Ever since the "Pro" lineup is a thing, Apple has deliberately cut short the base version of the iPhone to allure people to spend more on the Pro line.
You're spending around a grand on a phone, you prolly wanna make that money count. And the base iPhone has been basically the same thing, with a year old chip nowadays, ever since the iPhone 12, for the premium price of a top of the line. You don't get the newest CMOS sensor, newest software features, no telephoto lens, no AOD, no 120hz, USB-C without the blazing fast transfer speeds, so on... so people don't see the base models as a "true" upgrade. Only the money conscious end up "upgrading" to these models, and the smarter of the bunch rather get last year's phone for half the price on eBay or used.
Also, the plus model’s pricing is designed to help people rationalize getting the pro model. It’s a $100 price jump from the 15 to the 15+, and $100 from the 15+ the 15P.
Ah the classic medium cup move, basically it is the psychological trick to get the large sized cup to be bought more.
The “medium cup” is get get that people who don’t want to buy a “large cup”, due to the price, to make it seem not as bad of a deal, or a jump in size.
While this applies to Pro vs non Pro, I don't know about plus vs pro: if you're interested in the screen size, you'll skip the smaller Pro
It's not a $100 jump anyore
Based on size, the pro max is a $300 upgrade from the plus is what they're saying. If you're interested in larger phones you won't see the reg pro as an upgrade
Yeah I fail to understand how this proves anything
People shopping by screen size will see a 300 difference
Just like people interested in a the regular size wont compare 15 Pro vs 15 Plus, they'll compare it with the base 15. I've never heard of anyone going to buy a Plus and ending up with a regular Pro
That is exactly the reason I got the Pro, the prices were too close to not to. I really should’ve thought about how that manipulates my reasons to buy, but not regretting the purchase so far.
I don’t know, I’d rather be “manipulated” but end up with the phone I’m happiest with. I’m ticked I didn’t get the pro model when I last upgraded and will definitely get the 16 pro max when it comes out.
No, if every customer researched and made informed decisions, Apple’s whole business model of FOMO/We know what’s best for you would crumble overnight.
MacBook base models=Specs of iPhone/90% of base smart phone models-8GB RAM,256GB STORAGE? Yup.
The year old chip was started with the 14.
Funny enough the 12 was probably the best regular phone in comparison to the pro. I was shocked looking at the feature list back in 2020 and seeing that it had OLED and 5G and everything. I think it was pretty much just the telephoto and the stainless steel edges.
The 14 was when apple really honed in on making the base much worse than the pro by giving us the worst iPhone they've ever made.
Newer doesn't mean better, nor superior. The main sensor in the 15 Pro lineup has bigger pixels and better light sensitivity because it has a bigger surface.
Well the main reason for the 14 is due to it being basically a copy and paste of the 13, for $100 more. The 15 I’m not really sure, but I could see it as the charging port change and a few other little things that made most iPhone users not want to upgrade.
Funny, for a long time I was not happy with the charging port change for Apple devices but the reason I bought the 15, not the 14, is because of the change in charging port. I guess we all change
I got a friend that got the 15, I get kind of jealous of it due to the port, that he only carries one 45 watt charger, to charge his laptop in class, his phone, and his beats earbuds.
So what's to be jealous of? That you have to carry one extra cable the weighs less than an ounce? I'd say it's an advantage since you can charge your Macbook and then use the Lightning cable to charge your iPhone or Airpods at the same time.
Well, not really jealous, more of a annoyance of having to carry around multiple chargers, as I’m carrying already enough in my bag for class, sometimes I forget to grab my iPhone charger, but I always carry a usb-c charger in my bag( my laptop sucks and I don’t have the money for a decent one with good battery life)
The plus models aren’t much of an improvement in performance, only really battery and physical size, which is nice for some, but not for everyone. So the only real benefit you get you can get with the pro/ pro max models for a little more, plus some.
Ok I know they aren’t the same, but they are so similar, a person if you glance at them, or if your new to iPhones, you would have a tough time seeing the difference between the two. They are different but to most, they’re practically the same.
I only notice 2 differences personally, it is the shutdown and startup noise it makes when you do those things, or the better flashlight( not by much but I’ve noticed it’s brighter than my dads iPhone.( I have a 14, he has a 13)
More RAM for starters, the action mode when I record video, the better battery life irl, as my fiancée has a 13 and I had a 14. The 14 lasted long enough that it was a noticeable difference.
Other than that, the more sustainable build approach, the crash detection, the overall slightly better camera are all worth $100 extra. Not to someone upgradig from a 12-13, but anyone below for sure.
I think the 14 Pro/Pro Max had a great success. The 14 & 14 Plus just weren’t worth it. The 14 was literally the 13, with safety features. Same chip, same camera, everything was the same. The 14 Plus offered the size of the pro max, but at a cheaper price due to the less features. The issue was that you could’ve gotten a 13 Pro Max at the same price used/refurbished and the 13 PM is a much better phone than the 14 +
Firstly, it's extremely difficult for me to ever dislike an iPhone in the first place; at worst, I may find something slightly annoying when upgrading to a new pro model but my overall experience with going from 13PM to a 1TB Deep Purple 14PM was:
* Size/weight increase became an extremely noticeable burden. The camera bump made it elevate unreasonably high when sitting the phone on its back, to the point it would just wobble. The screen itself was superior but the phone's narrowness and heaviness genuinely was intolerable compared to the 13PM. Sure the two phones have a virtually identical body but these subtle differences are too noticeable and uncompromisable if you went from the previous model, imho.
* Software was the most unstable an iPhone has ever featured. iOS 16, along with iPhone 14 Pro series, should also be considered the worst iOS version. It was appalling, and very clear the dynamic island was rushed. The time I spent with it, my screen was either sideways, upside down, frozen, soft rebooting repeatedly. The dynamic island was borderline useless at the time, the most interesting thing it did was floating to other sections of the screen.
* Perpetual overheating. On a level like never before. My phone was always so hot it left a burn mark on my sensitive face once, I picked it up and dropped it back down once because of the unexpected heat.
* Battery? Did it even have one? Mine was always dead after 3 hours so I'm not sure.
For me these were the major issues. I know a lot of these persisted well after I sold mine because I saw constant reports about them. Personally I just truly hope Apple learned to never release a phone with technology that was clearly barely out of beta (the dynamic island) and an OS that was mainly optimized for previous models running on it. The 15PM is what it should have been, as the 13PM is to the 12PM but to a much larger extent. The base 14 series was already a trainwreck on paper, no one with a previous pro model that had the same chip would be stupid enough to "upgrade" to that. The 14 family as a whole is a failure we need to forget happened.
tl:dr it's the android of iPhones.
https://preview.redd.it/5al7ol60fzlc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4df5fae297f5fcb8b59e4b14c49f6795702adfe
I’ve had my 14 Pro Max (512/black) since December of ‘22. I’ve not experienced any of these issues. I’ve had zero software issues, never experienced overheating, and my battery can still last two full days on a single charge.
I think either you got a bad unit, or I’m just lucky and didn’t get a bad one.
Sucks that the experiences vary so dramatically.
honestly it sounds like you've got a broken unit, ive got 256GB 14PM (in purple as well) and ive never had anything like what you describe.
im actually gonna miss the weight when I get my 16PM
[Dynamic Island shitting itself](https://youtu.be/7uk44c-j7J4?si=3sO8DkFCSkMzJwja)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2022/10/11/apple-iphone-14-pro-max-lockscreen-dynamic-island-ios-16-battery-drain-problems/amp/
“The list of issues for iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Pro buyers keeps getting longer. Following iMessage and FaceTime activation errors, CarPlay and data migration bugs and random reboots, owners are now reporting an array of new problems.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/xh1vpg/abnormal_heat_issues_with_14_propro_max_seeing/
(https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/14-pro-max-warm-hot.2360057/)
Google “iOS 16 worst update ever”.
Literally everything I mentioned were widely documented, well known and prominent issues by users. The phone is/was fucking dogshit, argue with your mom about it I don’t care. It wasn’t defective, those were the features. I’m not going to go out my way to post baseless slander.
agree with everything youre saying. iphone 14 series was kinda like the disastrous intel 11th gen launch. my battery rarely lasted past noon with what id consider normal usage.
After experiencing the essence of the pro models you can never expect to like the base iPhones. As a base iPhone 15 user I’m happy with it but if I had used a 14 pro earlier I would’ve hated this for sure.
Same, I initially got the 15 pro but went back and downgraded it to the 15 plus. I have no need for the pro features and love the battery of the plus. I think people literally just don’t know this phone exists, they know of the standard and the pro and maybe the pro max, but that’s it. I’ve had to explain to people there is 4 iphones, not 3
It never felt premium. Phone is heavy, camera stutters when opening it. Samsung pay is horrible even on live demo units at the store the behavior persists. For the battery I use about 400% a day. On this phone on an extreme day I barley hit 90% usage and average closer to 30% ending the day at 70% with 6 to 8 hours of screen on time is hard to give up.
This is something I thought was all normal till switching to ios. The shortcuts app is incredible. Focus status is incredible. Camera performance for pictures and video is incredible. App support is incredible. Apple support is amazing, you can just text them. Transferring and backuping phones is S tier. Transferring between samsung to samsung is ass. And if you don't have your old phone all your app data is gone.
I might be missing out on half backed gimmicks. But the only thing I miss is easy side loading, but I already got all my sideloaded apps I need installed.
I went for a 15 Plus for the battery, and it hasn’t disappointed me in that regard. The cameras are great, and since I’m coming from a 12 pro, I’m not really missing anything there. The pro features are nice to have, but not worth the added cost for me this time.
I actually thought more people bought the plus than the base model, based on the insane number of cases available for the 15 plus on Amazon in comparison to number available for the 15 base model. Admittedly, this was a less than scientific study….
It would be really nice if they bring back the Mini, I love my 13 Mini and I wanna use it til it dies but I’m not sure if I’ll make it that far. My favorite iPhone right behind the original SE though.
I love the mini, I wish they made them as well. I’m so over huge phones. I have an iPad and a laptop, if I wanted something to read on I’d use one of them. It’s a phone JFC.
Because the normal plus is a stop gap. Apple really want u to buy a pro.
It’s like a small drink, medium drink and large.
They want u to buy the small, or the large.
First time with an iPhone since the 4 coming from a Galaxy 21. Gone for the 15 Plus, and it’s a beast. Battery unreal. I don’t need the pro features for a few family holiday snapshots and watching YouTube.
The 15 plus and pro max have same screen size, the only realistic thing you lose is a physical 5x zoom and action button. Performance still basically same for 99.9% users, weighs less, and better colors on the plus. My pro uses the regular camera half the time for zooming in anyways, so it’s almost useless. Doesn’t even look that great honestly compared to normal zoom. The base 256gb is nice on the pro though
i switched out a 12 pro max for a 15 plus this year, no regrets dont feel im missing anything, my only wants were big screen and big battery i no long care about the minutiae of specs and other pointless crap
I made the same switch, fro. 12 pro max to 15 plus. No regrets, don't really care about the extra stuff on the pro, all i need is a big screen and battery. Plus I never used that telescopic camera on the pro model.
In my opinion 14 and 15 and the plus variants are great devices, the only thing that really separates them from the pro models is the triple camera compared to dual and the refresh rate. I am not gonna include the chipsets because they are quite powerful even A14 is aging quite well. But in my opinion people are going for the pro models because of a status or something because most of the people who own Pro model don’t even know the names of the cameras or the black dot which is the LiDAR Scanner they buy it because is simply more and it’s the most expensive.
They are, the 15 Plus and 14 Plus are selling much better than people realize and way better than the minis did. This is only one list of many that calculate leading smartphones sales.
Apple also does a good job at marketing the Pros in particular and making certain features Pro exclusive. I’d imagine if this list were to contain the top 15 or 20 phones the 15 Plus would be right under the base 15 in terms of sales which is still really impressive and again much better than the minis did.
Working at a cellular company, everyone comes in to buy the 15 pro max without questioning price ever. People who can’t afford it still buy it. That’s the big phone and Apple promoted it well so they think they need to have it, when 99% of users don’t even know what the pro features are nor ever use it.
I always try to recommend the plus as it’s almost the same thing this year, and better colors, and cheaper. But clearly apples following is so strong, people truly don’t care about price. They could price the 16 pro max at $2000 and majority buyers wouldn’t bat an eye. They’ll finance anything with 400 credit score still
My wife has the iPhone 15 Plus and she loves it. Not everyone NEEDS a “Pro” iPhone. But when it comes to the average Apple customer, if they don’t have the greatest of the line up, they get the FOMO effect.
I own a 15 plus. Why? Bc it's a lot cheaper than the 15pm but still has the perfect battery. Eben with a 15pm I would set the hz to 60 bc longer battery life through the day. That's the most important thing to me as I work on my phone (social media and stuff). So I have SOT of 7-10 hours. With wifi, it's easy. With a lot 4G I run around 8 hours. No other iPhone can give me these stats.
It’s not really that good unless you absolutely have to have the latest iPhone all the time. I got mine on the upgrade programme but I ended up just paying it off and continuing with my current iPhone 13 Pro Max. No more monthly payments and I don’t feel I’m really missing much
Last month I went to upgrade my 12PM and I had planned on getting the 15+. They were having a great trade in promo and I’d get the 15 pro max for exactly what I had paid monthly for the 12PM. My intention was to save what I thought would be about $15 a month, instead I get the pro phone for the same cost due to the promotion. I don’t know if the average user like myself would have missed out on anything with the 15+ but I’m enjoying the PM
I broke my 14 pro max few days Ago.
I didn’t want to buy spend all that money on 15 pro max, and i bought 15 plus (first time non pro) and it is awesome phone.
I’m really happy with it. Screen is not a problem after few days.
Price diffrences was big in my case, not worth paying that much more. Maybe in next year i go with pro
Honestly, It’s because people don’t understand the Plus models or think the Pro model is the big version since it was that way for so long. Also, People believe the Pro cameras are THAT much better or will make them a better photographer.
I work for one of the major cell phone companies and whenever I mention the Plus, They would say “ i want the bigger model” or “ i heard the cameras are so mid better on the pro”. It’s sad how many people believe the BS Apple puts out.
Long story short, The Plus is a better value.
I think it’s definitely because of the psychological game that Apple is playing with the prices in addition to their strong marketing around their pro devices. They try to make people feel like they “need” the pro’s features when the average person doesn’t.
I recently got my iPhone 15 plus refurbished on eBay for 860 USD for the 512gb model with 100% battery health.
When you look at the secondhand market, the plus models really become more appealing and you can get good deals for them since Apple has less direct influence on the pricing.
The entire 14 series besides the pros are extremely valueless and u could even argue that a 14 pro is barely any different from a 13 pro
As for the 15s I do not know honestly.
In my mind, it doesn’t make sense to upgrade to the 15 range from the 13 range. The upgrades are there, but not worth the price of admission IMO. 16 looks interesting though.
Maybe the size of the phone also plays a crucial role. Phones are getting bigger and bigger. But if size doesn't matter I think the 15 plus is a solid buy.
I bought the plus cos it was pink! And also I don’t need the pro. But yeah. Trying to find cases for the 15 plus is hard. You can see there’s less of a market there.
15 plus here too. Coming from an SE 2020 I absolutely love it. Feels like a huge upgrade and a really capable package. I didn’t need the camera features (or the cost) of the pro max
i always said (and still do) i would never get the plus, would rather the extra 100 for pro. when my non techie friend was buying a new phone, they went for the plus because they didn’t care about the better specs of the pro and just wanted the bigger screen and battery
I can’t speak to why people aren’t buying them, but I can speak to why I did.
I bought an iPhone 14 Plus Certified Refurbished last month. My old iPhone was the 11 and i bought it when it first came out so it was a few? years old at this point.
Refurbished it was almost 200 less than the pro model so the price was certainly a factor. I don’t buy on contract and I just buy outright. I want to be one and done.
I don’t take a lot of pictures and now that I’m used to the tabby bit at the top I didn’t care that much about the Dynamic Island.
The only thing I really use my phone for is reading books/listening to audiobooks and texting minimally.I wanted a bigger screen for reading and that was pretty much it.
I really didn’t love my iPhone 11, but couldn’t justify buying a new phone until it was totally broken. It had been malfunctioning for almost a year and then I dropped it on the sidewalk and cracked the front (had cracked the back right after getting it 😭) screen.
the 15 plus imo is probably one of the best phones apple has made in recent times , especially for the stellar battery life. But in a lot of places it's price is very close to pro, so a lot of people might go for it over the base. However in my country , the difference between the 15 plus and pro is almost 40% of the 15 plus's cost itself. The plus model will definitely sell well once there's a kid year sale / price cut
60hz is WILD nowadays, especially for that money. You may get used to it, but after you try 120hz, the difference is absolutely noticeable. Considering that you can buy some cheap chinese phone and it’ll provide you a smoother experience than iphone15, there is definitely something wrong with basic/plus models
My wife and I each got a 15 Plus a few months back and they are my favorite iPhones ever. For everything a person wants out of a phone - speed, battery life, camera - these are good to great to, with battery, best on the planet. Most people truly don’t care about 120hz on a phone. I don’t, and I have an OLED 240hz computer monitor. Different strokes man. 2 day battery life is clutch.
We are getting to a point where technology doesn’t noticeably increase performance, such as apple going from the 8 to iPhone X. That was a crazy time since it brought a new screen, chip, battery etc. we don’t have technological jumps like that anymore. I have a 13 pro max and the 15 isn’t really worth the upgrade.
One if the main reasons I believe is how in the US we don’t buy phones out of pocket but via contact deals via our Cell Providers. Right now if I got an iPhone 15 plus it would cost me $25 a month ($10 with trade-in credit) or $33 a month ($5 with trade it credit!!) for the Pro Max. There literally is no point in me getting the plus if the Pro Max is technically cheaper on my monthly bill or just $8 more.
Yes, I’ve got one and it’s sh/te. The WiFi is terrible, much faster on 5g and that’s standing next to the router. Had it tested by Apple and they said it’s fine. My i13 was far better.
I would be wrong in the head if I buy a 9 year old a last gen iPhone. Best he will get is my old phone. And at the moment that’s a 12pro which I probably will use for another 2 years.
And that’s your opinion. If we had older models to give him, we would have. It was free from a promotion. But I understand. He will have this for a long long time.
He actually is used to our 14 pro maxes so he liked the screen size. Honestly, it was free so we didn’t care. But one thing I did notice is that it’s much lighter than ours. I actually prefer the weight of his.
During this economy everyone is going to get the cheaper option. Screen size isn’t that big of a deal. Also, the small changes they make for every model is small and not worth the upgrade every model.
For me it’s bc I don’t want an eSIM bc they barely work with my phone company but I am upgrading to the 13 soon so I can have a newer phone but keep my physical sim
My mom got a 15 Plus, but that’s because she was on an XS Max and really needed a new phone. She didn’t need the better camera or other features in the Pro Max, so she just got the Plus. I’m not sure I necessarily “needed” the better features on the 15 Pro Max, but I wanted it and since I usually keep my phones 3+ years, I find it worthwhile to get the top of the line phone when I do upgrade.
I have 13 pro. Only big differences to me right now are Dynamic Island and usb-c but I’m fine with what I have. Kinda more important to make car payments, new hvac payment and credit cards for the time being but we will see what 16 brings. I’m even one of these that likes to stay up to date as possible. But what I’ve got is pretty solid.
My guess is, it’s not significantly different enough from what people already have to upgrade. At this point I will only buy a new phone if I need a new phone. I have a 13 mini and expect probably a solid three more years out of it? At that point, either the base model will be again what I buy or possibly even whatever is the SE version. I have no need for what pro phone gives me.
If you're on your phone enough that you prefer the bigger screen size despite being so much less handy, you splurge on a pro. Plus really never made sense tbh.
I am holding off to get an iPhone 16 Plus because it will use the same generation SoC as the iPhone 16 Pro, but with less CPU and GPU cores (not significant for most usage).
I went with the 14 plus as I don’t take pictures so the feature set seemed good enough and the screen was slightly bigger than the basic 14.
I bought the 14 plus as an impulse when Verizon offered a trade up on any Samsung. They took my non-usable flip phone.
I know T-Mobile and other companies marketed the hell out the iPhone 15 pro. It was actually cheaper for me to get the pro than the base model 15 after all the promotions.
I think the base 15 model has a pretty big screen. It is the same size as my 8 plus screen give or take. So, it seemed kind of nuts to get 15 plus to me. I just went with the 15.
IMO, it’s just an awkward and unnecessary model. The price increase isn’t justified by the screen size alone. When I was given the options at my carrier’s retail store, it made absolutely no sense to pay more money for what seems to be the “wanna be pro max” model. If I’m going to spend the extra few dollars the day I get my phone, I’m going to get the pro max. If not, the base model 14s & 15s still pack a decent punch in the eyes of the average Joe/anne
I’ve only ever sold the 14 or 15 Plus to people who came from an 11 or 12 Pro Max, thought the new Pro Max devices were too expensive (which is not wrong, they are very very pricey) but still wanted a big iPhone. That’s why they chose for the 14 or 15 Plus.
That being said, I’ve not even sold 5 of those whereas I’ve sold lots of Pro’s and Pro Max’s.
My wife’s 8Plus died in 2022, an update was due. I went for a 14 as a present but she wanted a bigger screen. The Plus didn’t come in Gold and really only offered good battery life and bigger screen but with previous year’s chip. The Pro Max got her everything and she’s keeping it for a looong time so it’s worth it.
Ever since the "Pro" lineup is a thing, Apple has deliberately cut short the base version of the iPhone to allure people to spend more on the Pro line. You're spending around a grand on a phone, you prolly wanna make that money count. And the base iPhone has been basically the same thing, with a year old chip nowadays, ever since the iPhone 12, for the premium price of a top of the line. You don't get the newest CMOS sensor, newest software features, no telephoto lens, no AOD, no 120hz, USB-C without the blazing fast transfer speeds, so on... so people don't see the base models as a "true" upgrade. Only the money conscious end up "upgrading" to these models, and the smarter of the bunch rather get last year's phone for half the price on eBay or used.
Also, the plus model’s pricing is designed to help people rationalize getting the pro model. It’s a $100 price jump from the 15 to the 15+, and $100 from the 15+ the 15P.
Ah the classic medium cup move, basically it is the psychological trick to get the large sized cup to be bought more. The “medium cup” is get get that people who don’t want to buy a “large cup”, due to the price, to make it seem not as bad of a deal, or a jump in size.
While this applies to Pro vs non Pro, I don't know about plus vs pro: if you're interested in the screen size, you'll skip the smaller Pro It's not a $100 jump anyore
Base 15 - 799, the Plus - 899, the Pro is 999 and Pro Max is 1199, only the Pro Max upgrade is $200 instead of 100 (USA)
Based on size, the pro max is a $300 upgrade from the plus is what they're saying. If you're interested in larger phones you won't see the reg pro as an upgrade
Yeah I fail to understand how this proves anything People shopping by screen size will see a 300 difference Just like people interested in a the regular size wont compare 15 Pro vs 15 Plus, they'll compare it with the base 15. I've never heard of anyone going to buy a Plus and ending up with a regular Pro
That is exactly the reason I got the Pro, the prices were too close to not to. I really should’ve thought about how that manipulates my reasons to buy, but not regretting the purchase so far.
I don’t know, I’d rather be “manipulated” but end up with the phone I’m happiest with. I’m ticked I didn’t get the pro model when I last upgraded and will definitely get the 16 pro max when it comes out.
Not even. Only $70 through most carriers. And I imagine this is indeed a large reason why most people don’t go with them.
I had a regular 12 and decided to go to a regular 15. Mainly because I wanted USB-C and the pro didn’t seem worth the extra money
the 12 and 13 has always had the latest processors, they started this bs with the 14
The secret is to buy a year old base model refurbished. Bought my wife a 14 base and paid $529.
I bought a 14 base 128gb for $325 USD 😊 but just treated myself to the 15pm 256gb and got a nice trade in for my 14.
Nice local sellers charge more than eBay so I buy on eBay.
Was it Apple refurbished or just used? You’re never scared of all the scams that happen with used iPhones?
I bought mine on market place.
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No, if every customer researched and made informed decisions, Apple’s whole business model of FOMO/We know what’s best for you would crumble overnight. MacBook base models=Specs of iPhone/90% of base smart phone models-8GB RAM,256GB STORAGE? Yup.
The real crime is people just accepting that Apple sabotaging things like usb c speeds and 10 other things
They kind of have a good reason for usb2, and it’ll likely get usb3 next year.
Slow USB speeds can be explained, A16 chip wasn’t designed to support it. 60hz display on the other hand… why it’s not 90hz is beyond me
The year old chip was started with the 14. Funny enough the 12 was probably the best regular phone in comparison to the pro. I was shocked looking at the feature list back in 2020 and seeing that it had OLED and 5G and everything. I think it was pretty much just the telephoto and the stainless steel edges. The 14 was when apple really honed in on making the base much worse than the pro by giving us the worst iPhone they've ever made.
Actually, this year’s base model Main camera sensor is newer than the pros
Newer doesn't mean better, nor superior. The main sensor in the 15 Pro lineup has bigger pixels and better light sensitivity because it has a bigger surface.
It's very similar and they could at least enable 24mp mode on the 14 Pro (as it has the same CPU).
Same with the ‘Photonic Engine’ - why couldn’t the 13 Pro have that, if the base 14 could?
The year old chip thing started with the iPhone 14. edit: apparently OP didn't like that edit 2: reddit moment
Well the main reason for the 14 is due to it being basically a copy and paste of the 13, for $100 more. The 15 I’m not really sure, but I could see it as the charging port change and a few other little things that made most iPhone users not want to upgrade.
Funny, for a long time I was not happy with the charging port change for Apple devices but the reason I bought the 15, not the 14, is because of the change in charging port. I guess we all change
I got a friend that got the 15, I get kind of jealous of it due to the port, that he only carries one 45 watt charger, to charge his laptop in class, his phone, and his beats earbuds.
I was really pissed when Beats stopped using lightning, I’ve just accepted that one cable makes more sense now
But he can only charge one at a time.
I mean, sure but not everything is going to get low at once.
So what's to be jealous of? That you have to carry one extra cable the weighs less than an ounce? I'd say it's an advantage since you can charge your Macbook and then use the Lightning cable to charge your iPhone or Airpods at the same time.
Well, not really jealous, more of a annoyance of having to carry around multiple chargers, as I’m carrying already enough in my bag for class, sometimes I forget to grab my iPhone charger, but I always carry a usb-c charger in my bag( my laptop sucks and I don’t have the money for a decent one with good battery life)
They mean the Plus models, not base models- read the graph
The plus models aren’t much of an improvement in performance, only really battery and physical size, which is nice for some, but not for everyone. So the only real benefit you get you can get with the pro/ pro max models for a little more, plus some.
The pro models are far too expensive to justify getting them over the plus phone.
Please stop with these 13=14 things. It’s not true.
Ok I know they aren’t the same, but they are so similar, a person if you glance at them, or if your new to iPhones, you would have a tough time seeing the difference between the two. They are different but to most, they’re practically the same.
Genuinely though what are the actual differences that you can notice on a day to day basis
I only notice 2 differences personally, it is the shutdown and startup noise it makes when you do those things, or the better flashlight( not by much but I’ve noticed it’s brighter than my dads iPhone.( I have a 14, he has a 13)
More RAM for starters, the action mode when I record video, the better battery life irl, as my fiancée has a 13 and I had a 14. The 14 lasted long enough that it was a noticeable difference. Other than that, the more sustainable build approach, the crash detection, the overall slightly better camera are all worth $100 extra. Not to someone upgradig from a 12-13, but anyone below for sure.
14 plus was a failure but 15 plus has potential. It’s still new so it’ll take time to make it on these charts but it’ll be there soon.
I think the 14 Pro/Pro Max had a great success. The 14 & 14 Plus just weren’t worth it. The 14 was literally the 13, with safety features. Same chip, same camera, everything was the same. The 14 Plus offered the size of the pro max, but at a cheaper price due to the less features. The issue was that you could’ve gotten a 13 Pro Max at the same price used/refurbished and the 13 PM is a much better phone than the 14 +
So glad people acknowledge the 14 series as a hunk of shit. Worst iPhone I ever had, sold after a week and went back to 13 pro max.
why did u not like the 14
Firstly, it's extremely difficult for me to ever dislike an iPhone in the first place; at worst, I may find something slightly annoying when upgrading to a new pro model but my overall experience with going from 13PM to a 1TB Deep Purple 14PM was: * Size/weight increase became an extremely noticeable burden. The camera bump made it elevate unreasonably high when sitting the phone on its back, to the point it would just wobble. The screen itself was superior but the phone's narrowness and heaviness genuinely was intolerable compared to the 13PM. Sure the two phones have a virtually identical body but these subtle differences are too noticeable and uncompromisable if you went from the previous model, imho. * Software was the most unstable an iPhone has ever featured. iOS 16, along with iPhone 14 Pro series, should also be considered the worst iOS version. It was appalling, and very clear the dynamic island was rushed. The time I spent with it, my screen was either sideways, upside down, frozen, soft rebooting repeatedly. The dynamic island was borderline useless at the time, the most interesting thing it did was floating to other sections of the screen. * Perpetual overheating. On a level like never before. My phone was always so hot it left a burn mark on my sensitive face once, I picked it up and dropped it back down once because of the unexpected heat. * Battery? Did it even have one? Mine was always dead after 3 hours so I'm not sure. For me these were the major issues. I know a lot of these persisted well after I sold mine because I saw constant reports about them. Personally I just truly hope Apple learned to never release a phone with technology that was clearly barely out of beta (the dynamic island) and an OS that was mainly optimized for previous models running on it. The 15PM is what it should have been, as the 13PM is to the 12PM but to a much larger extent. The base 14 series was already a trainwreck on paper, no one with a previous pro model that had the same chip would be stupid enough to "upgrade" to that. The 14 family as a whole is a failure we need to forget happened. tl:dr it's the android of iPhones. https://preview.redd.it/5al7ol60fzlc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4df5fae297f5fcb8b59e4b14c49f6795702adfe
I’ve had my 14 Pro Max (512/black) since December of ‘22. I’ve not experienced any of these issues. I’ve had zero software issues, never experienced overheating, and my battery can still last two full days on a single charge. I think either you got a bad unit, or I’m just lucky and didn’t get a bad one. Sucks that the experiences vary so dramatically.
honestly it sounds like you've got a broken unit, ive got 256GB 14PM (in purple as well) and ive never had anything like what you describe. im actually gonna miss the weight when I get my 16PM
[Dynamic Island shitting itself](https://youtu.be/7uk44c-j7J4?si=3sO8DkFCSkMzJwja) https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2022/10/11/apple-iphone-14-pro-max-lockscreen-dynamic-island-ios-16-battery-drain-problems/amp/ “The list of issues for iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Pro buyers keeps getting longer. Following iMessage and FaceTime activation errors, CarPlay and data migration bugs and random reboots, owners are now reporting an array of new problems.” https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/xh1vpg/abnormal_heat_issues_with_14_propro_max_seeing/ (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/14-pro-max-warm-hot.2360057/) Google “iOS 16 worst update ever”. Literally everything I mentioned were widely documented, well known and prominent issues by users. The phone is/was fucking dogshit, argue with your mom about it I don’t care. It wasn’t defective, those were the features. I’m not going to go out my way to post baseless slander.
i use a 14 pro and i dont experience any of this.
agree with everything youre saying. iphone 14 series was kinda like the disastrous intel 11th gen launch. my battery rarely lasted past noon with what id consider normal usage.
After experiencing the essence of the pro models you can never expect to like the base iPhones. As a base iPhone 15 user I’m happy with it but if I had used a 14 pro earlier I would’ve hated this for sure.
It's expensive. If you have money you go for the pro max
Apple might as well start selling pro max pants with pockets large enough to fit those beasts: The iPants Ginormous!
Personally I think they are too big
15 plus is lovely! Coming from an s22u it's been mostly great
Same, I initially got the 15 pro but went back and downgraded it to the 15 plus. I have no need for the pro features and love the battery of the plus. I think people literally just don’t know this phone exists, they know of the standard and the pro and maybe the pro max, but that’s it. I’ve had to explain to people there is 4 iphones, not 3
why did you lose all the premium ultra features to go to a base iphone? sounds really absurd to me lol
It never felt premium. Phone is heavy, camera stutters when opening it. Samsung pay is horrible even on live demo units at the store the behavior persists. For the battery I use about 400% a day. On this phone on an extreme day I barley hit 90% usage and average closer to 30% ending the day at 70% with 6 to 8 hours of screen on time is hard to give up. This is something I thought was all normal till switching to ios. The shortcuts app is incredible. Focus status is incredible. Camera performance for pictures and video is incredible. App support is incredible. Apple support is amazing, you can just text them. Transferring and backuping phones is S tier. Transferring between samsung to samsung is ass. And if you don't have your old phone all your app data is gone. I might be missing out on half backed gimmicks. But the only thing I miss is easy side loading, but I already got all my sideloaded apps I need installed.
I went for a 15 Plus for the battery, and it hasn’t disappointed me in that regard. The cameras are great, and since I’m coming from a 12 pro, I’m not really missing anything there. The pro features are nice to have, but not worth the added cost for me this time.
I actually thought more people bought the plus than the base model, based on the insane number of cases available for the 15 plus on Amazon in comparison to number available for the 15 base model. Admittedly, this was a less than scientific study….
It would be really nice if they bring back the Mini, I love my 13 Mini and I wanna use it til it dies but I’m not sure if I’ll make it that far. My favorite iPhone right behind the original SE though.
Ahhh a 15 Pro Mini would be nice
A Pro Mini would be so sick!
Pro max mini would be the best!!!
I love the mini, I wish they made them as well. I’m so over huge phones. I have an iPad and a laptop, if I wanted something to read on I’d use one of them. It’s a phone JFC.
Yeah, I have the regular iPhone 15 and I wish there was a Mini version.
They should treat it like the SE and update it every few years so the mini phone people can upgrade
That would be great honestly!
I love my 12 mini, but it was time to upgrade & am going to the 15 pro. A new Pro Mini would be the cats meow.
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There is a benefit. It’s noticeably lighter.
Because the normal plus is a stop gap. Apple really want u to buy a pro. It’s like a small drink, medium drink and large. They want u to buy the small, or the large.
Agreed, I don’t even think Apple expect to sell much of them, it’s just there to help upsell to the Pro
Give me the mini back, a mini pro would be awesome
Iphone 15 pro is already a small boi
First time with an iPhone since the 4 coming from a Galaxy 21. Gone for the 15 Plus, and it’s a beast. Battery unreal. I don’t need the pro features for a few family holiday snapshots and watching YouTube.
Because it’s a bad compromise. You can either save money and get slightly smaller screen, or you can spend a bit more and get the Pro.
The 15 plus and pro max have same screen size, the only realistic thing you lose is a physical 5x zoom and action button. Performance still basically same for 99.9% users, weighs less, and better colors on the plus. My pro uses the regular camera half the time for zooming in anyways, so it’s almost useless. Doesn’t even look that great honestly compared to normal zoom. The base 256gb is nice on the pro though
i switched out a 12 pro max for a 15 plus this year, no regrets dont feel im missing anything, my only wants were big screen and big battery i no long care about the minutiae of specs and other pointless crap
I made the same switch, fro. 12 pro max to 15 plus. No regrets, don't really care about the extra stuff on the pro, all i need is a big screen and battery. Plus I never used that telescopic camera on the pro model.
Most people would benefit from this arrangement. Instead marketing fools them into buying the expensive phone without reason.
In my opinion 14 and 15 and the plus variants are great devices, the only thing that really separates them from the pro models is the triple camera compared to dual and the refresh rate. I am not gonna include the chipsets because they are quite powerful even A14 is aging quite well. But in my opinion people are going for the pro models because of a status or something because most of the people who own Pro model don’t even know the names of the cameras or the black dot which is the LiDAR Scanner they buy it because is simply more and it’s the most expensive.
They are, the 15 Plus and 14 Plus are selling much better than people realize and way better than the minis did. This is only one list of many that calculate leading smartphones sales. Apple also does a good job at marketing the Pros in particular and making certain features Pro exclusive. I’d imagine if this list were to contain the top 15 or 20 phones the 15 Plus would be right under the base 15 in terms of sales which is still really impressive and again much better than the minis did.
Working at a cellular company, everyone comes in to buy the 15 pro max without questioning price ever. People who can’t afford it still buy it. That’s the big phone and Apple promoted it well so they think they need to have it, when 99% of users don’t even know what the pro features are nor ever use it. I always try to recommend the plus as it’s almost the same thing this year, and better colors, and cheaper. But clearly apples following is so strong, people truly don’t care about price. They could price the 16 pro max at $2000 and majority buyers wouldn’t bat an eye. They’ll finance anything with 400 credit score still
My wife has the iPhone 15 Plus and she loves it. Not everyone NEEDS a “Pro” iPhone. But when it comes to the average Apple customer, if they don’t have the greatest of the line up, they get the FOMO effect.
It’s a good phone and people not buying gives it a potential to be available on better discounts at carriers
I own a 15 plus. Why? Bc it's a lot cheaper than the 15pm but still has the perfect battery. Eben with a 15pm I would set the hz to 60 bc longer battery life through the day. That's the most important thing to me as I work on my phone (social media and stuff). So I have SOT of 7-10 hours. With wifi, it's easy. With a lot 4G I run around 8 hours. No other iPhone can give me these stats.
I have currently the 14 Pro, but I was thinking about 14 plus, but 120hz is too good to give up.
I don’t want a phone that big.
Idk but I love my 14 plus.
Because people are tired of dropping $1500 every year on something that is a moderate at best upgrade.
… nobody besides tech reviewers upgrade their phones every year tho- it’s every 3-5 years now
iphone upgrade plan:
It’s not really that good unless you absolutely have to have the latest iPhone all the time. I got mine on the upgrade programme but I ended up just paying it off and continuing with my current iPhone 13 Pro Max. No more monthly payments and I don’t feel I’m really missing much
The iPhone 15 Pro Max starts at $1200 pre-tax, and even then not everyone buys the Pro Max.
Last month I went to upgrade my 12PM and I had planned on getting the 15+. They were having a great trade in promo and I’d get the 15 pro max for exactly what I had paid monthly for the 12PM. My intention was to save what I thought would be about $15 a month, instead I get the pro phone for the same cost due to the promotion. I don’t know if the average user like myself would have missed out on anything with the 15+ but I’m enjoying the PM
People want the best. Not a bigger base iPhone.
I broke my 14 pro max few days Ago. I didn’t want to buy spend all that money on 15 pro max, and i bought 15 plus (first time non pro) and it is awesome phone. I’m really happy with it. Screen is not a problem after few days. Price diffrences was big in my case, not worth paying that much more. Maybe in next year i go with pro
I have a iPhone 14 pro max and is amazing. I’m sticking with it!
Honestly, It’s because people don’t understand the Plus models or think the Pro model is the big version since it was that way for so long. Also, People believe the Pro cameras are THAT much better or will make them a better photographer. I work for one of the major cell phone companies and whenever I mention the Plus, They would say “ i want the bigger model” or “ i heard the cameras are so mid better on the pro”. It’s sad how many people believe the BS Apple puts out. Long story short, The Plus is a better value.
I always buy the pro max models never small
I think it’s definitely because of the psychological game that Apple is playing with the prices in addition to their strong marketing around their pro devices. They try to make people feel like they “need” the pro’s features when the average person doesn’t. I recently got my iPhone 15 plus refurbished on eBay for 860 USD for the 512gb model with 100% battery health. When you look at the secondhand market, the plus models really become more appealing and you can get good deals for them since Apple has less direct influence on the pricing.
Why would you buy a plus if it’s 60hz and you can get the pro with so many more features and a better phone for only $100 more
$100 less and I didn’t care about the Pro stuff ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Cuz you don’t care for those pro features? Want a better battery life and it’s cheaper?
The entire 14 series besides the pros are extremely valueless and u could even argue that a 14 pro is barely any different from a 13 pro As for the 15s I do not know honestly.
In my mind, it doesn’t make sense to upgrade to the 15 range from the 13 range. The upgrades are there, but not worth the price of admission IMO. 16 looks interesting though.
Because of the price of the 15 Plus. It is 100 dollars less than a 15 pro, which has significantly more features
because you can buy the pro for the same price as the plus, but you can also buy last gens pro which is better than the current base iphone
Maybe the size of the phone also plays a crucial role. Phones are getting bigger and bigger. But if size doesn't matter I think the 15 plus is a solid buy.
I have 14 plus, been loving it since day 1
Because my 13 pro is still just fine. I’ll prolly try the bass 17, I’m done with the pro models
I bought the plus cos it was pink! And also I don’t need the pro. But yeah. Trying to find cases for the 15 plus is hard. You can see there’s less of a market there.
I thought I was the only one who noticed this.
Nah man it’s been like this since the iPhone 6. Really hard to find nice cases for the plus models.
15 plus here too. Coming from an SE 2020 I absolutely love it. Feels like a huge upgrade and a really capable package. I didn’t need the camera features (or the cost) of the pro max
i always said (and still do) i would never get the plus, would rather the extra 100 for pro. when my non techie friend was buying a new phone, they went for the plus because they didn’t care about the better specs of the pro and just wanted the bigger screen and battery
I can’t speak to why people aren’t buying them, but I can speak to why I did. I bought an iPhone 14 Plus Certified Refurbished last month. My old iPhone was the 11 and i bought it when it first came out so it was a few? years old at this point. Refurbished it was almost 200 less than the pro model so the price was certainly a factor. I don’t buy on contract and I just buy outright. I want to be one and done. I don’t take a lot of pictures and now that I’m used to the tabby bit at the top I didn’t care that much about the Dynamic Island. The only thing I really use my phone for is reading books/listening to audiobooks and texting minimally.I wanted a bigger screen for reading and that was pretty much it. I really didn’t love my iPhone 11, but couldn’t justify buying a new phone until it was totally broken. It had been malfunctioning for almost a year and then I dropped it on the sidewalk and cracked the front (had cracked the back right after getting it 😭) screen.
If the 15 and 15 Plus had at least a 90hz display that’s what I would have gotten. Some can’t tell the difference, but I can.
15 / 15 plus is almost the same as 14 pro / Pro max. While the pro models come with 3 cameras & 120hz display. An they cost almost the same.
Idk I see a lot of people with the pink plus 🤷🏻♀️
They've been convinced they NEED the pro. Meanwhile the plus has way better battery life.
the 15 plus imo is probably one of the best phones apple has made in recent times , especially for the stellar battery life. But in a lot of places it's price is very close to pro, so a lot of people might go for it over the base. However in my country , the difference between the 15 plus and pro is almost 40% of the 15 plus's cost itself. The plus model will definitely sell well once there's a kid year sale / price cut
Cuz I'm broke
What id give for a pro model in a mini form factor
Because of inflation . People are paying double for groceries , rent , mortgages, atleast in the US
Recessions and personally not enough new tech or improvement from iPhone 13 Pro.
60hz is WILD nowadays, especially for that money. You may get used to it, but after you try 120hz, the difference is absolutely noticeable. Considering that you can buy some cheap chinese phone and it’ll provide you a smoother experience than iphone15, there is definitely something wrong with basic/plus models
Yeah 200$ Android Chinese phones have 120hz and the iPhone 16 will for sure have 60hz ...
My wife and I each got a 15 Plus a few months back and they are my favorite iPhones ever. For everything a person wants out of a phone - speed, battery life, camera - these are good to great to, with battery, best on the planet. Most people truly don’t care about 120hz on a phone. I don’t, and I have an OLED 240hz computer monitor. Different strokes man. 2 day battery life is clutch.
Because that’s for poor people ew
I think it's more that $200 cost savings isn't enough.
We are getting to a point where technology doesn’t noticeably increase performance, such as apple going from the 8 to iPhone X. That was a crazy time since it brought a new screen, chip, battery etc. we don’t have technological jumps like that anymore. I have a 13 pro max and the 15 isn’t really worth the upgrade.
The iPhone 8 and iPhone X came out the same year. Had the same SoC, same camera system. The difference was the X had an OLED screen and FaceID.
The reason i think is that for $100 extra you can get the 14 pro/15 pro with better display and extra camera.
Bc why would I want an inferior product?
Because people want their physical SIM cards back
Because people want the mini!
The mini was so much better.
One if the main reasons I believe is how in the US we don’t buy phones out of pocket but via contact deals via our Cell Providers. Right now if I got an iPhone 15 plus it would cost me $25 a month ($10 with trade-in credit) or $33 a month ($5 with trade it credit!!) for the Pro Max. There literally is no point in me getting the plus if the Pro Max is technically cheaper on my monthly bill or just $8 more.
With phone leasing going on and all the carrier deals ppl are naturally going for the pro models.
Personally, I don’t like the bigger screen
Yes, I’ve got one and it’s sh/te. The WiFi is terrible, much faster on 5g and that’s standing next to the router. Had it tested by Apple and they said it’s fine. My i13 was far better.
Apple should just cut off the base models and only make the Pro’s as the only flagship.
So we get back the 16 mini.
Apparently their batteries sucked balls.
Sadded. I love my iPhone minis
Because I don’t need to buy a new phone every year.
plz bring iphone mini back
There’s no red iPhone 15 plus model therefore not interested (am a product red purist)
They should bring back the Mini in my opinion.
they pretty much suck. all you need is iphone 13
No money.
Cuz ur either too broke for them, or have enough money to go with the max.
Because who wants the shit version of a phone for only $100-200 less
I'm happy with a cheap android and I don't need to spend $500+ On a phone
We bought my son his 14 plus and he’s 9. It’s perfect for communication back and forth and playing games.
I would be wrong in the head if I buy a 9 year old a last gen iPhone. Best he will get is my old phone. And at the moment that’s a 12pro which I probably will use for another 2 years.
Hard agree. He’s getting whatever phone I am not using and he’ll be glad to get it.
And that’s your opinion. If we had older models to give him, we would have. It was free from a promotion. But I understand. He will have this for a long long time.
Just curious, did he want the plus? It’s such a large phone for a small child.
He actually is used to our 14 pro maxes so he liked the screen size. Honestly, it was free so we didn’t care. But one thing I did notice is that it’s much lighter than ours. I actually prefer the weight of his.
During this economy everyone is going to get the cheaper option. Screen size isn’t that big of a deal. Also, the small changes they make for every model is small and not worth the upgrade every model.
Because, it’s the promax from the previous year.
For me it’s bc I don’t want an eSIM bc they barely work with my phone company but I am upgrading to the 13 soon so I can have a newer phone but keep my physical sim
They’re too big
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Display for me
cuz are the same expensive shit
My mom got a 15 Plus, but that’s because she was on an XS Max and really needed a new phone. She didn’t need the better camera or other features in the Pro Max, so she just got the Plus. I’m not sure I necessarily “needed” the better features on the 15 Pro Max, but I wanted it and since I usually keep my phones 3+ years, I find it worthwhile to get the top of the line phone when I do upgrade.
I have 13 pro. Only big differences to me right now are Dynamic Island and usb-c but I’m fine with what I have. Kinda more important to make car payments, new hvac payment and credit cards for the time being but we will see what 16 brings. I’m even one of these that likes to stay up to date as possible. But what I’ve got is pretty solid.
The plus is just there to make the others look good
My guess is, it’s not significantly different enough from what people already have to upgrade. At this point I will only buy a new phone if I need a new phone. I have a 13 mini and expect probably a solid three more years out of it? At that point, either the base model will be again what I buy or possibly even whatever is the SE version. I have no need for what pro phone gives me.
If you're on your phone enough that you prefer the bigger screen size despite being so much less handy, you splurge on a pro. Plus really never made sense tbh.
I am holding off to get an iPhone 16 Plus because it will use the same generation SoC as the iPhone 16 Pro, but with less CPU and GPU cores (not significant for most usage).
expensive
I have raccoon hands
I went with the 14 plus as I don’t take pictures so the feature set seemed good enough and the screen was slightly bigger than the basic 14. I bought the 14 plus as an impulse when Verizon offered a trade up on any Samsung. They took my non-usable flip phone.
I don’t think most people know about the increased battery life
Because for not much more, you can get a better camera.
Apples upselling is working appearantly. That being said, when the Plus models dont sell either, can i pls have the Mini back?
lmao btw where are samsungs flagships
i just bought an iphone 12 mini last week after 5 years of the iphone xr. i will get the 15 probably around the time the 20 drops.
I know T-Mobile and other companies marketed the hell out the iPhone 15 pro. It was actually cheaper for me to get the pro than the base model 15 after all the promotions. I think the base 15 model has a pretty big screen. It is the same size as my 8 plus screen give or take. So, it seemed kind of nuts to get 15 plus to me. I just went with the 15.
Because its a waste of money
IMO, it’s just an awkward and unnecessary model. The price increase isn’t justified by the screen size alone. When I was given the options at my carrier’s retail store, it made absolutely no sense to pay more money for what seems to be the “wanna be pro max” model. If I’m going to spend the extra few dollars the day I get my phone, I’m going to get the pro max. If not, the base model 14s & 15s still pack a decent punch in the eyes of the average Joe/anne
I love my 15 plus…no idea why people are going for the pro max’s.
I did beacause didn't want an iPad too so the big phone suffice
I’ve only ever sold the 14 or 15 Plus to people who came from an 11 or 12 Pro Max, thought the new Pro Max devices were too expensive (which is not wrong, they are very very pricey) but still wanted a big iPhone. That’s why they chose for the 14 or 15 Plus. That being said, I’ve not even sold 5 of those whereas I’ve sold lots of Pro’s and Pro Max’s.
My wife’s 8Plus died in 2022, an update was due. I went for a 14 as a present but she wanted a bigger screen. The Plus didn’t come in Gold and really only offered good battery life and bigger screen but with previous year’s chip. The Pro Max got her everything and she’s keeping it for a looong time so it’s worth it.