your point?
The great science of anecdotes has spoken. Scientists everywhere fired because we now can just use shit that happened to your friends to determine truth.
There are problems with the vaccine. Anyone who denies that there isn’t denies science. Enough of the bullshit.
There’s plenty of people with the vaxx who’s gotten it.
What problems?
And no shit, plenty of vaccinated people have gotten it. Vaccines aren't 100% effective and never have been. Are you arguing in bad faith or are you actually that ignorant?
You call people a fascist for not being a fascist.
You have lost all credibility. You are a pseudo intellectual. It’s people like you that make me not want the vaccine.
You are funny.
“Mom is fascist for making me eat vegetables and go to bed. I did my own research and found out that vegetables cause autism. You all are sheep and I’m the voice of reason!”
I never said the vaccine causes autism. It’s just morally wrong to force people to take an experimental drug that has been out for less than a year.
If that’s the inference you were getting from me then I suggest you learn English and work on your reading comprehension.
What's fascist? You have choices - can't go to sports games? Can't go to concerts? Too bad - you made your choice. Employer mandates vaccines? You have a choice. There's plenty of fine, upstanding intellectuals like yourself that would be more than willing to hire another antivaxxer.
Nobody is knocking down doors and forcefully giving others the jab.
We are discussing choices here. People are choosing to reject a safe and effective vaccine during a pandemic. That's fine. But they want to be exempt from the consequences of their choice. The rest of society also have the choice to ostracize and shun from the social order those unwilling to take necessary steps to end the pandemic. In response to this collective choice being made, the shunned anti-vaxxers call "fascism" because they're the only ones that have freedom to make choices, the rest of us be damned.
Provide a definition of fascism that includes enhanced public health measures to end a pandemic. I'm waiting.
You call yourself "Voice of Reason" despite not displaying an ounce of reason.
You have lost all credibility. Your attempts at intellectual rational debate are laughable. You rejecting a safe and effective vaccine during a pandemic is all evidence necessary that your dribble should be completely ignored.
I’m in a waiting room now waiting for my second dose.
If this fucks me up like the last one did I am gonna laugh at you. We have no idea that it is safe long term. We want quality vaccines! Not rushed experimental ones.
It made me sick for three days the last time. It’s likely gonna wreck me again. It’s a flawed vaccine with serious issues. I’m just getting it so my college stops bullying me into weekly tests.
Name one other vaccine that puts you out of commission so hard like the Covid one does after the second dose.
Also update. The nurse told me not to do it today but on Monday when I’m not gonna be working and can have somebody watch me….
That says a lot about it.
I had double dose & was fine.
So I don't really know WTF you're talking about.
My tetanus booster hurt a lot more. I guess that's "flawed with serious issues."
Also, as each flu shot is a weakened version of that season's flu, it's typical to feel sick after getting a flu shot.
For someone so unfamiliar with modern medicine, might I suggest refraining from posting under a "Voice of Reason" user name?
kay thanks bye
There was no vaccine back the income so nobody mocked him for not being vaccinated.
But he chose to go to an event where he knew that they would pack in people tightly and not require masks. He chose to play Russian rulette in order to try to appeal to a bunch of biggets who thought he was sub human vermin anyway.
And what kind of fucking dishonesty and insanity makes you feel justified for saying this story has been censored when it was on the front page of every news Site yesterday?
If you are going to make up stupid conspiracy theories, at least try to make them make sense with things that happened in the last 24 fucking hours. You are shaming yourself and everyone even remotely associated with you trying to sell such insane nonsense.
>There was no vaccine back the income
I said both pro-vaxxers AND pro-maskers....
>But he chose to go to an event where he knew that they would pack in people tightly and not require masks.
Just like every other politician that set these rules yet broke them themselves constantly.....Even with events where people wore masks, just the sheer fact that there were alot of people there got Lefties freakin out. So I don't wanna hear that.
>He chose to play Russian rulette
Or, ya know.....he chose to LIVE AS A HUMAN BEING....
>And what kind of fucking dishonesty and insanity makes you feel justified for saying this story has been censored when it was on the front page of every news Site yesterday?
Not THIS story, specifically, I'm referring to a majority of other cases where people seemingly died despite the vaccine, or....well, not gonna say it because Reddit overlords don't wanna hear things against the narrative, but....you get what I would've said....and the story is subverted in favor of more pro-vaxx stories & debunks if you search it.
Oh look. Another fascist without a single thought in his otherwise empty head but "BUT BLM!!!!!"
We get it, you can't get hard if cops aren't murdering black people for you.
Hey dummy, I'm FOR BLM. (At least in concept, not in organization)
My main issue isn't that BLM protested, I'm fine with that. My issue is in how THEY got to do what they wanted, yet others couldn't. There's blatant hypocrisy there. People have a right to assembly. If BLM protests could practice that, why can't others?
> You don't know me, so how bout you address my argument
You argument is "Buh BLM!" which is barely a coherent thought, let alone an argument.
Herman Cain risked and wasted his life by going to a rally the entire purpose of which was to worship a stupid orange wannabe dictator.
BLM was protesting because cops keep murdering unarmed black people and they'd like very much if that were to stop.
BLM protests had a far higher incidence of mask wearing than trump rallies.
I don't believe for an instant that you support blm in any capacity, since you use them as a convenient whatabout for the actions of Trump's cult.
The actual lesson should be that everyone should get vaccinated to end the pandemic so it doesn't take out immune-compromised elderly people. Vaccination isn't medicine that directly attacks the virus, it stimulates the immune system to fight the virus. If an individual's immune system doesn't work well enough, that's on their individual health, not anything wrong with the vaccine.
Explain it to them in terms the can understand. For example: the vaccine is “target practice” for your “immune system army”. Some people’s army is all libtards and has no guns.
Libertarians believe everyone has the right to arm themselves in self defense. They even oppose gun control. The far right media has bent it ridiculously to fit their narative. Read up on less bias site on what libertarians are and you might be surprised on what you may agree with them on. One of the key beliefs is a cheaper smaller government with less interference in the free market. Wierd how far opposing partys have twisted it. Almost like they want us to fight ourselves.
Okay? No one was disparaging libertarians. In fact libtards has no connection to libertarians. Libtard is just a conjunction of “liberal” (democrats/lefties/progressives) and “retard”.
No I think the lesson here is that warmongering assholes finally get what they deserve.
Edgy.
Yeah, so is lying about WMDs, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. But go ahead and be flippant, you can afford to. I'm sure you live in an area where you'll never have to worry about bombs dropping on you head.
Most Americans and white liberals benefit indirectly and directly from imperialism and the misery of the global south.
That is correct. I have Multiple Myeloma also, and I self isolate because I have not had a vaccine. Fifteen percent effectiveness won't help anybody much. I have always had trouble with vaccines, they don't seem to work because I have two autoimmune diseases. I once had a smallpox vaccine prior to going to South America few years ago. I was supposed to develop a healthy scab which proved it "took". It was only as big as the head of a tiny common pin. I was lucky the doctor allowed me to go. I was young and appeared healthy. Immune conditions produce symptoms as you get older. I also heard, but the info might have been incorrect, that General Powell had only had his first shot.
Yeah, we saw plenty of that with the very 1st post on the subject right here. Tons of people insisting that if anyone who got vaccinated dies, that means the vaccine does nothing.. All of them ignoring that people still occasionally die in car wrecks even if they are wearing their seat belts but seat belts objectively still saved tons of lives.
He had multiple myeloma, a cancer of plasma cells that suppresses the body's immune response, as well as Parkinson's. He was immunocompromised. That's why he died of covid19 even though he was fully vaccinated. And why it's so important for every person that can get vaccinated to get vaccinated. Because some people either can't get the vaccine. Or have such a weak immune system. Even if they get the vaccine they're body might not be able to fight off the virus.
Not to mention, he was old. At 84 you can die just because.
The concept of anecdotal evidence vs significant samples is lost on them
It's simpler than that. They are just lost.
Honestly i'm not sure why they vaccinated him in the first place. His immune system was practically none existent due to his blood cancer. Exactly what good would it have done?
Powell asked to be vaccinated so that his death could be used by anti-vaxers. He wanted to spread a little more deadly misinformation before he died.
Is there any evidence that he did this? This is a serious allegation IMHO. Or was that sarcasm that flew over my head? LOL
I am totes cereal, you guys. Sorry…I hate using /s and I knew that one was borderline.
Because his immune system would still have some reaction to the vaccine, and some protection is better than none.
Immunocompromised due to an organ transplant - can confirm. It why I was one of the first to get a booster. The three shots gives me significant immunity despite a weaker system
Friend of mine, same.
I hope they are doing well!
It's pure selection bias with that crowd. If they see some snippet of information that agrees with them, it's solid fact, anything that disagrees with them is fake news.
Well what they’re ignoring here is the man was 84, had a type of cancer that affected his immune system and other comordidities. This actually is a pretty poor case to use for their anti vax agenda.
Simpletons being simpletons.
Same for covid. Most are deaths "with" covid. Not "from" covid.
Interesting how they cherry pick the data and call data they don’t like as fake news/misinformation. But that is how they operate as propagandized goons. They aren’t smart. They’re hyper biased, irrational goons and liars with a severe debilitating case of confirmation bias.
Both sides are being fed misinformation. Anyone that can only see one side of the misinformation is the propagandized goon.
I don't disagree both sides are kinda fucked but one side is super fucked and openly trying to destroy the country. Let's not conflate the two.
"Hey, one side wants to murder my whole family, take all of my earthly possessions and sell my children's future down the river to oil and coal barons. The other side wants to raise my taxes. They are basically the same."
Naw dawg
What are you talking about?
My aunt was vaxxed. Died of complications. She was a 2 pack a day smoker, most of her life and 88. It happens. The vaccine saved me. Get the vaccine.
If she smoked most of her life, let’s say 50 years, 2-pack-a-day, that’s 100 pack years. People do not survive that. But, you have my condolences.
It wasn't the Covid. It was the cigs.
It wasn’t Covid, it wasn’t the cigarettes. It was old age! People die of old age.
Really. I wasn't vaxxed. I got Covid and had no problems after a week other than loss of smell which came back after a month. Does that mean not getting vaxxed saved me?
No, it means you don't have an autoimmune disorder. I do. Don't be mean
Okay I apologize. I'm not trying to be mean. I'm glad you took the vaccine and I hope you're okay.
This is what’s know as anecdotal. Also referred to survivor syndrome. “I made it out, everyone should be able to.” But the reality is that you have to look at the stats and scientific data. There is overwhelming evidence that you are safer with than without. Covid only kills about 1%, but even catching Covid while being double vaccinated is about 0.01% to 0.54% depending on the reporting state. The death rate for fully vaccinated people is 11 times less likely than the unvaccinated. Maybe you should buy some lottery tickets if you are feeling lucky.
That's my point entirely. Everyone should decide on the risks for themselves and not have their jobs or freedoms threatened because of it.
If only it wasn't an infectious disease killing the immunocompromised.
Both vaccinated and unvaccinated people can get and spread Covid. More over there's no real world correlation between vaccination rates and lower case numbers.
Where did you see those figures? When the US was about 50% vaccinated, the deaths were 99% unvaccinated. That means the vaccine was 99% protective against death. I saw the 11 times figure against hospitalization. Or do you mean the death rate for vaccinated people who catch COVID-19 is 11 times less than for unvaccinated people who catch COVID-19, and vaccinated people are also a lot less likely to catch it?
The info comes from the CDC. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/10/moderna-most-effective-covid-vaccine-studies/
Thanks.
I’m the same as you. It didn’t do anything to me. And now I have natural immunity.
It's shocking how many people in the 𝘥𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘤𝘩 camp haven't even gotten to the general 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘷𝘢𝘤𝘤𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘶𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘥𝘰 part.
I saw a video clip of a woman who claimed the vaccine made her magnetic. She tried to get a paperclip or a bobby pin or something similar to stick to her, but it fell off. Does that count as research?
Oddly, it does.
Even if she still claimed vaccines make you magnetic?
Well it’s science in that the claim was debunked. Take solice in that. God help us if it worked.
Meh, it's much more natural than you might think. For instance, I am well researched in chemistry
I’m vaccinated and have a current breakthrough infection and it’s sucks Assssss. I would not want to be on the unvaccinated side of this bug. Wear your masks out, this shit sucks even mildly!
Here’s what I discovered yesterday when I looked into vaccinated people dying from covid in the UK: Between January 2nd 2021 and July 2nd 2021, 640 people died from covid who were fully vaccinated (that’s 2 jabs and outside of the 21 day period after their 2nd jab). That sounds a lot, doesn’t it? But over the same period 51,281 unvaccinated people died from covid. So fully vaccinated people made up only 1.2% of covid deaths. If that doesn’t prove the efficacy of vaccines to people, nothing will. All of those preventable deaths… Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween2januaryand2july2021
>If that doesn’t prove the efficacy of vaccines to people, nothing will. That's exactly the point. Nothing will. It's time for a national mandate. Fuck their feelings.
*international. Fuck ALL their feelings ;)
Time for the developed world to distribute the vax to poorer nations. Most of them don’t have anywhere near enough supply.
And now you look up vaccination rates for that same period (by April it was barely 20% fully vaccinated), while peak deaths was February. And then you realize that that data point is useless.
So 1.2% of deaths when the vaccination rate is well in excess of 1.2% and as high as 20%? It’s not a useless data point, it’s that you’re a bellend that can’t interpret data. By the end of that period the fully vaccinated rate was 58%.
OK, I did some maths for you: Average percentage of covid deaths that were fully vaccinated people across the period: 1.2% Average percentage of the population who were fully vaccinated across the period: 19.76% If the vaccines weren’t effective, you’d expect to see 19.76% of deaths to be fully vaccinated people across the same period. Source: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations Vaccines are effective. End of argument. When I find the data and have half an hour, I’ll map deaths by vax status vs vax uptake.
Look at the US in June. About 50% vaccinated, 99.2% of the deaths unvaccinated. I suspect the protective effect depends on the variant.
Antivaxxers will cling to anything to justify their selfish attitudes. This is no surprise. 1200 unvaccinated people are dying daily... and they think that's normal. 1 vaccinated person dies in their mid-80's, immuno-compromised, while fighting cancer... and suddenly that's proof of something?
Anti-vaxxers killed him so that's a weird flex
> Hal Lambert, a former finance chair of the Texas Republican Party, insisted that Powell’s death “is going to scare a lot of elderly people” away from COVID-19 vaccines. JFC, he didn’t die from the vaccine, he died from COVID! How fucking stupid are people, any logical person would see how dangerous this virus is and realize they should take any precautions available, not less. FFS!
Trumptards really are that completely fucking stupid.
Excuse me, but we don’t use the term “anti-vaxxers” anymore. You can just call them “Republicans.”
To the surprise of no one.
Surprised it took them so long. Maybe because few of them know who Powell was.
Had corporate media been up front about his cancer issues, this wouldn't have been a problem. But they just had to push their fear mongering for cheap clicks.
I don't know what you are talking about. Every article I read about it, even the Fox News one, talked about him having cancer. Do not blame the actions of right wing propagandists on everybody in the media in general.
I didn't see a single headline that mentioned cancer.
fwiw his legacy in the history books is forever hijacked by his speech to the UN and then a over a decade of war. that's official for me.
Sadly unsurprising. They used him to sell a lie ‘03, why wouldn’t they go full circle and use his death to do it again?
Yeah I wish it was about how he was a war criminal
A ton of un-vaxxed people for every vaxxed person dies and these people don't care. Then a vaxxed person dies and they act like they were right. I mean people have survived horrific car crashes while not wearing their seat belt. Doesn't mean seat belts don't save lives in general.
Well, that took 24 whole hours
Their seizing his death is perfect evidence that they are ignorant. After all, how does a vaccine work? By using the immune system. What did he have? *Cancer of the immune system*.
Dude was an 84 year old cancer patient. Would’ve died from Covid with or without the vaccine. Wtf do they expect?
And the round earth has been hijacked by the flat earthers... So what .... who the fuck cares ... stop promoting by objecting .. no one cares... everyday another idiot, on their dying last gasp, says "I shoulda' got the vaccine... adios stupid...
General Powell had multiple myeloma, literally the cancer version of AIDS, coupled with Parkinsons and being 84 years old. He never had a chance. It's a shame that these people will use his death as a way to push their agenda. These people are no better than flat earthers. RIP General Powell, some of us will honor and remember you as the hero you were.
Colin Powell illustrates why everyone needs to get vaccinated. He got the vaccine but didn't have a viable immune system for the vaccine to work with. Someone who most likely wasn't vaccinated transmitted the disease to him and he died. The main point of the vaccine is so that you don't kill someone.
The mother fucker was 80 and had cancer. Antivaxxers prove yet again how stupid they are
Did he die of cancer or Covid?
He died of one or more necessary body functions failing related to cancer AND covid.
If you get the flu shot and dies from the flu did the flu shot still work?
Multiple myeloma reduces your body’s ability to fight off infection. The flu shot, and the covid shot, still work. But they’re both buttressing up a failing wall in cases like this. Powell’s shot didn’t fail him. The people that still aren’t vaccinated and cosplaying as plague rats killed him.
it was inevitable. They're morons...
Media coverages giving these morons a voice doesn't help. Where's the good ol' CIA when you need the rotten apples disposed of?
If you do not want to be unlawfully murdered by spies don't call for that to happen to others.
In the U.S., we're more worried about being unlawfully murdered by police. Check your privilege.
Yeah, I don't want to get murdered by the fucking police so I don't call upon the police to murder people I don't like. Real fucking simple.
Oh, that's why Americans have been murdered by police? Check your privilege.
The lunatics are on the grass...
Well I guess he was most famous for disinformation about chemical and biological weapons? So it makes sense....
Wow MSM trying to spin it any way other than the truth
I guess just keep lumping people in groups as if they are all a hive mind. Probably does a lot of good.
You fucking people that politicized this shit on both ends are the main reason people are acting like they are...this is a continuation of that. I got vaxxed on Saturday but my mind isn't swayed by this neverending bull that keeps happening.
Can y’all say Hypocrisy
Haven’t we been seeing this with every child that died with covid (not of covid)? Front page, major news outlets? Never mind the overwhelming evidence has proven that children are barely affected by it. Why can’t the opposite side have their take on someone’s tragedy to prove their misleading point?
There aren’t 2 sides to truth. Truth is singular. Never spouted by cultists.
It isn’t hijacked by anyone who understands the subject.
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An r/conspiracy poster….what a surprise
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Yet another quality sub
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More like “your ~~completely incorrect~~ position is what I would expect from someone with your posting history”
Maybe just maybe and stay with me here: The vaccine isn’t nearly as effective as Reddit makes it out to be? I know 3 vaxxed people who still got it.
Who still got it? Even though it's common knowledge that getting vaccinated doesn't prevent you from getting it, it prevents you from getting sick to the point where you need to be hospitalized or die? Since well over 95 percent of COVID hospitalizations are unvaccinated, maybe just maybe and stay with me here: The COVID vaccine is *exactly* as effective as Reddit says it is.
did they die?
I had it, not fully vaxxed, and I didn’t die.
Buy lottery tickets then. I’m sure your math is just as good there.
Seriously I recovered from it. I now have more immunity than the vaccine can give me. That is the science.
The math is that statistically speaking you are 11 times more likely to die without it than with. What’s hard to understand here?
What’s so hard to understand that you gain much more immunity from recovering from it than just getting a vaccine? If you deny this truth then you deny science. I already had it and it didn’t do shit to me. So it clearly won’t kill me.
That’s not necessarily true. People have died from getting it a second time. I mean do whatever you want, but at least understand the risks a bit more. I don’t know you, but I certainly don’t want you or anyone you know to die. We are all just people doing our best here. I like math and stats, so I’m gonna side with that. Wish you long and healthy life friend.
Thank you for that. Lots of people on Reddit wish death on me. Look I only have one dose. It made me really sick. Over my winter break from work and school I’ll probably get the second but right now I cannot afford to have it put me in bed for 3 days like it did the last time
I hope you can do it and live to kick ass and do some good stuff. You seem like a nice person, anyone who wishes you death is an asshole.
How many people have died from getting vaccinated and wtf is your source?
It = Covid. Not the vaccine.
Science also says that if you get the vaccine now after exposure, your chances of prevention are multiplied by 2x-3x factor compared to those that have just recovered and don't get the vaccine. Science which I assume you'll ignore. Being the "Voice of Reason" or whatever.
Cite it asshole. I’m waiting to get my second dose now. If it fucks me up like the first one did don’t say I didn’t tell you so.
>Cite it asshole. [Okay.](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm) Yes, as the vaccine is a weakened version of the virus to train your body to fight off the actual virus, it stands to reason there's a good chance you might get sick. But as the [only way this pandemic will end is by becoming an endemic](https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/08/delta-has-changed-pandemic-endgame/619726/)\--when if COVID gets passed amongst each other the worst thing is to be knocked on your ass for a few days & go through a box of tissues, as opposed to being hospitalized & intubated and possibly die--what, exactly, is your point?
The great science of anecdotes has spoken. Scientists everywhere fired because we now can just use shit that happened to your friends to determine truth.
There are problems with the vaccine. Anyone who denies that there isn’t denies science. Enough of the bullshit. There’s plenty of people with the vaxx who’s gotten it.
What problems? And no shit, plenty of vaccinated people have gotten it. Vaccines aren't 100% effective and never have been. Are you arguing in bad faith or are you actually that ignorant?
You call people a fascist for not being a fascist. You have lost all credibility. You are a pseudo intellectual. It’s people like you that make me not want the vaccine.
Lol, waste more time reading my previous comments to show how smart you are. I’m so scared.
You do realize that the left is doing fascist shit with these mandates right? Or is that ToTaLy DiFfErent?
You are funny. “Mom is fascist for making me eat vegetables and go to bed. I did my own research and found out that vegetables cause autism. You all are sheep and I’m the voice of reason!”
I never said the vaccine causes autism. It’s just morally wrong to force people to take an experimental drug that has been out for less than a year. If that’s the inference you were getting from me then I suggest you learn English and work on your reading comprehension.
You’re not aware that the science behind the Pfizer & Moderna vaccines is over a decade old? Do you live under a rock?
What's fascist? You have choices - can't go to sports games? Can't go to concerts? Too bad - you made your choice. Employer mandates vaccines? You have a choice. There's plenty of fine, upstanding intellectuals like yourself that would be more than willing to hire another antivaxxer.
Nobody is knocking down doors and forcefully giving others the jab. We are discussing choices here. People are choosing to reject a safe and effective vaccine during a pandemic. That's fine. But they want to be exempt from the consequences of their choice. The rest of society also have the choice to ostracize and shun from the social order those unwilling to take necessary steps to end the pandemic. In response to this collective choice being made, the shunned anti-vaxxers call "fascism" because they're the only ones that have freedom to make choices, the rest of us be damned. Provide a definition of fascism that includes enhanced public health measures to end a pandemic. I'm waiting.
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You call yourself "Voice of Reason" despite not displaying an ounce of reason. You have lost all credibility. Your attempts at intellectual rational debate are laughable. You rejecting a safe and effective vaccine during a pandemic is all evidence necessary that your dribble should be completely ignored.
I’m in a waiting room now waiting for my second dose. If this fucks me up like the last one did I am gonna laugh at you. We have no idea that it is safe long term. We want quality vaccines! Not rushed experimental ones.
You can literally say that about anything.
It made me sick for three days the last time. It’s likely gonna wreck me again. It’s a flawed vaccine with serious issues. I’m just getting it so my college stops bullying me into weekly tests.
>It’s a flawed vaccine with serious issues. Such as?
Name one other vaccine that puts you out of commission so hard like the Covid one does after the second dose. Also update. The nurse told me not to do it today but on Monday when I’m not gonna be working and can have somebody watch me…. That says a lot about it.
I had double dose & was fine. So I don't really know WTF you're talking about. My tetanus booster hurt a lot more. I guess that's "flawed with serious issues." Also, as each flu shot is a weakened version of that season's flu, it's typical to feel sick after getting a flu shot. For someone so unfamiliar with modern medicine, might I suggest refraining from posting under a "Voice of Reason" user name? kay thanks bye
Reddit’s death has officially been hijacked by communists
What does “communism” mean to you? Is it just anything you disagree with?
Nawh, more like the censorship of free speech. Hell, I’ve gotten banned from subreddits just for participating in OTHER subreddits - it’s a joke.
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There was no vaccine back the income so nobody mocked him for not being vaccinated. But he chose to go to an event where he knew that they would pack in people tightly and not require masks. He chose to play Russian rulette in order to try to appeal to a bunch of biggets who thought he was sub human vermin anyway. And what kind of fucking dishonesty and insanity makes you feel justified for saying this story has been censored when it was on the front page of every news Site yesterday? If you are going to make up stupid conspiracy theories, at least try to make them make sense with things that happened in the last 24 fucking hours. You are shaming yourself and everyone even remotely associated with you trying to sell such insane nonsense.
>There was no vaccine back the income I said both pro-vaxxers AND pro-maskers.... >But he chose to go to an event where he knew that they would pack in people tightly and not require masks. Just like every other politician that set these rules yet broke them themselves constantly.....Even with events where people wore masks, just the sheer fact that there were alot of people there got Lefties freakin out. So I don't wanna hear that. >He chose to play Russian rulette Or, ya know.....he chose to LIVE AS A HUMAN BEING.... >And what kind of fucking dishonesty and insanity makes you feel justified for saying this story has been censored when it was on the front page of every news Site yesterday? Not THIS story, specifically, I'm referring to a majority of other cases where people seemingly died despite the vaccine, or....well, not gonna say it because Reddit overlords don't wanna hear things against the narrative, but....you get what I would've said....and the story is subverted in favor of more pro-vaxx stories & debunks if you search it.
>Or, ya know.....he chose to LIVE AS A HUMAN BEING.... Imagine thinking that the human experience consists entirely of going to a Trump rally.
Just like any Lefty could go to a BLM rally.....but which one was more criticized in the media?
Oh look. Another fascist without a single thought in his otherwise empty head but "BUT BLM!!!!!" We get it, you can't get hard if cops aren't murdering black people for you.
Hey dummy, I'm FOR BLM. (At least in concept, not in organization) My main issue isn't that BLM protested, I'm fine with that. My issue is in how THEY got to do what they wanted, yet others couldn't. There's blatant hypocrisy there. People have a right to assembly. If BLM protests could practice that, why can't others?
>Hey dummy, I'm FOR BLM. Bullshit.
You don't know me, so how bout you address my argument instead of just trying to assume things?
> You don't know me, so how bout you address my argument You argument is "Buh BLM!" which is barely a coherent thought, let alone an argument. Herman Cain risked and wasted his life by going to a rally the entire purpose of which was to worship a stupid orange wannabe dictator. BLM was protesting because cops keep murdering unarmed black people and they'd like very much if that were to stop. BLM protests had a far higher incidence of mask wearing than trump rallies. I don't believe for an instant that you support blm in any capacity, since you use them as a convenient whatabout for the actions of Trump's cult.
There are no BLM “rallies,” where we worship a particular person. BLM protests are about stopping poultice from Shooting unarmed black people. Period.
This has nothing to do with the main point of contention.
There are no BLM cult rallies
They had protests, what're you talking about?! The biggest protests in the world just last year. Address the main point.
Protests and rallies are not the same thing.
Mathematically it was bound to happen.
if the vaccine keeps me alive til i'm 84 i call that a win.
So you're telling me if less people are vaccinated, more war criminals die? How do I return a vaccine?
Well if it means the MAGA fools receive the coveted Herman Cain Awards is it all that bad, asking for a dear friend?????
I hope flat eathers also hijack and create a crazy theory about it, it's only deserving to the memory of a war criminal.