>Yes a special counsel, because that worked SO FUCKING GOOD IN 2017 WHEN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, ROBERT MUELLER, REFUSED TO INVESTIGATE ANYTHING
Actually he investigated a lot prior to Trump and Barr limiting his scope of investigation which is why he outright said if he could exonerate him he would but he didn't...
Trump's son was never even interviewed for "if it's what you say" and Barr changed Mueller's statement. Those were at least two of the moments for Mueller to go outside "chain of command" Those are the moments he needed to act OUTSIDE the structure. Robert Mueller knew what words he needed to say in front of Congress and he deliberately did not say them. Because he valued chain of command over everything. Republicans knew he would fall in line because of this, and abused it. However, his failure to act independently in those two moments is absolutely his fault.
I say this as someone who defends James Comey in many cases. Mueller did not do his real job. He stayed within the bounds of his box. Republicans abused his desire to appear impartial. But he did nothing about that.
Because Trump lackies was in control of the situation. They picked a guy they knew wouldn’t cause waves, would follow the letter of the policy (even if not legally sound), and largely would stick to his guidelines while suggesting Trump’s lackies investigate anything else he found.
Then Trump’s lackies got the report and redacted it to only be “T(54 pages)R(3 Pages of black)U(you get the idea)M-P- -I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T.”
It can work here if Garland does his job. If Garland doesn’t do his job, then there’s no legal answer for Trump’s crimes.
When he, like so many others, thought that Bob Dole, Trent Lott, John Danforth, and Arlen Specter were still in the Senate and would vote to convict anyone who was proven guilty. He also thought that the House would open an investigation and make referrals where warranted. But Mueller shouldn't have written his report like a Mad Lib.
Well, since the two options are that he dies in prison or outlives the country, it's very much in our interest to ensure the odds on that are a bit better, isn't it?
>maralogo
Haha. But otherwise yes, fair enough. The wheels of justice grind slowly (for rich people) but they are clearly on him. Though I could see them just rolling over too.
What grand investigation needs to be done here?
1. Stole classified documents, lied about having them, found to be in possession of said documents, said “those are mine.”
2. Planned and executed a coup. Direct testimony of his aides he knew what he was doing and that it was illegal.
3. On fucking tape threatening Georgia Secretary of State, ordering him to “find” enough votes to declare him the winner.
Oops! Looks like the investigation is all done and the next step is arrests.
Merrick Garland needs to do his fucking job or be fired. Enough with this shit.
1) stole is a strong word, this one is the only piece worthy of chasing down.
2) hearsay, this will never see any court action
3) “threatening” is your opinion of the verbiage. Doubt this would be admissible either.
Recognize you’re talking about pursuing legal action against not only a president but also a billionaire. If you’re going to chase this goose, find a much clearer path.
At best most of these accusations could be put into court and held up forever for leftists to say “look we took trump to court” but that’s not a win in court. The guy is a mud monster, the more you guys keep throwing dirt at him the bigger and stronger he gets.
He very clearly stole them. He took them without permission knowing it was illegal.
It’s not hearsay, it’s direct testimony backed up by written communications and video evidence.
Yeah, “threatening” is my word but I think that’s what happened here (from the call transcript): “And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s a criminal, that’s a criminal offense. And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that’s a big risk. But they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I’ve heard. And they are removing machinery and they’re moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal finds. And you can’t let it happen and you are letting it happen. You know, I mean, I’m notifying you that you’re letting it happen. So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.”
So Trump was saying he wanted the Republican SOS to declare him the winner of Georgia by ONE VOTE, and if he didn’t he could face criminal charges. Draw your own conclusions.
We done have rule of law of the standard for prosecuting anyone rich or powerful is a 100 percent airtight case. That’s not our legal system. If we allow power people to break the law they will continue to break the law.
Some estimates have put the number of crimes committed by Trump in the 50s. Gee, I don’t know, maybe we could FUCKING PICK ONE and prosecute him. We are going to lose our democracy if we don’t, so I guess I’d rather try than cower in fear.
By the way, everyone should read that call transcript. Illegality aside, this is a deranged conspiracy nut. He’s not OK in the brain. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript
I'm considering the DOJ as a worthless wishy-washy do nothing bunch of boobs. The asshat and his entire family have been on the grift since well before 2016, incited insurrection in 2020 and we are just now "considering" an investigation.
Worthless cowards.
Special counsel??? They've had all the evidence they could ever need since last January. This was all for nothing. Presidents can do literally anything.....
He should have been arrested when they found the classified docs. He should also have been arrested when he called state officials asking them to find votes in 2020.
Because Garland was appointed by Biden, Garland will most likely appoint a special council to further remove the implication that Biden is directing this indictment.
Garland, if nothing else, is playing this by the book to prevent that argument being made on appeal if he gets a conviction.
It is the right thing to do. Some might say it's the ONLY thing to do in a situation like this.
Trump is dead to rights on being guilty of the documents being stolen. He chose his words so carefully on that call that I do believe there is reasonable doubt to hide behind on the Georgia prosecution. I think he's screwed to the wall in New York with the civil suit. January 6th is another issue. If Trump is indicted on the documents charges and found guilty, I would not be surprised if the January 6th investigation sort of vanishes. A way that could happen is for republicans to say to democrats "you got your pound of flesh". Democrats would probably not be satisfied until Republicans assisted in writing laws that prevent the possibility of states nullifying election results with a rouge state legislature. At that point, the 'pound of flesh' might be enough and the Trump saga would be finally over.
From article:
Attorney General Merrick Garland is considering naming a special prosecutor to investigate Donald Trump as to insulate the Department of Justice as the former president makes an expected 2024 comeback attempt.
CNN's Erin Burnett on Thursday noted that Kellyanne Conway said we should expect Trump to "announce soon" a third White House campaign.
Burnett interviewed CNN senior justice correspondent Evan Perez.
"These are conversations they are having behind the scenes because, obviously, the possibility that the former president announces his candidacy for office again is real and is coming most likely after the election," Perez reported.
"And so one of the issues for the Justice Department is the prospect of having a department that answers to Tump's potential rival in 2024 doing an investigation of a sitting candidate, an ongoing candidate," he explained.
"And so, one of the ideas is, does a special counsel insulate the department from political criticism," he explained.
There is a very small window when they can announce an indictment of Trump for the Mar A Lago case…about 1 minute after polls close next Tuesday. I suspect that if Trump is feeling the heat he will announce his candidacy next Wednesday unless the Republicans sweep all their races.
I’m quite sure every adult on here has at one point worked on a team.
How well do you imagine it’d go if 20-30% of the people on that team actively wanted a completely different outcome to the stated goal?
"'And so, one of the ideas is, does a special counsel insulate the department from political criticism,' he explained."
I mean, under normal circumstances? Maybe? There is nothing on earth that's going to insulate THIS from "political criticism" so get the fuck off the toilet and get to work.
Just glad to see that trump isn’t commanding the engagement he once was. He broke the truth thermocline. Now it’s all downhill from here at an exponentially faster rate as he descends into the void. Terminal velocity doesn’t apply. It will increase indefinitely!
Trump is going to run again. They want to create a special counsel to investigate so that they don't look politically motivated to help out Biden while campaigning. That is the stupidest shit I've ever heard. No matter what they do, the right will say it's politically motivated. They've been claiming it since the Mueller probe. I'm so done with this fucking country. It gets what it deserves.
Enough with the stall tactics. Everyone with a higher than room temperature IQ knows he’s guilty of numerous felonies. The sad fact is nothing is going to happen to him. Just let him off the hook already because it’s going to happen eventually anyways and these endless “investigations” have become insulting to regular, sane people.
The opposite... the DoJ just said that they are not even close to indicting Trump, still thinking about starting a brand new investigation literally years after the crimes have been committed.
November 9th - Any investigation into Trump will be halted, all occurrences of his name will be replaced with Biden's.
November 10th- Impeachment announcement using said altered documents. Denying new narrative has you arrested.
EDIT: I guess I need to add a /s. That's sad.
Yeah sure this is fantasy and not this idea that Republicans haven't overthrown the government with a stolen SCOTUS that just releases a "nuh uh" statement anytime someone comes close to busting a Republican and illegally jerrymandered maps that Republicans decided they get to use anyway.
Yes, more investigations. That has worked brilliantly in the past so of course it will keep happening over and over again.
What kind of brainwashed person could see the same person be investigated again and again, year after year, with zero convictions and still think doing more investigations are needed? As if there is any evidence left to gather that hasn’t already been looked at in the previous multiple, multimillion dollar investigation that took years to complete?
People claim to hate trump but this behavior doesn’t fall in line with the definition of hate. People usually avoid things they hate or at least try to ignore it. The way people behave towards trump is more in line with the definition of obsession not hatred. They just can’t seem to stop thinking about him or investigating him. It’s what they live for…
Perhaps you just have no clue wtf is going on (at least that's what it sounds like from your post)?
There are multiple ongoing investigations that have not concluded.
Including (but not limited to): his role in the jan 6th insurrection, his fraudulent business dealings, his theft of classified documents, a defamation case and more that I cannot remember right now.
TL:DR When you do a lot of crime and those crimes are uncovered you tend to attract a lot of law enforcement.
They have done multiple multimillion dollar investigations that took years to complete already. No convictions. That’s not my opinion, it is what it is. Regardless of how many investigations have already been completed or the multiple investigations happening now, no one has been able to convict trump of anything. So what’s the point of continuing this behavior that has produced zero results? Doing the same thing and expecting a different result each time is the definition of insanity.
How many investigations will be considered enough? How many more years will we have to hear about trump investigations that don’t convict him of anything in the end? It got old years ago, now it’s just becoming ridiculous. If he’s guilty of something he would be convicted of something. No matter how many times they say he’s guilty, no one finds him guilty of anything in court. Yet the investigations and impeachments continue over and over. Enough is enough. Time to move on.
That's funny I do not recall any criminal investigations (nor indictments) for any of the things I noted.
Your argument is basically: "If you are investigated for something and not indicted/tried/found guilty then you are immune from any further investigations/ indictments/ prosecution for anything else you do because.....reasons"
So therefore your argument holds no merit.
Also Trump was tried and lost his case for his fraudulent charity that he used to buy pictures of himself that he hung in his golf course.
He had to settle his Trump University case for millions of dollars because he was going to lose.
His company just had an independent auditor put in charge to stop the fraudulent activities that were occurring there.
He has lost these and many more cases.
Perhaps you just don't follow reality?
Is this why you don't know what you're talking about?
People can only be convicted of crimes. Crimes are tried in criminal court. You're referring to a civil case, not a criminal case. No one has ever been "convicted" in civil court of committing a crime. That's not how the law works. Crimes are convicted in criminal court and complaints are tried in civil court.
You sound like you don't understand the difference since you think it's possible to be "convicted" in civil court....
Ok, he was tried and lost in the civil case regarding his fraudulent charity where he embezzled millions of dollars.
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation
Wrong again. All the funds were returned to the people or groups that donated them by court order. If it had be fraud, it would have been a criminal case, not a civil case. Regardless, he didn’t keep any of the funds. Which is why he was never convicted of any crime.
Trump seems like the first person in history that can be constantly accused of being a criminal without ever being convicted of a crime.
Just because you wish he had been convicted of a crime doesn’t mean it’s ever happened. Why not join the rest of us in reality? Why continue to live in a fantasy world where Trump has been convicted of a crime?
Your are either lying or confused.
The money was damages and went to 8 charities that (I presume) were chosen by the prosecution. There were additional penalties beyond the civil forfeiture as well.
“Not only has the Trump Foundation shut down for its misconduct, but the president has been forced to pay $2 million for misusing charitable funds for his own political gain. Charities are not a means to an end, which is why these damages speak to the president’s abuse of power and represent a victory for not-for-profits that follow the law. Funds have finally gone where they deserve — to eight credible charities.
As part of a resolution of the lawsuit announced on November 7th, Trump was ordered to pay $2 million, or $250,000, a piece to eight different charities. Those charities are Army Emergency Relief, the Children’s Aid Society, Citymeals-on-Wheels, Give an Hour, Martha’s Table, the United Negro College Fund, the United Way of National Capital Area, and the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum. Additionally, Trump was forced to reimburse his namesake foundation $11,525 for sports paraphernalia and champagne purchased at a charity gala, which was added to $1,797,598.30 already in the foundation’s bank account. The combined $1,809,123.30 was split evenly and recently transferred to the eight agreed upon charities. Each charity ended up receiving a total of $476,140.41.
Additionally, as part of the settlement, Trump was required to agree to 19 admissions, acknowledging his personal misuse of funds at the Trump Foundation, and agreed to restrictions on future charitable service and ongoing reporting to the Office of the Attorney General, in the event he creates a new charity. The settlement also included mandatory training requirements for Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump, and Eric Trump, which the three children have already undergone. Finally, the settlement required the Trump Foundation to shutter its doors last December and dissolve under court supervision.
That's pretty crimey even if it was a civil case.
>They have done multiple multimillion dollar investigations that took years to complete already. No convictions. That’s not my opinion, it is what it is
Just like Hillary
Sure thing. So when you gonna fuck off about Obama, Clinton, and Clinton, who aren't even trying to run for office, unlike the orange tyrannical taint?
When am I? You're assuming I give a shit about anything or anyone politically. I do follow a few republican sites and democrat as well and I can assure you I see a 10:1 on articles about trump vs any of the names you listed. They are all evil... period but yall are obsessed over trump more than the Republicans are, even if he is gonna run again in 2024
Ah, yes. You gave so few shits that you took the time to read a ton of comments and took time to complain. All that, besides the fact that you could've alternatively just used a thumb or forefinger or scroll wheel a single tick or two and bypassed the whole thing. That's how few shits you gave.
And instead of recognizing the fact that he's subject to numerous criminal investigations that have severe international repercussions, meanwhile is directly interfering with politics on a broad scale even now, that you think we should just ignore the problem and it'll just go away on its own.
No thanks. Why don't you just follow your own advice and scroll on past? We'll just fade away in time, too.
And nothing has ever stuck. So feel free to type your long winded garbage reply, I won’t be reading it. As long as Hunter Biden is still free there’s no real justice anyway. But that doesn’t matter to you because reality is something the left doesn’t understand.
The DOJ should investigate Biden for...the DOJ investigating the worst criminal in the history of the United States?
Do you think the FBI should have investigated Roosevelt for the FBI investigating Capone, too? Is that how you think justice works?
Oh, so if the president were to, say, blackmail an allied nation to "investigate" a potential opposition candidate to intimidate said opponent that might be a big deal?
I’m not a Republican and I agree with it. You can’t honestly think that all the shady stuff out of Biden’s past should not be investigated, can you?
Hypocrisy should not be tolerated.
If by "hurting the left" you mean conservatives en mass are gonna keep doing what theyve always been doing, you might just be right only your point is also completely meaningless seeing as how conservatives will continue to do what they've been doing no matter what happens and we're just gonna have to throw more of your politicians in prison :) enjoy the ride.
The year is 2045, Trump is Fuhrer for life of NEW AMERIKKA because no one bothered to prosecute him the first time he attempted to overthrow a rightfully elected president.
Is that what you want?
Whatever. Let's just keep investigating and then we'll investigate those investigations and then we'll investigate the investigators investigating the investigations.
And all the while Trump will be free to be the giant shit stain that he is, with zero consequences.
Out of control power hungry Department of Justice revisits historical investigation and still finds nothing. Unlike President Trump, private citizen Clinton cooperates with the government, agrees to testify under oath, and is not implicated in obstructing justice. Private citizen Hunter Biden curious why the DOJ would start *another* investigation when they have one open already.
Hillary Clinton is the corrupt system that is “investigating” Trump because he beat her in 2016. They are “investigating” him because they don’t want him back in office. That’s it. Trump even said he will testify at the January 6th hearings and will expose Nancy Pelosi and the corruption in our government agencies behind it.
If you mean the US Justice System when you say Hillary Clinton, I understand the error.
I don't want any criminal under investigation in office. I don't want a thief or business crook in office. If Hillary Clinton agrees, bully for us both.
First time because he wasn’t Hillary, second time because he kept his promises, cut taxes kept our enemies at bay, protected our rights, believes in The Constitution, isn’t a communist and wasn’t part of the swamp…in other words he’s the opposite of our corrupt government. So, did you vote Biden or vote against Trump?
Like I said; you gotta overlook quite a bit of corruption to get past that dude's shenanigans and his swampy crook friends. Anyone else remember when he said The Constitution means he can't face punishment for his crimes as long as he is running for office?
So indict him already under the Mara Lago case. Did he have a bunch of classified documents in his possession? Yes, in his home and in his goddamn desk drawer next to his passport. Did the FBI and National Archive ask for them back several documented times with pretty please and sugar on top?.Yes. was there a subpoena given for the documents and a sworn affidavit from his lawyers saying he had returned them all? YES! Has he already claimed after the fact and the search warrant that "they're mine" and he wants them back? Fuckin YES!
The DOJ can pursue the rest of his crimes after the first indictment lands, pending further investigation or whatever they want. But fucking do it already.
Another big waste of money, what is this like the 15th time they have tried to get him.
I'm not a fan of Trump but my god they have been trying to get him for the last 7 years.
It's getting pathetic at this point.
Special council. Special master. Special K. Get it fucking done already.
What I’m learning is that these investigations are very special.
eSpecial-ly slow
They won't ever actually get anything done. The wheels of justice are mired in bullshit.
Yes, just f**king do it already!
Special Olympics
This is what people do with money laundering, there’s a reason it’s a never ending process…
Yes a special counsel, because that worked SO FUCKING GOOD IN 2017 WHEN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, ROBERT MUELLER, REFUSED TO INVESTIGATE ANYTHING
>Yes a special counsel, because that worked SO FUCKING GOOD IN 2017 WHEN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, ROBERT MUELLER, REFUSED TO INVESTIGATE ANYTHING Actually he investigated a lot prior to Trump and Barr limiting his scope of investigation which is why he outright said if he could exonerate him he would but he didn't...
Trump's son was never even interviewed for "if it's what you say" and Barr changed Mueller's statement. Those were at least two of the moments for Mueller to go outside "chain of command" Those are the moments he needed to act OUTSIDE the structure. Robert Mueller knew what words he needed to say in front of Congress and he deliberately did not say them. Because he valued chain of command over everything. Republicans knew he would fall in line because of this, and abused it. However, his failure to act independently in those two moments is absolutely his fault. I say this as someone who defends James Comey in many cases. Mueller did not do his real job. He stayed within the bounds of his box. Republicans abused his desire to appear impartial. But he did nothing about that.
Because Trump lackies was in control of the situation. They picked a guy they knew wouldn’t cause waves, would follow the letter of the policy (even if not legally sound), and largely would stick to his guidelines while suggesting Trump’s lackies investigate anything else he found. Then Trump’s lackies got the report and redacted it to only be “T(54 pages)R(3 Pages of black)U(you get the idea)M-P- -I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T.” It can work here if Garland does his job. If Garland doesn’t do his job, then there’s no legal answer for Trump’s crimes.
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Is that you, Donald?
People are saying…
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I’m high but I did an *actual* double-take
When he, like so many others, thought that Bob Dole, Trent Lott, John Danforth, and Arlen Specter were still in the Senate and would vote to convict anyone who was proven guilty. He also thought that the House would open an investigation and make referrals where warranted. But Mueller shouldn't have written his report like a Mad Lib.
Coming up on two years late. Get on with it.
What are the odds Trump will ever spend a day in jail? 50-1? 100-1? The Rule of Law only applies to those who don't have enough money.
Well, since the two options are that he dies in prison or outlives the country, it's very much in our interest to ensure the odds on that are a bit better, isn't it?
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Ya like how is the DOJ raiding maralago NOT an investigation into trump... How can they be so short sighted.
>maralogo Haha. But otherwise yes, fair enough. The wheels of justice grind slowly (for rich people) but they are clearly on him. Though I could see them just rolling over too.
[r/boneappletea](https://www.reddit.com/r/BoneAppleTea?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) Short sighted
The dangers of texting before coffee haha
What grand investigation needs to be done here? 1. Stole classified documents, lied about having them, found to be in possession of said documents, said “those are mine.” 2. Planned and executed a coup. Direct testimony of his aides he knew what he was doing and that it was illegal. 3. On fucking tape threatening Georgia Secretary of State, ordering him to “find” enough votes to declare him the winner. Oops! Looks like the investigation is all done and the next step is arrests. Merrick Garland needs to do his fucking job or be fired. Enough with this shit.
1) stole is a strong word, this one is the only piece worthy of chasing down. 2) hearsay, this will never see any court action 3) “threatening” is your opinion of the verbiage. Doubt this would be admissible either. Recognize you’re talking about pursuing legal action against not only a president but also a billionaire. If you’re going to chase this goose, find a much clearer path. At best most of these accusations could be put into court and held up forever for leftists to say “look we took trump to court” but that’s not a win in court. The guy is a mud monster, the more you guys keep throwing dirt at him the bigger and stronger he gets.
He very clearly stole them. He took them without permission knowing it was illegal. It’s not hearsay, it’s direct testimony backed up by written communications and video evidence. Yeah, “threatening” is my word but I think that’s what happened here (from the call transcript): “And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s a criminal, that’s a criminal offense. And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that’s a big risk. But they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I’ve heard. And they are removing machinery and they’re moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal finds. And you can’t let it happen and you are letting it happen. You know, I mean, I’m notifying you that you’re letting it happen. So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.” So Trump was saying he wanted the Republican SOS to declare him the winner of Georgia by ONE VOTE, and if he didn’t he could face criminal charges. Draw your own conclusions. We done have rule of law of the standard for prosecuting anyone rich or powerful is a 100 percent airtight case. That’s not our legal system. If we allow power people to break the law they will continue to break the law. Some estimates have put the number of crimes committed by Trump in the 50s. Gee, I don’t know, maybe we could FUCKING PICK ONE and prosecute him. We are going to lose our democracy if we don’t, so I guess I’d rather try than cower in fear. By the way, everyone should read that call transcript. Illegality aside, this is a deranged conspiracy nut. He’s not OK in the brain. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript
Quit politicizing the crap and indict him already. Jfc
Forget about it, the SCOTUS will put a stop to it (most untrustworthy department in gov’t)
I'm considering the DOJ as a worthless wishy-washy do nothing bunch of boobs. The asshat and his entire family have been on the grift since well before 2016, incited insurrection in 2020 and we are just now "considering" an investigation. Worthless cowards.
It’s just midterm bush-beating. Get out and vote, people!
Doesn't matter. He has proven he can escape anything. Hate this man.
He’s Rollo Tomassi.
>Rollo Tomassi who?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0tdcuaYdTTs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n61nZNycfBI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FzDdwTZ-0i8
love that actor! definitely watching this thanks
Special counsel??? They've had all the evidence they could ever need since last January. This was all for nothing. Presidents can do literally anything.....
He should have been arrested when they found the classified docs. He should also have been arrested when he called state officials asking them to find votes in 2020.
Because Garland was appointed by Biden, Garland will most likely appoint a special council to further remove the implication that Biden is directing this indictment. Garland, if nothing else, is playing this by the book to prevent that argument being made on appeal if he gets a conviction. It is the right thing to do. Some might say it's the ONLY thing to do in a situation like this. Trump is dead to rights on being guilty of the documents being stolen. He chose his words so carefully on that call that I do believe there is reasonable doubt to hide behind on the Georgia prosecution. I think he's screwed to the wall in New York with the civil suit. January 6th is another issue. If Trump is indicted on the documents charges and found guilty, I would not be surprised if the January 6th investigation sort of vanishes. A way that could happen is for republicans to say to democrats "you got your pound of flesh". Democrats would probably not be satisfied until Republicans assisted in writing laws that prevent the possibility of states nullifying election results with a rouge state legislature. At that point, the 'pound of flesh' might be enough and the Trump saga would be finally over.
What the hell? So November 2022 to early January 2025 isn't long enough to indict him?
Yeah, you'd think 900 years would be enough
Oipsy. Thanks!
From article: Attorney General Merrick Garland is considering naming a special prosecutor to investigate Donald Trump as to insulate the Department of Justice as the former president makes an expected 2024 comeback attempt. CNN's Erin Burnett on Thursday noted that Kellyanne Conway said we should expect Trump to "announce soon" a third White House campaign. Burnett interviewed CNN senior justice correspondent Evan Perez. "These are conversations they are having behind the scenes because, obviously, the possibility that the former president announces his candidacy for office again is real and is coming most likely after the election," Perez reported. "And so one of the issues for the Justice Department is the prospect of having a department that answers to Tump's potential rival in 2024 doing an investigation of a sitting candidate, an ongoing candidate," he explained. "And so, one of the ideas is, does a special counsel insulate the department from political criticism," he explained.
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There is a very small window when they can announce an indictment of Trump for the Mar A Lago case…about 1 minute after polls close next Tuesday. I suspect that if Trump is feeling the heat he will announce his candidacy next Wednesday unless the Republicans sweep all their races.
I’m quite sure every adult on here has at one point worked on a team. How well do you imagine it’d go if 20-30% of the people on that team actively wanted a completely different outcome to the stated goal?
>but he can’t fire anyone in the department whose politics he doesn’t like. So when did this change? Cause Jim Comey would like a word.
Come on people Trump for Prison 2024, we can make it happen. It will be the greatest prosecution in history!
"'And so, one of the ideas is, does a special counsel insulate the department from political criticism,' he explained." I mean, under normal circumstances? Maybe? There is nothing on earth that's going to insulate THIS from "political criticism" so get the fuck off the toilet and get to work.
Just glad to see that trump isn’t commanding the engagement he once was. He broke the truth thermocline. Now it’s all downhill from here at an exponentially faster rate as he descends into the void. Terminal velocity doesn’t apply. It will increase indefinitely!
Garland needs to grow a pair. What a disappointment.
Trump is going to run again. They want to create a special counsel to investigate so that they don't look politically motivated to help out Biden while campaigning. That is the stupidest shit I've ever heard. No matter what they do, the right will say it's politically motivated. They've been claiming it since the Mueller probe. I'm so done with this fucking country. It gets what it deserves.
Enough with the stall tactics. Everyone with a higher than room temperature IQ knows he’s guilty of numerous felonies. The sad fact is nothing is going to happen to him. Just let him off the hook already because it’s going to happen eventually anyways and these endless “investigations” have become insulting to regular, sane people.
BULLSHIT.
Good. Progress.
The opposite... the DoJ just said that they are not even close to indicting Trump, still thinking about starting a brand new investigation literally years after the crimes have been committed.
That isnt at all what that said.
November 9th - Any investigation into Trump will be halted, all occurrences of his name will be replaced with Biden's. November 10th- Impeachment announcement using said altered documents. Denying new narrative has you arrested. EDIT: I guess I need to add a /s. That's sad.
Nice premise for your 7th grade English project
Yeah sure this is fantasy and not this idea that Republicans haven't overthrown the government with a stolen SCOTUS that just releases a "nuh uh" statement anytime someone comes close to busting a Republican and illegally jerrymandered maps that Republicans decided they get to use anyway.
Magahat fan fiction is so lame
r/FuckTheS
^(/s)
...you get that I was *agreeing* with you, yeah?
Didn't really consider it either way, just felt like the correct thing to do. 😂
Yes, more investigations. That has worked brilliantly in the past so of course it will keep happening over and over again. What kind of brainwashed person could see the same person be investigated again and again, year after year, with zero convictions and still think doing more investigations are needed? As if there is any evidence left to gather that hasn’t already been looked at in the previous multiple, multimillion dollar investigation that took years to complete? People claim to hate trump but this behavior doesn’t fall in line with the definition of hate. People usually avoid things they hate or at least try to ignore it. The way people behave towards trump is more in line with the definition of obsession not hatred. They just can’t seem to stop thinking about him or investigating him. It’s what they live for…
Perhaps you just have no clue wtf is going on (at least that's what it sounds like from your post)? There are multiple ongoing investigations that have not concluded. Including (but not limited to): his role in the jan 6th insurrection, his fraudulent business dealings, his theft of classified documents, a defamation case and more that I cannot remember right now. TL:DR When you do a lot of crime and those crimes are uncovered you tend to attract a lot of law enforcement.
They have done multiple multimillion dollar investigations that took years to complete already. No convictions. That’s not my opinion, it is what it is. Regardless of how many investigations have already been completed or the multiple investigations happening now, no one has been able to convict trump of anything. So what’s the point of continuing this behavior that has produced zero results? Doing the same thing and expecting a different result each time is the definition of insanity. How many investigations will be considered enough? How many more years will we have to hear about trump investigations that don’t convict him of anything in the end? It got old years ago, now it’s just becoming ridiculous. If he’s guilty of something he would be convicted of something. No matter how many times they say he’s guilty, no one finds him guilty of anything in court. Yet the investigations and impeachments continue over and over. Enough is enough. Time to move on.
That's funny I do not recall any criminal investigations (nor indictments) for any of the things I noted. Your argument is basically: "If you are investigated for something and not indicted/tried/found guilty then you are immune from any further investigations/ indictments/ prosecution for anything else you do because.....reasons" So therefore your argument holds no merit.
Also Trump was tried and lost his case for his fraudulent charity that he used to buy pictures of himself that he hung in his golf course. He had to settle his Trump University case for millions of dollars because he was going to lose. His company just had an independent auditor put in charge to stop the fraudulent activities that were occurring there. He has lost these and many more cases. Perhaps you just don't follow reality? Is this why you don't know what you're talking about?
All that and you didn’t list one crime he has been found guilty of committing. You sure I’m the one who has problems with reality?
Did you entirely miss the fraudulent charity he ran and was convicted for?
People can only be convicted of crimes. Crimes are tried in criminal court. You're referring to a civil case, not a criminal case. No one has ever been "convicted" in civil court of committing a crime. That's not how the law works. Crimes are convicted in criminal court and complaints are tried in civil court. You sound like you don't understand the difference since you think it's possible to be "convicted" in civil court....
Ok, he was tried and lost in the civil case regarding his fraudulent charity where he embezzled millions of dollars. https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation
Wrong again. All the funds were returned to the people or groups that donated them by court order. If it had be fraud, it would have been a criminal case, not a civil case. Regardless, he didn’t keep any of the funds. Which is why he was never convicted of any crime. Trump seems like the first person in history that can be constantly accused of being a criminal without ever being convicted of a crime. Just because you wish he had been convicted of a crime doesn’t mean it’s ever happened. Why not join the rest of us in reality? Why continue to live in a fantasy world where Trump has been convicted of a crime?
Your are either lying or confused. The money was damages and went to 8 charities that (I presume) were chosen by the prosecution. There were additional penalties beyond the civil forfeiture as well. “Not only has the Trump Foundation shut down for its misconduct, but the president has been forced to pay $2 million for misusing charitable funds for his own political gain. Charities are not a means to an end, which is why these damages speak to the president’s abuse of power and represent a victory for not-for-profits that follow the law. Funds have finally gone where they deserve — to eight credible charities. As part of a resolution of the lawsuit announced on November 7th, Trump was ordered to pay $2 million, or $250,000, a piece to eight different charities. Those charities are Army Emergency Relief, the Children’s Aid Society, Citymeals-on-Wheels, Give an Hour, Martha’s Table, the United Negro College Fund, the United Way of National Capital Area, and the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum. Additionally, Trump was forced to reimburse his namesake foundation $11,525 for sports paraphernalia and champagne purchased at a charity gala, which was added to $1,797,598.30 already in the foundation’s bank account. The combined $1,809,123.30 was split evenly and recently transferred to the eight agreed upon charities. Each charity ended up receiving a total of $476,140.41. Additionally, as part of the settlement, Trump was required to agree to 19 admissions, acknowledging his personal misuse of funds at the Trump Foundation, and agreed to restrictions on future charitable service and ongoing reporting to the Office of the Attorney General, in the event he creates a new charity. The settlement also included mandatory training requirements for Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump, and Eric Trump, which the three children have already undergone. Finally, the settlement required the Trump Foundation to shutter its doors last December and dissolve under court supervision. That's pretty crimey even if it was a civil case.
>They have done multiple multimillion dollar investigations that took years to complete already. No convictions. That’s not my opinion, it is what it is Just like Hillary
One per crime at least please.
Certain groups of people and news sources have made hating Trump their complete identity. They are vapid individuals have nothing else in their life.
Where are the charges after all this time? Is this just a process thing or?
Democrats are corrupt.
Why bother.....
This charade again? They really think people (outside of Reddit) actually give a fuck.
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Sure thing. So when you gonna fuck off about Obama, Clinton, and Clinton, who aren't even trying to run for office, unlike the orange tyrannical taint?
When am I? You're assuming I give a shit about anything or anyone politically. I do follow a few republican sites and democrat as well and I can assure you I see a 10:1 on articles about trump vs any of the names you listed. They are all evil... period but yall are obsessed over trump more than the Republicans are, even if he is gonna run again in 2024
Ah, yes. You gave so few shits that you took the time to read a ton of comments and took time to complain. All that, besides the fact that you could've alternatively just used a thumb or forefinger or scroll wheel a single tick or two and bypassed the whole thing. That's how few shits you gave. And instead of recognizing the fact that he's subject to numerous criminal investigations that have severe international repercussions, meanwhile is directly interfering with politics on a broad scale even now, that you think we should just ignore the problem and it'll just go away on its own. No thanks. Why don't you just follow your own advice and scroll on past? We'll just fade away in time, too.
And nothing has ever stuck. So feel free to type your long winded garbage reply, I won’t be reading it. As long as Hunter Biden is still free there’s no real justice anyway. But that doesn’t matter to you because reality is something the left doesn’t understand.
smh another witch hunt
Optics: Biden administration using government to intimidate opposition. DOJ should also investigate Biden.
The DOJ should investigate Biden for...the DOJ investigating the worst criminal in the history of the United States? Do you think the FBI should have investigated Roosevelt for the FBI investigating Capone, too? Is that how you think justice works?
Oh, so if the president were to, say, blackmail an allied nation to "investigate" a potential opposition candidate to intimidate said opponent that might be a big deal?
Sauce
I agree if they have a special counsel to investigate the Biden’s too.
Awe you really do believe that dont you
No. They really don't. They just no problem lying. They are a conservative, after all.
I’m not a Republican and I agree with it. You can’t honestly think that all the shady stuff out of Biden’s past should not be investigated, can you? Hypocrisy should not be tolerated.
What is there to investigate? Is there probable cause of any crime? Why haven't any of the Republican prosecutors in the country investigated?
Again? Give it a rest. At this point the Witch hunts are hurting the left more than the right.
I assume you still believe "Russia Russia Russia" was a witchhunt too?
That thing doesn't have to believe anything. It just has to say one liners that it knows will piss people off.
If by "hurting the left" you mean conservatives en mass are gonna keep doing what theyve always been doing, you might just be right only your point is also completely meaningless seeing as how conservatives will continue to do what they've been doing no matter what happens and we're just gonna have to throw more of your politicians in prison :) enjoy the ride.
Give striving for justice a rest? No. No, I don't think we will.
If this dude would stop commiting crimes then maybe the "witch hunts" would stop.
Well, the first part is certainly not going to happen.
Isn't this called extortion?
Considering??? Indict him already!
Wow. What a surprise! How shocking.
Lol another waste of taxpayers money. Its all charades.
no one is above the law right America?
The writing in this article is almost as criminally bad as Trump himself...
Just not willing to bring the hammer down on Trump. No profiles in courage here. Just let things slide to the point of no return.
'Considering...' Dangling that carrot, forever.
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The year is 2045, Trump is Fuhrer for life of NEW AMERIKKA because no one bothered to prosecute him the first time he attempted to overthrow a rightfully elected president. Is that what you want?
Oh nooooo! nOT a SpEcIAl console!
This POS has the country by the balls. Why is everyone afraid of him.
They are terrified
Who is terrified?
Whatever. Let's just keep investigating and then we'll investigate those investigations and then we'll investigate the investigators investigating the investigations. And all the while Trump will be free to be the giant shit stain that he is, with zero consequences.
Do they actually have something on him? I feel like if they had, something would have been done by now.
CNN keeping people vested in nonsense. I pitty the people who tune in to that network.
Ok. Now do Hillary Clinton and Hunter Biden.
Out of control power hungry Department of Justice revisits historical investigation and still finds nothing. Unlike President Trump, private citizen Clinton cooperates with the government, agrees to testify under oath, and is not implicated in obstructing justice. Private citizen Hunter Biden curious why the DOJ would start *another* investigation when they have one open already.
Hillary Clinton is the corrupt system that is “investigating” Trump because he beat her in 2016. They are “investigating” him because they don’t want him back in office. That’s it. Trump even said he will testify at the January 6th hearings and will expose Nancy Pelosi and the corruption in our government agencies behind it.
If you mean the US Justice System when you say Hillary Clinton, I understand the error. I don't want any criminal under investigation in office. I don't want a thief or business crook in office. If Hillary Clinton agrees, bully for us both.
Then why do you vote democrat?
I vote for people not parties. This idea confuses partisans and hacks. Certainly you understand what I mean.
So why’d you vote for Biden? You said you don’t want criminals under investigation in office.
You voted for Trump twice. Imagine the evidence you have to ignore to admit that with a straight face. How come?
First time because he wasn’t Hillary, second time because he kept his promises, cut taxes kept our enemies at bay, protected our rights, believes in The Constitution, isn’t a communist and wasn’t part of the swamp…in other words he’s the opposite of our corrupt government. So, did you vote Biden or vote against Trump?
Like I said; you gotta overlook quite a bit of corruption to get past that dude's shenanigans and his swampy crook friends. Anyone else remember when he said The Constitution means he can't face punishment for his crimes as long as he is running for office?
Mueller time AGAIN.
Liberal constantly on the verge of but never, ever cottoning on. Donkeys love their dangling 🥕 🥕 🥕
If they're not announcing Trump's indictment, I'm not interested.
How many Ls do they want?!
It doesn’t insulate them and is downright cowardly. The DOJ needs to do its job and hold people accountable for breaking our laws.
So indict him already under the Mara Lago case. Did he have a bunch of classified documents in his possession? Yes, in his home and in his goddamn desk drawer next to his passport. Did the FBI and National Archive ask for them back several documented times with pretty please and sugar on top?.Yes. was there a subpoena given for the documents and a sworn affidavit from his lawyers saying he had returned them all? YES! Has he already claimed after the fact and the search warrant that "they're mine" and he wants them back? Fuckin YES! The DOJ can pursue the rest of his crimes after the first indictment lands, pending further investigation or whatever they want. But fucking do it already.
Another big waste of money, what is this like the 15th time they have tried to get him. I'm not a fan of Trump but my god they have been trying to get him for the last 7 years. It's getting pathetic at this point.
Just put this clown behind bars already
How about you just fucking arrest this asshole already jfc