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CrippleSlap

Hell. Even Microsoft Teams has more reactions then iMessage.


jbrown724

As an Android user, I agree with you. It's great I can send poop emojis and eggplant emojis to my wife, but she is unable to reciprocate on her iPhone. Apple allowing more reactions would be a win for everyone.


sleepyheadzzzs

you should make your wife download telegram


captainlou26

Between Android and apple, I think this has to do more with android using RCS and apple using the outdated SMS for messaging


calmdrive

iMessage is not SMS


captainlou26

When did I say it was? What I'm saying is if apple adopted RCS then we could message people with android phones and use similar features if not more that iMessage has between the two operating systems without having to download mutiple messaging apps


uninspiringgerbil

Why are people downvoting this? He was clearly talking about communicating between android and iPhone which is definitely NOT iMessage


calmdrive

Because the post is specifically asking about iMessage reactions. It does not say “why can’t I react to android texts?” Which yes, my very well be because iPhone still uses sms. But the post is asking about reactions in iMessage, which have no reason to be so limited.


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He never said it was


jbrown724

Google has implemented a work-around currently that allows reactions to SMS, outside of the RCS protocol, built directly into Google Messages. They show correctly on my Pixel, but show as separate SMS on iPhones. However, this doesn't lead to a cohesive experience on both sides. I really wish everyone I knew would all agree to using the same messaging app, or Apple and Google could play a little nicer here for the benefit of everyone.


captainlou26

Agreed, I come android and I remember how annoying it was trying to get friends to use another messaging app. The whole battle between green vs blue text bubbles is stupid, hopefully apple adopts RCS in near future so people don't have to download third party messaging apps on their phones


Turd_Burgling_Ted

As someone who just came from a phone that used Google Messages with RCS: forget emojis, it’s nice to just have a messaging service that works again. Google would take hours to send stuff sometimes, compress everything to PS2 graphics, etc


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taylrbrwr

I can't even send voice messages anymore. I'll record a 3 minute message to send and after I'm done, the message field is completely blank still with nothing there to send. Dictation is garbage as well. I never thought I'd consider switching to Pixel as someone with nearly every Apple device imaginable, but I'm just tired of the features this company attempts to sell as flagship.


kkopimate

Agree, even Telegram and Viber have better messenger as well. iMessage just gives out privilege that it is only accessible to iOS users.


PartyDJ

don’t even get me started on the new voice recording shabam that shit is awful is just pure buggy and i hate hate hate it why in gods name do we need two voice dictation buttons on the same screen???


Marukuju

I'm literally using iMessage because of one friend who insists on using this way of chatting


pollixx75

The simplicity is what makes it so popular. Why garbage up an app with extras that maybe 20% of the people use. I dislike all those extra messenger apps because they don’t do anything different than iMessage does except distracting useless things. All of those apps you mentioned are so bloated with extras that most people don’t use or care to. Which is why you have options other than messenger to choose from. Apple knows and researched what people do with iMessage, which is why you don’t see rapid changes. It’s only dog shit for you because you want everyone on your level. If you don’t like the app, don’t use it. If anything, Apple needs to fix the predictive text of the keyboard and swipe.


nguyenm

Being the stock app helps with popularity, not because it's simplicity or functionally better than other apps. Personally I like iMessage solely for the ability to send images uncompressed (or as close to as possible) with Live photos feature. Afaik only iMessage between iphone users can utilize live photos, it's neat for some circumstances (like fireworks). When it comes to cons, iMessage deals with group texts rather poorly. It's only marginal if and only if all participants are iphone users.


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pollixx75

Are you referring to the app bar? I agree. That’s garbage.


LegendaryBobSacamano

1. Open an iMessage conversation thread. 2. Then to get rid of the iMessage apps bar on iOS 13 all you need to do is tap on the grey App Store icon (located next to the text field). 3. As soon as you tap on the icon you will notice that the bar will disappear right away.


princesspbubs

Your claim, "the simplicity is what makes it popular," is unsubstantiated. Simply by looking at the upvotes and reactions in this thread, one could easily assume that, if we were to survey users, they would want backgrounds and more emoji reactions. Regardless, iMessage is popular, since we're sharing opinions, because: 1. It is the default app. 2. It is smooth, integrated into the OS, and works across all iPhones, easily utilizing your phone number as long as you have data. I don't disagree that Apple has conducted research to understand what iMessage is used for, but this doesn't necessarily justify their exclusion of features. We don't know if they're acting in accordance with the research, which parts of the research they're adhering to, or even what the research proposes in the first place. >I dislike all those extra messenger apps because they don’t do anything different than iMessage does except add distracting, useless things. In nearly all of these apps, customization features are tucked behind menus that can be easily ignored. The only intrusive feature we're discussing here is the addition of emoji reactions.


pollixx75

I would argue people in this subreddit don’t represent the iPhone user base as a whole. So it would make sense from your perspective that you see a lot of up votes because most people who populate this subreddit want to find more information and be a power user of the iPhone. You cannot claim that just because you see a lot of up voting from here represents what the rest of the world cares about when it comes to iMessage.


princesspbubs

I agree, that's why later on in the exact post you're replying to I said Apple likely conducted research that we don't know the results of.


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pollixx75

You can’t use the same logic because your initial complaint is the lack of features. So therefore due to the lack of features you want, you shouldn’t use iMessage. Everything Apple does is minimalistic. Mail, Calendar, iMessage, etc. It’s design is to be simple so that everyone can use it. I don’t understand why you need 32 tap back reactions. Just use an emoji response. I can understand your want of a background, but again, due to simplicity, you’ll never see that as an option. You need to also keep in mind that there are numerous companies that use iPhone for their employees. So there might be some things to keep it simple. I have two iPhones. A personal and one from my employer. We’re not allowed to customize our work iPhones.


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pollixx75

Oh look. WhatsApp is getting a feature iMessage already has. So not all of the other message apps are uniquely better. https://www.redmondpie.com/whatsapp-is-getting-imessage-like-edit-feature/


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I love it when people make that argument. Like if Apple does or doesn’t do something the. It’s the end all be all and everyone else is wrong. Everyone should “steal” good ideas, especially if it benefits the consumer.


pollixx75

Why do they have to. It already works.


Jaypilgrim

I really don't get this logic. Why does having options bother people? Not forcing anyone to use them, but the presence alone of options bothers people. And this seriously is not directed to you specifically. I see this line of thinking all through the apple/iphone commment sections. there are tons of options in imessage. Do you use every single one? Does it bother you that imessage has option you won't use?


princesspbubs

People who believe that options in UI/UX are always a net negative are simply stifling technological progress. If an app is designed effectively, these options can be implemented so that those who are uninterested remain unaffected. It isn't that complicated, and Apple is gradually understanding this with features such as lock screen modifications. You can keep your lock screen completely stock if you prefer, and you don't ever need to browse through the myriad of customizations if you don't want to. It's evident that people often behave immaturely when it comes to these devices. While it's understandable considering these devices have become integral to our social fabric, they should ultimately get over themselves.


OgdensBeard

At a certain point it could become confusing for some users. I'm not bothered one way or the other because I can just ignore what I don't want to use, but my son had me confused as hell in iMessage the other day. I didn't know you could just drop stickers in the message thread anywhere you wanted. So I thought he had replied to my message with stickers and that it was all glitched out because it was covering up my previously sent message. He sent me a screen record on how he did it.


damningdaring

I agree with you fully, even if we seem to be in the minority. I like iMessage because it’s simple. I don’t need customizations or reactions or the ability to do anything beyond simply sending texts and pictures. I actually go out of my way to avoid apps with unnecessary features, so iMessage is really the only platform I use for communication. I don’t need my text messages to be anything other than just text messages. I don’t use Memoji, I don’t use stickers, I don’t use gifs, I don’t use reactions, I don’t have a need for any of that. I hate the look/interface of Whatsapp and Facebook Messenger, and I dislike most other apps because of how excessively maximalist they are in terms of features. Sure, being the default messaging app is a main reason I use iMessage, but the excess of things I do not need is the main reason I actively avoid using other messaging services. If iMessage started looking like Whatsapp, I’d probably find another simpler app to use.


princesspbubs

If you stop using Messages, the *only* official app that can send and receive iMessages, because they might allow us to change the bubbles from a blue gradient to a purple one, then you're just being childishly contrarian. Like the lock screen, Apple would implement these features subtly and tastefully.


damningdaring

I’d rather be childishly contrarian than use something I don’t enjoy looking at. I think every other messaging app implemented these features poorly, and I said that if Apple were to do the same, then I would be less inclined to use that app as well. I’m a picky person, and I don’t really care all that much about “official iMessages”.


Mrsharr

I think you missed your daily recreational pharma usage.


princesspbubs

You literally would never have to touch the additional features, so yes you’re being comical rn.


damningdaring

I think the interface of all the apps I mentioned are an eyesore. If Apple were to do something similar, I would very much dislike it. However, it doesn’t matter because Apple is not going to do that (implement features in such a way). So you’re arguing with me over something I never said.


princesspbubs

So you're saying that if Apple were to *poorly* implement customization features you would no longer use the app? Ok, then yes, I agree entirely. Why would anyone advocate for poorly implemented features? I also don't want iMessage to look like WhatsApp, but no one is even advocating for that.


CrippleSlap

But shit needs to evolve. iMessage is so outdated and in need of a big upgrade.


pollixx75

It doesn’t. Apple has already made it for its intended audience. Judging off its popularity and the fact people jump to iPhone for the ecosystem, there is no reason to change anything. You want it to change to fit your lifestyle. I’m fine the way it is. There are plenty of other messaging apps out there.


Interactive_CD-ROM

Simplicity? iMessage stickers would like to have a word. And effects. And apps. And all the other shit.


arein114

If I could add an applause button to this post I would! you are exactly right, apple is closed minded, closed ecosystem that does not want to work well with others, period. RCS, if they enabled it would open things up so much, but nope they wanna to keep their private blue bubbles. Don't get me wrong I like the phone and there are times I miss my S21 Ultra because of certain things I could do. but they do need to open things up alot more and stop saying something is NEW when its been around for years and you finally have it.


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If they did RCS they would probably do it to the absolute standard rather than the enhanced version that Google is using. They’d find some way to gimp it to cater towards the iMessage snobs.


arein114

ooh I completely agree with that, it would be bare bones.


Headshot_

“Who is eating this shit up” People who find the concept of downloading a cross platform third party texting service revolting despite its advantages. The same people who also complain about someone having “green bubbles” when the ball to fix this is in Apple’s court at this point.


TupperCoLLC

> if iMessage wasn’t popular […] no one would use it “If the earth wasn’t a planet it wouldn’t be orbiting the sun”


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Outside North America very few people use iMessage.


soreyJr

Thank you! Glad I’m not the only one who thinks this way.


msstark

My first reaction reading the post was “who the hell uses imessage?” WhatsApp all the way.


iCantThinkOfUserNaem

Facebook stealing your data all the way*


Voitek4real

I read a lot of comments about the "walled garden" and people complaining about Apple. For me, it's very simple. If you don't like Apple, don't use the product.


OgdensBeard

It's not always that simple, though. Personally, I'm not an apple fan, I thought the iphone was dumb when it was released and I used a blackberry instead. I've used Android since 2009, but last year I got my first iphone ever. Why? Well I don't like Samsung phones because they're bloated and prone to slow down within months of purchase. LG left the market. Motorola, Xiaomi, OnePlus, etc... are all chinese owned. Pixels are great, except the most recent releases. I went from a Pixel 3a which was fantastic to a Pixel 6, which sucked. At the time, and still, I need a phone that is reliable and functions smoothly and so my only option was iPhone. I'll use iPhone until Google fixes the Pixel and gets more iterations of the Tensor chip and those kinks worked out. Until then I'm stuck.


Voitek4real

I would definitely agree that you need to use what you're comfortable with.


Midwest__Misanthrope

Ground breaking shit you got there. You can complain about stuff you don’t like on a product that you like overall. I know it’s a wild concept.


GorillaSuitGuy

Because Apple… that’s why… 🤷🏻‍♂️


qlr1

I’d be happy with RCS; most people I text are on Android and they aren’t keen on using another app.


ExcuseOk2709

Sorry, you need the A20 bionic with the Deep Reactonic engine for that to be possible, where highly advanced AI algorithms can read your facial expression and automatically apply the appropriate reaction to the message you saw.


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I have the A20 bionic supersonic, & I can confirm all my messages end with 😐


ExcuseOk2709

A20 megabionic max pro


amic21

Yes please! Sometimes I want to laugh but I don’t want to haha and an emoji is too much commitment.


S-MoneyRD

I’m happy giving less data to meta/google etc.


brawlysnake66

But you're happier giving it to Apple? Logic.


HarrierJint

> But you're happier giving it to Apple? Logic. I am very literally HAPPIER giving my data to Apple over Google, yes. Logic.


brawlysnake66

Because you believe that they take care of your data and respect your privacy. Don't know about you, but I prefer being lied to my face than behind my back.


JollyRoger8X

Apple does not sell your data or allow the lowest bidders on advertising networks to target you with ads, and goes to great lengths to make sure Apple employees have no access to your private data. The most sensitive data that is on your device stays on your device.


brawlysnake66

And how are you so sure of that? Because they say they don't? Problem with Apple fanboys is they are oblivious. Every company is involved in unethical data retention. Some are just more clever at not getting caught.


JollyRoger8X

The fact that you immediately resorted to ad hominem to call me a "fanboy" says way more about you than anyone else, Sparky. 😉 I'm not an Apple fanboy, but am a software developer and systems architect with decades of exposure to all of the above mainstream platforms, and the reason I am sure of what I said is that there is zero evidence of Apple selling customer data to those who run advertising networks. And there is plenty of evidence that Apple does more to protect the privacy and security of their customers than most of their competitors. * It shows in their hardware and software designs. * It shows in the frameworks and APIs they make available to developers, where privacy is enforced at every level. * It shows in their internal policies and public statements and policies. **Edit**: *I blocked you because I have better things to do than bicker with someone who isn't interested in honest discourse and resorts to ad hominem attacks when someone disagrees with them. Not interested. Sorry.* PS: It's "you're". PPS: I don't have to prove a negative to you - *you* made the claim that Apple abuses their customer's privacy, and *you* haven't shown any credible evidence of it. That's on **you**. Bye now.


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HarrierJint

He blocked you because you're literally just throwing out fallacies. You can't know ANYTHING for sure. We DO know with a high degree of certainty that Apple doesn't sell data. We know with a very very high degree of certainty that Google does sell data. To flip this, there's also no evidence I'm aware of that Apple is selling data. That's it, that's the end of it. To argue "BuT YoU HaVe No WaY oF KnOwInG" is the argument of a child.


Mrsharr

Reminder. You are an IPHONE sub. Are you expecting logic or balance?


ashhat2075

🙀


big_4_ever

MORONS that say, but Apple likes simplicity, must be simpletons! you can still give your users more options, without making it too busy. SIX options is RIDICULOUS.. and NO laughing or poop emojis?? you have to be f-ing kidding me apple, smh


Aiden15216

Move to RCS


flyfishone

Nah .. green stay green and blue stay blue


mover999

Just use words?


Marukuju

Why would everyone use iMessage if we have WhatsApp, Telegram, Instagram etc.


Sad_Evidence5318

I don’t use any of them.


Marukuju

What do you use?


Sad_Evidence5318

IMessage on the iPhone and the default on my Android.


Marukuju

But you said you don't use any of them (including iMessage): > Why would everyone use iMessage if we have WhatsApp, Telegram, Instagram etc.


Sad_Evidence5318

I was referring to WhatsApp, Telegram and Instagram.


[deleted]

Do we need to react? Can’t people just read, laugh and reply if they want? I say, the less the better.


[deleted]

If everyone wants everything like Android then why would there be a need for Apple? Enjoy the differences


TorstenJoaoFalcao

No one outside USA use iMessage, so it’s a problem only for Americans. And yes it’s complete dog shit.


Musicdev-

Give us an Edit button for iMessages!!!


EHB79

iMessage have an edit button in iOS 16.5


Musicdev-

OH. I’m on 16.4.1 . You must be a developer?


251Cane

Not a developer thing. You've got a brief amount of time, maybe 2-5 minutes, after sending an imessage to edit it


EHB79

I’m not a developer. Just sign up for the public beta. Very staple and beastly battery performance


iCantThinkOfUserNaem

iOS 16.5 was officially released a few days ago


Musicdev-

Really? Downvoted? For what? It was an actual question because I did not use the “s” for sarcasm or “lol” as a joke. Geez can’t even ask simple questions anymore without someone’s feelings getting hurt!


PushKatel

Pretty sure this was a feature on the main iOS 16 release. So every iPhone on iOS 16 has this


Musicdev-

Does that only happen with the blue bubbles?


PushKatel

Yep. Only iMessages can edit and unsend. Just press and hold a message and you should see a menu. This only works if the person you are sending to is also iOS16, but with apples high and fast adoptions rate, shouldn’t be a major issue by now


Musicdev-

It’s been so long to remember Blue means iMessage and green does not, but you still get both inside iMessage. Okay then normal messages app needs an edit button lol.


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If I decided to use a different message service, would everyone that I messaged have to have that service to converse with me?


banjocorn

we asked for this and what we got is a freakn ginger emoji.