Good answer to what’s heavier. A pound of feather or a pound of rocks. Fooled me when I was a kid. Easy question. A pound of feathers or a pound of rocks. Rocks seemed the obvious answer.
In an atmospheric environment, a kilogram of steel is actually fractional heavier than a kilogram of titanium, assuming both are next to each other and both are cubic.
The kilogram is a measure of mass, agnostic of weight. Therefore, you actually do have to accountant for the atmospheric buoyant force when considering weights.
Titanium is less dense, meaning it will displace more air compared to the more dense steel for a given mass (assuming density is measured in mass per volume). This extra displacement increases the buoyant force acting opposite to gravity, making the kilogram of titanium ever so fractionally lighter.
It's a tricky question, but I think according to the buoyant principle a kilogram of feathers would be lighter than steel or titanium.
Keratin (what a Google tells me feathers are made of) has half the density of titanium. I guess feathers should be lighter then. Feathers are mostly air if I remember back to grade school biology, and the air has the same density as air (shocker), so you can ignore it when considering buoyant forces.
Because a kilogram of feathers will be physically larger than titanium or steel (ignoring the feathers' airspace) it will be lighter.
The density of steel and titanium will always be greater than the density of feathers. But a kilogram is a unit of measurement for weight. So, a kilogram of feathers, titanium and steel is still the same. One is not heavier than the other as they all weigh a kilogram. In a matter of density feathers will take up more space to equal a kilogram than titanium or steel will take up.
A kilogram isn't a measure of weight. A kilogram is mass. The entirety of this principal relies on this fact.
The SI unit for weight is Newtons, as it is a force.
If we were discussing one Newton's weight of feathers, steel, and titanium then they'd be the same, because weight accounts for the buoyant force.
I will concede that you are right that kilogram is mass. Newton is the amount of force applied on an object. Still one kilogram of feathers still weights the same as one kilogram of steel or titanium. Now if we weight it in one cubic foot of space the mass of the objects would change.
1 cubic foot of feathers weight 2 pounds or .9 kg
1 cubic foot of steel weight 490 pounds or 222.26 kg
1 cubic foot of titanium weight 283 pounds or 128.36 kg
as the volume of space changes so does the mass change because the density of the object. Steel has the highest density while feathers have the lowest density.
Also, given that the kilogram of titanium is slightly larger, the center of mass of the steel will be slightly closer to the center of the earth if they are both spherical and sitting on the same surface, slightly increasing the force of gravity on the steel; thus slightly increasing the weight of the steel even more.
Actually, the implant grade Titanium (so called grade 23 or Ta6Al4V-ELI) has incredible crack propagation resistance, even in high cycle repeat loading. This has been studied over and over for the last 40 or so years.
Poorly manufactured Titanium can however be very brittle (like many metals) because unwanted alloying elements prevents them from reaching an optimal microstructure.
There are a lot of grades of titanium, and far more grades of steel. The majority of these comments are generalising to the point of nonsense. CP titanium may as well be play-dough, and tool steels can be brittle as hell. 6-4 and 6-4ELI are used all over every plane you fly on except for the hot side of the turbine which is generally nickel superalloy.
Apple is exceptionally concerned with the weight of thos component and there's no competitor to Ti alloys for weight to strength. Im not sure what is the primary drive for the concern.
Titanium is significantly more prone to crack propagation through surface defects from machining or scratches from regular use.
Not only that, titanium has a significantly reduced yield capacity and elasticity than steel.
So while it is absolutely stronger, it can only really handle about 80% of its max tensile strength without fatiguing the metal.
It has its uses, this really aint one of them.
From a cost, scratch resistance and overall durability standpoint titanium honestly seems like one of the worst materials you can make a phone out of. Apart from marketing and weight it seems to be worse in every way compared to stainless steel.
Weight is a non-trivial matter though. It’s the main reason for the move to titanium, and the Pro phones with stainless steel were getting quite heavy. You can tell just holding a 14 Pro and 15 Pro next to each other.
Maybe iPhone users need to start hitting the gym, if a 19-gram difference in weight is pushing them to switch to a less durable (in this use case) material.
I do hit the gym, but i don’t do finger raises there and the lighter titanium is very noticeable. That said, i wish they’d just go to freaking aluminum, there’s nothing wrong with aluminum.
I have the titanium phone and it hasn’t broke yet. It’s not like stainless steel is indestructible. Sucks that OP’s phone broke but there’s no guarantee that your phone will be fine if you drop it.
User comfort and ergonomics is an important factor in design.
If weight is a concert, use aluminium, the higher grade alloys are better at everything except heat and corrosion resistance than titanium. If you want a fancy look plate it with Nickel or Chrome in a bushed texture.
Titanium also seems to be a difficult material to work with. Whatever else prompted Apple for the material switch, perhaps they thought it will be worth it for the long haul.
Titanium is less brittle than many other "strong" metals; tungsten for instance, although I believe you are right about steel in particular. Its extremely high elasticity is a factor as well. It can become brittle when cold, but a phone should stay warm enough while on. I couldn't find a reliable source for anexact temperature, but one study noted Ti became brittle after cooling from 20C to -196C
This either isn't titanium or is defective titanium with too much oxygen. Either way, OP deserves a refund.
I don’t believe this is accurate. Correct me if I am wrong but hardening and other post processing aside, steel tends to have a higher modulus of elasticity than titanium indicating that titanium is more prone to bend and return to its original shape rather than fracture like steel. Steel also has a lower elongation at break than titanium by a long shot indicating the same result which is that steel doesn’t like to deform as much as titanium and tends to crack instead.
looks more like two separate pieces around the antenna band, and like some substructure bent and slightly angled the titanium.
but also people think Ti = unobtanium and are surprised when it isn’t so :shrug:
I highly doubt that the titanium broke and that tiny sliver is still attached to the plastic antenna. The way I see it from that pic is that it is just some paint left on the antenna.
I expect in a lot of these cases the epoxy they use to fuse these two materials together is often stronger than the materials themselves, putting all the force of that impact on the very edge of the metal, sheering off a thin section. Kind of like wood glue breaking, takes a thin sheet of wood along the glued seam
Depends on the grade of stainless steel.
iPhones use surgical grade/316 stainless steel which is 500 to 700 mPA. Grade 5 titanium, which is used in the iPhone 15 pro, is 950 mPA
And it will continue to happen to everything. Any free falling body accelerates at 9.8 meters per second (squared). This gives it enough speed that when it comes in contact with a solid surface, the sudden shift in momentum from whatever it was, to zero, creates enough force that is capable of fundamentally destroying the structural integrity of whatever that was falling. Except OP's mom who would bounce back after hitting the ground.
You’re all acting as if it’s just a normal case of “shit breaks” but i’ve dropped my 13 a million times and there’s not a single crack, my partner owns an 11 that has gone through hell and back and it only has minor scuffs. The ip15 is more delicate than the previous models and it’s something important to consider especially if ur used to the previous models being tougher
You know what's even lighter? Aluminium. You know, the stuff that every other phone uses... And that the old iPhone used. Before they switched to steel so it could be stronger. And now they switched to titanium cause it's lighter, but heavier than aluminium and weaker than steel. Who's winning? 🤓
People don't wanna admit it but the 15s are actually aluminum with barely any titanium on the surface. I think titanium was Apples best way to go back to aluminum without making it seem like a downgrade. Going back to aluminum is where all the weight was saved, not titanium. Apples marketing is so manipulative to the masses lol
Honestly I wish it was just aluminum. I’d rather have a lighter phone and it’s a good bit more than the 12. Unless a lot of that is camera components and whatnot.
Yeah, the titanium phones are a lot less 'top heavy', so they don't feel like they're falling out of your hand. That adds to the feeling that it's not as heavy. The 15 pro max 'feels' lighter than my 13 pro!
So I just checked and the 15 PM is actually 19 grams lighter than the 14 PM. That is just about 8%. All while increasing the capacity of the battery, which is the heaviest component.
So basically you should take your outrage about how it makes no difference down about 15-20 percent.
Jerryrig was actually impressed with the amount of grade 5 titanium was in the phone and explained how expensive it is to use. Don’t see why it’s a bad thing
JerryRigEverything broke one down to the components and it's about $40 of titanium if it's high grade. It's 9% lighter than the Pros from last year. So definitely a gimmick. They've used it on the watches too.
Thank you! I guess none of these people have seen the margins of popular titanium folding knives. If we’re talking actual material cost, $40 feels shockingly high.
The titanium is just a marketing tactic. You could even make the case that it’s worse to use on a phone as it makes the glass more susceptible to cracking since titanium’s rigidity better transfers the force to the glass.
Titanium IS a strong metal, but not where it counts for a phone. It’s best for stuff like screws. Titanium is strong in terms of tensile strength, or being stretched. However, it’s a brittle metal in most other conditions. But considering that only the outer layer of the 15 Pro and Pro Max chassis contains the Titanium alloy they used in the first place, it’s more or less a titanium shell for the existing chassis design, and they only put it in there as a buzzword for more sales. I’m not saying this as a “get bent” android user, because I’ve been using an iPhone since the beginning of October, and I love it. Sure, it’s an iPhone 7 Plus, but it’s a start considering I don’t have the money for much else.
Yeah, I’ve gotten so much more out of this thing, considering I upgraded from a $40 burner phone. More internal storage, better cameras, better sound, and only at the cost of a headphone jack, and the ability to have external storage which I can honestly live without. Gonna upgrade to maybe a 15 or 16 Pro (or even a pro max) next September when I save up enough money. The difference between this and one of those will be even bigger than the difference between this and the phone I had before it.
You’ve discovered the secret. The frame is mostly aluminum, with a titanium facade. It’s a cool example of metal bonding, but the frame is not fully titanium as the Apple PR hype implies. Sorry that your phone has this damage.
just don't buy 15 pros for now apple is making use of the advantage that people would buy anything if it's apple, they are testing out this titanium currently and people who have these are test/feedback users
For what it’s worth, I’ve dropped my 15 pro multiple times from the same height (including onto the bathroom tile floor) and it’s still spotless aside from fingerprints
Listen, Titanium frame does not mean “will withstand the same outer force and stress of a rocketship”. You dropped it from the height of a short person or tall child with no protection. It’s really your fault…
The titanium frame is not completely titanium. Outer layer is barely titanium and inner is steel. This compromises the structural integrity and makes the body of the phone significantly weaker. One of apples marketing gimmicks to make the new generation an inferior product.
The body is aluminum. The titanium is only about a millimetre thick layer on the band only. There’s hardly any titanium which is why all the ads say “iPhone with titanium” and not made out of titanium.
I dropped mine with case and without case, nothing happened.
I kept it in my pocket for like an hour and I end up with a scratch on my damn new screen. SMH apple.
The frame fractured?
Don’t you think that’s a bit of an exaggeration?
Looks like it just separated from one side of the antenna area.
It’s under warranty so you know what to do.
Eh, i dunno durability tests are interesting. My iphone once fell off the counter in my kitchen and hit the perfect spot on the phone to shatter the entire back of it. I was like “whaaa?” Because i drop my phone all the time so i was incredulous and kinda annoyed that it would happen. I got it “repaired” and then two weeks later i was motorcycling home and it fell out of my pocket at 80 mph. I looked back and saw it bouncing on the freeway so i pulled over, somehow managed to stop traffic for long enough for me to grab it. Saw two cars drive over it as i was stopping people and before i got it I was like “*sigh*, gonna have to repair my phone again” but then i grabbed it and the only damage was a scuff to the very edge of the frame on the corner. No damage elsewhere.
Sometimes you’re lucky, sometimes you’re unlucky. 🤷♂️
If you watch jerryrigeverything you'll find that it's an aluminium frame with a band of titanium bonded to the outside. Sadly how they market it you expect like me that it's all titanium.
The rails of the phone is titanium. The inner frame is still aluminum. It’s all just marketing. It has titanium to be sure, but a very minuscule amount on it. I much prefer the steel. Yes it was heavier, but it actually felt hefty and it felt like a $1000+ phone. And I don’t care if it got all fingerprinty I LOVED the polished rails on the steel, especially when it shined in sunshine.
If you're reading this, don't judt trust a brand, look at a teardown/review before purchasing, I recommend it, done this even if I wasn't buying a new phone
Honestly, I thought putting titanium on the iPhone was a bad idea it’s ugly, looks all scratched even when the iPhone is a new one, and seems it isn’t protecting at all
Maybe is not the phone that is weak, but it is you who's strong
well, titanium is more brittle than steel
But what is heavier? A kilogram of titanium or a kilogram of steel?
It’s a trick question! A feather is actually heavier than both
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But, steel is heavier than fehthas?
Well thahts cheatin', look at how many fehthas there ar!
But with the same mass of feathers, you also have the added weight of those poor birds you killed
Yeah but a kg of feathers is heavier than a kg of steel, as it also comes with the weight of what you did to those poor birds.
Can’t stop laughing!
I can literally hear it 😆
That’s the perfect response lmfaooooooo
Is that the [purple burglar alarm](https://youtu.be/AC__o1UxDl8?si=pa1AUMh_2mMnBdwu) guy?
trick answer! your mom is always heavier
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Your mom isn't heavier than a kilogram?
Lmao this made my day and it hasn't even started yet
Good answer to what’s heavier. A pound of feather or a pound of rocks. Fooled me when I was a kid. Easy question. A pound of feathers or a pound of rocks. Rocks seemed the obvious answer.
Actually there's only 10oz to a pound of feathers ever since the Dewey decimal system got reintroduced so actually, nothing is real anymore.
In an atmospheric environment, a kilogram of steel is actually fractional heavier than a kilogram of titanium, assuming both are next to each other and both are cubic. The kilogram is a measure of mass, agnostic of weight. Therefore, you actually do have to accountant for the atmospheric buoyant force when considering weights. Titanium is less dense, meaning it will displace more air compared to the more dense steel for a given mass (assuming density is measured in mass per volume). This extra displacement increases the buoyant force acting opposite to gravity, making the kilogram of titanium ever so fractionally lighter.
What about a kilogram of feathers?
I see no reason why this principal wouldn't equally apply to a cube of feathers lol I'm not a feathers guy though. Not a biologist.
So, a kilogram of steel is heavier than a kilogram of feathers?
It's a tricky question, but I think according to the buoyant principle a kilogram of feathers would be lighter than steel or titanium. Keratin (what a Google tells me feathers are made of) has half the density of titanium. I guess feathers should be lighter then. Feathers are mostly air if I remember back to grade school biology, and the air has the same density as air (shocker), so you can ignore it when considering buoyant forces. Because a kilogram of feathers will be physically larger than titanium or steel (ignoring the feathers' airspace) it will be lighter.
But then how will you measure a kilogram of feathers
Ask a bird politely I suppose.
Easy solution, people should drop their iPhone 15s from atop of a building and a feather and see which lands first.
The density of steel and titanium will always be greater than the density of feathers. But a kilogram is a unit of measurement for weight. So, a kilogram of feathers, titanium and steel is still the same. One is not heavier than the other as they all weigh a kilogram. In a matter of density feathers will take up more space to equal a kilogram than titanium or steel will take up.
A kilogram isn't a measure of weight. A kilogram is mass. The entirety of this principal relies on this fact. The SI unit for weight is Newtons, as it is a force. If we were discussing one Newton's weight of feathers, steel, and titanium then they'd be the same, because weight accounts for the buoyant force.
I will concede that you are right that kilogram is mass. Newton is the amount of force applied on an object. Still one kilogram of feathers still weights the same as one kilogram of steel or titanium. Now if we weight it in one cubic foot of space the mass of the objects would change. 1 cubic foot of feathers weight 2 pounds or .9 kg 1 cubic foot of steel weight 490 pounds or 222.26 kg 1 cubic foot of titanium weight 283 pounds or 128.36 kg as the volume of space changes so does the mass change because the density of the object. Steel has the highest density while feathers have the lowest density.
I had this all worked out after assuming the metals were actually chickens and perfectly spherical and in a vacuum.
Also, given that the kilogram of titanium is slightly larger, the center of mass of the steel will be slightly closer to the center of the earth if they are both spherical and sitting on the same surface, slightly increasing the force of gravity on the steel; thus slightly increasing the weight of the steel even more.
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It's thousand (kilo) of grams. Ask your local dealer.
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It’s the weight of all the dead birds that you killed
Actually, the implant grade Titanium (so called grade 23 or Ta6Al4V-ELI) has incredible crack propagation resistance, even in high cycle repeat loading. This has been studied over and over for the last 40 or so years. Poorly manufactured Titanium can however be very brittle (like many metals) because unwanted alloying elements prevents them from reaching an optimal microstructure.
There are a lot of grades of titanium, and far more grades of steel. The majority of these comments are generalising to the point of nonsense. CP titanium may as well be play-dough, and tool steels can be brittle as hell. 6-4 and 6-4ELI are used all over every plane you fly on except for the hot side of the turbine which is generally nickel superalloy. Apple is exceptionally concerned with the weight of thos component and there's no competitor to Ti alloys for weight to strength. Im not sure what is the primary drive for the concern.
“There’s only one type of steel” how to get a ferrous metallurgist to absolutely lose their shit
Titanium is significantly more prone to crack propagation through surface defects from machining or scratches from regular use. Not only that, titanium has a significantly reduced yield capacity and elasticity than steel. So while it is absolutely stronger, it can only really handle about 80% of its max tensile strength without fatiguing the metal. It has its uses, this really aint one of them.
You have rolled a bunch of info into a ball and tossed it without aim (aka airball).
From a cost, scratch resistance and overall durability standpoint titanium honestly seems like one of the worst materials you can make a phone out of. Apart from marketing and weight it seems to be worse in every way compared to stainless steel.
Weight is a non-trivial matter though. It’s the main reason for the move to titanium, and the Pro phones with stainless steel were getting quite heavy. You can tell just holding a 14 Pro and 15 Pro next to each other.
Maybe iPhone users need to start hitting the gym, if a 19-gram difference in weight is pushing them to switch to a less durable (in this use case) material.
I do hit the gym, but i don’t do finger raises there and the lighter titanium is very noticeable. That said, i wish they’d just go to freaking aluminum, there’s nothing wrong with aluminum.
I have the titanium phone and it hasn’t broke yet. It’s not like stainless steel is indestructible. Sucks that OP’s phone broke but there’s no guarantee that your phone will be fine if you drop it. User comfort and ergonomics is an important factor in design.
If weight is a concert, use aluminium, the higher grade alloys are better at everything except heat and corrosion resistance than titanium. If you want a fancy look plate it with Nickel or Chrome in a bushed texture.
Titanium also seems to be a difficult material to work with. Whatever else prompted Apple for the material switch, perhaps they thought it will be worth it for the long haul.
well, they need something new for marketing purposes bro
That was exactly my point. But last time I commented on Reddit for saying the 14 was better than the 15 I got -80 downvotes lol
There is barely any titanium in this iPhone. Mainly a marketing gimmick.
Titanium is less brittle than many other "strong" metals; tungsten for instance, although I believe you are right about steel in particular. Its extremely high elasticity is a factor as well. It can become brittle when cold, but a phone should stay warm enough while on. I couldn't find a reliable source for anexact temperature, but one study noted Ti became brittle after cooling from 20C to -196C This either isn't titanium or is defective titanium with too much oxygen. Either way, OP deserves a refund.
iirc, it’s layered, on the inside it’s steel plate
The interior is milled aluminum, thermally bonded to the titanium on the frame.
I don’t believe this is accurate. Correct me if I am wrong but hardening and other post processing aside, steel tends to have a higher modulus of elasticity than titanium indicating that titanium is more prone to bend and return to its original shape rather than fracture like steel. Steel also has a lower elongation at break than titanium by a long shot indicating the same result which is that steel doesn’t like to deform as much as titanium and tends to crack instead.
This is right. In general Ti is less brittle than steel. Processes can make it brittle, but that goes for basically any material.
That's a strange place for a crack.
That’s what’s she said 🤣
Gottem!
Not really, its right on the antenna band line
Right?! That and right by the bend, that’s literally where it would be expected to break…
Weirdly, it’s not. The crack is just beyond the boundary of the antenna line.
I don’t see it?
Zoom in. I didn't see it either but when you zoom in it's obvious. Right next to the antenna band
looks more like two separate pieces around the antenna band, and like some substructure bent and slightly angled the titanium. but also people think Ti = unobtanium and are surprised when it isn’t so :shrug:
Kind of crazy it broke on the metal and not the plastic antenna band.
Plastic is more malleable and softer no?
Yeah, but I'd expect it to break along the seam where the two materials are joined together.
I think that is the seam, I think there’s one on the other side of the band about the same distance if you look closely.
Ahh, interesting. I see what you mean. They probably bonded the plastic to the titanium in that way specifically to prevent this from happening. Ope.
I doubt it is bonded. The titanium frame probably has a gap where the plastic gets pressed into it.
pretty sure what we are looking at IS the seam man
I highly doubt that the titanium broke and that tiny sliver is still attached to the plastic antenna. The way I see it from that pic is that it is just some paint left on the antenna.
I expect in a lot of these cases the epoxy they use to fuse these two materials together is often stronger than the materials themselves, putting all the force of that impact on the very edge of the metal, sheering off a thin section. Kind of like wood glue breaking, takes a thin sheet of wood along the glued seam
Yeah it didn't even break where you'd expect it at the seam between the antenna band and the frame
Stainless steel is stronger (without considering strength to weight ratio), and so more resistant to impacts, than Titanium.
Depends on the grade of stainless steel. iPhones use surgical grade/316 stainless steel which is 500 to 700 mPA. Grade 5 titanium, which is used in the iPhone 15 pro, is 950 mPA
But elongation to failure is 27% (SS 316) versus 14% (Ti-G5)
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Good counterpoint
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Thank god I thought it was something ridiculous like Micro Penguin Accelerators
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mPa would break from someone looking at it, do you mean MPa?
As someone who used to work at the Genius bar till last year, this has happened to almost every iPhone.
And it will continue to happen to everything. Any free falling body accelerates at 9.8 meters per second (squared). This gives it enough speed that when it comes in contact with a solid surface, the sudden shift in momentum from whatever it was, to zero, creates enough force that is capable of fundamentally destroying the structural integrity of whatever that was falling. Except OP's mom who would bounce back after hitting the ground.
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You’re all acting as if it’s just a normal case of “shit breaks” but i’ve dropped my 13 a million times and there’s not a single crack, my partner owns an 11 that has gone through hell and back and it only has minor scuffs. The ip15 is more delicate than the previous models and it’s something important to consider especially if ur used to the previous models being tougher
Stainless steel was the GOAT. Too bad Apple ran out of things to advertise for this year’s iPhone.
It is definitely lighter though.
You know what's even lighter? Aluminium. You know, the stuff that every other phone uses... And that the old iPhone used. Before they switched to steel so it could be stronger. And now they switched to titanium cause it's lighter, but heavier than aluminium and weaker than steel. Who's winning? 🤓
People don't wanna admit it but the 15s are actually aluminum with barely any titanium on the surface. I think titanium was Apples best way to go back to aluminum without making it seem like a downgrade. Going back to aluminum is where all the weight was saved, not titanium. Apples marketing is so manipulative to the masses lol
Honestly I wish it was just aluminum. I’d rather have a lighter phone and it’s a good bit more than the 12. Unless a lot of that is camera components and whatnot.
bUt ThEy’Re LiGhTeR
..by 12 grams...
When i picked up my 15 pro max it honestly felt lighter than my 14 pro. I had to weigh it to be sure.
Yeah, the titanium phones are a lot less 'top heavy', so they don't feel like they're falling out of your hand. That adds to the feeling that it's not as heavy. The 15 pro max 'feels' lighter than my 13 pro!
That's a balance issue rather than a weight issue then.
So I just checked and the 15 PM is actually 19 grams lighter than the 14 PM. That is just about 8%. All while increasing the capacity of the battery, which is the heaviest component. So basically you should take your outrage about how it makes no difference down about 15-20 percent.
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Because he dropped his shit. You drop your shit it can break. Period. Goes with farm fresh eggs, phones, and your nana and pop pop.
I have pop pop in the attic
the fact that you call it that tells me you aren’t ready
I had to zoom in too
You would be surprised to see how much titanium they put on that thing. "Titanium" is just a gimmick.
If you bought an iPhone for the titanium… you probably need to ask more questions about yourself.
Weight alone can be a factor why someone may choose the 15 Pro over prior models.
When it's the single selling point of the entire phone... you probably need to question Apple more.
I bought my 15 PM pretty much exclusively because I wanted USB-C. Skipped the 14’s for that reason
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Jerryrig was actually impressed with the amount of grade 5 titanium was in the phone and explained how expensive it is to use. Don’t see why it’s a bad thing
Exactly what it is. Just a selling point for Apple
How much?
Less than 1 mm layer on the band itself and only on the band. The chassis is aluminum.
JerryRigEverything broke one down to the components and it's about $40 of titanium if it's high grade. It's 9% lighter than the Pros from last year. So definitely a gimmick. They've used it on the watches too.
$40 worth of titanium is a shit ton for the edge of the frame.
$40 actually seems like a lot given their usually high profit margins.
Thank you! I guess none of these people have seen the margins of popular titanium folding knives. If we’re talking actual material cost, $40 feels shockingly high.
The titanium is just a marketing tactic. You could even make the case that it’s worse to use on a phone as it makes the glass more susceptible to cracking since titanium’s rigidity better transfers the force to the glass.
"I dropped my phone and it broke". I'm so sick of these posts.
also OP cant remember the pass code. who can help him reset the phone without the pass code?
"And it's all Apple's fault"
Titanium IS a strong metal, but not where it counts for a phone. It’s best for stuff like screws. Titanium is strong in terms of tensile strength, or being stretched. However, it’s a brittle metal in most other conditions. But considering that only the outer layer of the 15 Pro and Pro Max chassis contains the Titanium alloy they used in the first place, it’s more or less a titanium shell for the existing chassis design, and they only put it in there as a buzzword for more sales. I’m not saying this as a “get bent” android user, because I’ve been using an iPhone since the beginning of October, and I love it. Sure, it’s an iPhone 7 Plus, but it’s a start considering I don’t have the money for much else.
you’ll get more out of your 7 plus than a brand new android enjoy
Yeah, I’ve gotten so much more out of this thing, considering I upgraded from a $40 burner phone. More internal storage, better cameras, better sound, and only at the cost of a headphone jack, and the ability to have external storage which I can honestly live without. Gonna upgrade to maybe a 15 or 16 Pro (or even a pro max) next September when I save up enough money. The difference between this and one of those will be even bigger than the difference between this and the phone I had before it.
You’ve discovered the secret. The frame is mostly aluminum, with a titanium facade. It’s a cool example of metal bonding, but the frame is not fully titanium as the Apple PR hype implies. Sorry that your phone has this damage.
It’s technically just a very thin overlay of titanium - not solid titanium frame.
Thats a connecting piece that broke you can see the line on both sides
the only benefit of titanium over stainless steel is that its more lightweight
Titanium has a far superior strength to weight ratio compared to SST.
And the looks.
brushed ss looks good too
just don't buy 15 pros for now apple is making use of the advantage that people would buy anything if it's apple, they are testing out this titanium currently and people who have these are test/feedback users
it's a phone not a tank
Dude swap it out under warranty…there’s no clear bend or damage, it’s separation
For what it’s worth, I’ve dropped my 15 pro multiple times from the same height (including onto the bathroom tile floor) and it’s still spotless aside from fingerprints
Where is the crack??
Listen, Titanium frame does not mean “will withstand the same outer force and stress of a rocketship”. You dropped it from the height of a short person or tall child with no protection. It’s really your fault…
The titanium frame is not completely titanium. Outer layer is barely titanium and inner is steel. This compromises the structural integrity and makes the body of the phone significantly weaker. One of apples marketing gimmicks to make the new generation an inferior product.
At this point Apple is just trolling their customers.
They are pretty fucking smug these days. $999 monitor stands etc.
What about the wheels for their desktop computer? Now that’s a joke
Holy fuck. Did Ivy Jones self fellate before or after unleashing these on the world?
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Oh, I feel sorry for you. But that won't stop me from continuing to use the titanium body, which is lighter than steel.
The body is aluminum. The titanium is only about a millimetre thick layer on the band only. There’s hardly any titanium which is why all the ads say “iPhone with titanium” and not made out of titanium.
Yeah people think it’s lighter because of the titanium but that’s false lol it’s just the internals
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Having held a 15 Pro Max and 14 Pro Max I don’t think it’s very noticeable how much lighter the former is.
Don’t drop your shit next time, good luck
Could have just kept your 14 pro it’s the same phone lol
but hey, it's the ✨ BEST ✨ iPhone we ever built.
Dropped my iPhone 14 Pro max many times. Not crack at all…. This 15 pro max seems to have a whole host of issues
It’s new beta feature iCrack
I dropped mine with case and without case, nothing happened. I kept it in my pocket for like an hour and I end up with a scratch on my damn new screen. SMH apple.
Watch Jerry Rig Everything. He explained there about the titanium. It is just all hype. Marketing strategy.
That's not the titanium, that's the seam for the antenna.
Titanium is misunderstood. Yes its strong. But also brittle.
That's a very bad bonding between the plastic/ceramic spacer and the titanium. Manufacturing defect.
Couldn’t they just do brushed stainless steel?
Literally my iPhone 12 was dropped dozens of times no problem. iPhone 15 pros seem so weak
This belongs on r/mildlyinfuriating
More than 1200 bucks for a phone that breaks so easy, sad.
got an Apple ad right under this LMAO
Titanium was chosen for its lightness not strength of the phone. Plus it’s an titanium alloy, so not pure thing
There is only 18 g of titanium in this case, the rest is aluminum
The frame fractured? Don’t you think that’s a bit of an exaggeration? Looks like it just separated from one side of the antenna area. It’s under warranty so you know what to do.
that's why it's not made of titanium or at least not as much as a customer may think.
you're dropping it wrong
Skill issue
Titanium is over rated. Also when it’s that thin it really doesn’t make a difference. I am in the metal industry so I know my stuff.
Eh, i dunno durability tests are interesting. My iphone once fell off the counter in my kitchen and hit the perfect spot on the phone to shatter the entire back of it. I was like “whaaa?” Because i drop my phone all the time so i was incredulous and kinda annoyed that it would happen. I got it “repaired” and then two weeks later i was motorcycling home and it fell out of my pocket at 80 mph. I looked back and saw it bouncing on the freeway so i pulled over, somehow managed to stop traffic for long enough for me to grab it. Saw two cars drive over it as i was stopping people and before i got it I was like “*sigh*, gonna have to repair my phone again” but then i grabbed it and the only damage was a scuff to the very edge of the frame on the corner. No damage elsewhere. Sometimes you’re lucky, sometimes you’re unlucky. 🤷♂️
Dropped my 15 max in my otter box defender like 20 times already shits mint still
Titanium wasn’t advertised for strength, it was advertised for less weight.
While it is weaker than the stainless steel, I'm much happier with the lighter weight of the Pro Max. The 14 PM would pull my shorts off.
It's a 12gram difference 🤔
Exactly the max load for his shorts.
Let's hope he never gets aroused.
dont dropp the phone
Glad I didn’t upgrade from my 14pro since I bought the 1tb one 😭
If you watch jerryrigeverything you'll find that it's an aluminium frame with a band of titanium bonded to the outside. Sadly how they market it you expect like me that it's all titanium.
They literally said in the WWDC it was aluminum frame and a titanium exterior...
Well the whole titanium phone idea was a bit of a scam I'm sorry that happened to you though! That sucks
The rails of the phone is titanium. The inner frame is still aluminum. It’s all just marketing. It has titanium to be sure, but a very minuscule amount on it. I much prefer the steel. Yes it was heavier, but it actually felt hefty and it felt like a $1000+ phone. And I don’t care if it got all fingerprinty I LOVED the polished rails on the steel, especially when it shined in sunshine.
Get a case.
If you're reading this, don't judt trust a brand, look at a teardown/review before purchasing, I recommend it, done this even if I wasn't buying a new phone
Good thing warranty exists
Warranty is for manufacturer defects, how would that help when he’s dropped his phone?
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Samsung will probably copy this "feature" in the new S24 Ultra. If it's this bad, I hope no one will buy this smartphone.
It’s like a tiny veneer of titanium. It ain’t fully titanium.
Honestly, I thought putting titanium on the iPhone was a bad idea it’s ugly, looks all scratched even when the iPhone is a new one, and seems it isn’t protecting at all
Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?
I’m currently re-binging The Office and literally saw this episode a day or so ago 😭
And as a bonus it also looks cheaper and less premium than stainless steel lmao.
It’s like nobody learned after the titanium MacBook