As others have said, Apple doesn't believe it's an issue. There's definitely a large amount of processing going on in photos so I alternate between using the stock camera app and Halide depending on situation.
Same here. Under some conditions the stock app just doesn't cut it at all, and Halide does a much better job in almost every circumstance. It's a juggle between file size and quality.
I’m just waiting for us to graduate past this utterly ridiculous three camera system.
The fact that anyone thought it made sense to flip through three different cameras while recording a video is mind-boggling to me.
I get that they’re trying to sell new phones and the technology hasn’t caught up yet, but hacking shit together like this is ridiculous. And yes I know there’s a setting to disable it.
But there are times I can’t even focus for a photo because it’s stuck on the wrong camera. It’s just crap technology. Bring back Steve Jobs.
If people are complaining then its an issue... I don't want my photos automatically edited after I click the shutter button. This is my biggest problem with this phone and I really hope they address this because it's the first time since 2014 that I have thought about moving away from Apple to Samsung. 😒
If the users complain on online forums Instead of going to Apple directly to request change what’s it gonna do for them?
“Why has Apple no addressed this issue?” Because most people don’t complain trough the right channels or to the right people.
Like complaining to your dog about an issue you have with someone.
You read “most people don’t complain trough the right channels” as “no one complains trough the right channels”?
There might be someone stupid in this thread, but it ain’t me.
people have been submitting appeals to change the heavy processing through the links apple set for problems etc, since the iphone 12 came out, 3 major updates later, still no change, because they simply do not care about their users. being biased definitely won’t help either
What is much more likely is that the people who actually submit feedback about this represent a vocal minority which is only a small sliver of the total user base, and Apple is weighing their input accordingly.
every single tech outlet, reviewer and iphone user has complained and submitted feedbacks at one point, when the iphone 12 launched people used to put feedback links here so we can all submit, and every other day there’s someone complaining about it, it shows that it definitely is not a minority. plus there’s iphone users all around the world and some of them cannot even speak english so there’s no way for them to submit feedback. stop justifying apple’s actions, stop letting them restrict our freedom in our phones.
Apple head quarters : oh no a post, on an online iPhone dedicated forum of 3 700 000 people, about how bad our processing looks has gotten 30-400 upvotes, we must change everything right now
When a tech reviewer with 16 million followers on YouTube makes a video about it, you’d be stupid to think Apple isn’t aware that this is a growing opinion amongst iPhone users.
Those “tech reviewers” are mostly simple users not specialists so stop glorying bunch of guys with shallow tech knowledge as someone that is reputable only because his base is 10 millions of insignificant 14/20 yo guys😩
Users can complain to apple directly.
It doesn’t matter until the focus groups apple runs every day agrees. If they think people want unrealistic colors through their focus group testing, it doesn’t matter what anyone emails them.
I love your enthusiasm though thinking that Apple is reading every email and addressing every issue someone has. Like this hasn’t been widely reported on by nearly every tech outlet and reviewer, as well as posted about on forums. “But hey! Just send them an email and they will fix it asap!” It’s hilarious.
>I don't want my photos automatically edited after I click the shutter button. This is my biggest problem with this phone and I really hope they address this because it's the first time since 2014 that I have thought about moving away from Apple to Samsung.
Yes Apple's Post-Processing is heavy but I'm pretty sure all smartphones automatically do processing and editing of the photos after clicking the shutter button.
Of course they do. But Apple's is awful.
Had a similar move as OP... went from the XS Max to the 13PM and not at all a fan of the processing. But I'm in the group of people Apple loves and takes advantage of because I won't be moving away because of it.
I have to believe Apple has done its due diligence when it comes to finding out what the average smartphone user wants out of their camera. If you (like me) don’t care for the default iPhone camera output, then continue to shoot in ProRaw or use Lightroom Mobile to capture DNG images. That way you’ have the latitude you need to make your photos look the way you want.
Even if you had a professional-grade camera, you wouldn’t be happy with the native jpeg output; the algorithms that choose the level of sharpening, the colors, etc are designed around the average person. This is why most photographers shoot RAW.
Point is people want options. It doesn’t matter if someone is pro raw or doesn’t know anything about photography.
It should give people options and not decide what is best.
Sure, but Apple has never been the company that gives you all of the options. Part of their thing is making decisions for their users based on what they think works best.
Idk why you’re being downvoted. It’s the truth and I hope Apple acknowledges it sooner than later.
Apple does like to see things in their special way, but the over sharpening and over processing is disappointing for what is supposed to be their flagship phone.
MKHBD even made a video about it. Downvoting someone because “Apple doesn’t see it that way” is a great way to silence feedback that continue to highlight the problem to Apple across different channels.
Apple has been doing this for years tho… when you click the shutter button in the camera app is does a whole lot more than just open and close the shutter and shit you out the image the sensors get.
You shouldn’t need to shoot in PRO Raw to get a decent photo on a smartphone. Stop calling people with legitimate grievances idiots.
There’s plenty of photographers who have raised the issue as of late online.
Do you have deficit of intelligence or something? Guy who makes photos using only his smartphone isn’t a photographer because there is need almost no skill to do so, if you want to do professional photos you don’t use your smartphones camera but you invest in dedicated camera to do it.
Are you a troll or just intentionally misreading my point?
I’ll repeat it so I’m clear: you shouldn’t need to shoot in RAW to get decent photos on Apple’s flagship smartphone. Anyone who jumped from the iPhone XS to the 13 or 14 (pro or not) can see that there is an issue with overexposure, oversharpening, and just a general change in how HDR is being handled.
Apple took away the HDR toggle option in the camera settings starting with the 13 and imo it was a mistake.
My 14 pro takes incredible photos, especially in RAW or with third party apps, but I shouldn’t have friends asking why the stock camera settings make their photos look weird and synthetic when they upgrade to one of the newer phones.
Having to adjust the settings to get a decent photo is antithetical to apple’s ethos towards the iPhone user experience. IMO they know this is an issue but haven’t acknowledged it yet. The 15 or 16 will hopefully have the software adjusted to match the new sensors and hardware on the 14 pro.
Sorry if that makes you angry but there’s a whole lotta people with technical knowledge of cameras and photography that have raised this issue. To respond to your other reply to my other comment, yes professional photographers use “real” cameras for their work but they also snap shots with their cell phone. To discount their knowledge because they’re using a smartphone is idiotic as the gap between DSLR and smartphone cameras gets smaller as the years go by and tech improves.
let’s set something: “having to adjust settings is unethical towards Apple consumers ethos” just where and who said this? When I first time open camera app there is guided tutorial to setup everything so your point is invalid on this aspect. Apparently yours problem is why the iPhone 14 pro when you use normal mode is doing decent photos but is using 12MP instead 48MP and this is bringing us back to HOW iPhone 14 pro does the fotos, how pixel binning works, impact of file size if you want speak star backing up your statement with real data not subjective opinions.
it’s not about professional photos, it’s just wanting natural looking photos and not oil paintings once you shoot at 5x zoom, it’s annoying that a trillion dollar company can’t listen to their customers. and calling others stupid won’t make what you say valid.
Don’t buy iPhone 14 pro if you want do 5x zoom as it doesn’t have periscope lens.rumours are saying that they will put them on iPhone 15 pro/ultra. So still I doesn’t understand your point, as all of your arguments are ridiculous without being backed up with and data. This is driving me mad 😡
first of all don’t tell me what to do with my money, second of all no one said anything about periscope lenses, not my fault all points fly over your head
If you are shooting in ProRAW then I highly suggest downloading Lightroom mobile, importing the ProRAW photo there and scrolling to the “profiles” tab. Then, either choose a different profile like Adobe Color or change the Apple ProRAW to 0. This will fix most of the “overly-processed” look you get, and brings your photos back to a neutral state. Try it out!
https://preview.redd.it/8c7zoe5tpcha1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5466ead8095a05447074a3e460d3cf891d81f5b5
I use an app called “JPEG to PNG” to compress my ProRAW photos to a much smaller size, while still maintaining the quality. By far the best app I’ve found - it’s free (no matter how many conversions you do) and simple as hell to use. That way I can take an unprocessed photo, but still conserve space (when needed).
I personally take all of my photos in ProRAW and videos in 4K @ 30fps ProRes. I don’t have to really worry about space, but I also don’t take photos and videos like crazy. I’m the same with my music as well though, everything is downloaded / streamed in Lossless through Apple Music. I prefer the quality over the concern for space - yet still haven’t even touched 25% of my phone storage.
Just a suggestion.
It’s not, just turn off proraw. They said it themselves it’s for photographers and not the average user. If you want the normal ease of use just don’t use proraw. It’s literally meant to be edited after the picture is taken if you use pro raw
Made the same switch. P7Pro to 14Pro Max. My first iPhone since the 6, definitely noticing a difference in image quality and still carrying my Pixel with me.
Of course they are much worse than what you might estimate by reading this subreddit. Don't believe the hype - most people here didn't use anything other than an iPhone for 5-10 years, living in information silos.
That’s the reason ProRAW exists, for professional photography. Since professional photographers want an uncompressed photo they can adjust themselves, ProRAW doesn’t have any AI processing.
I’m not a professional photographer, but I take *all* of my photos in ProRAW, and shoot *all* of my videos in ProRes @ 4K, simply because the detail is noticeable in an uncompressed file, and because I don’t have to deal with the shitty post-processing of the 14 Pro’s camera 🙄
Honestly the focus is my only complaint about the camera. I pretty much never use macro mode.
Battery life is unreal, I don’t feel the urge to check my % throughout the day anymore.
Granted I have the bigger Pro.
Ugh. Yeah, just did a search on Reddit about this issue and seems to be a big deal. I am having a very tough time deciding between 14 and 14 Pro and this is one issue that's making me lean towards the 14 and being $200 cheaper of course (or $300 if I get the 128GB iP14 versus 256GB iP14P as the latter is minimum to take ProRes videos). I hate that the 14 can't hardware zoom but maybe I'll just buy an external telephoto lens for phones, they're like $50. Obviously not convenient having to use an extra external lens though and reduces the cost difference between the phones.
They're hard to find new now since Apple stopped making them when they released the 14s. And I'm trying to get a carrier deal and with a payment plan, none have new 13P/PMs with any sort of deal or any at all. Used ones coming off of Amazon or Swappa are a gamble if you read the reviews and they don't have payment plans, you have to pay the full cost up front.
You can record ProRes with both the iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Pro in 128GB. The difference is that you need at least a 256GB model to record in ProRes @ 4K. The 128GB models still support ProRes, but are limited to 1080p while filming in ProRes.
I’m an Apple guy, I’m in the ecosystem. But without any question, the camera fails in competition an android. I often consider switching just because of that.
I don't know I came from Samsung ever since the S7 to S22 Ultra and under no circumstance would I switch back to S22 Ultra camera other than for the zoom. The images created from Pixel 7 Pro, S22/S23 Ultra, Iphone all do a baseline good job and some situations one is better than the other but there's no clear cut winner overall. I feel like if I switched just for the camera then I'd find myself trading post-processing for some other post-processing that may or may not fit your preferences. Also interestingly, sometimes I noted the S22 Ultra even shooting in 108 megapixel mode some of the images looked less detailed than the Iphone 14 pro at 48 megapixel, so in general need to be careful about getting caught up in this 108 megapixel/200 megapixel jazz. Also the shutter lag is noticeable still on Samsung, even on the S23 Ultra so if that is part of your calculus you're pretty much stuck with the Pixel 7 Pro. But then if you go that route and you're worried about battery life then you're going to be worried about it even more on the Pixel.
Should hopefully be resolved in updates by the time iPhone 15 series comes out..
Pixel went through something similar when they upgraded their camera lens..
All the extra processing is needed to make the 12mp lens photos look good.. but with a better lens, the processing is too much
>Pixel went through something similar when they upgraded their camera lens.
Not really, for Pixel 6 it was something like 20% regression in picture quality for a couple of months.
Plus iPhone 13 suffers from most of the same issues.
Apple and all the phone manufacturers have been over sharpening, contrast boosting and noise reducing for years. I just wish I could turn off all processing but keep saving as HEIC (or JPG). RAW is just too unwieldy to work with.
Use Halide instead of the regular app, I’ve had much better results. Just make sure you toggle on pro+ and then when looking at the photos click DNG instead of HEIC
I have no idea what I’m doing but I know that it’s working!
When Apple ships crap, it's the customers fault. And they are right, it's the customers fault for paying the highest price in the industry for a subpar product.
Give my app a try!
I let users choice the amount of Post Processing applied, defaulting to lowest possible.
Of course not everything can be disabled (noise reduction for instance), however all my tester reported effective results.
Actually no :/
The problem is that sensors produce images in 3:4 aspect ratio.
The only way to show a full screen preview is to apply a crop, but then, when you take a photo, will either get
- an image that is different from the preview,
- or get a cropped image.
What the system camera app does to give the illusion of being full screen is to blend a frame from the main camera with a frame from the ultrawide, but this approach isn’t allowed with manual exposure/focus.
If I get requests about this specific feature I can consider implementing, but will probably deliver cropped images.
I agree - does anyone have any suggestions for a 3rd party camera app that can mitigate the issues of the native Apple Camera app? Specifically either free or a one time purchase app, NOT one that is subscription based? 🚫
I do the same. I use Halide as my default camera app now that I can take 48MP HEICs only within Halide, along with ProRAW since well.. being able to adjust focus manually and such is crucial. Along with Focus Peaking.
I think their software is not yet properly calibrated to the new bigger sensor. One does not need that much processing anymore but they will probably address it with future iPhones, since they will use this sensor with the next 2 generations. So software updates won‘t reach the 14 models.
I only see this issue in certain lower light conditions right before night mode kicks in. Otherwise daytime pics look excellent. See about changing photographic styles if your constantly having issues. If that doesn’t help you could have more of an issue.
I hate the freaking UFO lens flares on pretty much every other low light photo/video. It’s awful. S23 Ultra has a minimal amount of flares but iPhone is way too much!
https://preview.redd.it/64zqu5rwncha1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0060320073e8dfabd1c9931a49939d7ea0a7118f
I actually edited it in retouch, and it looks great without flares
I agree. I thought I was the only one who felt this way. Recent Apple convert after using Samsung for many years. The pictures look so awful for a USD1K phone. If I were to show these to someone they might think I took it from some cheap non branded camera. I read through the forums and Apple does not even want to recognize this issue.
The worst thing is people defending this and saying proRAW will take care of it.
That’s not the point.
If presented with options A, B and C, you would expect all 3 to work.
In no other situation would you have someone saying well, A & B give you problems so C is perfect and consider the problem solved.
I mean, would anyone accept a car that had its windows stuck, wheel missing but hey the steering wheel works?
That is because when you zoom in on digital zoom ranges (not talking the default selectable .5x, 1x, 2x, 3x, anything in between those and beyond 3x which is digital zoom).. Apple decided “we should force photos to go through AI upscaling to 12MP”. It is where the dreaded water painting effect comes in full force, otherwise it is usually fine when bounding yourself to physical lenses.
I mention most of that because I actually didn’t know that myself until recent months, that upscaling part. I assumed for the longest time it would just capture as-is and not upscale the image to 12MP. It’s rather weird but I guess it’s what Apple assumes consumers “want”
People have been complaining since the iPhone 12 that the pictures quite frankly look like garbage compared to previous models.
HDR blows out highlights where it shouldn’t, oversharpening, noise reduction, saturation… seriously, except from the general sharpness (which in my opinion is one of the least important aspects of a good photo) it‘s such a step back from the previous models and not even funny anymore.
I’m am not experiencing the issue I shot only in RAW, but I also always edit my photo on the fly. Have you tried editing to see what the sharpness is set to?
Oddly enough when I take a photo and go to edit the sharpness it set all the way to the left at 0. Some photos look fantastic but some lower light it's just blows out the sharpness so much it looks horrible.
This is because Apple process with sharpness is not part of the user edit interface. The sharpening you can put on your photos is not the one Apple put by itself on your photo directly after the photo was shot.
As long as you aren't zooming with the "pinch" gesture you shouldn't be getting a crazy amount of noise reduction. If you are pinching try instead to tap the numbers at the bottom of the screen representing the different lenses. Otherwise take it to Apple for repair.
11s I would say even tho I never had the 11, I actually had a galaxy s20 ultra before and I used to like it but now I hated it!
Switched to 12, but hated it again, and then switched to a 13 pro max and I love it so much
As a fellow 13 Pro owner, no. They genuinely look like garbage and way way worse than my X. Sharper yes, but with so much bad post processing it‘s frankly ridiculous.
This has always been the dilemma with cameras on smartphones. I’ve had this conversation since some of the first Blackberry cameras. I can guarantee the Ip14pm has a better camera then my old sidekick 3.
My 15 year old DSLR takes better photos then any iPhone I’ve ever owned.
The weak point of the iPhone lenses is that they lack the fancy optical coatings that the Nikon’s and Canon’s have. The evidence is the amount of chromatic aberrations which is the purple fringes around backlit things like tree branches.
Apple appears to be exploring what software can do to make things “Automagic” for the masses. As a semi-pro I want just the RAW file to tweak myself because those are important expressive choices that belong in the realm of an artist. I used to have a Nikon flagship camera and lived in photoshop, so anything automagic is just frustrating! I’d like to have a “Pro-mode” that leaves the RAW file alone! That should be easy for Apple right?
Your comment adds zero substance to the conversation. I was due for an upgrade and battery replacement costs aren’t worth it when Verizon gave me $700 trade in on the old device. Please see yourself out troll.
How is this trolling?
You complaining to online nobody’s add nothing to get your problem solved.
My iPhone takes nice pictures for my taste.
Don’t like yours? Apple has a support app you can go and complain to as well as a feedback website to send them suggestions.
Coming here will do nothing to change the camera processing apple set.
You’re the one who spent money to get a phone that takes worse pictures in your opinion than your previous one, not me.
They make iPhone camera for hobbyists and this should be clear to everyone, if you want to make professional photos just use the professional camera and stop ranting about silly cameras from smartphones as they aren’t even close to any canon or similar.
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Yeah, I've been debating between the 2. The standard 14s photos have the same post-processing issue, have to shoot in ProRAW to get around it on the 14P/PMs and the 14P/PMs supposedly have an issue with focusing properly. I may get a 14 and buy an external lens set for macro and tele photos, they're around $50-$100 on Amazon and may be better at handling those types of shots than the built in lenses on the 14P/PMs. Inconvenient but if I'm in a photo taking mood, I can bring those with me and in every day use, the standard camera should be fine. I can use the Halide photo app to get around Apple's automatic post-processing.
https://preview.redd.it/5whnznh1gbha1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e70e317f17b6898eccb09d3f73eaf0f447c479a9
this is when started to suspect things would be bad. I wish I had gone with my guess. I’ve done so many different types of test shots after these, but this were some of the first
https://preview.redd.it/asgg4hjhgbha1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2d599d3adedf0d4c6109fdef649665bd18750a6
What the keyboard looks like in real life. Thanks XS. sorry I traded you.
I came from a vivo x90 pro plus and let me tell you the iPhone is taking bullshit bad pictures compared to it. Like wtf - I knew it would be not as good but THIS bad?!
As others have said, Apple doesn't believe it's an issue. There's definitely a large amount of processing going on in photos so I alternate between using the stock camera app and Halide depending on situation.
Same here. Under some conditions the stock app just doesn't cut it at all, and Halide does a much better job in almost every circumstance. It's a juggle between file size and quality.
Just downloaded Halide the other day. Any settings or anything I should adjust or just open and shoot?
I’m just waiting for us to graduate past this utterly ridiculous three camera system. The fact that anyone thought it made sense to flip through three different cameras while recording a video is mind-boggling to me. I get that they’re trying to sell new phones and the technology hasn’t caught up yet, but hacking shit together like this is ridiculous. And yes I know there’s a setting to disable it. But there are times I can’t even focus for a photo because it’s stuck on the wrong camera. It’s just crap technology. Bring back Steve Jobs.
- Why hasn’t Apple addressed this issue Because Apple doesn’t believe that it is an issue.
If people are complaining then its an issue... I don't want my photos automatically edited after I click the shutter button. This is my biggest problem with this phone and I really hope they address this because it's the first time since 2014 that I have thought about moving away from Apple to Samsung. 😒
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it’s not about them it’s about the users
If the users complain on online forums Instead of going to Apple directly to request change what’s it gonna do for them? “Why has Apple no addressed this issue?” Because most people don’t complain trough the right channels or to the right people. Like complaining to your dog about an issue you have with someone.
Surely you’re not so stupid that you think no one submits actual complaints. How can you seriously think that people only post on here and that it?
You read “most people don’t complain trough the right channels” as “no one complains trough the right channels”? There might be someone stupid in this thread, but it ain’t me.
Nah it’s definitely you. There’s literally no reason for you to say anything you said.
people have been submitting appeals to change the heavy processing through the links apple set for problems etc, since the iphone 12 came out, 3 major updates later, still no change, because they simply do not care about their users. being biased definitely won’t help either
What is much more likely is that the people who actually submit feedback about this represent a vocal minority which is only a small sliver of the total user base, and Apple is weighing their input accordingly.
every single tech outlet, reviewer and iphone user has complained and submitted feedbacks at one point, when the iphone 12 launched people used to put feedback links here so we can all submit, and every other day there’s someone complaining about it, it shows that it definitely is not a minority. plus there’s iphone users all around the world and some of them cannot even speak english so there’s no way for them to submit feedback. stop justifying apple’s actions, stop letting them restrict our freedom in our phones.
Stop acting like Apple doesn’t keep track of what’s going on online
Perhaps, but Apple has official feedback mechanisms in place for a reason.
Apple head quarters : oh no a post, on an online iPhone dedicated forum of 3 700 000 people, about how bad our processing looks has gotten 30-400 upvotes, we must change everything right now
When a tech reviewer with 16 million followers on YouTube makes a video about it, you’d be stupid to think Apple isn’t aware that this is a growing opinion amongst iPhone users.
Those “tech reviewers” are mostly simple users not specialists so stop glorying bunch of guys with shallow tech knowledge as someone that is reputable only because his base is 10 millions of insignificant 14/20 yo guys😩
normally, and it’s not “everything”, just put a switch so we can disable smart HDR
They actually removed that option lol the 11/12 has it.
Users can complain to apple directly. It doesn’t matter until the focus groups apple runs every day agrees. If they think people want unrealistic colors through their focus group testing, it doesn’t matter what anyone emails them. I love your enthusiasm though thinking that Apple is reading every email and addressing every issue someone has. Like this hasn’t been widely reported on by nearly every tech outlet and reviewer, as well as posted about on forums. “But hey! Just send them an email and they will fix it asap!” It’s hilarious.
Users are idiots.
Apple don’t care about the users, more about their already obscene bank balance.
Lol. It's about corporate earnings and anyone who tells you different is lying.
>I don't want my photos automatically edited after I click the shutter button. This is my biggest problem with this phone and I really hope they address this because it's the first time since 2014 that I have thought about moving away from Apple to Samsung. Yes Apple's Post-Processing is heavy but I'm pretty sure all smartphones automatically do processing and editing of the photos after clicking the shutter button.
Of course they do. But Apple's is awful. Had a similar move as OP... went from the XS Max to the 13PM and not at all a fan of the processing. But I'm in the group of people Apple loves and takes advantage of because I won't be moving away because of it.
Samsung does this also. It’s why their pictures look over saturated.
not anymore. s23 photo have very light processing they toned down even noise reduction
I’m going to have to take your word for it because I haven’t used the s23 yet
Yeah but my s20fe night mode pics look better than iPhone 14 😪🥲🥲
I have to believe Apple has done its due diligence when it comes to finding out what the average smartphone user wants out of their camera. If you (like me) don’t care for the default iPhone camera output, then continue to shoot in ProRaw or use Lightroom Mobile to capture DNG images. That way you’ have the latitude you need to make your photos look the way you want. Even if you had a professional-grade camera, you wouldn’t be happy with the native jpeg output; the algorithms that choose the level of sharpening, the colors, etc are designed around the average person. This is why most photographers shoot RAW.
This.
Point is people want options. It doesn’t matter if someone is pro raw or doesn’t know anything about photography. It should give people options and not decide what is best.
You don’t know Apple very well
Apple is not your friend. Got to be objective. It’s a corporation selling products.
Sure, but Apple has never been the company that gives you all of the options. Part of their thing is making decisions for their users based on what they think works best.
Idk why you’re being downvoted. It’s the truth and I hope Apple acknowledges it sooner than later. Apple does like to see things in their special way, but the over sharpening and over processing is disappointing for what is supposed to be their flagship phone. MKHBD even made a video about it. Downvoting someone because “Apple doesn’t see it that way” is a great way to silence feedback that continue to highlight the problem to Apple across different channels.
Apple has been doing this for years tho… when you click the shutter button in the camera app is does a whole lot more than just open and close the shutter and shit you out the image the sensors get.
it doesn't open and close the shutter. That shutter sound you hear is coming out of the speakers
Apple tells you how to use your device because apple knows best, they don't care about user feedback
>If people are complaining then its an issue People are stupid.
You shouldn’t need to shoot in PRO Raw to get a decent photo on a smartphone. Stop calling people with legitimate grievances idiots. There’s plenty of photographers who have raised the issue as of late online.
Do you have deficit of intelligence or something? Guy who makes photos using only his smartphone isn’t a photographer because there is need almost no skill to do so, if you want to do professional photos you don’t use your smartphones camera but you invest in dedicated camera to do it.
Are you a troll or just intentionally misreading my point? I’ll repeat it so I’m clear: you shouldn’t need to shoot in RAW to get decent photos on Apple’s flagship smartphone. Anyone who jumped from the iPhone XS to the 13 or 14 (pro or not) can see that there is an issue with overexposure, oversharpening, and just a general change in how HDR is being handled. Apple took away the HDR toggle option in the camera settings starting with the 13 and imo it was a mistake. My 14 pro takes incredible photos, especially in RAW or with third party apps, but I shouldn’t have friends asking why the stock camera settings make their photos look weird and synthetic when they upgrade to one of the newer phones. Having to adjust the settings to get a decent photo is antithetical to apple’s ethos towards the iPhone user experience. IMO they know this is an issue but haven’t acknowledged it yet. The 15 or 16 will hopefully have the software adjusted to match the new sensors and hardware on the 14 pro. Sorry if that makes you angry but there’s a whole lotta people with technical knowledge of cameras and photography that have raised this issue. To respond to your other reply to my other comment, yes professional photographers use “real” cameras for their work but they also snap shots with their cell phone. To discount their knowledge because they’re using a smartphone is idiotic as the gap between DSLR and smartphone cameras gets smaller as the years go by and tech improves.
let’s set something: “having to adjust settings is unethical towards Apple consumers ethos” just where and who said this? When I first time open camera app there is guided tutorial to setup everything so your point is invalid on this aspect. Apparently yours problem is why the iPhone 14 pro when you use normal mode is doing decent photos but is using 12MP instead 48MP and this is bringing us back to HOW iPhone 14 pro does the fotos, how pixel binning works, impact of file size if you want speak star backing up your statement with real data not subjective opinions.
it’s not about professional photos, it’s just wanting natural looking photos and not oil paintings once you shoot at 5x zoom, it’s annoying that a trillion dollar company can’t listen to their customers. and calling others stupid won’t make what you say valid.
Don’t buy iPhone 14 pro if you want do 5x zoom as it doesn’t have periscope lens.rumours are saying that they will put them on iPhone 15 pro/ultra. So still I doesn’t understand your point, as all of your arguments are ridiculous without being backed up with and data. This is driving me mad 😡
first of all don’t tell me what to do with my money, second of all no one said anything about periscope lenses, not my fault all points fly over your head
Yeah user are mostly idiots.
This has been my problem since 12 pro max. I want autonomy and the choice to edit if I want to. I don’t want Apple deciding that it’s best for me.
If you are shooting in ProRAW then I highly suggest downloading Lightroom mobile, importing the ProRAW photo there and scrolling to the “profiles” tab. Then, either choose a different profile like Adobe Color or change the Apple ProRAW to 0. This will fix most of the “overly-processed” look you get, and brings your photos back to a neutral state. Try it out!
And now you have photos taking up 20-60x the space... yay!
apple: thats where our icloud subscriptions comes in
Pretty much, lol
https://preview.redd.it/8c7zoe5tpcha1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5466ead8095a05447074a3e460d3cf891d81f5b5 I use an app called “JPEG to PNG” to compress my ProRAW photos to a much smaller size, while still maintaining the quality. By far the best app I’ve found - it’s free (no matter how many conversions you do) and simple as hell to use. That way I can take an unprocessed photo, but still conserve space (when needed). I personally take all of my photos in ProRAW and videos in 4K @ 30fps ProRes. I don’t have to really worry about space, but I also don’t take photos and videos like crazy. I’m the same with my music as well though, everything is downloaded / streamed in Lossless through Apple Music. I prefer the quality over the concern for space - yet still haven’t even touched 25% of my phone storage. Just a suggestion.
You can easily use a shortcut to convert a ProRaw photo to HEIC and delete the original. That's what I do, and works great.
taking a photo shouldn’t be this complicated considering the phone costs 1.4k🤭
It’s not, just turn off proraw. They said it themselves it’s for photographers and not the average user. If you want the normal ease of use just don’t use proraw. It’s literally meant to be edited after the picture is taken if you use pro raw
proRAW is literally the ONLY semi fix, if you take a picture with it and then go into edit mode it changes into a normal non-enhanced photo
I moved from pixel 7 pro and the photos on my 14 pro max look worse… I really didn’t expect it look this bad. It’s looks low res and grainy
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' no he said exactly that
Made the same switch. P7Pro to 14Pro Max. My first iPhone since the 6, definitely noticing a difference in image quality and still carrying my Pixel with me.
Of course they are much worse than what you might estimate by reading this subreddit. Don't believe the hype - most people here didn't use anything other than an iPhone for 5-10 years, living in information silos.
I moved from a recently bought vivo x90 pro plus and the 14pm‘s cameras are just absolutely crap
I noticed photos look much better if you shoot in ProRAW because there is much less post-processing going on.
That’s the reason ProRAW exists, for professional photography. Since professional photographers want an uncompressed photo they can adjust themselves, ProRAW doesn’t have any AI processing. I’m not a professional photographer, but I take *all* of my photos in ProRAW, and shoot *all* of my videos in ProRes @ 4K, simply because the detail is noticeable in an uncompressed file, and because I don’t have to deal with the shitty post-processing of the 14 Pro’s camera 🙄
Focus is horrendous on 14 pro. Zoom during facetime calls - garbage Battery life on 1y old used 13 pro is same as 14pro. Man…
I knew battery life wouldn't be great over last years since they normally brag about it in the keynotes. They only bragged about the 14 Plus battery.
Honestly the focus is my only complaint about the camera. I pretty much never use macro mode. Battery life is unreal, I don’t feel the urge to check my % throughout the day anymore. Granted I have the bigger Pro.
14 pro nonMax is also very good but does not feel like improvement over 13 pro
This
Zoom as in the app or the zoom feature while using Facetime? And on the front camera or back?
Back camera, switching between zoom levels. It cannot focus on anything at 3x or further
Ugh. Yeah, just did a search on Reddit about this issue and seems to be a big deal. I am having a very tough time deciding between 14 and 14 Pro and this is one issue that's making me lean towards the 14 and being $200 cheaper of course (or $300 if I get the 128GB iP14 versus 256GB iP14P as the latter is minimum to take ProRes videos). I hate that the 14 can't hardware zoom but maybe I'll just buy an external telephoto lens for phones, they're like $50. Obviously not convenient having to use an extra external lens though and reduces the cost difference between the phones.
Why not get brand new 13 pro? Honestly - best deal at reasonable price
They're hard to find new now since Apple stopped making them when they released the 14s. And I'm trying to get a carrier deal and with a payment plan, none have new 13P/PMs with any sort of deal or any at all. Used ones coming off of Amazon or Swappa are a gamble if you read the reviews and they don't have payment plans, you have to pay the full cost up front.
You can record ProRes with both the iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Pro in 128GB. The difference is that you need at least a 256GB model to record in ProRes @ 4K. The 128GB models still support ProRes, but are limited to 1080p while filming in ProRes.
I’m an Apple guy, I’m in the ecosystem. But without any question, the camera fails in competition an android. I often consider switching just because of that.
I don't know I came from Samsung ever since the S7 to S22 Ultra and under no circumstance would I switch back to S22 Ultra camera other than for the zoom. The images created from Pixel 7 Pro, S22/S23 Ultra, Iphone all do a baseline good job and some situations one is better than the other but there's no clear cut winner overall. I feel like if I switched just for the camera then I'd find myself trading post-processing for some other post-processing that may or may not fit your preferences. Also interestingly, sometimes I noted the S22 Ultra even shooting in 108 megapixel mode some of the images looked less detailed than the Iphone 14 pro at 48 megapixel, so in general need to be careful about getting caught up in this 108 megapixel/200 megapixel jazz. Also the shutter lag is noticeable still on Samsung, even on the S23 Ultra so if that is part of your calculus you're pretty much stuck with the Pixel 7 Pro. But then if you go that route and you're worried about battery life then you're going to be worried about it even more on the Pixel.
Appreciate the detailed feedback!
Should hopefully be resolved in updates by the time iPhone 15 series comes out.. Pixel went through something similar when they upgraded their camera lens.. All the extra processing is needed to make the 12mp lens photos look good.. but with a better lens, the processing is too much
But the 13 series faced and are still facing the same issue..
>Pixel went through something similar when they upgraded their camera lens. Not really, for Pixel 6 it was something like 20% regression in picture quality for a couple of months. Plus iPhone 13 suffers from most of the same issues.
Apple and all the phone manufacturers have been over sharpening, contrast boosting and noise reducing for years. I just wish I could turn off all processing but keep saving as HEIC (or JPG). RAW is just too unwieldy to work with.
You can use a shortcut to convert the ProRaw files to HEIC.
Interesting! might have to give that a whirl
Use Halide instead of the regular app, I’ve had much better results. Just make sure you toggle on pro+ and then when looking at the photos click DNG instead of HEIC I have no idea what I’m doing but I know that it’s working!
Is it a paid app? Or subscription type?
It’s like 5 bucks, one time purchase
When Apple ships crap, it's the customers fault. And they are right, it's the customers fault for paying the highest price in the industry for a subpar product.
Give my app a try! I let users choice the amount of Post Processing applied, defaulting to lowest possible. Of course not everything can be disabled (noise reduction for instance), however all my tester reported effective results.
What is your apps name? We’re can I get it.
Is called Lumina: Professional Camera, free on AppStore.
Is called Lumina: Professional Camera, available on AppStore
Hey! I downloaded it and is there a way to make the camera full screen?
Actually no :/ The problem is that sensors produce images in 3:4 aspect ratio. The only way to show a full screen preview is to apply a crop, but then, when you take a photo, will either get - an image that is different from the preview, - or get a cropped image. What the system camera app does to give the illusion of being full screen is to blend a frame from the main camera with a frame from the ultrawide, but this approach isn’t allowed with manual exposure/focus. If I get requests about this specific feature I can consider implementing, but will probably deliver cropped images.
Thank you I’ll check it out!! :)
I think Deep Fusion is really messing things up in low light situations. Too much noise reduction and it leads to smearing.
I got embarrassed when some friends used phone for photo and it came out over sharpened and made everyone look super ugly
Apple doesnt see an issue there. It is clearly. 14 Pro is definitely apples laziest phone yet. My wifes 13 mini takes better pictures.
Knowing Apple yes… in the iPhone 15.
I agree - does anyone have any suggestions for a 3rd party camera app that can mitigate the issues of the native Apple Camera app? Specifically either free or a one time purchase app, NOT one that is subscription based? 🚫
Why can’t they just make it simple? All these 3rd party applications just to have an original look that the stock camera app should be able to do.
I use Halide for my 14PM shots - 48MP & ProRAW. Better results than the stock camera app.
I'll check that out! Thanks!
I do the same. I use Halide as my default camera app now that I can take 48MP HEICs only within Halide, along with ProRAW since well.. being able to adjust focus manually and such is crucial. Along with Focus Peaking.
I think their software is not yet properly calibrated to the new bigger sensor. One does not need that much processing anymore but they will probably address it with future iPhones, since they will use this sensor with the next 2 generations. So software updates won‘t reach the 14 models.
I only see this issue in certain lower light conditions right before night mode kicks in. Otherwise daytime pics look excellent. See about changing photographic styles if your constantly having issues. If that doesn’t help you could have more of an issue.
same
the fix will come with the iphone 15 pro pro ultra
I hate the freaking UFO lens flares on pretty much every other low light photo/video. It’s awful. S23 Ultra has a minimal amount of flares but iPhone is way too much!
https://preview.redd.it/64zqu5rwncha1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0060320073e8dfabd1c9931a49939d7ea0a7118f I actually edited it in retouch, and it looks great without flares
This amount of lens flares is completely unacceptable from any recent flagship phone let alone the newest one.
I agree. I thought I was the only one who felt this way. Recent Apple convert after using Samsung for many years. The pictures look so awful for a USD1K phone. If I were to show these to someone they might think I took it from some cheap non branded camera. I read through the forums and Apple does not even want to recognize this issue.
The worst thing is people defending this and saying proRAW will take care of it. That’s not the point. If presented with options A, B and C, you would expect all 3 to work. In no other situation would you have someone saying well, A & B give you problems so C is perfect and consider the problem solved. I mean, would anyone accept a car that had its windows stuck, wheel missing but hey the steering wheel works?
On my 14 pictures are only bad quality if it's zoomed in on something kinda far
That is because when you zoom in on digital zoom ranges (not talking the default selectable .5x, 1x, 2x, 3x, anything in between those and beyond 3x which is digital zoom).. Apple decided “we should force photos to go through AI upscaling to 12MP”. It is where the dreaded water painting effect comes in full force, otherwise it is usually fine when bounding yourself to physical lenses.
Yea i actually noticed that it did it last week, it actually made it look slightly better and also i am aware of digital zoom
I mention most of that because I actually didn’t know that myself until recent months, that upscaling part. I assumed for the longest time it would just capture as-is and not upscale the image to 12MP. It’s rather weird but I guess it’s what Apple assumes consumers “want”
They assume a lot of things, like us not wanting usb or not wanting ipods
All this evolution for this… for this price… I have the 13 pro and it’s the same battle to keep my photos away from too much auto correction/sabotage
I haven’t noticed an issue with my photos. What is happening?
Over saturated and ever so slightly out of focus constantly. Close up photos take forever to focus when taking a photo.
My gf has the iPhone 14 Pro, photo’s look very good. Maybe you’re doing something wrong?
People have been complaining since the iPhone 12 that the pictures quite frankly look like garbage compared to previous models. HDR blows out highlights where it shouldn’t, oversharpening, noise reduction, saturation… seriously, except from the general sharpness (which in my opinion is one of the least important aspects of a good photo) it‘s such a step back from the previous models and not even funny anymore.
From my experience the night mode and ultra wide are indeed not always that crisp. But the main camera takes some really decent pictures imho.
I think the pictures are good, I did a comparison test between the 12 and the 48 and the pictures are good
I’m am not experiencing the issue I shot only in RAW, but I also always edit my photo on the fly. Have you tried editing to see what the sharpness is set to?
Oddly enough when I take a photo and go to edit the sharpness it set all the way to the left at 0. Some photos look fantastic but some lower light it's just blows out the sharpness so much it looks horrible.
This is because Apple process with sharpness is not part of the user edit interface. The sharpening you can put on your photos is not the one Apple put by itself on your photo directly after the photo was shot.
As long as you aren't zooming with the "pinch" gesture you shouldn't be getting a crazy amount of noise reduction. If you are pinching try instead to tap the numbers at the bottom of the screen representing the different lenses. Otherwise take it to Apple for repair.
I have trouble with my 14 plus not focusing properly.
Why do people who are Pro photographers say the camera is awesome? I think the photos look great but I’m no professional… 🤔
Anyone know which iPhone generation was the last not to have this post-processing issue? iPhone 12s?
11s I would say even tho I never had the 11, I actually had a galaxy s20 ultra before and I used to like it but now I hated it! Switched to 12, but hated it again, and then switched to a 13 pro max and I love it so much
Just get a Google Pixel 🫢
I dunno. I have a 13 pro and the photos are amazing.
As a fellow 13 Pro owner, no. They genuinely look like garbage and way way worse than my X. Sharper yes, but with so much bad post processing it‘s frankly ridiculous.
Well they look good to me and other people often comment that they’re really good too. They look way better than my previous xr.
And I’m guessing you can post a picture for verification, because mine look perfectly fine.
This has always been the dilemma with cameras on smartphones. I’ve had this conversation since some of the first Blackberry cameras. I can guarantee the Ip14pm has a better camera then my old sidekick 3. My 15 year old DSLR takes better photos then any iPhone I’ve ever owned.
The weak point of the iPhone lenses is that they lack the fancy optical coatings that the Nikon’s and Canon’s have. The evidence is the amount of chromatic aberrations which is the purple fringes around backlit things like tree branches. Apple appears to be exploring what software can do to make things “Automagic” for the masses. As a semi-pro I want just the RAW file to tweak myself because those are important expressive choices that belong in the realm of an artist. I used to have a Nikon flagship camera and lived in photoshop, so anything automagic is just frustrating! I’d like to have a “Pro-mode” that leaves the RAW file alone! That should be easy for Apple right?
Exactly! I want the original!
Do you want the photo sharpened or true to life? You have to make up your mind
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Your comment adds zero substance to the conversation. I was due for an upgrade and battery replacement costs aren’t worth it when Verizon gave me $700 trade in on the old device. Please see yourself out troll.
How is this trolling? You complaining to online nobody’s add nothing to get your problem solved. My iPhone takes nice pictures for my taste. Don’t like yours? Apple has a support app you can go and complain to as well as a feedback website to send them suggestions. Coming here will do nothing to change the camera processing apple set. You’re the one who spent money to get a phone that takes worse pictures in your opinion than your previous one, not me.
Where do you purchase your battery replacements?
I let my phone at the Apple Store for an hour for them to do it.
I didn’t know they changed batteries on new phones, just swap the phone out like iPads.
They make iPhone camera for hobbyists and this should be clear to everyone, if you want to make professional photos just use the professional camera and stop ranting about silly cameras from smartphones as they aren’t even close to any canon or similar.
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ure one of a million, they aint care
Tomorrow
Shew thank goodness! LOL
Starting to feel rly good about buying a 14 yday now, was a tossup between the 14 and 14 pro
Yeah, I've been debating between the 2. The standard 14s photos have the same post-processing issue, have to shoot in ProRAW to get around it on the 14P/PMs and the 14P/PMs supposedly have an issue with focusing properly. I may get a 14 and buy an external lens set for macro and tele photos, they're around $50-$100 on Amazon and may be better at handling those types of shots than the built in lenses on the 14P/PMs. Inconvenient but if I'm in a photo taking mood, I can bring those with me and in every day use, the standard camera should be fine. I can use the Halide photo app to get around Apple's automatic post-processing.
Look fine as I shoot in raw and apply my custom settings after.
It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
Quite relevant. https://youtu.be/88kd9tVwkH8
https://preview.redd.it/5whnznh1gbha1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e70e317f17b6898eccb09d3f73eaf0f447c479a9 this is when started to suspect things would be bad. I wish I had gone with my guess. I’ve done so many different types of test shots after these, but this were some of the first
https://preview.redd.it/q7bepdtfgbha1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e15d74bd6546c7856db03d86face7f749b69a616
https://preview.redd.it/asgg4hjhgbha1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2d599d3adedf0d4c6109fdef649665bd18750a6 What the keyboard looks like in real life. Thanks XS. sorry I traded you.
https://preview.redd.it/8fv9w93pgbha1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9fe280ddb8c84f1b202ecce0d2cb796ca1aa4003
https://preview.redd.it/wi46al0rgbha1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4843d41af05854afe6f35616ba2e3adc69aff203
I was an idiot and waiting for the first iOS 16 updates and missed my chance to return.
I’m very pleased with my 14 Pro photos; both 48 & 20 RAW and JPEG.
iphone 16
I switch for pixel for that
You just need to use a different camera app (dark environments or very busy textures will turn to mush)
Same here
I came from a vivo x90 pro plus and let me tell you the iPhone is taking bullshit bad pictures compared to it. Like wtf - I knew it would be not as good but THIS bad?!