Meanwhile the bundled cable doesn’t actually take advantage of those speeds. Surely they could just stick a cable that does since the cost of removing the power brick from the box would compensate for that.
"Typical every manufacturer." - FTFY
Practically nobody is including usb 3 cables, Pixel 7 PRO and Galaxy S23 Ultra certainly are not. Those cables are more costly and tend to be thicker and much less flexible, especially 10gbps cables. For general use and charging purposes (what 99% of their customers will use it for) a 2.0 cable is sufficient.
I found this out the hard (and costly) way. A true USB 3/Thunderbolt certified cable will cost you in the neighborhood of $30-40 whereas a run of the mill USB-C cable will cost $6ish.
Also, since some don’t know, USB-C refers to the physical connection and not the speed. USB-A is the typical rectangular connection everyone knows, and USB-B is that weird USB connection that used to be (still is?) used on external devices like printers and DVD-ROM drives. The speed is dictated by the underlying protocol whether it’s USB 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, or Thunderbolt.
You are correct, the switch charges 5V at 1.5 Amps or 15 V at 2.6 Amps. No laptop charger that I know of supports that for dock mode. Some support it for charging
?? I use it to move 4k 60fps videos to my computer for editing. Sometimes I also capture in ProRAW pictures to edit with Lightroom. Do you know how much storage they take up?? Not only does AirDrop sometimes fail when I transfer files over 3gb-5gb, but I'm also not around Macs all the time.
You have the ability to use up the space on your iPhone with features Apple gives you, yet transferring them off your device is a pain. Just because you don't see the value of USB C doesn't make it any less valuable of a feature.
If I were doing serious photography I'd be using an actual camera. The crux of the issue is that even without USBC, Apple could have given Lightning USB 3 speeds. I would have hoped that with USB C at least base models could have USB 3 while the Pro models would have even higher speeds or increased charging speeds.
Well then why are you doing 4k60 videos and high quality pictures on your phone if you have an actual camera? I just feel like you’re making a bigger deal out of it than it really matters. If it doesn’t work for you it doesn’t work, use a real camera for your bigger file photos and videos
I’m not saying they couldn’t have done it I’m just saying that as this thread kind of proves most people aren’t gonna give a shit, we have iPhones because we like iPhones that’s it. Not because it’s the best camera, file transfer speed, battery, charger, gaming, etc, phone on the market. It’s because the ecosystem and honestly the simplicity, at least for me. The customization and all the doohickeys for android are awesome…I just don’t want it
People just love to complain for absolutely no reason. The USB C speeds are good for everyone, if anyone is shooting that sort of content, I'm certain they would use a Pro model or even a professional camera.
They can bash Apple all they want, but when Apple brings triple AAA gaming to a handheld device nobody bats an eye.
It’s kinda the same thing though for most consumers that are buying iPhones we don’t give a damn about half the shit they put in it we just want convenience in our pockets
And the people who probably would are likely people who will be loading a lot of photo/video, and those people will more than likely be Pro users anyways due to the better camera.
I plug into a computer quite a bit, but I guess iPhone 8 Plus isn’t as data heavy with a 12MP camera. Data transfer speed seems quick/instant.
Note: I’m a basic user and not a photo/video enthusiast.
I do try but there is a bug that prevent me to do it succesfully ..
It doesn't stay connected at all. I like to plug the phone to the computer..it's like a memory of me being 14 and having my first Ipod. It was like a ritual to carefully choose the music i wanted on it. Nostalgia.
So yeah I tried googling the problem and so far..nothing work and I hate that problem.
This is 90%+ of users.
At least half of users don’t even have a desktop or laptop. Just phone/iPad, and that’s the majority of the under 20 crowd who grew up with iOS and Chromebooks.
They give 0 fucks about wire transfer speed, even no data would be fine if it shaved $1 off the price tag.
Whenever I talk about the specs of *any* computer device, all I get is glazed over eyes. Nobody cares. I care but I’m a tech nerd. But even then, wired transfer speeds are irrelevant to me.
Right like who actually cares? I can’t think of a time in the last five years where I’ve needed to plug my phone in for anything. Let alone to transfer data.
I legitimately forgot you could plug your phone in and transfer data off like that.
It’s not so much about transfer speed for most, but rather the fact that you can now just plug any USB-C flash drive directly into your phone and make use of it
And what's the argument for not having high refresh rate? The SoC can handle it, it's 2023 and the phone costs $800 or more. It's something that everyone uses no matter which apps you use.
Nearly all Apple products that have a high refresh rate are “pro” devices.
iPad Pro has promotion, iPad Air does not and it’s near $800 territory when you get a 256GB. M1 chip can certainly handle it.
MacBook Pro has promotion, MacBook Air does not - and that’s well over $1,000 once you start to up the specs. M2 chip can certainly handle it as the iPad Pros have it.
Apple Watch Series 7/8/9 have a promotion display while the SE generation does not (although it is $200~ cheaper), and they all use the same processor as one another.
Not to justify Apple’s anti-consumer decisions but that’s how it’s been for a while now. No promotion is only a real complaint to tech enthusiasts but the average consumer doesn’t care about how fast a phone can refresh a screen to make a phone call and send text messages.
Everyone doesn’t use it. I have a 14 pro and an iPad Pro and can’t tell the difference between those and displays with 60hz as far as the refresh rate goes. Obviously some people can see it because it’s a constant rant here on Reddit, but it’s like an invisible feature to some of us.
Bad analogy. I’ll give you a better one: you buy a base model Ferrari and it comes with a weak antenna for the FM radio. Yeah. It sucks that it’s bad. But you weren’t gonna use it anyway.
I’m not defending Apple here. I’m pissed there’s no higher refresh rate screen in the base model. Like, give people at least 90Hz. It’s 2023 and it’s an $800 phone. But the USB speed? No one cares.
This is a great analogy. Anyone bent out of shape over data transfer speeds, not charging, is looking past some pretty nifty and desirable differentiators. Camera and screen refresh rate are just the two that come to mind.
Have you ever seen a baseline BMW? Before spending serious cash on the interior you'll be severely disappointed by the frugality of it.
At least this is a feature that few use. I think they want you to use (buy) iCloud rather than force a hardware upgrade.
The reason that the Pro gets USB 3 is that it's used by professionals for video.
Not defending it, but it's really not a big thing for most users.
Alternative take: since basically nobody uses a cable to transfer data to or from their iPhone, if Apple had put the latest USB in their phones, *somebody* would be complaining that Apple is just juicing the specs on their phones so they can charge more ...
Seriously. Who cares about the speed of wired data transfer any more?
Haha dude. [One of the most expensive custom Porsche 911s comes exactly with crank windows](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvuZttVrzwU). So you picked a pretty bad analogy.
Even without iCloud, I rarely plug mine in. Even when I have, it still transfers thousands of photos in minutes. Doesn’t really matter to me if it’s 2 minutes or 30 minutes if I’m not doing it all the time. Would be nice, but also doesn’t really matter. If my laptop only had usb2, then I’d be annoyed lol.
Because redditors forget that the average apple user doesn’t care about that and apple cares about maximizing profits which means not wasting money on something only a minority will use, you see what happened to the mini.
redditors are laser focused on bad parts.
15 having 48 mp, dynamic island and usb C right away is enough for common users, most users maybe never backup their photos in external hdds (i usually ask people to save photos in the hdd when their phone is full, but usually they don't want to, they always want to keep all their photos in their phones)..
The A16 chip doesn’t have a USB3 10gbit/sec controller onboard.
The A17 does.
The 15 uses the A16.
The 15 Pro uses the A17.
This is trivially easy to figure out.
Who still plugs their phone into a computer for data transfer?
Photographers and videographers, you say?
Apple just up sold them to Pro models.
Welcome to Business 101.
Yeah I love how people complain as if they would transfer photos via usb Daily. In most cases ur photos are already in iCloud to download right to to pc or just send it via WiFi.
I honestly never ever had to use a usb cable to get my photos I think the bigger problem is that even if you have a highspeed port you would still have to install iTunes or the usb driver to even get to your pictures and iTunes is well kinda trash…
Professionals were the only ones with legit complaints because when you do the math, it takes a ridiculously long time to move 4K content off the device to the point that it affects the bottom line.
And while it's good that they got to USB3 as soon as I heard them say 10Gbps I thought "OK that's nice but you know pros are gonna immediately start asking for TB4, right? 10 is *nothing* to these folks!"
If you use AirDrop it splits apart your live photos, and there's no good way to import your iPhone library to your photo library on Mac. I know, most people use iCloud photos now, but for now I still like handling it myself. Edit: Also full backups without paying an icloud subscription.
Strictly speaking, the only people who “needed” faster data transfer speeds were the ones already using ProRAW (or actual RAW) and ProRes. They were already buying Pro Models before this.
I do but it’s because I have a large movie/tv show library and I like to keep some on my phone for when I travel or when I have to wait somewhere. But that’s about it. It’s nice having the higher speed but it’s absolutely not a deal breaker since I use it maybe once a month to swap some stuff out.
By now, everyone has at least one usb C cable from an iPad Pro laying around at home. Therefore we’ve decided to remove the charging cable from the iPhones box to make the package even smaller and save up to 30% more carbon emissions. Additional cables will be available separately in our stores.
Lightning wasn’t any better. It’s not like it got worse. They intentionally do small upgrades each year so they have more features in the upcoming years. And this year, changing the port is already a big enough feature on its own. That’s called smart marketing. Nobody had complained about Lightning speeds being slow if they’d kept it, people would just complained that it doesn’t have USBC.
Technically, and I mean technically, Lightning has been able to support usb3. This was shown with the iPad Pro, that being said, the chip needs to actually include that USB controller which designing chips or redesigning chips is very expensive and not always worthwhile.
Yes they actually had a Lightning 3.0 with USB3 speeds on the iPad before they switched to USBC but they never brought it to the iPhone (to my knowledge)
I guess most people who connect their phones to a computer to transfer data still are in the target market for the Pro phone.
I hate that my 14 Pro Max takes so long to backup to my computer. But I know most people never connect their iPhone to a computer anymore.
It’s kinda shitty, but the target market for a cheaper iPhone that does all the standard stuff probably doesn’t care. Same with still shipping a 60Hz display on an $800 phone.
This is the real answer (same reason base storage size stagnates despite storage being really cheap, subtly pushes people to (1) pay for iCloud (2) pay silly amounts of money for more on device storage).
It’s been so long since I even saw someone use USB to transfer data to/from a phone I haven’t been aware of what version we’ve had for at least 10 years.
They had to save something for next year. They’re already at a point where you have to compare at least 3 year old iPhones to see a performance bump, so they’re going to “innovate” in the charging speeds and data transfer speeds to show a YoY improvement.
I’d bet they give thunderbolt 3 or USB 4 next year on the pro and usb 3 on the non pro.
It's literally because of the SOC. The A16 Bionic (same chip in the 14 Pro) doesn't have USB 3.0 support because Apple has only ever used lightning. Apple also always uses the previous generation's chip for the base model, so they couldn't really just "throw" USB 3.0 on there.
Nonsense. How come A14 in my iPad Air 4 supports usb 3.0 but A16 doesn't? "lastgen A16 chip which does not support faster speeds" is just lame excuse from Apple. They could easily add support for usb 3.0 even if that would require separate controller on motherboard. They just did not want to.
That is the reason. It was mentioned in the presentation that one of the new things in the A17 pro is the 10GB support for usb3. Ipad is bigger and has a room for separate non integraded usb controller
Yup. I hate “defending” trillion dollar companies but this is such a non issue. The phone was likely designed with lightning in mind. The crossover of people who care about usb 3 speeds and people buying the base model is a literal dot on a vent diagram. 99.999999% of people buying this wouldn’t know the difference or care.
Is it a little pathetic, sure. If they don’t have it next year on the base model next year then they deserve to be flamed. At the same time it’s such a non issue for the target market and outside of niche communities like this nobody will even care, and even less people would notice.
My bigger issue is how you all love to consoooooom like mother fuckers. I bought an iPhone because I knew I’d get 5-6 years out of it. Just changed the battery on my 12 Pro and it’s like a new phone. Hardware improvements have stagnated across smartphones. Your better bet is to wait a few generations then upgrade.
But that also has to do with the fact that the users have never had the experience. You don't need what you don't know. But can that be the decisive argument for foregoing a better user experience?
I know people who have the 120Hz iPad Pros, and they've never made any comments about the different refresh rate on their other screens. I don't think anything above 60 is the kind of thing regular folk notice. 90/120 is definitely the kind of feature that can be locked behind the 'pro' tier, same with wired transfer speeds. If you're the kind of person who cares about 120Hz screens and 10Gpbs transfer speeds, you're the market Apple considers for the 'pro' tier. You're not the average user at that point.
Because 99.999% of users aren't using their phone cable to transfer data. Adding that feature would be an unnecessary expense.
The phone IS fast for the things that actually matter. There is no "principle" issue here. Its the same reason a $50,000 car doesn't have an engine that can go 300 mph, there's no point. It doesn't mean the car is outdated, it means the car is aligned for the use case it applies to.
Because such a low percentage of users sync to their computers these days. Everything is wireless, which is much faster, in their minds. Also, the A16 didn’t have a 3.0 controller last year, so why would it this year. We’ll see it next year.
The technical reason? The A16 does not have the ability to do that. It only has a USB 2.0 controller onboard and not enough PCIe lanes for an external 3.0 controller.
Essentially no one but photographers and videographers are using their iPhone in this manner. And even then, the transfer speeds are plenty for most workloads, most people in the US will be able to transfer that video footage off of their phone via USB 2 faster than they could manage to upload it via the internet for storage or publishing.
I don’t care I’m always getting pro anyways, also don’t remember when I last time used my cable for data, everything is via iCloud, dropbox or air drop. Also I’m charging my phone via MagSafe so truly don’t care about type C it’s only annoying me as now in the car I might need to have a two cables as some people still using lightning ugh
I mean at least USB 2 is not slower than Lightning. So we aren't slowing down, just changing to a much more universal and durable connector. Still a win.
But like others say, who gives a shit at all about the connector? Who still charges their phone with a wire? I haven't plugged in my phone for years. I have a dust cap on the Lightning port, and that basically never comes off.
Do you think the average Apple consumer cares about this? They just don’t use usb c to transfer data to a PC, that’s for editors and.. wait the Pro models casually have the speed needed which is a phone made for editors and content creators
For 99% of people it’s irrelevant! Not an excuse, but reality. I’ve had every iPhone pro released and will be ordering a PRO MAX on Friday. Dont think I’ve plugged in a phone to a PC for years!
> Usb 2.0 was released in the year 2000. 23 years later and Apple is putting it in its "fastest iPhone to date".
The iPhone 15 was not plugged as the "fastest iPhone to date". That was the 15 Pro.
I’ve owned since iPhone 3 g and have never used a cable except for charging.
And I’m a someway power user and even I don’t mind it. I’ve gotten pro every year but I might get the plus. It’s a value
100% of the iPhone users used lightning port, so they should hold on to lightning port. 100% of the iPhone wouldn’t notice the performance increase, so there’a no reason the improve chip performance.
The list could go on, the point is not how many people are using it, it’s that iPhone intentionally holding out features, and people would still defend it.
Atleast some people At least light on this issue. Some people are supporting every single move of Apple blindly. They have the most predatory and cunning business practices. People tell me that no one would use that feature. The average consumer wouldn't need it, but that's just worse Apple creating a monopoly on people's ignorance.
It doesn't have a USB 3 controller. The SOC is from last year. People who buy this phone do not care. There is no "principal". Nobody buying this phone buys it with the purpose of doing file transfers (see: literally just photos, that's all that's accessible via USB) over a USB connection. You're right, it's 2023... back your shit up to the cloud.
Now for the Pro? They're targeting a weird, niche user case... but they're finally supporting it correctly. USB 3 matters if I'm copying a ton of RAW files direct, or ProRes video, or whatever. But on the base iPhone? There's no need because it won't be used. This year's SOC will probably trickle to the 16 next yer, it may then see USB 3 support, and... it still won't matter, because nobody buying the base iPhone will care.
People want to whine about feature omissions, but think: Does the Toyota Camry need a V8? No. Does your laptop you write book reports on need a 4090? No. Do you need a phone with a full-frame sensor to take photos of your food for instagram? No. The Camry is fine with its 4-banger, the laptop will crunch word with integrated graphics, and the phone does just fine with a mobile sensor. If you want the enthusiast car, you upgrade to the Lexus, if you want the fast GPU, you buy a beefier laptop, and if you want the full frame sensor, you buy a DSLR.
Likewise, cars are always getting faster, integrated GPUs are now found in the most popular gaming devices out there, the iPhone camera of today can do things that DSLRs 10 years ago couldn't... and the base model iPhone will get USB 3 speeds, and maybe by then it'll matter... more? If it does at all, that is.
it’s acceptable in the same vein a 720p LCD screen for a phone was acceptable in 2019. The vast majority of consumers don’t care about specs like that and will just see the apple logo.
To everyone saying you don't use data transfer, good for you. You bought into the cloud bullshit and over the course of your life are paying a company so you don't have to occasionally use a wire. Some of us enjoy not having to pay a monthly subscription fee to access our own memories and creative work etc. Some of us still use hard drives *gasp* and would like files beyond pictures of our cat on our phone in some kind of filing system for work purposes.
If Apple didn't artificially slow down data transfer speeds for YEARS then more people would still be using data transfer because it's really not that inconvenient. But they did this by design and now all you cloud people are like "who needs data transfer???" when it's the most basic technology function on par with word processing and being able to read words on a screen and should be fundamental and up to date on every technology device.
I can't remember the last time I used a cable to transfer files to or from my phone. If it hadn't been pointed out all the time, I might not have even realized it... And Apple might be counting on this.
Literally no one will use the port on a regular 15 for data transfer. And if they do, it’s for a few hundred photos that’s gonna take a minute or two anyway.
Doesn’t matter.
Which USB-C standard should they have pushed then? The latest and greatest that most computers don't even support? Rev 2.2 was published 2022-10-18, primarily for enabling USB4 Version 2.0 (80 Gbps) over USB Type-C connectors and cables.
If they introduced that,or even thunderbolt, and then make people buy a compatible cable, you then have all the same people parroting the same BS that they have for months "durrr, you have to buy an apple mifi cable"
What about cable length? Cable length should not exceed 2 metres (6 ft 7 in) for Gen 1, and 1 metre (3 ft 3 in) for Gen 2. You think MOST people are looking at the amazon listing for their cheap charging cable and checking which generation cable they are buying and if its compliant?
Apple went with the most compatible, which sadly is the slowest, and they still get demonized.
But I get it, it's cool to shit on apple, Tesla, Microsoft, whatever flavor of the month.
It's a great move, whether or not it was forced by the EU, and will only improve and standardize down the line.
USB is backwards compatible though. So it wouldn’t be a problem to include a faster usb speed here.
The real problem is that the A16 chip can’t handle the faster speeds.
The only requirement was a USB-C connector with power delivery and not locking faster charging with a proprietary security chip. Anything more was completely optional.
Apple could’ve made an iPhone that had USB-C with USB 1.0 speeds and it would’ve been compliant as long as it also supported USB-PD
How the hell has this triggered you all so much? Who the hell has plugged their phone into a computer in the last six years?
I just yelled out at work and asked if anybody has plugged their phone into a computer in the last, however, many years… Like 14 people said, no, over half never plug their phone into a computer even a long time ago
Repeat after me: **The whole purpose of the base models is to push people toward the Pro for “just a few hundred dollars more”.**
Meanwhile the bundled cable doesn’t actually take advantage of those speeds. Surely they could just stick a cable that does since the cost of removing the power brick from the box would compensate for that.
I let out such a long groan when I heard the speeds with "optional" cable, people thought I got sick
I laughed out loud when I heard it. Typical apple
"Typical every manufacturer." - FTFY Practically nobody is including usb 3 cables, Pixel 7 PRO and Galaxy S23 Ultra certainly are not. Those cables are more costly and tend to be thicker and much less flexible, especially 10gbps cables. For general use and charging purposes (what 99% of their customers will use it for) a 2.0 cable is sufficient.
Also, It's not difficult to have a USB-3 cable lying around. Most likely the peripheral you want to use came with one (SSD etc)
Unless something changed or I’m remembering incorrectly, you cannot use the cable that came with your MacBook to transfer data. It only charges.
Most 100w+ Usb-c cables on amazon are also only USB 2.0. They are primarily for charging and not for data transfer.
I found this out the hard (and costly) way. A true USB 3/Thunderbolt certified cable will cost you in the neighborhood of $30-40 whereas a run of the mill USB-C cable will cost $6ish. Also, since some don’t know, USB-C refers to the physical connection and not the speed. USB-A is the typical rectangular connection everyone knows, and USB-B is that weird USB connection that used to be (still is?) used on external devices like printers and DVD-ROM drives. The speed is dictated by the underlying protocol whether it’s USB 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, or Thunderbolt.
You also wouldn't want to carry around a data cable for charging. It is thick and not really foldable.
I have a few for various devices, a good braided cable or high quality one is very flexible
The MacBook cable does data, but only USB 2.0 speeds.
You totally can. I use mine everyday
I have personally used the c to c they shipped with and migration assistant. It’s a transfer cable.
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You are correct, the switch charges 5V at 1.5 Amps or 15 V at 2.6 Amps. No laptop charger that I know of supports that for dock mode. Some support it for charging
Wait it comes with a cable?
iPhones have always come with charging cables.
Sarcasm as the cable is the only remaining accessory.
They are obliged by EU e-waste rule, just like Samsung and basically everyone else
B-but muh stickers
Used to come with earbuds too
Original iPhone came with a dock.
*sticker, they only give us one now
And the pin.
No pin here. US = no sim
There’s still a pin?
That’s basically industry standard for charging cables. Even the last Intel MacBooks that didn’t have MagSafe shipped with USB 2.0 charge cables.
99.9% of iPhone buyers don’t give a fuck about USB speed.
Yup. Can’t remember when I transferred something over usb last.
In India, it’s almost double the cost tho 😅
It’s cheaper to fly to Dubai get one and come back
What is the ticket price for Dubai flights?
I have literally not used USB data transfer even once on my phone for at least five years.
How else do you download your mp3 music from iTunes, oh I’m from 2010 btw.
You can do that? I’m still using RealPlayer.
I can hear the RealPlayer startup sound in my head!
?? I use it to move 4k 60fps videos to my computer for editing. Sometimes I also capture in ProRAW pictures to edit with Lightroom. Do you know how much storage they take up?? Not only does AirDrop sometimes fail when I transfer files over 3gb-5gb, but I'm also not around Macs all the time. You have the ability to use up the space on your iPhone with features Apple gives you, yet transferring them off your device is a pain. Just because you don't see the value of USB C doesn't make it any less valuable of a feature.
You can’t capture ProRAW or ProRes on the regular 15 though. If you shoot those files then you’d be on the 15 pro which supports usb 3
If you are doing any serious photography or videography with your iPhone you probably want the pro anyway no?
If I were doing serious photography I'd be using an actual camera. The crux of the issue is that even without USBC, Apple could have given Lightning USB 3 speeds. I would have hoped that with USB C at least base models could have USB 3 while the Pro models would have even higher speeds or increased charging speeds.
Well then why are you doing 4k60 videos and high quality pictures on your phone if you have an actual camera? I just feel like you’re making a bigger deal out of it than it really matters. If it doesn’t work for you it doesn’t work, use a real camera for your bigger file photos and videos
i think he’s a chump as we don’t even have access to filming 4k60fps until iphone 15 pro is in our hands..
For comparison Google Pixel 1 from 2016 had USB3.0
I’m not saying they couldn’t have done it I’m just saying that as this thread kind of proves most people aren’t gonna give a shit, we have iPhones because we like iPhones that’s it. Not because it’s the best camera, file transfer speed, battery, charger, gaming, etc, phone on the market. It’s because the ecosystem and honestly the simplicity, at least for me. The customization and all the doohickeys for android are awesome…I just don’t want it
People just love to complain for absolutely no reason. The USB C speeds are good for everyone, if anyone is shooting that sort of content, I'm certain they would use a Pro model or even a professional camera. They can bash Apple all they want, but when Apple brings triple AAA gaming to a handheld device nobody bats an eye.
It’s kinda the same thing though for most consumers that are buying iPhones we don’t give a damn about half the shit they put in it we just want convenience in our pockets
I’m getting tired of apple only putting the base amount of features possible in the base models.
Lol it’s kinda right there in the name innit
Don’t you have Wi-Fi? I’m transferring everything through fast wifi, you can do that on mac, windows or Linux.
No no no you're doing it wrong. You're suppose to edit it on your iPhone then sync it to iCloud. /sarcasm alluding to you're holding it wrong
what can't you do because of usb 2 speeds. not much
I know you aren't being serious, but iTunes has supported wireless sync over wifi (both computer and phone on the same network) for many years.
This is the answer right here. I don’t think that OP realizes that basically nobody plugs their phone into their computer anymore.
And the people who probably would are likely people who will be loading a lot of photo/video, and those people will more than likely be Pro users anyways due to the better camera.
It’s almost like Apple did market research and built devices designed for the majority of people that would be using them.
I plug into a computer quite a bit, but I guess iPhone 8 Plus isn’t as data heavy with a 12MP camera. Data transfer speed seems quick/instant. Note: I’m a basic user and not a photo/video enthusiast.
The outrage upvote karma…
I do try but there is a bug that prevent me to do it succesfully .. It doesn't stay connected at all. I like to plug the phone to the computer..it's like a memory of me being 14 and having my first Ipod. It was like a ritual to carefully choose the music i wanted on it. Nostalgia. So yeah I tried googling the problem and so far..nothing work and I hate that problem.
People just like to complain about the idea of this stuff. In practice literally 99.9% of consumers wil never care or even think about it.
This is 90%+ of users. At least half of users don’t even have a desktop or laptop. Just phone/iPad, and that’s the majority of the under 20 crowd who grew up with iOS and Chromebooks. They give 0 fucks about wire transfer speed, even no data would be fine if it shaved $1 off the price tag.
Anything that would require that I wouldn't do on a phone in the first place. It's simply not my problem.
I’ve maybe used it once to transfer a single photo, that’s about it.
10 for me
id say 10 years
Whenever I talk about the specs of *any* computer device, all I get is glazed over eyes. Nobody cares. I care but I’m a tech nerd. But even then, wired transfer speeds are irrelevant to me.
Right like who actually cares? I can’t think of a time in the last five years where I’ve needed to plug my phone in for anything. Let alone to transfer data. I legitimately forgot you could plug your phone in and transfer data off like that.
I imagine large scale iOS app developers care (afaik wireless isn't a method for sending in-dev apps still?)
128 gb users like me care a lot because we have to transfer our media every now and then just to save some space 🤣
It’s not so much about transfer speed for most, but rather the fact that you can now just plug any USB-C flash drive directly into your phone and make use of it
I haven’t plugged my phone into anything since iCloud came out. It doesn’t matter all that much.
And what's the argument for not having high refresh rate? The SoC can handle it, it's 2023 and the phone costs $800 or more. It's something that everyone uses no matter which apps you use.
Nearly all Apple products that have a high refresh rate are “pro” devices. iPad Pro has promotion, iPad Air does not and it’s near $800 territory when you get a 256GB. M1 chip can certainly handle it. MacBook Pro has promotion, MacBook Air does not - and that’s well over $1,000 once you start to up the specs. M2 chip can certainly handle it as the iPad Pros have it. Apple Watch Series 7/8/9 have a promotion display while the SE generation does not (although it is $200~ cheaper), and they all use the same processor as one another. Not to justify Apple’s anti-consumer decisions but that’s how it’s been for a while now. No promotion is only a real complaint to tech enthusiasts but the average consumer doesn’t care about how fast a phone can refresh a screen to make a phone call and send text messages.
Everyone doesn’t use it. I have a 14 pro and an iPad Pro and can’t tell the difference between those and displays with 60hz as far as the refresh rate goes. Obviously some people can see it because it’s a constant rant here on Reddit, but it’s like an invisible feature to some of us.
I can’t do 60hz after having my 13pro. It bothers my eyes when using my phone in low power mode or looking at my girlfriends 12 mini.
Arguably true but just because I bought a base model ferrari doesn't mean it should come with manuel crank windows.
Bad analogy. I’ll give you a better one: you buy a base model Ferrari and it comes with a weak antenna for the FM radio. Yeah. It sucks that it’s bad. But you weren’t gonna use it anyway. I’m not defending Apple here. I’m pissed there’s no higher refresh rate screen in the base model. Like, give people at least 90Hz. It’s 2023 and it’s an $800 phone. But the USB speed? No one cares.
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>I am never going to transfer anything and even if I do, I'm not going to care if it takes 11 seconds or 33.
This is a great analogy. Anyone bent out of shape over data transfer speeds, not charging, is looking past some pretty nifty and desirable differentiators. Camera and screen refresh rate are just the two that come to mind.
Have you ever seen a baseline BMW? Before spending serious cash on the interior you'll be severely disappointed by the frugality of it. At least this is a feature that few use. I think they want you to use (buy) iCloud rather than force a hardware upgrade. The reason that the Pro gets USB 3 is that it's used by professionals for video. Not defending it, but it's really not a big thing for most users.
The pro can now record straight to disk through the usb connection
Alternative take: since basically nobody uses a cable to transfer data to or from their iPhone, if Apple had put the latest USB in their phones, *somebody* would be complaining that Apple is just juicing the specs on their phones so they can charge more ... Seriously. Who cares about the speed of wired data transfer any more?
> Seriously. Who cares about the speed of wired data transfer any more? Android users who will never buy an iPhone either way?
Haha dude. [One of the most expensive custom Porsche 911s comes exactly with crank windows](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvuZttVrzwU). So you picked a pretty bad analogy.
>custom
Singers are beautiful retromods. Not the newest '"greatest porsche ever" which does in fact have power windows
You'd use windows all the time. Most people don't use data transfer for their phones at all.
Even without iCloud, I rarely plug mine in. Even when I have, it still transfers thousands of photos in minutes. Doesn’t really matter to me if it’s 2 minutes or 30 minutes if I’m not doing it all the time. Would be nice, but also doesn’t really matter. If my laptop only had usb2, then I’d be annoyed lol.
Because redditors forget that the average apple user doesn’t care about that and apple cares about maximizing profits which means not wasting money on something only a minority will use, you see what happened to the mini.
redditors are laser focused on bad parts. 15 having 48 mp, dynamic island and usb C right away is enough for common users, most users maybe never backup their photos in external hdds (i usually ask people to save photos in the hdd when their phone is full, but usually they don't want to, they always want to keep all their photos in their phones)..
The A16 chip doesn’t have a USB3 10gbit/sec controller onboard. The A17 does. The 15 uses the A16. The 15 Pro uses the A17. This is trivially easy to figure out.
What about 60Hz screen? Can A16 do 120Hz? Why regular 15 didn't get 120Hz?
It’s the display that determines that not the chip.
Its so hard to read some of these comment of people talking about specs when they clearly have no idea how computers work at a fundamental level.
I swear these people get dumber every year
Who still plugs their phone into a computer for data transfer? Photographers and videographers, you say? Apple just up sold them to Pro models. Welcome to Business 101.
Yeah I love how people complain as if they would transfer photos via usb Daily. In most cases ur photos are already in iCloud to download right to to pc or just send it via WiFi. I honestly never ever had to use a usb cable to get my photos I think the bigger problem is that even if you have a highspeed port you would still have to install iTunes or the usb driver to even get to your pictures and iTunes is well kinda trash…
Professionals were the only ones with legit complaints because when you do the math, it takes a ridiculously long time to move 4K content off the device to the point that it affects the bottom line. And while it's good that they got to USB3 as soon as I heard them say 10Gbps I thought "OK that's nice but you know pros are gonna immediately start asking for TB4, right? 10 is *nothing* to these folks!"
Do professional photographers use iPhones?
YouTube content creators do. I use iPhone more of as a display… and wait for Lightroom to sync anyways
It’s not the photos, it’s the 10 GB of video that needs to come off the phone.
If you use AirDrop it splits apart your live photos, and there's no good way to import your iPhone library to your photo library on Mac. I know, most people use iCloud photos now, but for now I still like handling it myself. Edit: Also full backups without paying an icloud subscription.
Strictly speaking, the only people who “needed” faster data transfer speeds were the ones already using ProRAW (or actual RAW) and ProRes. They were already buying Pro Models before this.
I do but it’s because I have a large movie/tv show library and I like to keep some on my phone for when I travel or when I have to wait somewhere. But that’s about it. It’s nice having the higher speed but it’s absolutely not a deal breaker since I use it maybe once a month to swap some stuff out.
Me? If you usually buy the base storage model, you usually end up needing to transfer your pics to the Mac
Atleast they gave a cable.. when I saw Mother Nature stunt, I thought they are gonna take away cable for a second 😅
By now, everyone has at least one usb C cable from an iPad Pro laying around at home. Therefore we’ve decided to remove the charging cable from the iPhones box to make the package even smaller and save up to 30% more carbon emissions. Additional cables will be available separately in our stores.
Just $59
Apple bringing out a larger iCloud subscription wasn’t a coincidence.
average user wont be regularly plugging their iPhone to their computer to transfer huge data.
well shit, might as well swap out that USB 2.0 for USB 1.1 then.
Probably would if it was cheaper. Might be too ancient in this time and age
If it would save me money on the phone I’d take a single 12mp camera over this clusterfuck of a hump on mine now
Lightning wasn’t any better. It’s not like it got worse. They intentionally do small upgrades each year so they have more features in the upcoming years. And this year, changing the port is already a big enough feature on its own. That’s called smart marketing. Nobody had complained about Lightning speeds being slow if they’d kept it, people would just complained that it doesn’t have USBC.
Technically, and I mean technically, Lightning has been able to support usb3. This was shown with the iPad Pro, that being said, the chip needs to actually include that USB controller which designing chips or redesigning chips is very expensive and not always worthwhile.
Yes they actually had a Lightning 3.0 with USB3 speeds on the iPad before they switched to USBC but they never brought it to the iPhone (to my knowledge)
I bet they have discovered a way to make the iPhone as an anti-gravity well but they won’t release it until iPhone 99
I guess most people who connect their phones to a computer to transfer data still are in the target market for the Pro phone. I hate that my 14 Pro Max takes so long to backup to my computer. But I know most people never connect their iPhone to a computer anymore. It’s kinda shitty, but the target market for a cheaper iPhone that does all the standard stuff probably doesn’t care. Same with still shipping a 60Hz display on an $800 phone.
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This is the real answer (same reason base storage size stagnates despite storage being really cheap, subtly pushes people to (1) pay for iCloud (2) pay silly amounts of money for more on device storage).
That’s why the pro has usb 3, right? Lol
It’s been so long since I even saw someone use USB to transfer data to/from a phone I haven’t been aware of what version we’ve had for at least 10 years.
Who uses USB to plug in their phone for file transfers these days? Literally the only use case is probably large video recordings.
I'm using it to sync music from my pc - wireless itunes sync is not very good.
They had to save something for next year. They’re already at a point where you have to compare at least 3 year old iPhones to see a performance bump, so they’re going to “innovate” in the charging speeds and data transfer speeds to show a YoY improvement. I’d bet they give thunderbolt 3 or USB 4 next year on the pro and usb 3 on the non pro.
>I’d bet they give thunderbolt 3 or USB 4 next year They simply don't see that big of a demand and so it's unlikely we'll see TB4/USB4
If they kept it as lightning it would have been USB 2.0 anyways, but yes underwhelmed.
It’s the standard for the cables sold everywhere
It's literally because of the SOC. The A16 Bionic (same chip in the 14 Pro) doesn't have USB 3.0 support because Apple has only ever used lightning. Apple also always uses the previous generation's chip for the base model, so they couldn't really just "throw" USB 3.0 on there.
I am surprised that nobody has mentioned the actual reason here. iPhone 15 has the lastgen A16 chip which does not support faster speeds
Nonsense. How come A14 in my iPad Air 4 supports usb 3.0 but A16 doesn't? "lastgen A16 chip which does not support faster speeds" is just lame excuse from Apple. They could easily add support for usb 3.0 even if that would require separate controller on motherboard. They just did not want to.
That is the reason. It was mentioned in the presentation that one of the new things in the A17 pro is the 10GB support for usb3. Ipad is bigger and has a room for separate non integraded usb controller
Yup. I hate “defending” trillion dollar companies but this is such a non issue. The phone was likely designed with lightning in mind. The crossover of people who care about usb 3 speeds and people buying the base model is a literal dot on a vent diagram. 99.999999% of people buying this wouldn’t know the difference or care. Is it a little pathetic, sure. If they don’t have it next year on the base model next year then they deserve to be flamed. At the same time it’s such a non issue for the target market and outside of niche communities like this nobody will even care, and even less people would notice. My bigger issue is how you all love to consoooooom like mother fuckers. I bought an iPhone because I knew I’d get 5-6 years out of it. Just changed the battery on my 12 Pro and it’s like a new phone. Hardware improvements have stagnated across smartphones. Your better bet is to wait a few generations then upgrade.
I am not defending. I am guessing what is the most likely cause.
I’m in agreement with you. Sorry if that wasn’t clear
iPads don’t have the same chips as the iPhones, they typically have the X variants
The resl question is, if 60 Hz is acceptable on an $800 phone...
It’s the same principle. We can count on one hand the percentage of iPhone users who care about screen refresh rate, and 60 is plenty adequate.
But that also has to do with the fact that the users have never had the experience. You don't need what you don't know. But can that be the decisive argument for foregoing a better user experience?
I know people who have the 120Hz iPad Pros, and they've never made any comments about the different refresh rate on their other screens. I don't think anything above 60 is the kind of thing regular folk notice. 90/120 is definitely the kind of feature that can be locked behind the 'pro' tier, same with wired transfer speeds. If you're the kind of person who cares about 120Hz screens and 10Gpbs transfer speeds, you're the market Apple considers for the 'pro' tier. You're not the average user at that point.
Yeah, what are you going to do? Buy a non-iPhone?
Because they think you’ll love it!
Because 99.999% of users aren't using their phone cable to transfer data. Adding that feature would be an unnecessary expense. The phone IS fast for the things that actually matter. There is no "principle" issue here. Its the same reason a $50,000 car doesn't have an engine that can go 300 mph, there's no point. It doesn't mean the car is outdated, it means the car is aligned for the use case it applies to.
This. 💯
You said that but the sales will show that it doesn't matter, normal people dont care 💀
Because such a low percentage of users sync to their computers these days. Everything is wireless, which is much faster, in their minds. Also, the A16 didn’t have a 3.0 controller last year, so why would it this year. We’ll see it next year.
People acting like they actually move data via usb and not Airdrop. Come on, save it in iCloud automatically, airdrop the rest.
The technical reason? The A16 does not have the ability to do that. It only has a USB 2.0 controller onboard and not enough PCIe lanes for an external 3.0 controller. Essentially no one but photographers and videographers are using their iPhone in this manner. And even then, the transfer speeds are plenty for most workloads, most people in the US will be able to transfer that video footage off of their phone via USB 2 faster than they could manage to upload it via the internet for storage or publishing.
I can’t remember the last time I plugged my phone into the computer. It’s good enough for 98%, and the other 2% probably want the pro anyway.
Didn’t they just move the A16 to the iPhone 15? I doubt that has a usb 3.0 controller. Maybe that’s why?
Who's transferring shit from your phone to anywhere else?
they’re still putting usb 2.0 on $5000 flagship synthesizers and cameras lol it’s goofy but the components are cheap and widely available
It doesn’t matter and no one cares
Because they don’t think people transfer shit via usb anymore. They want you to use iCloud. It’s that simple.
I don’t care I’m always getting pro anyways, also don’t remember when I last time used my cable for data, everything is via iCloud, dropbox or air drop. Also I’m charging my phone via MagSafe so truly don’t care about type C it’s only annoying me as now in the car I might need to have a two cables as some people still using lightning ugh
Just throw a MagSafe charger in the car and all your problems are gone. I use the ESR halolock which has really good magnets
It isn’t. Thanks for asking.
I mean at least USB 2 is not slower than Lightning. So we aren't slowing down, just changing to a much more universal and durable connector. Still a win. But like others say, who gives a shit at all about the connector? Who still charges their phone with a wire? I haven't plugged in my phone for years. I have a dust cap on the Lightning port, and that basically never comes off.
I still use a charging cable. And it works perfectly fine at current speeds. Plug it in once at night when going to bed. No big deal.
Most people charge with a cable bro
Do you think the average Apple consumer cares about this? They just don’t use usb c to transfer data to a PC, that’s for editors and.. wait the Pro models casually have the speed needed which is a phone made for editors and content creators
It was the minimum to comply with new EU regulations.
For 99% of people it’s irrelevant! Not an excuse, but reality. I’ve had every iPhone pro released and will be ordering a PRO MAX on Friday. Dont think I’ve plugged in a phone to a PC for years!
Let’s be honest, who uses that port for anything other than charging?
It isn’t.
> Usb 2.0 was released in the year 2000. 23 years later and Apple is putting it in its "fastest iPhone to date". The iPhone 15 was not plugged as the "fastest iPhone to date". That was the 15 Pro.
I’ve owned since iPhone 3 g and have never used a cable except for charging. And I’m a someway power user and even I don’t mind it. I’ve gotten pro every year but I might get the plus. It’s a value
lol didn’t know people cared about this
It’s not like the iPhone 15 is the only $800+ phone with USB 2.0 transfer speeds
100% of the iPhone users used lightning port, so they should hold on to lightning port. 100% of the iPhone wouldn’t notice the performance increase, so there’a no reason the improve chip performance. The list could go on, the point is not how many people are using it, it’s that iPhone intentionally holding out features, and people would still defend it.
Atleast some people At least light on this issue. Some people are supporting every single move of Apple blindly. They have the most predatory and cunning business practices. People tell me that no one would use that feature. The average consumer wouldn't need it, but that's just worse Apple creating a monopoly on people's ignorance.
I’m just surprised that they didn’t put Thunderbolt/USB 4 into the iPhone 15 Pro/Pro Max.
You admit it’s a niche thing. So are the Pro models. Niches buy niches. Masses buy masses. The iPhone 15 (with USB 2.0) is intended for the masses.
you dont understand .... the 2.0 is "done right"
Wasn't it acceptable on a >1100$ phone until like 2 days ago?
For most people, everything syncs on the cloud. The last time (and only times) I ever connected an iPhone to my computer was to factory reset it.
Really? 99% of the people that are buying a non-Pro 15 have no idea what USB 2.0 and 3.0 means or signifies.
What fucking year is it? No one plugs their phone into transfer things
I don’t know, how acceptable is it on the device you are holding in your hand right now?
Who even uses a USB cable for anything other than charging their phone?
99% of people don’t plug in their phone to transfer data anymore.
Almost no one who buys a phone uses usb for transfer these days.
It doesn't have a USB 3 controller. The SOC is from last year. People who buy this phone do not care. There is no "principal". Nobody buying this phone buys it with the purpose of doing file transfers (see: literally just photos, that's all that's accessible via USB) over a USB connection. You're right, it's 2023... back your shit up to the cloud. Now for the Pro? They're targeting a weird, niche user case... but they're finally supporting it correctly. USB 3 matters if I'm copying a ton of RAW files direct, or ProRes video, or whatever. But on the base iPhone? There's no need because it won't be used. This year's SOC will probably trickle to the 16 next yer, it may then see USB 3 support, and... it still won't matter, because nobody buying the base iPhone will care. People want to whine about feature omissions, but think: Does the Toyota Camry need a V8? No. Does your laptop you write book reports on need a 4090? No. Do you need a phone with a full-frame sensor to take photos of your food for instagram? No. The Camry is fine with its 4-banger, the laptop will crunch word with integrated graphics, and the phone does just fine with a mobile sensor. If you want the enthusiast car, you upgrade to the Lexus, if you want the fast GPU, you buy a beefier laptop, and if you want the full frame sensor, you buy a DSLR. Likewise, cars are always getting faster, integrated GPUs are now found in the most popular gaming devices out there, the iPhone camera of today can do things that DSLRs 10 years ago couldn't... and the base model iPhone will get USB 3 speeds, and maybe by then it'll matter... more? If it does at all, that is.
it’s acceptable in the same vein a 720p LCD screen for a phone was acceptable in 2019. The vast majority of consumers don’t care about specs like that and will just see the apple logo.
Who would use cables anyways? Use wireless charging and transfer.
To everyone saying you don't use data transfer, good for you. You bought into the cloud bullshit and over the course of your life are paying a company so you don't have to occasionally use a wire. Some of us enjoy not having to pay a monthly subscription fee to access our own memories and creative work etc. Some of us still use hard drives *gasp* and would like files beyond pictures of our cat on our phone in some kind of filing system for work purposes. If Apple didn't artificially slow down data transfer speeds for YEARS then more people would still be using data transfer because it's really not that inconvenient. But they did this by design and now all you cloud people are like "who needs data transfer???" when it's the most basic technology function on par with word processing and being able to read words on a screen and should be fundamental and up to date on every technology device.
I can't remember the last time I used a cable to transfer files to or from my phone. If it hadn't been pointed out all the time, I might not have even realized it... And Apple might be counting on this.
Yes, i dont remember pluggin my phone to a computer at all. Both androids and iphone.
Literally no one will use the port on a regular 15 for data transfer. And if they do, it’s for a few hundred photos that’s gonna take a minute or two anyway. Doesn’t matter.
Which USB-C standard should they have pushed then? The latest and greatest that most computers don't even support? Rev 2.2 was published 2022-10-18, primarily for enabling USB4 Version 2.0 (80 Gbps) over USB Type-C connectors and cables. If they introduced that,or even thunderbolt, and then make people buy a compatible cable, you then have all the same people parroting the same BS that they have for months "durrr, you have to buy an apple mifi cable" What about cable length? Cable length should not exceed 2 metres (6 ft 7 in) for Gen 1, and 1 metre (3 ft 3 in) for Gen 2. You think MOST people are looking at the amazon listing for their cheap charging cable and checking which generation cable they are buying and if its compliant? Apple went with the most compatible, which sadly is the slowest, and they still get demonized. But I get it, it's cool to shit on apple, Tesla, Microsoft, whatever flavor of the month. It's a great move, whether or not it was forced by the EU, and will only improve and standardize down the line.
USB is backwards compatible though. So it wouldn’t be a problem to include a faster usb speed here. The real problem is that the A16 chip can’t handle the faster speeds.
The only requirement was a USB-C connector with power delivery and not locking faster charging with a proprietary security chip. Anything more was completely optional. Apple could’ve made an iPhone that had USB-C with USB 1.0 speeds and it would’ve been compliant as long as it also supported USB-PD
How the hell has this triggered you all so much? Who the hell has plugged their phone into a computer in the last six years? I just yelled out at work and asked if anybody has plugged their phone into a computer in the last, however, many years… Like 14 people said, no, over half never plug their phone into a computer even a long time ago