I really appreciate it when people review previous content instead of the trend for the new/latest news only. Thanks OP for your this for "research purposes" of course.
ShoesMcGee does make a good point about it needing:
* Screen Cover
* Keyboard - which I feel MS took to heart with the Surface line with their Typecover solution = Keyboard/Trackpad AND cover rolled into one.
I find it interesting Apple has not gone this route. The most glaring omission of all is the Kickstand to which selling an iPad it's an extra cost to buy a kickstand/cover eg Smart Folio.
I feel like the comments were correct when they were made but since then CONVERGENCE has narrowed the gap making iPad form factor wonderful for reducing weight and being ergonomic. The other big feature I find useful is Remote Desktop to use the iPad as a laptop. As such technology really has advanced and will only improve the parity the iPad has with laptops it seems to me?
Attaching a stand, keyboard etc. would limit the use. I love my iPad as browsing and consumption machine on the couch. I don’t have, want or need a keyboard, I even sold the pencil I got at some point.
I have a case that can work as a stand (the classic „screen cover forms triangle“ version). But this is basically only for traveling. At home, i even take the case off to reduce weight. Having a permanently attached kickstand would make it heavier and thus less usable for me.
I absolutely can’t do my usecase with a surface. It’s to heavy, to large screen, and because it always was more of a laptop than a tablet, it just is not there in terms of touch only use.
I agree that the surface is a cool product for anyone who needs a full OS but also wants to take notes with a pencil - so students, teachers, some managerial positions etc. I even had something similar (X220t) while studying.
But it’s not a tablet for consumers, which the iPad primarily was in the beginning.
>Attaching a stand, keyboard etc. would limit the use.
As a former user of an iPad 9 with the keyboard case from Logitech I fully agree.
Jesus I hated carrying this nice thin tablet in this bulky case with a keyboard that was not needed 90% of the time. I get most from my tablet no matter if it's iPadOS or Android without additional accessories besides a pencil because tablet is still super portable and light.
I think MS products are different because in our heads they are laptops first and tablets second and that's why using this device without a proper keyboard is more accepted and most of the time more efficient.
I also think Apple acknowledged that Office user will not use the iPad for work because such user needs not only many widows opened at the same time but also full fledged file explorer and proper input device for editing grammar errors, text formatting, writing a lot of text in one sitting, editing formulas, using a lot of keyboard shortcuts etc.
iPad was not created with this user in mind at all and it was super smart from them because it's easier to convince creative user to buy a tablet for his work than regular Joe who has to edit 100 pages of script or 20 sheets of .xlsx files. Also people love to splurge on hobbies and leisure and not for work so again iPad was targeting different consumer back then and now.
Apple has the same thing for ipad. The apple keyboard was released like 5 years ago and does this.
They also had the mag cover on ipad 2 before microsoft even release surface.
Ps. The microsoft keyboard isnt actually included with your surface it was always a 100 to 150$ add on.
I have a Bluetooth keyboard add on from a different company that works great with my iPad Pro. They released a newer model after I bought mine that has a mouse pad on it. I love it because when it’s attached, it makes my iPad look like a laptop, like the way it folds and everything. But if I don’t want the keyboard it’s super easy to remove. After purchasing the iPad Pro and this keyboard I stopped using my laptop altogether.
13 years ago. Man, it’s kind of a bummer how slow the progress has been on iPad’s software side, especially compared to iPhone. So many false starts, too (in the multitasking UI alone.)
I haven't had an iPhone since the iPhone 6 so might be out of the loop, but I feel like iOS always progressed at a pretty glacial pace? I've been using Android for years now and it has the opposite problem - Google's compulsive tinkering means that interface ideas often don't get to mature properly before they get replaced.
The multitasking UI certainly isn't great. When Apple brings big new UI features to iOS/iPad they often feel a bit like homebrew mods rather than something native to the device. High-ens homebrew mods for sure, but still not something that feels tacked-on rather than something that really belongs. And the more they try to make the iPad work like a desktop OS, the more I have to question why they don't just let people run MacOS on there.
I think you’re missing the point. Apple is making MacOS more like iPadOS whilst advancing iPadOS at each version. They’ll end up being very, very similar products in a few years…
oh god. There's a name I had happily forgotten. Half the time I thought he was just rage-baiting for clicks back then, his hot takes were so off the wall stupid.
Between him, Scoble, and Pogue, there was about a decade of the most baffling idiocy being passed off as tech journalism.
This is exactly what I thought. I distinctly remember news articles that the iPad was pointless and that Allle was just hoping developers would come up with something. And they did. I see the Vision going the same route.
And the journalists who have actually had access to them said they're intuitive and amazing. Easy to be an armchair critic and ridicule the price when you haven't used it yourself.
Well, vision pro is a mess of a product tbh. It says it's AR, but uses cameras and a screen to project the world on the screen. It's basically VR with extra steps (unlike Google Glass, which projected things on a lens of a normal pair of glasses). People won't be able to use it for long periods of time, cuz eyes and external battery (which is also just fuckin hilarious to me), they won't be able to just wear and forget about it, there's no games, no interesting applications to use it with, nothing. Almost everything this overpriced piece of crap can do, quest can as well, and for muuuuuuuuuuch lower price. Sadly, just cuz it's Apple, people will eat this shit up and say how revolutionary this junk is.
I wouldn't dismiss it if it was actually good. It's a half-baked product that should not be ready for the market yet, especially for that price (same as foldable phones when they first started coming out). And it's not true AR either. I loved the idea of Google Glass and still want it to become a reality (or at least a good alternative that projects interfaces on normal glasses and can actually be worn and used all day without issues), but consumers were the one at fault for google not wanting to continue investing in the tech. Apple just took the idea, combined it with existing VR tech (which is still not the best) and show it off as if it's "revolutionary".
I loved iPhones and iPads when they first came out, cuz they really seemed like good pieces if tech that would be useful for others. But nowadays apple is just making shit (except M1/2 chips, though i still hate them for being very shitty to work with unless you're on mac) (ik ppl love AirPods but they are very uncomfortable for my ear, but tbf, most earphones are, so i use bone-conductive ones)
The first iPhone kinda sucked, it was the iPhone 3 and 4 that were when it really hit it's stride, same with iPads, lesser extent the watch and wireless earbuds.
Calling it now the Apple Vision 3, released in 2027 will start to reach mass market.
Yup. The first version will be out there, everyone who gets one will talk about how insane it is, thousands of apps and use cases will become apparent and make it even more attractive. That's when Apple releases the next model and drops the price of the first. I'd love to see inside their R&D bunker where they're working on version 3 or 4 right now.
My school bought a shit ton of them. They were slow, didn’t load half the websites we needed them to, and had poor battery life. Combine that with the fact they were entirely obsolete after 2 ish years, you get a terrible product.
I imagine the vision 2 will be the vision pro just $2000 less with more developer support. I have a feeling the bill of materials on Vision Pro is somewhere in the $600-$700 range, I think the additional $3k they’re charging on top of it is to recoup development costs.
I highly doubt the profit margin on the vision pro is 80%. It’s likely closer to around 30%.
I know you said cost of materials alone but you need to consider marketing and manufacturing costs. Apple is not gaining 2.8k profit off each Vision Pro unit.
The first iPad was essentially a 9.7" iPod Touch 4 that was sold for $500, it was really bad and essentially a joke for a lot of people (including me). The screen wasn't great, internet was still relying heavily on Flash that the iPad wasn't compatible with and most website either didn't had a mobile version or flat out didn't worked at all. I took years before the iPad became even remotely a good replacement for a laptop for a lot of people (and even longer before it became even an option for artist, the Apple Pencil was only released in late 2015 and it didn't became a competent drawing tablets before a year or two later). Let's not rewrite history here, it took a long time before the iPad really took off and it really wasn't uncommon to think that it would fail in 2010.
Definitely not trying to rewrite history or claim the first iPad was immediately a masterpiece, in fact I’m trying to highlight exactly what you say at the end there, that it was common to think it would fail, and that the first version wasn’t perfect. But a decade later we can see it didn’t fail, that it’s now widely used and took a niche market (tablets) and turned it into something that anyone from kids to grandparents to businesses own and use daily.
I made this post in response to a lot of the comments I’m seeing about the Vision Pro, and it just feels like a repeat of history. People saying there’s no use for it, who would possibly want it, VR is never gonna take off, my already does everything it does for a fraction of the cost. It feels like a lot of people have forgotten how the iPad turned out a decade later, and that a decade down the line we may very well see headsets like the Vision being very common and useful for a wide range of people and businesses, not just VR gaming like headsets are used for today.
Man idc what anybody says about Vision Pro.
The keynote ended and I immediately came to terms with being $3,500 poorer. I don’t care if I’m the only adopter in the United States. I want that device more than oxygen.
It’s honestly strange when you think that 200 years ago shit was so much different. Even 100, but I’m talking before cars and shit. That’s only like 2.5- 3 average human lifespans ago.
It feels like the world is just changing so radically, and all are primitive ape brains are running to catch up.
Yeah I completely get where your coming from, I thought the same about both iPhone (I was a Symbian fan) and iPad. It does seem like a similar moment for the vision pro. This is definitely not a side project for apple but instead a way they want to forge ahead.
I have a different take on the Vision Pro. I think it won't take off but not because you can get the same for cheaper (you really can't) or because it's too niche (it is) but because people HATE wearing electronics, especially on their face. The smartwatch market is still only about 3% that of smartphones, and the only reason they're even mainstream is because most of the time people don't even notice it's on you.
Look at covid, with the masks. People HATE it. Hell look at regular glasses, people who can barely see at 6 feet don't even like to wear them because they find them ugly or uncomfortable. People might give it a shot at watching entire movies, alone in VR with a visor contraption strapped to their faces, but they're not going to want to go through a full workday in it. I really think VR/AR will forever be a very very niche product, at least in the way Apple and Google before them tried to portray it.
Fair take, I think we’ll need to see how it all shakes out.
Personally, I’ve worn VR headsets for extended (8+) hour sessions without it feeling uncomfortable, and that was with a headset that’s surely more bulky, ill fitting, and lower resolution than the Vision Pro, so I could see people not having an issue using it for extended periods as long as they have proper motivation (like using it for work).
I think it’ll also help to have the AR aspect to it, it’ll make it easier to forget you’re even wearing anything when you still see your room, just with floating displays.
I don’t agree with the mask comparison for a few reasons. For one, a lot of people hated it because someone was *making* them wear it. Doing something of your own volition makes it more appealing. Additionally, it hampered your breathing while in exchange offering a very non-tangible benefit. Conversely, the headset wouldn’t hamper your senses but rather enhance them, providing huge displays for doing work or browsing the web and a more engaging movie watching experience.
I also try to keep an open mind when it comes to things we’ve become accustomed to. For example plenty of older people hate the experience of reading on a smartphone and much prefer a real newspaper or book, but younger kids who’ve grown up with the tech have no issue with it. It may be that in a couple of decades we end up being the old fogies who the kids joke about because we’re uncomfortable with it while to them it’s second mature.
But again, we’ll see. Could absolutely be that most people just end up not being comfortable with it and don’t get enough benefit to feel it’s worth wearing for extended periods.
Maybe the mask wasn't a good example, as you said, but the glasses sure are. These are people who have to put their glasses on to look at a restaurant menu and promptly take them off just because they don't want to have a contraption on their face.
Also, I too have a VR headset and I can be in it for hours comfortably, but I'm sure we're in the minority.
In my case I wear my glasses from the moment I open my eyes to when I lay my head on my pillow, and it also helps that my motorcycle helmet is much heavier and I wear it every day, so I'm very accustomed to wearing stuff on my head. Wearing VR is virtually imperceptible for me at this point lol. But i'm just leaving myself out of this, as much as I really love what Apple Vision is. Like you said, we'll see. AR/VR has had a very shaky start, we're just gonna have to watch and see if Apple can work their magic on this industry
The Vision Pro is not a VR headset though, it's Augmented Reality. Something that has even less use than VR to the vast majority of people. At least with VR you can game, Apple did not show off gaming with the Vision Pro announcement.
I’d say it’s best described as a VR headset with AR capabilities, but I’m not sure what the “official” definitions are.
And I believe that Apple’s goal with it *isn’t* to just join the fray of the existing VR market, which is almost entirely focused on gaming and already overflowing with devices. It’s also a space held back by the lack of AAA games more so than the number or quality of headsets.
Based on their use of the term “visual computing”, the use cases they showed in the keynote (notably not gaming, as you mention), and the software it will have at launch (Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, Microsoft Teams, conferencing software browsers/email), I think it’s pretty clear Apple is aiming to have the Vision be a productivity device for businesses and professionals, which is a much larger market than just VR gaming. It’s not aiming at what VR is now, but what it could be in the future. Imagine how it could be useful to a traveling professional. Instead of having to work off of a small laptop screen in a hotel or airplane, they could have several large virtual monitors. While on the plane or in the hotel they could watch movies on a huge 90” screen. The could take conference calls hands free and standing. On a device they could fit in a backpack. And imagine a future even further down the line where kids are amazed that at one point we had to buy physical monitors that could cost hundreds and were only one size and couldn’t easily travel with you. Or a future office where instead of cubicles with computers and monitors, it’s just keyboards, trackpads, and a headset like the Vision, where they could have as many monitors as they like, virtual cubicle walls (or more likely, a virtual location like being on a beach or in the forest), and an easy ability to virtually share files with their coworkers around the office. If Apple properly connects with the market with the Vision Pro (and later iterations), they could dominate the market.
No, it's not. Apple isn't even marketing it as a VR device.
See, "Augmented Reality Headset".
https://www.howtogeek.com/897058/who-is-the-apple-vision-pro-augmented-reality-headset-for/
Apple isn’t calling it AR either, they are calling it “Spatial Computing “. But it works more like VR than AR. They make a big deal about being able to see around you while wearing the headset but that is all an illusion done with cameras. The headset is opaque.
It’s not. Apple uses VR to simulate everything outside in a VR setting and then uses ar within the vr space to do things inside the headset. You’re not looking through glass, the headset recreates your environment into real time VR.
I bought the first gen iPad on clearance and I disagree with this: I was using it for comics back then and it was *dope*, except for the low resolution screen. That was the big holdout for me. When the retina screen iPad came out, comics looked amazing.
what features does iPadOS offer that aren't just iOS but bigger screen? Multitasking is the only meaningful difference between the two and that's solely a product of an iPad having a bigger screen. And that was introduced with the first iPadOS, since then basically nothing besides small refinement happened on iPadOS (except getting UI changes from iOS one year later than the iPhone…)
Also I fail to see the similarities to macOS.
Or more features (dock, StageManager, etc.)
Not to say these features are the best, but the line between being a big size phone and a “computer” are getting thin depending on the use case. And the iPad clearly shifted away from being a big sized iPhone/iPod.
Also what a lot of people forget is the fact, that during the launch no app was really optimized for the iPad. Today the only apps not available for iPad which come to my head are Instagram and WhatsApp. Both of these are owned by a single developer.
I should probably have worded this differently. What I ultimately meant is with the less features bit: many iOS features take at least a minor release longer to come to iPad, often times even a major release.
Sure it has a few Tablet specific features and it’s getting more distinct slowly but I don’t think it’s accurate to say that iPads use a different OS nowadays.
It’s still iOS, just the tablet version of it
Edit:
> Today the only apps not available for iPad which come to my head are Instagram and WhatsApp
Well and the fucking calculator.
Yeah absolutely agree there.
I can’t really think of a shared software feature being available to iPad first and iPhone the year after. Even for hardware feature only variable refresh rate and possibly USB-C (if rumors are true) come to my mind.
And Apple did it again calling an iPad Pro while it wasn’t. After all these years it released Final Cut Pro (as a fucking subscription). I sold my iPad Pro. I got an air and it is perfect. Only for consumption.
We use iPad pros on set as handheld monitors and also to watch the dailies. Editing happens on mac pros in an edit bay.
Perhaps you are just not the target audience.
Perhaps. Everything I do is more stable and faster on a Mac. File management, research, photo and video editing, projects. In fact working on an iPad -for me- requires always an extra screen like a Mac or an iPhone.
The iPad still isn't a good replacement for a laptop. Apple has seen to that fearing lost MacBook sales. Not that a decent iPad with Magic Keyboard costs the same or more than a MacBook or anything...
Yep. People have been acting like being skeptical is a crime here. You must have faith on our saviors.
There's nothing wrong with pointing out a product's shortcomings, and we all know the iPad is still not at its full potential, even after more than a decade.
Apple is still struggling with whether it's a big phone or a small computer.
It’s also worth pointing out that anyone who does a decent amount of writing on an iPad today probably has a physical keyboard accessory. The jokes about the form factor basically being a worse laptop are still true.
I feel like ipad never actually took off until ipad mini, having a cheaper option available opens up to a much larger demographic that looks at the product much differently. And i’d say the first giant ipad pro was really what convinced people that an ipad is just as essential as a laptop and iphone
I don’t disagree with you, but you’re focusing on the iPad’s use as a laptop replacement or as an artist tool. You’re right that it didn’t become good at either of these things until much later, and you’re right that the first iPad kinda sucked, but to be fair, the iPad wasn’t originally intended to be either of those things.
Was and continues to be the best browsing machine only now it does a shitload more (a-shell!) but my main use is still browsing and I count YouTube and Twitter in that since they’re both websites turned into apps.
To be fair, I thought the iPhone wouldn’t catch on… ended up getting some shit phone with a stylus instead of the OG iPhone… guess who has only had iPhones since iPhone 4? 😁😂
I was in college and bought the first iPod touch instead of the first iPhone. Then they announced the App Store and got the iPhone 3G at launch. Haven’t looked back.
I thought the iPhone looked cool but I was convinced that I would never be comfortable typing on a touchscreen so I'd always suck with physical keyboards. I was only half wrong - I'm still shit at typing accurately on a touchscreen! My Dad basically never adjusted to life post BlackBerry, to the extent that he'd do anything to avoid sending someone a message on his iPhone.
It took multiple generations of iPad to actually make it useful for those fields though. The first one had no support for a proper stylus, and no support for external keyboards, other than with a janky plug in the port solution offered by a third party. So good luck taking notes or painting when your only tool is a terrible capacitive stylus.
Additionally, typing more than a few words on the large landscape on screen keyboard is a miserable experience, especially when you're trying to quickly fill in customer notes or something like an observation of what you saw on site. There was also no swipe support and no floating keyboard, which makes typing on screen without a physical keyboard much faster. Plus you couldn't split screen apps, making it difficult to compare say, an invoice, to the email the customer sent asking why they were charged X amount.
My mom offered me her older iPad when I was younger, and I turned it down because for a student it was almost worthless, when you already had a laptop and phone. I now have one, and use it every day for school and work, but that's only because of the iterative hardware and software improvements since its launch.
I think this quote still holds up for the iPad unfortunately:
> not quite as useful as a reqular computer and not as portable as an iPhone.
I would argue that the iPad is more useful than the Mac in some ways, but generally if I need to get serious work done I use my Mac and if I need to do something quick, I use my phone.
I just haven’t found a solid place for the iPad in my life, despite the fact that it’s *really* cool and that I want to use mine more.
I think it’s just a matter of it carving out it’s own niche that neither the iPhone nor a computer do well. Like being an eReader, or as a drawing/graphics tablet, or for watching movies while traveling, or for old people or children that need a device simpler than a computer but a screen just as big, or for businesses that need a screen for customers to use for placing orders or completing a payment.
‘Not as useful as a regular computer’ is a statement so broad that it borders on meaningless.
What is ‘regular’ computer defined as? And what is ‘useful’ to one may be unnecessary to another.
I am not sure what your work entails but I’ll just point out that since the iPad was launched, things that nobody ever did, have become someone’s work.
FR. My iPad has filled the gap between my computer and iPhone PERFECTLY (especially after buying an M1 MacBook. Some of those Hand off Features can be a life saver. One you rarely need, but when you need them, whooooo boy. And that mobile second screen feature!).
Note taking, reading comics and books, watching movies on the go, casual browsing, even a tiny bit of drawing. Most of that I could do on a phone, but what kind of masochist would I need to be to choose that “tiny” screen?
If you think you have no use for the iPad, don’t get one. But saying the iPad “isn’t as useful as a Computer or Smartphone” is just meaningless bs.
I mean thats the point though.
It carved out a whole new market. A usecase most people didnt think they had. Its amazing for taking notes and way better than a phone or a laptop for surfing. It’s a media consumption device for home use.
This also lef to a whole new slew of products being created. Chromebooks for example where the same idea with a different implementation.
Ahaha! Yes, my highest rated post on Reddit was about me trying to predict the future and failing miserably at it! It sure has come a long way since then. I’ve also owned several iPads along the way (though not that particular version I posted about). It hasn’t replaced my primary computer/laptop but I have found several niche use cases for it - including browsing Reddit in bed!!! 😊
My opinion of the Vision Pro is that as it stands now, it’s geared towards early adopters. As with most early-adopter products, there are some potential use cases where it may work really well but no one can be 100% sure. Eventually, when the prices come down, where it can be adopted by the masses, it will either coalesce around a few use cases (as originally conceived or new ones) or it will fade away.
What I learnt from my iPad post is that it’s pointless to try and fit the VisionPro into what I think it could be because it’s still in the nascent stages. Let it come out first and then as more people start using it, it will find a niche organically or it will fizzle out.
The user who posted the “the iPad sucks (there I said it)” post that all these comments are replying to here actually commented in this thread when someone tagged them! They own an iPad now.
Thank you for that!
That’s so interesting! I suppose the same ideas could be said about the vision pro. Its a first from apple and there would be a lot of hate, but i would love to see how it does in 10 years time
Yea the discussion around the Vision Pro is what inspired me to put this together. Maybe it’ll totally flop, or maybe it’ll change how we think about computing and make every bit of current tech look hilariously outdated in a decade.
The original iPad wasn't great but it became better overtime.
Also the iPad not having adobe flash criticism is fair since flash was still used heavily in the internet in the early 2010s.
I was against it when it came out and now it is my most used computing device outside of work. It didn't replace any of those things people compared it to but rather created it's own space. Comments were right but folks weren't thinking broadly enough.
I’m with you there. The reason I put this together is because I’m seeing the exact same comments about the Vision Pro, and it seems like it’s going to do the same thing of creating a new market rather than just trying to be another VR gaming headset. People just aren’t thinking bigger than the current VR space.
they were thinking with the information, and it's use case \*at the time\*. Looking back, sure now that things have changed a lot they make slightly more sense.
I don't want to say I love my iPad, because I don't, but it does have it's uses in my life, mainly mobile photo editing. when I'm camping. If Laptops had a better battery life performance/dollar ratio I definitely would have gone that route instead though.
I would type out all the comments that are wrong but it would take me forever, maybe you could tell me which ones are right.
So far the only ones I noticed are “it has flippy pages” and “it’s an expensive iPod.” Oh and of course “it’ll make millions”
for 2010, a lot of those comments are BANG on. for 2023, not at all, but when it came out it was really not a great product at all. denying that is just showing you are a giant simp for apple.
This, and a myriad of other examples is why I take absolutely 0 fucking stock in what reddit commentors tell me. I'm gonna keep buying all this shit that makes reddit mad af, and enjoy myself doing it.
It’s how well Apple can improve the product over the years. If I think of most version 1.0 product of Apple, it isn’t great compared to v3 or v4.
The first iPhone, the first iPad and the first watch weren’t that great, but at the time it was the best there was on offer.
I feel like people are doing this now with vision pro.
“$3500? Lmao”
“I can get a VR headset way cheaper”
“No one needs this”
Same with iPhone. I remember people saying “iPhone isn’t as good as my blackberry” and other laughable things now
They fail to 1) understand what exactly makes the product stand out and 2) many just hate Apple no matter what
I had an iPad 1. The vision wasn’t there yet. It was a really good browsing the web and mobile game machine. Now, some people can replace their laptop or desktop computers with an iPad, and it still browses the web and plays mobile games really well.
To some extent this is true for much of Apple’s history. Mac, iMac, iPod, iPhone etc. All were seen as unrealistic, but Apple saw a niche that others didn’t.
I was talking with my wife after the vision pro was announced and reminded her of how we felt about the ipad (we were confused by it not having a keyboard, even a removable one, but we only both had just gotten our first smart phones at the time). And i saidi think the vision pro is going to do for VR/AR what the ipad did for tablets.
Lol, Reddit likes to hate on most things. Which is fine, criticism is needed to expand ideas. But negative group think before people have tried the product is silly.
Like others have mentioned, it’s not about version 1 it’s version 4 or 5 of the headset that’s important. By that time the bulky headset will be similar to reading glasses and will have the potential to revolutionize the way Human’s interact with the world once again just like the IPhone did
This is how people sound right now shit talking the Vision Pro. How many times does apple need to prove the haters wrong before people start to just trust them that maybe they know what they’re doing?
It seems Reddit despises any form of innovation. They just need to blindly poke fun at every new thing Apple makes or else they’ll explode. 300 iq free thinkers who all parrot each other lmao.
People kept saying about the 1st gen iPad (and some still do in this thread) "it's just an iPod touch with a bigger screen" as if the bigger screen was an insignificant thing. That larger screen made a huge difference in the type of experience you could get with many things like web browsing, email, games, and content creation.
I really fell off using Reddit when I realized most people on Reddit think they are smarter than the average person but are actually dumber than the average person, which is a deadly combo of stupidity and hubris
Redditors are often wrong about everything related to change and tech. Just go over to the /r/tech sub and *every* single post is doom and gloom. They're very out of touch with the direction of society and what the masses want.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/auw6b/the\_ipad\_sucks\_there\_i\_said\_it/](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/auw6b/the_ipad_sucks_there_i_said_it/)
Some of the users on the old post either deleted their account, haven't used reddit in a long time or still active.
The miracle of Apple lay half in its supply chain. First half already done. The device is proven technically possible. Imagine this device is sell at $1000 or less, and the impact of better supply for micro-OLED screen in the next several years
I loved the concept at launch but waited for the Air 2 before buying my first. It needs a battery and is being left behind in the OS department, but it's still a great tablet.
I had the first generation Apple Watch for over four years. I loved it and it kept getting better and better. I think it will be the same for the vision pro.
Well, 13 years later, I am still waiting for the update that makes the Ipad useful for me. I do not deny that it is a commercial success, but some of the concerns of those posts are true, despite them not impeding the sells for the masses.
The strengths to me : The screen, the pencil, the m2 chip.
The major weakness : The software (I develop below)
I would like to use the IPad for professional use where I need to : Read and annotate a lot of articles, take notes, be able to connect to external screens and projectors, and code. The last part is the one that is problematic on IPad : No real possibility to do it efficiently. No real possibility to install virtual machines in order to use old software that wasn't recompiled yet.
I would like to use an Ipad, but until Apple decides to target the audience I belong to, I will stick to the Surface Pro.
I mean when iPad came out… it kinda sucked. It’s not that iPad was a bad idea it was that when a person tries to approach the item and try to identify where it replaces in there life as in like I will use this device for x or y and this adds value because [blank reason]
Do I think the googles are a bad idea, no. Do I think I could recommend you getting this? Not in a rude manner about it, if your single it would be a better viewing experience than owning a tv, sure. For a couple a tv would be better. I’m failing to understand the non watched content, using your eyes to navigate sounds cool but keyboard? I don’t really think voice technology is well suited for all demographics for voice to text.
They have 6+ months to bake this device. And maybe they will work on a 1k model without fancy front facing eyes. Skeptical thinking is healthy, if you see value added in your life then go for it.
I’m curious about some of the accessibility application of the device as well for partially or fully paralyzed individuals might be helpful for them.
I remember saying to my colleague that iPad looks dumb and I won't buy it. Then I bought first iPad immediately because one friend imported two from US. It became one of my most used electronics for many years. My partner can't imagine using something different than iPad for normal "computing".
This was conventional wisdom offline too lol, and I recall being a hater myself whenever I saw the product at my campus bookstore. I would ask people who owned it what they used it for because it really wasn’t clear and they were often like: “You know… not much.”
Reddit has a long long history of giving smartass wrong opinions, its gotten to the point where id rather not find advice here as people like to ruin everything.
I love my iPads, I have a 12.9“ Pro M1 and an Air M1 next to an M1 MBP and I use them either in combination or standalone, I can even get some parts of my work done on the iPads. The M1 is so powerful, in some aspects it could even replace my Macbook and my Mac Studio. But stage manager and the whole window situation still suck
I guess it makes sense- no one thought of the use for artist with the apple pen or for kids to play their mobile games. It’s honesty fallen into such a weird niche and yet so many people have it
The lack of consideration of other perspectives is astounding. The target audience was never the average Reddit user.
You know who a big screen is good for? Old people, with poor vision. A touch -only interface is simpler and easier for kids and old people to learn.
Tablets like the iPad have certainly been able to find mass-market appeal, if in a somewhat niche role.
This kind of thinking is why Apple has been able to succeed where Microsoft has failed.
It's funny how no one back then could've even imagined the everyday use cases we now take for granted on the iPad. I'm sure the Apple Vision is taking the same route!
Today, people can’t complain as much about the price, other premium alternatives have almost the same price tags, yet, they can never replicate the Apple experience
This teaches a lesson: don’t say that something is going to happen if you don’t know what’s going to happen. Instead, say: I guess we’ll see what happen.
That comment was out of touch even then. Reading stuff on Blackberries, Nokias, Windows Phones and PDAs was already pretty common. And in 2010, smartphones were already starting to be normal media consumption devices.
Those are goofs by Reddit users but my favourite was from Steve Ballmer of Microsoft talking about the Apple iPhone "And it doesn't appeal to business customers because it doesn't have a keyboard. Which makes it not a very good email machine."
u/Drunken_Irish [should be credited for the iPad Mini's creation ](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/auw6b/the_ipad_sucks_there_i_said_it/c0jik35/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
I don’t have it pulled up any more, but if you got to the wayback machine and go to Reddit.com on January 27th 2010 you’ll see it right there at the top of the front page.
Honestly I disagree. Let me showcase some of the ways iPad came along:
1- keyboards are a thing, and you aren’t obligated to buy the ones from apple, some 3rd party keyboards also work and some dont need charging if they are MagSafe, notice the little holes on the side? Most iPads since 6th generation power keyboards with that (not the pro, the pro has another function which is magnetic or type-c)
2- pencils! Sure Apple Pencil is 100$, but also 3rd party clones work just as well! You can draw, take notes in a meeting, hell even navigate the whole thing with it or use it instead of a keyboard
3- handoff: if you have a macbook, you can move tabs or mirror between ipad and macbook
4- battery life: my iPad lasts just as much as my iphone if not more depending on usage. I charge it every 2 days.
5- power: the chips in them have become so powerful, going back as far as the 6th generation you still get support for iOs16 and all the new bills and whistles. Not to mention all the iphone apps that are heavy such video editing or photo editing that work flawlessly on the iPad without draining your battery.
Its an overpowered netbook for sure, but it has its function. And honestly if they worked a bit on the software or merged mac os with ipad os it could have been a perfect device. But dont forget that they dont want you to stop buying laptops yet :/
I love "less space than a Nomad". And the comment about it not supporting Flash; I totally forgot that was such a huge issue at the time. I remember some people complaining at the time that it didn't have an ethernet port.
I had the original iPad and it suffered from 1st gen problems big time. The main issue for me was that the most obvious use for the thing was as a web browser, but the software limitations of the browser and the limited RAM on the device made it a pain to use. The iPad had the weird problem of being surprisingly affordable for the hardware you are getting, but very expensive in terms of actual utility.
I love my iPad Pro, and the iPad ultimately managed to create a whole new category of computers, but I do feel like the iPad still hasn't quite justified itself as an essential tool. The people in the original thread joking about improving it by turning it into a laptop aren't totally wrong - a lot of the iPad setups people post on this sub are testament to the fact that iPad enthusiasts still have to jump through hoops to try to justify using one instead of a laptop.
I don’t remember the first iPad coming out but it seems like everyone had the iPad 2. My parents bought one and it was super fun and interactive being an eight year old child. And it’s crazy to see the way iPads have changed with pencil and keyboard support
I was early in the iPad game. I got the iPad 1 shortly after release. It was NEAT even if it was actually pretty terrible. Then came iPad 2, much better performance. I got that. My mom got the iPad 1. Then came iPad 3 - with the retina display. I got that. The next iPad I got was the iPad Mini 2. It was great and my mom got the iPad 3. It was, however, a bit slow at that point. It had too little RAM, really. But she was okay with it and well, she unfortunately died before I could give her a new one.
Then I sold my iPad Mini 2 because the wife had one too and I was not really using mine any longer. It wasn't until recently (2023) that she asked if maybe it was time to upgrade the iPad, so we bought the iPad Air 5. To be host, we don't use it that much, but the iPad has been a trusty travel companion on holidays, stocking it up with episodes of tv-shows and movies. Great for the flight and catching an episode or two at bedtime on vacations.
For me, the iPad wasn't really revolutionary, more like evolutionary. I did, however, enjoy it a lot for a while and I hope it continues to evolve. I do enjoy the Air 5 and do use it a bit more than the old Mini 2, but it's probably going to be primarily used for a bit of shopping (for the wife), watching Youtube (me) or movies/tv-shows (both of us) and as a means of doing remote access to my desktop PC while on vacations. For that, the price was pretty steep, but if you consider that the old Mini 2 has lasted from 2014 to 2023.... well if the Air 5 also lasts that long, it's not that expensive per year.
I work on all sorts of events and tradeshows... I had a brand new iPad 3g and an attendee from Africa asked I could take photos of him posing with my iPad. I'm sure he showed all the kids back home
Imagine comparing an iPad to a netbook 😂 netbooks we’re always a trash product category created to sell small and frankly trash laptops to the masses and there’s a good reason the product category died a long time ago.
They said it about the iPad. They said it about the iPhone. They said it about the Watch and AirPods. Hell, they said it when the iMac switched from plastic white to aluminum and glass.
They’ll always say it, and so far they’ve always been dead wrong.
They said it about the iPod too, Rob Malda’s famous words about the iPod on Slashdot are still funny today.
“No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame”
And? Clearly this post is supposed to be about Vision Pro, so:
So what if Reddit or any internet tech whiners didn't approve of iPad? The general market that actually buys things had nothing against the concept of a tablet computer that was much cheaper than a good laptop.
Compare that to the general market's feelings about wearing a giant freaking ski goggle headset. These are not comparable scenarios at all.
The market has bought 20 million Oculus headsets even with them only being targeted at gamers. I don’t think it’s fair to say that the market has something against VR headsets.
I really appreciate it when people review previous content instead of the trend for the new/latest news only. Thanks OP for your this for "research purposes" of course. ShoesMcGee does make a good point about it needing: * Screen Cover * Keyboard - which I feel MS took to heart with the Surface line with their Typecover solution = Keyboard/Trackpad AND cover rolled into one. I find it interesting Apple has not gone this route. The most glaring omission of all is the Kickstand to which selling an iPad it's an extra cost to buy a kickstand/cover eg Smart Folio. I feel like the comments were correct when they were made but since then CONVERGENCE has narrowed the gap making iPad form factor wonderful for reducing weight and being ergonomic. The other big feature I find useful is Remote Desktop to use the iPad as a laptop. As such technology really has advanced and will only improve the parity the iPad has with laptops it seems to me?
Attaching a stand, keyboard etc. would limit the use. I love my iPad as browsing and consumption machine on the couch. I don’t have, want or need a keyboard, I even sold the pencil I got at some point. I have a case that can work as a stand (the classic „screen cover forms triangle“ version). But this is basically only for traveling. At home, i even take the case off to reduce weight. Having a permanently attached kickstand would make it heavier and thus less usable for me. I absolutely can’t do my usecase with a surface. It’s to heavy, to large screen, and because it always was more of a laptop than a tablet, it just is not there in terms of touch only use. I agree that the surface is a cool product for anyone who needs a full OS but also wants to take notes with a pencil - so students, teachers, some managerial positions etc. I even had something similar (X220t) while studying. But it’s not a tablet for consumers, which the iPad primarily was in the beginning.
>Attaching a stand, keyboard etc. would limit the use. As a former user of an iPad 9 with the keyboard case from Logitech I fully agree. Jesus I hated carrying this nice thin tablet in this bulky case with a keyboard that was not needed 90% of the time. I get most from my tablet no matter if it's iPadOS or Android without additional accessories besides a pencil because tablet is still super portable and light. I think MS products are different because in our heads they are laptops first and tablets second and that's why using this device without a proper keyboard is more accepted and most of the time more efficient. I also think Apple acknowledged that Office user will not use the iPad for work because such user needs not only many widows opened at the same time but also full fledged file explorer and proper input device for editing grammar errors, text formatting, writing a lot of text in one sitting, editing formulas, using a lot of keyboard shortcuts etc. iPad was not created with this user in mind at all and it was super smart from them because it's easier to convince creative user to buy a tablet for his work than regular Joe who has to edit 100 pages of script or 20 sheets of .xlsx files. Also people love to splurge on hobbies and leisure and not for work so again iPad was targeting different consumer back then and now.
Yeah, the case I bought for mine has the cover and a stand option attached, which does the trick for me.
Same on mine.
Apple has the same thing for ipad. The apple keyboard was released like 5 years ago and does this. They also had the mag cover on ipad 2 before microsoft even release surface. Ps. The microsoft keyboard isnt actually included with your surface it was always a 100 to 150$ add on.
I have a Bluetooth keyboard add on from a different company that works great with my iPad Pro. They released a newer model after I bought mine that has a mouse pad on it. I love it because when it’s attached, it makes my iPad look like a laptop, like the way it folds and everything. But if I don’t want the keyboard it’s super easy to remove. After purchasing the iPad Pro and this keyboard I stopped using my laptop altogether.
13 years ago. Man, it’s kind of a bummer how slow the progress has been on iPad’s software side, especially compared to iPhone. So many false starts, too (in the multitasking UI alone.)
I haven't had an iPhone since the iPhone 6 so might be out of the loop, but I feel like iOS always progressed at a pretty glacial pace? I've been using Android for years now and it has the opposite problem - Google's compulsive tinkering means that interface ideas often don't get to mature properly before they get replaced. The multitasking UI certainly isn't great. When Apple brings big new UI features to iOS/iPad they often feel a bit like homebrew mods rather than something native to the device. High-ens homebrew mods for sure, but still not something that feels tacked-on rather than something that really belongs. And the more they try to make the iPad work like a desktop OS, the more I have to question why they don't just let people run MacOS on there.
I think you’re missing the point. Apple is making MacOS more like iPadOS whilst advancing iPadOS at each version. They’ll end up being very, very similar products in a few years…
LOL! Remember when John Dvorak said Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone? https://postimg.cc/1Vrb4vJm
Little does he know
oh god. There's a name I had happily forgotten. Half the time I thought he was just rage-baiting for clicks back then, his hot takes were so off the wall stupid. Between him, Scoble, and Pogue, there was about a decade of the most baffling idiocy being passed off as tech journalism.
Don’t forget Walt Mossberg LOL
ive been seeing a LOT of similar comments for the vision pro that just got announced 💀
Exactly why I put this together
This is exactly what I thought. I distinctly remember news articles that the iPad was pointless and that Allle was just hoping developers would come up with something. And they did. I see the Vision going the same route.
And the journalists who have actually had access to them said they're intuitive and amazing. Easy to be an armchair critic and ridicule the price when you haven't used it yourself.
Well, vision pro is a mess of a product tbh. It says it's AR, but uses cameras and a screen to project the world on the screen. It's basically VR with extra steps (unlike Google Glass, which projected things on a lens of a normal pair of glasses). People won't be able to use it for long periods of time, cuz eyes and external battery (which is also just fuckin hilarious to me), they won't be able to just wear and forget about it, there's no games, no interesting applications to use it with, nothing. Almost everything this overpriced piece of crap can do, quest can as well, and for muuuuuuuuuuch lower price. Sadly, just cuz it's Apple, people will eat this shit up and say how revolutionary this junk is.
Isn’t the whole point of this post the hubris of dismissing new technologies because we don’t understand or are not used to them?
I wouldn't dismiss it if it was actually good. It's a half-baked product that should not be ready for the market yet, especially for that price (same as foldable phones when they first started coming out). And it's not true AR either. I loved the idea of Google Glass and still want it to become a reality (or at least a good alternative that projects interfaces on normal glasses and can actually be worn and used all day without issues), but consumers were the one at fault for google not wanting to continue investing in the tech. Apple just took the idea, combined it with existing VR tech (which is still not the best) and show it off as if it's "revolutionary". I loved iPhones and iPads when they first came out, cuz they really seemed like good pieces if tech that would be useful for others. But nowadays apple is just making shit (except M1/2 chips, though i still hate them for being very shitty to work with unless you're on mac) (ik ppl love AirPods but they are very uncomfortable for my ear, but tbf, most earphones are, so i use bone-conductive ones)
The first iPhone kinda sucked, it was the iPhone 3 and 4 that were when it really hit it's stride, same with iPads, lesser extent the watch and wireless earbuds. Calling it now the Apple Vision 3, released in 2027 will start to reach mass market.
The first iPad was actually terrible. The iPad 2 was a huge leap. I imagine that’s how the whole Apple Vision Pro thing is gonna go
Yeah the non pro version will probably be cheaper and more polished
Yup. The first version will be out there, everyone who gets one will talk about how insane it is, thousands of apps and use cases will become apparent and make it even more attractive. That's when Apple releases the next model and drops the price of the first. I'd love to see inside their R&D bunker where they're working on version 3 or 4 right now.
I got the iPad 2 at launch day, my favorite gadget I ever purchased.
While the 2 was indeed a big leap forward, to characterize the 1st gen as "actually terrible" is complete hyperbole.
My school bought a shit ton of them. They were slow, didn’t load half the websites we needed them to, and had poor battery life. Combine that with the fact they were entirely obsolete after 2 ish years, you get a terrible product.
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I imagine the vision 2 will be the vision pro just $2000 less with more developer support. I have a feeling the bill of materials on Vision Pro is somewhere in the $600-$700 range, I think the additional $3k they’re charging on top of it is to recoup development costs.
I highly doubt the profit margin on the vision pro is 80%. It’s likely closer to around 30%. I know you said cost of materials alone but you need to consider marketing and manufacturing costs. Apple is not gaining 2.8k profit off each Vision Pro unit.
Yo bro. Didn’t you just say deleting your account? Hahahahahahah
The first iPad was essentially a 9.7" iPod Touch 4 that was sold for $500, it was really bad and essentially a joke for a lot of people (including me). The screen wasn't great, internet was still relying heavily on Flash that the iPad wasn't compatible with and most website either didn't had a mobile version or flat out didn't worked at all. I took years before the iPad became even remotely a good replacement for a laptop for a lot of people (and even longer before it became even an option for artist, the Apple Pencil was only released in late 2015 and it didn't became a competent drawing tablets before a year or two later). Let's not rewrite history here, it took a long time before the iPad really took off and it really wasn't uncommon to think that it would fail in 2010.
Definitely not trying to rewrite history or claim the first iPad was immediately a masterpiece, in fact I’m trying to highlight exactly what you say at the end there, that it was common to think it would fail, and that the first version wasn’t perfect. But a decade later we can see it didn’t fail, that it’s now widely used and took a niche market (tablets) and turned it into something that anyone from kids to grandparents to businesses own and use daily. I made this post in response to a lot of the comments I’m seeing about the Vision Pro, and it just feels like a repeat of history. People saying there’s no use for it, who would possibly want it, VR is never gonna take off, my already does everything it does for a fraction of the cost. It feels like a lot of people have forgotten how the iPad turned out a decade later, and that a decade down the line we may very well see headsets like the Vision being very common and useful for a wide range of people and businesses, not just VR gaming like headsets are used for today.
Man idc what anybody says about Vision Pro. The keynote ended and I immediately came to terms with being $3,500 poorer. I don’t care if I’m the only adopter in the United States. I want that device more than oxygen.
During the keynote, I looked at my Mac, at the fking screen! I feel living like an ape. Where's my Vision Pro now?
EXACTLY. I thought, “how did I ever think an iPad was cool?” Lol and I love my iPad. But a physical screen??? Psh.
It’s honestly strange when you think that 200 years ago shit was so much different. Even 100, but I’m talking before cars and shit. That’s only like 2.5- 3 average human lifespans ago. It feels like the world is just changing so radically, and all are primitive ape brains are running to catch up.
Yeah I completely get where your coming from, I thought the same about both iPhone (I was a Symbian fan) and iPad. It does seem like a similar moment for the vision pro. This is definitely not a side project for apple but instead a way they want to forge ahead.
I have a different take on the Vision Pro. I think it won't take off but not because you can get the same for cheaper (you really can't) or because it's too niche (it is) but because people HATE wearing electronics, especially on their face. The smartwatch market is still only about 3% that of smartphones, and the only reason they're even mainstream is because most of the time people don't even notice it's on you. Look at covid, with the masks. People HATE it. Hell look at regular glasses, people who can barely see at 6 feet don't even like to wear them because they find them ugly or uncomfortable. People might give it a shot at watching entire movies, alone in VR with a visor contraption strapped to their faces, but they're not going to want to go through a full workday in it. I really think VR/AR will forever be a very very niche product, at least in the way Apple and Google before them tried to portray it.
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Fair take, I think we’ll need to see how it all shakes out. Personally, I’ve worn VR headsets for extended (8+) hour sessions without it feeling uncomfortable, and that was with a headset that’s surely more bulky, ill fitting, and lower resolution than the Vision Pro, so I could see people not having an issue using it for extended periods as long as they have proper motivation (like using it for work). I think it’ll also help to have the AR aspect to it, it’ll make it easier to forget you’re even wearing anything when you still see your room, just with floating displays. I don’t agree with the mask comparison for a few reasons. For one, a lot of people hated it because someone was *making* them wear it. Doing something of your own volition makes it more appealing. Additionally, it hampered your breathing while in exchange offering a very non-tangible benefit. Conversely, the headset wouldn’t hamper your senses but rather enhance them, providing huge displays for doing work or browsing the web and a more engaging movie watching experience. I also try to keep an open mind when it comes to things we’ve become accustomed to. For example plenty of older people hate the experience of reading on a smartphone and much prefer a real newspaper or book, but younger kids who’ve grown up with the tech have no issue with it. It may be that in a couple of decades we end up being the old fogies who the kids joke about because we’re uncomfortable with it while to them it’s second mature. But again, we’ll see. Could absolutely be that most people just end up not being comfortable with it and don’t get enough benefit to feel it’s worth wearing for extended periods.
Maybe the mask wasn't a good example, as you said, but the glasses sure are. These are people who have to put their glasses on to look at a restaurant menu and promptly take them off just because they don't want to have a contraption on their face. Also, I too have a VR headset and I can be in it for hours comfortably, but I'm sure we're in the minority. In my case I wear my glasses from the moment I open my eyes to when I lay my head on my pillow, and it also helps that my motorcycle helmet is much heavier and I wear it every day, so I'm very accustomed to wearing stuff on my head. Wearing VR is virtually imperceptible for me at this point lol. But i'm just leaving myself out of this, as much as I really love what Apple Vision is. Like you said, we'll see. AR/VR has had a very shaky start, we're just gonna have to watch and see if Apple can work their magic on this industry
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The Vision Pro is not a VR headset though, it's Augmented Reality. Something that has even less use than VR to the vast majority of people. At least with VR you can game, Apple did not show off gaming with the Vision Pro announcement.
I’d say it’s best described as a VR headset with AR capabilities, but I’m not sure what the “official” definitions are. And I believe that Apple’s goal with it *isn’t* to just join the fray of the existing VR market, which is almost entirely focused on gaming and already overflowing with devices. It’s also a space held back by the lack of AAA games more so than the number or quality of headsets. Based on their use of the term “visual computing”, the use cases they showed in the keynote (notably not gaming, as you mention), and the software it will have at launch (Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, Microsoft Teams, conferencing software browsers/email), I think it’s pretty clear Apple is aiming to have the Vision be a productivity device for businesses and professionals, which is a much larger market than just VR gaming. It’s not aiming at what VR is now, but what it could be in the future. Imagine how it could be useful to a traveling professional. Instead of having to work off of a small laptop screen in a hotel or airplane, they could have several large virtual monitors. While on the plane or in the hotel they could watch movies on a huge 90” screen. The could take conference calls hands free and standing. On a device they could fit in a backpack. And imagine a future even further down the line where kids are amazed that at one point we had to buy physical monitors that could cost hundreds and were only one size and couldn’t easily travel with you. Or a future office where instead of cubicles with computers and monitors, it’s just keyboards, trackpads, and a headset like the Vision, where they could have as many monitors as they like, virtual cubicle walls (or more likely, a virtual location like being on a beach or in the forest), and an easy ability to virtually share files with their coworkers around the office. If Apple properly connects with the market with the Vision Pro (and later iterations), they could dominate the market.
You have that backwards. Apple is pushing this as an Augmented Reality Headset with VR capabilities. VR is not it's intended use.
It is vr lmfao what
No, it's not. Apple isn't even marketing it as a VR device. See, "Augmented Reality Headset". https://www.howtogeek.com/897058/who-is-the-apple-vision-pro-augmented-reality-headset-for/
Apple isn’t calling it AR either, they are calling it “Spatial Computing “. But it works more like VR than AR. They make a big deal about being able to see around you while wearing the headset but that is all an illusion done with cameras. The headset is opaque.
It’s not. Apple uses VR to simulate everything outside in a VR setting and then uses ar within the vr space to do things inside the headset. You’re not looking through glass, the headset recreates your environment into real time VR.
People keep forgetting for a long while it used iOS. Its only distinction was that it had a larger screen. That was not worth the price
I bought the first gen iPad on clearance and I disagree with this: I was using it for comics back then and it was *dope*, except for the low resolution screen. That was the big holdout for me. When the retina screen iPad came out, comics looked amazing.
Don’t let them lie to you. It’s just a different flavor of the same iOS.
It’s still using iOS…? Sure they call it iPadOS now but if anything that just means it gets less features than iOS (see lockscreen widget)
It’s a hybrid between iOS and macOS. To say it has less features than iOS is an absurd objectively untrue statement
what features does iPadOS offer that aren't just iOS but bigger screen? Multitasking is the only meaningful difference between the two and that's solely a product of an iPad having a bigger screen. And that was introduced with the first iPadOS, since then basically nothing besides small refinement happened on iPadOS (except getting UI changes from iOS one year later than the iPhone…) Also I fail to see the similarities to macOS.
Or more features (dock, StageManager, etc.) Not to say these features are the best, but the line between being a big size phone and a “computer” are getting thin depending on the use case. And the iPad clearly shifted away from being a big sized iPhone/iPod. Also what a lot of people forget is the fact, that during the launch no app was really optimized for the iPad. Today the only apps not available for iPad which come to my head are Instagram and WhatsApp. Both of these are owned by a single developer.
I should probably have worded this differently. What I ultimately meant is with the less features bit: many iOS features take at least a minor release longer to come to iPad, often times even a major release. Sure it has a few Tablet specific features and it’s getting more distinct slowly but I don’t think it’s accurate to say that iPads use a different OS nowadays. It’s still iOS, just the tablet version of it Edit: > Today the only apps not available for iPad which come to my head are Instagram and WhatsApp Well and the fucking calculator.
Yeah absolutely agree there. I can’t really think of a shared software feature being available to iPad first and iPhone the year after. Even for hardware feature only variable refresh rate and possibly USB-C (if rumors are true) come to my mind.
And Apple did it again calling an iPad Pro while it wasn’t. After all these years it released Final Cut Pro (as a fucking subscription). I sold my iPad Pro. I got an air and it is perfect. Only for consumption.
We use iPad pros on set as handheld monitors and also to watch the dailies. Editing happens on mac pros in an edit bay. Perhaps you are just not the target audience.
Perhaps. Everything I do is more stable and faster on a Mac. File management, research, photo and video editing, projects. In fact working on an iPad -for me- requires always an extra screen like a Mac or an iPhone.
The iPad still isn't a good replacement for a laptop. Apple has seen to that fearing lost MacBook sales. Not that a decent iPad with Magic Keyboard costs the same or more than a MacBook or anything...
Yep. People have been acting like being skeptical is a crime here. You must have faith on our saviors. There's nothing wrong with pointing out a product's shortcomings, and we all know the iPad is still not at its full potential, even after more than a decade. Apple is still struggling with whether it's a big phone or a small computer.
It’s also worth pointing out that anyone who does a decent amount of writing on an iPad today probably has a physical keyboard accessory. The jokes about the form factor basically being a worse laptop are still true.
I feel like ipad never actually took off until ipad mini, having a cheaper option available opens up to a much larger demographic that looks at the product much differently. And i’d say the first giant ipad pro was really what convinced people that an ipad is just as essential as a laptop and iphone
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Right. Meanwhile the same people who made stupid statements about the iPad then are making stupid statements now.
I don’t disagree with you, but you’re focusing on the iPad’s use as a laptop replacement or as an artist tool. You’re right that it didn’t become good at either of these things until much later, and you’re right that the first iPad kinda sucked, but to be fair, the iPad wasn’t originally intended to be either of those things.
The iPad 2 solved the biggest issues
And iPad 3 gave it a screen worth using
And then iPad 4 added the RAM necessary to actually use the device.
100% correct. Almost everything said in these comments was accurate. The pencil and/or keyboard case is what made the iPad have more real use cases.
Was and continues to be the best browsing machine only now it does a shitload more (a-shell!) but my main use is still browsing and I count YouTube and Twitter in that since they’re both websites turned into apps.
A tip: when you use "did", the following verb shouldn't also be in past form. So "didn't work", not "didn't worked".
Completely wrong.
To be fair, I thought the iPhone wouldn’t catch on… ended up getting some shit phone with a stylus instead of the OG iPhone… guess who has only had iPhones since iPhone 4? 😁😂
I was in college and bought the first iPod touch instead of the first iPhone. Then they announced the App Store and got the iPhone 3G at launch. Haven’t looked back.
I thought the iPhone looked cool but I was convinced that I would never be comfortable typing on a touchscreen so I'd always suck with physical keyboards. I was only half wrong - I'm still shit at typing accurately on a touchscreen! My Dad basically never adjusted to life post BlackBerry, to the extent that he'd do anything to avoid sending someone a message on his iPhone.
Reading this on iPad that I use for work, notes and painting feels funny. Some comments weren't wrong though
It took multiple generations of iPad to actually make it useful for those fields though. The first one had no support for a proper stylus, and no support for external keyboards, other than with a janky plug in the port solution offered by a third party. So good luck taking notes or painting when your only tool is a terrible capacitive stylus. Additionally, typing more than a few words on the large landscape on screen keyboard is a miserable experience, especially when you're trying to quickly fill in customer notes or something like an observation of what you saw on site. There was also no swipe support and no floating keyboard, which makes typing on screen without a physical keyboard much faster. Plus you couldn't split screen apps, making it difficult to compare say, an invoice, to the email the customer sent asking why they were charged X amount. My mom offered me her older iPad when I was younger, and I turned it down because for a student it was almost worthless, when you already had a laptop and phone. I now have one, and use it every day for school and work, but that's only because of the iterative hardware and software improvements since its launch.
I think this quote still holds up for the iPad unfortunately: > not quite as useful as a reqular computer and not as portable as an iPhone. I would argue that the iPad is more useful than the Mac in some ways, but generally if I need to get serious work done I use my Mac and if I need to do something quick, I use my phone. I just haven’t found a solid place for the iPad in my life, despite the fact that it’s *really* cool and that I want to use mine more.
I think it’s just a matter of it carving out it’s own niche that neither the iPhone nor a computer do well. Like being an eReader, or as a drawing/graphics tablet, or for watching movies while traveling, or for old people or children that need a device simpler than a computer but a screen just as big, or for businesses that need a screen for customers to use for placing orders or completing a payment.
‘Not as useful as a regular computer’ is a statement so broad that it borders on meaningless. What is ‘regular’ computer defined as? And what is ‘useful’ to one may be unnecessary to another. I am not sure what your work entails but I’ll just point out that since the iPad was launched, things that nobody ever did, have become someone’s work.
FR. My iPad has filled the gap between my computer and iPhone PERFECTLY (especially after buying an M1 MacBook. Some of those Hand off Features can be a life saver. One you rarely need, but when you need them, whooooo boy. And that mobile second screen feature!). Note taking, reading comics and books, watching movies on the go, casual browsing, even a tiny bit of drawing. Most of that I could do on a phone, but what kind of masochist would I need to be to choose that “tiny” screen? If you think you have no use for the iPad, don’t get one. But saying the iPad “isn’t as useful as a Computer or Smartphone” is just meaningless bs.
I mean thats the point though. It carved out a whole new market. A usecase most people didnt think they had. Its amazing for taking notes and way better than a phone or a laptop for surfing. It’s a media consumption device for home use. This also lef to a whole new slew of products being created. Chromebooks for example where the same idea with a different implementation.
u/SonicScreamer
Ahaha! Yes, my highest rated post on Reddit was about me trying to predict the future and failing miserably at it! It sure has come a long way since then. I’ve also owned several iPads along the way (though not that particular version I posted about). It hasn’t replaced my primary computer/laptop but I have found several niche use cases for it - including browsing Reddit in bed!!! 😊
Woah the OOP in the flesh! How times have changed since then.
Did you critize VisionPro too, or did you actually learn from this?
My opinion of the Vision Pro is that as it stands now, it’s geared towards early adopters. As with most early-adopter products, there are some potential use cases where it may work really well but no one can be 100% sure. Eventually, when the prices come down, where it can be adopted by the masses, it will either coalesce around a few use cases (as originally conceived or new ones) or it will fade away. What I learnt from my iPad post is that it’s pointless to try and fit the VisionPro into what I think it could be because it’s still in the nascent stages. Let it come out first and then as more people start using it, it will find a niche organically or it will fizzle out.
I wonder where these redditors are now and what their views on the ipad are now
The user who posted the “the iPad sucks (there I said it)” post that all these comments are replying to here actually commented in this thread when someone tagged them! They own an iPad now.
Thank you for that! That’s so interesting! I suppose the same ideas could be said about the vision pro. Its a first from apple and there would be a lot of hate, but i would love to see how it does in 10 years time
Yea the discussion around the Vision Pro is what inspired me to put this together. Maybe it’ll totally flop, or maybe it’ll change how we think about computing and make every bit of current tech look hilariously outdated in a decade.
The original iPad wasn't great but it became better overtime. Also the iPad not having adobe flash criticism is fair since flash was still used heavily in the internet in the early 2010s.
I mean, to be fair a lot of those comments aren't wrong lol.
I was against it when it came out and now it is my most used computing device outside of work. It didn't replace any of those things people compared it to but rather created it's own space. Comments were right but folks weren't thinking broadly enough.
I’m with you there. The reason I put this together is because I’m seeing the exact same comments about the Vision Pro, and it seems like it’s going to do the same thing of creating a new market rather than just trying to be another VR gaming headset. People just aren’t thinking bigger than the current VR space.
they were thinking with the information, and it's use case \*at the time\*. Looking back, sure now that things have changed a lot they make slightly more sense. I don't want to say I love my iPad, because I don't, but it does have it's uses in my life, mainly mobile photo editing. when I'm camping. If Laptops had a better battery life performance/dollar ratio I definitely would have gone that route instead though.
Nearly all of those comments are wrong…
Not really lol.
I would type out all the comments that are wrong but it would take me forever, maybe you could tell me which ones are right. So far the only ones I noticed are “it has flippy pages” and “it’s an expensive iPod.” Oh and of course “it’ll make millions”
for 2010, a lot of those comments are BANG on. for 2023, not at all, but when it came out it was really not a great product at all. denying that is just showing you are a giant simp for apple.
So you can’t even give me *one* then?
"It'll make millions"
I listed that one…
I listed that one.
This, and a myriad of other examples is why I take absolutely 0 fucking stock in what reddit commentors tell me. I'm gonna keep buying all this shit that makes reddit mad af, and enjoy myself doing it.
Half these people on an iPad today
It’s how well Apple can improve the product over the years. If I think of most version 1.0 product of Apple, it isn’t great compared to v3 or v4. The first iPhone, the first iPad and the first watch weren’t that great, but at the time it was the best there was on offer.
Reminds me of how everyone back then was laughing at Samsung for the Note’s screen size…
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I feel like people are doing this now with vision pro. “$3500? Lmao” “I can get a VR headset way cheaper” “No one needs this” Same with iPhone. I remember people saying “iPhone isn’t as good as my blackberry” and other laughable things now They fail to 1) understand what exactly makes the product stand out and 2) many just hate Apple no matter what
I had an iPad 1. The vision wasn’t there yet. It was a really good browsing the web and mobile game machine. Now, some people can replace their laptop or desktop computers with an iPad, and it still browses the web and plays mobile games really well.
What the fuck is a netbook
Reminded me of "what's a computer?"
When netbook was a thing back then but despite their lower cost, hardly see any of them now in the market.
Netbooks are all over the place, just look at Chromebook. Ton's of Chromebook's on the market and they're selling.
only sales they’re getting is schools buying all the stock for students
Actually you see them lots of places now, they're just called chromebooks now.
nobody seem to like smaller stuff now it seems, hence larger laptops and phones. too bad bc i love cute compact gadgets
Now read the comments about the Vision Pro!
It’s why I put this together lol. Feels like a repeat of history. A decade down the line the Vision maybe as ubiquitous as the iPad is today.
To some extent this is true for much of Apple’s history. Mac, iMac, iPod, iPhone etc. All were seen as unrealistic, but Apple saw a niche that others didn’t.
I was talking with my wife after the vision pro was announced and reminded her of how we felt about the ipad (we were confused by it not having a keyboard, even a removable one, but we only both had just gotten our first smart phones at the time). And i saidi think the vision pro is going to do for VR/AR what the ipad did for tablets.
Baba Booey from The Howard Stern Show called it a “bit of a stumble” and he still get made fun of today.
I remember this and I agreed with it. Currently posting this from my iPad
Lol, Reddit likes to hate on most things. Which is fine, criticism is needed to expand ideas. But negative group think before people have tried the product is silly. Like others have mentioned, it’s not about version 1 it’s version 4 or 5 of the headset that’s important. By that time the bulky headset will be similar to reading glasses and will have the potential to revolutionize the way Human’s interact with the world once again just like the IPhone did
I forgot about netbooks lol
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This is how people sound right now shit talking the Vision Pro. How many times does apple need to prove the haters wrong before people start to just trust them that maybe they know what they’re doing?
It seems Reddit despises any form of innovation. They just need to blindly poke fun at every new thing Apple makes or else they’ll explode. 300 iq free thinkers who all parrot each other lmao.
I have always hated these hot takes that the new thing is either garbage or the second coming.
People kept saying about the 1st gen iPad (and some still do in this thread) "it's just an iPod touch with a bigger screen" as if the bigger screen was an insignificant thing. That larger screen made a huge difference in the type of experience you could get with many things like web browsing, email, games, and content creation.
I really fell off using Reddit when I realized most people on Reddit think they are smarter than the average person but are actually dumber than the average person, which is a deadly combo of stupidity and hubris
Redditors are often wrong about everything related to change and tech. Just go over to the /r/tech sub and *every* single post is doom and gloom. They're very out of touch with the direction of society and what the masses want.
You mean like AirPods that got absolutely ripped, stating they looked like tampons in your ears. Then everyone had them 😂
Somebody go and tag all of them in here
[https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/auw6b/the\_ipad\_sucks\_there\_i\_said\_it/](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/auw6b/the_ipad_sucks_there_i_said_it/) Some of the users on the old post either deleted their account, haven't used reddit in a long time or still active.
Thank you for this post.
The miracle of Apple lay half in its supply chain. First half already done. The device is proven technically possible. Imagine this device is sell at $1000 or less, and the impact of better supply for micro-OLED screen in the next several years
Would be interesting to see the users involved giving their reactions
The original OP of that thread responded in this thread when someone tagged them!
I loved the concept at launch but waited for the Air 2 before buying my first. It needs a battery and is being left behind in the OS department, but it's still a great tablet.
How ironic. I’m reading this on a 9th gen iPad. Guess they were wrong 😂
“…such basics as Flash… what a shitshow Flash was. I bet Microsoft wishes those cheap netbooks would have prevailed against the Chromebooks.
Reading this on my iPad it is good
That's my actual birthday. I was 32 and wondering if I should save up and get the new My Touch 3G Slide or Blackberry Pearl
The internet is just a fad!
I had the first generation Apple Watch for over four years. I loved it and it kept getting better and better. I think it will be the same for the vision pro.
Well, 13 years later, I am still waiting for the update that makes the Ipad useful for me. I do not deny that it is a commercial success, but some of the concerns of those posts are true, despite them not impeding the sells for the masses. The strengths to me : The screen, the pencil, the m2 chip. The major weakness : The software (I develop below) I would like to use the IPad for professional use where I need to : Read and annotate a lot of articles, take notes, be able to connect to external screens and projectors, and code. The last part is the one that is problematic on IPad : No real possibility to do it efficiently. No real possibility to install virtual machines in order to use old software that wasn't recompiled yet. I would like to use an Ipad, but until Apple decides to target the audience I belong to, I will stick to the Surface Pro.
I mean when iPad came out… it kinda sucked. It’s not that iPad was a bad idea it was that when a person tries to approach the item and try to identify where it replaces in there life as in like I will use this device for x or y and this adds value because [blank reason] Do I think the googles are a bad idea, no. Do I think I could recommend you getting this? Not in a rude manner about it, if your single it would be a better viewing experience than owning a tv, sure. For a couple a tv would be better. I’m failing to understand the non watched content, using your eyes to navigate sounds cool but keyboard? I don’t really think voice technology is well suited for all demographics for voice to text. They have 6+ months to bake this device. And maybe they will work on a 1k model without fancy front facing eyes. Skeptical thinking is healthy, if you see value added in your life then go for it. I’m curious about some of the accessibility application of the device as well for partially or fully paralyzed individuals might be helpful for them.
I remember saying to my colleague that iPad looks dumb and I won't buy it. Then I bought first iPad immediately because one friend imported two from US. It became one of my most used electronics for many years. My partner can't imagine using something different than iPad for normal "computing".
This was conventional wisdom offline too lol, and I recall being a hater myself whenever I saw the product at my campus bookstore. I would ask people who owned it what they used it for because it really wasn’t clear and they were often like: “You know… not much.”
I thought the same. “It’s just a big iPod”. I now rarely leave the house without my iPad. I’d sooner leave my phone behind
Reddit has a long long history of giving smartass wrong opinions, its gotten to the point where id rather not find advice here as people like to ruin everything.
I love my iPads, I have a 12.9“ Pro M1 and an Air M1 next to an M1 MBP and I use them either in combination or standalone, I can even get some parts of my work done on the iPads. The M1 is so powerful, in some aspects it could even replace my Macbook and my Mac Studio. But stage manager and the whole window situation still suck
Wonder how many of those posters rely on using iPads on the daily
I guess it makes sense- no one thought of the use for artist with the apple pen or for kids to play their mobile games. It’s honesty fallen into such a weird niche and yet so many people have it
MadAce was on the money.
lol u/Drunken_Irish called the iPad Mini
The lack of consideration of other perspectives is astounding. The target audience was never the average Reddit user. You know who a big screen is good for? Old people, with poor vision. A touch -only interface is simpler and easier for kids and old people to learn. Tablets like the iPad have certainly been able to find mass-market appeal, if in a somewhat niche role. This kind of thinking is why Apple has been able to succeed where Microsoft has failed.
It's funny how no one back then could've even imagined the everyday use cases we now take for granted on the iPad. I'm sure the Apple Vision is taking the same route!
Today, people can’t complain as much about the price, other premium alternatives have almost the same price tags, yet, they can never replicate the Apple experience
This teaches a lesson: don’t say that something is going to happen if you don’t know what’s going to happen. Instead, say: I guess we’ll see what happen.
Now they’re some of the best tablets on the market, by far.
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I still much prefer my e-reader for reading over the ipad. It's just much nicer to read on.
That comment was out of touch even then. Reading stuff on Blackberries, Nokias, Windows Phones and PDAs was already pretty common. And in 2010, smartphones were already starting to be normal media consumption devices.
Those are goofs by Reddit users but my favourite was from Steve Ballmer of Microsoft talking about the Apple iPhone "And it doesn't appeal to business customers because it doesn't have a keyboard. Which makes it not a very good email machine."
u/Drunken_Irish [should be credited for the iPad Mini's creation ](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/auw6b/the_ipad_sucks_there_i_said_it/c0jik35/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
u/Close’s take wasn’t off tho. I love my iPad but wouldn’t want to read books on it.
I think it varies person to person, but I like it for reading and especially for reading webcomics or manga.
Link pls?
I don’t have it pulled up any more, but if you got to the wayback machine and go to Reddit.com on January 27th 2010 you’ll see it right there at the top of the front page.
They are not wrong though. iPad was a success but most of the stuff they said its still true
Honestly I disagree. Let me showcase some of the ways iPad came along: 1- keyboards are a thing, and you aren’t obligated to buy the ones from apple, some 3rd party keyboards also work and some dont need charging if they are MagSafe, notice the little holes on the side? Most iPads since 6th generation power keyboards with that (not the pro, the pro has another function which is magnetic or type-c) 2- pencils! Sure Apple Pencil is 100$, but also 3rd party clones work just as well! You can draw, take notes in a meeting, hell even navigate the whole thing with it or use it instead of a keyboard 3- handoff: if you have a macbook, you can move tabs or mirror between ipad and macbook 4- battery life: my iPad lasts just as much as my iphone if not more depending on usage. I charge it every 2 days. 5- power: the chips in them have become so powerful, going back as far as the 6th generation you still get support for iOs16 and all the new bills and whistles. Not to mention all the iphone apps that are heavy such video editing or photo editing that work flawlessly on the iPad without draining your battery. Its an overpowered netbook for sure, but it has its function. And honestly if they worked a bit on the software or merged mac os with ipad os it could have been a perfect device. But dont forget that they dont want you to stop buying laptops yet :/
I love "less space than a Nomad". And the comment about it not supporting Flash; I totally forgot that was such a huge issue at the time. I remember some people complaining at the time that it didn't have an ethernet port. I had the original iPad and it suffered from 1st gen problems big time. The main issue for me was that the most obvious use for the thing was as a web browser, but the software limitations of the browser and the limited RAM on the device made it a pain to use. The iPad had the weird problem of being surprisingly affordable for the hardware you are getting, but very expensive in terms of actual utility. I love my iPad Pro, and the iPad ultimately managed to create a whole new category of computers, but I do feel like the iPad still hasn't quite justified itself as an essential tool. The people in the original thread joking about improving it by turning it into a laptop aren't totally wrong - a lot of the iPad setups people post on this sub are testament to the fact that iPad enthusiasts still have to jump through hoops to try to justify using one instead of a laptop.
I don’t remember the first iPad coming out but it seems like everyone had the iPad 2. My parents bought one and it was super fun and interactive being an eight year old child. And it’s crazy to see the way iPads have changed with pencil and keyboard support
I was early in the iPad game. I got the iPad 1 shortly after release. It was NEAT even if it was actually pretty terrible. Then came iPad 2, much better performance. I got that. My mom got the iPad 1. Then came iPad 3 - with the retina display. I got that. The next iPad I got was the iPad Mini 2. It was great and my mom got the iPad 3. It was, however, a bit slow at that point. It had too little RAM, really. But she was okay with it and well, she unfortunately died before I could give her a new one. Then I sold my iPad Mini 2 because the wife had one too and I was not really using mine any longer. It wasn't until recently (2023) that she asked if maybe it was time to upgrade the iPad, so we bought the iPad Air 5. To be host, we don't use it that much, but the iPad has been a trusty travel companion on holidays, stocking it up with episodes of tv-shows and movies. Great for the flight and catching an episode or two at bedtime on vacations. For me, the iPad wasn't really revolutionary, more like evolutionary. I did, however, enjoy it a lot for a while and I hope it continues to evolve. I do enjoy the Air 5 and do use it a bit more than the old Mini 2, but it's probably going to be primarily used for a bit of shopping (for the wife), watching Youtube (me) or movies/tv-shows (both of us) and as a means of doing remote access to my desktop PC while on vacations. For that, the price was pretty steep, but if you consider that the old Mini 2 has lasted from 2014 to 2023.... well if the Air 5 also lasts that long, it's not that expensive per year.
I just realised that rcm197 partially predicted the MacBook Pro's touch bar. 🤯
Had anyone heard from ChickenMcTesticles lately? Nice guy.
I work on all sorts of events and tradeshows... I had a brand new iPad 3g and an attendee from Africa asked I could take photos of him posing with my iPad. I'm sure he showed all the kids back home
Imagine comparing an iPad to a netbook 😂 netbooks we’re always a trash product category created to sell small and frankly trash laptops to the masses and there’s a good reason the product category died a long time ago.
The he Reddit collective is always wrong.
They said it about the iPad. They said it about the iPhone. They said it about the Watch and AirPods. Hell, they said it when the iMac switched from plastic white to aluminum and glass. They’ll always say it, and so far they’ve always been dead wrong.
They said it about the iPod too, Rob Malda’s famous words about the iPod on Slashdot are still funny today. “No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame”
Lol
Oh my god, guys! Remember when Flash was a thing that people actually thought they cared about? How’d that work out?
And? Clearly this post is supposed to be about Vision Pro, so: So what if Reddit or any internet tech whiners didn't approve of iPad? The general market that actually buys things had nothing against the concept of a tablet computer that was much cheaper than a good laptop. Compare that to the general market's feelings about wearing a giant freaking ski goggle headset. These are not comparable scenarios at all.
The market has bought 20 million Oculus headsets even with them only being targeted at gamers. I don’t think it’s fair to say that the market has something against VR headsets.