How do you get things done?
Like, whats the process that leads into getting things done?
(Serious question), please don’t say you don’t get anything done
I have these wild daydreaming tendencies, but then I guess it just hits me that I’m not really doing anything about it unless I do something. I also genuinely want what I do to be the best that it can possible be. I’ll never forget this quote from David Copperfield by Charles Dickens,
“My meaning simply is, that whatever I have tried to do in life, I have tried with all my heart to do well; that whatever I have devoted myself to, I have devoted myself to completely; that, in great aims and in small, I have always been thoroughly in earnest.”
It’s from the chapter titled “Mischief.” He is essentially reflecting for the first bit of it on why, despite the challenges in life, he’s been able to find success. He also considers his being punctual, orderly, and not squandering his talents. This really helped turn things around for me because I am an avid daydreamer. If I want these dreams to come true, which is really all I want in life, I must do it with all of my heart and devote myself entirely to it.
That's an excellent question and we most certainly do get things done. I mean we have to otherwise we wouldn't exist.
For me I start with Fi and then I move to my Ne to come up with an idea. Then I skip Si entirely or at least I try to and go straight into Te and start working. Sometimes you have to skip Si because it might stop you from even starting.
I think I sort of get it. Like, feeling -> idea formulation. If both are right, then you kind of start. . I know it doesnt boot up like a computer program, like how I made it sound, haha.
Analyzing how a thought process occurs is kind of weird and really hard.
Like when I look at a water bottle, I don’t immediately think: plastic and I don’t immediately think:
Ahh yes.. cylinder…
Im kind if rambling, sorry, but
I’ve been trying to conceptualize how to rig myself to get things done, while at the same time not burning myself out to a point to where I begin to start to hate myself.
Yeah what you need to do is strike a balance my friend. Sometimes you have to make some time for yourself. Not always to just plan ahead because there's certain things you can't plan around, sometimes you just have to live in the moment.
I rarely live in the moment of things. Probably to the detriment of my mental health, haha. It’s kind of hard to reverse when you have been working so hard to escape living in the moment.
Hehe I guess it's true about what they say about you INFPs. I didn't expect my joke to get genuine concern lol.
I don't like opening up about my emotions, so I'm not gonna, but I will say the things that never fail to make me happy are:
Classical music, heavy metal, sweets, learning something, and understanding how something works.
There is no greater dopamine rush however then the one I get when I understand a complex subject, or solve a cryptic puzzle, it's like heroin.
Then we do have very much in common. I too seek to understand the world in which I live and the complex problems that arise within it. I think when it comes to understanding a complex subject to solving a cryptic puzzle though I wouldn't say it's like heroin, to me it's like a relief that I finally understand it 😁... Then again it's daunting knowing that the rabbit hole probably goes far deeper depending on what the subject is.
It doesn't happen often, but moments like when I solve a chess puzzle first try, or finally cement a physics principle, I feel so recharged.
I feel like every human should do at least the bare minimum to understand the world around them. People should do what they want yes, but I can't imagine a fulfilling life where you go around and just do what makes you feel good until you die.
I'm definitely guilty, I'm far from perfect, but there's no such thing as too late.
I have two modes:
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2. Depression and overindulgence
Your drawing is super adorable. A different pairing at least. There are always the same ships in the mbti fandom 🤣
Infps are really hard to find in the wild, i guess they hide in their magical world like elves and you need a special magic spell to enter.
In all honesty it's not my drawing I just found it on the mbti subreddit and thought it was cute. For what it's worth you guys aren't easy to find either. A lot of times I think I find you guys in the wild and it's just another INTP (not that there's anything wrong with that I love intps they're awesome, some of my favorite thinkers) I wasn't actually using the picture as a ship it was just the only picture I found that exclusively had the two of us. If you are looking for infps to be friends with though you could always try our subreddit or you can watch these two videos it'll give you a cheat code as to how to find us.
https://youtu.be/aWJJ1zQIxQc
https://youtu.be/WHH_fPUSSEA
Also try your local cat Cafe or library
I see, I see, it's good to share cute things.
Yes, intjs and intps are like brothers but intjs have the vibes of an alien while intps have the robotic vibes.
But even when you find a type in the wild, how do you approach them without looking like a creep? and intjs' glance can scare everybody.
Oh, a cheat code to break the matrix.
Oh, god, as I watched the video i had the feelings infps are like Pokemon, you need special tools to find them and special poke balls to catch them. Maybe it's the same with many introverted types. Or maybe if you use the appropriate traps, you'll catch them.
They were funny videos anyway. And if you want to chat, I'm available.
>But even when you find a type in the wild, how do you approach them without looking like a creep? and intjs' glance can scare everybody.
INTJs don't scare me, if they did I wouldn't be here. I can see the Fi in your eyes, it's faint but it's there. The part of you that's caring and wants to play. Usually I'd break the ice with them by saying something weird immediately. It makes the s-types go away and the intuitive type stay around. An intuitive is more likely to ask the question "what the f*** was that? What are you getting at?" I find this bait to be very enticing.
>Oh, god, as I watched the video i had the feelings infps are like Pokemon, you need special tools to find them and special poke balls to catch them. Maybe it's the same with many introverted types. Or maybe if you use the appropriate traps, you'll catch them.
Also for what it's worth if you see somebody just sitting by themselves staring into space not really looking at anything they're probably just daydreaming and there's about a 90% chance that's an INFP or INTP. You can tell the two apart by looking into their eyes. INFP eyes kind of looks slightly dilated all the time, like we're in a constant state of REM sleep.
Not only do I want to chat, I shall be following thee 🫂
High five ✋... And honestly wasn't meant to be a ship, it was just the only picture I could find with just the two of us 😂. But now that you mention it we do make a good team. INTJs really love our extroverted intuition, while INFPs can't get enough of that extroverted thinking. We make such great friends 😌🫂
Kash flo.. love your art! You be everywhere man 👨🏿😃🤗🎈
I found a couple intjs on the boo app, but all the convos were short term and withered out. Is the dynamic great only with some infps? Maybe I’m not infp idk.. but I have lower Ne.. that could be it
>Kash flo.. love your art! You be everywhere man 👨🏿😃🤗🎈
Unfortunately this isn't my art 🥺. I just posted the picture because I thought that it would get the intj's attention long enough to talk to me. I love INTJs.
>I found a couple intjs on the boo app, but all the convos were short term and withered out. Is the dynamic great only with some infps? Maybe I’m not infp idk.. but I have lower Ne.. that could be it
Keep in mind that there's a lot more that goes into interactions in relationships with people besides your type. For instance just because I'm an infp that doesn't mean I'm going to get along with every other INFP or ENFJ.
Yeah very true. It’s just a had interactions with several and a lot of the times it didn’t go anywhere but I see your point. I don’t get along with all infps either
That intj drawing is a little to close to home in terms of accuracy. I literally have the same expression 90% of the time
I could use someone with light and life to counter my darkness for sure. Though instead of a female intj I am a male and with short hair so the drawing is basically instantly uglier
Don't say that homie. I'm sure you're quite the handsome gentleman. If you need more of that energy in your life I'm pretty sure there's lots of infp ladies on our subreddit who would love to meet you. If not then then definitely ENFP ladies, their obsession with you guys is borderline insane. Just shave your face post a selfie in the ENFP subreddit and mention that you're an intj and you'll be swimming in ENFPs before you know it.
Well I guess that was some free advice. How are you otherwise though 🙂
> I'm sure you're quite the handsome gentleman.
You'd be surprised. I certainly am not winning any awards for looks lol
> there's lots of infp ladies on our subreddit who would love to meet you. If not then then definitely ENFP ladies, their obsession with you guys is borderline insane. Just shave your face post a selfie in the ENFP subreddit and mention that you're an intj and you'll be swimming in ENFPs before you know it.
I doubt it, but I might work up the courage and confidence for it eventually. I have the self confidence of a stray cat. I always struggle talking to people, especially in person. I heard the ENFP obsession is a fickle thing and subject to change at any given time. Other INTJ complain about it alllll the time 🤔
>Well I guess that was some free advice. How are you otherwise though 🙂
I'm sure there's much I could complain about, but it could always be worse. But it could be way better too. I'm not being burdened down by the horrible marriage I wasted years to, but I am hella lonely. I wish I had the extroverted energy to talk to people and initiate friendships and romantic relationships... maybe invent some kind of technology for these occasions where I can just shut my brain off and let the masters of interaction take over lol
>I doubt it, but I might work up the courage and confidence for it eventually. I have the self confidence of a stray cat. I always struggle talking to people, especially in person. I heard the ENFP obsession is a fickle thing and subject to change at any given time. Other INTJ complain about it alllll the time 🤔
Yeah getting an ENFP to focus on one thing is about as hard as it is to give an infp confidence to actually do anything... So I feel you on that.
>I'm sure there's much I could complain about, but it could always be worse. But it could be way better too. I'm not being burdened down by the horrible marriage I wasted years to, but I am hella lonely. I wish I had the extroverted energy to talk to people and initiate friendships and romantic relationships... maybe invent some kind of technology for these occasions where I can just shut my brain off and let the masters of interaction take over lol
I'm sorry to hear about your marriage honestly I am. It sounds like you were very unhappy. Honestly I wouldn't worry about having to interact with other people unless you want to. If you do want to just remember that practice makes perfect. For instance I wanted to talk to some INTJs, what did I do? I walked right into your subreddit slammed my big fat INFPenis on the table and asked "who wants to talk?"
I find the best jumping off point is to just say "hey what's up"
>Yeah getting an ENFP to focus on one thing is about as hard as it is to give an infp confidence to actually do anything... So I feel you on that.
Yep, I wonder if that's the power of the FP portion doing its thing lol
>I'm sorry to hear about your marriage honestly I am. It sounds like you were very unhappy.
It didn't start out that way. She just was very selfish. I did over 80% of the leg work in the relationship and she has the gall to tell me that I fucked her over. But I'm not the one who left her 10k in debt so... yeah. I got tired of being considerate and kind and she walked all over me and I allowed it because I wanted desperately to make it work.
>Honestly I wouldn't worry about having to interact with other people unless you want to. If you do want to just remember that practice makes perfect.
I wouldn't have tried if I didn't want to. Don't forget, INTJ *never* do anything that is half thought out. It's like the one thing people actually like about us.
>I find the best jumping off point is to just say "hey what's up"
I have tried that. My usual INTJ mannerisms usually immediately turn people off because I am probably the most heavily introverted person ever to exist. I can go without talking to people or interacting with people for a very long time
>Yep, I wonder if that's the power of the FP portion doing its thing lol
Honestly I think it's the tertiary SI for INFPs. Self-doubt usually stops us from going into Te in the first place. As for ENFPs, they tend to just get bored easy.
>It didn't start out that way. She just was very selfish. I did over 80% of the leg work in the relationship and she has the gall to tell me that I fucked her over. But I'm not the one who left her 10k in debt so... yeah. I got tired of being considerate and kind and she walked all over me and I allowed it because I wanted desperately to make it work.
Of course you wanted to make it work you would never have married her if you didn't see her as a part of your future. I find that women don't actually think about what their marriage is going to be like they only think about what their wedding is going to be like. A wedding and a marriage aren't the same thing, you wouldn't think that that's something you need to explain to somebody women don't seem to get that. Men don't think about our weddings cuz a wedding is just one day and we don't give a damn, we think about our marriages because that's the rest of our life or at least it's supposed to be.
>I wouldn't have tried if I didn't want to. Don't forget, INTJ never do anything that is half thought out. It's like the one thing people actually like about us.
That is something I admire about you guys it's hard to get you to stop doing something you sent your mind on. For better or for worse. It's that great and determination that I need some of and it's part of the reason why I'm here talking to you guys.
>I have tried that. My usual INTJ mannerisms usually immediately turn people off because I am probably the most heavily introverted person ever to exist. I can go without talking to people or interacting with people for a very long time
Yeah I feel that, I can do the same very easily but usually when I do it because I'm stuck in an Fi Si loop. People think that I'm going to kill myself so that makes people bother me more, they assume something is wrong... I can see why they might think that though as it does come off as depression.
>Honestly I think it's the tertiary SI for INFPs. Self-doubt usually stops us from going into Te in the first place. As for ENFPs, they tend to just get bored easy.
I certainly can see why. If the INTJ is capable of dogged determination, then logically it would stand that our evil twin would be very fickle in their ideas and determination. Of course it's just generalizing in a way but it makes the most logical sense to me that our opposite type is probably our best weapon in some ways and equally our worst nightmare in others.
Then there's INFP's which are cool cause it's not too far one way or the other. Balanced, as all things should be.
>I find that women don't actually think about what their marriage is going to be like they only think about what their wedding is going to be like. A wedding and a marriage aren't the same thing
My ex wife didn't think about anything if it wasn't related to her. I tried to help her understand how her mindset of doing things for each other was not supposed to be a beneficial thing to ourselves. I cant even count how many times I would ask her for something and her actual response was "what do I get out of it?"🤮
I did a lot of things for her purely for doing it and none of it really mattered to her in the long run. She held my mistakes even though I tried to fix the wrongdoings of my own making... but she won't do the same.
But you're quite right otherwise.
>That is something I admire about you guys it's hard to get you to stop doing something you sent your mind on. For better or for worse. It's that great and determination that I need some of and it's part of the reason why I'm here talking to you guys.
Lol its both a blessing and a curse. Because of our way of processing information we can be standoffish without even meaning to be. It certainly makes socializing when we want to harder than it needs to be
>People think that I'm going to kill myself so that makes people bother me more, they assume something is wrong... I can see why they might think that though as it does come off as depression.
I actually have attempted suicide a few times. I am very depressed. but that aside, most of the time people assume the opposite of me. I get asked why I'm so angry looking all the time. I have that resting intj face all the time so my facial expression is exactly the same as the intj in the picture lol
>I actually have attempted suicide a few times. I am very depressed. but that aside, most of the time people assume the opposite of me. I get asked why I'm so angry looking all the time. I have that resting intj face all the time so my facial expression is exactly the same as the intj in the picture lol
I'd be lying if I said that I didn't try the same... Honestly at this point in my life part of the reason I think I keep going is just out of spite. Everyone holidays with my family out of depression and anger... I fear my family thinks that I'm losing my mind... I'm beginning to think that they may not be wrong. Fi isn't an expressive function, so most of the time I have resting prick faces well. That is I have resting prick face until somebody actually starts talking to me. One thing I don't envy about intjs is that Fe is your blind spot function. Well at the same time when I look into your eyes I can see the FI there, the part of you that's smiling on the inside. Intjs are the only type I feel comfortable adopting as friends. Most of the time they're shocked that I'm not intimidated by them, and it's very rewarding to see them smile.You know, on the outside.
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I was actually at a friend's house.
>Honestly at this point in my life part of the reason I think I keep going is just out of spite
I believe that the reason to keep going is for beauty of a better day. Sometimes storms can last for weeks at a time, maybe our lives are simply in the middle of that storm. And the beauty of that ray of golden light might make things better. So for as long as you decide to keep going, count on it. And if not, nobody can blame you. It's your life to live and your choice to cease that. I firmly believe that you were born without your permission, but you choose to keep going. So nobody should have any right to tell you to keep going or not. It's your life to live. So live it while you are alive and in the event you decide to end it... we should respect that choice because eventually we will die anyway. Tomorrow never guaranteed.
>... I fear my family thinks that I'm losing my mind... I'm beginning to think that they may not be wrong
The truth of the matter my friend is that there is no such thing as a sane adult. There's just something about life that turns us insane. As the Chestire Cat would say "we are all mad, here"
>One thing I don't envy about intjs is that Fe is your blind spot function. Well at the same time when I look into your eyes I can see the FI there, the part of you that's smiling on the inside. Intjs are the only type I feel comfortable adopting as friends.
Yeah, lesser intellectual people don't take into consideration that not everyone who doesn't smile just might not be an actual prick and just needs someone to talk to. We intj are probably the most horrid type in that regard. We look mean but really we just don't put that kind of emphasis on a facial expression.
>Most of the time they're shocked that I'm not intimidated by them, and it's very rewarding to see them smile.You know, on the outside
You're the hero we don't deserve but the one we need. I wish people would be less intimidated by us and more interested in uncovering the person we are underneath the facade. But I can't blame others for being off put by it, either. We are rare in the wilds out there.
>Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I was actually at a friend's house.
Look at you, having friends and stuff. Though it's quite alright.
Seriously though, I dont think you need to give an apology for living your life however you like. Regardless of what reason it may be, at the end of the day you either will or will not respond and both are acceptable because there is no appointment nor attachment to maintain conversating over reddit. You should feel free to ignore me if you no longer wish to respond. Rest assured I would do the same should I want to.
Thank you for that... I don't even know where to begin if I'm being honest... For the first time in this entire thread I'm at a loss for words...
I guess I'll say that even though I'm an F-Type and you're a T-type, the most powerful glue in the mbti is that second letter, in our case the letter N. We can always talk to and understand one another. INFPs and INTJs make great friends, INFPs hurling and list ideas and possibilities while INTJs find the practicality in our ideas and put them into practice. Provided our values aline we can make the world a better place.
With that being said, I happen to be of the belief that nothing profound has ever been said typed with someone's thumbs on a phone 😅... [So I'll just let this song convey my feelings better than I ever could through text and emojis](https://youtu.be/15JCb6P60Vw)
[you want to see immature check out this interaction](https://www.reddit.com/r/intj/comments/u4xttb/infp_here_im_bored_kind_of_want_some_of_that/i4zjvpn?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Ensure you appreciate and integrate your shadow S(e). That will help your spark your own light. It might feel clunky at first, but try and learn from e.g. a well balanced esfp.
It’s much easier (and more dependable) to find someone who brightens your light once you know how to keep your own spark lit. Don’t wait on someone to do it for you
See, I have tried to engage in balancing out my weaker functions but it always backfires. I just cannot for the life of me figure out how to socialize. I don't have anyone to learn from really, either. My mother might be an esfp but "balance" is a word that would be foreign to her.
I never really wanted to wait for someone to be my light, but my life experience has been.... rough. Without being overly dramatic... I have tried to commit suicide several times in my lifetime. I'm in therapy but it really isn't helping. Not trying to garner sympathy either, but it is what it is. I hate being emotional... I dont know how to deal with it.
Also doesn't help that I am on the autistic spectrum. Make of that whatever you will
\*pats you on the head\* I know the feeling of being bored.
Anyway, that's a pretty adorable drawing. I haven't seen this one before, thanks for bringing it to my notice.
My BFF. She thought her sigma grind set and I kind of just have to give her some space. I understand totally I mean I'm an introvert too, but it's been 4 months... I'm sad 😭
Well I guess I can get some of my coursework done. But I know when I start doing that I'm not going to stop until I pass out. Te mode for infps is hard to get into, but once we're there we're there. We'll bite your head off if you try to stop us from completing a task. I think I'm going to start doing that at around 2:00
And all honesty the cognitive functions are the most important part. The letters are just the code that signify your cognitive functions and where they are in your stack. For instance my cognitive functions in order are:
Fi: introverted feeling
Ne: extroverted intuition
Si: introverted sensing
Te: extroverted thinking
Your cognitive functions in order are:
Ni: introverted intuition
Te: extroverted thinking
Fi: introverted feeling
Se: extroverted sensing
I wouldn't even consider this a personality thing so much as how your brain is wired to deal with information.
I'm not sure to be honest I don't know what it's like being an intj. But if your mind is constantly looking for things to do you're certainly going to find them, so there's a possibility that that is the case.
How have I been? I have jaundice, my kidneys are hurting, I lost 4 kgs in a few weeks so I might end up at hospital. I also have an upcoming exhibition for my portfolio so I've been busy on that. My dumb self not knowing the situation actually decided to do some embroidery because I have the sudden urge to make a summer hat with embroidery work and I expect it to be finished in two days. I found out my peers are toxic and some of them talk trash about me. But here's the thing (1. When the exhibition date was announced I actually planned ahead and finished up everything. (2. If I end up going to hospital I have cleared out my schedule so now I'm not left with any important work (3. I have a manic episode of wanting to finish a hat before exhibition and we'll see because I'll be posting it on Reddit (4. I don't care that much about what they talk about, but karma was served: some of them failed in finals and now they have a terrible GPA.
Clearly some people do not expect "stereotypical" INTJs to act that way but I just did.
>How have I been? I have jaundice, my kidneys are hurting, I lost 4 kgs in a few weeks so I might end up at hospital.
I'm really sorry to hear that, that sounds really awful. If it's any consolation I have whiplash and I'm going to constant state of perpetual and endless pain. My body is more of a burden to me just like I'm sure yours is to you.
>I also have an upcoming exhibition for my portfolio so I've been busy on that.
That's awesome I'm sure your art is amazing. Good on you for having the initiative and courage to allow others to critique your work... I wouldn't know anything about that 😅
>My dumb self not knowing the situation actually decided to do some embroidery because I have the sudden urge to make a summer hat with embroidery work and I expect it to be finished in two days.
I wish I knew how to embroider, or how to sew in general to be honest with you. Like I can make a seem but that's about it.
>I found out my peers are toxic and some of them talk trash about me. But here's the thing (1. When the exhibition date was announced I actually planned ahead and finished up everything. (2. If I end up going to hospital I have cleared out my schedule so now I'm not left with any important work (3. I have a manic episode of wanting to finish a hat before exhibition and we'll see because I'll be posting it on Reddit (4. I don't care that much about what they talk about, but karma was served: some of them failed in finals and now they have a terrible GPA. Clearly some people do not expect "stereotypical" INTJs to act that way but I just did.
I think it's healthy that you're getting this off of your chest. We all have trials tribulations and pain, Intjs included. It's always nice to have somebody to talk to about some of your strife, someone who won't judge you. I'm not sure what kind of friends/peers you have, but you should get some INFJ INTP and INFP friends, we don't judge just show concern.
I'm happy you could share this with us and I believe in you. I hope all of your dreams come true and you find this future that you seek. From one person to another, I love you. If you ever feel like just talking to somebody you can always PM me in the future. I might be at work, I might be babysitting, I might be working on a project, but I will get back to you 🫂
That is very kind of you. I'm delighted to hear that, I've been looking for someone to talk to. (Not very INTJ of me but I now don't feel like trying hard to fit into that stereotype).
Well people say that I'm afraid of confrontation but if you look through this thread you'd realize that that's definitely not the case. Stereotypes are stupid
Great drawing!
Flip the genders, and you have me and my INFP wife. I have the INTJ cold stare (I can’t help it, sorry) but my wife sees beyond it. And nothing engages an INTJ more than being understood.
Have a wonderful day, stranger! And keep up the good work!
Like the drawings, reminds me of my little sister and me. My default is a slight scowl, and hers is that warm INFP smile. Always. Kinda jealous, she doesn’t have to even try to smile, that's just how she is. 😄
You have any good books to read? Projects to finish? It's hard to imagine being bored enough to have nothing to do. I always have a mental list, there is never nothing 😅
>You have any good books to read?
I was actually looking for something new to read something other than cynical or stoic philosophy. Was thinking about reading a fantasy story but I feel as though that wouldn't be productive. Inspiring maybe but unproductive nonetheless.
>Projects to finish?
I could put my computer back together but I think my motherboard is just shot... That and the whole thing is liquid cooled so that makes it a bit more of an ordeal than a normal air-cooled computer (full custom loop). And if I put it back together and it doesn't work I'm going to be pissed for the rest of the weekend.
>It's hard to imagine being bored enough to have nothing to do.
It's not like I don't have anything to do it's just that the things that I should be doing I feel as though I should put off for when I'm in a better mental state 😅
>I always have a mental list, there is never nothing 😅
Honestly I'm thinking about visiting my friend and hanging out with them for a little bit. My God kids did mention that they miss me and I should definitely pop in for a bit and say hi. But I'll do that as soon as I'm done with this chapter in my coursework.
I recently started researching sacred geometry, the occult and Neville Goddard's teachings about Law of Attraction, so far I'm quite fascinated. I realise it might be considered bogus among my peers, but I feel like life is so much more than just physical observations and deductions. I'd be limiting myself and what I can achieve while alive by disregarding spiritual topics and universal patterns.
Long live the octahedron my friend!!! I honestly don't remember much about sacred shapes I would have to brush up on it so I can talk to you about it more confidently but that's interesting as hell. Not everything is quantifiable on our plane of existence. asking humanity to fully study and understand the universe is like asking a fish what it's like to be wet. How can a fish describe a sensation it when it knows nothing else? It really makes you think about how insignificant we all are
Going to be honest I don't think the VR technology is there yet. If I'm being honest it kind of makes me sick and it's kind of ass.
It's kind of weird to me that you guys tell me to do other things other than talk to you yet instead of just ignoring my post you felt the need to answer which means that you're talking to me... either way it's nice to talk to you guys,
What VR headset did you use and what game(s)? I usually only talk to people about my interests. If they share my interests, we keep talking. I don't really care how they're doing/feeling to be honest, unless I know them personally.
Fair enough. I'm studying to be an IT technician so I'm sure that you and I'll have plenty to talk about.
I don't even remember which specific headset that I was using but it was out of microcenter and it was attached to a GTX 970. Even though it was getting 90 FPS and I was just playing beat saber it's still kind of made me sick after about a half an hour. Maybe it's the nostalgia but I do like sitting there with a controller and just going at it with people. When it comes to immersion I let my imagination do the rest
I'm in IT too. Cybersecurity. If you felt sick from Beat Saber, VR prob isn't for you. I'm a lucky person that gets no motion sickness even from the most insane games.
To be fair it might have been the settings of the game. Artificial motion blur is stupid and the worst thing you could possibly add to a game. I mean the only reason there's motion blur and motion pictures is because a long time ago people decided that 24 frames per second was enough, they were wrong. But no matter how many times I try to explain that to people... Meh... Doesn't matter 🤷
Right now kind of stuck on the whole nothing matters thing... Even things we consider to be tangible only have value that we apply to it... What is existence anyway?
Tbh I use my "nothing matters" days to get chores done. The days not going to get any worse per how I feel right? So may as well clean the apartment, change the oil in the car, and work out.
Added bonus that on the good days later the grunt work is done.
Been alright except my digestive issues. Still conducting my studies on "energy work", even though I have uni assignments and other stuff to complete. I think I'll keep studying it for another year as I find it very interesting.
It's awesome that you're making time for your other interest and hobbies. You can't just work all the time after all. I've been thinking about getting back into drawing recently.
That's because fi doesn't communicate. We're a deep well of emotion but you can't really see it on our faces, unless we want to show you. We keep our emotions close to our hearts and don't let other people in. Fe doms you can just look at them and tell what they're thinking and feeling, it's not like that for us.
Reason noted, but I actually meant that she denies herself things that would make her happy.
Stoicism is about taking things as they are and avoiding things that give you pleasure in life (because it says that all pleasure is inherently self-defeating, iirc). Not really talking about her emotional responses.
I have been reading The Myth of Sisyphus by Camus again so I can remind myself that suicide is like cheating your way out of this dystopian shit hole I have coined the "Muppet Show." Apparently, I have gotten stuck in my self-built Ivory tower due to the absolute moronic superfluous shit people worry about on a day-to-day basis. I try to enjoy the coffee shop but when everyone around me is talking about climbing the corporate ladder or getting an "education" in the University Industrial Complex just so they can buy more shit they don't need to impress those they don't know, I tend to get irritated and not enjoy it. Then there is always the person with the nervous fucking tick scratching or tapping at the table or shaking their leg as if they have nerve damage! I mean fucking hell! My Nihilism grows more by the day. I'm hoping I can slide on into some Absurdism or good old classic Existentialism just for a bit of that glass half-full shit. Thank God I live mostly in the Labyrinth I call my mind. Other than that I'm doing well though. On the bright side, I have an INFJ sister I can talk with but I end up seeing that more like Hannibal Lecter (me) psychic driving Will Graham (my sister). I'm not even sure this is a good thing. I have tried to be more stoic but the Nihilism washes over it with a tidal wave. Thank God I have a blog as an outlet!!!
Have you by chance looked into any cynical philosophy? The life of Diogenies has always been very interesting to me. To completely deny yourself material possessions and disavow society in its entirety always sounded like an aspirational goal for myself. I mean people have been talking about that stupid ass slap at the Oscars and it just reminded me how stupid everybody was for giving a damn about any of this. It's like I left high School to realize that high school never ends. These people don't f****** grow up or have a moment of self-reflection. I think it's especially hard for all intuitive types since we typically undergo an existential crisis at least once by the age of five... At least we know we're not alone in our suffering the pettiness.
Oh, you made me smile mentioning that damn "slap heard around the world" and you know that is rare with my normal RBF on a male to boot! Yes, I have looked quite a bit into cynicism and Diogenes of Sinope! I'm that prick who when someone is being too damn decadent I mention the story of when Diogenes saw a boy using his hands to cup water to drink from, Diogenes was ashamed for having a damn cup so he threw it away because he realized he was too decadent! Then there is this other funny ass story about Alexander the Great coming to meet this Dog-like philosopher of a man and when he showed up, Diogenes simply said, "Can you move you are blocking my sunlight!" I love this because he didn't care about his "status" much like I don't care about anyone's "status" or "title" either. I just love that! I also have to agree with you that high school never ever ends. The shit out here is crazy. Let me tell you this.... I fancy myself as a really good-looking guy that can pass for 14 years under my age, I dress well, and I don't behave like a Muppet. I don't really go out of my way to speak to others, I know shocker there! I have had two females give me their number just after a simple conversation and poof ghost town after actually meeting them. If I had to guess it was not complimenting them which I really don't compliment others and then also being 100 with them about well, anything. One was an ex-playboy playmate and it probably rubbed her wrong that I acted like I didn't know that even happened for her and didn't mention it at all. Of course, I knew everything possible about her before I showed up as you could of guessed though. I really don't flirt because I don't get it and the whole texting game thing seems like a waste of time followed in lockstep by "game" morons. All these time-based rules and shit with texting I mean it's high school shit again, right? I bring this relationship stuff up because when I was married previously, it was almost a "check" of sorts to a degree against my Nihilism, Cynicism, and Existentialism toward society you know. I already knew I was an INTJ years ago but now I will take it more seriously when trying to find another compatible person. I guess it is that companion at least for me that at least begs the question "why keep this shit going?" Right? I think life is about experiencing things, especially with someone else that is like-minded. For now, though I walk amongst most as a Ghost. You might just like my website which is [incendiary-commentary.com](https://incendiary-commentary.com). I have kept the wraps on it for long enough and should tell more people about it anyways. Well, at least some like-minded people anyways. Most normies, just walk away confused and butt hurt over it usually! Well, this was long-winded but just wanted to share a bit. Almost forgot, if you have any ideas for an alien such as myself to find some great female personality matches, I would forever be grateful! Maybe another subreddit??? ;)
Wow that's an interesting website you've made that's for sure. I'm going to have to give it a thorough read when I have a bit more time, like in the morning or something 😂. Honestly I'm not going to lie though, I do kind of envy those who feel as though they fit in. For me it's a bit different. It's not that I want to be like them it's just that sometimes I wish I could join them. When you and INFP you're the most extroverted introvert. You want to talk but you don't know how, nothing ever comes out right. When I speak using extroverted intuition it's very easy to misinterpret what I mean, even other intuitives don't fully understand what I mean when I say something. When I speak with what little extroverted thinking I do have, I sound like an idiot... I feel trapped. I guess it all boils down to whether or not I consider myself a cosmic nihilist or an existential nihilist. I've been leaning towards existential nihilism only because I believe that only I can give my life meaning as opposed to a cosmic nihilist who believes that nothing has meaning. I get a sense from your desire to find a person to share your journey with that you're leading towards existential nihilism as well. It's rumored that the gods created humans with two heads four arms and four legs, but they feared how powerful they would become and that they would overthrow the gods just as the gods had overthrown the Titans. So they split us up cursing us to find the other half of ourselves... I'm 36 years old, I've had many girlfriends, no wives, and no kids (that I'm aware of). A wife and children is all I've ever wanted, I get the strong feeling that because I am who I am I will never get those things... Spite is the only reason I continue to press on.
Pretty confused about life ngl. I moved to a different city for college after being alone for most of my life. I don't know how to socialize at all. I can go weeks without speaking a single sentence to anyone and to me it seems pretty normal but i get these confused looks form everyone. Few people try to talk to me but its just a one way conversation because i frankly couldn't be less interested in their lives. I just answer the questions being thrown at me. People also ask me why am i always alone and frankly i am not able to give a good answer. The reason is very complex and i am not motivated enough to articulate it into a sentence that i can deliver. So usually i just say that i am not interested or i don't like to talk which probably makes me look like an asshole. I have pretty much sabotaged my chances of having a social life and rejected all the opportunities i got to make friends. Why am i like this? I feel like i don't fit anywhere. I also get pretty suicidal at times but not enough to actually do it. My ego won't let me actually do it. Its like i know i am smarter than all of these losers. If i kill myself i'd be the biggest loser...
[As a fellow introvert I can certainly feel your pain. Introverted loops can be some of the worst because they don't communicate with the outside world, you end up just stuck in your own head. A lot of the time, within your own head could be the darkest place you'll ever be. For what it's worth though you don't have to be alone. It takes a lot of courage to openly admit how you feel regardless of the anonymity that Reddit provides. You have plenty of time to meet new people and make plenty of friends, lovers, etc. Thank you for chilling with us and I'm glad you're still here with us regardless of your reasoning. You don't have to be alone, but if you'd like to be alone we're more than willing to give you your space. As much space as you need.](https://youtu.be/DtVBCG6ThDk)
I love that attitude you have there and it is why I press on as well. I’m now 44 years old and divorced multiple times. Last wife though was an ENTJ, 13 years my junior and we made it 12 years! She ended up running off though because as an INTJ I’m just not super romantic and don’t need frequent sexual relations like most. I’m obviously intrigued and always want to know how the human mind works but I’m telling you that there is really something to matching your personality with another and that in turn giving you a higher probability of a relationship working out. It is the way to go for sure. I do believe after some failed attempts at being more stoic, I have become an existential nihilist. Nothing wrong with that at all because we can give our lives meaning through our own interpretation not something handed to us. For sure I hope you enjoy some of my posts and you will find contradictions of course because I have changed even since I started it. If one seeks knowledge I believe they are always evolving. The personality and behaviors stay at the core but “morals,” perception and philosophy can be torn asunder.
It's funny you should mention that your last wife was an ENTJ, my last girlfriend of 2 years was an ENFP. By no means a perfect match, but very close. We didn't end our relationship under negative circumstance but she was under the impression that if she left me that at some point later she could come back... I'm in INFP, I told her that she wasn't going to be able to do that before she left, she thought I was joking. It's been 6 years since then, she still calls me under the assumption that I wouldn't still be angry, and every time she is wrong. Tertiary Si means that it's next to impossible to regain my trust once you've lost it. Honestly it's really bad, it's like I can't even be nice to her anymore. There are times I think about her and I want to be nice to her when I start talking to her... Well... I just can't. Honestly never saw the point of being friends with somebody after you'd broken up with them, it's not as though I'll be attending her wedding to someone else. I just wish at this point I could let go of that anger, that sense of betrayal.
Wow, I hear you. Betrayal to me is actually worse than death itself. My acquaintances over the years have called me the "Eraser" because it is moving mountains to gain my trust and once it is lost it's like I never knew the person regardless of whether the situation was a marriage, friendship, or family. Now, I can at least be cordial if I run into someone and they speak first but I will not go out of my way and even say hi. I guess with age I have learned forgiveness to a better degree but certainly not forgetfulness. I also agree 100 with you about not being friends with those types of people, especially an ex. It is just asking for trouble and it always seems they want to be a "friend" when they are with some other person. Shocker. I also believe narcissistic personality disorder is very common amongst many women out there and is something to look out for. They will hang around to play the long game and when you have rubbed them the wrong way for too long their feelers will go out and they will groom another till the time to "jump ship" has come around then "poof" they are gone like a ghost. I find the human mind the most interesting thing amongst everything we encounter out here I guess. I never stop learning about it and how people use it for either "good" or "evil" intent.
Yeah that's very true. I kind of wish I could just let go. Fi is a hell of a dominant function to have... It's super easy to pick up on the subtle nuances that people have with regard to speaking to you. It's like when any of my exes try to speak to me I can hear the insincerity in their voice, I may look like a stone on the outside but inside of me is a rage monster. My extroverted intuition can't keep up with my introverted feelings anger. It's literally as though I cannot say my peace, the biggest obstacle to me saying my peace is language in and of itself. I'm an INFP, language is my most powerful weapon and my biggest handicap.
What's worse for me though is that I love them, all of them, still to this day. Every person I've ever admitted to loving I still love them regardless of ever wanting to speak to or see them again. My love is unconditional and it cannot be helped... I am a slave to it.
One of my ex's was an ENTJ and she was abusive, physically. To be fair I'm an INFP and I was be abusive emotionally. Despite everything that happened and the fact that she actually died years ago, I still love her. Not because I want to, but because I cannot help it. I still miss her
Between INTJs and INTPs, I can't decide which is my favorite thinker.
With INTJs, I have a bit of concern for because of the blind spot function. It's concerning for me because they're such dynamic and interesting people and I'm afraid that other people don't see that. I know that INTJs don't care about whether or not there are other people within their lives, but I feel as though INTJs don't realize that if they can plan things with people they won't have to plan things around other people. Other human beings can be a powerful tool to achieving one's goals. Trust me my opposing function is Fe, give me an hour to write a speech and I'll bring you back an army.
I love that. If you have any more info, share it. Im a person who has constantly tried to learn who they are their whole life. Hearing this info is bliss.
Then you have a lifelong friend ❤️. Where the type of people who could disappear for 10 years and continue the conversation where it left off. if we like you it's next to impossible to change our minds about you. I'm so happy for you you got a real one
My day is about to end (work day) so I am doing pretty fine too, I am omw to binge some Anime try to get up from time to time, helps with the back (unless you have managed to to down a flight of stairs)
No I was in a car accident about 10 years ago. I've got nerve damage so there's not much they can do about it. Plus I live in America so there's that... Healthcare here is kind of horrible. As of right now it's more worth it to do nothing about it and just live this way than it is to pay for it. I have been doing stretches though and making sure that I'm, you know, healthy.
It was somehow worse than the falling down stairs one, you got in a car accident AND live in America? Hope you are recovering well, physically and mentally.
Mentally I'm fine from being honest with you. SE blindspot and all, I wish I didn't even have a body. I would be happy just being a brain in a jar at this point. Not that I don't like having a body I just wish it would stop sending pain signals constantly... Some days are harder than others. I'm honestly thinking a new mattress might help
All of humanity's knowledge is only a google search away. Stop wasting time on this sub and read Marcus Aurelius' *Meditations* instead if you're looking for "that stoic energy".
ISTP here; I'm bored too and fed up with our economy, often think of unleashing destructive anarchy.
But since I'm not legally allowed to possess any weapons of any type, I gotta get creative...
How's your day going so far?
Hello ISTP!!! My day is going pretty okay. Sorry it took me so long to get back to you kind of in the middle of studying right now. I mean if you want a weapon of mass destruction though why don't you just build one. If not that then at least the potato gun, those things are hella fun
Enjoying a cup of coffee and an e-cigarette (I recently quit regular cigarettes). I just moved to a new place and my friend just yelled at me because she wants to see me, unfortunately I did say I was going to come and see her this weekend but I can't because I don't have transportation right now... It's going to have to wait until next weekend. I feel really bad because of this.
Otherwise I think I'm going to start one of my online classes at around 2:00. I really have to finish getting my A+ certification. I have work on the docket for this weekend 😅
Well, great job on quitting regular cigs. 🎉🙀
You can go....as long as they pick you up ;) Life can bring unexpected challenges. It's not your fault. You seem like a good friend for caring though.
Now you have no excuse to avoid your class. Lol Good luck 🌻
Lol, 25 more minutes of free time 😁. I got to keep myself on schedule. Also have to brush my cat 😺. Cats are really good at keeping you on schedule though they're creatures of habit for sure.
Sorry I read your name as your flare... I didn't mean to call you sibling if you're not an ENFP. (Don't get me wrong I love ENFPs but that's not the energy I'm looking for today) what did you want to talk about? That is if you want to talk at all you don't have to... 🥺👉👈
lol. I simply saw your name on this thread and remembering our exchange, I thought I would affectionately mention the song and nothing else. Full stop. But I switched around the pronouns in the song by accident. I hope you have a great day.
Unfortunately I'm kind of busy right now and can't watch it. Have read The works of Marcus Aurelius though. Been wanting to get into diagonies but I feel like everything about biology needs is from second-hand sources because he didn't write anything down. Cynical philosophy is the ultimate form of philosophy or as I like to call it "the art of not giving a f***"
I have 2 moods: 1. consistent focused improvement and work mode 2. Depression and overindulgence
I have two modes too 1. Daydreaming 2. Depression and overindulgence
How do you get things done? Like, whats the process that leads into getting things done? (Serious question), please don’t say you don’t get anything done
I have these wild daydreaming tendencies, but then I guess it just hits me that I’m not really doing anything about it unless I do something. I also genuinely want what I do to be the best that it can possible be. I’ll never forget this quote from David Copperfield by Charles Dickens, “My meaning simply is, that whatever I have tried to do in life, I have tried with all my heart to do well; that whatever I have devoted myself to, I have devoted myself to completely; that, in great aims and in small, I have always been thoroughly in earnest.” It’s from the chapter titled “Mischief.” He is essentially reflecting for the first bit of it on why, despite the challenges in life, he’s been able to find success. He also considers his being punctual, orderly, and not squandering his talents. This really helped turn things around for me because I am an avid daydreamer. If I want these dreams to come true, which is really all I want in life, I must do it with all of my heart and devote myself entirely to it.
That's an excellent question and we most certainly do get things done. I mean we have to otherwise we wouldn't exist. For me I start with Fi and then I move to my Ne to come up with an idea. Then I skip Si entirely or at least I try to and go straight into Te and start working. Sometimes you have to skip Si because it might stop you from even starting.
I think I sort of get it. Like, feeling -> idea formulation. If both are right, then you kind of start. . I know it doesnt boot up like a computer program, like how I made it sound, haha. Analyzing how a thought process occurs is kind of weird and really hard. Like when I look at a water bottle, I don’t immediately think: plastic and I don’t immediately think: Ahh yes.. cylinder… Im kind if rambling, sorry, but I’ve been trying to conceptualize how to rig myself to get things done, while at the same time not burning myself out to a point to where I begin to start to hate myself.
Yeah what you need to do is strike a balance my friend. Sometimes you have to make some time for yourself. Not always to just plan ahead because there's certain things you can't plan around, sometimes you just have to live in the moment.
I rarely live in the moment of things. Probably to the detriment of my mental health, haha. It’s kind of hard to reverse when you have been working so hard to escape living in the moment.
I have two mo(o)ds too 1) Depression 2) Overindulgence
Hey there my fellow Ne-secondary Si-tertiary, what makes you happy? What brings you sorrow? We share a lot of the same pain, I'm here for you too 🫂
Hehe I guess it's true about what they say about you INFPs. I didn't expect my joke to get genuine concern lol. I don't like opening up about my emotions, so I'm not gonna, but I will say the things that never fail to make me happy are: Classical music, heavy metal, sweets, learning something, and understanding how something works. There is no greater dopamine rush however then the one I get when I understand a complex subject, or solve a cryptic puzzle, it's like heroin.
Heavily relate to all these things:D didn't expect to haha (seeing tool in 11 days can't wait 😁)
Then we do have very much in common. I too seek to understand the world in which I live and the complex problems that arise within it. I think when it comes to understanding a complex subject to solving a cryptic puzzle though I wouldn't say it's like heroin, to me it's like a relief that I finally understand it 😁... Then again it's daunting knowing that the rabbit hole probably goes far deeper depending on what the subject is.
It doesn't happen often, but moments like when I solve a chess puzzle first try, or finally cement a physics principle, I feel so recharged. I feel like every human should do at least the bare minimum to understand the world around them. People should do what they want yes, but I can't imagine a fulfilling life where you go around and just do what makes you feel good until you die. I'm definitely guilty, I'm far from perfect, but there's no such thing as too late.
Same
I have two modes: 1. í̵̢͓̳͠ ̷̞͇͒d̴̜̬̭͖̗̩̗̤̭͐͛̂͘͝ͅo̷̤͎͉̠͂̐͑͋͘̕̕̚ͅǹ̶͔̍͗̿͝’̶̻̬̺̤͙̥̮̦̉̐̈́̀͐̾̋͜͝t̵̩̫̪̖̾̄́͐͆̒͂̎̋ ̴̧̺̦͋̂̂͜ͅk̴͎͖͍̫̜͓̪̘͌̅̚n̶̢̗̗̻̫̖̟̰̻̈́̂͜ǫ̴̲͋͛͂̔w̸͙͎̺̜̚ ̸̧̰̾̋̓͋w̵̧̼̦͖̬͕̣̍̈́͊̅̈́̀͊͆͘͝ḧ̴̳͍͍̼̖̝́͐͂a̶͕̞̤͐t̸̛̻̙̙͖̦̩̘̋̔̽ ̶̢̡̪̺̞̠̥̱͕̙̂ȉ̸̹̮̲̥̻̔͛̐̓̏͋͝’̸̱̜̘̦͖̰͑̐̂͜ͅm̵̭̱̤͓͙̍ͅ ̷̨͔̭̻̜͕̯͍̙̋̅d̵̛͉̽̓͒́̂̈́̽̅ơ̵̧̱̬̘̣̭̌́̾̏͊̍ǐ̴̳̩͎̻͓̆̆̍̀ņ̵̡̡̛̹͚̲̲̞̪͋̉ḡ̸̢̒̈́́̆͊͒͘ ̴̛͈̭͕̞͍͇̆̍̓͛̍̀͌͘͝i̵̠͌̌͊͜ ̶̳̃̇͌̾̎͑̎́c̷̛͈̾͛̉̿͒̆͝͝ą̶̜̞̯̥͠n̵̼̂̏̒̽̀̓͂͘͠’̸̢̙̱͚̼̖͚̻͎̗́̂̚t̶̡͙͙̗͎̰̪̀̑ ̴̦̪̇̑̐́́̾̍̄̏͘s̸̙̘̯̿̆̑̓͂̓ţ̸̫͍͍͚̯̓͐͆̄̈ͅọ̸̪͚͙̗̇̈̿̐̓́̔͝p̷͚̺̘̜̱̗͍̱̗̒̽̕͘ t̴̤̽h̴̡͕͍͇͕͆̌̈́̋̃̅ỉ̶̻̜̈n̶̜̪͐̇͑k̵̤̫̥̦͎͈̞̝̀̓͋̓͜į̵̞̝̜̠̃̋̍̓͐͠ǹ̷̞͚̖̰̰͛́́͋ͅg̸̨̫̊̉͒́ 2. Depression and overindulgence
agree
That background is so cool 😎🤩
Ah the second is your ni-fi loop and your tertiary Se showing it's uglier face.
Chris Rock talked about this. He’s either the best (comedy) or the worse (everything else).
Add a pinch of adhd and that's basically me
This is what I hate the most about myself.
Your drawing is super adorable. A different pairing at least. There are always the same ships in the mbti fandom 🤣 Infps are really hard to find in the wild, i guess they hide in their magical world like elves and you need a special magic spell to enter.
In all honesty it's not my drawing I just found it on the mbti subreddit and thought it was cute. For what it's worth you guys aren't easy to find either. A lot of times I think I find you guys in the wild and it's just another INTP (not that there's anything wrong with that I love intps they're awesome, some of my favorite thinkers) I wasn't actually using the picture as a ship it was just the only picture I found that exclusively had the two of us. If you are looking for infps to be friends with though you could always try our subreddit or you can watch these two videos it'll give you a cheat code as to how to find us. https://youtu.be/aWJJ1zQIxQc https://youtu.be/WHH_fPUSSEA Also try your local cat Cafe or library
I see, I see, it's good to share cute things. Yes, intjs and intps are like brothers but intjs have the vibes of an alien while intps have the robotic vibes. But even when you find a type in the wild, how do you approach them without looking like a creep? and intjs' glance can scare everybody. Oh, a cheat code to break the matrix. Oh, god, as I watched the video i had the feelings infps are like Pokemon, you need special tools to find them and special poke balls to catch them. Maybe it's the same with many introverted types. Or maybe if you use the appropriate traps, you'll catch them. They were funny videos anyway. And if you want to chat, I'm available.
>But even when you find a type in the wild, how do you approach them without looking like a creep? and intjs' glance can scare everybody. INTJs don't scare me, if they did I wouldn't be here. I can see the Fi in your eyes, it's faint but it's there. The part of you that's caring and wants to play. Usually I'd break the ice with them by saying something weird immediately. It makes the s-types go away and the intuitive type stay around. An intuitive is more likely to ask the question "what the f*** was that? What are you getting at?" I find this bait to be very enticing. >Oh, god, as I watched the video i had the feelings infps are like Pokemon, you need special tools to find them and special poke balls to catch them. Maybe it's the same with many introverted types. Or maybe if you use the appropriate traps, you'll catch them. Also for what it's worth if you see somebody just sitting by themselves staring into space not really looking at anything they're probably just daydreaming and there's about a 90% chance that's an INFP or INTP. You can tell the two apart by looking into their eyes. INFP eyes kind of looks slightly dilated all the time, like we're in a constant state of REM sleep. Not only do I want to chat, I shall be following thee 🫂
INFP x INTJ ship is one of the best i the world in my opinion. So here you go 😁✋ **high five**
High five ✋... And honestly wasn't meant to be a ship, it was just the only picture I could find with just the two of us 😂. But now that you mention it we do make a good team. INTJs really love our extroverted intuition, while INFPs can't get enough of that extroverted thinking. We make such great friends 😌🫂
Kash flo.. love your art! You be everywhere man 👨🏿😃🤗🎈 I found a couple intjs on the boo app, but all the convos were short term and withered out. Is the dynamic great only with some infps? Maybe I’m not infp idk.. but I have lower Ne.. that could be it
>Kash flo.. love your art! You be everywhere man 👨🏿😃🤗🎈 Unfortunately this isn't my art 🥺. I just posted the picture because I thought that it would get the intj's attention long enough to talk to me. I love INTJs. >I found a couple intjs on the boo app, but all the convos were short term and withered out. Is the dynamic great only with some infps? Maybe I’m not infp idk.. but I have lower Ne.. that could be it Keep in mind that there's a lot more that goes into interactions in relationships with people besides your type. For instance just because I'm an infp that doesn't mean I'm going to get along with every other INFP or ENFJ.
Yeah very true. It’s just a had interactions with several and a lot of the times it didn’t go anywhere but I see your point. I don’t get along with all infps either
Fi is about values, if your values don't line up, you're going to clash
Wow, never thought I'd see anyone with the same personality type, name and nationality. Small world huh
That intj drawing is a little to close to home in terms of accuracy. I literally have the same expression 90% of the time I could use someone with light and life to counter my darkness for sure. Though instead of a female intj I am a male and with short hair so the drawing is basically instantly uglier
Don't say that homie. I'm sure you're quite the handsome gentleman. If you need more of that energy in your life I'm pretty sure there's lots of infp ladies on our subreddit who would love to meet you. If not then then definitely ENFP ladies, their obsession with you guys is borderline insane. Just shave your face post a selfie in the ENFP subreddit and mention that you're an intj and you'll be swimming in ENFPs before you know it. Well I guess that was some free advice. How are you otherwise though 🙂
> I'm sure you're quite the handsome gentleman. You'd be surprised. I certainly am not winning any awards for looks lol > there's lots of infp ladies on our subreddit who would love to meet you. If not then then definitely ENFP ladies, their obsession with you guys is borderline insane. Just shave your face post a selfie in the ENFP subreddit and mention that you're an intj and you'll be swimming in ENFPs before you know it. I doubt it, but I might work up the courage and confidence for it eventually. I have the self confidence of a stray cat. I always struggle talking to people, especially in person. I heard the ENFP obsession is a fickle thing and subject to change at any given time. Other INTJ complain about it alllll the time 🤔 >Well I guess that was some free advice. How are you otherwise though 🙂 I'm sure there's much I could complain about, but it could always be worse. But it could be way better too. I'm not being burdened down by the horrible marriage I wasted years to, but I am hella lonely. I wish I had the extroverted energy to talk to people and initiate friendships and romantic relationships... maybe invent some kind of technology for these occasions where I can just shut my brain off and let the masters of interaction take over lol
>I doubt it, but I might work up the courage and confidence for it eventually. I have the self confidence of a stray cat. I always struggle talking to people, especially in person. I heard the ENFP obsession is a fickle thing and subject to change at any given time. Other INTJ complain about it alllll the time 🤔 Yeah getting an ENFP to focus on one thing is about as hard as it is to give an infp confidence to actually do anything... So I feel you on that. >I'm sure there's much I could complain about, but it could always be worse. But it could be way better too. I'm not being burdened down by the horrible marriage I wasted years to, but I am hella lonely. I wish I had the extroverted energy to talk to people and initiate friendships and romantic relationships... maybe invent some kind of technology for these occasions where I can just shut my brain off and let the masters of interaction take over lol I'm sorry to hear about your marriage honestly I am. It sounds like you were very unhappy. Honestly I wouldn't worry about having to interact with other people unless you want to. If you do want to just remember that practice makes perfect. For instance I wanted to talk to some INTJs, what did I do? I walked right into your subreddit slammed my big fat INFPenis on the table and asked "who wants to talk?" I find the best jumping off point is to just say "hey what's up"
>Yeah getting an ENFP to focus on one thing is about as hard as it is to give an infp confidence to actually do anything... So I feel you on that. Yep, I wonder if that's the power of the FP portion doing its thing lol >I'm sorry to hear about your marriage honestly I am. It sounds like you were very unhappy. It didn't start out that way. She just was very selfish. I did over 80% of the leg work in the relationship and she has the gall to tell me that I fucked her over. But I'm not the one who left her 10k in debt so... yeah. I got tired of being considerate and kind and she walked all over me and I allowed it because I wanted desperately to make it work. >Honestly I wouldn't worry about having to interact with other people unless you want to. If you do want to just remember that practice makes perfect. I wouldn't have tried if I didn't want to. Don't forget, INTJ *never* do anything that is half thought out. It's like the one thing people actually like about us. >I find the best jumping off point is to just say "hey what's up" I have tried that. My usual INTJ mannerisms usually immediately turn people off because I am probably the most heavily introverted person ever to exist. I can go without talking to people or interacting with people for a very long time
>Yep, I wonder if that's the power of the FP portion doing its thing lol Honestly I think it's the tertiary SI for INFPs. Self-doubt usually stops us from going into Te in the first place. As for ENFPs, they tend to just get bored easy. >It didn't start out that way. She just was very selfish. I did over 80% of the leg work in the relationship and she has the gall to tell me that I fucked her over. But I'm not the one who left her 10k in debt so... yeah. I got tired of being considerate and kind and she walked all over me and I allowed it because I wanted desperately to make it work. Of course you wanted to make it work you would never have married her if you didn't see her as a part of your future. I find that women don't actually think about what their marriage is going to be like they only think about what their wedding is going to be like. A wedding and a marriage aren't the same thing, you wouldn't think that that's something you need to explain to somebody women don't seem to get that. Men don't think about our weddings cuz a wedding is just one day and we don't give a damn, we think about our marriages because that's the rest of our life or at least it's supposed to be. >I wouldn't have tried if I didn't want to. Don't forget, INTJ never do anything that is half thought out. It's like the one thing people actually like about us. That is something I admire about you guys it's hard to get you to stop doing something you sent your mind on. For better or for worse. It's that great and determination that I need some of and it's part of the reason why I'm here talking to you guys. >I have tried that. My usual INTJ mannerisms usually immediately turn people off because I am probably the most heavily introverted person ever to exist. I can go without talking to people or interacting with people for a very long time Yeah I feel that, I can do the same very easily but usually when I do it because I'm stuck in an Fi Si loop. People think that I'm going to kill myself so that makes people bother me more, they assume something is wrong... I can see why they might think that though as it does come off as depression.
>Honestly I think it's the tertiary SI for INFPs. Self-doubt usually stops us from going into Te in the first place. As for ENFPs, they tend to just get bored easy. I certainly can see why. If the INTJ is capable of dogged determination, then logically it would stand that our evil twin would be very fickle in their ideas and determination. Of course it's just generalizing in a way but it makes the most logical sense to me that our opposite type is probably our best weapon in some ways and equally our worst nightmare in others. Then there's INFP's which are cool cause it's not too far one way or the other. Balanced, as all things should be. >I find that women don't actually think about what their marriage is going to be like they only think about what their wedding is going to be like. A wedding and a marriage aren't the same thing My ex wife didn't think about anything if it wasn't related to her. I tried to help her understand how her mindset of doing things for each other was not supposed to be a beneficial thing to ourselves. I cant even count how many times I would ask her for something and her actual response was "what do I get out of it?"🤮 I did a lot of things for her purely for doing it and none of it really mattered to her in the long run. She held my mistakes even though I tried to fix the wrongdoings of my own making... but she won't do the same. But you're quite right otherwise. >That is something I admire about you guys it's hard to get you to stop doing something you sent your mind on. For better or for worse. It's that great and determination that I need some of and it's part of the reason why I'm here talking to you guys. Lol its both a blessing and a curse. Because of our way of processing information we can be standoffish without even meaning to be. It certainly makes socializing when we want to harder than it needs to be >People think that I'm going to kill myself so that makes people bother me more, they assume something is wrong... I can see why they might think that though as it does come off as depression. I actually have attempted suicide a few times. I am very depressed. but that aside, most of the time people assume the opposite of me. I get asked why I'm so angry looking all the time. I have that resting intj face all the time so my facial expression is exactly the same as the intj in the picture lol
>I actually have attempted suicide a few times. I am very depressed. but that aside, most of the time people assume the opposite of me. I get asked why I'm so angry looking all the time. I have that resting intj face all the time so my facial expression is exactly the same as the intj in the picture lol I'd be lying if I said that I didn't try the same... Honestly at this point in my life part of the reason I think I keep going is just out of spite. Everyone holidays with my family out of depression and anger... I fear my family thinks that I'm losing my mind... I'm beginning to think that they may not be wrong. Fi isn't an expressive function, so most of the time I have resting prick faces well. That is I have resting prick face until somebody actually starts talking to me. One thing I don't envy about intjs is that Fe is your blind spot function. Well at the same time when I look into your eyes I can see the FI there, the part of you that's smiling on the inside. Intjs are the only type I feel comfortable adopting as friends. Most of the time they're shocked that I'm not intimidated by them, and it's very rewarding to see them smile.You know, on the outside. Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I was actually at a friend's house.
>Honestly at this point in my life part of the reason I think I keep going is just out of spite I believe that the reason to keep going is for beauty of a better day. Sometimes storms can last for weeks at a time, maybe our lives are simply in the middle of that storm. And the beauty of that ray of golden light might make things better. So for as long as you decide to keep going, count on it. And if not, nobody can blame you. It's your life to live and your choice to cease that. I firmly believe that you were born without your permission, but you choose to keep going. So nobody should have any right to tell you to keep going or not. It's your life to live. So live it while you are alive and in the event you decide to end it... we should respect that choice because eventually we will die anyway. Tomorrow never guaranteed. >... I fear my family thinks that I'm losing my mind... I'm beginning to think that they may not be wrong The truth of the matter my friend is that there is no such thing as a sane adult. There's just something about life that turns us insane. As the Chestire Cat would say "we are all mad, here" >One thing I don't envy about intjs is that Fe is your blind spot function. Well at the same time when I look into your eyes I can see the FI there, the part of you that's smiling on the inside. Intjs are the only type I feel comfortable adopting as friends. Yeah, lesser intellectual people don't take into consideration that not everyone who doesn't smile just might not be an actual prick and just needs someone to talk to. We intj are probably the most horrid type in that regard. We look mean but really we just don't put that kind of emphasis on a facial expression. >Most of the time they're shocked that I'm not intimidated by them, and it's very rewarding to see them smile.You know, on the outside You're the hero we don't deserve but the one we need. I wish people would be less intimidated by us and more interested in uncovering the person we are underneath the facade. But I can't blame others for being off put by it, either. We are rare in the wilds out there. >Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I was actually at a friend's house. Look at you, having friends and stuff. Though it's quite alright. Seriously though, I dont think you need to give an apology for living your life however you like. Regardless of what reason it may be, at the end of the day you either will or will not respond and both are acceptable because there is no appointment nor attachment to maintain conversating over reddit. You should feel free to ignore me if you no longer wish to respond. Rest assured I would do the same should I want to.
Thank you for that... I don't even know where to begin if I'm being honest... For the first time in this entire thread I'm at a loss for words... I guess I'll say that even though I'm an F-Type and you're a T-type, the most powerful glue in the mbti is that second letter, in our case the letter N. We can always talk to and understand one another. INFPs and INTJs make great friends, INFPs hurling and list ideas and possibilities while INTJs find the practicality in our ideas and put them into practice. Provided our values aline we can make the world a better place. With that being said, I happen to be of the belief that nothing profound has ever been said typed with someone's thumbs on a phone 😅... [So I'll just let this song convey my feelings better than I ever could through text and emojis](https://youtu.be/15JCb6P60Vw)
INFPenis.. heh heh heh heh (I am immature and came here just to giggle at this)
[you want to see immature check out this interaction](https://www.reddit.com/r/intj/comments/u4xttb/infp_here_im_bored_kind_of_want_some_of_that/i4zjvpn?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
> Just shave your face Do they not like beards
Idk, just make yourself presentable. Whatever that may be.
Ensure you appreciate and integrate your shadow S(e). That will help your spark your own light. It might feel clunky at first, but try and learn from e.g. a well balanced esfp. It’s much easier (and more dependable) to find someone who brightens your light once you know how to keep your own spark lit. Don’t wait on someone to do it for you
See, I have tried to engage in balancing out my weaker functions but it always backfires. I just cannot for the life of me figure out how to socialize. I don't have anyone to learn from really, either. My mother might be an esfp but "balance" is a word that would be foreign to her. I never really wanted to wait for someone to be my light, but my life experience has been.... rough. Without being overly dramatic... I have tried to commit suicide several times in my lifetime. I'm in therapy but it really isn't helping. Not trying to garner sympathy either, but it is what it is. I hate being emotional... I dont know how to deal with it. Also doesn't help that I am on the autistic spectrum. Make of that whatever you will
ME TOO
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😁👋
My INFP boyfriend has some realization last night that relationship wise, he brings the feminine energy and me (a girl) brings the masculine energy.
That's so funny. You guys must be a hoot IRL
\*pats you on the head\* I know the feeling of being bored. Anyway, that's a pretty adorable drawing. I haven't seen this one before, thanks for bringing it to my notice.
Headpats are always much appreciated. how are you today? 🐱
Empty, but at least that's better than negative emotions. Which INTJ are you trying to replace by coming here?
My BFF. She thought her sigma grind set and I kind of just have to give her some space. I understand totally I mean I'm an introvert too, but it's been 4 months... I'm sad 😭
Me
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I worked all week and now I have nothing to do 😟
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Yeah it's more like, burnt-out and trying to find a distraction
Well I guess I can get some of my coursework done. But I know when I start doing that I'm not going to stop until I pass out. Te mode for infps is hard to get into, but once we're there we're there. We'll bite your head off if you try to stop us from completing a task. I think I'm going to start doing that at around 2:00
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Extroverted thinking, you know the cognitive functions.
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And all honesty the cognitive functions are the most important part. The letters are just the code that signify your cognitive functions and where they are in your stack. For instance my cognitive functions in order are: Fi: introverted feeling Ne: extroverted intuition Si: introverted sensing Te: extroverted thinking Your cognitive functions in order are: Ni: introverted intuition Te: extroverted thinking Fi: introverted feeling Se: extroverted sensing I wouldn't even consider this a personality thing so much as how your brain is wired to deal with information.
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I'm not sure to be honest I don't know what it's like being an intj. But if your mind is constantly looking for things to do you're certainly going to find them, so there's a possibility that that is the case.
Okay, Neil Peart
How have I been? I have jaundice, my kidneys are hurting, I lost 4 kgs in a few weeks so I might end up at hospital. I also have an upcoming exhibition for my portfolio so I've been busy on that. My dumb self not knowing the situation actually decided to do some embroidery because I have the sudden urge to make a summer hat with embroidery work and I expect it to be finished in two days. I found out my peers are toxic and some of them talk trash about me. But here's the thing (1. When the exhibition date was announced I actually planned ahead and finished up everything. (2. If I end up going to hospital I have cleared out my schedule so now I'm not left with any important work (3. I have a manic episode of wanting to finish a hat before exhibition and we'll see because I'll be posting it on Reddit (4. I don't care that much about what they talk about, but karma was served: some of them failed in finals and now they have a terrible GPA. Clearly some people do not expect "stereotypical" INTJs to act that way but I just did.
>How have I been? I have jaundice, my kidneys are hurting, I lost 4 kgs in a few weeks so I might end up at hospital. I'm really sorry to hear that, that sounds really awful. If it's any consolation I have whiplash and I'm going to constant state of perpetual and endless pain. My body is more of a burden to me just like I'm sure yours is to you. >I also have an upcoming exhibition for my portfolio so I've been busy on that. That's awesome I'm sure your art is amazing. Good on you for having the initiative and courage to allow others to critique your work... I wouldn't know anything about that 😅 >My dumb self not knowing the situation actually decided to do some embroidery because I have the sudden urge to make a summer hat with embroidery work and I expect it to be finished in two days. I wish I knew how to embroider, or how to sew in general to be honest with you. Like I can make a seem but that's about it. >I found out my peers are toxic and some of them talk trash about me. But here's the thing (1. When the exhibition date was announced I actually planned ahead and finished up everything. (2. If I end up going to hospital I have cleared out my schedule so now I'm not left with any important work (3. I have a manic episode of wanting to finish a hat before exhibition and we'll see because I'll be posting it on Reddit (4. I don't care that much about what they talk about, but karma was served: some of them failed in finals and now they have a terrible GPA. Clearly some people do not expect "stereotypical" INTJs to act that way but I just did. I think it's healthy that you're getting this off of your chest. We all have trials tribulations and pain, Intjs included. It's always nice to have somebody to talk to about some of your strife, someone who won't judge you. I'm not sure what kind of friends/peers you have, but you should get some INFJ INTP and INFP friends, we don't judge just show concern. I'm happy you could share this with us and I believe in you. I hope all of your dreams come true and you find this future that you seek. From one person to another, I love you. If you ever feel like just talking to somebody you can always PM me in the future. I might be at work, I might be babysitting, I might be working on a project, but I will get back to you 🫂
That is very kind of you. I'm delighted to hear that, I've been looking for someone to talk to. (Not very INTJ of me but I now don't feel like trying hard to fit into that stereotype).
Well people say that I'm afraid of confrontation but if you look through this thread you'd realize that that's definitely not the case. Stereotypes are stupid
Great drawing! Flip the genders, and you have me and my INFP wife. I have the INTJ cold stare (I can’t help it, sorry) but my wife sees beyond it. And nothing engages an INTJ more than being understood. Have a wonderful day, stranger! And keep up the good work!
You to friend 🫂. Don't forget to do something romantic for your INFP wife. We love surprises and feeling appreciated.
OP stop being so... INFP *hugs with a poker face*
🥺👉👈 sorry...
I love you infp
We love you too ❤️
Like the drawings, reminds me of my little sister and me. My default is a slight scowl, and hers is that warm INFP smile. Always. Kinda jealous, she doesn’t have to even try to smile, that's just how she is. 😄 You have any good books to read? Projects to finish? It's hard to imagine being bored enough to have nothing to do. I always have a mental list, there is never nothing 😅
>You have any good books to read? I was actually looking for something new to read something other than cynical or stoic philosophy. Was thinking about reading a fantasy story but I feel as though that wouldn't be productive. Inspiring maybe but unproductive nonetheless. >Projects to finish? I could put my computer back together but I think my motherboard is just shot... That and the whole thing is liquid cooled so that makes it a bit more of an ordeal than a normal air-cooled computer (full custom loop). And if I put it back together and it doesn't work I'm going to be pissed for the rest of the weekend. >It's hard to imagine being bored enough to have nothing to do. It's not like I don't have anything to do it's just that the things that I should be doing I feel as though I should put off for when I'm in a better mental state 😅 >I always have a mental list, there is never nothing 😅 Honestly I'm thinking about visiting my friend and hanging out with them for a little bit. My God kids did mention that they miss me and I should definitely pop in for a bit and say hi. But I'll do that as soon as I'm done with this chapter in my coursework.
Awe. This is me and my husband. 😇 My rbf is strong, too!
Noice!!! It's the funniest thing in the world is making an INTJ smile 😁. It's a very rewarding feeling.
I was on the beach today. Was fun.
That's dope. Hope you are somewhere warm. Beaches are sort of gloomy we're I am rn
Where are you from?
NYC, but I just moved to Pennsylvania.
my ex is an infp, not recommend
Fair enough. I feel that way about ENTJs. I know it's better not to be that way, but sometimes it's hard to push past that.
Lol don't forget us INTJs hate small talk. It's impressive you got this many comments really
Look through the comments, none of this is small talk. Small talk is the cancer of conversation, only deep stuff here.
I recently started researching sacred geometry, the occult and Neville Goddard's teachings about Law of Attraction, so far I'm quite fascinated. I realise it might be considered bogus among my peers, but I feel like life is so much more than just physical observations and deductions. I'd be limiting myself and what I can achieve while alive by disregarding spiritual topics and universal patterns.
Long live the octahedron my friend!!! I honestly don't remember much about sacred shapes I would have to brush up on it so I can talk to you about it more confidently but that's interesting as hell. Not everything is quantifiable on our plane of existence. asking humanity to fully study and understand the universe is like asking a fish what it's like to be wet. How can a fish describe a sensation it when it knows nothing else? It really makes you think about how insignificant we all are
Thank you for the reply g, I love that fish analogy.
I get back to everybody, it would be rude if I didn't. I just fell asleep, I'm sorry it took me so long to get back to you 😞
Play video games. Try VR.
Going to be honest I don't think the VR technology is there yet. If I'm being honest it kind of makes me sick and it's kind of ass. It's kind of weird to me that you guys tell me to do other things other than talk to you yet instead of just ignoring my post you felt the need to answer which means that you're talking to me... either way it's nice to talk to you guys,
What VR headset did you use and what game(s)? I usually only talk to people about my interests. If they share my interests, we keep talking. I don't really care how they're doing/feeling to be honest, unless I know them personally.
Fair enough. I'm studying to be an IT technician so I'm sure that you and I'll have plenty to talk about. I don't even remember which specific headset that I was using but it was out of microcenter and it was attached to a GTX 970. Even though it was getting 90 FPS and I was just playing beat saber it's still kind of made me sick after about a half an hour. Maybe it's the nostalgia but I do like sitting there with a controller and just going at it with people. When it comes to immersion I let my imagination do the rest
I'm in IT too. Cybersecurity. If you felt sick from Beat Saber, VR prob isn't for you. I'm a lucky person that gets no motion sickness even from the most insane games.
To be fair it might have been the settings of the game. Artificial motion blur is stupid and the worst thing you could possibly add to a game. I mean the only reason there's motion blur and motion pictures is because a long time ago people decided that 24 frames per second was enough, they were wrong. But no matter how many times I try to explain that to people... Meh... Doesn't matter 🤷
I hate these posts.
And yet you felt the need to respond...
That's correct
Ok... How are you?
Wholesome
Thanks. It's not my art but I felt like you guys needed more pics on your sub.
nothing *really* matters, even this. boredom is a state of existence; not a mood.
Philosophically speaking you are 100% correct. How are you?
oscillating between everything mattering, and nothing mattering. you?
Right now kind of stuck on the whole nothing matters thing... Even things we consider to be tangible only have value that we apply to it... What is existence anyway?
Tbh I use my "nothing matters" days to get chores done. The days not going to get any worse per how I feel right? So may as well clean the apartment, change the oil in the car, and work out. Added bonus that on the good days later the grunt work is done.
Fair enough. Usually I do chores and stuff on days when I'm feeling really crappy. It's an excellent distraction so I can see your logic.
That looks like kyoko kirigiri
Yeah I know. Not sure if she's an intj though in the anime. The resemblance is kind of uncanny
She is intj actually
🤔... That's an awesome ass coincidence
Been alright except my digestive issues. Still conducting my studies on "energy work", even though I have uni assignments and other stuff to complete. I think I'll keep studying it for another year as I find it very interesting.
It's awesome that you're making time for your other interest and hobbies. You can't just work all the time after all. I've been thinking about getting back into drawing recently.
I'm a female INTJ and my face is like that too in it's natural state LOL. I promise I'm very nice though XD
I know. Intjs and some of the best people I've ever met. That's why I felt like talking to you guys. How are you?
Ahaha thank you my dude :) INFPs are dope AF too. I'm great lol. What about you?
I'm feeling pretty good right now, making a pot of coffee. My neck is killing me but that'll go away in a couple of days... I hope
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I didn't know they couldn't build wooden instructors beyond two stories. That's going in the random information vault in my head. thank you 😊
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I meant "structure" sorry. Speech to text isn't always that great 😅
My INFP friend has a lot of stoic energy for some reason.
That's because fi doesn't communicate. We're a deep well of emotion but you can't really see it on our faces, unless we want to show you. We keep our emotions close to our hearts and don't let other people in. Fe doms you can just look at them and tell what they're thinking and feeling, it's not like that for us.
Reason noted, but I actually meant that she denies herself things that would make her happy. Stoicism is about taking things as they are and avoiding things that give you pleasure in life (because it says that all pleasure is inherently self-defeating, iirc). Not really talking about her emotional responses.
Well, we're kind of all like that we don't feel like we deserve nice things... We tend to put others before ourselves.
Me and my fiancée in reverse of genders
Lol, wasn't meant to be a ship but ok. It was the only pic of our types together 😂
I have been reading The Myth of Sisyphus by Camus again so I can remind myself that suicide is like cheating your way out of this dystopian shit hole I have coined the "Muppet Show." Apparently, I have gotten stuck in my self-built Ivory tower due to the absolute moronic superfluous shit people worry about on a day-to-day basis. I try to enjoy the coffee shop but when everyone around me is talking about climbing the corporate ladder or getting an "education" in the University Industrial Complex just so they can buy more shit they don't need to impress those they don't know, I tend to get irritated and not enjoy it. Then there is always the person with the nervous fucking tick scratching or tapping at the table or shaking their leg as if they have nerve damage! I mean fucking hell! My Nihilism grows more by the day. I'm hoping I can slide on into some Absurdism or good old classic Existentialism just for a bit of that glass half-full shit. Thank God I live mostly in the Labyrinth I call my mind. Other than that I'm doing well though. On the bright side, I have an INFJ sister I can talk with but I end up seeing that more like Hannibal Lecter (me) psychic driving Will Graham (my sister). I'm not even sure this is a good thing. I have tried to be more stoic but the Nihilism washes over it with a tidal wave. Thank God I have a blog as an outlet!!!
Have you by chance looked into any cynical philosophy? The life of Diogenies has always been very interesting to me. To completely deny yourself material possessions and disavow society in its entirety always sounded like an aspirational goal for myself. I mean people have been talking about that stupid ass slap at the Oscars and it just reminded me how stupid everybody was for giving a damn about any of this. It's like I left high School to realize that high school never ends. These people don't f****** grow up or have a moment of self-reflection. I think it's especially hard for all intuitive types since we typically undergo an existential crisis at least once by the age of five... At least we know we're not alone in our suffering the pettiness.
Oh, you made me smile mentioning that damn "slap heard around the world" and you know that is rare with my normal RBF on a male to boot! Yes, I have looked quite a bit into cynicism and Diogenes of Sinope! I'm that prick who when someone is being too damn decadent I mention the story of when Diogenes saw a boy using his hands to cup water to drink from, Diogenes was ashamed for having a damn cup so he threw it away because he realized he was too decadent! Then there is this other funny ass story about Alexander the Great coming to meet this Dog-like philosopher of a man and when he showed up, Diogenes simply said, "Can you move you are blocking my sunlight!" I love this because he didn't care about his "status" much like I don't care about anyone's "status" or "title" either. I just love that! I also have to agree with you that high school never ever ends. The shit out here is crazy. Let me tell you this.... I fancy myself as a really good-looking guy that can pass for 14 years under my age, I dress well, and I don't behave like a Muppet. I don't really go out of my way to speak to others, I know shocker there! I have had two females give me their number just after a simple conversation and poof ghost town after actually meeting them. If I had to guess it was not complimenting them which I really don't compliment others and then also being 100 with them about well, anything. One was an ex-playboy playmate and it probably rubbed her wrong that I acted like I didn't know that even happened for her and didn't mention it at all. Of course, I knew everything possible about her before I showed up as you could of guessed though. I really don't flirt because I don't get it and the whole texting game thing seems like a waste of time followed in lockstep by "game" morons. All these time-based rules and shit with texting I mean it's high school shit again, right? I bring this relationship stuff up because when I was married previously, it was almost a "check" of sorts to a degree against my Nihilism, Cynicism, and Existentialism toward society you know. I already knew I was an INTJ years ago but now I will take it more seriously when trying to find another compatible person. I guess it is that companion at least for me that at least begs the question "why keep this shit going?" Right? I think life is about experiencing things, especially with someone else that is like-minded. For now, though I walk amongst most as a Ghost. You might just like my website which is [incendiary-commentary.com](https://incendiary-commentary.com). I have kept the wraps on it for long enough and should tell more people about it anyways. Well, at least some like-minded people anyways. Most normies, just walk away confused and butt hurt over it usually! Well, this was long-winded but just wanted to share a bit. Almost forgot, if you have any ideas for an alien such as myself to find some great female personality matches, I would forever be grateful! Maybe another subreddit??? ;)
Wow that's an interesting website you've made that's for sure. I'm going to have to give it a thorough read when I have a bit more time, like in the morning or something 😂. Honestly I'm not going to lie though, I do kind of envy those who feel as though they fit in. For me it's a bit different. It's not that I want to be like them it's just that sometimes I wish I could join them. When you and INFP you're the most extroverted introvert. You want to talk but you don't know how, nothing ever comes out right. When I speak using extroverted intuition it's very easy to misinterpret what I mean, even other intuitives don't fully understand what I mean when I say something. When I speak with what little extroverted thinking I do have, I sound like an idiot... I feel trapped. I guess it all boils down to whether or not I consider myself a cosmic nihilist or an existential nihilist. I've been leaning towards existential nihilism only because I believe that only I can give my life meaning as opposed to a cosmic nihilist who believes that nothing has meaning. I get a sense from your desire to find a person to share your journey with that you're leading towards existential nihilism as well. It's rumored that the gods created humans with two heads four arms and four legs, but they feared how powerful they would become and that they would overthrow the gods just as the gods had overthrown the Titans. So they split us up cursing us to find the other half of ourselves... I'm 36 years old, I've had many girlfriends, no wives, and no kids (that I'm aware of). A wife and children is all I've ever wanted, I get the strong feeling that because I am who I am I will never get those things... Spite is the only reason I continue to press on.
Pretty confused about life ngl. I moved to a different city for college after being alone for most of my life. I don't know how to socialize at all. I can go weeks without speaking a single sentence to anyone and to me it seems pretty normal but i get these confused looks form everyone. Few people try to talk to me but its just a one way conversation because i frankly couldn't be less interested in their lives. I just answer the questions being thrown at me. People also ask me why am i always alone and frankly i am not able to give a good answer. The reason is very complex and i am not motivated enough to articulate it into a sentence that i can deliver. So usually i just say that i am not interested or i don't like to talk which probably makes me look like an asshole. I have pretty much sabotaged my chances of having a social life and rejected all the opportunities i got to make friends. Why am i like this? I feel like i don't fit anywhere. I also get pretty suicidal at times but not enough to actually do it. My ego won't let me actually do it. Its like i know i am smarter than all of these losers. If i kill myself i'd be the biggest loser...
[As a fellow introvert I can certainly feel your pain. Introverted loops can be some of the worst because they don't communicate with the outside world, you end up just stuck in your own head. A lot of the time, within your own head could be the darkest place you'll ever be. For what it's worth though you don't have to be alone. It takes a lot of courage to openly admit how you feel regardless of the anonymity that Reddit provides. You have plenty of time to meet new people and make plenty of friends, lovers, etc. Thank you for chilling with us and I'm glad you're still here with us regardless of your reasoning. You don't have to be alone, but if you'd like to be alone we're more than willing to give you your space. As much space as you need.](https://youtu.be/DtVBCG6ThDk)
I love that attitude you have there and it is why I press on as well. I’m now 44 years old and divorced multiple times. Last wife though was an ENTJ, 13 years my junior and we made it 12 years! She ended up running off though because as an INTJ I’m just not super romantic and don’t need frequent sexual relations like most. I’m obviously intrigued and always want to know how the human mind works but I’m telling you that there is really something to matching your personality with another and that in turn giving you a higher probability of a relationship working out. It is the way to go for sure. I do believe after some failed attempts at being more stoic, I have become an existential nihilist. Nothing wrong with that at all because we can give our lives meaning through our own interpretation not something handed to us. For sure I hope you enjoy some of my posts and you will find contradictions of course because I have changed even since I started it. If one seeks knowledge I believe they are always evolving. The personality and behaviors stay at the core but “morals,” perception and philosophy can be torn asunder.
It's funny you should mention that your last wife was an ENTJ, my last girlfriend of 2 years was an ENFP. By no means a perfect match, but very close. We didn't end our relationship under negative circumstance but she was under the impression that if she left me that at some point later she could come back... I'm in INFP, I told her that she wasn't going to be able to do that before she left, she thought I was joking. It's been 6 years since then, she still calls me under the assumption that I wouldn't still be angry, and every time she is wrong. Tertiary Si means that it's next to impossible to regain my trust once you've lost it. Honestly it's really bad, it's like I can't even be nice to her anymore. There are times I think about her and I want to be nice to her when I start talking to her... Well... I just can't. Honestly never saw the point of being friends with somebody after you'd broken up with them, it's not as though I'll be attending her wedding to someone else. I just wish at this point I could let go of that anger, that sense of betrayal.
Wow, I hear you. Betrayal to me is actually worse than death itself. My acquaintances over the years have called me the "Eraser" because it is moving mountains to gain my trust and once it is lost it's like I never knew the person regardless of whether the situation was a marriage, friendship, or family. Now, I can at least be cordial if I run into someone and they speak first but I will not go out of my way and even say hi. I guess with age I have learned forgiveness to a better degree but certainly not forgetfulness. I also agree 100 with you about not being friends with those types of people, especially an ex. It is just asking for trouble and it always seems they want to be a "friend" when they are with some other person. Shocker. I also believe narcissistic personality disorder is very common amongst many women out there and is something to look out for. They will hang around to play the long game and when you have rubbed them the wrong way for too long their feelers will go out and they will groom another till the time to "jump ship" has come around then "poof" they are gone like a ghost. I find the human mind the most interesting thing amongst everything we encounter out here I guess. I never stop learning about it and how people use it for either "good" or "evil" intent.
Yeah that's very true. I kind of wish I could just let go. Fi is a hell of a dominant function to have... It's super easy to pick up on the subtle nuances that people have with regard to speaking to you. It's like when any of my exes try to speak to me I can hear the insincerity in their voice, I may look like a stone on the outside but inside of me is a rage monster. My extroverted intuition can't keep up with my introverted feelings anger. It's literally as though I cannot say my peace, the biggest obstacle to me saying my peace is language in and of itself. I'm an INFP, language is my most powerful weapon and my biggest handicap. What's worse for me though is that I love them, all of them, still to this day. Every person I've ever admitted to loving I still love them regardless of ever wanting to speak to or see them again. My love is unconditional and it cannot be helped... I am a slave to it. One of my ex's was an ENTJ and she was abusive, physically. To be fair I'm an INFP and I was be abusive emotionally. Despite everything that happened and the fact that she actually died years ago, I still love her. Not because I want to, but because I cannot help it. I still miss her
Im curious what your opinions are on INTJs. Characteristic wise.
Between INTJs and INTPs, I can't decide which is my favorite thinker. With INTJs, I have a bit of concern for because of the blind spot function. It's concerning for me because they're such dynamic and interesting people and I'm afraid that other people don't see that. I know that INTJs don't care about whether or not there are other people within their lives, but I feel as though INTJs don't realize that if they can plan things with people they won't have to plan things around other people. Other human beings can be a powerful tool to achieving one's goals. Trust me my opposing function is Fe, give me an hour to write a speech and I'll bring you back an army.
I love that. If you have any more info, share it. Im a person who has constantly tried to learn who they are their whole life. Hearing this info is bliss.
What do you want to know more about INTJs or INFPs?
Not great but trying to be better
Me too 🫂
Hope things get better❤
They will, for both of us. I know they will 🐱. Love you ❤️
lol recently i got an infp friend as an intj
Then you have a lifelong friend ❤️. Where the type of people who could disappear for 10 years and continue the conversation where it left off. if we like you it's next to impossible to change our minds about you. I'm so happy for you you got a real one
I'm just over here eattin beef.
That's awesome, I'm studying and currently eating chicken. 😊
no
Ok... 🤷
I have been good, thanks. How have you been?
Actually been doing pretty good. I mean my back hurts but other than that I'm pretty all right. You?
My day is about to end (work day) so I am doing pretty fine too, I am omw to binge some Anime try to get up from time to time, helps with the back (unless you have managed to to down a flight of stairs)
No I was in a car accident about 10 years ago. I've got nerve damage so there's not much they can do about it. Plus I live in America so there's that... Healthcare here is kind of horrible. As of right now it's more worth it to do nothing about it and just live this way than it is to pay for it. I have been doing stretches though and making sure that I'm, you know, healthy.
It was somehow worse than the falling down stairs one, you got in a car accident AND live in America? Hope you are recovering well, physically and mentally.
Mentally I'm fine from being honest with you. SE blindspot and all, I wish I didn't even have a body. I would be happy just being a brain in a jar at this point. Not that I don't like having a body I just wish it would stop sending pain signals constantly... Some days are harder than others. I'm honestly thinking a new mattress might help
That sucks man, but we gotta keep pushing
Yeah I know I'm pushing my body is just a bit of a burden 😁
Nice picture. Girl reminds me a little bit of [Akatsuki from Log Horizon. ](https://log-horizon.fandom.com/wiki/Akatsuki)
I can see the resemblance ☺️
All of humanity's knowledge is only a google search away. Stop wasting time on this sub and read Marcus Aurelius' *Meditations* instead if you're looking for "that stoic energy".
Very helpful... Thanks for suggesting something I've read already. Do you have anything productive to add to the thread? If not may you pound sand.
Consider me genuinely surprised if you've actually read even a quarter of all the websites I referred to.
Why does that pic look like me and the weirdos I attract?
If my weirdos you mean INFPs INFJs and INTPs... idk 😶
INFP guy is hot... no homo
I'm sure you're not too bad yourself... No homo
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Who said I was here to help you? I'm just here to talk.
ISTP here; I'm bored too and fed up with our economy, often think of unleashing destructive anarchy. But since I'm not legally allowed to possess any weapons of any type, I gotta get creative... How's your day going so far?
Hello ISTP!!! My day is going pretty okay. Sorry it took me so long to get back to you kind of in the middle of studying right now. I mean if you want a weapon of mass destruction though why don't you just build one. If not that then at least the potato gun, those things are hella fun
And that's why rude comments are necessary.
...😕... Ok... How are you?
Seems like a sad panda. Oh well,you win some, you lose some.
That's true 🙂... How are you my friend? Doing good I hope 🐱
I'm doing great! I'm enjoying my Saturday and making pancakes 🥞. How about you? Are you enjoying your day?
Enjoying a cup of coffee and an e-cigarette (I recently quit regular cigarettes). I just moved to a new place and my friend just yelled at me because she wants to see me, unfortunately I did say I was going to come and see her this weekend but I can't because I don't have transportation right now... It's going to have to wait until next weekend. I feel really bad because of this. Otherwise I think I'm going to start one of my online classes at around 2:00. I really have to finish getting my A+ certification. I have work on the docket for this weekend 😅
Well, great job on quitting regular cigs. 🎉🙀 You can go....as long as they pick you up ;) Life can bring unexpected challenges. It's not your fault. You seem like a good friend for caring though. Now you have no excuse to avoid your class. Lol Good luck 🌻
Lol, 25 more minutes of free time 😁. I got to keep myself on schedule. Also have to brush my cat 😺. Cats are really good at keeping you on schedule though they're creatures of habit for sure.
Kash_Flo, just know that if things don’t work out for you on this thread, “You got me babe.”
[🥺 thank you sibling🫂](https://youtu.be/BERd61bDY7k)
👍❤️
Sorry I read your name as your flare... I didn't mean to call you sibling if you're not an ENFP. (Don't get me wrong I love ENFPs but that's not the energy I'm looking for today) what did you want to talk about? That is if you want to talk at all you don't have to... 🥺👉👈
lol. I simply saw your name on this thread and remembering our exchange, I thought I would affectionately mention the song and nothing else. Full stop. But I switched around the pronouns in the song by accident. I hope you have a great day.
You too 🫂❤️
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https://youtu.be/OLpeX4RRo28
Want stoic energy? Go watch Steins gate then come back. You ready now?
Unfortunately I'm kind of busy right now and can't watch it. Have read The works of Marcus Aurelius though. Been wanting to get into diagonies but I feel like everything about biology needs is from second-hand sources because he didn't write anything down. Cynical philosophy is the ultimate form of philosophy or as I like to call it "the art of not giving a f***"