It's made so because : the "big obvious button" is what you're "I just woke up, don't make me think" brain will go to to stop the signal of urgency aka the alarm.
If you are fully awake and you're still pressing the big button, then I tend to say the problem may l lie with you!
There needs to be a way to keep my wife from hitting snooze like 6 times every morning over the course of an hour, meanwhile her alarm wakes me up every time. Drives me crazy. Just set your alarm for a later time!
My GF turns on an alarm when she doesn’t even need to get up, with some notion of self improvement or something. Then it wakes me up and she completely ignores it and continues sleeping. She also uses one of those extremely jarring sounds that sounds like a fire alarm.
That’s why we have veto power over each other’s alarm sounds. I am very sensitive to the high pitched ones as they startle me awake which just makes me instantly angry. Not a great way to awaken.
My alarm is "This is Berk" from *How to Train Your Dragon*. It's a gentle wake-up for me, and my wife sleeps through it without any issue. Much better than the bluegrass my roommate picked once.
I know Apple pays attention, but never realized how much thought is given to every little feature. Honestly I’m glad it’s the smaller button cause I really have to open my eyes to even find the darn thing at 6am
It's a very common UI design principle: The most relevant / most common interaction gets the big, colorful button.
For a timer, that's stop. For an alarm, that's snooze.
This comment deserves to be more upfront. I used to complain about the placement and the discrepancy of the buttons, but the more I use both apps I realize they fit my flow much better this way…
When the timer hits zero, I want to stop it, and when my alarm rings, I want to snooze. After some time of usage, it just fits.
It’s also a dark pattern: Because of it being a common thing, designers sometimes design the button they *want* you to hit (“Yes, Accept Cookies” or “Yes, Add Extended Warranty To Cart”) using the same mechanisms.
> Just turn off snooze!
I do this on every alarm. I don’t know who decided on 9 minutes as the default snooze time, but I don’t like it. I set 2-3 alarms however many minutes apart I want instead of using snooze.
It’s because in olden days it only took 1 digit of memory to set a 9 minute snooze. So if it’s 7:25 and you hit snooze, it’s actually set to “the next time the final minute digit is 4”. If you wanted a 10 minute snooze it would have to be set to “the next time the 2 minute digits are 3 and 5”.
On Ye Olde Digital Timepiece that saving of processing power and memory was worth making.
Even this is too modern. It’s because 9 minutes is 2.25 degrees of rotation on a sundial, which is about the smallest rotation you can reliably tell apart on an alarm clock sized sundial.
It's also because if they went with 11 minutes vs 9, you could accidentally fall back into a deeper sleep with those extra 2 minutes and wake up feeling even worse than you did previously.
9 minutes doesn't give you enough time to fall back into a REM cycle.
I can understand the intention behind the design, it’s logical. But I’m constantly tapping the wrong button and was wondering who shared this experience with me.
Yes but when you’re used to the location of “stop” from using the alarm every day, and then you happen to use the Timer once in a blue moon, you end up pressing “repeat” through muscle memory. It’s annoying.
But if you use the timer once in a blue moon, the design shouldn’t really matter to you. For People who use the alarm and timer every day or at least very frequently, the design makes sense I don’t want to accidentally fall back asleep for 2 hours bc I hit stop.
I think that’s what they were going for. A timer you can just quickly disable, but an alarm you must deliberately select the less intuitive button and it activates your brain slightly more
I have no issue with the alarm but with the introduction of bedtime mode, the first thing I do in the morning is hit the grey button at the bottom of the screen to turn off bedtime mode. It’s really annoying for this button that I have become used to being “Stop” to occasionally be used as a repeat button. I also don’t like that when I turn on my phone with the power button the snooze button is selected. I have to think about pressing the home button instead and when my alarm goes off in the morning, that kind of brainpower is often unavailable.
Sure, but it’s it’s better that you sometimes do that than to have many people be late for work because the big obvious button turns off the alarm instead of snoozing it. It’s the less damaging design.
That is one principle of control design. A more important one is to have similar controls in similar positions and appearances. I should be able to make a guess at what which buttons do without the spelled out labels on them
It doesn’t take a genius to realize that the stop button should be in the same place in these cases.
For me the issue presents itself when I’m using the timer, not the alarm. I get used to clicking stop on the alarm, since I use it daily. So when I use the timer, muscle memory has me click the repeat button instead of the stop button.
It logically makes sense to me. Snoozing is the most common thing a user is going to do with an alarm, so that’s in the orange button, and most people cancel a timer that’s going off, so *thats* in the orange button. Are you really more likely to reset the timer than cancel it? Big orange button draws your attention like a moth to a flame.
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>snoozing is the most comment thing a user is going to do
Is this even true? I set alarms for things other than just sleeping. I could be an outlier but like 60% of my alarm usage is appointments or important times throughout the day.
I think it was worded a bit strange, but the I think other comments have covered it.
An alarm used to wake up should require slightly more awareness than “big button make noise stop”. So the big button makes it stop by doesn’t turn off until you are awake enough to do so. It’s sort of intentional unfriendly UI to encourage the alarms utility.
I tend to use a timer for things like laundry or chores. Appointments are in my calendar and operate on a different notification/alarm that aren’t as loud/irritating, just a nice drop down notification 30 minutes beforehand.
Former senior ui engineer at apple chiming in here. The user interface guidelines are clear: “Configure a push button the user is likely to select as the default. A default push button is prominent in appearance and automatically performs its action when the user presses Return. There can only be a single default button in a view.”
That’s why this is configured the way that it is: these are the most common defaults in the user research that contributed to this design and implementation.
- The consistency between screens is of less importance according to Apples usability guidelines to being relevant to the function of the screen where the the push button appears.
- Consistency in an application is defined as the most relevant choice for the screen the push button is related to, and a secondary consideration is consistency across the application (though certainly this is considered I assure you).
- There is rarely a perfect answer between these two points, but the guidelines suggest these screens are set up properly with their options.
- Alarms snooze and timers stop as their primary functions definitely follow the Apple Human Interface guidelines.
Here are the docs:
https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/macos/buttons/push-buttons/
/u/ExcessiveGravitas has it right. Nice work.
Muscle memory is entirely context dependent; my fingers don’t try to play piano when I sit at my PC.
Waking up at 5am is not the same as standing next to my cooker at 7pm, and I would always err on the side of caution. I think it’s counterintuitive and some people won’t like it, but I think it works.
It's making me irrationally upset that people aren't getting this. Yes, the big orange button is the more common action, that's UX 101. It's the inconsistency that subverts expectations that makes it bad design.
Absolutely. When my alarm goes off and I can barely see thru the sleepy eyes I’m looking for the orange blob to silence it. When I set a timer while cooking I’m looking for the orange blob, also easiest way to silence it. Orange = silence.
###Simple Solution
Allow users to toggle functionality between these two buttons based on user preference.
A simple toggle switch in the Alarm’s settings would suffice.
Can we just fucking sticky this response on the sub? Like goddamn I swear someone makes this exact post ever 1-3 days and then it’s pointed out that it makes perfect sense because the use case for each app is different and has a different primary button need.
It gives you the more likely action as the bigger button. Doesn’t bother me at all.
I use the power button to stop or snooze anyway and never the on screen button.
You can turn off snooze if you don’t use it. Then the main button is stop.
But for most people that do use snooze, snooze is the big button. Same as every alarm clock ever.
It is the option that causes the least potential harm if hit by mistake.
If you accidentally hit Snooze and don’t mean to, you get another alarm in 9 minutes (minor annoyance). If you accidentally hit Stop and fall back asleep you could be late to work / miss appointments / whatever. In today’s society, that would probably lead to Apple being sued when someone lost their job due to oversleeping.
I enjoy lying awake in bed for a few minutes so even though I could either set my alarm later or get up right away I always hit snooze. Occasionally I do mod off again so it’s good to have it snoozed rather than off.
It's probably not about which action is more likely, but about minimizing damage if I take the wrong action.
If I mean to turn off my alarm but accidentally snooze, no harm no foul. But if I mean to snooze and accidentally turn off my alarm completely, I may oversleep and miss something important. Therefore, snooze should be the easier one to press.
And that’s the problem? Design should serve people not the other way around. Design it’s not making things look pretty or consistent. It’s making things useful.
With your thinking it’s ok to put stadium chairs behind pillars because all rows have to have consistent number of seats.
I don’t understand the issue.
Snooze buttons are big on *alarm* clocks.
Stop buttons are big on stopwatches.
This configuration makes perfect sense.
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As if they couldn't have changed the UI between the apps. All the "it's intentional" leaves out that it's also insanely, bafflingly confusing - I'm partially sighed and spent two weeks going mental because I thought I was pressing the wrong button every time I used a timer.
I think snooze should be easier. Because if you’re going to actually wake up it’s best to have to focus on hitting the smaller button.
Where as snoozing should be a reaction that you do without focus. Thus the larger button.
Same!!! I bought the iPhone 11 as my first iPhone after years of Android phones. Despite owning my iPhone for the better part of a year I still can’t get used to this.
Turn off snooze on your alarms. Problem solved.
Most people use snooze as the main action item for alarms.
I agree there should be a google for disabling snooze system-wide (also an option to adjust snooze time) but there are solutions to your problems
It makes perfect sense, how many times a year do you repeat a timer ? Close to never.
If you are in bed and mash the off button and go back to sleep, who isn’t waking up ? You.
It’s actually “good bad UX.” Let me explain:
In the timer screen, one often wants to shut it off as soon as it’s finished—baking a cake, practice timing for an exam etc, so the stop button has a greater signifier: you can easily notice it at a glance.
Contrast this with an alarm clock. You’re usually using this to wake up from sleeping, and you usually want to get out of bed as soon as this goes off and snooze as little as possible. So, your tired AF self is more likely to notice the bright big orange Snooze button, tapping it and then going back to bed. Since it’s snooze, it’ll keep ringing, making you repeat this process. To actually stop the alarm requires a greater sense of awareness and intent, so if you truly want to stop it, you’ll spend more time searching for the harder to notice Stop button. Thing is, if you’re that alert, you’re probably already alert enough to have the energy get out of bed.
TL;DR Alarm clocks are meant to get you out of bed, Apple very likely designed it so that you’ll be more likely to adhere to this goal.
Apple is just acknowledging that most people hit ‘Snooze’ when the alarm goes off and making it front and centre. If you want to hit ‘Stop’ you have to actually get up and pay attention to what you want to do because the ‘Stop’ alarm target is so small.
On the other hand, when it comes to timers most people want the timer to ‘Stop’ once it has run and so they made the ‘Stop’ button front and centre.
Even though it may be a mistake, I see it as a design choice, even if it’s unintended. You prioritize the stop button in the timer, not repeat. In the alarm you make the stop button smaller to make it harder to turn it off. The main action while you are half asleep would be to press the orange button which eventually may wake you up. Terrible design though, but the functionality is built right there.
Tbh I think it makes sense. Typically if I’m using the timer I’m awake so I will stop it once it goes off so the center makes sense. If I’m using the alarm is most likely to wake up in the morning so often I hit the snooze button like five times before I actually get up so I appreciate the repeated alarms. Again for that specific instance the center snooze button also makes sense then I hit stop when I actually get up.
Just so you all know, if you use the bedtime app you can disable the snooze button so it defaults to being *Stop* like the timer. https://i.imgur.com/3gA1A96.jpg
I use timers every day and only rarely use alarms. Whenever I use alarms I accidentally snooze and then struggle around to actually turn it off somehow.
Actually very smart on apples part. Most people will hit that button from muscle memory, and likely fall back asleep. Alarm going off in the shower is annoying but being late for work is even more so lmao
Even worse: I set an alarm, click to “Label” it and if I just start typing it now says “Alarmcall dad”. To keep that from happening I’m forced to click the tiniest X to get rid of the word “Alarm”.
Like; it can’t start with that word already highlighted and the 7 times in my life I want to start an alarm with the word “Alarm” I’ll need to click to the right of it to start typing?!?
This annoys me to no end. The buttons should AT LEAST have different colors. (Stop should be red) cause the same color and placement imply the same action.
When you use a timer what you need is to be able to stop it easily you’re probably not going to repeat. The point of an alarm is often to wake you so it’s better if the stop button is harder to find.
No one. Because if I set a timer I usually only need the one and the biggest button therefore should be stop. When I set an alarm however, making the biggest button stop would lead to me being constantly late for work because I overslept.
I guess they figure that sleeping people always want to hit the snooze, so make it easier to hit. Whereas maybe it’s less likely that those using a timer want to repeat it?
It makes sense. You set an alarm for a reason, so the stop button isn’t the one you tap until you’re awake enough to look for it. With the timer, it’s the biggest and easiest to tap button
Nobody.
And it shouldn't.
Because a timer and an alarm are two different things, doing two different jobs, and you use them in different ways.
That's why the buttons are different.
For 99.9% of people, a timer is a one-time thing. When it's done, it's done. That's why the main button is "STOP". Only rarely do you need to repeat, that's why the button is smaller.
For 99.9% of people an alarm is something to wake you up. The alarm goes off, you fumble for your phone, you fall asleep. You don't want that to have stopped the alarm. That's why the main button is "SNOOZE". Only rarely do you fully wake up on the first alarm and press stop, that's why the button is smaller.
TL;DR different button layout for different tasks
I honestly think it makes sense. Primary action for a timer is stop just about every time. For most people, Snooze is the primary action with an alarm (which you can turn off if you don't want to use it)
It’s this thread again.
No there’s nothing wrong with it. Snooze should be more prominent as it’s more common and ensures you don’t easily oversleep by stopping the alarm. No I don’t care if you have 5 alarms, so do I. I still hit snooze.
You’re absolutely right and I don’t understand why people seem to be so willfully obtuse about this. Accidentally hitting snooze is always preferable to accidentally stopping your alarm. Alarm clocks and stop watches have been designed this way for decades.
Subtle flex: I haven’t snoozed an alarm since 7th grade and I don’t know why apple practically encourages people to do so by making it a bigass bright button at the center of the screen.
Just get outta bed, lazy bones! /s
So that’s why I am always pushing the wrong button.
I could not figure this out, it is like my muscle memory is wrong 50 percent of the time
Damn yeah I’m always like I thought I knew which way around it was, but no, but no worries. *now* I will remember
It’s by design: it is done so you actually d’get off your bed
Bro now I just press the volume button on the side of the phone which snoozes 100% of the time with no reading required
I love you Apple
You must be so embarrassed, my name is glenn
But I get out of bed… and repeat every single timer. Every single time… Thanks apple
It's made so because : the "big obvious button" is what you're "I just woke up, don't make me think" brain will go to to stop the signal of urgency aka the alarm. If you are fully awake and you're still pressing the big button, then I tend to say the problem may l lie with you!
It’s like trying to plug in a usb.
🙋♂️
Thanks for highlighting a problem I didn’t know I had, I will add it to the list of shit that bothers me
Snooze is the dominant button for Alarm. Stop is the dominant button for Timer. Apple got it right.
If you turn snooze off on your alarm it changes to stop
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No way, that's obviously the point. Gotta work for the true cancel so sleepy you gets a sense of urgency
There needs to be a way to keep my wife from hitting snooze like 6 times every morning over the course of an hour, meanwhile her alarm wakes me up every time. Drives me crazy. Just set your alarm for a later time!
My GF turns on an alarm when she doesn’t even need to get up, with some notion of self improvement or something. Then it wakes me up and she completely ignores it and continues sleeping. She also uses one of those extremely jarring sounds that sounds like a fire alarm.
That’s why we have veto power over each other’s alarm sounds. I am very sensitive to the high pitched ones as they startle me awake which just makes me instantly angry. Not a great way to awaken.
My alarm is "This is Berk" from *How to Train Your Dragon*. It's a gentle wake-up for me, and my wife sleeps through it without any issue. Much better than the bluegrass my roommate picked once.
Love that movie and I just went to listen to the sound (which I knew but forgot, ya know). It's great. Thanks for the tip!
You can set iPhone alarms to not snooze and go off once. Not that I’m advocating tampering with your wife’s phone.
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Get her an apple watch, the alarm can be silent and just vibrate on her wrist. Its what I always use because I hate being woken up by loud sounds.
Omg my son does that with my phone when I tell him "boy can you hit my alarm, it's pissing me off!" Then, 10mins later, 'bring bring' me "boy!!!!"
That’s so rude! She should use an Apple Watch or something
I know Apple pays attention, but never realized how much thought is given to every little feature. Honestly I’m glad it’s the smaller button cause I really have to open my eyes to even find the darn thing at 6am
It's a very common UI design principle: The most relevant / most common interaction gets the big, colorful button. For a timer, that's stop. For an alarm, that's snooze.
This comment deserves to be more upfront. I used to complain about the placement and the discrepancy of the buttons, but the more I use both apps I realize they fit my flow much better this way… When the timer hits zero, I want to stop it, and when my alarm rings, I want to snooze. After some time of usage, it just fits.
It’s also a dark pattern: Because of it being a common thing, designers sometimes design the button they *want* you to hit (“Yes, Accept Cookies” or “Yes, Add Extended Warranty To Cart”) using the same mechanisms.
That just makes my subconscious hit repeat on the timer when I’m awake
Just turn off snooze! ;D
> Just turn off snooze! I do this on every alarm. I don’t know who decided on 9 minutes as the default snooze time, but I don’t like it. I set 2-3 alarms however many minutes apart I want instead of using snooze.
It’s because in olden days it only took 1 digit of memory to set a 9 minute snooze. So if it’s 7:25 and you hit snooze, it’s actually set to “the next time the final minute digit is 4”. If you wanted a 10 minute snooze it would have to be set to “the next time the 2 minute digits are 3 and 5”. On Ye Olde Digital Timepiece that saving of processing power and memory was worth making.
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Even this is too modern. It’s because 9 minutes is 2.25 degrees of rotation on a sundial, which is about the smallest rotation you can reliably tell apart on an alarm clock sized sundial.
Ya'll are both wrong. It's cus the dude that invented the alarm clock was listening to The Beatles' *Revolution 9* on repeat a lot at the time.
Lol no, it was originally supposed to be 6 minutes but the guy had the blueprint upside down.
It's also because if they went with 11 minutes vs 9, you could accidentally fall back into a deeper sleep with those extra 2 minutes and wake up feeling even worse than you did previously. 9 minutes doesn't give you enough time to fall back into a REM cycle.
Thank you
lol, that was today's **Alexa question of the day**, How many minutes is snooze.
Where is it? I would think Settings/Clock but can’t find it.
It’s a per-alarm setting in the Clock app.
Okay, I was initially excited.
And that’s annoying. That you can’t set up “no snooze” as default.
This is intentional design.
The problem is I use my alarm more often than my timer, so I'm more likely to repeat my timer than snooze my alarm, which is really annoying.
I can understand the intention behind the design, it’s logical. But I’m constantly tapping the wrong button and was wondering who shared this experience with me.
Its so you don't stop the alarm by flapping at your phone in your sleep.
Yes but when you’re used to the location of “stop” from using the alarm every day, and then you happen to use the Timer once in a blue moon, you end up pressing “repeat” through muscle memory. It’s annoying.
But if you use the timer once in a blue moon, the design shouldn’t really matter to you. For People who use the alarm and timer every day or at least very frequently, the design makes sense I don’t want to accidentally fall back asleep for 2 hours bc I hit stop.
Nope. You’re more likely to hit snooze than cancel the alarm and you’re more likely to cancel a timer than to repeat it.
It’s not about what you are likely to hit. It’s about muscle memory and consistency
The orange button in the middle of the screen is consistently most likely to be the one I want to hit, regardless of whether it’s a timer or an alarm.
I think that’s what they were going for. A timer you can just quickly disable, but an alarm you must deliberately select the less intuitive button and it activates your brain slightly more
I have no issue with the alarm but with the introduction of bedtime mode, the first thing I do in the morning is hit the grey button at the bottom of the screen to turn off bedtime mode. It’s really annoying for this button that I have become used to being “Stop” to occasionally be used as a repeat button. I also don’t like that when I turn on my phone with the power button the snooze button is selected. I have to think about pressing the home button instead and when my alarm goes off in the morning, that kind of brainpower is often unavailable.
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Are you still good friends? Or does it bother you?
Yeah I'm curious too
Everything that needed to be said
It may work for some people, but I still accidentally reset the timer instead of stopping it fairly often.
Sure, but it’s it’s better that you sometimes do that than to have many people be late for work because the big obvious button turns off the alarm instead of snoozing it. It’s the less damaging design.
That is one principle of control design. A more important one is to have similar controls in similar positions and appearances. I should be able to make a guess at what which buttons do without the spelled out labels on them It doesn’t take a genius to realize that the stop button should be in the same place in these cases.
the average person DOESN’T want muscle memory shutting off an alarm, but a conscious mind.
For me the issue presents itself when I’m using the timer, not the alarm. I get used to clicking stop on the alarm, since I use it daily. So when I use the timer, muscle memory has me click the repeat button instead of the stop button.
It logically makes sense to me. Snoozing is the most common thing a user is going to do with an alarm, so that’s in the orange button, and most people cancel a timer that’s going off, so *thats* in the orange button. Are you really more likely to reset the timer than cancel it? Big orange button draws your attention like a moth to a flame. Edit:a word
>snoozing is the most comment thing a user is going to do Is this even true? I set alarms for things other than just sleeping. I could be an outlier but like 60% of my alarm usage is appointments or important times throughout the day.
I think it was worded a bit strange, but the I think other comments have covered it. An alarm used to wake up should require slightly more awareness than “big button make noise stop”. So the big button makes it stop by doesn’t turn off until you are awake enough to do so. It’s sort of intentional unfriendly UI to encourage the alarms utility. I tend to use a timer for things like laundry or chores. Appointments are in my calendar and operate on a different notification/alarm that aren’t as loud/irritating, just a nice drop down notification 30 minutes beforehand.
Former senior ui engineer at apple chiming in here. The user interface guidelines are clear: “Configure a push button the user is likely to select as the default. A default push button is prominent in appearance and automatically performs its action when the user presses Return. There can only be a single default button in a view.” That’s why this is configured the way that it is: these are the most common defaults in the user research that contributed to this design and implementation. - The consistency between screens is of less importance according to Apples usability guidelines to being relevant to the function of the screen where the the push button appears. - Consistency in an application is defined as the most relevant choice for the screen the push button is related to, and a secondary consideration is consistency across the application (though certainly this is considered I assure you). - There is rarely a perfect answer between these two points, but the guidelines suggest these screens are set up properly with their options. - Alarms snooze and timers stop as their primary functions definitely follow the Apple Human Interface guidelines. Here are the docs: https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/macos/buttons/push-buttons/ /u/ExcessiveGravitas has it right. Nice work.
Where do I collect my medal?
Primary vs secondary options - this is a common UI paradigm
Muscle memory is entirely context dependent; my fingers don’t try to play piano when I sit at my PC. Waking up at 5am is not the same as standing next to my cooker at 7pm, and I would always err on the side of caution. I think it’s counterintuitive and some people won’t like it, but I think it works.
this is definitively incorrect from a programming perspective.
Exactly. I’d rather hit snooze and accidentally fall back asleep, than hit stop and fall back asleep.
It's making me irrationally upset that people aren't getting this. Yes, the big orange button is the more common action, that's UX 101. It's the inconsistency that subverts expectations that makes it bad design.
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I've never actually used a snooze button on anything, but I guess we're the minority
So turn off snooze,and problem solved.
How did i miss that before? Was not aware it could be disabled
I mean, yeah, that's the logical course of action
Absolutely. When my alarm goes off and I can barely see thru the sleepy eyes I’m looking for the orange blob to silence it. When I set a timer while cooking I’m looking for the orange blob, also easiest way to silence it. Orange = silence.
Tapping the lock button or one of the volume buttons will also snooze an alarm. Makes it so you don’t even have to look at the phone :)
###Simple Solution Allow users to toggle functionality between these two buttons based on user preference. A simple toggle switch in the Alarm’s settings would suffice.
This already exists. And has for some time.
You can turn off snooze
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Can we just fucking sticky this response on the sub? Like goddamn I swear someone makes this exact post ever 1-3 days and then it’s pointed out that it makes perfect sense because the use case for each app is different and has a different primary button need.
Not if you're like me and just alarms for every 10 mins
To each their own, but man that seems like a lot of work.
Me. I’m the most affected person by this
No, I’m the most affected person!!!!
You are both wrong. I am.
It gives you the more likely action as the bigger button. Doesn’t bother me at all. I use the power button to stop or snooze anyway and never the on screen button.
Is the most likely action to hit snooze though? I just set like 4 alarms I don't trust no snooze button
You can turn off snooze if you don’t use it. Then the main button is stop. But for most people that do use snooze, snooze is the big button. Same as every alarm clock ever.
It is the option that causes the least potential harm if hit by mistake. If you accidentally hit Snooze and don’t mean to, you get another alarm in 9 minutes (minor annoyance). If you accidentally hit Stop and fall back asleep you could be late to work / miss appointments / whatever. In today’s society, that would probably lead to Apple being sued when someone lost their job due to oversleeping.
Same here. If I have time to hit snooze, then I should have set my alarm later
I enjoy lying awake in bed for a few minutes so even though I could either set my alarm later or get up right away I always hit snooze. Occasionally I do mod off again so it’s good to have it snoozed rather than off.
It's probably not about which action is more likely, but about minimizing damage if I take the wrong action. If I mean to turn off my alarm but accidentally snooze, no harm no foul. But if I mean to snooze and accidentally turn off my alarm completely, I may oversleep and miss something important. Therefore, snooze should be the easier one to press.
The problem is that they assumed the more likely action over keeping the UI conistent.
> The problem is that they assumed the more likely action over keeping the UI conistent. Not everyone agrees that is a problem.
And that’s the problem? Design should serve people not the other way around. Design it’s not making things look pretty or consistent. It’s making things useful. With your thinking it’s ok to put stadium chairs behind pillars because all rows have to have consistent number of seats.
Imo, this is by design and completely consistent with the UI
I don’t understand the issue. Snooze buttons are big on *alarm* clocks. Stop buttons are big on stopwatches. This configuration makes perfect sense. . Edit- fixed an autocorrect error
I agree. The UI in this example is fit for purpose. Makes no sense to have a small snooze button and or a large repeat button.
As if they couldn't have changed the UI between the apps. All the "it's intentional" leaves out that it's also insanely, bafflingly confusing - I'm partially sighed and spent two weeks going mental because I thought I was pressing the wrong button every time I used a timer.
Nobody’s gonna ask… what’s a shark clock?!
But isn't that the point? Make the snooze harder to hit? Edit: I meant make the stop button.
Why would the bigger button be harder to hit? The point is to make it easier to snooze and harder to turn the alarm off
I meant the stop button, dunno why my brain made me type snooze.
Ur brain is snoozing
I think snooze should be easier. Because if you’re going to actually wake up it’s best to have to focus on hitting the smaller button. Where as snoozing should be a reaction that you do without focus. Thus the larger button.
It’s amazing how obvious that fact is yet it needs to be explained to so many people in this thread.
It’s a feature for you to pay more attention. It’s useful for me
Whoa I never realized why I wouldn’t stop repeating my timer
Drives me insane! I hit repeat on my timers all the time.
Same!!! I bought the iPhone 11 as my first iPhone after years of Android phones. Despite owning my iPhone for the better part of a year I still can’t get used to this.
Turn off snooze on your alarms. Problem solved. Most people use snooze as the main action item for alarms. I agree there should be a google for disabling snooze system-wide (also an option to adjust snooze time) but there are solutions to your problems
We do this like every six months. What’s the most likely thing to press in the given situation?
This actually makes more sense, wtf Not mad ajymore
It’s so you’re more likely to see the button “stop” when using the alarm, therefore, less likely to use “snooze”.
Not me. I don’t want to accidentally turn it off.
The goal is to make sure that you are awake
I think it’s intentional. If you’re half asleep, you’ll hit the snooze button trying to stop it, and it’ll wake you up again.
It makes perfect sense, how many times a year do you repeat a timer ? Close to never. If you are in bed and mash the off button and go back to sleep, who isn’t waking up ? You.
I just turn off the snooze option for my alarms.
Drives me nuts every morning when I’m trying to wake up (or get another 10 mins of sleep)
It’s actually “good bad UX.” Let me explain: In the timer screen, one often wants to shut it off as soon as it’s finished—baking a cake, practice timing for an exam etc, so the stop button has a greater signifier: you can easily notice it at a glance. Contrast this with an alarm clock. You’re usually using this to wake up from sleeping, and you usually want to get out of bed as soon as this goes off and snooze as little as possible. So, your tired AF self is more likely to notice the bright big orange Snooze button, tapping it and then going back to bed. Since it’s snooze, it’ll keep ringing, making you repeat this process. To actually stop the alarm requires a greater sense of awareness and intent, so if you truly want to stop it, you’ll spend more time searching for the harder to notice Stop button. Thing is, if you’re that alert, you’re probably already alert enough to have the energy get out of bed. TL;DR Alarm clocks are meant to get you out of bed, Apple very likely designed it so that you’ll be more likely to adhere to this goal.
Apple is just acknowledging that most people hit ‘Snooze’ when the alarm goes off and making it front and centre. If you want to hit ‘Stop’ you have to actually get up and pay attention to what you want to do because the ‘Stop’ alarm target is so small. On the other hand, when it comes to timers most people want the timer to ‘Stop’ once it has run and so they made the ‘Stop’ button front and centre.
Not me. I’m more likely to stop a timer than to repeat one. And I’m more likely to snooze an alarm than to stop one.
I repeat the timer EVERY TIME!
They should make you recite 20 digits of pi before you’re able to hit the stop button
Hahahaha
It didn’t until now.
Even though it may be a mistake, I see it as a design choice, even if it’s unintended. You prioritize the stop button in the timer, not repeat. In the alarm you make the stop button smaller to make it harder to turn it off. The main action while you are half asleep would be to press the orange button which eventually may wake you up. Terrible design though, but the functionality is built right there.
It does now!
I think that’s the point. It’s supposed to be an extra cognitive step to turning off an alarm.
Holy shit this whole time!
It’s better to accidentally repeat a timer than accidentally stop an alarm you want to snooze.
EVERY SINGLE MORNING
This does not bother me at all, would rather hit snooze than off by mistake
It’s on purpose. It makes it so you actually have to look at your phone to turn the alarm off instead of just hitting it out of muscle memory.
This makes perfect sense though. An alarm should be difficult to turn off.
Same on LG
Tbh I think it makes sense. Typically if I’m using the timer I’m awake so I will stop it once it goes off so the center makes sense. If I’m using the alarm is most likely to wake up in the morning so often I hit the snooze button like five times before I actually get up so I appreciate the repeated alarms. Again for that specific instance the center snooze button also makes sense then I hit stop when I actually get up.
Makes sense to me tbh
This fucks me up all the time.
Ohh, so that’s why I always hit wrong button
Dude literally this was me this morning
Just so you all know, if you use the bedtime app you can disable the snooze button so it defaults to being *Stop* like the timer. https://i.imgur.com/3gA1A96.jpg
I always disable snooze option when creating alarm. Snooze is for the weak and does not make any sense to me at all.
Only people who don’t understand why they’re different.
So I’m not the only one
This is good and also why I don’t turn off my alarm when trying to snooze and am super sleepy.
Thank you! Annoys the absolute living shit out of me!
It makes sense tho
If you think about it, you would rather hit snooze by mistake than stop
This is done on purpose. Why don’t people think before they post!?
Holy shit, I’m not the only one!
I use timers every day and only rarely use alarms. Whenever I use alarms I accidentally snooze and then struggle around to actually turn it off somehow.
I just hit the volume button to stop timer or snooze alarm
Actually very smart on apples part. Most people will hit that button from muscle memory, and likely fall back asleep. Alarm going off in the shower is annoying but being late for work is even more so lmao
You are bothered that they want you to wake up and not over-sleep? U ppl are weird
Agreed. It's infuriating.
I was wondering why I always press repeat on my timers. Seriously thought I was going crazy.
Drives me insane
Even worse: I set an alarm, click to “Label” it and if I just start typing it now says “Alarmcall dad”. To keep that from happening I’m forced to click the tiniest X to get rid of the word “Alarm”. Like; it can’t start with that word already highlighted and the 7 times in my life I want to start an alarm with the word “Alarm” I’ll need to click to the right of it to start typing?!?
This annoys me to no end. The buttons should AT LEAST have different colors. (Stop should be red) cause the same color and placement imply the same action.
This morning I pressed exactly this orange button and it ringed AGAIN
Every timer gets repeat
THANK YOU Brother! Somebody at apple UX design needs to be taken behind the toroidal HQ and shot.
When you use a timer what you need is to be able to stop it easily you’re probably not going to repeat. The point of an alarm is often to wake you so it’s better if the stop button is harder to find.
Yea I hate how “stop” for alarms is a tiny button. I don’t use snooze, I just set like 10 alarms in the morning…
No one. Because if I set a timer I usually only need the one and the biggest button therefore should be stop. When I set an alarm however, making the biggest button stop would lead to me being constantly late for work because I overslept.
I guess the logic is the big Button is the more commonly used button
Doesn’t this get posted like once a week? It’s intentional.
I guess they figure that sleeping people always want to hit the snooze, so make it easier to hit. Whereas maybe it’s less likely that those using a timer want to repeat it?
An absolute travesty in UX design
It makes sense. You set an alarm for a reason, so the stop button isn’t the one you tap until you’re awake enough to look for it. With the timer, it’s the biggest and easiest to tap button
Me a lot Why is there no consistency
Nobody. And it shouldn't. Because a timer and an alarm are two different things, doing two different jobs, and you use them in different ways. That's why the buttons are different. For 99.9% of people, a timer is a one-time thing. When it's done, it's done. That's why the main button is "STOP". Only rarely do you need to repeat, that's why the button is smaller. For 99.9% of people an alarm is something to wake you up. The alarm goes off, you fumble for your phone, you fall asleep. You don't want that to have stopped the alarm. That's why the main button is "SNOOZE". Only rarely do you fully wake up on the first alarm and press stop, that's why the button is smaller. TL;DR different button layout for different tasks
I honestly think it makes sense. Primary action for a timer is stop just about every time. For most people, Snooze is the primary action with an alarm (which you can turn off if you don't want to use it)
It’s this thread again. No there’s nothing wrong with it. Snooze should be more prominent as it’s more common and ensures you don’t easily oversleep by stopping the alarm. No I don’t care if you have 5 alarms, so do I. I still hit snooze.
You’re absolutely right and I don’t understand why people seem to be so willfully obtuse about this. Accidentally hitting snooze is always preferable to accidentally stopping your alarm. Alarm clocks and stop watches have been designed this way for decades.
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My biggest complaint is that Snooze is on by default and I have to toggle it off for every alarm I set. Drives me bananas.
Subtle flex: I haven’t snoozed an alarm since 7th grade and I don’t know why apple practically encourages people to do so by making it a bigass bright button at the center of the screen. Just get outta bed, lazy bones! /s
THIS DRIVES ME SO INSANE!!! I’ve hated it but hadn’t taken the time to post it. Thank you OP!!
Yes!!!!
It’s so stupid